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And I thought today, I was like, you know what's
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carriage tat. Okay, let's dive in to this little thing
that we call the Middle Cough mail Bag, and we
will start with my main man, Luke, big fan of
the show. I'm a Chiefs fan, and Collins' final playoff
predictions got my panties in a bunch because he flipped
the Chargers and the Broncos to win the division based
off the Slater injury and kept the Chiefs as a

(04:40):
wild card. My question for the mail bag is specifically
why the quote unquote one score game stat for the
Chiefs is such a one sided argument. Everyone says that
there's no way they can win as many one score
games they did last year, But what if instead of
losing more one score games, they just aren't in as
many and are my two scores? Instead? A lot of

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those games should have been blow ups, blowouts and with
relatively same defense, a healthy wide receiver group, and tongue
in cheek a future Hall of Famer Josh Simmons at
left tackle. I don't see why KC shouldn't be able
to pull away from teams that they let hang around.
I also think that if you just look at the
last let's say twenty years with good teams or teams

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that have had sustained success, the Patriots are obviously the
best example. You know, the Ravens would be a franchise.
You could look at the Bills these last four or
five years. You could look at groups like the Harbaugh
Niners or the Shanahan Niners, or the Packers with Rogers.
When you're a good team and you're gonna average between
twelve and fifteen wins a season, right, let's see even eleven. Right,

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you're gonna have years where the difference between winning twelve
and fourteen might just be a fumble in a block
field goal. Right, That's just that's the way the world works.
But you're also the majority of time, over the aggregate,
you're not playing in games where you're winning forty to ten.
That's not how the NFL worked. This is not college football. Right,
if you go back and look at Ohio State over

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the last five years, or Alabama over the last ten years,
or Georgia. In college, good teams blow opponents out a lot, right.
They play in two or three close games during the
regular season, and then in theory the postseason. Now, the
playoffs is a highly contested matchup, but regular season games
for good college teams are blocked. That's not the NFL.

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You're going to play in a lot of one score games.
I bet if you look at the Chiefs over the
last five six years, they have an excellent one score
game winning record. Why because they average like thirteen wins
the season, so most of their wins are not going
to be thirty eight to thirteen. I actually don't think
it's more with an outlier season, like a couple of

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years ago, the Minnesota Vikings with Kirk Cousins. I think
the Giants when they went nine to eight. It happens
to some franchises and that's like their one good season
over the course of like three years. That's not the
case with the Chiefs. So I'm with you. I think
we probably make too big a deal with that. Like this,
we have a lot of data. This is not a
small sample size. It's like, well, this guy hit ten

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home runs in the month of June. He's gonna be
the greatest home run hitter of all time, and he's
like never hits another home run. Like this is a
franchise that like year in year out, since Patrick began
as a starting quarterback in whatever year that was eighteen,
Like we got a pretty good vibe in a field,
like this team's gonna be good. Now. I think they've
won this division seven years in a row over the

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course of ten years. There's going to be a year
when you don't win the division, right, it happened to
the Patriots. The Dolphins won it in what was that
eight now, Tom Brady towards ACL that year. The difference
in the Chiefs situation relative to that situation in New
England for twenty years, where I think they basically won

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the division every year beside that one, that division kind
of sucked. Now, the Patriots always made up for it
because handled everyone else, your division's good, So Denver's gonna
be good. The Chargers, even if they it's a pretty
big blow, like they're gonna be solid. And the Raiders
with Pete Carroll are going to be I mean the
Pete Carroll's last couple of years with Seattle, Everyone's like,

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he just it just sucks. It's like they were winning
nine games, like making the playoffs. So I think the
floor is really really high on that division as a whole,
and eventually you're just gonna have one of those years
where if instead of winning thirteen games, you end up
winning eleven like the Chiefs two years ago, and you
don't win the division you finished second. I do think
that's possible. But like if I want to argue for

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the Chiefs, you'd go, well, Chargers lost their left tackle.
We're better than them. It's like, Okay, Bo Nicks, I
know everyone loves giving him the circle jerk and listen,
I'm probably guilty of that too, Like see it, beat us,
let's see it, beat us? Can you win this Division's
let's see because I know our guy can can you?
Big Bucks fan and also a big fan of the show,

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you have to discuss Chase is one of the better
gms in the league, and I also have a conflicted
opinion on it. On one hand, we indeed have one
of the better rosters in the league, and we have
been a stalwart in winning the division and going to
the playoffs the last five years. But on the other hand,
he just extended Bulls, who, despite having won the division
as a coach every year of his tenure, I think
we can all agree probably holding the team back. He

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is a defensive coach and his defenses are subpar, and
we schematically and tactically aren't clever or creative. I will
give Bulls credit for bringing a sense of stability and
keeping the team even keel, but doesn't Light deserve some
criticism for not seeing Bulls just isn't good enough as
a head coach. I was ironically here. I sent Jason

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to text yesterday because there was an article on The Athletic.
Basically the premise was like, we don't draft assholes or dbags,
and that's a big reason over the last five years
they have had so much success in the draft, building
a roster that is just fantastic, right and Tom Brady
was the cherry on top, and then they turned it

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around and then they transitioned to Baker. But Jason is
easily one of the best drafting gms in the league
and just a good guy. Like we started talking about
other mid round draft picks and he's just an easy going,
high level GM. I don't know the particulars of every
organization and really most organizations when it comes to these situations,

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but no head coach and no GM is ever extended
unless the owner wants to do it. The general manager
is not like the CEO of Starbucks in the sense
of in the NFL, if a head coach is extended,
that's because of the owner, not the GM. Now I'm
not saying clearly Jason likes him, and like you said,

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Todd's had success, but that is an ownership call. So like,
do I think Jason would fire him? Basically? Like why
would you? But it's more complicated than just if you
tell me. I'm just using a hypothetical. Obviously he's gonna
be good. But the first round pick from a Mecca

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Boku from Ohio State. I might have screwed up that name,
but everyone thinks he's gonna be good, Baker singing his praises.
I'm excited to watch him. I was just texting Jason
about him, that they love him. Let's just say he
was a bust and he sucks. Everyone would agree. That's
on the GM. Jason light would say that was on me. Right,
All the previous busts over the years in that organization

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since Jason's been there in twenty thirteen, are on him,
and he would be the first to tell you to
me head coaching situations. That's that's that's the owner. I
also think it's not like he's gonna fire him. So
I hear what you're saying, but I think it's more
complicated than just the GM extended because that's not totally

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how it works, right, Like Howie and Sirianni. Obviously Sirianni
wins the Super Bowl, we all agree, like Sirianni's not
as good as these other guys, right, But like Syriana
gets an extension, that's not like Howie doing the extension,
Like that's a Jeffrey Lurriy decision. So I think when
it comes to coaches and extensions or firings, not that

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the GM doesn't have influence good or bad, but they
are in control of that one. That's Those are expensive,
even for a quote unquote like Todd Bowles is, you know,
cheaper than the Tomlins and the mcveigh's and the Andy Reids,
still cost you probably twelve thirteen million dollars a year.
You know, it's it ain't cheap, big fan listening every

