August 4, 2025 • 30 mins
Colin is back from vacation discussing the struggles of Caleb Williams in training camp under new head coach Ben Johnson and why you can’t ignore the warning signs. He tells you why he was right about Jerry Jones and wrong about Shedeur Sanders. He also talks to 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck about Micah Parsons requesting a trade and why it might be time for the Cowboys to seriously consider making that move
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right, here we go back in the fold and
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Thanks for making us part of your day. I got
a little sun, the hair's lit a long. I look
a little shaggy today. That's okay, that's just you know,
you're out there. You're off there golfing and having fun
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and playing with the dogs and the surf. That's life.
I feel refreshed and ready to go. And Jmac, it's
I tune out when I'm on vacation. You do the
same thing. We were talking. We're both going to tune out, unplug,
hang out with family. But you are seeing now a
lot more videos come up with camp and the story
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at this time of the year. Every August is young quarterbacks.
So I want to talk about young quarterbacks and the
videos that are out there. So we're going to start
with that jmack one hour from now. Colin right, Colin wrong. Listen.
All these videos matter. All of them matter, good, bad,
and the ugly. Caleb Williams had the most notable. He's
thrown at a net. He goes oh for three and
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the last throw is so bad he misses the net
completely and then he gets kicked off. How do I
know this matters because they deleted it after a while
because it was getting so much play. There's also a
story out there where JJ McCarthy's throwing red zone picks.
End quote, he's working on his touch because everything's a fastball,
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which you'd hope guys get figured out, you know, at college.
So when a quarterback is unproven, like Caleb Williams or
like JJ McCarthy, camp matters more not just for the player,
for the staff. When you haven't shown your competency, when
you haven't shown your aptitude, a player's confidence. I mean,
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you could see on that net video that was in
Caleb's head and the coaching staff. There's a story that
JJ McCarthy is struggling in the red zone with picks. Well,
Kevin O'Connell is watching that and thinking to himself, Okay,
this is practice. Can I call stuff during games on
the road. He can't hear. I mean the advantage to
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having a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes
or a Joe Burrow. You can use the whole playbook
all over the field. All over the field. You start
throwing red zone picks in practice, you're closing parts of
the playbook. And for an offensive coach like a Kevin
O'Connell or a Ben Johnson, if they don't want to
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close any of playbook. I saw a story this weekend
where Joe Burrow actually saw the video of this. So
they got Noafan a tight end from Denver. They got
no Afan and Burrow first second practice with him up
and down the field in practice, of course it's Joe Burrow.
So that just tells Zach Taylor a couple of practices
with Noahfen we'll throw it to him at any point anywhere,
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trailing leading red zone. It doesn't matter. All this stuff matters.
What's a little nugget in one camp? Can be a
code read in another. And by the way, you can
tell when a coach isn't totally happy because they get
they get a little defensive. Like Kevin O'Connell at one
point in a press conference looked to the ceiling and went,
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the sky is not falling. He had the quip ready. Meanwhile,
last year in camp, the effusive praise for Jaden Daniels.
We said on the air, We're like, I've never heard
anything like this. It mattered what dan Quinn was seeing
last year in camp. He couldn't get his eyes off it.
They couldn't believe it. So all this stuff matters. Look
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at it this way. If you're an established quarterback, let's
say you're Gordon Ramsey and you build restaurants, it doesn't
matter what the reviewer says. You've got twenty years of
success and aptitude and competency. Gordon Ramsey's new restaurant is
not dependent on a review from the local newspaper. Okay,
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you're a new chef, you have new investors, they're not
quite sure. They don't love the feng shway of the restaurant.
The food better be really damn good, and you better
get a good write up in the Chicago Tripper of
the La Times. That can ruin a young restaurant or
a young chef. That stuff matters, and that's how I
look at quarterbacks. So Caleb Williams, he struggled in college.
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We're starting to get a drip drip drip with Caleb Williams.
So he struggled in college, and I said this, I
loved him. A little bit of hero ball could be
a little moody accuracy two gms told me, little worried
about it. They'll clean it up. Then he goes last year, Oh,
little hero ball, a lot of accuracy issues. Now we
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go to OTA's in camp drip drip rep. More accuracy issues.
Now we've got video. So all of this stuff matters,
and it matters more for young, unproven chefs, artists, quarterbacks.
It's not just your confidence, it's your staff's confidence with
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you. You can be a cornerback. Can I put him on
an island against the boundary receiver? Hey, this kid's not
quite as twitchy as we thought. He doesn't play at
corner with as much confidence. Okay, we better go zone,
we better roll over. Help. It does matter because the
expectations with the first round player in year two, Caleb
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at any position is okay. Now he's got to be elite.
I've said this, you get about five starts. I want good,
real fast. Here's Caleb.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I take pride in, you know, trying to retain it all,
every single detailer we have. And I think that's where
you know, I've been grown so far since Ben's been
Here's I retaining all the information. All of it makes
sense to me, and you know I've been able to
go out there and execute.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Okay, So I also want to talk about we're going
to stay on this theme that everything matters a little.
So I know it's the Hall of Fame game. The
Chargers just barrel rolled the Detroit Lions. But when you
watch that game, it wasn't just that the Lions lost
everything something nothing's everything. They were sloppy five turnovers yet
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didn't create any And sloppy is coaching and scheme and communication,
and it's coordinating. And what did the Lions do. They
didn't just lose two coordinators. They lost the talk of
the league at offensive coordinator, Ben Jonson and of the Bears,
and Aaron Glenn, who somehow got the Lions to a
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top ten total defense, despite the fact it was with
band aids bondo smoking mirrors because everybody was hurt. So
they lost two great coordinators. And did they do a
league wide search to replace them. No, one guy on
staff elevated him. Another guy formerly on staff, they went
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and got him. They chose comfort, That's what they chose,
comfort over the top candidate. They talked themselves into, well,
this guy knows who we are. This guy understands who
we are. And that's why I said to me, the
Lions never forget Philadelphia. And this is where Nick Sirianni
and Dan Campbell and the Eagles and the Lions are
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very similar here. So the Eagles and the Lions arguably
best two rosters in the NFC, and Sirianni and Campbell
are very coordinator dependent. They're not scheme guys like McVeagh
or Reid or Shanahan. They're not or Sean Payton. They're
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not scheme guys. So Sirianni went from being in a
Super Bowl hired the wrong coordinators next year. At the
end of the year, the Eagles roster lost six of
seven and it was at that point the first or
second best roster in the NFL. Now it's the best
along with Baltimore. So again with a Sean McVay, he
loses coordinators annually, doesn't matter. He's a scheme guy, Andy Reid,
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Sean Payton, run through coordinators doesn't matter. But a guy
like Mike Tomlin or a Pete Carroll who are culture builders,
Guys like Nick Seriani or Dan Campbell culture builders. You
picked the wrong coordinator, you get in trouble. And I've
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told buddies this for years. John Stewart, David Letterman, and
Bill Maher were stand up comedian. They're unbelievable, years and
years decades on their feet in clubs. When they host
a show, they're not as dependent on great writing. They're
better with it, but they can add live their way
to funny. Jimmy Kimmel or Stephen Colbert didn't have long
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stand up careers. They got to their hosting spot different ways.
