August 8, 2025 • 40 mins
Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin with the latest on Micah Parsons’ contract hold out and why we know exactly how this story will end. He explains why Shedeur Sanders fell in the draft and what we should expect from his NFL preseason debut. Plus, he talks to college football analyst Josh Pate about Arch Manning and why he is likely to pass on the NFL and remain at Texas beyond this season
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Thanks so much. I'm Dog Gottley killing in for Colin Cowherd,
and for the next couple of hours, I want to
talk sports with you. It's a Friday, and I don't
know how to say this, so I get excited. It's
a football freight. We had NFL teams with Joe Burrow
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starting a quarterback for the Symphony Bengals last night. Right,
we had NFL teams playing NFL preseason games and actually
playing some of their guys last night. We'll have some
of that tonight. So and by the end of the weekend,
every team will have had a preseason game and we
can make all of our predictions and assessments based upon
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we don't really know right one's playing against fours and whatever.
And while either Crown Shador Sanders the starter and franchise
quarterback with the Cleveland Browns, or we're gonna say he's
a bomb any stinks by the end of the weekend
and it may not actually matter to how he plays.
That's preseason football. That's football. Mark Dominic, who's the former
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gentlem manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. He'll join us up
coming in fifteen minutes. This is a weird way of
presenting this story, but I do think it's the only
way of presenting this story is and I understand it's
a huntredictory way of talking about it, but it's the
way in which I do feel like we should all
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talk about it, which is, I don't care about Michael Parsons.
Not that I don't care about him as a person
might care about him as a person's fairly limited. Let's
just kind of be honest. We're not friends. Doesn't mean
we're enemies, but I don't actually care. He's a great
football player, seems to be a bright enough guy, and
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who am I as a head basketball coach in Division
one and also a radio show host on the Doug
Otleb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Who am I to
be critical of him having a podcast, but I don't
think the podcast is the best idea for him, mostly
because at his age, he still has what I would
call it's not that his opinions aren't developed, but partly
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they're not really developed. Also, just doesn't have like when
you're in your mid twenties, there's a lot you don't know,
especially when you grew up. It's not like you grew
up nerd studying every other sport and every other thing.
So when he's talking about football, he knows a lot.
When he's talking about other stuff, you know, I know
very much. And all he knows is during his lifespan, right,
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which may be interesting to you. But there's so many
pitfalls in talking about your team and talking about the Cowboys,
especially when you're going through struggles. It may not be
that smart. But this is not like a personal shot
at Michael Parsons. I don't care a ton because he's
going to be a cowboy. There's this we do this thing.
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We do this dance, not just with the Cowboys. We
do this dance every year. We're like, wow, you know
he could be a free agent at the end of
the year. Huh, did we not review how the contracts
the rookie contracts are structured in the NFL, and as
a high first round pick, this is year five where
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the year five option is a big payday, again in
comparison to the rest of the contract. And though there
doesn't appear to be any contract beyond this year, the
fact is that all the Cowboys have to do is
slap on the franchise tag, which they will do if
there's no contract agreed to at the end of the year,
and he has basically one choice that's to play for
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the two choices negotiate a long term extension with the
Cowboys or play for the Cowboys as a franchise tag
e which is a big number, but it doesn't have
long term benefits for either side, and like, well, we'll
be the long term benefits for a football team be
well it it gives them cost certainty and it also
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helps them with the luxury tax where it's not with
luxury tacks with the with the UH with the salary
cap where they can't manipulate it and do some signing
bonus and push them away, and that's the benefit. So
it is, it's mutually beneficial, it's mutually uh punit. But
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the one thing I can tell you is that if
the Cowboys choose to not negotiate at all with Michael
Parsons for the next three seasons, he's a Dallas Cowboy
after this year. You're like, what, yeah, And most football
fans sitting there going like, I know this, Scottlieb I
tuned into here. Cowherd. Cowherd's not there. He's in Chicago
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or Rhode Island or parts unknown that he will probably
tweet about later on today. And oh, yeah, by the way,
you're telling me something I already knew. But again, you
have to reiterate it. He is under contract and he's
not a free agent at the end of the year.
At the Cowboys don't want him to be a free agent.
There's no reason for them to want him to be
a free agent. And then you factor in it's a
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Dallas Cowboy, it's Cowboys, and it's it's did you guys
ever get caught up in the law and order? And
some people did a special victims unit. Everybod had a
law and Order. What I loved about the law and
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Orders was that it's just kind of self contained. There's
no long ongoing storyline for the most part. What I
disliked about the Law and Orders. At some point you
kind of know who it is, and they do come
up with new and clever ways in which to point
out the who actually done it. You know, the storylines
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are kind of the I'm based upon a true story,
but it ends up coming to be where you're like, yeah,
you figure it out about three quarters the way in
how many years have we done this? Just last year?
Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb, Zach Martin. I mean you can
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go to Ezekiel Elliott in that year and then you
know Zeke who this is. It's like classic Dallas Cowboys playbook.
And Jerry always gives in Jerry's gonna pay a bunch
of money. Jerry thinks they had a deal done. My
guess is that they had a deal done, and then
the agent, David Willgetta, is like, wait, he did a
deal without me, eh, and so he wants, you know,
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more money is some sort of punishment. They're like, we
agreed to a term, We're good. It eventually get done.
He's not even holding out, nor is he gonna hold
out because he doesn't want to get fined and he
doesn't want to lose this payday or this year. He's
not sitting at not threatening to sit out. He simply's like,
I want to be traded. Sure, Now, could the Cowboys
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trade him? Yeah? I mean you could sit there and go, hey,
we're not particularly good with or without him, so why
not trade him for a couple of two first round
picks and then be done with it and move on.
They could do that. I just don't think they will.
Drafted Mike Comparsons. They like Mike Caparsons. He works there,
he's been you know, last year was a different defensive
system than previously and it took some adjustment and they're
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not great. But he's gonna be a Cowboy. And the
only reason he wouldn't be a Cowboys if the Cowboys
decided he don't need to be a Cowboy anymore, and
they're clearly not at that point, Otherwise they wouldn't have
negotiated a deal. So I have talked for seven minutes
and three seconds on a topic that you do feel
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compelled to circle back to Dallas Cowboys, Micah Parson's star
player and the hold in and the story I'm going
to tell you, or my perception of it, is he's
going to be a cowboy. He's going to sign a
long term extension. And I feel like we keep getting
roped into the same storyline year after year, time after time.
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It's tiresome, made even worse by the fact that we
get this fake Oh, he could be he's a free
agent at the end of the year. When he's not
a free agent means you free, means you contracts up,
go ever you up, and he will not be a
It could be you can go restricted free agent right
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or he's under club control until otherwise it's not a
free agent that deal. And and just so you know,
I don't know why people know this. Media deals are
much the same most media deals. When you sign on
with a media company, even though your contract is up,
they do have right a first refusal. They can match anything,
and they can keep you under contract at that at
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that price if you go somewhere else, really unless they
release you and allow you out of it. And a
lot of people, a lot a lot of people I
know in the business world have that, you know, non
compete clauses or whatever. But for football, this is not
like the NBA, where your contract is up and you're done.
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There's no it's not a player option, it's not a
team option. I guess you could call it a team
option and a team option at franchise tag. But then
you can still negotiate a long term deal during any
one of those years. But don't get it twisted. You
have a tremendous player who's still not in his prime,
who's under contract this year and realistically under contract for
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the next three years after this year. If the Cowboys
don't want to negotiate at all, he's not holding out,
he's in. He's doing the I got a back injury
so he doesn't get fined. They came to some sort
of agreement that then the agent lost his mind because
he wasn't involved in the negotiation rightfully. So and by
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the end of I don't know next two weeks, Michael
Parsons will be playing for the Cowboys. It's not a
nothing burger. But I've seen this movie. I know how
it ends. I seen this movie. I know how it ends.
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Here's Jerry Jones this week on the Parsons negotiations.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Bomb think the world of Micah. Like I've said, I've
had a lot us had social time with Michael, which
isn't always the case, but I have. He's one of
the brightest people I've ever been around, and he's very.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Very talented.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Now, how we ultimately mail him in with our future
is a challenge and I'm built for it and he's
built for it. We have continual contract negotiations going on.