(12:34):
day landscaping here in Atlanta. So you're probably pretty hot
because I'm pretty sure it's muggy there. I got a
football question and a golf question. I'm a big Falcons fan,
and I think we have a lot of talent, but
I think Terry and Raheem are objectively underwhelming. Is it
possible to overcome them and succeed? How do caddies rank

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up from starting catting to catting for the pros? It's
a good question on the caddies. I think a lot
of times there's some element of luck catting in quote
unquote the minor leagues with the guy who then becomes
a really good player, and then once you get to
the quote unquote big leagues, you just kind of shuffle.
It's almost like, how does this guy keep getting opportunities
as a coordinator. It's like, well, once upon a time

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someone gave him a shot as a coordinator, and then
he just kind of cycles in and out. I think
it's very very difficult. If you gave Raheem morse and
he became the head coach of the Ravens. I think
it'd be hard for them not to not miss the playoffs, right,
they already have the infrastructure, the guys know how to win,
They already have some built in schemes. He could kind

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of be the raw rock guy in front, but when
he's the guy creating, like we've been winning seven games
a year, it's time to make the playoffs, like, it's
pretty underwhelming and I think it's hard to overcome that now.
The only way they could is Rahiem does not call
the offense. And I don't know Zach Robinson personally, and
it's hard to put it all on him. Cousins just

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I mean physically kind of fell apart last year as
the season went on. It was just objectively bad. And
I don't that to me is not on the coaching.
But if he's really good and Pennix is really good,
I think you could overcome an average GM and an
average head coach. But that's asking, Like, I mean, Penix
would have to be like a Pro Bowl guy like

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cant he throw thirty eight touchdowns? I don't know. I
hope So I love Michael Pennocks question for the bag.
It seems like a safe bet that Anthony Richson will
exit a game early in the season. If Daniel Jones
gets his shot and is half the season Sam Darnold
had last year, could you see the Colts winning a
playoff game. You know what's funny is I was watching

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Hard Knocks last night on the couch and if you
watch the first two episodes and when they do practice montage,
typically Hard Knocks is based on a shitty team, right,
and a lot of times they either have like a
young rookie quarterback or some veteran bridge quarterback, and it's
just an awful aesthetic experience city just watching it. It's like,

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this offense stinks. Remember Jared Goff did it last year. Caleb.
You can just tell it's like this is this is
gonna be weird. Watching Josh Allen play, You're like, this
is this is as good as it gets, just watching
him slinging around Anthony looking back at Anthony Richardson. And
you know, if you've listened to me for a while,
where I stand on drafting high and taking big swings.

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I never have a problem swinging for the fences. I
am pro in the high in the draft, swing for
the fences, because there is no such thing as a
high floor player. Daniel Jones was viewed as a high
floor player and for the most you know, relative to
the six overall pick, he's been a disaster. But they

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drafted Anthony Richardson, just like the Niners drafted Trey Lance.
Just like in the history of the league, a lot
of physical guys have been drafted. Josh Allen was one
as well, and they don't work out. For every Josh
Allen there are ten to fifteen absolute whiffs and instead
of hitting that grand Slam, you strike out. And to me,
Anthony Richardson, like Daniel Jones is starting Week one, I

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would be stunned sitting here after watching that situation unfold
in the first preseason game of him not knowing protections
and where free relief or free rushers are coming from.
Like it's over now. It doesn't mean Daniel Jones can
get hurt. Play poorly, doesn't mean he won't play. But
I wouldn't compare Daniel Jones to Sam Donald. Sam Donald

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is a much more talented player. Daniel Jones comp is
like Alex Smith. Sam Donald's comp is much more of
like a I mean, honestly, he's like a poor man's
Josh Allen he doesn't run like that, but he's got
an explosive arm, and he, like Daniel Jones, is not
some explosive thrower of the ball. His best season ever,
I think, was like fifteen touchdowns. So I guess they could,

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but I have a hard time seeing it work out,
Like might take a couple of days ago. Like I'm out.
I'm just out on this thing, and I think, if
you're betting man right now, I think it's going to
be a debacle. And I would say my gambling lock
of the year, my lock of the year is the
Texans winning that division. Big fan, fellow ball brother, My

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question for the pot is which of these three guys
had a higher peak Leveon Bell, Todd Gurley, David Johnson,
or Arian Foster. I feel like they all had particular
stretches when they were dominant. I mean, I think they
were all like all pro players. So I would say
was Todd Gurley the starting running back on the team

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that McVeigh took to the Super Bowl. Was David Johnson
was starting running back on a team that went to
the AFC Championship. Le'Veon was starting running back. I mean
they all played in a lot of playoff games. I
personally think when purely healthy, Gurley was the most talented
of the group. Arian Foster was just the ideal zone

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running scheme guy. I mean it just he was perfect
for the Lafleur Shanahan any you know what the Eagles do,
and there's any zone running team, he is the ideal
running back. Leveon was good with his own, but he
was kind of a hybrid. He could do both. His
style was so unique to me. Todd was just Todd

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was a pretty elite talent. I mean, the dude got
drafted tenth overall. The torn A cl and arian Aaran
was just some certain running backs are just specific scheme fits.
And to me, Arian has to play in the zone
and when he did. Gary Kubiak, Kyle Shanahan, We're gonna
run it right down your throat for the mailback this

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Carter ku Athletics that'd be Kansas announced three hundred million
dollar donation which will go toward athletics only confirmed by
a couple of different k reporters. With money like that
flowing into certain universities, is there a future where random
schools like US Texas Tech, Arkansas and ASU become national

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brands in household names in college football or do you
think that's going to be impossible? I think one. I mean,
we've seen it before. Oregon became a household name in
the Internet age behind Phil Knight in Nike, and they
are going to even take a bigger step. And I

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guess they have no chance to go anywhere as long
as Nike continues to back them. Right, Texas Tech is
trying to essentially do that same thing which Oklahoma State
did for a long time with Ta Boom pickings of like,
we're just going to buy a team. Obviously you couldn't
above board do it, but it was happening below board.
To me, it's more complicate. It's it's easier to wrangle

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twenty five thousand dollars in cash together to get a
recruit than it is to get Hey, we want these
five guys. It's going to cost us two million dollars
on average four hundred thousand dollars a guy in real
money that we pay them in direct deposits on a
monthly basis. Like that, that's much more complicated than handing
a guy a briefcase or a bag of cash, and

(20:34):
so to elevate like it's you can have a really
really successful mom and pop restaurant, right that does really
well even smaller margins. In the restaurant business, you can
be very financially successful if you're one of the ten
percent of restaurant tours that in a city develops the
number one restaurant. It's always packed and you make money,
which is very difficult to do. It is much more

(20:58):
difficult from a capital standpoint to run a national business
a retail store that's in like ten different states. Right,
You just you just got more people working for It's
just more complicated and it takes more money, and it
takes more support. Like you gotta get bank loans, just
a lot moving on. You got to get investors, whereas
a restaurant tour maybe you got fifty grand to put

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on the down payment front and then just kind of
go from there and figure it out. And again I'm
not trying to downplay, but there's a difference trying to
compete with Walmart or Target than there is to like
just create a restaurant in downtown. So like that's kind
of the college athletics to bounce. And I said, this
is Josh pat the other day when Alabama's ad put
out a tweet asking for help. You just that's a problem.