Very very competent guys, but different ways. They're probably going
to be more dependent on a lead writer being really good. Right.
That's the same way I look at scheme coaches Andy Reid,
Kyle Shanan, Is, Sean Payton, Sean McVeigh. It doesn't matter,
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it just they can just run through coordinators. But a
lot of these guys are kind of CEO culture builders,
and not all culture builders are bad coaches. I mean,
Jimmy Johnson was his greatest strength was personnel and building
a staff. There's nothing wrong with that, but you got
to get the coordinators right if you're a scheme guy.
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So I'm just saying I don't question the lines gm
the roster Tenay Sewell, omar On Saint Brown, a Nudginson.
But when I watched that opening act, eight penalties, five turnovers,
they looked disorganized. Here's Dan Campbell on the loss first.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
One out of the gate. Uh, you know we did.
The story of the game is we turned it over
five times and uh, and then we didn't get any takeaways.
So that's that's hard, you know. Uh, just from that standpoint,
when you put your defense in that kind of position,
that's that's tough.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
No.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Offensively, like we said, it's hard to get in a
rhythm when you turn the ball over like that. We're
excited to watch some of these guys see how they did.
Grade the tape, learn from it, grow from it. That's
what it's about.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, I'll grade the tape. Let's start with a D
minus and work our way from there. That was bad,
that looked out of sorts, discombobulated. So all this stuff,
all these videos. I looked at the Caleb video. Remember,
I think Caleb's great, but I also don't think he's
Andrew Luck. I don't think he's guaranteed. I there's some
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footwork stuff that's totally valid. There's some hero ball stuff
and moodiness. Those are very fair critiques. Andrew Luck didn't
have any of those issues. And by the way, either
did John Elway. Andrew Luck and John Elway in my
lifetime are the two can't missus. Peyton Manning, by the
way I watched them in college, nervous feet, didn't have
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a huge arm, didn't throw the prettiest ball, really intense
the volunteers one and Natty after he left right like,
So there were questions about Peyton Manning. Nobody questioned his
robotic brain. He was ai pre ai like, he was
doing stuff at the line of scrimmage. Nobody else was.
But Caleb comes with some questions and they haven't been
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answered yet. So it's okay to look at video. That
net video is something his reaction that was a time
people have concerns about you, and you validate them. His
accuracy and moodiness both on that tape, both on that
it's a little too angry, throwing it a net like
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it's a little over the top. So it's just something
j MC. I hope you had a great vacation, Colin Wright,
Colin wrong in forty five minutes from now, you were
with a fam and an undisclosed location. The the other thing,
you know, I'm watching all this stuff, so I have
a take on this, the Micah part. There's two holdouts
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right now in the NFL, the Micah Parsons thing in
Dallas and the Terry McLaurin issue in Washington. And I'm
just gonna say not all holdouts are the same. One
I'll totally defend and one I will not, And I'll
talk about that next.
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All right, Colin right, Colin wrong. On Monday, here we
go Where Colin was right, Jerry Jones once again has
mangled a contract situation. I said this a couple of
years ago. With Jerry, the Cowboys are starting to feel
like the Raiders when Al Davis aged Al lost his fastball.
I think I think Jerry has lost his fastball and
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has too much power in the organization, the old saying
all hat no cattle. Jerry tells us he's a great businessman,
but he keeps getting taken to the cleaners by players
and Micah, Now, what are you gonna do? Trade him? Now?
What are you gonna do? You could have traded him
last year and gotten multiple players that could help you
now in the NFC as it strengthens as a conference.
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I don't like where Dallas is headed, and it's all
on Jerry where Colin was wrong. Well, Jimmy, I don't
know if I believe him, but Jimmy Haslam says the
Shadoor Sanders draft pick, Hey, I didn't do that. That
was all on Andrew Berry, And to that I would say,
why would you draft when you had Kenny Pickett and
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Joe Flacco? Why would you draft two more quarterbacks in
the third and fifth round? I don't get it, but
at least Jimmy Haslam is saying the right things publicly,
which is, hey, I didn't have anything to do with
a draft pick where Colin was right. Well, I won't
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beat on it too much more, but Tyreek Hill said
last week that one of the Dolphins running backs shouldn't
be a short yardage tailback. On Sunday, Mike McDaniels said, yeah,
he isn't. We worked on that. So there appears to
be a gap this offseason between Tyreek and Tua, Tyreek
and the team, and Tyreek and Mike McDaniels. And we've
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always said a lot more sizzle than actual state with
that acquisition where Colin was right JJ McCarthy, according to
Kevin Seaffert, respected reporter at ESPN, accuracy a bit of
an issue in the red zone. Jeremy Fowler, another respected reporter,
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saying they're having to work a lot on touch. Everything
is a fastball. I don't know how good JJ McCarthy is,
but I never bought into the narrative that multiple teams
were going to move up in the draft to get him.
I've heard the opposite is that there were real concerns
that JJ McCarthy had been led by a great coach,
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a great defense, a great run game in college and
never really had to lead inferior talent, which is what
happens in the NFL if you're a lottery quarterback where
Colin was raw, Yeah, I may have to temper my
Tennessee Titan predictions. They just got rid of their first
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round receiver a couple of years ago, Treylon Burks, apparently
cam Ward. Last couple of practices four picks. Cam Ward admits,
we're really right now. Very mid is what he called
his offense between Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, and Van Jefferson.