I know you have Mike at front of mine, but
we're continually working on contracts when all clubs are, and
so I don't necessarily put a big read letter beside
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any time that we've completed contract negotiations, but I'm appreciative
when we do so. But it's really business as usually.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So if it's business as usual, what are we actually doing?
Wise and done? Coming up next in the Herd, I'm
Doug Gottlie Pavilion for Colin. Is the Parsons deal inevitable?
And I don't know if you guys saw Anthony Richardson
just located a pinky last night didn't play particularly well well.
Ask Mark Dominic is into time for the Colts to
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For the next two hours I want to talk sports
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Speaker 3 (13:19):
They might have been working on Facebook maybe maybe, I mean,
did you guys see Paul Skins yesterday? Did anybody follow
this Paul Skans who is the number one overall pick
two years ago for the Pirates who stink first time? Okay,
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and I think forty seven starts hit allowed seven hits.
You're like, wow, still shout out the reds, still shout
out the threads. He is so good. Like the juxtaposition
of how how good Schemes is and how bad the
Pirates are is real. They were remarkable. It's can you imagine? Yeah?
(14:07):
I can. Actually I remember Michael Jordan when he first
came to the Bulls. You know, it's like, that doesn't
mean he's Michael Jordan. It's the now. You have people
who look back and they were like, Jordan didn't win
anything without Scotty Pippen. Okay, either state that you were
alive when Jordan dominated the NBA and you choose to
(14:30):
change what it was actually like, or you weren't alive,
you didn't know, and so you're just repeating what stupid
people say. Because Scottie Pippen played when they kept getting
beat by the Pistons and they would punk Michael Jordan.
The would punk Scotty Pippen. He had a migraine. Scotty
was a great number two, really good, really good player.
(14:52):
Let let Let's not act like it's not like he
was anywhere near the stratosphere of a Michael Jordan, you know,
not close. Yeah, Jordan had to evolve, learn to pass
putting a different offense when the double teams has come,
learned to trust this team. In part of it was
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teams weren't very good and then they grew and got better.
But people say dumb stuff all the time, and you know,
you could say, like, well, Paul Skians are all what baseball?
Baseball somehow is the only sport which you can be
awesome and your team be stinky, And people are like, eh,
I know I do have a Paul Skiings thing to
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get to a little bit a little bit later on
the show. Let's let let's start with Shadoor Sanders, who
is going to get the start for the Browns in
their preseason opener tonight. Here's Kevin Stefanski's head coach on Shador.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
My expectations for Shador are no different than the rest
of the guys, but expect them to go operate. When
you get in these preseason games, you try to keep
it very simple so that guys can play fast off
concepts that our players know and can kind of not
think too much and just play ball.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah, and just playball. Now. The sale of Shador Sanders
is that this is what his entire career was built upon, right,
or built in readiness for He trained with Tom Brady,
he started at Jackson State and kind of built up.
So he has the volume of reps four years as
a starter, two years in one double A and two
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years in the Big twelve or one year in the
pack of one year in the Big twelve. And he's
got a lot of starts under his belt, and he's
studied with the best, and so he's ready and so
none of this stuff is hard for him. But I
just there is no middle, right because the likelihood is
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you'll watch him night be like, oh, there's some good
because he's not terrible, and there's some things like, yeah,
you got to clean it up. He's not a great athlete,
but he's not a bad athlete.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Uh, he's got really good touch, very accurate. Not really
it doesn't really have a laser outside the numbers, but
there's there's there's a lot there and there's some stuff
missing and maybe it gets exposed tonight. Maybe it doesn't,
but it will. I mean we all know how this works.
It will be all or nothing. It will be the
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Browns need to just drop everything and start Shadoor Sanders
or this is a joke. His dad, you know, pushed
him to a level above his level of competency. Why
are we talking about the first round? It's a big
night for Mel Kiper Junior. Not gonna lie to you,
like Mel almost put down his entire like reputation are
like what is going on? Which, by the way, just
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shows I love Mel. Mel is always a gentleman to
work with. But a lot of the people that he
used to have an in with in the NFL, they've
they've aged out. And anyone who's been in the NFL
now knows that Door Sanders was a clown in the interviews.
Now what what does that matter? Well, no one else
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was a clown. All right, job interview, You're gonna clown
job interview. So and it's not like he's the perfect prospect.
He's not bad, but let's not act like he's Josh Allen.
And even Josh Allen, who was flawed coming out of college,
didn't act or behave the way that Shorr Sanders is
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reported to have act. But this is. We were told, Hey,
he's trained with Brady, his mental game is far ahead
of everybody else. He's playing the preseason. He's not gonna
see a bunch of exotic stuff. And he's a gamer.
He just clutch. It's legendary. Okay to anyone who says
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are they're they're setting him up for a failure. Okay,
do you think you have a better chance of succeeding
in the NFL in a preseason game playing with because
I don't think he'll play with many starters, but playing
with ones and twos or playing with threes and fours
and fives. What do you think? Right, there's a reason
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that the end of the end of preseason games can
just look raggedy because you have dudes that aren't going
to be in the NFL this year. Who would you
rather have blocking for him? The second string left tackle
or the fourth string left tackle? Don't believe me. Here's
Mark Dominic, former general manager in the in the NFL
with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I asked him last hour
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about the what's the chances that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
want to see him? Excuse me that the Cleveland Browns.
Mark was the general manager of the tamp Bay Buccaneers
that the Cleveland Browns want to see Chador fail.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
No one such a guy have to fail. I mean
there's internally as an organization, the last thing you're ever
going to do is like, I can't wait to get
this guy out there. Three he falls on his face.
It's like no one thinks that way, especially with the
draft pick. And I know shaduor Sanders and or like,
oh this is you know, look, they already drafted a
quarterback and they trade it up to make sure they
got the next quarterback. They want him to be successful desperately.
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The problem is what you said that there's been a
lot of injuries and he's found a way to get
healthier faster than all the other guys. And you know,
there's a great opportunity. You know, it doesn't you know,
there's no way anyone in Cleveland and that organization is like,
let's put Shadoor out there so he looks terrible when
he fails. No one's thinking that.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Agreed, agreed, Now what does success and what does failure
look like? Right? Like he'll be able to be under
center and throw a football. This is a lot like
the discussion with so many guys. Well, I can't throll
the deep ball. Well, it doesn't mean you can't throw
the ball deep down the field, but can you throw
a deep out? You know, can you be on the
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move and throw something where it's not a hospital ball
where you're gonna get your guy put in the hospital
and forgive me, you know, dog pound since nineteen sixty
nine on Twitter. But what Kevin Stefanski thinks is what's
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really important. So I am, I'm interested, And he said,
we wanted to play fast. We don't want to think much.
We're gonna do simple stuff. Just be simple. The other
thing about being a starter is easier to script plays scriptum.
So you come in, get right after him. You're gonna
look better than you probably are. I have no idea
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if Sheet or Sanders is a starting caliber quarterback in
the NFL. Neither do you, you know, because we could
sit there and go, hey, well you know this level
of completion percentage. Yeah, but a lot of it was
dinking up or throwing to the best player in college football.
They did have an outstanding wide receiving core. He holds
on the ball a little bit long, and it was made.
It was as exacerbated by the fact that he had
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a poorous offensive line. But let's not act like we're
sitting there breaking down film and see the All twenty
two and we know we're looking at thought he was
a good college quarterback. I thought he got away with
some stuff because you know, he had the ball a lot.
And remember this is also the first game he's going
to play where his dad's not a head coach. Think
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about that for a second, right, first game you're gonna play,
it's in the NFL, you're a preseason starter, and it's
the first time you look over there and Pops doesn't
have the head set on like his dad coached him
in Peewee. So I don't know if he's any good.
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I think he's okay. I think he's fine. I think
he's accurate. I don't think he's got a great arm,
and I don't think he's a great athlete. But the
Cleveland Browns absolutely want to see him succeed because if
they can, they'll have a quarterback really cheap for a
couple of years and have a chance to rebuild this
franchise when they overspent on an absolute waste of time
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in Deshaun Watson, but just because you want him to
be a guy, or you want Dylan Gabriel, but it doesn't
mean it happens. But I can't guarantee much. But they
don't want to see him fail. There are people that
want to see him fail. I don't think they're members
of the Cleveland Brown's organization, all right. Coming up next
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in the Herd is arch manning a lock for two
more years at Texas. The man who knows or will
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Doug Golliban for Colin, this is the Herd. Fox Sports
Radio on the iHeartRadio app. Let's talk some college football.