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You know who's not doing that, Texas Tech because they
got a billionaire supporting them, Arkansas. So yes, I think
we will one million percent see a couple new programs
over the course of the next decade, their addition to
the national landscape of just being maybe not they're going
to become Ohio state overnight, but like they're just in

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the mix for the next ten years, in the top
fifteen to twenty every single year, and they're gonna make
the playoffs a couple times. So yes, I would. I
would not put ASU with Arkansas and Texas Tech. I mean,
Arkansas and Texas Tech have big, big money. ASU is
not remotely close on that level. I mean last year
Kenny Dillingham was begging people for donations. I have no

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idea if you'll see this, but if you do, message
this is for the pod. This is not for the pod,
but to get your thoughts. I'll just read this out.
I won't say your name. I love your show and
would love to start my own podcast as a way
to one day make a living. I enjoy my nine
to five, but it's not something I'm passionate about what
I love doing is talking sports, especially football, with my buddies.

(22:53):
I would love to start a podcast that has the
vibe guys just talking ball with a mix of bounce takes,
hot takes, fan bias, and outside perspective. The problem is
I have no actual football experience. I didn't even play
high school football. But man, I love watching it, listen
to it, and talking about it. I would love to
make my work that you're in the business, what do
you like and what do you not like about this?

(23:18):
I would say this, there has never been an easier
time in your situation to figure out a way to
get involved in the world of just talking about sports.
This stuff when I got into it, hell a decade ago,
didn't really exist. You have YouTube, you have Instagram, you
have TikTok. Like you don't need to start of just

(23:39):
like I have a podcast that one hundred thousand people
listen to. Just create a TikTok account or an Instagram
account or a YouTube page and just kind of start
throwing your ideas out there. Record some of your podcasts,
clip it up, make it a side project, and just
see if you can figure out a way to kind
of hone in on what works and what doesn't work.
Who cares if anyone's listen. You already have a job,

(24:01):
so just make it a side hustle. At first, most
side hustles don't make any money, and then if you
ever gained some traction, you can spend a little more
effort and energy doing it. But like you can order
equipment off Amazon, you can just get a Logitech camera
and put it above your your laptop and just start

(24:22):
recording stuff and post it to the social channels and
just mess around and then just figure out, like how
much you actually like it, because now you can't be
down on yourself about how many people listen or interact
like it takes time. You know, it's like coward just
didn't start on Fox Sports one with a show a

(24:43):
podcast company doing all this stuff. You can start doing
it when no one was paying attention in the eighties, right,
Dan Patrick started when no one was paying attention, well
before he ever gotten ESPN or whoever, right, And most
people aren't Pat McAfee or whatever that have a built
in like I played in the NFL. So you just
you gotta start from scratch and just start swinging your pick.

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But you get to a point like, if you really
want to try this, it's not You already have a
way to make money. Start small and just see where
it goes. I'm twenty four year old Falcons fan, and
ever since Super Bowl losses fell like a nightmare, trusting
Mariota Desmond Ritter wasn't exactly comforting, But last year Kirk
Cousins actually gave me some of the best football memories

(25:25):
in years, Like the Bucks on Thursday Night Football in
the Eagles two Minute Drive, I like grahem, love our
recent draft, and I'm really intrigued by Zach Robinson. I
agree the staff is only in year two, so I
know it takes time to fully establish a system. Maybe
it's just wishful thinking, but is it crazy to believe
that Pennix could have a Mahomes type arc, sit behind

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a solid vet, get a few reps, and then blow up.
In year two, we got a good old line, we
have weapons, and the defense is younger and improving. What
are the odds pulls us into the playoffs? If you're
a playoff team, that means I would make I mean,
I think the Bucks are winning ten games, so you
probably have to win eleven or twelve to win the division.

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I guess you could make a wild card at ten.
That means Penix has a good year. And if Pennix
has a good year, like you're gonna be in a
good spot and moving forward. Now, I think this is
what we talked about with Anthony Richardson being compared to
Josh Allen. It's like we need the next Josh Allen. Like, no,
don't think like that, because that's never happen. It happened
in basketball forever. This guy's the next Draymond Green. Now

(26:27):
there's one Draymond Green. There's never gonna be another guy
that's six foot five that can play defense like that
passingerribble that doesn't really happen. He's an outlier player. Josh Allen,
all these physical gifts, wasn't very good in college. Couldn't
even get a Division one scholarship. People thought the fucking
Bills were nuts for drafting them. It's like that that's
an outliershit. Usually that guy sucks, right, And the thing

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with Pennix is like multi year starter, took Washington to
the Natty dominated Like he's a legitimate, like plug and
play player. Now, how good I hope he's good. I
enjoy watching him play. But comparing him to Mahomes, I mean,
didn't Mahomes as his first year starting, throw fifty touchdowns.

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Didn't he win the MVP? I think that's his style
is a lot different than Penis too. I mean Penix
is a pocket quarterback. Pennix is more He's much closer
to like a Jared Goff, like the way he wants
to play. Mahomes first year in the NFL as a
full time starter, he threw fifty touchdowns. So I would

(27:33):
say Pennix stars thirty, y're in pretty good shape. I
think we got to be very careful of like this
happens a lot during the draft, Like, you know, this
guy reminds me of Miles Garrett. You know who this
tight end, George Kittle? Like no guy. None of these guys,
like two of these first rounders are going to be

(27:55):
Pro Bowlers. Actually, most of the good players are gonna
come from the other rounds. That's out. It usually works
unless this is an outlier draft when a bunch of
Pro Bowlers come from the first round, which doesn't happen
as often as you think. I feel, like many people
this is from I think Xander Dander Shoffley, not Xander Shoffley.
But I feel like many people are riding off the
Lions because they're losing both coordinators. But I would argue

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that the addition of all the defensive players that were
injured last year being back is a bigger gain than
a loss of the coordinators. Hutchinson looked like the best
rusher in the league to start last season, and him
and ten other guys are coming back from injury. They
won fifteen games last year with an injured team. Why
can't they win twelve or thirteen with all these players back.
I totally agree. I'm just trying to beat off the

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just off the main path a little bit. So why
I'm taking the Packers right. You guys have won the
division what the last two years. Obviously you got a
lot of talent. The offense is loaded, I think defensively,
if you got the Jimmies and the Joe's and you
got one of the best edge rushers, you got some
young players. Brian Branch really player, You've drafted a bunch

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of DB's the last couple of years. Scheme matters, But
like the infrastructure you hired from within, Like I bet
they're pretty solid on defense if they're healthy. Even with
Aaron Glenn leaving to me offense. We all know this, Like,
when you lose a coordinator, especially an elite coordinator, there
can be a massive drop off, even if the players
are the same. I think that's where you get, like

