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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, hour two, Flying through it, Greg Cosel, It's
going to be joining us in a couple of minutes.
Joint practices never been bigger. I just so we were
talking during the break. The Milwaukee Brewers are on fire.
If you look at the last eleven years in Major
League Baseball, the Royals of won World Series, the Yankees
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and the Mets. At not is that when you get
money involved, everybody freaks out. So everybody, you know, we
all know that college sports and individual sports, I mean
tennis was dominated globally by four people for twenty years, Serena, Williams, Federer,
Djokovic and it all like they dominated tennis for twenty years.
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The reality is some people are more talented, more aspirational,
more driven, more obsessed. Brady and Mahomes, Belichick, Andy, we'd
have dominated the NFL, and they have a hard cap.
Baseball doesn't. They have a real floor. But there's a
bottom of college sports, bottom of the NBA. I mean,
the Bears have been Bears, have never had a four
thousand yard passer. They've got poor ownership like they and
that's a big city. We don't have a problem if
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the Giants or a Washington DC team or a Chicago
team struggle, But if Cincinnati struggles or Baltimore struggles, Oh,
that is not fair. The NFL is dominated by small markets. Man,
A lot of people think the Brewers are going to
win the World Series. I mean they how many baseball
managers are you could run for governor? I mean, I
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mean Dave Roberts. They're furious with him in La Pat
Murphy they love so this constant fear of uhh. I
mean I remember when Barry Switzer took over Wisconsin. Wisconsin
was a god awful football program. He ended up going
to three Rose Bowls and going three and oh it
was the same state, mostly the same stadium. I mean,
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how did he do it? So? I mean Barry Alvarez,
I mean there was one guy that coached Kansas State,
Bill Snyder football forever they were awful. Bill Snyder made
him great, he left, they were awful again. Another they're
pretty good. I mean, Kansas football has been in my
entire life a laughing stock. Then they get this Lance
Leopold guy. Overnight they're good. So I don't worry about
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small markets or downtrodden program. Milwaukeet didn't have a ton
of money, but it's a great place to work. There
are in das successful the minor league system. They got
a manager. It's just so much fearmund baseball has no
salary cap. The Mets, the Yankees, and the Dodgers are
all in the first place. The Dodgers just got swept.
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The Brewers by the way, went six, and oh again
it's the Dodgers this year. Oh, the world's ending. Baseball's
in a great spot. And the Tigers finally for the
first time ever, great brand. The Tigers are now great.
With that. Greg Cosel forty six years NFL films doing this. Okay,
my guy, Shador Sanders, boy, the PFF grade had him
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just knocking it out of the park. I will say
this about Shador. When I watched the game, Greg, I
do think he moves better than you know what you
said this last week. Bon Nicks moves better than people
give him credit for, and it just he just does.
I think Shadur's movement is pretty good. It's not bon Nicks.
But what did you make of his Chadur's overall performance
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last Friday.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I thought he did more good things than bad things.
To me, the movement was more critical when it came
to pocket movement. That second touchdown he threw, I thought
it was a really good example where he moved to
its right in reaction to the blitz pressure. And what
I really liked was the way he reset his throwing platform,
reset his feet, and then delivered the ball at the
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front of the end zone. You see it right here.
You want to throw low at the front of the
end zone. I thought that was a really good play.
I think one of the things that he'll need to
work on because you don't see this a lot in
college football column, and there were a number of plays
like this, and I guarantee that the organization saw this
is he's not a naturally anticipatory thrower, and there were
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a couple of throws that he clearly left on the
field that require anticipation, and that's something he'll have to
improve if he's to become a quality NFL starting quarterback,
because yes, he moved better. But I think you and
I both agree if he's to become a quality starter,
his game is not going to be built on a
playmaking dimension. It's going to be built on his ability
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to play from the pocket. But that was more good
than bad, certainly in his performance.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So I've argued that that if Jackson Dart ends up
being really good, the Giants have a number one receiver,
a very good left tackle, an offensive coach, and a
tremendous defensive front. Abdul Carter and very few snaps has
looked dominant. So my take is, if Jackson Dark can play,
I think they're an interesting team. Here's my argument why
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he should three years with Lane Kiffen. Forty one college
starts in the toughest defensive conference lane could coach in
the NFL today, my take is I don't want to
hear about well, you know, he's young, forty one starts
in the SEC for Lane Kiffen. You watch the game,
you watch the film. I thought, is he an anticipatory thrower?
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I thought he looked good.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
The issue that none of us know is what happens
on a daily basis. You know, we sit and watch
the games and we see some good play, some bad plays.
We just see the touchdown, which was a really good
play by the way, because he saw the safety rotation
pre snap and he's signaled to Humphrey on the outside
to change his route, to convert his route to a fade.
And that was a really good play by Dart, a
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mental play, and that's what you want to see from
young quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It's not so much the.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Physical They all have physical ability, but you know, Dart,
You're right, he has a ton of college experience. You
know again, to me, we're not there every day. I
personally would look to Dart, assuming he's done well throughout camp,
I would look to him as the starter, but we
don't know how that will play out. You're right about
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their defensive front. They've got a really good defensive front.
Dexter Lawrence will be back, so we'll see. But you know, again, Dart,
there were some really good plays and what you would expect,
a couple of plays that I'm sure he'd like to
have back.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So cam Ward maybe the quietest number one quarterback pick
in the last twenty years. Part of that is the
Titans are not a big brand. He's a quiet kid.
He's really easy to root for. Like Lamar Jackson, he
wants to win. It's all about football. His teammates like him.
They don't have much on the perimeter to help him.
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So I don't look at him. I'm not going to
look at him this year and go, well, they went
eight to nine. It's listen. The kid has very little
to work with. We got to contextualize this. He had
an eleven play drive. Did you see anything with cam
the tempo, the accuracy, the movement, what did you see?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, I've been around cam Ward because I was down
at Titan's training cam and he is a very impressive kid.
And I got a chance to talk to him, and
one thing that really stood out to me, just to
tell a quick anecdote, when I met him. Fortunately, I
was set up beautifully by the organization as someone he
should talk to. And the first thing he said to me,
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and I thought this was really impressive.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Colin, you just met me.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
But I was set up beautifully and he said to me, Okay,
so what do I need to work on? I thought
that was really impressive. He just met me, but he's
very impressive in person. Now again his performance there was
a third and five on the first series where he
went through his read too fast. Okay, that's something you
expect to see. But he throws a really good ball.