Josh Pate joins us. He's got the Josh Pate's College
Football Show. If you don't watch him on YouTube, if
you don't know about his show, do yourself favorite Google
and you can just indulge and just be like, oh,
here we go, I'm ready, Josh. You know I part
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of this is watching last year in some of the
surprising finishes in some of the conferences. Some of it
is being a college basketball coach myself, and some of
it is just kind of being an observer of college sports.
But I'm of the opinion no one really knows what
they have and so a lot of these preseason predictions
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sort of wasteful. Right, Yeah, are you in the same boat?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeah? Man?
Speaker 10 (24:32):
Well, first off, hey, it's nice to talk to you
on this Friday. I always thought this okay about college
football has.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Always kind of been that way.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
But let me just give you one extreme off the
charts anecdote to hammer home your point. Barry Odom just
took over the Purdue job. All right, Barry Odom had
a goodyear last year at UNLV. Purdue was terrible. He
takes over the perdue job. Now, you know, in football,
it used to take a minimum of what to it'll
be three years to turn over your roster. Barry's gonna
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have one hundred and five scholarship players in fall.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Eighty three of them are new.
Speaker 10 (25:08):
Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia, I think seventy or seventy
one of his one to oh five are going to
be new, Like they were.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Not there last year.
Speaker 10 (25:16):
So that's your freshman class enrolling, and that's like twenty
five kids and the rest of them are portals. So
with that as the backdrop, I ask you, Doug Gottlieb,
how in the world am I supposed to know anything
about anyone? And then you've got Carson Beck. I mean
this time last year, if you and I were talking,
we would have been talking about that kid and whether
he was going to be the number one overall quarterback
taken in the draft after he probably challenges for the
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Heisman en route to Georgia playing for a national title,
and none of that happens. And now's at Miami, and
how am I supposed to know what to expect down there?
The highlight game of Week one is Texas and Ohio State,
both I think out of the top seventy five and
returning production numbers. How am I supposed to know what
to expect there?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Here's the beauty.
Speaker 10 (25:58):
I've never been one of these anti press season poll guys.
I've never been one of these anti prediction guys.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I am just the.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Kind of guy that wants to do all that, but
do it in very light pencils, Cause you cannot ignore
week one in week two just because you took six
months to build up predictions and you're not coming off
of them. You've got to be ready to pivot on
a dime on this stuff, cause you're right, dude, half
the coaching staff don't even know what they have, so
I certainly don't know what they are.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And a lot of the coaching staffs are new too.
That's the other part, Like they're new and they don't
have spring games anymore.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Yeah, hey, I'll tell you another thing, though. I was
listening to some of the stuff we had done in
spring with some of these coaches this morning, and some
of it was on record, like a lot of it
was off record, And a lot of the off the
record talk, especially in football right now, is about how
many coaches, Like, yeah, you're right, there are new there's
new coaching staff turn all over the place every year.
But there are a lot of people who point blank
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have their jobs this year that would not have previously
had their jobs because their buyout number is too big
a knock on the payroll now, and the payrolls now
because you have to pay the players and so it's
not monopoly money anymore. You actually have to budget and
account for things. And so I mean Billy Napier at Florida,
if we're ten years ago, does Billy even survive last year?
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Does he make it through the season? Well, he did
because of the new constraints, and well in the hold
he may have a top ten team this year. I
think it was like I mean, it's like a small
handful of coordinators out of the entire SEC lost their jobs.
And that's been a league perennially where half the league
turns over at the coordinator position, either from firing or
new hire. So there's a mixture like, yeah, there is
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some newness in coaching spots there, but there's also a
really healthy amount of guys that have been given a
stay of execution.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
If you will, maybe one more year.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
And the truth skill, if you want to talk about
being predictive, is go find the guy that was one
year away all along, and because he's been given that
one more year, is gonna make it pop Because of that.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Well, the hard part about trying to make a pop
is you will take some you'll take some risky guys
and the risk there's risk in and reward in it,
and again you just kind of holding your breath that
the phone doesn't ring in the middle of the night.
Josh pay joined us the Kad Josh Paid College Football Show.
He joins us here in the hurdhim Doug Gottlieb fillling
in for Colin. Archie Manning is like, arch is gonna
(28:15):
be at Texas for you know, two more seasons this year,
next year. Do you buy it?
Speaker 10 (28:21):
Yes, that's been the talk around him since he got there.
I so if I don't buy it, it's just me
calling him a baldfaced liar. And I don't think they are. Now.
He could just explode this year and be projected number
one overall, and of course you got a choice.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
To make at that point.
Speaker 10 (28:39):
I am not applying those kinds of expectations to him.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Now.
Speaker 10 (28:41):
This is you know me personally, The market is, the
odds boards are I'm not. I am expecting him to
be good to really good, with flashes of elite, and
if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
But I do want to take a step back. I mean,
it's very obvious nothing around him is convention.
Speaker 10 (29:01):
Archie Manny talking about that, chief among them, his thought
process in the way he gets to handle himself because
of what his last name is, chief among him. But
how I was trying to think about this, Maybe you
come up with an answer, because I don't have one.
When is the last time that we had known a
kid for over half a decade?
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Six years we've.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
Known Arch Manning sophomore junior, senior year in high school,
first second now third year.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
At Texas and it's six.
Speaker 10 (29:28):
Years in before he's the full time starter. People have
been talking about this dude over half a decade, like
fully formed opinions, and we hadn't even seen him be
listed as the number one quarterback of Texas yet. So
you want to talk about expectations like you asked me
a few minutes ago, Think about how many hard boiled
expectations and thoughts and opinions people have of him without
ever seeing him play entire six game stretches of a
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season before. I don't know that we've ever really seen
that dynamic with anyone. And I guess it would have
to be a famous last name for a kid who
have even mattered as a sophomore in high school like
he did.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, I can't think of one. I just cannot. I mean,
obviously we don't cover up most kids in high school
unless they're you know, Tebow a little bit because he
was part of the reality show back in the day.
That may have been the one, and but then he
played right away, although he wasn't a full time starter
probably what till year three. Right, So there's.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
A that's it.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Huh, that's it.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
Any anybody who's been hyped has come in and they've
been hyped and then they started it just so happens.
Texas had the situation they had, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
And and two. I think it was Nick Saber who
was it who said, if he's so good, why was
he the backup to a to like a six round pick.
And it's like, yeah, okay, Joe Burrow couldn't you know,
couldn't crack the code to Ohio State? I mean, heck
you go back and Josh Field. Well, I mean if
it was a Fields, couldn't crack the code at Georgia
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because it's really hard to replace an incumbent who's a good,
solid college court regardless of your upside. So I don't
I don't actually buy that that sort of argument, if
you will. Speaking of Texas, they play Ohio State first
game of the year, right, what should we we know
there's a lot we don't know. What do we know
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about the matchup?
Speaker 10 (31:18):
You know that the caliber of athlete is going to
be high level, like that's where the floor is baked in,
pretty high on both of those teams. But I mean
there's one thing you can do, and that's just hey,
I know they've recruited top five classes, all right, and
then you're viewing that from fifty thousand feet. You could
zoom in maybe twenty thousand feet and you could go
buy a preview magazine and try and familiarize yourself with
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the names, or you could zoom in in the weeds
and know, hey, man, Texas has already had attrition on
its offensive line, an offensive line that they already had
to backfill departing starters to the NFL Draft because.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Of and that could be an issue.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Now.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
It could be that if they remain unscathed the rest
of the way, they're okay. But I mean Texas is
already in position where they can't afford any more attrition
really along the offensive line. Now I say that, Doug,
and if you were to hit the rewind button on me,
I would have been saying the same thing about notre
Dame this time last year, and they go into College
Station week one against what should have been a ferocious
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edge rush, and they win. And then they keep on
suffering attrition and keep on reloading at offensive line, and
they go on to play for a national title. So really,
what it comes down to is not so much the
players you're gonna have. And I don't say that to
mean players don't matter. Players are everything. I trust that
you recruited and I trust.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
That you developed.