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Ben Johnson to Johnny Morton, Like, why hasn't Johnny Morton
been a dominant offensive coordinator threat his lead career? Everyone
keeps telling me how great of a guy is. I'm
not just or I mean coach he is. I'm sure
he's a great guy. Like I don't know, like Ben
Johnson is, I mean one of the best offensive coordinators
we've seen recently. It's like I got Gruden, I got

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Dan Campbell, I got Sean Page, Like I love Johnny Morton.
It's like, well, why didn't you guys make him your
offensive coordinator more often? How many times is Johnny Morton?
So I guess what I'm saying is he's the guy
that makes me nervous. So he's offensive coordinator right now.
He was the pass game coordinator the last couple years

(30:06):
of the Broncos. He was there obviously in twenty two
with Dan Campbell's talked about this bringing him back as
a senior offensive consultant. He was the Jets offensive coordinator
in twenty seventeen. He was a wide receiver coach for
a long time with the Niners, and then the same
I just that to me, I'd be more nervous about
than the defense. They just maintained the same thing. Like

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does he run the exact same verbiage and offense that
Ben Johnson did? He's clearly not the same. And Ben Johnson,
I mean pretty you just watch him talk like cerebral,
smart guy. Johnny Martin's got a little more like football
guy vibe. I saw you came out to bowling Brook
for the liv golf tournament. How did you like bowling Brook?

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Also based off the offseason move, do you think nine
wins for the Bears is realistic? Have a real expectations
for them, but don't want to expect too much, you know. Besides,
I just the first hole in the eighteenth hole didn't
I didn't walk the course, so it looked like a
pretty cool venue. Definitely, it was sweet being in the
little literally in the suite, drinking beers, having some food.

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But I don't have a great feel for the course,
beside watching them hit down hole one in approach eighteen,
I would say, on the Bears, if you tell me
they go by five hundred above five hundred, I would say,
Caleb's you feel pretty good about Caleb moving forward and
you just got some positive momentum. To me, the number

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one key for this team is like, do you feel
good at the end of the year. And that would
be impossible if you win three, four or five games,
But could you win eight nine games and be like
we had the top two or three or four defense
in the league. And I mean, Denna sounds a really
good defensive coach, and the offense is pretty hit or miss.

(31:57):
I think you would much rather choose. You know, our
defense was pretty hit or miss, but our offense was
awesome with Ben Johnson and Kalem. You could argue that's
the only thing that matters, is like you feel good,
your head coach likes the quarterback and the quarterback looks good.
That to me is more important than you know, you're
not winning the Super Bowl. You know you're gonna win
a playoff game, probably not either, but like, does your

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quarterback look good? A lot of Falcons fans for the
bag as a Falcons fan, I want to get your
opinion on Raheem. He doesn't call the plays on defense,
doesn't call the plays on offense, So what is his
role other than being the vocal leader. Time management is
clearly not one of his strong suits, which is evident
from the Falcons commander's game last year, along with clock

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management early in the season. In fairness to Raheem, he
is no different than a lot of coaches. Be Harbob
Brothers do not call the offense, do not call the defense.
Pete Carroll does not all the offense, does not call
the defense. Dan Campbell not call the offense. There are
a ton of quote unquote CEO head coaches in the NFL,
A ton right for every McVeigh and Kyle and even

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I guess Andy and Sean Payton. Most guys are not
doing that. Vrabel doesn't call the offense, doesn't call the defense.
Todd Bowles ain't called the defense anymore, or does he.
That might be a bad example, but to me, it's
more about like the structure of what you're looking for,
and that's what the Hardbob Brothers have shined at. That's

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what Dan Campbell is like, broke the lions through with
can he do that? Because just being the CEO of
a company, Like think about the CEO of most most
like successful companies. They're not like Starbucks hired the dude
from Chipotle. Well guess what, he ain't making the burritos
at Chipotle when Starbucks hires him, Like he ain't pouring

(33:45):
the coffee, right, He's not running an individual store. You
are doing macro visionary things for the company. It's no
different as a CEO and coach. So like, do you
know what you're doing? Because there have been a lot
of CEO that, like, God, I really like this guy.
He wasn't very good at a job, and you just
have to wonder, like is this guy actually a number two?

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And there are just a lot of those guys like
Robert Solid probably just number two, Vick Fangio number two.
And I've said this forever. If you're gonna be at
number two, there are a lot of industries where being
the number two there's a big paid decrease and you're
not even making that much money. In the NFL, being
the number two, which means being the defensive coordinator if

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you're a him, pays like four or five million dollars,
and you bear no responsibility when people get in trouble,
when people get injured. There's so many pressures that are
not on you. And I've said this forever, even about
Ben Johnson. Is like, until you get into the firing
lines and all of a sudden, a defensive player gets
a dui, an offensive player that was your star snaps

(34:50):
his leg, a head coach's wife gets sick. You know,
all this stuff going on, all that pressure is on you.
That's where it's like, you know, now we're gonna learn
about Dan Campbell. You know what I know, Dan Campbell
can handle the pressure. I've seen it now schematically, are
they good enough? That to me is the question. But
in terms of Dan Campbell handling guys getting injured, guys

(35:12):
getting arrested, guys getting flagged, guys whatever, unfaced, I have
full faith like he can handle being a CEO. We
know the hardballs, the Pete Carroll's like those guys we
saw Robert Solid try to be a CEO. Wasn't because
you know what most CEOs need, they need a lot
of experience because getting thrust in the main chair. It's

(35:33):
where Sean McVeigh obviously it was difficult, but like he
got to just kind of focus on calling the offensive plays.
He had Wade Phillips calling the defense, and it's like
he could kind of be tunnel vision earlier in his career,
which now he's able to balance both. But raheem like
the pressure on them because they spend a bunch of
money on Kirk Cousins. The least is pretty short. It's

(35:54):
why I think if they miss the playoffs, I think
everyone's gonna get fired. The owner's old they bungled the
quarterback situation that they didn't have to do so, I
you know, based on paying I mean, their backup makes
twenty eight million dollars. What was your takeaway from Pete
Carroll's first game. I know they started the first half slow,

(36:14):
but came back in the second half and blocked the
field goal from winning. I'd be lying if I said
I watched much of that game. I remember sitting on
my couch watching the first first couple drives and like
it was a preseason game, I didn't care. I listen Coward.
One of his first takes when he got back from
vacation was Dan Campbell and the Lions were in trouble

(36:37):
because they lost their two coordinators and he could tell
on the Hall of Fame game, like I disagree with
making judgments based on the preseason most of these games.
And listen, my take on Shador Sanders is not that
based on that performance in the first preseason game that
he's a future star. My take was simply like the
head coach better be careful because the momentum is already

(36:59):
against what he wants to do an on shed or side.
But making plays against second and third string players is
what you want to do as a player. But that
does not guarantee, let alone even translate always to the
regular season because it's a completely different sport. There's no
we're not scheming up against anybody, So preseason is really

(37:20):
just effort, energy and what does what do your backups
look like? Right from a talent standpoint, So the judging
Pete Carroll off the preseason game, to me is irrelevant.
Like Pee Carroll is twenty five plus years of showing
you what he brings to the table. I'd be very