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He's an impressive kid. You're right about the team. There's
really good give and take between he and Jeffrey Simmons,
because Jeffrey Simmons knows that if they're to get to
the Promised Land, it's going to be because of cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I would expect that he'll be a good player.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
The thing is early in the season, they open at Denver,
they're home to the Rams.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Then week four they're at Houston.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know, this could be a tough start simply because
the Titans have some holes on their team that need to.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Be dealt with, and they may not be dealt with
year one.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
So I think people are gonna have to be a
little patient simply because the team is not quite good
enough at this point.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I agree, you know. I speaking of Denver, I saw
her bon Knicks. They do this Mike Sando does this
Quarterback Tiers thing where he talks to fifty shams. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And my only complaint was, I said, you know, bo
Nicks below twa. He's a better runner, he's healthier. I
think he's got at least as good an arm, maybe better.
But whatever, we don't know a ton about bo Nicks.
(09:12):
When I saw it, when I saw him ranked twenty,
It's my take was it was telling me that executives
in the league think very highly of Sean Payton, that
he's squeezing every ounce of talent out of this. Do
you believe the bow Knicks success is mostly at this
point Sean Payton.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Well, you know, I've always struggled with that.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
There seems to be a sense that if a quarterback
is well coached, with a really good coordinator and a
really good scheme and a well designed system, that's somehow
a knock on the quarterback. I don't really understand that,
because that's kind of what the coach is supposed to do.
You know, I and I think that Bo Nicks showed
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a lot last year with the kinds of throws that
he made. I mean, he made a lot of time
throws between the numbers. He showed more arm strength, quite honestly,
than I thought he had coming out of Oregon. I mean,
you couldn't make the same argument. You know, I've spent
a lot of this offseason rewatching a lot of quarterbacks
because I can really do that. I can watch two
hundred and fifty plays in a row, which I can't
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really do during the season. I've just done that with
Jaden Daniels, and I think Cliff Kingsbury does an outstanding
job with his route design, really presenting clean, defined reads
for Jaden Daniels. Is that a knock on Jayden Daniels.
Are we supposed to say Jaden Daniels isn't very good
because the offensive coordinator does a really good job with
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his route concepts. Are we supposed to say Jared Goff
isn't any good because Ben Johnson's really good with his
route spacing and cleanly defining reeds. I mean, are we
supposed to say Joe Montana wasn't any good because Bill
Walsh was really good? I think that's such a silly argument.
I mean, that's what the offensive coordinator is supposed to do.
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He's supposed to present it so that ideally the first
read is clean and then you work through progression concepts.
So I don't really understand why that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So in that tier one through five that Mike Sando
Athleta at the Athletic did, there were a couple of
quotes about Caleb Williams and a defensive coordinator said it
was alarming to watch his processes. A head coach said it.
That word was used more than once. So you have
said that you love me Stocky. He's strong, he's a
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power thrower. When you when they say his process is
alarming and you've watched the same film, what do they
mean by.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
That, Well, that means he's not seeing the field with
the needed clarity. In other words, when you can see
the route concepts. I've been doing this for a lot
of years, Colin. As you know, there's not a thousand
route concepts. So I see the route concepts versus specific coverages,
and when you see it depends on the nature of
the falllosophy of an offense. There's a lot of different
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ways routes are taught. There's something called pure progression, where
you're not really worried about the defense. There's a primary,
there's a secondary. When the quarterback drops back, he looks
to the primary. If it's not there, it doesn't matter
what the defense is you just go to the next guy.
Then there's other systems where you're actually reading the defense.
You're reading whether it's a single high or two shell,
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or you're reading a particular defender to decide where you
throw the ball. So there's different ways that past game
is taught. But what they're saying about Williams is he's
not seeing that particularly clearly at all. So throws that
are there where the ball should be released, he's just
not seeing it the right way. So he's holding the ball.
He's not getting a clear picture.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
The term that's always used is processing. He's not processing
it the right way, and that's one reason why he
holds the ball.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
The film shows that.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, what's interesting is that has always been my knock
on Zach Wilson and justin fields. They've never gotten great
at it. I mean, you can absolutely make a quarterback
more accurate. Not all Anthony Richardson has regressed. But there
are things in I don't care if it's broadcasting, I
don't care if it's in any business. There are things
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that are solvable, But one of the ones that doesn't
seem to be terribly solvable is he doesn't see the
field well, like Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
It's a great point.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I don't know if that's solvable. You tell me somebody
that didn't see the field and a year later did.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, it's a great it's a great point, and I
would say the majority of coaches think that's tough to solve.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
And I'll answer it this way.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
You can help a quarterback in normal down in distant
situations where the defense is a little more predictive in
what they do, the probability and tendencies tend to favor
the offense more than the defense. So you can help
a quarterback with your play calling on first and ten,
second and four, maybe third and three.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
But when you start getting into.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
A long yardage, pure pass situations, whether it's second and nine,
third and nine, now the defense very often has the
tactical advantage and the quarterback has to be able to
see things really quickly and really really clearly, and at
some point, if that can't happen, then you're going to
have a quarterback that's very inconsistent and erratic in his performance.
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And I don't think we could say one hundred percent
for sure that Caleb Williams can't do that. He's only
going into a second year and he's with a brand
new coordinator. I mean Ben Johnson's essentially the coordinator. So
we want to wait and see on that. But if
that starts to show up more and more, then at
some point you might say that that's not solvable.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, you know, Patrick Mahomes wins a lot of games
and they're not going to go eleven to zero one
score games. But he didn't have a great year. He
had bad games, he had bad halves, he had really
bad series. He had a bad Super Bowl. Some of
it was lack of offensive line time competency. Sure, when you
looked at mahomes struggles last year, did he develop bad habits,
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was he relying too much on certain things? Did he
trust his own line? Patrick Mahomes didn't get poor, he
didn't get bad, but he didn't play necessarily well. What
did the film say on his regression, not winning regression,
but his mechanics or his performance.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Well, it's funny you say that because every year, and
I've had this conversation with people in Kansas City, every
year he does go through that where he starts to
lose his mechanics because that's sort of the way he
naturally plays going back to Texas Tech. You know, he's
that kind of player where he starts to drift, he
starts to lose his mechanics, and then they have to
sort of rein him in and get him back on track.