Speaker 10 (32:34):
And Texas did not hit the portal in the offensive line,
by the way, and I was there in the spring,
and I can tell you firsthand, look at them in
the eye. They trust the guys they have in house.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Did you coach your tail off well enough? Like did
you get your team ready? Did you prepare?
Speaker 10 (32:49):
And also, then from my viewpoint I'm sitting over here
on the other side of the lens, I've got to
ask myself, is it possible I see a totally different
version of either of those teams week one than I
will week nine. The answer is almost a definitive yes.
So you gotta be careful not to fly off the
handle because everyone's going to go into that scene. You
know as well as I do that Saturday morning. Everyone's
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gonna say, whoever wins, it'll be a great game. It
could be thirty three to ten. Someone could be minus
four turnovers. There's no guarantee that that's going to be
a great game. I'll probably go, so I trust that
it will be. But you just gotta be careful.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Man.
Speaker 10 (33:22):
That kneed jerk stuff in college football is a dangerous
poison to drink in Week one.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Uh, there's a bunch of really interesting college football programs.
Last year, I said thought Oklahoma was the most interesting,
and they, you know, you go and get a kid
who's supposed to be the next, you know, god includes
Heisman Trophy winner, and he started all the first what
three games, and then they pull him. Now he's he's
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somewhere else in the SEC. What happens with Oklahoma this year?
Speaker 10 (33:55):
I'm sky high on him. I mean that's the one
where I'm totally exposed because I have not hedged my bat,
I've not ridden the fence. I think they will be
a top ten caliber team. Now I say that statement
absent acknowledging their schedule. Their schedule is insanely difficult. But
I do not believe they were a terminally flawed program.
Last year, I believe they had a terminal flaw in
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a program and a roster that was otherwise built to whim.
And they have addressed that emphatically. And I'll tell you
what else they did.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Not only did they go get.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
John Mattiat quarterback and his offensive coordinator Arbuckle comes in.
Those guys are really good. I mean, as soon as
they hired Ben Arbuckle, I had a dozen coaches hit
me up and say, I don't know if you know
that guy or not, but he's a stud.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
He's the real deal. So I trust them. I trust him.
Speaker 10 (34:39):
I legitimately think he could compete for the Heisman this year,
but absent a kid named Dion Burks who was hurt
last year, should be good to go this year. They
really attacked wide receiver in the portal and they overhauled there.
They selectively attacked at linebacker, defensive end I think in
the portal defensively, and they acknowledged and addressed some of
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the issues. They didn't have many dogs. They needed to
address one core issue and they did. Those are three
top ten recruiting classes stacked on top of each other.
Those are three top ten portal classes stacked on top
of each other.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I think they are very.
Speaker 10 (35:12):
Very primed to be the surprise team in the SEC
this year, and they get Michigan and Auburn at home
two of I think the first four weeks of the year.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
I expect them to.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
Go into the red River game against Texas undefeated.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Wow, especially after Michigan. That would be the hype, would
be insane in the Red River rivalry. Josh Patark guest,
I'm Doug gottliefilling for Collins to hurd Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app USC. Lincoln Riley brings Kayleb Williams in and
they start to set the world on fire. And then
all of a sudden, oh boy, oh boy, they start
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they start the remodel. Where are they?
Speaker 10 (35:50):
Lincoln Riley knows exactly where they are.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Lincoln Riley, it's so funny.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
His name was tied to the LSU job, and then
he takes the USC job, and then Brian Kelly takes
the LSU job. Both of those guys made critically wrong
decisions hiring at the outset, and they.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Suffered for it defensively.
Speaker 10 (36:10):
Both of them addressed it, and they addressed it properly.
They both hired the right way. Defensively, they got the
right guys in the building. Last year, each place you
saw an uptick and production. I expect a full hockey
stick effect there again this year.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I expect a lot.
Speaker 10 (36:24):
More scaling of defensive numbers. That's why, whether you know
it's Garrett Nuffmiri Lsu, or whether it's Mayava at USC,
I don't need those guys to.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Go in games single handedly.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
I don't need them to pay forty like cam Ward
had to do last year at Miami. The question I
asked at USC when I was out there this spring
is do you have the bodies on the line of scrimmage?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Because that's what it will always.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
Come down to eventually. I mean, you're going to Eugene,
Oregon in November. If you were to navigate your conference schedule,
you're gonna play Ohio State or Penn State in December.
I mean that's really where you're going to have to
win the game. And you know, Link and Riley teams
have not been known for that both sides of the ball,
But that doesn't mean they can't be. It just means
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a fundamental shift has to have happened philosophically, which brings
me to rewinding about sixteen or seventeen months. When he
stood there in that building after the twenty twenty three
season had concluded, he said, we're changing everything. We are
starting from scratch philosophically. We're going to redefine everything about
this program. And I said, if he means it, this
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is a new day at usc Okay. So then they
lost a bunch of one possession games last year. That
still could be evidence that they're on the right track.
If they are on the right track, my point is
this year it will manifest itself, and this year they'll
compete for the Big Ten championship. And if they don't,
patients will be worn beyond sin. And I can't blame
people if they don't have patience. If he doesn't produce
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after this year, I think they'll be closer.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
This year.
Speaker 10 (37:53):
It's going to be the one possession game stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
All over again. Though, it's just which side are they on?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Sure? Josh Pate, Of course you may know page He
travels all around the country covers college football with his
college Football show. He joins U in the heard, I'm
Doug gottlieb in for Colin Here on a Friday soon
to be a college football Friday. We're just a couple
weeks away. Page State's anonymous with Penn State. James Franklin
has done an incredible job, FIRSTU Vanderbilt and at Penn State,
loading up with talent. But what's missing is big wins.
(38:21):
This has gotta be the year, right, I mean, this
has got to be the Like again, I know no
one everybody knows know what they have. They know what
they have at quarterback, and they know they got a
lot of dudes they've recruited. Well, this has gotta be
the year, doesn't it?
Speaker 10 (38:36):
Yeah, it does. There's nothing unfair about what you said.
I'm a believer that high expectation's totally fair if all
the investment that's been asked by the coaching staff has
been given and James Franklin's got everything he needs and
they're not shying away from it. Manna, I'm not probably
gonna do a show from up there in a couple
of weeks, and I guarantee you will have him on
the show, and I guarantee you he'll look deat in
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that camera and say, yeah, yeah, this should be the year.
That is their attitude and I'll tell you this. If
you're a casual college football fan, and I told you, Hey,
up until last year, James Franklin and Penn State had doubters.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
You would think as a.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
Casual fan, Well, they went to like the semi final
last year, so certainly the doubt has subsided. Right, No,
it hasn't at all. Plus the two pillars in the
doubt tree there were you can't beat the big boys,
and you can't go win a national championship. Well, they
got a shot against Ohio State, they lost. They got
a shot against Oregon, they lost. They went to the playoff,
they beat SMU and Boise, which a hater would tell
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you they should have done, and the hater is right
by the way. And then they got a shot against
Notre Dame and they lost. So even though they went
to the semi final last year and it feels like
they broke new ground, they really didn't.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
So it's the same thing this year. Oregon's coming to
your house.
Speaker 10 (39:44):
You got the white out, it's not a noon kickoff.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
There's no excuse. You need to beat them in week five.
Speaker 10 (39:49):
You got to buy week before that, and they have
to travel to you with a new quarterback, By the way,
you're gonna go to Ohio State later in the year,
you better have at least split those games. You better
be in Indianapolis. You need to win Big ten championship.
You need to go deep in the playoff and beat
someone who lines up across from you, who recruits the
same caliber athlete you do. If you don't, the window's
not closed for you to win ten games. I'm a
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believer James Franklin could do that forever up there, but
there probably is a window to win a championship there,
and you're right, this is the year they got to
do it.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
This year, Josh, Great stuff, dude. We're just a couple
weeks away, a couple weeks aways, getting closer and closer.
I know your show is getting more and more intense.