Now no Burks. It's arguably the weakest receiving core in
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the NFL. I do get two more revisions on my
NFL predictions, so I may have to scale back on
the Titans. Where Colin was right. Luca dantac Men's health
in the best shape of his career. This is what
I've said about Luca. Defense and being in great shape
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are all about wanting to do you want to be
a great defender? Do you want to be in great shape?
When did Luca get in the best shape of his
career his first year as a rookie when he wanted
to impress, and now the Lakers have new owners. This
is why I've said he's a much better version to
Carmelo Anthony. I don't worry about his game. I think
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he's gonna have an unbelievable season. Does he have the
want Lebron Kobe Michael They were great defenders because they
wanted to be great defenders. So he breaks into the NBA,
We're like, Wow, this guy's amazing and increasingly gets in
worse shape. Lakers have new owners, he has an offseason.
Now once again he's in unbelievable shape. Where Colin was wrong.
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The Indiana Fever are on a heater, all of it
without Caitlin Clark. Gotta be honest, she is a great player,
but Sophie Cunningham's been on fire hitting threes yesterday. They're
in a five game winning streak with no Caitlin Clark. So,
in fact, Kaitlin this year, between injuries and struggling, has
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not been Caitlin Clark, and Indiana still has the fifth
best record in the league. Where Colin was right. What
do you know the Celtics minority owner is buying the
Connecticut Sun for three hundred and twenty five million dollars.
I had said this two weeks ago. Yes, Merch up
one thousand percent TV ratings attendance this league, and it's
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got issues like it's officiating, like it's inability to handle
Caitlin Clark well, But is it a buy as a stock? Absolutely?
I don't care about the last twenty five years merch
TV ratings attendance all up at least one hundred percent.
It's absolutely a buye as a sports franchise. I felt
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this way five years ago about the MLS. I feel
that now, and so do one of the Boston Celtics
minority owners.
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Colin Right, Colin Wrong on a Monday, and with that,
Matt Hasselback eighteen years three Pro Bowl stopping by show.
All right, you know I said earlier, whenever your issues
in college, I can see them in the pros. I'm
a little concerned. So I thought the questions about Caleb
Williams were little hero ball accuracy could be a little
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dicey and moody. So when I see a video of
him freaking out, I see temper, I see accuracy issues.
I know I'm supposed to say it's yeah, it's just camp.
It's just thrown into a net. But those are some
of the things GM's told me they were concerned about.
So it's like, oh, I'm seeing that now in the pros.
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Should I be a little concerned about that net video?
Speaker 8 (20:41):
Matt Hasselbeck, Well, it's year two, Colin. Listen. Year one,
rookie year.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
You chuck some of those things up to a rookie situation.
Year two, you know, training camp. I think we make
a little bit of like a huge deal at a
certain thing. Sometimes things are fun, sometimes things are poudy.
You don't know the whole story, but in general last
year to this year, you've even heard Ben Johnson talk
about it. Body language at the quarterback position matters. It
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matters to your opponent, and it matters maybe just as
much to your teammates. And so the camera's always going
to be on him, like the microscope is always going.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
To be on him.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
A lot of people made a lot.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Of excuses for him last year. I think the excuses
are out the window. The focus is going to be
on him. And you know, like I've said many times,
you know your teammates get confidence or insecurity by how
you carry yourself as a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah no, you've you been on that from day one.
So I said this. There are coaches in the league
and you've probably had these. Maybe Mike Holmgren was one
of these where you get a great scheme coach that
he's a head coach, but if you put him on
the headset, he'd call a great game. And then there
are coaches that Mike Tomlins a culture builder, I would
say Dan Campbell, Nick Siriani. They build cultures. There is
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nothing wrong with that, but they are more dependent on
coordinat then, say as Sean McVay or a Sean Payton
or maybe again, maybe Holmgren was that Andy Reid's a guy.
It doesn't matter who his coordinator is. Offensively, they're fine.
Detroit loses two coordinators, including Ben Johnson, who was kind
of regarded as the hot coordinator in the market. I
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know it's the Hall of Fame game. They were a mess.
I mean, eight penalties, five turnover, They look disorganized. How
do I not look at that and go that's not great.
I watched Philadelphia miss on coordinators and lose six to
seven games off a Super Bowl year. Do I take
anything off that abysmal Hall of Fame game performance?
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Well, you touched on a bunch of things there.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Listen. Culture is super important, and just because you're a
good play caller doesn't mean you're going to be a
head coach. But I think what you're talking about is
new coordinators, two new coordinators, and that's a lot of change.
It's a bigger deal than people realize in terms of
the preseason game. Listen, it's a big deal because.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
But it's not.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
It's a big deal because we've got to get those
things fixed. But it's not a big deal because it
just comes as a wake up call right away, National TV,
everyone knows about it, and then you come together as
a staff. You know, last year, I think there were
eight new head coaches. Two of them made the playoffs.
Some of those guys got this stuff figured out. You know,
I was actually there for the Seahawks first preseason game.
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It's crazy, new head coach, new coordinators. It's crazy the
things that you don't get to cover in a training
camp situation until you get into a game situation. Where
are we doing halftime adjustments? Who's going first? Where are
we going to stand on the sidelines, Who's on what headset?
There's two lines on the headset.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Are you on line A?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Are you on line B?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
So some of those kinks got to get worked out
in the preseason. That's kind of what the preseason is for.
But yeah, I would say they got a little bit
exposed right there. It doesn't mean they can't figure it
out though.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Okay, I said not all hold out to the same.
Terry McLaurin is a third round pick, has wildly outperformed
his contract. He's been a great guy. He's been crazy
productive until last year with bad I would pay him tomorrow,
especially when you brought Deebo. I'd pay him tomorrow. Micah
first round pick, been a Pro Bowl or been excellent,
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But that's why you picked him twelve. He's got a
year left in his contract. I don't think he's been underpaid.
I think he's been paid appropriately on these two holdouts.