(37:41):
excited to go from I think, you know, Pete Carroll's
resume is a lot longer than verable. But I'll never
forget And I was when I left the NFL and
I went into radio. I was around the hardball and
they fired Jim Harbaugh and they went to Jim Tomsula.
I'm very, very confident it is the worst drop off

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in the history of the NFL. Jim harbought of Jim
Tom Suwa. I don't think they'll ever be a drop
off in a gap that big between two players. It'd
be like going from you know, Tom Brady to Brian Hoyer.
I mean, this is the gap. Couldn't be any bigger, right,
And I think on the opposite end, going from Girodmeo

(38:23):
to Vrabel and Antonio appears to Pete Carroll, that's on
the that's the opposite end of like ascending up. So
how good they're gonna be Listen, I don't know if
they're talented enough to like win nine games, but they
are gonna be way better. And Pete Carroll, we know
he knows what he's doing now. I do think there

(38:43):
are some question marks, Like Chip Kelly's got a lot
of friends in the media. You know, for a grumpy
old guy, he's sneaky, pretty good with the media, and
everyone loves him. It's like, we sure it's gonna work.
I've seen Pete Carroll in the NFL, or excuse me,
I've seen Chip Kelly in the NFL and it did
not work. Now has he adapted his scheme changed, It's
gonna be a lot different. I would say the Raiders,

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and this is no one's fault, but like, they don't
have great wide receivers. Now they got Brock Bauers, who's
a stud. You know, Jacoby Meer is a good player.
But you know, I wouldn't say this is exactly Jordan
justin Jefferson, Jordan Adison rolling out there. So I think
you're gonna have limitations, especially what Pete came from in
Ohio State, or I mean, excuse me, I get Pete

(39:26):
and Chip mixed up. But what Chip was dealing with
in Ohio State, which he had a first round wide
receiver who went to the Bucks. He has this other
wide receiver would have been a top five pick this year.
He had two running backs who both went in the
top thirty five. His left tackle has a had a
blown out knee and was drafted in the first round.

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I mean, the talent on Ohio State was stupid. So
it's gonna be a lot different. I'm just I just
not really into chips offense in the pros when you
can't stack stack the deck. So I think that's the
big question mark with the Raiders. I think defensively, I
think energy, effort, I think focus like they're gonna be
a serious NFL operation. Are you gonna do another top

(40:10):
ten Coaches in the League video like you did last year.
I'm not sure what the numbers were, but it seemed
like it was a big hit. I'm curious to see
if guys like Sean Payton make it on the list
a year after being omitted last year, and does Kevin
O'Connell get a spot. That's a good idea. Actually, let
me take a little note. I think we did something
last year for social and it flew up. I would

(40:33):
say that both those guys would be on the list. Yes,
I mean, listen, Sean Payton's one of the best coaches
in the league. There's no disputing that it was just hard.
After the Russell Wilson situation, they had a game where
they gave up seventy points. So last I did not
see that coming last year. I did not blew me away,
And listen, I'm critical of Kevin O'Connell, because I think

(40:56):
it's fair to be like why doesn't Lamar play better
in the playoffs? Right? Like why doesn't Kevin O'Connell coach
better in the playoffs? Like that's a fair happens in
basketball all the time with like what's up with James
Harden in the playoffs? What's up with it? Like why
doesn't Joel Embiid suck in the playoffs? Like you can
ask these questions, and no one likes to ask these questions.

(41:16):
That's all I'm doing. Like I've never acted like I
wouldn't want Kevin O'Connell as my coach. But he's had
a couple of playoff games with teams that won twelve
and like fourteen games. We lost them both as favorites.
That happens, that's a fact. I'm not funer opaion. Why

(41:48):
is nobody talking about the obvious issue with the NFL
having equity in ESPN? It's a complete conflict of interest.
How can I trust the journalistic integrity of ESPN's content?
For context, I'm a CPA, an auditor in public accounting,
and I must remain independent at all times from my clients.
My independence must be both in fact, I cannot own

(42:12):
stock equity and in appearance, I can't take favors, tickets, gifts.
The NFL ESPN deal doesn't have either. That's because they're
not in the journalist business. Journalism, I would say, is
dying a hard death. And I think a big reason
why is we can't monetize it like we once could.

(42:32):
We used to be able to monetize a lot of
things that came with ESPN. ESPN the magazine, ESPN, the website.
Those don't matter as much anymore. You know what does
the games, which equate to all of the revenue for
ESPN and bring the value. It's why they spent all
this money on the NBA, and it's why they spend
all this money on the NFL. You know why, because

(42:54):
they want those properties on their and same with college
football and college basketball. They want the games. That's the
business they're in. They don't care about someone writing an
article about Roger Goodell doesn't make them any money. And
they're not in the charity business. They're in the profit business.
So there's a reason why. About a decade ago, when

(43:14):
the written word started to slow down and a lot
of big j's got really mad, it's like, guys, the
reason newspapers dominated for so long is they were an
advertising distribution network. Well as humans stopped buying the newspapers,
newspapers didn't generate the same amount of money and didn't

(43:34):
have the same power, so they started laying you off.
They didn't lay you off because they hate the written word.
It just didn't profit anymore. ESPN their top shows non
games are like get up in first Take that have
nothing to do with journalism. I've seen a lot of people,
and I think the media cares about this way more.

(43:55):
I understand where you're coming from, because you're in this
world of conflicts of interest. You know what? The only
interest for ESPN iss how do we get more? And
but in bed with the NFL, how do we get
more games? How do we get a super Bowl? How
do we get more NFL? That's the business they're in
that they're not worried about. Hey, Seth Wickersham, who is

(44:15):
good what he can and can't write? That's completely irrelevant.
It just is so the days of like, and I've
seen a lot of people, what's gonna happen with the
journalistic integrity? Do you just see what they're talking about?
On First Take, like where's the journalistic integerty, Like what
were we even talking about? Is all entertainment and they

(44:37):
are in the business of getting involved in getting the games,
so you do whatever it takes to get the games.
I also think the NFL, for the most part, they
don't get mad at people talking about individual teams and
honestly even the individual owners. The only time ESPN had trouble,

(44:58):
which rightfully so, they had a lot of journalists rooting
for football to go under. I mean that was a fact.
I mean football is the biggest sport, it's the most
profitable sport, even at the time, and there were a
lot of people on their network rooting for it to
basically go bankrupt essentially, and Bill Simmons got in trouble

(45:18):
going after Goodell. So when you go after the individual
commissioner or the health of the league. But like you
can rip on the coaches and players as much as
you want, I mean, First Take does it every day.
No one cares. So I actually don't think anything's really
gonna change from what ESPN has been. But if journalism
was more important to the consumer, newspapers would still be thriving.

(45:41):
But they're not, you know, so I think that's overblown.
I guess would my overall take be about ESPN's responsibility
to journalism. And let's be real, most listen, I respect
like being a journalist and doing it the right way
is really difficul But I would say that most journalists

(46:03):
have become activists. So you could argue that a lot
of journalism what used to be twenty thirty years ago,
has died. Got me entertained by golf. I'm from Houston,
but I grew up a Packer fan. Thoughts on Texans
versus Packers in the Super Bowl. I think the Texans

(46:24):
defense is going to be elite. I think their defense
is going to be so good now the only question
is going to be the offensive coordinator. Can c J
bounce back? If their offense is solid, they're gonna be
pretty good. Obviously the Packers are going you know, Love's hurt.
I think is Jayden Reid hurt? They got some injuries
right now, it's August thirteenth. I'm pretty high on the Packers.