Thanks for being our guests. Look forward to seeing the
road and I always appreciate pay stay join us.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
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Of your day.
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Thanks so much. I'm Dog Gottley killing in for Colin Cowherd,
and for the next couple of hours, I want to
talk sports with you. It's a Friday, and I don't
know how to say this, so I get excited. It's
a football freight. We had NFL teams with Joe Burrow
(01:01):
starting a quarterback for the Symphony Bengals last night. Right,
we had NFL teams playing NFL preseason games and actually
playing some of their guys last night. We'll have some
of that tonight. So and by the end of the weekend,
every team will have had a preseason game and we
can make all of our predictions and assessments based upon
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we don't really know right one's playing against fours and whatever.
And while either Crown Shador Sanders the starter and franchise
quarterback with the Cleveland Browns, or we're gonna say he's
a bomb any stinks by the end of the weekend
and it may not actually matter to how he plays.
That's preseason football. That's football. Mark Dominic, who's the former
(01:43):
gentlem manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. He'll join us up
coming in fifteen minutes. This is a weird way of
presenting this story, but I do think it's the only
way of presenting this story is and I understand it's
a huntredictory way of talking about it, but it's the
way in which I do feel like we should all
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talk about it, which is, I don't care about Michael Parsons.
Not that I don't care about him as a person
might care about him as a person's fairly limited. Let's
just kind of be honest. We're not friends. Doesn't mean
we're enemies, but I don't actually care. He's a great
football player, seems to be a bright enough guy, and
(02:27):
who am I as a head basketball coach in Division
one and also a radio show host on the Doug
Otleb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Who am I to
be critical of him having a podcast, but I don't
think the podcast is the best idea for him, mostly
because at his age, he still has what I would
call it's not that his opinions aren't developed, but partly
(02:50):
they're not really developed. Also, just doesn't have like when
you're in your mid twenties, there's a lot you don't know,
especially when you grew up. It's not like you grew
up nerd studying every other sport and every other thing.
So when he's talking about football, he knows a lot.
When he's talking about other stuff, you know, I know
very much. And all he knows is during his lifespan, right,
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which may be interesting to you. But there's so many
pitfalls in talking about your team and talking about the Cowboys,
especially when you're going through struggles. It may not be
that smart. But this is not like a personal shot
at Michael Parsons. I don't care a ton because he's
going to be a cowboy. There's this we do this thing.
(03:35):
We do this dance, not just with the Cowboys. We
do this dance every year. We're like, wow, you know
he could be a free agent at the end of
the year. Huh, did we not review how the contracts
the rookie contracts are structured in the NFL, and as
a high first round pick, this is year five where
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the year five option is a big payday, again in
comparison to the rest of the contract. And though there
doesn't appear to be any contract beyond this year, the
fact is that all the Cowboys have to do is
slap on the franchise tag, which they will do if
there's no contract agreed to at the end of the year,
and he has basically one choice that's to play for
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the two choices negotiate a long term extension with the
Cowboys or play for the Cowboys as a franchise tag
e which is a big number, but it doesn't have
long term benefits for either side, and like, well, we'll
be the long term benefits for a football team be
well it it gives them cost certainty and it also
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helps them with the luxury tax where it's not with
luxury tacks with the with the UH with the salary
cap where they can't manipulate it and do some signing
bonus and push them away, and that's the benefit. So
it is, it's mutually beneficial, it's mutually uh punit. But
(05:01):
the one thing I can tell you is that if
the Cowboys choose to not negotiate at all with Michael
Parsons for the next three seasons, he's a Dallas Cowboy
after this year. You're like, what, yeah, And most football
fans sitting there going like, I know this, Scottlieb I
tuned into here. Cowherd. Cowherd's not there. He's in Chicago
(05:23):
or Rhode Island or parts unknown that he will probably
tweet about later on today. And oh, yeah, by the way,
you're telling me something I already knew. But again, you
have to reiterate it. He is under contract and he's
not a free agent at the end of the year.
At the Cowboys don't want him to be a free agent.
There's no reason for them to want him to be
a free agent. And then you factor in it's a
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Dallas Cowboy, it's Cowboys, and it's it's did you guys
ever get caught up in the law and order? And
some people did a special victims unit. Everybod had a
law and Order. What I loved about the law and
(06:07):
Orders was that it's just kind of self contained. There's
no long ongoing storyline for the most part. What I
disliked about the Law and Orders. At some point you
kind of know who it is, and they do come
up with new and clever ways in which to point
out the who actually done it. You know, the storylines
(06:29):
are kind of the I'm based upon a true story,
but it ends up coming to be where you're like, yeah,
you figure it out about three quarters the way in
how many years have we done this? Just last year?
Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb, Zach Martin. I mean you can
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go to Ezekiel Elliott in that year and then you
know Zeke who this is. It's like classic Dallas Cowboys playbook.
And Jerry always gives in Jerry's gonna pay a bunch
of money. Jerry thinks they had a deal done. My
guess is that they had a deal done, and then
the agent, David Willgetta, is like, wait, he did a
deal without me, eh, and so he wants, you know,
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more money is some sort of punishment. They're like, we
agreed to a term, We're good. It eventually get done.
He's not even holding out, nor is he gonna hold
out because he doesn't want to get fined and he
doesn't want to lose this payday or this year. He's
not sitting at not threatening to sit out. He simply's like,
I want to be traded. Sure, Now, could the Cowboys
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trade him? Yeah? I mean you could sit there and go, hey,
we're not particularly good with or without him, so why
not trade him for a couple of two first round
picks and then be done with it and move on.
They could do that. I just don't think they will.
Drafted Mike Comparsons. They like Mike Caparsons. He works there,
he's been you know, last year was a different defensive
system than previously and it took some adjustment and they're
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not great. But he's gonna be a Cowboy. And the
only reason he wouldn't be a Cowboys if the Cowboys
decided he don't need to be a Cowboy anymore, and
they're clearly not at that point, Otherwise they wouldn't have
negotiated a deal. So I have talked for seven minutes
and three seconds on a topic that you do feel
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compelled to circle back to Dallas Cowboys, Micah Parson's star
player and the hold in and the story I'm going
to tell you, or my perception of it, is he's
going to be a cowboy. He's going to sign a
long term extension. And I feel like we keep getting
roped into the same storyline year after year, time after time.
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It's tiresome, made even worse by the fact that we
get this fake Oh, he could be he's a free
agent at the end of the year. When he's not
a free agent means you free, means you contracts up,
go ever you up, and he will not be a
It could be you can go restricted free agent right
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or he's under club control until otherwise it's not a
free agent that deal. And and just so you know,
I don't know why people know this. Media deals are
much the same most media deals. When you sign on
with a media company, even though your contract is up,
they do have right a first refusal. They can match anything,
and they can keep you under contract at that at
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that price if you go somewhere else, really unless they
release you and allow you out of it. And a
lot of people, a lot a lot of people I
know in the business world have that, you know, non
compete clauses or whatever. But for football, this is not
like the NBA, where your contract is up and you're done.
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There's no it's not a player option, it's not a
team option. I guess you could call it a team
option and a team option at franchise tag. But then
you can still negotiate a long term deal during any
one of those years. But don't get it twisted. You
have a tremendous player who's still not in his prime,
who's under contract this year and realistically under contract for
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the next three years after this year. If the Cowboys
don't want to negotiate at all, he's not holding out,
he's in. He's doing the I got a back injury
so he doesn't get fined. They came to some sort
of agreement that then the agent lost his mind because
he wasn't involved in the negotiation rightfully. So and by
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the end of I don't know next two weeks, Michael
Parsons will be playing for the Cowboys. It's not a
nothing burger. But I've seen this movie. I know how
it ends. I seen this movie. I know how it ends.
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Here's Jerry Jones this week on the Parsons negotiations.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Bomb think the world of Micah. Like I've said, I've
had a lot us had social time with Michael, which
isn't always the case, but I have. He's one of
the brightest people I've ever been around, and he's very.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Very talented.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Now, how we ultimately mail him in with our future
is a challenge and I'm built for it and he's
built for it. We have continual contract negotiations going on.