Do you see him as a former player as just
the same thing or are there different And I also
think it's an offensive league. I'd be more prone to
pay the offensive guy. How do you view McLaurin and
Micah's holdouts.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Well, mclaurin's tricky because he's so important, I think to
Jayden Daniels' success. I mean, Jayden Daniels was just incredible
last year. I'm such a huge fan. He was awesome.
And Terry McLaurin is like everything that you're looking for
in you know, with a veteran guy to put with
a young guy. And I think they could have a
lot of success, you know, you know, in the near future,
like years one, two, three, Like we could be a
contender every year.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
They are a contender. They can compete with Philly.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
What's unique about Dallas again another great player. Teammates love him,
you know what, He's exactly what you're looking for. Dallas,
Like they're not going to win their division, that doubt,
they're even second place in their division.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
And now you've got a real public. It just feels
different in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
So I'm very curious, you know, the Cowboys seeing Jerry
Jones seems to like be fine with this kind of conflict,
fine with this kind of drama, but he also doesn't
seem like the kind of owner that wants to get
like pushed around publicly. So you know, there's a part
of me that says, hey, this is Michael Parsons. Figure
it out, closed the door, include the agent. Then there's
another part of me that says, hey, why don't you
just punt on this year anyway? Go out and get
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like the most amazing draft package for next year and
really start focusing this team on next year, because I
really don't know that you can compete with Philly and
that you can compete really with Washington and then the
rest of the NFC.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
So you know, this one's a little bit tricky for me.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
But the gloves have come off unfortunately publicly, so it's
gotten a little ugly.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So I was talking I was golfing a couple days ago,
and I was joking with somebody. I said, whenever I
hit the ball great on the range, I know I'm
in trouble. And so it's like, I never have any
sense of how I'm going to hit going into a
round based on practice or to the range in the preseason.
What is something in your eighteen nineteen years, Matt that
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carried over, Like if you did it well in preseason,
it did carry over. And are there things that you
thought you had mastered in preseason and it meant nothing
by the opening kickoff.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah, you're absolutely right calling I think run game, you know,
I look at the Baltimore Ravens. I think they're a
great preseason team. Part of that is they're great at
the run game. That's a commitment that they have. They've
got a great culture when it comes to that. They
know how they do things. But you know, to your point,
there were teams that we would play in the preseason.
I'll use the Chicago Bears when they were great with
like Brian Rlocker and those guys. They're a zone team.
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You know, it really didn't matter who the defensive coordinator
was calling for.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
They were a zone team.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
But in the preseason they would play so much man
coverage because their scouts wanted to get a look at, Hey,
what kind of guys do we have in the second Like,
we're not going to call a lot of man coverage
in the season, but we are on purpose doing something
that puts our team at a disadvantage. We need to
know who can play man occasionally when we want to
bring a blitz and stuff like that. So there's not
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a lot of scheming up and and you know, there's
there's not always calling what you're best at. Sometimes you're
even setting up your Week one opponent. But those are
two examples of things that I think can be a
little bit of fool's gold if you're trying to evaluate
what a team's going to be when you just watch
them in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Oh, that's interesting. Finally, I want you to tell me
the difference. I always feel that a quarterback under center
when he goes back gets to watch the defense. When
it's a shotgun, you have to watch the ball, and
you lose that half a second of watching your safeties react.
So Sean Payton would like bow Knicks to be under
(27:52):
center more than last year. You tell me, is that
something you can elevate too quickly? Is their? Or for
a guy that you know, maybe Bowen Auburn and Oregon
has taken, He's taken the shotgun snaps. Tell me the transition.
How much that matters for a young quarterback like bon Nicks.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yeah, it's a real thing, And I trust Sean Payton wholeheartedly.
I think bo Nick's gonna do a great job. I
think that's a team I would buy right now.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
I mean, I love that.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Listen, Bill Walsh, Joe Montana. They love to be under center.
Almost never were they in shotgun. I actually believe it
was I forget the years, maybe like oh five maybe
for us in Seattle two thousand and five, when we
finally put the shotgun in, we got exposed, obviously or
ironically against the Chicago Bears er Locker Briggs and the
(28:40):
A gap, and we had no choice but to go shotgun.
But it is a huge advantage for the quarterback at
the snap with your hands already on the ball and
then your eyes on the free safety. Your eyes on
the free safety tell you so much.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
But just like you said, if.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
You're in shotgun and your eyes have to go down
to catch the ball first, you don't get that split
second advance of having your eyes on the secondary. Never
mind the fact the run keys that you're not giving
away when you're running back in shotgun is offset to
the right or to the left. So Sean Payton knows
what he's talking about, and he sees an opportunity. If
(29:17):
he can get his young quarterback to get comfortable under
center the way that he did with Drew Brees, then
he thinks that his offense can even take a bigger
step with run game play, action to the run and
then using their tight ending guy like Evan Ingram.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
That could be huge for them this year.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
By the way, it does appear that you're on a
coaching staff. The shirt looks very official. Are you the
head coach or the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Now, my younger brother's the head coach, which is an
interesting dynamic.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
I'm just the offensive coordinator. Today is picture day.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
They said they might wait for me for the team photo,
depending on when this hit with you is over. If not,
they said it's twenty twenty five, they can just kind
of like superimpose me in a picture. We used to
do that when Paul Allen was the owner of the Seahawks.
He would never come back from you know, vacation or whatever.
We just would like superimpose him into the team photo.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So I know it can be done. There's only one
Matt Hasselbeck. Wait for the photo, guys, great Senia, see
it go on? All right? No, it's uh the end
the I think one of the one of the things
he said that which I've touched on, is that if
you struggle, players take cues from the quarterback. His temperament,
(30:30):
his body language, I used to be very critical of
Jake Cutler. I thought he had horrible body language. He'd
go stand by himself, he'd sit there and he'd get moody.
I'm like, bro, that's that's not it. You got to
be with the fellas you got. And there's another quarterback
that does that currently in the NFL. He's an older
guy playing in Pittsburgh. I'm just not a fan of that.
I I want you part of the group. So, uh,
(30:53):
it's something body language is clearly something
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Thanks for making us part of your day. I got
a little sun, the hair's lit a long. I look
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you're out there. You're off there golfing and having fun
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and playing with the dogs and the surf. That's life.