(46:46):
I'm gonna bet them to I'm gonna do like I
was looking at this the other day, I'm gonna do
a couple different parlays and my go tos are gonna
consistently be the Packers to win that division at plus
two fifty, and the Texans are my lock. So the
Texans at plus one ten are my anchor. And then
I'm gonna do like multiple different parlays with the Packers.

(47:07):
I might even throw the Vikings in there too, the
Niners to win the division, the Broncos and the Chiefs
to win the division. I'm gonna mess with a couple
of those, but I'm going to anchor on the Houston
Texans at plus one ten. If you said right now,
you have to throw an uncomfortable amount of money on
one team in the NFL to win the division, and

(47:28):
they can't have like minus odds like the Bills or
the Ravens, right, can't do that, or the Eagles. I
can't bet on those teams. You got to bet a
team that is plus odds, right, it wouldn't even be
a hesitation to be the Houston Texas. I think they
win that division by several games. Were you around for
Super Bowl fifty and I know what the right and

(47:50):
I want to know what the right way is to
experience this upcoming Super Bowl sixty in the Bay Area
I'm from northern California and would love to go to
the home. Would love to go home to experienced the event.
If the Niners aren't in the show. Hopefully the actual
SF city gets involved in, not just Santa Clara. I did.
I did my radio show from Radio Row. All the

(48:13):
events will be in San Francisco. The only thing in
Santa Clara was the games, and I think a team
stayed down there and they practice like San Jose. But
the super Bowl experience, which was really well done in
the Convention Center, like right in downtown San Francisco on
like Third Street. It's like Third and I forget the
other cross street. I haven't been downtown in years, but

(48:36):
it's like three or four streets south of Market. Yeah,
it's cool. I mean, it's a cool experience. I would
recommend it if you want to go to the Super
Bowl experience. It's just fun. It's just easy event to
just kind of walk around and kind of take it
all in. I actually went to that game as well.

(48:59):
The super Bowl. The game is the game is much
more like a corporate experience. I would say the whole
week it's just like a corporate event. It is like
a corporate Football convention for the fans and the partners.
It's not if you go like Chiefs Bills right in
an AFC championship game or regular season game or Eagles Washington,

(49:22):
wherever that game is being played. It's about the football
and the purity of trying to win and the fans
all there. The Super Bowl is not really like that
Super Bowl's I feel like it's the NFL's way to
say thank you to all their partners. So the reason
I went to the game was because I was there
with my cousin who worked in the beer business. So

(49:45):
that's where we got our tickets from, Like Miller course,
you know, it's most of the tickets, and most of
the people were not like, you know, it's Broncos Panthers.
But it didn't feel like some huge contingent of you know,
it wasn't like fifty to fifty Broncos. That's not what
it's like. So it's just the games unique. But that

(50:07):
that week, especially Thursday, Friday, Saturday, are pretty cool. And
I was there in Vegas too. I mean, shit, I've
been to I've only been to the game once, but
I've been to Miami, I've been to Vegas, I've been
to New Orleans, so it's cool. It's fun. Uh In.
Congrats on your success moving to Kelly love hearing your

(50:29):
investments you're into. Do we think? Someone asked me the
other day because I had made a comment about like, hey,
I'm investing in this one stock that is not very pretty,
but if it hits somebody to be really rich. It
was open Door, which I'm still in. I've actually added more.
I had a day where I was down seventy five
percent and within a week that stock was up one

(50:51):
hundred percent. It's the craziest shift, and I have a
sizable chunk of money relative to my net worth in
the stock. I didn't sell a penny, but riding that
I was actually insecure to brag about it, because at
the time, I think I was minus seventy eight percent
when I opened up stock, probably a month ago or

(51:12):
two months whenever I brought it up, and I had
a couple of people like, what was the what's that
stock you're in that you think it hit big? I
was not confident enough to even mention it to anyone
else because it could have gone to zero. But I
was like, I'm fucking I'm like Chris Ballard hoping anti hoping,
Anthea Richardson is the next Josh Allen with open door
and then all of a sudden, I don't know if
it was in the meme craze, the the uh short Squeeze.

(51:37):
It's one of the craziest seeing the amount of money
I was down to the amount of money I was up,
but I was like, hey, I was in this for
the long haul to try to get a twenty exer,
not just a one exer. But then it came down
and I'm basically up like ten percent now. But it
was it was a fun little ride. I would have
sold if I would have been for early to like,

(51:58):
I've been doing this long enough to kind of be
numb to that. And I thought about him, like, should
I just take a look some little cash spending money?
Do we think Trayvon Henderson has a shot to be
the next Gibbs? Did you see his first touchdown ever?
Win for a touchdown? Listen, He's a home run hitter.
You get that dude in open grass. He can fly.
I think here's the thing with Gibbs. Gibbs as good

(52:19):
at everything. He can run inside, he can run off tackle,
and he is elite at catching the ball. So the
way to be Gibbs is you basically have to be
able to do it all. And you know, I would
imagine Vrabel and those guys now with a month into
training camp, have a better idea how he is out

(52:41):
of the backfield catching the football. But I'd also say
that looking at his he had twenty seven catches last year.
He had twenty seven catches as a rookie, So he
can catch the ball. We know that Josh McDaniels loves
throwing the ball to you know, they had how many
running backs they have over the years with Brady that

(53:01):
they passed to a lot out of the backfield. I mean, hell,
probably six seven years ago, maybe even less, I played
golf in the Bay Area with Shane Vereen. He was
working at the Pac twelve network, and I probably for
nine of the eighteen holes, I was just peppering him
with McDaniels, Belichick, Brady grownk questions. I mean, he was

(53:22):
really really good and then he got a big contract
to go to the Giants. Then he got injured. But
he he's a good example. He was really good out
of the backfield. He was excellent in the open field
as a runner. So if you can catch the ball
with Josh McDaniels in that offense. We know that vraybeloffs
running backs. I don't see why he couldn't be an
excellent player like Gibbs. He's really fast. Yeah, I mean,

(53:44):
i'd be pretty bullish on the guy. He's a home
run hitter, so I'd say that's what him and Gibbs
Sharon common. These past few weeks, I've seen quite a
bit of media segments dedicated yet again to brock Perty.
Of course, it's always polarizing if he goes for something
in the realm of four thousand yards, twenty eight touchdowns,
twelve one seasons. Do you think pundits in big audience

(54:05):
legacy media shows will start to finally credit him as
an undisputed top twelve quarterback. I even saw in Sando's
quarterback tiers that Dak Prescott was above him. Jordan Love
was as well, which Rock Purty's had a better start
to his career than Jordan Love. That's not really debatable. Yeah,
if you wanted to argue that Jordan loves more physical