I know you have Mike at front of mine, but
we're continually working on contracts when all clubs are, and
so I don't necessarily put a big read letter beside
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any time that we've completed contract negotiations, but I'm appreciative
when we do so. But it's really business as usually.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So if it's business as usual, what are we actually doing?
Wise and done? Coming up next in the Herd, I'm
Doug Gottlie Pavilion for Colin. Is the Parsons deal inevitable?
And I don't know if you guys saw Anthony Richardson
just located a pinky last night didn't play particularly well well.
Ask Mark Dominic is into time for the Colts to
(12:08):
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They might have been working on Facebook maybe maybe, I mean,
did you guys see Paul Skins yesterday? Did anybody follow
this Paul Skans who is the number one overall pick
two years ago for the Pirates who stink first time? Okay,
(13:40):
and I think forty seven starts hit allowed seven hits.
You're like, wow, still shout out the reds, still shout
out the threads. He is so good. Like the juxtaposition
of how how good Schemes is and how bad the
Pirates are is real. They were remarkable. It's can you imagine? Yeah?
(14:07):
I can. Actually I remember Michael Jordan when he first
came to the Bulls. You know, it's like, that doesn't
mean he's Michael Jordan. It's the now. You have people
who look back and they were like, Jordan didn't win
anything without Scotty Pippen. Okay, either state that you were
alive when Jordan dominated the NBA and you choose to
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change what it was actually like, or you weren't alive,
you didn't know, and so you're just repeating what stupid
people say. Because Scottie Pippen played when they kept getting
beat by the Pistons and they would punk Michael Jordan.
The would punk Scotty Pippen. He had a migraine. Scotty
was a great number two, really good, really good player.
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Let let Let's not act like it's not like he
was anywhere near the stratosphere of a Michael Jordan, you know,
not close. Yeah, Jordan had to evolve, learn to pass
putting a different offense when the double teams has come,
learned to trust this team. In part of it was
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teams weren't very good and then they grew and got better.
But people say dumb stuff all the time, and you know,
you could say, like, well, Paul Skians are all what baseball?
Baseball somehow is the only sport which you can be
awesome and your team be stinky, And people are like, eh,
I know I do have a Paul Skiings thing to
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get to a little bit a little bit later on
the show. Let's let let's start with Shadoor Sanders, who
is going to get the start for the Browns in
their preseason opener tonight. Here's Kevin Stefanski's head coach on Shador.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
My expectations for Shador are no different than the rest
of the guys, but expect them to go operate. When
you get in these preseason games, you try to keep
it very simple so that guys can play fast off
concepts that our players know and can kind of not
think too much and just play ball.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah, and just playball. Now. The sale of Shador Sanders
is that this is what his entire career was built upon, right,
or built in readiness for He trained with Tom Brady,
he started at Jackson State and kind of built up.
So he has the volume of reps four years as
a starter, two years in one double A and two
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years in the Big twelve or one year in the
pack of one year in the Big twelve. And he's
got a lot of starts under his belt, and he's
studied with the best, and so he's ready and so
none of this stuff is hard for him. But I
just there is no middle, right because the likelihood is
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you'll watch him night be like, oh, there's some good
because he's not terrible, and there's some things like, yeah,
you got to clean it up. He's not a great athlete,
but he's not a bad athlete.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Uh, he's got really good touch, very accurate. Not really
it doesn't really have a laser outside the numbers, but
there's there's there's a lot there and there's some stuff
missing and maybe it gets exposed tonight. Maybe it doesn't,
but it will. I mean we all know how this works.
It will be all or nothing. It will be the
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Browns need to just drop everything and start Shadoor Sanders
or this is a joke. His dad, you know, pushed
him to a level above his level of competency. Why
are we talking about the first round? It's a big
night for Mel Kiper Junior. Not gonna lie to you,
like Mel almost put down his entire like reputation are
like what is going on? Which, by the way, just
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shows I love Mel. Mel is always a gentleman to
work with. But a lot of the people that he
used to have an in with in the NFL, they've
they've aged out. And anyone who's been in the NFL
now knows that Door Sanders was a clown in the interviews.
Now what what does that matter? Well, no one else
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was a clown. All right, job interview, You're gonna clown
job interview. So and it's not like he's the perfect prospect.
He's not bad, but let's not act like he's Josh Allen.
And even Josh Allen, who was flawed coming out of college,
didn't act or behave the way that Shorr Sanders is
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reported to have act. But this is. We were told, Hey,
he's trained with Brady, his mental game is far ahead
of everybody else. He's playing the preseason. He's not gonna
see a bunch of exotic stuff. And he's a gamer.
He just clutch. It's legendary. Okay to anyone who says
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are they're they're setting him up for a failure. Okay,
do you think you have a better chance of succeeding
in the NFL in a preseason game playing with because
I don't think he'll play with many starters, but playing
with ones and twos or playing with threes and fours
and fives. What do you think? Right, there's a reason
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that the end of the end of preseason games can
just look raggedy because you have dudes that aren't going
to be in the NFL this year. Who would you
rather have blocking for him? The second string left tackle
or the fourth string left tackle? Don't believe me. Here's
Mark Dominic, former general manager in the in the NFL
with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I asked him last hour
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about the what's the chances that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
want to see him? Excuse me that the Cleveland Browns.
Mark was the general manager of the tamp Bay Buccaneers
that the Cleveland Browns want to see Chador fail.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
No one such a guy have to fail. I mean
there's internally as an organization, the last thing you're ever
going to do is like, I can't wait to get
this guy out there. Three he falls on his face.
It's like no one thinks that way, especially with the
draft pick. And I know shaduor Sanders and or like,
oh this is you know, look, they already drafted a
quarterback and they trade it up to make sure they
got the next quarterback. They want him to be successful desperately.
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The problem is what you said that there's been a
lot of injuries and he's found a way to get
healthier faster than all the other guys. And you know,
there's a great opportunity. You know, it doesn't you know,
there's no way anyone in Cleveland and that organization is like,
let's put Shadoor out there so he looks terrible when
he fails. No one's thinking that.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Agreed, agreed, Now what does success and what does failure
look like? Right? Like he'll be able to be under
center and throw a football. This is a lot like
the discussion with so many guys. Well, I can't throll
the deep ball. Well, it doesn't mean you can't throw
the ball deep down the field, but can you throw
a deep out? You know, can you be on the
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move and throw something where it's not a hospital ball
where you're gonna get your guy put in the hospital
and forgive me, you know, dog pound since nineteen sixty
nine on Twitter. But what Kevin Stefanski thinks is what's
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really important. So I am, I'm interested, And he said,
we wanted to play fast. We don't want to think much.
We're gonna do simple stuff. Just be simple. The other
thing about being a starter is easier to script plays scriptum.
So you come in, get right after him. You're gonna
look better than you probably are. I have no idea
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if Sheet or Sanders is a starting caliber quarterback in
the NFL. Neither do you, you know, because we could
sit there and go, hey, well you know this level
of completion percentage. Yeah, but a lot of it was
dinking up or throwing to the best player in college football.
They did have an outstanding wide receiving core. He holds
on the ball a little bit long, and it was made.
It was as exacerbated by the fact that he had
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a poorous offensive line. But let's not act like we're
sitting there breaking down film and see the All twenty
two and we know we're looking at thought he was
a good college quarterback. I thought he got away with
some stuff because you know, he had the ball a lot.
And remember this is also the first game he's going
to play where his dad's not a head coach. Think
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about that for a second, right, first game you're gonna play,
it's in the NFL, you're a preseason starter, and it's
the first time you look over there and Pops doesn't
have the head set on like his dad coached him
in Peewee. So I don't know if he's any good.
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I think he's okay. I think he's fine. I think
he's accurate. I don't think he's got a great arm,
and I don't think he's a great athlete. But the
Cleveland Browns absolutely want to see him succeed because if
they can, they'll have a quarterback really cheap for a
couple of years and have a chance to rebuild this
franchise when they overspent on an absolute waste of time
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in Deshaun Watson, but just because you want him to
be a guy, or you want Dylan Gabriel, but it doesn't
mean it happens. But I can't guarantee much. But they
don't want to see him fail. There are people that
want to see him fail. I don't think they're members
of the Cleveland Brown's organization, all right. Coming up next
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in the Herd is arch manning a lock for two
more years at Texas. The man who knows or will
say something with supreme confidence where you think he knows,
joins us. Next in the.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
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Speaker 3 (23:41):
Doug Golliban for Colin, this is the Herd. Fox Sports
Radio on the iHeartRadio app. Let's talk some college football.