I feel refreshed and ready to go. And Jmac, it's
I tune out when I'm on vacation. You do the
same thing. We were talking. We're both going to tune out, unplug,
hang out with family. But you are seeing now a
lot more videos come up with camp and the story
(01:11):
at this time of the year. Every August is young quarterbacks.
So I want to talk about young quarterbacks and the
videos that are out there. So we're going to start
with that jmack one hour from now. Colin right, Colin wrong. Listen.
All these videos matter. All of them matter, good, bad,
and the ugly. Caleb Williams had the most notable. He's
thrown at a net. He goes oh for three and
(01:32):
the last throw is so bad he misses the net
completely and then he gets kicked off. How do I
know this matters because they deleted it after a while
because it was getting so much play. There's also a
story out there where JJ McCarthy's throwing red zone picks.
End quote, he's working on his touch because everything's a fastball,
(01:53):
which you'd hope guys get figured out, you know, at college.
So when a quarterback is unproven, like Caleb Williams or
like JJ McCarthy, camp matters more not just for the player,
for the staff. When you haven't shown your competency, when
you haven't shown your aptitude, a player's confidence. I mean,
(02:14):
you could see on that net video that was in
Caleb's head and the coaching staff. There's a story that
JJ McCarthy is struggling in the red zone with picks. Well,
Kevin O'Connell is watching that and thinking to himself, Okay,
this is practice. Can I call stuff during games on
the road. He can't hear. I mean the advantage to
(02:37):
having a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes
or a Joe Burrow. You can use the whole playbook
all over the field. All over the field. You start
throwing red zone picks in practice, you're closing parts of
the playbook. And for an offensive coach like a Kevin
O'Connell or a Ben Johnson, if they don't want to
(02:59):
close any of playbook. I saw a story this weekend
where Joe Burrow actually saw the video of this. So
they got Noafan a tight end from Denver. They got
no Afan and Burrow first second practice with him up
and down the field in practice, of course it's Joe Burrow.
So that just tells Zach Taylor a couple of practices
with Noahfen we'll throw it to him at any point anywhere,
(03:21):
trailing leading red zone. It doesn't matter. All this stuff matters.
What's a little nugget in one camp? Can be a
code read in another. And by the way, you can
tell when a coach isn't totally happy because they get
they get a little defensive. Like Kevin O'Connell at one
point in a press conference looked to the ceiling and went,
(03:42):
the sky is not falling. He had the quip ready. Meanwhile,
last year in camp, the effusive praise for Jaden Daniels.
We said on the air, We're like, I've never heard
anything like this. It mattered what dan Quinn was seeing
last year in camp. He couldn't get his eyes off it.
They couldn't believe it. So all this stuff matters. Look
(04:04):
at it this way. If you're an established quarterback, let's
say you're Gordon Ramsey and you build restaurants, it doesn't
matter what the reviewer says. You've got twenty years of
success and aptitude and competency. Gordon Ramsey's new restaurant is
not dependent on a review from the local newspaper. Okay,
(04:25):
you're a new chef, you have new investors, they're not
quite sure. They don't love the feng shway of the restaurant.
The food better be really damn good, and you better
get a good write up in the Chicago Tripper of
the La Times. That can ruin a young restaurant or
a young chef. That stuff matters, and that's how I
look at quarterbacks. So Caleb Williams, he struggled in college.
(04:48):
We're starting to get a drip drip drip with Caleb Williams.
So he struggled in college, and I said this, I
loved him. A little bit of hero ball could be
a little moody accuracy two gms told me, little worried
about it. They'll clean it up. Then he goes last year, Oh,
little hero ball, a lot of accuracy issues. Now we
(05:08):
go to OTA's in camp drip drip rep. More accuracy issues.
Now we've got video. So all of this stuff matters,
and it matters more for young, unproven chefs, artists, quarterbacks.
It's not just your confidence, it's your staff's confidence with
(05:30):
you. You can be a cornerback. Can I put him on
an island against the boundary receiver? Hey, this kid's not
quite as twitchy as we thought. He doesn't play at
corner with as much confidence. Okay, we better go zone,
we better roll over. Help. It does matter because the
expectations with the first round player in year two, Caleb
(05:51):
at any position is okay. Now he's got to be elite.
I've said this, you get about five starts. I want good,
real fast. Here's Caleb.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I take pride in, you know, trying to retain it all,
every single detailer we have. And I think that's where
you know, I've been grown so far since Ben's been
Here's I retaining all the information. All of it makes
sense to me, and you know I've been able to
go out there and execute.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Okay, So I also want to talk about we're going
to stay on this theme that everything matters a little.
So I know it's the Hall of Fame game. The
Chargers just barrel rolled the Detroit Lions. But when you
watch that game, it wasn't just that the Lions lost
everything something nothing's everything. They were sloppy five turnovers yet
(06:43):
didn't create any And sloppy is coaching and scheme and communication,
and it's coordinating. And what did the Lions do. They
didn't just lose two coordinators. They lost the talk of
the league at offensive coordinator, Ben Jonson and of the Bears,
and Aaron Glenn, who somehow got the Lions to a
(07:05):
top ten total defense, despite the fact it was with
band aids bondo smoking mirrors because everybody was hurt. So
they lost two great coordinators. And did they do a
league wide search to replace them. No, one guy on
staff elevated him. Another guy formerly on staff, they went
(07:27):
and got him. They chose comfort, That's what they chose,
comfort over the top candidate. They talked themselves into, well,
this guy knows who we are. This guy understands who
we are. And that's why I said to me, the
Lions never forget Philadelphia. And this is where Nick Sirianni
and Dan Campbell and the Eagles and the Lions are
(07:49):
very similar here. So the Eagles and the Lions arguably
best two rosters in the NFC, and Sirianni and Campbell
are very coordinator dependent. They're not scheme guys like McVeagh
or Reid or Shanahan. They're not or Sean Payton. They're
(08:09):
not scheme guys. So Sirianni went from being in a
Super Bowl hired the wrong coordinators next year. At the
end of the year, the Eagles roster lost six of
seven and it was at that point the first or
second best roster in the NFL. Now it's the best
along with Baltimore. So again with a Sean McVay, he
loses coordinators annually, doesn't matter. He's a scheme guy, Andy Reid,
(08:33):
Sean Payton, run through coordinators doesn't matter. But a guy
like Mike Tomlin or a Pete Carroll who are culture builders,
Guys like Nick Seriani or Dan Campbell culture builders. You
picked the wrong coordinator, you get in trouble. And I've
(08:53):
told buddies this for years. John Stewart, David Letterman, and
Bill Maher were stand up comedian. They're unbelievable, years and
years decades on their feet in clubs. When they host
a show, they're not as dependent on great writing. They're
better with it, but they can add live their way
to funny. Jimmy Kimmel or Stephen Colbert didn't have long
(09:14):
stand up careers. They got to their hosting spot different ways.