(54:26):
traits and you're betting on the physical traits this year,
it's like I could hear that argument, but based on
the evidence, Rock Perty's been a better player in Jordan
Love and it's not even arguable when it comes to
Dak Prescott, I mean, one of the all time meltdown
guys in the playoffs. But one of the quotes in
there was why do we keep talking about the drafts
and his draft status? It's over years ago. All this

(54:48):
guy does is make plays on the field, and I
just think that it's And they also compared him to Baker.
Baker's more physically gifted from an arm strength standpoint, but
this coach said that he thought that Party is just
better anticipatory thrower and sees it a little bit better,
pretty really good. Yet everyone shits on him because and

(55:08):
if Perty was the third overall pick and have been
Trey Lance and Trey Lance is just Donill Brock Party,
everyone would be saying the guy's the top six seven
quarterback in the league. Five to six quarterback. Ben said
he's the last pick in the draft. Everyone says too short,
he's arm sucks. Kyle Shitnan. Same thing with Jalen Hurts,
and I saw a bunch of people like God, Jalen

(55:28):
Hurts is behind CJ. Stroud and Justin Herbert. I do
not understand why people get so caught up on this.
At the end of the day, football is a team game.
And if you're an Eagles fan, would you rather have
Joe Burrow in the like in the Bengals season, Well, hey,
everyone annoints my quarterback is one of the best players
in the league, My team goes nine wins, my quarterback
throws forty five touchdowns. Or would you rather be the

(55:50):
Eagles where everyone's like, hey, maybe he's a top ten quarterback,
but we have the best team in the league and
he won the Super Bowl? Like this, This isn't fucking
tennis or golf. It's a team game. So same thing
with brock Perty Last time I checked, Joe Montana, had
Ronnie Lott playing defense, had Charles Haley rushing the passer,
threw it to Jared Rice, handed to Roger Craig. Had

(56:13):
you know, some pretty good players Dwight Clark, you know,
barreling down the scene, Like it's hard to be a
good player at quarterback, Like ask Patrick Mahomes what it
was like to be a rookie throwing do Travis Kelcey
and Tyreek Hill probably didn't suck. If you could have
beers with one person currently employed by an NFL team,

(56:34):
who would it be? Can't be a player, coach, or executive,
someone you've met before or never met before. Oh, it
can be a coach or an executive. Just someone you
think would be a lot of fun and an interesting hang. Well,
I think you'd have to go. You'd have to take
make two decisions. If you're gonna go a player, you'd
have to go quarterback. And I'm pretty confident if I

(56:55):
spend time with someone, especially in that setting. I always
thought this when I was single, I could punch above
my weight. The hardest thing for me to do with
the beautiful girl was to get the date. If I
got the date, like we were always gonna, I was
gonna be okay right a home. I had on personality,
but I was never gonna look like Tom Brady walking
in the room. But if you got me the one

(57:16):
on one and like went out to dinner like, it's
gonna be successful. If I wanted to be I was
that confident in my ability. I wasn't always confident like
sometimes it was hard to get that like her to
be like whether in a bar situation, whether it be
especially you know, internet dating, Like I'm I'm not Brad
pitt here, I would say the same thing in that situation.

(57:38):
So if you gave me a one on one over
beers like we're gonna get build a relationship and have friendship. Right,
So it would be either a if you're gonna pick
a coach you would want. Luckily, I already I already
know some guys, but it would be a guy I
didn't know, and a guy is gonna have a lot
of success, right. I don't know Shanahan, but Shandy is
not a big, like bullshit hang out with the media guy, right,

(58:00):
So even if I got in that situation, I think
it would be a tough nut to crack. I think
the two guys would be if it was a coach.
Kevin O'Connell, who listen, I've been hard on him, but
Andy Reid didn't win a Super Bowl to he was
like twenty plus years in the league. So it's like,
who's to say Kevin O'Connell couldn't have like a twenty
year run of being a great coach and Sean McVay
already has one, but like he's forty years old, he's

(58:21):
not going away, and even if he pivoted to, like,
I don't know, be the analyst from Monday Night Football,
he'd just be a good guy to have. So'd probably
one of those two guys. From a coaching standpoint, if
you went quarterback, you would say, well, why would I
overthink this. I could just pick Mahomes because he's not

(58:41):
going away, his team's not going away. He's one of
the most famous athletes in the world, I guess in America,
but like in the sport that we talk about here,
So you could go him. You could go like I
go Jayden Daniels and go, well, what if he just
becomes I mean, the next superstar, little risky could also

(59:01):
just like could have a step back year then maybe solid,
but he's never like a superstar. I think I'd probably
it would either be probably Mahomes or one of those
two coaches would probably be my final answer. I guess
it could go Josh Allen. You would want a player

(59:22):
who was gonna and it'd have to be a quarterback,
was gonna be around for a long time and be
a good personality, good interview guy you want to be.

(59:49):
In your opinion, what are the odds a team successfully
trades for Tanner McKey of the Eagles this season. I'm
an Eagles fan, so I'm biased, but every time the
kid touches the field, he looks like a starter. I
just would not trade him if I was Philadelphia because
and how he's talked about this. No team in NFL
history has benefited more from the uh. I can't spell

(01:00:14):
his name McKee from the backup quarterback, right, I mean,
Jalen's not a backup quarterback obviously, but he was drafted
to be a backup quarterback, and then they went too
Super Bowls with him one to one. They also won
another super Bowl with the backup quarterback. So Tanner McKee,
what year was he drafted? Twenty three? So twenty three
twenty four he got him un a contract for two

(01:00:36):
more years. I don't I wouldn't even give him up
for a second round pick. What if Jalen just like
broke his leg? I mean, what if something happened, like
you could feel like you could keep winning with Tanner McKee.
So to me, you wouldn't entertain trading him till next
year when it's like, well he's not we're not going
to extend him, So you trade him, I think, you

(01:00:57):
keep him, I think, and he's staying on my team,
and then you try to flip maybe next year. But
I'm not giving up Tanner McKee. And I'd be stunned
of how he did now if someone offered you a
first round pick right now, It's like, this doesn't get
much better than that. But I don't think that's on
the table, and a lot of teams don't necessarily need quarterbacks.