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But last year, and I think because he just did
not have confidence. And he would never say this publicly
because he's a class act, but I think because he
just didn't feel comfortable with that old line. I think
it took a little longer for him to get his
mechanics back, and he didn't play with the same precision
throughout the course of the season that we normally see.
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But you're right, it's not as if he's suddenly not
a good quarterback. It's just that he has to be
rained in at times. And I think the O line
last year caust some issues for him, caused a lack
of confidence, caused him not to play from the pocket
with the same and I'll use the word precision again,
the same kind of precision that we've seen in the past.
But it's not as if his traits or his talent
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level has dropped.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Finally, we'll go back to one of the young guys.
And this has kind of been a theory of mine
for years is that you would think, right that the
best quarterbacks in the NFL would all be from power schools.
They are five star high school guys. They go to Texas, Bama,
Ohio State, Notre Dame, and then they all go to
the NFL. But if you look at the history of
the NFL, they've often gone to cow and North Carolina
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State and Miami of Ohio and Texas Tech and Wyoming,
because that is preparing you for the NFL. Shaky old
lines have to carry, teams have to make quicker decisions.
You don't get comfortable windows. So I do think as
the rest of us go to college to prepare us
for our work, it's the same in the NFL. You
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think Ohio State would be better for you, but you
are very rarely in discomfort with Ohio State's receivers in online.
So when I look at JJ McCarthy, he never threw
forty times a game. He always played with the lead,
he had great protection, And I've said I worry that
it's like these Alabama quarterbacks. He's not ready for the NFL.
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Then he gets hurt and that sets him back another year.
So I do think the choice college kids make often
doesn't necessarily. I mean, Matt Ryan goes to a school
where he's going to throw guys open, he has to
be anticipatory because nobody's wide open. What do you see
with that? Is there anything about JJ McCarthy that you
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worry that he's just not quite ready for this life
of somewhat duress and discomfort in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, and I'm not sure we know that.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I mean, I think you and I would both agree
that Kevin O'Connell is really really good in terms of
defining reads and throws for the quarterback. Look what he
did with Sam Darnold last year. So you know that
remains to be seen, but I imagine there'll be a
learning curve for JJ McCarthy. Obviously in college he did
not throw the ball a lot. But he's got a
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good arm, a plus arm. He's got mobility, he's got traits.
He's a good sized kid, so there are.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Traits that are there.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I mean, even last year when he played in the
first preseason game and then he was done for the year,
I noticed an immediate difference in his drop and set
in the pocket from when I watched him at Michigan,
So I know, so Obviously, Kevin O'Connell through the off
season as a rookie really worked with him and really
tightened him up in a lot of areas.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
So you have to assume that that continued.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But now once you get into the regular season games,
we'll see he'll be under a lot of pressure.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
They'll be duressed.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
They've revamped their offensive line that often takes time to
come together, so we'll see. You never know the answer
to that question. Then it depends on how the games
are played. Is he going to be in games where
he has to drop back forty times? Can the team
be good enough Colin where he only has to drop
back twenty five times? You know, there are so many variables.
It's not very often for a young quarterback. It's not
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solely dependent on the young quarterback. It's the way in
which he's able to play based on the rest of
the team.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, I would argue he's got a top three left tackle,
a top two receiver, and a top three offensive head coach.
They rebambio line, and he may have a degree. He
may have the best defensive coordinator in the sport. So
the truth is, before the season starts, he got the
keys to a really nice car. He's not going to
have to win by question. Yeah, yeah, And I always
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have with brock Purty. If you look at brock Purty
in his first twenty one starts, when the team was
younger and less expensive, well, he was good. His last
fifteen starts, he's he's like six and nine or nine
and six, and his passer writing has dropped because now
the Niners are old and they've had to let Hafungo
go and greet and the defense isn't as good and
he has to throw more. So like brock Purty's opening
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into the NFL was like Dax, there's a lot of comfort.
Zeke oh Line was great, Dez Bryant was a touchdown machine.
So I think JJ, here's my hunch is that JJ McCarthy,
like brock Purty, will be able to engineer a wildly
smart and talented offense. They'll be good. I think when
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you draft him that high, you want great, but he
should be at least capable. Is that right?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
But you make an interesting point.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Is brock Purty's talent any different than it was a
year a year and a half ago. No, there's other
factors that are involved. And with ninety nine point nine
percent of quarterbacks. Those other factors often dictate, you know,
how a quarterback plays, or certainly how he's perceived. You know,
he hasn't changed in his traits. It's just that there
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are other factors that impact how he plays and how
how the games turn out. And of course all we
do is look at wins and losses and then we
decide that that's what a quarterback is.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Right, Great stuff, Greg co sell Azols my man, appreciate.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
It, Thanks, Kylen, really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I mean, let's be honest about CJ. Stroug's rookie year.
He had Laramie Tunzel and they ended up hitting on
a couple of mid round wide receivers, and he had
Bobby Slowick at the time was like a hot coordinator.
And so generally rookie quarterbacks mean, Herbert had a great
rookie season in terms of he had Shane Stiken. You know,
he had Keenan Allen. So you got it for a
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rookie quarterback to work, you got to give him something.
JJ McCarthy has a top two receiver, maybe number one,
a top two three left tackle maybe number one, a
top two or three offensive head coach, That is a
huge benefit. That is a massive, massive benefit. Last year
Caleb had none of that. Left tackle was a swinging
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door coach was defensive. Keenan Allen was passed his prime.
DJ Moore was good, but he was on his back
or running for his life. So JJ's got some of
those brock pretty first starts gifts. He should be capable.
I don't see great, but he should be capable.
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Speaker 7 (23:32):
We're finally talking about Brock party again.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Colin one of my favorite players, not just in the NFL,
in all of sports.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
He got his big contract.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
The former mister Irrelevant went on a podcast with Richard
Sherman and talked about continuing to prove himself after getting paid.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
I've always felt, you know this, like you know, underdog
kind of story, and that's been my story man, from
high school, college to the NFL. But for me, every
single year, all that matters, man, is if you know
I'm leading these guys in this locker room and this building,
this organization, and and and they trust me here, that's
all that matters. Everybody's gonna have something to say. That's
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that's the nature of the sport, and that's fine. But
I don't buy into and listen. If I were to
listen to criticism everything, I wouldn't be where I'm at today.