Very very competent guys, but different ways. They're probably going
to be more dependent on a lead writer being really good. Right.
That's the same way I look at scheme coaches Andy Reid,
Kyle Shanan, Is, Sean Payton, Sean McVeigh. It doesn't matter,
(09:34):
it just they can just run through coordinators. But a
lot of these guys are kind of CEO culture builders,
and not all culture builders are bad coaches. I mean,
Jimmy Johnson was his greatest strength was personnel and building
a staff. There's nothing wrong with that, but you got
to get the coordinators right if you're a scheme guy.
(09:55):
So I'm just saying I don't question the lines gm
the roster Tenay Sewell, omar On Saint Brown, a Nudginson.
But when I watched that opening act, eight penalties, five turnovers,
they looked disorganized. Here's Dan Campbell on the loss first.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
One out of the gate. Uh, you know we did.
The story of the game is we turned it over
five times and uh, and then we didn't get any takeaways.
So that's that's hard, you know. Uh, just from that standpoint,
when you put your defense in that kind of position,
that's that's tough.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
No.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Offensively, like we said, it's hard to get in a
rhythm when you turn the ball over like that. We're
excited to watch some of these guys see how they did.
Grade the tape, learn from it, grow from it. That's
what it's about.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, I'll grade the tape. Let's start with a D
minus and work our way from there. That was bad,
that looked out of sorts, discombobulated. So all this stuff,
all these videos. I looked at the Caleb video. Remember,
I think Caleb's great, but I also don't think he's
Andrew Luck. I don't think he's guaranteed. I there's some
(11:07):
footwork stuff that's totally valid. There's some hero ball stuff
and moodiness. Those are very fair critiques. Andrew Luck didn't
have any of those issues. And by the way, either
did John Elway. Andrew Luck and John Elway in my
lifetime are the two can't missus. Peyton Manning, by the
way I watched them in college, nervous feet, didn't have
(11:30):
a huge arm, didn't throw the prettiest ball, really intense
the volunteers one and Natty after he left right like,
So there were questions about Peyton Manning. Nobody questioned his
robotic brain. He was ai pre ai like, he was
doing stuff at the line of scrimmage. Nobody else was.
But Caleb comes with some questions and they haven't been
(11:52):
answered yet. So it's okay to look at video. That
net video is something his reaction that was a time
people have concerns about you, and you validate them. His
accuracy and moodiness both on that tape, both on that
it's a little too angry, throwing it a net like
(12:12):
it's a little over the top. So it's just something
j MC. I hope you had a great vacation, Colin Wright,
Colin wrong in forty five minutes from now, you were
with a fam and an undisclosed location. The the other thing,
you know, I'm watching all this stuff, so I have
a take on this, the Micah part. There's two holdouts
(12:33):
right now in the NFL, the Micah Parsons thing in
Dallas and the Terry McLaurin issue in Washington. And I'm
just gonna say not all holdouts are the same. One
I'll totally defend and one I will not, And I'll
talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (14:04):
All right, Colin right, Colin wrong. On Monday, here we
go Where Colin was right, Jerry Jones once again has
mangled a contract situation. I said this a couple of
years ago. With Jerry, the Cowboys are starting to feel
like the Raiders when Al Davis aged Al lost his fastball.
I think I think Jerry has lost his fastball and
(14:27):
has too much power in the organization, the old saying
all hat no cattle. Jerry tells us he's a great businessman,
but he keeps getting taken to the cleaners by players
and Micah, Now, what are you gonna do? Trade him? Now?
What are you gonna do? You could have traded him
last year and gotten multiple players that could help you
now in the NFC as it strengthens as a conference.
(14:50):
I don't like where Dallas is headed, and it's all
on Jerry where Colin was wrong. Well, Jimmy, I don't
know if I believe him, but Jimmy Haslam says the
Shadoor Sanders draft pick, Hey, I didn't do that. That
was all on Andrew Berry, And to that I would say,
why would you draft when you had Kenny Pickett and
(15:12):
Joe Flacco? Why would you draft two more quarterbacks in
the third and fifth round? I don't get it, but
at least Jimmy Haslam is saying the right things publicly,
which is, hey, I didn't have anything to do with
a draft pick where Colin was right. Well, I won't
(15:32):
beat on it too much more, but Tyreek Hill said
last week that one of the Dolphins running backs shouldn't
be a short yardage tailback. On Sunday, Mike McDaniels said, yeah,
he isn't. We worked on that. So there appears to
be a gap this offseason between Tyreek and Tua, Tyreek
and the team, and Tyreek and Mike McDaniels. And we've
(15:53):
always said a lot more sizzle than actual state with
that acquisition where Colin was right JJ McCarthy, according to
Kevin Seaffert, respected reporter at ESPN, accuracy a bit of
an issue in the red zone. Jeremy Fowler, another respected reporter,
(16:14):
saying they're having to work a lot on touch. Everything
is a fastball. I don't know how good JJ McCarthy is,
but I never bought into the narrative that multiple teams
were going to move up in the draft to get him.
I've heard the opposite is that there were real concerns
that JJ McCarthy had been led by a great coach,
(16:35):
a great defense, a great run game in college and
never really had to lead inferior talent, which is what
happens in the NFL if you're a lottery quarterback where
Colin was raw, Yeah, I may have to temper my
Tennessee Titan predictions. They just got rid of their first
(16:57):
round receiver a couple of years ago, Treylon Burks, apparently
cam Ward. Last couple of practices four picks. Cam Ward admits,
we're really right now. Very mid is what he called
his offense between Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, and Van Jefferson.