Josh Pate joins us. He's got the Josh Pate's College
Football Show. If you don't watch him on YouTube, if
you don't know about his show, do yourself favorite Google
and you can just indulge and just be like, oh,
here we go, I'm ready, Josh. You know I part
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of this is watching last year in some of the
surprising finishes in some of the conferences. Some of it
is being a college basketball coach myself, and some of
it is just kind of being an observer of college sports.
But I'm of the opinion no one really knows what
they have and so a lot of these preseason predictions
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sort of wasteful. Right, Yeah, are you in the same boat?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeah? Man?
Speaker 10 (24:32):
Well, first off, hey, it's nice to talk to you
on this Friday. I always thought this okay about college
football has.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Always kind of been that way.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
But let me just give you one extreme off the
charts anecdote to hammer home your point. Barry Odom just
took over the Purdue job. All right, Barry Odom had
a goodyear last year at UNLV. Purdue was terrible. He
takes over the perdue job. Now, you know, in football,
it used to take a minimum of what to it'll
be three years to turn over your roster. Barry's gonna
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have one hundred and five scholarship players in fall.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Eighty three of them are new.
Speaker 10 (25:08):
Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia, I think seventy or seventy
one of his one to oh five are going to
be new, Like they were.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Not there last year.
Speaker 10 (25:16):
So that's your freshman class enrolling, and that's like twenty
five kids and the rest of them are portals. So
with that as the backdrop, I ask you, Doug Gottlieb,
how in the world am I supposed to know anything
about anyone? And then you've got Carson Beck. I mean
this time last year, if you and I were talking,
we would have been talking about that kid and whether
he was going to be the number one overall quarterback
taken in the draft after he probably challenges for the
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Heisman en route to Georgia playing for a national title,
and none of that happens. And now's at Miami, and
how am I supposed to know what to expect down there?
The highlight game of Week one is Texas and Ohio State,
both I think out of the top seventy five and
returning production numbers. How am I supposed to know what
to expect there?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Here's the beauty.
Speaker 10 (25:58):
I've never been one of these anti press season poll guys.
I've never been one of these anti prediction guys.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I am just the.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Kind of guy that wants to do all that, but
do it in very light pencils, Cause you cannot ignore
week one in week two just because you took six
months to build up predictions and you're not coming off
of them. You've got to be ready to pivot on
a dime on this stuff, cause you're right, dude, half
the coaching staff don't even know what they have, so
I certainly don't know what they are.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And a lot of the coaching staffs are new too.
That's the other part, Like they're new and they don't
have spring games anymore.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Yeah, hey, I'll tell you another thing, though. I was
listening to some of the stuff we had done in
spring with some of these coaches this morning, and some
of it was on record, like a lot of it
was off record, And a lot of the off the
record talk, especially in football right now, is about how
many coaches, Like, yeah, you're right, there are new there's
new coaching staff turn all over the place every year.
But there are a lot of people who point blank
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have their jobs this year that would not have previously
had their jobs because their buyout number is too big
a knock on the payroll now, and the payrolls now
because you have to pay the players and so it's
not monopoly money anymore. You actually have to budget and
account for things. And so I mean Billy Napier at Florida,
if we're ten years ago, does Billy even survive last year?
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Does he make it through the season? Well, he did
because of the new constraints, and well in the hold
he may have a top ten team this year. I
think it was like I mean, it's like a small
handful of coordinators out of the entire SEC lost their jobs.
And that's been a league perennially where half the league
turns over at the coordinator position, either from firing or
new hire. So there's a mixture like, yeah, there is
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some newness in coaching spots there, but there's also a
really healthy amount of guys that have been given a
stay of execution.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
If you will, maybe one more year.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
And the truth skill, if you want to talk about
being predictive, is go find the guy that was one
year away all along, and because he's been given that
one more year, is gonna make it pop Because of that.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Well, the hard part about trying to make a pop
is you will take some you'll take some risky guys
and the risk there's risk in and reward in it,
and again you just kind of holding your breath that
the phone doesn't ring in the middle of the night.
Josh pay joined us the Kad Josh Paid College Football Show.
He joins us here in the hurdhim Doug Gottlieb fillling
in for Colin. Archie Manning is like, arch is gonna
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be at Texas for you know, two more seasons this year,
next year. Do you buy it?
Speaker 10 (28:21):
Yes, that's been the talk around him since he got there.
I so if I don't buy it, it's just me
calling him a baldfaced liar. And I don't think they are. Now.
He could just explode this year and be projected number
one overall, and of course you got a choice.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
To make at that point.
Speaker 10 (28:39):
I am not applying those kinds of expectations to him.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Now.
Speaker 10 (28:41):
This is you know me personally, The market is, the
odds boards are I'm not. I am expecting him to
be good to really good, with flashes of elite, and
if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
But I do want to take a step back. I mean,
it's very obvious nothing around him is convention.
Speaker 10 (29:01):
Archie Manny talking about that, chief among them, his thought
process in the way he gets to handle himself because
of what his last name is, chief among him. But
how I was trying to think about this, Maybe you
come up with an answer, because I don't have one.
When is the last time that we had known a
kid for over half a decade?
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Six years we've.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
Known Arch Manning sophomore junior, senior year in high school,
first second now third year.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
At Texas and it's six.
Speaker 10 (29:28):
Years in before he's the full time starter. People have
been talking about this dude over half a decade, like
fully formed opinions, and we hadn't even seen him be
listed as the number one quarterback of Texas yet. So
you want to talk about expectations like you asked me
a few minutes ago, Think about how many hard boiled
expectations and thoughts and opinions people have of him without
ever seeing him play entire six game stretches of a
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season before. I don't know that we've ever really seen
that dynamic with anyone. And I guess it would have
to be a famous last name for a kid who
have even mattered as a sophomore in high school like
he did.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, I can't think of one. I just cannot. I mean,
obviously we don't cover up most kids in high school
unless they're you know, Tebow a little bit because he
was part of the reality show back in the day.
That may have been the one, and but then he
played right away, although he wasn't a full time starter
probably what till year three. Right, So there's.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
A that's it.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Huh, that's it.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
Any anybody who's been hyped has come in and they've
been hyped and then they started it just so happens.
Texas had the situation they had, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
And and two. I think it was Nick Saber who
was it who said, if he's so good, why was
he the backup to a to like a six round pick.
And it's like, yeah, okay, Joe Burrow couldn't you know,
couldn't crack the code to Ohio State? I mean, heck
you go back and Josh Field. Well, I mean if
it was a Fields, couldn't crack the code at Georgia
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because it's really hard to replace an incumbent who's a good,
solid college court regardless of your upside. So I don't
I don't actually buy that that sort of argument, if
you will. Speaking of Texas, they play Ohio State first
game of the year, right, what should we we know
there's a lot we don't know. What do we know
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about the matchup?
Speaker 10 (31:18):
You know that the caliber of athlete is going to
be high level, like that's where the floor is baked in,
pretty high on both of those teams. But I mean
there's one thing you can do, and that's just hey,
I know they've recruited top five classes, all right, and
then you're viewing that from fifty thousand feet. You could
zoom in maybe twenty thousand feet and you could go
buy a preview magazine and try and familiarize yourself with
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the names, or you could zoom in in the weeds
and know, hey, man, Texas has already had attrition on
its offensive line, an offensive line that they already had
to backfill departing starters to the NFL Draft because.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Of and that could be an issue.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Now.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
It could be that if they remain unscathed the rest
of the way, they're okay. But I mean Texas is
already in position where they can't afford any more attrition
really along the offensive line. Now I say that, Doug,
and if you were to hit the rewind button on me,
I would have been saying the same thing about notre
Dame this time last year, and they go into College
Station week one against what should have been a ferocious
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edge rush, and they win. And then they keep on
suffering attrition and keep on reloading at offensive line, and
they go on to play for a national title. So really,
what it comes down to is not so much the
players you're gonna have. And I don't say that to
mean players don't matter. Players are everything. I trust that
you recruited and I trust.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
That you developed.