I've had the chip on my shoulder and I go
prove myself right every single year. And so that's just
where I'm at.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Leadership, my friend, very workable schedule.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Yeah, can we talk about Brock for a moment.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
He just sounds like what you want your friend Chisse
quarterback to sound like.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Right. Yes, he's a good kid, bright kid, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Almost senatorial if you will well measure. Remember he doesn't
shot gun beers on stage with the tight end And
I like that take.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
From you earlier you have no I mean, he's a
very good kid. This family probably thinks I don't like him.
He's he is all NFL in Tangible's team. But you
have made the r that this schedule is just cinchy.
So they go at Seattle's the opener. Then they have
to go cross country. The Saints aretainly good, but it's
cross country.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Yeah that's tough. Well yeah, Tyler, shit.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Then it's your surprise team in the NFL. And you
may be right Arizona on there is Trevor Lawrence and
the improved Jags offense. Oh then you're Rams Baker Stafford.
You've made this out Oh at c J. Stroud and
you made this out to be cupcake city that first
eight weeks. There's some l's there. Baby. If you're not
ready to.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Go, you guys see what he's doing right. Listen, I'm
not going to get into it with you, but bottom line,
let me just go back to Brock party for say Colin.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
I love the mentality that.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
He's a career us.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
The guy just got fifty million dollars a year, whatever
the number is, and he's still treating it like an underdog.
That's what I want from my quarterback. And you know
that's how I view myself. I see myself as an
underdog step on the basketball court, step on this show.
And I think that's a great mentality. Remember there's a
decent basketball player named Michael Jordan who would continually pump
himself up by telling him, Hey man, I'm an underdog.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
I didn't make the JV team blah blah blah. Like
that's not a bad mentality to have, Collin.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
No, I the intangibles for Brock are all pro. I'd
like more tangibles he does, like Shador Sanders or a
bow Nix. He moves better than people think Garoppolo was
a pure pocket guy. Brock can move, Brock can run.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Can you let me just drill down, what are these
tangibles that you want?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
No? I mean, I listen, I like my quarterbacks like
I like my furniture hard to move, big, stable and
hard to move. That's what I like. Big, big coffee
table where he's eight hundred pounds, can't move it? Oh
so I but brain power, intangible, coachability, movement. He does
a great job, and he's he's I think you pushed
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me into a corner where I have to just say
slow down. But he's a very solid BB plus quarterback.
And you know, now as the team's gotten old and
McCaffrey's hurt and Trent Williams is Noah's there, the numbers change.
That's all I'm saying, Dak. The numbers change when you
don't have the best online in the league.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I'm just saying, Keevin score Colin is an elitist and
a highest when it comes to quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I am a little bit.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Let's move on to Terry McLaurin, who is still holding
out now, Colin.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
This is not great.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
According to an NFL insider, when negotiations started between McLaurin
and the team, mclaurin's camp stunned the Commander's front office
with their contrad asked and almost broke down the negotiations
entirely The Insider adds that the way he understood it,
McLaurin was looking for tier one ride receiver money, and
by tier one that means Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill, Jamar
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Chase that level money.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Now, my first question to you is where's this coming from?
Who leaked this?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Is this Washington? We've had enough with Terry. We're gonna
put this out there so everybody knows this coming from
Washington because they've been negotiating for a while and.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
I did not know it was this bad. Like you and.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I are honest, Well, I think he deserves I mean
a wide LAMB guy.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
He's just not a CD.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
List and he's not Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson or CD Lamb.
But he's better, more consistent than DK Metcalf. He's proven
at this point to be consistently better than Garrett will
Garrett Wilson. I would pay him kind of omar On
Saint Brown money. That's the kind of money i'd pay him,
which omar On Saint Brown thirty million large. That that's
what he is, which is he's not. He is a
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hard working, highly productive, very mature, dependable Pro Bowl level
wide receiver. He's not gonna change your defense like Jamar
Justin CD or aj Brown, like you don't have to
roll coverage over all the time. You can put a
good corner on him and feel somewhat you know, Okay,
you can't single cover Justin Jefferson, You're gonna get smoked.
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Cede Lamb's a hard single cover. But I think I
do think in a position with a lot of immaturity
and a lot of ego, he is a mature, reliable
armor on Saint Brown, grown up, and I would pay
him thirty million and not worry at all about it.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Yeah, it sounds like he's gonna want a little more
than that. Thirty mil is ten mil per year off
of elite, not top tier receivers, which is what he wants.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Now.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Remember he's twenty nine, probably his last huge contract, and
your quarterbacks on the rookie deal. I think you know
what changes Washington is if somehow this screws up and
goes sideways and they don't have him, Because without him,
I'll tell you right now, Jayden Daniels is going to struggle.
They don't have the weapons behind him.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Going Jade and Daniels, as much as we love him,
beat one playoff team last year Philadelphia, and that's when
Kenny Pickett took a majority of the snaps.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Thank you well, that's a good nugget.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
The final story is, again, I like this team a lot.
We're going to be doing headlines and they're gonna make
an appearance.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Cam Ward and the Titans. Colin forgive it all to me.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
He's got great chemistry with Calvin Ridley, as they showed
in their last preseason game.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
And here's the first overall pick. Cam Ward believing.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Tennessee has the potential to be a high powered offense.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
Yeah, I think we honestly have the ability to be a
top ten offense. But also going it goes on every
guy in that huddle, including myself, bring the right mindset
every day and us also playing together. I think that's
the biggest things that we always put together. We never
point fingers at each other on both sides of the ball,
and we just got to always have that mindset that
we can be the best office in the NFL. And
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then it really just comes with just us caring about
each other on the field off the field, and I
think a lot of that stuff will translate to the game.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
You know, if you notice something with Brock Purty and
Jalen Hurts and cam Ward and bow Knicks. If you
notice something, there's almost two qualities you see with all
of these young men who you've seen it with Lamar Jackson,
josh Allen Mahomes humble and kind of obsessed and focused
(31:00):
on football. You ever noticed that? So whenever I pushed
back on a you know, big personality quarterback and everybody
freaks out, Folks, are you noticing a trend with all
the young quarterbacks that they're not always the biggest. Cam
Ward's not that big, Jalen Hurts is not that big.