Now no Burks. It's arguably the weakest receiving core in
(17:20):
the NFL. I do get two more revisions on my
NFL predictions, so I may have to scale back on
the Titans. Where Colin was right. Luca dantac Men's health
in the best shape of his career. This is what
I've said about Luca. Defense and being in great shape
(17:40):
are all about wanting to do you want to be
a great defender? Do you want to be in great shape?
When did Luca get in the best shape of his
career his first year as a rookie when he wanted
to impress, and now the Lakers have new owners. This
is why I've said he's a much better version to
Carmelo Anthony. I don't worry about his game. I think
(18:00):
he's gonna have an unbelievable season. Does he have the
want Lebron Kobe Michael They were great defenders because they
wanted to be great defenders. So he breaks into the NBA,
We're like, Wow, this guy's amazing and increasingly gets in
worse shape. Lakers have new owners, he has an offseason.
Now once again he's in unbelievable shape. Where Colin was wrong.
(18:26):
The Indiana Fever are on a heater, all of it
without Caitlin Clark. Gotta be honest, she is a great player,
but Sophie Cunningham's been on fire hitting threes yesterday. They're
in a five game winning streak with no Caitlin Clark. So,
in fact, Kaitlin this year, between injuries and struggling, has
(18:48):
not been Caitlin Clark, and Indiana still has the fifth
best record in the league. Where Colin was right. What
do you know the Celtics minority owner is buying the
Connecticut Sun for three hundred and twenty five million dollars.
I had said this two weeks ago. Yes, Merch up
one thousand percent TV ratings attendance this league, and it's
(19:12):
got issues like it's officiating, like it's inability to handle
Caitlin Clark well, But is it a buy as a stock? Absolutely?
I don't care about the last twenty five years merch
TV ratings attendance all up at least one hundred percent.
It's absolutely a buye as a sports franchise. I felt
(19:36):
this way five years ago about the MLS. I feel
that now, and so do one of the Boston Celtics
minority owners.
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Speaker 1 (19:53):
Colin Right, Colin Wrong on a Monday, and with that,
Matt Hasselback eighteen years three Pro Bowl stopping by show.
All right, you know I said earlier, whenever your issues
in college, I can see them in the pros. I'm
a little concerned. So I thought the questions about Caleb
Williams were little hero ball accuracy could be a little
(20:16):
dicey and moody. So when I see a video of
him freaking out, I see temper, I see accuracy issues.
I know I'm supposed to say it's yeah, it's just camp.
It's just thrown into a net. But those are some
of the things GM's told me they were concerned about.
So it's like, oh, I'm seeing that now in the pros.
(20:38):
Should I be a little concerned about that net video?
Speaker 8 (20:41):
Matt Hasselbeck, Well, it's year two, Colin. Listen. Year one,
rookie year.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
You chuck some of those things up to a rookie situation.
Year two, you know, training camp. I think we make
a little bit of like a huge deal at a
certain thing. Sometimes things are fun, sometimes things are poudy.
You don't know the whole story, but in general last
year to this year, you've even heard Ben Johnson talk
about it. Body language at the quarterback position matters. It
(21:07):
matters to your opponent, and it matters maybe just as
much to your teammates. And so the camera's always going
to be on him, like the microscope is always going.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
To be on him.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
A lot of people made a lot.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Of excuses for him last year. I think the excuses
are out the window. The focus is going to be
on him. And you know, like I've said many times,
you know your teammates get confidence or insecurity by how
you carry yourself as a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah no, you've you been on that from day one.
So I said this. There are coaches in the league
and you've probably had these. Maybe Mike Holmgren was one
of these where you get a great scheme coach that
he's a head coach, but if you put him on
the headset, he'd call a great game. And then there
are coaches that Mike Tomlins a culture builder, I would
say Dan Campbell, Nick Siriani. They build cultures. There is
(21:55):
nothing wrong with that, but they are more dependent on
coordinat then, say as Sean McVay or a Sean Payton
or maybe again, maybe Holmgren was that Andy Reid's a guy.
It doesn't matter who his coordinator is. Offensively, they're fine.
Detroit loses two coordinators, including Ben Johnson, who was kind
of regarded as the hot coordinator in the market. I
(22:16):
know it's the Hall of Fame game. They were a mess.
I mean, eight penalties, five turnover, They look disorganized. How
do I not look at that and go that's not great.
I watched Philadelphia miss on coordinators and lose six to
seven games off a Super Bowl year. Do I take
anything off that abysmal Hall of Fame game performance?
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Well, you touched on a bunch of things there.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Listen. Culture is super important, and just because you're a
good play caller doesn't mean you're going to be a
head coach. But I think what you're talking about is
new coordinators, two new coordinators, and that's a lot of change.
It's a bigger deal than people realize in terms of
the preseason game. Listen, it's a big deal because.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
But it's not.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
It's a big deal because we've got to get those
things fixed. But it's not a big deal because it
just comes as a wake up call right away, National TV,
everyone knows about it, and then you come together as
a staff. You know, last year, I think there were
eight new head coaches. Two of them made the playoffs.
Some of those guys got this stuff figured out. You know,
I was actually there for the Seahawks first preseason game.
(23:18):
It's crazy, new head coach, new coordinators. It's crazy the
things that you don't get to cover in a training
camp situation until you get into a game situation. Where
are we doing halftime adjustments? Who's going first? Where are
we going to stand on the sidelines, Who's on what headset?
There's two lines on the headset.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Are you on line A?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Are you on line B?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
So some of those kinks got to get worked out
in the preseason. That's kind of what the preseason is for.
But yeah, I would say they got a little bit
exposed right there. It doesn't mean they can't figure it
out though.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Okay, I said not all hold out to the same.
Terry McLaurin is a third round pick, has wildly outperformed
his contract. He's been a great guy. He's been crazy
productive until last year with bad I would pay him tomorrow,
especially when you brought Deebo. I'd pay him tomorrow. Micah
first round pick, been a Pro Bowl or been excellent,
(24:08):
But that's why you picked him twelve. He's got a
year left in his contract. I don't think he's been underpaid.