(01:01:19):
But I I don't know if I could do it,
you know. And I think the parallel probably to Tanner
McKee would be Matt schob when he was in Atlanta
and Jimmy Garoppolo when he was in San Francisco. So
his value to the Eagles right now because listen, they
had Carson Wentz fall off a cliff, and they had,

(01:01:39):
you know, for Jalen to come in, and they had
Carson Wentz tearor his acl So they've been they've seen
it multiple ways. You just never know. Now Jalen, I
don't think it's gonna fall off a cliff playing wise,
but shit, the way I mean, he's a runner, he'd
get injured. He's miss games before, so I would not
I would not trade him right now unless I got

(01:01:59):
the first round pick, which you're not kidding right now,
But like, what about next offseason? What if the Raiders
give you a second you know might be a bad example,
but some team whoever, that is question for you. My
wife and I are going to Scottsdale in November. Any
suggestions on places to eat or things to do? We
will be near TPC Scottsdale. I know you are answered

(01:02:21):
this a couple of times. I would say The Princess
has pretty cool open bar. They have a really good
restaurant called La Hacienda in the Prince is the hotel
on the backside of TBC Scottsdale. It's hard to beat
the really good steakhouses Dominick's which is in Kierland, and Mastros,

(01:02:43):
which is kind of up the street from TBC Scottsdale,
which are just elite steakhouses. If you wanted like a
hole in the wall guy Fiery Diners, Drivings and dives
Toom's thumb, is this barbecue joint in a gas station.
It's incredible. I get Thanksgiving hated from there. It's elite.
So I'd say Dominic's, Mastros, Lascienda slash the princess bar

(01:03:07):
and thomps thumb. Okay, last question. First, is an average golfer,
I'm curious what type of games, if any, games you
play on the course. Scramble is fun if you're not
worried about your own score. Two verse two. We do
this game where you kind of if you're playing four guys,
you rotate every three holes with a different partner. You
also play junk like Birdie's outside putts of the flagstick

(01:03:31):
up and downs from the sand closer to the pen,
stuff like that, which is a pretty easy game. I mean,
when I play my brother, we just play a straight
up like match play if I'm doing a one on one.
I haven't done a scramble in a long time. Just
by following your podcast for a while, it seems like
most of your connections nowadays are within the Niners, Eagles, Chiefs.
If give an opportunity, which organization would you want to

(01:03:54):
be involved in the front off decision making for the
next five to ten years. Chiefs seems to be the
obvious answer, But when thinking about Andy's age, Eagles youth,
Kyle's youth so on, it gets like a tougher decision. Yeah,
I mean, I'd look at it from the standpoint of
those three organizations are just in a way, they're just

(01:04:20):
all well run, you know. I think the Eagles in
the forty nine ers, financially, I think they put out
like the top twenty teams or whatever their valuations, which
if the Lakers win for ten billion dollars, the Cowboys,
the Giants, the forty nine Ers, I mean, these are
fifteen twenty billion dollar franchise the Eagles would sell for

(01:04:43):
more than the Lakers. And that's not like I'm not
acting like the Lakers aren't some big time brand, but
the power of the NFL, the revenue streams, and I
think the money that Andy and Mahomes now have made
Clark Hunt in the value of that franchise over the
last six seven years, they're just all Like I know
John Lynch, like I've met him before, I've had him

(01:05:05):
on my other podcast years ago, but like I can't
speak to how he is as like an evaluator beside
just watching who he drafts, like I've been around Veach
and how he like those guys are really good at
their jobs, I mean really good. I mean how he's
one of the most dynamic guys in all of sports.
Veach just is a really good natural like talent selector,

(01:05:26):
and obviously his rapport with the head coach and how
he's ability to kind of manage the whole thing. I think,
you know, the Niners really benefit. Like Kyle's just really
pretty special X's nose guy. You know, he's one of
the few guys and let's you can nitpick him and
I do, but like he's a really really talented coach. Uh,
He's just a coaching lifer, you know, been around it

(01:05:47):
from the moment he could walk. And I think those
guys really benefit from the financial backing, the fan backing,
the talented guys they have within the organization. But I
think you could say that, like I don't know him personally,
but I was texting a buddy in the NFL who
works for a playoff team, not one of those teams, like,

(01:06:08):
what do you think of Brandon Bean because I've just
seen Brandon a bunch like doing different interviews. I've never
met the guy. And the guy was like, I really
like him. I was like, I do too. I just
think he's he just kind of got an easy going vibe,
clearly good at his job, has like an low ego vibe.
But he also you know, for example, like let's use

(01:06:30):
the forty nine ers like Kyle and John are comfortable
in front of a camera and they don't mind. Like
Kyle doesn't like doing it, but he's he's good at
it if he wants to do it. Like Sean McDermot,
that's not really his thing. So part of Brandon Bean's
job the day and age of guy like the GM
just sitting in a dark room watching players is dead.
Trent Balke love doing that. Just get him in a
dark room. He just watched players all day. It's like,

(01:06:51):
that's not your fucking job. Like part of Brandon Bean's
job is like to be the messenger for the bills
because Sean McDermott's not really that big on that, which
is fine, has to be if you're in a business
partnership with someone else, hopefully they bring things to the
table that you don't. We got a lot of people
that are involved with this podcast that are strong at

(01:07:12):
social media, that are doing cutups, that are doing the
graphic stuff. I can't do any of that, you know,
even the sales aspect, Like if you get me on
a call with company X, I can handle myself, but
I don't have a connection to get Walmart on the
phone or Microsoft on the phone, So like you need
to be in business with other people that the distribution

(01:07:34):
that Colin brings. I can't create that. So it's like
the ebb and flow of a coach and a GM
and like Sirianni and Howie bring that to the table,
like they balance each other out, and I think you can.
The Bills are well run. The Ravens are well run.
Like all these organiza they're going nowhere, they have well
they have people that know what they're doing, and they
have a lot of money behind it, you know. I

(01:07:55):
think that's part of the problem. I interviewed Greg Olsen
today and it'll out next week, and one thing he
talked about is like you're on the phone with some
of these teams when you're doing these games over the
last three or four years, and you can just tell
you're like, this team is fucked people. They just don't
know what they're doing, and like you just can't fake
it because the games happen. And then it's why, like

(01:08:19):
it is pretty easy for me to be critical of
things that I see from a team operational standpoint, because
I've bet around people that know what they're doing. I mean,
I'm very fortunate. I didn't know anyone in the NFL,
not a soul, I mean not My dad was a farmer.
And the team that hired me had Howie Roseman as
the gym and Andy Reid as the head coach. So

(01:08:40):
it's like that is my experience. And then right when
I got out, I got to watch Jim Harbobby the
head coach of the forty nine ers for two years.
It's like, so basically my experience in the NFL was
just seeing that front and center. For my first like
five years of being my first five years being around
the NFL, I was around that. So that's kind of
like you just watch some of these operations, You're like,

(01:09:01):
I don't know if these people know they're doing. And listen,
everyone Bill Walsh had shitty games, right, Belichick had bad.
I'm not saying you could have bad. You can have
bad season, but it's pretty clear who's good. Dudes not right,
And I think part of it is experience and you learn.
I would bet on all three of those teams they're

(01:09:22):
gonna be good for a while. I would say, you know,
if Andy were to retire, I see, I don't think
he's gonna retire as long as he's healthy, Like he's
going nowhere. So you look at their guys, like where
would Howie go? Where would Andy and Veach go? They
don't want to go anywhere, and where would Kyle go?
So it's like, as long as you got those guys.
I mean, John's important, and obviously they need to draft well,

(01:09:46):
but the star of the forty nine ers, even with
perty making one hundred and eighty million, is the head coach,
you know. And Andy was the star of his organization
for a long time until Patrick Mahome showed up. So
I would rather have I'd rather have my quarterback front
center kind of like the Patriots forever, and then have
my head coach basically B one B. But I think

(01:10:09):
all the organizations are in pretty good still us okay,
end on that Audiels have a great dey talk to
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