The guys that are football focused c J. Stroud justin
(31:23):
Herbert cam Ward, Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott early football focused
and humble almost always. Those are two signs you got
the right guy football focused in humble. Will Levis came
in little bravado and Johnny Manziel. I mean it was
my big knock on Baker Mayfield, a lot of bravado.
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Bro I don't mind if I see that in year six,
year one Cleveland, I don't want to see it. But
when I watched cam Ward, It's like, this is what
I saw with Jalen Hurts. This is what I saw
with Justin Herbert. It's this is what I saw with
Lamar Jackson. Like Humble, always about the team, not talking
about himself, always willing to say I've got to play better.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Like chicked at all.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
This stuff all brought Purty deserves brought. Purty's about the team.
It's not about me. There is a clear obsessed about
football Humble for that position. Are the two boxes you
gotta check. You got to get buy in from coaches
and players, and you don't do it when you're cocky
and distracted.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
And you see that image on the screen there, cam
Ward addressing what appears to.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Be the entire team. I don't think it's just the offense. Colin.
He walks in.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
He's the leader, he's the alpha, and like, I.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Know, you want to mention Shador Sanders. That's fine.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Chador can't do something like this because he's fourth on
the depth chart.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You just can't hold up before Shitor. We can like Shador,
but he's a little distracted and he's a little unseerious
and legendary draft room and lack of self awareness. Cam
right now is above Shador like a long leap ahead
of Shador in the like maturity, like again, football, addicted,
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obsessed with football, and humble. I would not say those
would describe Shadour at this point. That's absolutely Cam Moore.
Everybody says the same thing, humble, all in on football,
all about football. All he talks about, thinks about, and
recreates with it's football. J McK of the News, well,
that's the news and thanks for stopping that.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
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Speaker 1 (33:28):
I can't figure out. So though the NFL came out
Forbes magazine has come out for the NFL team's valuations,
and there is one team in this league. I never
understand why they're always undervalued, and we've talked about them
a lot in the last few years. It's the Hurd.
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Speaker 1 (34:20):
I have never been able to figure out team valuations,
So Sportico not Forbes.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
My bad.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Sportico came out with a list of NFL team valuations.
Now there's obviously the size of the city matters a lot.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Number one was the Dallas Cowboys. They are kind of
the Yankees. Although I tend to think America's team right
now as the Buffalo Bills, Kansas City, San Francisco, and
then Dallas. There was a time in my life I
thought the Pittsburgh Steeters in the seventy seventies were America's team.
So for our radio audience, I'm not going to read
all of them, but it goes a Cowboys rams obviously.
(34:55):
La Sofi Stadium is a magnificent facility. Giants, Patriots, Bosson
in San Francisco, Eagles, Dolphins, Jets, I get all of them.
Here's what's amazing now, Chiefs are only sixteen because the
game day revenue. It's just a smaller market. I am
always amazed at how overvalued the Dolphins are, and I'll
tell you why. It's a distracted market with the world's
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best beaches, arguably a transient market and the average incomes
are fifty five thousand dollars per fan, so that's not
a lot of that's not a lot of money for
game day revenue. I've never understood that it's a very distracted,
transient market that doesn't necessarily always draw well. It's not
a corporate hub. So when you look, this is why
I don't get valuations. It's not a knock on Miami,
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but where is where are the Minnesota Vikings. They're not
in the top half. It's a corporate hub. No competition
from a beach or even a college football program to
take you know, money away or people away. It's not
a highly transient market. They have the Vikings below Tampa Bay,
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Green Bay, Miami. Has anybody ever been to Minnesota. It's
like some of the highest most educated people, highly corporate,
good annual revenues. You're not distracted. Maybe the best stadium
in the league. Every seat is taken. They have very
good local radio revenues. I have never figured this out.
(36:26):
Like I lived in Tampa. It's not a corporate hub,
meaning Minnesota can go to its corporations and sell tens
of thousands of tickets and suites. You're not doing that
in Tampa. When I lived in Tampa, there was only
one Fortune five hundred company. It was Raymond James, the
investment bank or investment firm. So Tampa's not a corporate hub.
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Miami's bigger than Tampa in terms of corporate and Miami
is also exploding in terms of tech growth. But I mean,
you're telling me Minnesota and the Titans are close. I
don't understand it. Same thing in base everybody's was like, ah,
Minnesota is a small market team. Look at the corporations
in Minnesota. It's right in the middle of the country,
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one of the best airports, and there's all sorts of
corporate money there, meaning there's a lot of executives, there's
a lot of money. I don't get it. I just
have never understood this. The Minnesota Vikings are essentially the
Kansas City Chiefs without Mahomes. They've always been well run,
always been well capitalized, had a lot of great coaches.
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I mean, my staff put this down just these alone.
Target base, there, General Mills, United Healthcare, they're all headquartered
in Minneapolis. An average salary for fans, it's got to
be one of the top ten in the league. I
don't get it. I don't get valuations. I do get
bo Nicks, who was only ranked twentieth among NFL execs
(37:58):
in the Mic Sando Annual Athletic Poll. I asked Greg
Cosel earlier. Is he ranked twentieth because executives in this
league hold Sean Payton in such high regard.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
If a quarterback is well coached, with a really good
coordinator and a really good scheme and a well designed system,
that's somehow a knock on the quarterback. I don't really
understand that, because that's kind of what the coach is
supposed to do, you know. And I think that bow
Nicks showed a lot last year with the kinds of
(38:35):
throws that he made. I mean, he made a lot
of big time throws. Between the numbers. He showed more
arm strength quite honestly, than I thought he had coming
out of Oregon.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't get the shade with bo Nix. So,
but I will tell you if Caleb Williams can play,
and again I showed, I'll show it at the top
of the hour. If you got fifteen percent improved with
Kayleb Williams, it's I mean, the numbers will be He'll
complete seventy one percent of his throws. But bow Knicks
(39:07):
can play. Drake May can absolutely play. Jade Daniels is
a star. I'm a strong believer in Michael Pennix. I
have my doubts on JJ McCarthy, but he has such
a strong support system, and with the Vikings and O'Connell
and the receiving corps, we may have a six for
six class if Kayleb Williams can play a five for
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five or six for six class. Cam Ward's gonna work.