I think he's been paid appropriately on these two holdouts.
Do you see him as a former player as just
the same thing or are there different And I also
think it's an offensive league. I'd be more prone to
pay the offensive guy. How do you view McLaurin and
Micah's holdouts.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Well, mclaurin's tricky because he's so important, I think to
Jayden Daniels' success. I mean, Jayden Daniels was just incredible
last year. I'm such a huge fan. He was awesome.
And Terry McLaurin is like everything that you're looking for
in you know, with a veteran guy to put with
a young guy. And I think they could have a
lot of success, you know, you know, in the near future,
like years one, two, three, Like we could be a
contender every year.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
They are a contender. They can compete with Philly.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
What's unique about Dallas again another great player. Teammates love him,
you know what, He's exactly what you're looking for. Dallas,
Like they're not going to win their division, that doubt,
they're even second place in their division.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
And now you've got a real public. It just feels
different in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
So I'm very curious, you know, the Cowboys seeing Jerry
Jones seems to like be fine with this kind of conflict,
fine with this kind of drama, but he also doesn't
seem like the kind of owner that wants to get
like pushed around publicly. So you know, there's a part
of me that says, hey, this is Michael Parsons. Figure
it out, closed the door, include the agent. Then there's
another part of me that says, hey, why don't you
just punt on this year anyway? Go out and get
(25:29):
like the most amazing draft package for next year and
really start focusing this team on next year, because I
really don't know that you can compete with Philly and
that you can compete really with Washington and then the
rest of the NFC.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
So you know, this one's a little bit tricky for me.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
But the gloves have come off unfortunately publicly, so it's
gotten a little ugly.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So I was talking I was golfing a couple days ago,
and I was joking with somebody. I said, whenever I
hit the ball great on the range, I know I'm
in trouble. And so it's like, I never have any
sense of how I'm going to hit going into a
round based on practice or to the range in the preseason.
What is something in your eighteen nineteen years, Matt that
(26:13):
carried over, Like if you did it well in preseason,
it did carry over. And are there things that you
thought you had mastered in preseason and it meant nothing
by the opening kickoff.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah, you're absolutely right calling I think run game, you know,
I look at the Baltimore Ravens. I think they're a
great preseason team. Part of that is they're great at
the run game. That's a commitment that they have. They've
got a great culture when it comes to that. They
know how they do things. But you know, to your point,
there were teams that we would play in the preseason.
I'll use the Chicago Bears when they were great with
like Brian Rlocker and those guys. They're a zone team.
(26:46):
You know, it really didn't matter who the defensive coordinator
was calling for.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
They were a zone team.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
But in the preseason they would play so much man
coverage because their scouts wanted to get a look at, Hey,
what kind of guys do we have in the second Like,
we're not going to call a lot of man coverage
in the season, but we are on purpose doing something
that puts our team at a disadvantage. We need to
know who can play man occasionally when we want to
bring a blitz and stuff like that. So there's not
(27:13):
a lot of scheming up and and you know, there's
there's not always calling what you're best at. Sometimes you're
even setting up your Week one opponent. But those are
two examples of things that I think can be a
little bit of fool's gold if you're trying to evaluate
what a team's going to be when you just watch
them in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Oh, that's interesting. Finally, I want you to tell me
the difference. I always feel that a quarterback under center
when he goes back gets to watch the defense. When
it's a shotgun, you have to watch the ball, and
you lose that half a second of watching your safeties react.
So Sean Payton would like bow Knicks to be under
(27:52):
center more than last year. You tell me, is that
something you can elevate too quickly? Is their? Or for
a guy that you know, maybe Bowen Auburn and Oregon
has taken, He's taken the shotgun snaps. Tell me the transition.
How much that matters for a young quarterback like bon Nicks.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yeah, it's a real thing, And I trust Sean Payton wholeheartedly.
I think bo Nick's gonna do a great job. I
think that's a team I would buy right now.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
I mean, I love that.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Listen, Bill Walsh, Joe Montana. They love to be under center.
Almost never were they in shotgun. I actually believe it
was I forget the years, maybe like oh five maybe
for us in Seattle two thousand and five, when we
finally put the shotgun in, we got exposed, obviously or
ironically against the Chicago Bears er Locker Briggs and the
(28:40):
A gap, and we had no choice but to go shotgun.
But it is a huge advantage for the quarterback at
the snap with your hands already on the ball and
then your eyes on the free safety. Your eyes on
the free safety tell you so much.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
But just like you said, if.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
You're in shotgun and your eyes have to go down
to catch the ball first, you don't get that split
second advance of having your eyes on the secondary. Never
mind the fact the run keys that you're not giving
away when you're running back in shotgun is offset to
the right or to the left. So Sean Payton knows
what he's talking about, and he sees an opportunity. If
(29:17):
he can get his young quarterback to get comfortable under
center the way that he did with Drew Brees, then
he thinks that his offense can even take a bigger
step with run game play, action to the run and
then using their tight ending guy like Evan Ingram.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
That could be huge for them this year.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
By the way, it does appear that you're on a
coaching staff. The shirt looks very official. Are you the
head coach or the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Now, my younger brother's the head coach, which is an
interesting dynamic.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
I'm just the offensive coordinator. Today is picture day.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
They said they might wait for me for the team photo,
depending on when this hit with you is over. If not,
they said it's twenty twenty five, they can just kind
of like superimpose me in a picture. We used to
do that when Paul Allen was the owner of the Seahawks.
He would never come back from you know, vacation or whatever.
We just would like superimpose him into the team photo.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So I know it can be done. There's only one
Matt Hasselbeck. Wait for the photo, guys, great Senia, see
it go on? All right? No, it's uh the end
the I think one of the one of the things
he said that which I've touched on, is that if
you struggle, players take cues from the quarterback. His temperament,
(30:30):
his body language, I used to be very critical of
Jake Cutler. I thought he had horrible body language. He'd
go stand by himself, he'd sit there and he'd get moody.
I'm like, bro, that's that's not it. You got to
be with the fellas you got. And there's another quarterback
that does that currently in the NFL. He's an older
guy playing in Pittsburgh. I'm just not a fan of that.
I I want you part of the group. So, uh,
(30:53):
it's something body language is clearly something
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