Speaker 10 (32:34):
And Texas did not hit the portal in the offensive line,
by the way, and I was there in the spring,
and I can tell you firsthand, look at them in
the eye. They trust the guys they have in house.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Did you coach your tail off well enough? Like did
you get your team ready? Did you prepare?
Speaker 10 (32:49):
And also, then from my viewpoint I'm sitting over here
on the other side of the lens, I've got to
ask myself, is it possible I see a totally different
version of either of those teams week one than I
will week nine. The answer is almost a definitive yes.
So you gotta be careful not to fly off the
handle because everyone's going to go into that scene. You
know as well as I do that Saturday morning. Everyone's
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gonna say, whoever wins, it'll be a great game. It
could be thirty three to ten. Someone could be minus
four turnovers. There's no guarantee that that's going to be
a great game. I'll probably go, so I trust that
it will be. But you just gotta be careful.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Man.
Speaker 10 (33:22):
That kneed jerk stuff in college football is a dangerous
poison to drink in Week one.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Uh, there's a bunch of really interesting college football programs.
Last year, I said thought Oklahoma was the most interesting,
and they, you know, you go and get a kid
who's supposed to be the next, you know, god includes
Heisman Trophy winner, and he started all the first what
three games, and then they pull him. Now he's he's
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somewhere else in the SEC. What happens with Oklahoma this year?
Speaker 10 (33:55):
I'm sky high on him. I mean that's the one
where I'm totally exposed because I have not hedged my bat,
I've not ridden the fence. I think they will be
a top ten caliber team. Now I say that statement
absent acknowledging their schedule. Their schedule is insanely difficult. But
I do not believe they were a terminally flawed program.
Last year, I believe they had a terminal flaw in
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a program and a roster that was otherwise built to whim.
And they have addressed that emphatically. And I'll tell you
what else they did.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Not only did they go get.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
John Mattiat quarterback and his offensive coordinator Arbuckle comes in.
Those guys are really good. I mean, as soon as
they hired Ben Arbuckle, I had a dozen coaches hit
me up and say, I don't know if you know
that guy or not, but he's a stud.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
He's the real deal. So I trust them. I trust him.
Speaker 10 (34:39):
I legitimately think he could compete for the Heisman this year,
but absent a kid named Dion Burks who was hurt
last year, should be good to go this year. They
really attacked wide receiver in the portal and they overhauled there.
They selectively attacked at linebacker, defensive end I think in
the portal defensively, and they acknowledged and addressed some of
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the issues. They didn't have many dogs. They needed to
address one core issue and they did. Those are three
top ten recruiting classes stacked on top of each other.
Those are three top ten portal classes stacked on top
of each other.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I think they are very.
Speaker 10 (35:12):
Very primed to be the surprise team in the SEC
this year, and they get Michigan and Auburn at home
two of I think the first four weeks of the year.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
I expect them to.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
Go into the red River game against Texas undefeated.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Wow, especially after Michigan. That would be the hype, would
be insane in the Red River rivalry. Josh Patark guest,
I'm Doug gottliefilling for Collins to hurd Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app USC. Lincoln Riley brings Kayleb Williams in and
they start to set the world on fire. And then
all of a sudden, oh boy, oh boy, they start
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they start the remodel. Where are they?
Speaker 10 (35:50):
Lincoln Riley knows exactly where they are.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Lincoln Riley, it's so funny.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
His name was tied to the LSU job, and then
he takes the USC job, and then Brian Kelly takes
the LSU job. Both of those guys made critically wrong
decisions hiring at the outset, and they.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Suffered for it defensively.
Speaker 10 (36:10):
Both of them addressed it, and they addressed it properly.
They both hired the right way. Defensively, they got the
right guys in the building. Last year, each place you
saw an uptick and production. I expect a full hockey
stick effect there again this year.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I expect a lot.
Speaker 10 (36:24):
More scaling of defensive numbers. That's why, whether you know
it's Garrett Nuffmiri Lsu, or whether it's Mayava at USC,
I don't need those guys to.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Go in games single handedly.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
I don't need them to pay forty like cam Ward
had to do last year at Miami. The question I
asked at USC when I was out there this spring
is do you have the bodies on the line of scrimmage?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Because that's what it will always.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
Come down to eventually. I mean, you're going to Eugene,
Oregon in November. If you were to navigate your conference schedule,
you're gonna play Ohio State or Penn State in December.
I mean that's really where you're going to have to
win the game. And you know, Link and Riley teams
have not been known for that both sides of the ball,
But that doesn't mean they can't be. It just means
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a fundamental shift has to have happened philosophically, which brings
me to rewinding about sixteen or seventeen months. When he
stood there in that building after the twenty twenty three
season had concluded, he said, we're changing everything. We are
starting from scratch philosophically. We're going to redefine everything about
this program. And I said, if he means it, this
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is a new day at usc Okay. So then they
lost a bunch of one possession games last year. That
still could be evidence that they're on the right track.
If they are on the right track, my point is
this year it will manifest itself, and this year they'll
compete for the Big Ten championship. And if they don't,
patients will be worn beyond sin. And I can't blame
people if they don't have patience. If he doesn't produce
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after this year, I think they'll be closer.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
This year.
Speaker 10 (37:53):
It's going to be the one possession game stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
All over again. Though, it's just which side are they on?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Sure? Josh Pate, Of course you may know page He
travels all around the country covers college football with his
college Football show. He joins U in the heard, I'm
Doug gottlieb in for Colin Here on a Friday soon
to be a college football Friday. We're just a couple
weeks away. Page State's anonymous with Penn State. James Franklin
has done an incredible job, FIRSTU Vanderbilt and at Penn State,
loading up with talent. But what's missing is big wins.
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This has gotta be the year, right, I mean, this
has got to be the Like again, I know no
one everybody knows know what they have. They know what
they have at quarterback, and they know they got a
lot of dudes they've recruited. Well, this has gotta be
the year, doesn't it?
Speaker 10 (38:36):
Yeah, it does. There's nothing unfair about what you said.
I'm a believer that high expectation's totally fair if all
the investment that's been asked by the coaching staff has
been given and James Franklin's got everything he needs and
they're not shying away from it. Manna, I'm not probably
gonna do a show from up there in a couple
of weeks, and I guarantee you will have him on
the show, and I guarantee you he'll look deat in
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that camera and say, yeah, yeah, this should be the year.
That is their attitude and I'll tell you this. If
you're a casual college football fan, and I told you, Hey,
up until last year, James Franklin and Penn State had doubters.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
You would think as a.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
Casual fan, Well, they went to like the semi final
last year, so certainly the doubt has subsided. Right, No,
it hasn't at all. Plus the two pillars in the
doubt tree there were you can't beat the big boys,
and you can't go win a national championship. Well, they
got a shot against Ohio State, they lost. They got
a shot against Oregon, they lost. They went to the playoff,
they beat SMU and Boise, which a hater would tell
(39:32):
you they should have done, and the hater is right
by the way. And then they got a shot against
Notre Dame and they lost. So even though they went
to the semi final last year and it feels like
they broke new ground, they really didn't.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
So it's the same thing this year. Oregon's coming to
your house.
Speaker 10 (39:44):
You got the white out, it's not a noon kickoff.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
There's no excuse. You need to beat them in week five.
Speaker 10 (39:49):
You got to buy week before that, and they have
to travel to you with a new quarterback, By the way,
you're gonna go to Ohio State later in the year,
you better have at least split those games. You better
be in Indianapolis. You need to win Big ten championship.
You need to go deep in the playoff and beat
someone who lines up across from you, who recruits the
same caliber athlete you do. If you don't, the window's
not closed for you to win ten games. I'm a
(40:10):
believer James Franklin could do that forever up there, but
there probably is a window to win a championship there,
and you're right, this is the year they got to
do it.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
This year, Josh, Great stuff, dude. We're just a couple
weeks away, a couple weeks aways, getting closer and closer.
I know your show is getting more and more intense.
Thanks for being our guests. Look forward to seeing the
road and I always appreciate pay stay join us.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
I appreciate it, brother,
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