I don't know to what level he'll work. And what's
interesting next year is cad Club. Nick for Clemson is
the real deal, folks. He is big, he can move,
he doesn't turn the ball over. He's really good. Five
star high school kid, been great at Clemson. Arsh Manning
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can play. Drew Aller can play to some level. We
got three guys. I absolutely believe our franchise quarterbacks. I
don't know about the kid at South Carolina. I'm not
quite sure about nuss Meyer at LSU. Let's say they improve,
they get fifteen more starts, and they improve and they
become first round picks. That means like two out of
the last three years we could have five to six
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first round level quarterbacks. And I'm going to tell you
when I watch the kid at Clemson, I watch Arch
Manning and Drew Aller. There's a lot to like. There
is a ton and listen Bone Nicks. People add doubts
on Bonix can play, Absolutely can play. Eric Mangini's going
to join us last hour? Are you on the show tomorrow?
(40:35):
J Mack, I'm off them. Are you on the show tomorrow?
Are you doing it? Oh?
Speaker 7 (40:38):
Yeah, I'm firing for an hour.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I was just cooking up some takes.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
There's some interesting stuff out there.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Quick note cap Club Nick six foot two, and you
know college measurements, they sometimes skew taller Rock Party at
the combine sixty to one, so Club Nick probably checks
in closer to Rock Party's height. Nus Myers also in
that sixty one range. But can we go back to
the valuations.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
That you did.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
I was trying to draw a parallel between the Sportico
top half of the NFL valuations versus bottom half, and
you made a great point that like, why is Minnesota
lower than like Atlanta?
Speaker 7 (41:16):
How are the Atlanta Falcons valuation?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
But Atlanta's got four and a half million people, it's
a corporate hub. Delta and Coca Cola.
Speaker 7 (41:22):
For been good.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
I mean, if you're just going on corporate hubs, well,
no that matters, because I can charge six times as
much in Minneapolis, you know, or Atlanta as I could
maybe a Carolina, although Carolina's a banking hub.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
I mean, the Atlanta Hawks are there.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Their valuation is garbage in the NBA, I don't think
there's a direct word.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Minnesota is home to fifteen fifteen Fortune five hundred companies,
and you're telling me they're worth less.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Than Tampa, Seattle, Vegas.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
But Seattle's at least a corporate hub.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, hour two, Flying through it, Greg Cosel, It's
going to be joining us in a couple of minutes.
Joint practices never been bigger. I just so we were
talking during the break. The Milwaukee Brewers are on fire.
If you look at the last eleven years in Major
League Baseball, the Royals of won World Series, the Yankees
(00:47):
and the Mets. At not is that when you get
money involved, everybody freaks out. So everybody, you know, we
all know that college sports and individual sports, I mean
tennis was dominated globally by four people for twenty years, Serena, Williams, Federer,
Djokovic and it all like they dominated tennis for twenty years.
(01:09):
The reality is some people are more talented, more aspirational,
more driven, more obsessed. Brady and Mahomes, Belichick, Andy, we'd
have dominated the NFL, and they have a hard cap.
Baseball doesn't. They have a real floor. But there's a
bottom of college sports, bottom of the NBA. I mean,
the Bears have been Bears, have never had a four
thousand yard passer. They've got poor ownership like they and
that's a big city. We don't have a problem if
(01:31):
the Giants or a Washington DC team or a Chicago
team struggle, But if Cincinnati struggles or Baltimore struggles, Oh,
that is not fair. The NFL is dominated by small markets. Man,
A lot of people think the Brewers are going to
win the World Series. I mean they how many baseball
managers are you could run for governor? I mean, I
(01:52):
mean Dave Roberts. They're furious with him in La Pat
Murphy they love so this constant fear of uhh. I
mean I remember when Barry Switzer took over Wisconsin. Wisconsin
was a god awful football program. He ended up going
to three Rose Bowls and going three and oh it
was the same state, mostly the same stadium. I mean,
(02:15):
how did he do it? So? I mean Barry Alvarez,
I mean there was one guy that coached Kansas State,
Bill Snyder football forever they were awful. Bill Snyder made
him great, he left, they were awful again. Another they're
pretty good. I mean, Kansas football has been in my
entire life a laughing stock. Then they get this Lance
Leopold guy. Overnight they're good. So I don't worry about
(02:37):
small markets or downtrodden program. Milwaukeet didn't have a ton
of money, but it's a great place to work. There
are in das successful the minor league system. They got
a manager. It's just so much fearmund baseball has no
salary cap. The Mets, the Yankees, and the Dodgers are
all in the first place. The Dodgers just got swept.
(02:58):
The Brewers by the way, went six, and oh again
it's the Dodgers this year. Oh, the world's ending. Baseball's
in a great spot. And the Tigers finally for the
first time ever, great brand. The Tigers are now great.
With that. Greg Cosel forty six years NFL films doing this. Okay,
my guy, Shador Sanders, boy, the PFF grade had him
(03:21):
just knocking it out of the park. I will say
this about Shador. When I watched the game, Greg, I
do think he moves better than you know what you
said this last week. Bon Nicks moves better than people
give him credit for, and it just he just does.
I think Shadur's movement is pretty good. It's not bon Nicks.
But what did you make of his Chadur's overall performance
(03:43):
last Friday.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I thought he did more good things than bad things.
To me, the movement was more critical when it came
to pocket movement. That second touchdown he threw, I thought
it was a really good example where he moved to
its right in reaction to the blitz pressure. And what
I really liked was the way he reset his throwing platform,
reset his feet, and then delivered the ball at the
(04:08):
front of the end zone. You see it right here.
You want to throw low at the front of the
end zone. I thought that was a really good play.
I think one of the things that he'll need to
work on because you don't see this a lot in
college football column, and there were a number of plays
like this, and I guarantee that the organization saw this
is he's not a naturally anticipatory thrower, and there were
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a couple of throws that he clearly left on the
field that require anticipation, and that's something he'll have to
improve if he's to become a quality NFL starting quarterback,
because yes, he moved better. But I think you and
I both agree if he's to become a quality starter,
his game is not going to be built on a
playmaking dimension. It's going to be built on his ability
(04:53):
to play from the pocket. But that was more good
than bad, certainly in his performance.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So I've argued that that if Jackson Dart ends up
being really good, the Giants have a number one receiver,
a very good left tackle, an offensive coach, and a
tremendous defensive front. Abdul Carter and very few snaps has
looked dominant. So my take is, if Jackson Dark can play,
I think they're an interesting team. Here's my argument why
(05:19):
he should three years with Lane Kiffen. Forty one college
starts in the toughest defensive conference lane could coach in
the NFL today, my take is I don't want to
hear about well, you know, he's young, forty one starts
in the SEC for Lane Kiffen. You watch the game,
you watch the film. I thought, is he an anticipatory thrower?
(05:42):
I thought he looked good.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
The issue that none of us know is what happens
on a daily basis. You know, we sit and watch
the games and we see some good play, some bad plays.
We just see the touchdown, which was a really good
play by the way, because he saw the safety rotation
pre snap and he's signaled to Humphrey on the outside
to change his route, to convert his route to a fade.
And that was a really good play by Dart, a
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mental play, and that's what you want to see from
young quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It's not so much the.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Physical They all have physical ability, but you know, Dart,
You're right, he has a ton of college experience. You
know again, to me, we're not there every day. I
personally would look to Dart, assuming he's done well throughout camp,
I would look to him as the starter, but we
don't know how that will play out. You're right about
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their defensive front. They've got a really good defensive front.
Dexter Lawrence will be back, so we'll see. But you know, again, Dart,
there were some really good plays and what you would expect,
a couple of plays that I'm sure he'd like to
have back.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So cam Ward maybe the quietest number one quarterback pick
in the last twenty years. Part of that is the
Titans are not a big brand. He's a quiet kid.
He's really easy to root for. Like Lamar Jackson, he
wants to win. It's all about football. His teammates like him.
They don't have much on the perimeter to help him.
(07:08):
So I don't look at him. I'm not going to
look at him this year and go, well, they went
eight to nine. It's listen. The kid has very little
to work with. We got to contextualize this. He had
an eleven play drive. Did you see anything with cam
the tempo, the accuracy, the movement, what did you see?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, I've been around cam Ward because I was down
at Titan's training cam and he is a very impressive kid.
And I got a chance to talk to him, and
one thing that really stood out to me, just to
tell a quick anecdote, when I met him. Fortunately, I
was set up beautifully by the organization as someone he
should talk to. And the first thing he said to me,
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and I thought this was really impressive.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Colin, you just met me.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
But I was set up beautifully and he said to me, Okay,
so what do I need to work on? I thought
that was really impressive. He just met me, but he's
very impressive in person. Now again his performance there was
a third and five on the first series where he
went through his read too fast. Okay, that's something you
expect to see. But he throws a really good ball.
(08:11):
He's an impressive kid. You're right about the team. There's
really good give and take between he and Jeffrey Simmons,
because Jeffrey Simmons knows that if they're to get to
the Promised Land, it's going to be because of cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I would expect that he'll be a good player.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
The thing is early in the season, they open at Denver,
they're home to the Rams.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Then week four they're at Houston.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know, this could be a tough start simply because
the Titans have some holes on their team that need to.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Be dealt with, and they may not be dealt with
year one.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
So I think people are gonna have to be a
little patient simply because the team is not quite good
enough at this point.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I agree, you know. I speaking of Denver, I saw
her bon Knicks. They do this Mike Sando does this
Quarterback Tiers thing where he talks to fifty shams. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And my only complaint was, I said, you know, bo
Nicks below twa. He's a better runner, he's healthier. I
think he's got at least as good an arm, maybe better.
But whatever, we don't know a ton about bo Nicks.
(09:12):
When I saw it, when I saw him ranked twenty,
It's my take was it was telling me that executives
in the league think very highly of Sean Payton, that
he's squeezing every ounce of talent out of this. Do
you believe the bow Knicks success is mostly at this
point Sean Payton.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Well, you know, I've always struggled with that.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
There seems to be a sense that if a quarterback
is well coached, with a really good coordinator and a
really good scheme and a well designed system, that's somehow
a knock on the quarterback. I don't really understand that,
because that's kind of what the coach is supposed to do.
You know, I and I think that Bo Nicks showed
(09:54):
a lot last year with the kinds of throws that
he made. I mean, he made a lot of time
throws between the numbers. He showed more arm strength, quite honestly,
than I thought he had coming out of Oregon. I mean,
you couldn't make the same argument. You know, I've spent
a lot of this offseason rewatching a lot of quarterbacks
because I can really do that. I can watch two
hundred and fifty plays in a row, which I can't
(10:15):
really do during the season. I've just done that with
Jaden Daniels, and I think Cliff Kingsbury does an outstanding
job with his route design, really presenting clean, defined reads
for Jaden Daniels. Is that a knock on Jayden Daniels.
Are we supposed to say Jaden Daniels isn't very good
because the offensive coordinator does a really good job with
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his route concepts. Are we supposed to say Jared Goff
isn't any good because Ben Johnson's really good with his
route spacing and cleanly defining reeds. I mean, are we
supposed to say Joe Montana wasn't any good because Bill
Walsh was really good? I think that's such a silly argument.
I mean, that's what the offensive coordinator is supposed to do.
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He's supposed to present it so that ideally the first
read is clean and then you work through progression concepts.
So I don't really understand why that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So in that tier one through five that Mike Sando
Athleta at the Athletic did, there were a couple of
quotes about Caleb Williams and a defensive coordinator said it
was alarming to watch his processes. A head coach said it.
That word was used more than once. So you have
said that you love me Stocky. He's strong, he's a
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power thrower. When you when they say his process is
alarming and you've watched the same film, what do they
mean by.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
That, Well, that means he's not seeing the field with
the needed clarity. In other words, when you can see
the route concepts. I've been doing this for a lot
of years, Colin. As you know, there's not a thousand
route concepts. So I see the route concepts versus specific coverages,
and when you see it depends on the nature of
the falllosophy of an offense. There's a lot of different
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ways routes are taught. There's something called pure progression, where
you're not really worried about the defense. There's a primary,
there's a secondary. When the quarterback drops back, he looks
to the primary. If it's not there, it doesn't matter
what the defense is you just go to the next guy.
Then there's other systems where you're actually reading the defense.
You're reading whether it's a single high or two shell,
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or you're reading a particular defender to decide where you
throw the ball. So there's different ways that past game
is taught. But what they're saying about Williams is he's
not seeing that particularly clearly at all. So throws that
are there where the ball should be released, he's just
not seeing it the right way. So he's holding the ball.
He's not getting a clear picture.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
The term that's always used is processing. He's not processing
it the right way, and that's one reason why he
holds the ball.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
The film shows that.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, what's interesting is that has always been my knock
on Zach Wilson and justin fields. They've never gotten great
at it. I mean, you can absolutely make a quarterback
more accurate. Not all Anthony Richardson has regressed. But there
are things in I don't care if it's broadcasting, I
don't care if it's in any business. There are things
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that are solvable, But one of the ones that doesn't
seem to be terribly solvable is he doesn't see the
field well, like Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
It's a great point.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I don't know if that's solvable. You tell me somebody
that didn't see the field and a year later did.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, it's a great it's a great point, and I
would say the majority of coaches think that's tough to solve.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
And I'll answer it this way.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
You can help a quarterback in normal down in distant
situations where the defense is a little more predictive in
what they do, the probability and tendencies tend to favor
the offense more than the defense. So you can help
a quarterback with your play calling on first and ten,
second and four, maybe third and three.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
But when you start getting into.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
A long yardage, pure pass situations, whether it's second and nine,
third and nine, now the defense very often has the
tactical advantage and the quarterback has to be able to
see things really quickly and really really clearly, and at
some point, if that can't happen, then you're going to
have a quarterback that's very inconsistent and erratic in his performance.
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And I don't think we could say one hundred percent
for sure that Caleb Williams can't do that. He's only
going into a second year and he's with a brand
new coordinator. I mean Ben Johnson's essentially the coordinator. So
we want to wait and see on that. But if
that starts to show up more and more, then at
some point you might say that that's not solvable.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, you know, Patrick Mahomes wins a lot of games
and they're not going to go eleven to zero one
score games. But he didn't have a great year. He
had bad games, he had bad halves, he had really
bad series. He had a bad Super Bowl. Some of
it was lack of offensive line time competency. Sure, when you
looked at mahomes struggles last year, did he develop bad habits,
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was he relying too much on certain things? Did he
trust his own line? Patrick Mahomes didn't get poor, he
didn't get bad, but he didn't play necessarily well. What
did the film say on his regression, not winning regression,
but his mechanics or his performance.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Well, it's funny you say that because every year, and
I've had this conversation with people in Kansas City, every
year he does go through that where he starts to
lose his mechanics because that's sort of the way he
naturally plays going back to Texas Tech. You know, he's
that kind of player where he starts to drift, he
starts to lose his mechanics, and then they have to
sort of rein him in and get him back on track.
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But last year, and I think because he just did
not have confidence. And he would never say this publicly
because he's a class act, but I think because he
just didn't feel comfortable with that old line. I think
it took a little longer for him to get his
mechanics back, and he didn't play with the same precision
throughout the course of the season that we normally see.
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But you're right, it's not as if he's suddenly not
a good quarterback. It's just that he has to be
rained in at times. And I think the O line
last year caust some issues for him, caused a lack
of confidence, caused him not to play from the pocket
with the same and I'll use the word precision again,
the same kind of precision that we've seen in the past.
But it's not as if his traits or his talent
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level has dropped.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Finally, we'll go back to one of the young guys.
And this has kind of been a theory of mine
for years is that you would think, right that the
best quarterbacks in the NFL would all be from power schools.
They are five star high school guys. They go to Texas, Bama,
Ohio State, Notre Dame, and then they all go to
the NFL. But if you look at the history of
the NFL, they've often gone to cow and North Carolina
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State and Miami of Ohio and Texas Tech and Wyoming,
because that is preparing you for the NFL. Shaky old
lines have to carry, teams have to make quicker decisions.
You don't get comfortable windows. So I do think as
the rest of us go to college to prepare us
for our work, it's the same in the NFL. You
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think Ohio State would be better for you, but you
are very rarely in discomfort with Ohio State's receivers in online.
So when I look at JJ McCarthy, he never threw
forty times a game. He always played with the lead,
he had great protection, And I've said I worry that
it's like these Alabama quarterbacks. He's not ready for the NFL.
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Then he gets hurt and that sets him back another year.
So I do think the choice college kids make often
doesn't necessarily. I mean, Matt Ryan goes to a school
where he's going to throw guys open, he has to
be anticipatory because nobody's wide open. What do you see
with that? Is there anything about JJ McCarthy that you
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worry that he's just not quite ready for this life
of somewhat duress and discomfort in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, and I'm not sure we know that.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I mean, I think you and I would both agree
that Kevin O'Connell is really really good in terms of
defining reads and throws for the quarterback. Look what he
did with Sam Darnold last year. So you know that
remains to be seen, but I imagine there'll be a
learning curve for JJ McCarthy. Obviously in college he did
not throw the ball a lot. But he's got a
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good arm, a plus arm. He's got mobility, he's got traits.
He's a good sized kid, so there are.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Traits that are there.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I mean, even last year when he played in the
first preseason game and then he was done for the year,
I noticed an immediate difference in his drop and set
in the pocket from when I watched him at Michigan,
So I know, so Obviously, Kevin O'Connell through the off
season as a rookie really worked with him and really
tightened him up in a lot of areas.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
So you have to assume that that continued.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But now once you get into the regular season games,
we'll see he'll be under a lot of pressure.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
They'll be duressed.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
They've revamped their offensive line that often takes time to
come together, so we'll see. You never know the answer
to that question. Then it depends on how the games
are played. Is he going to be in games where
he has to drop back forty times? Can the team
be good enough Colin where he only has to drop
back twenty five times? You know, there are so many variables.
It's not very often for a young quarterback. It's not
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solely dependent on the young quarterback. It's the way in
which he's able to play based on the rest of
the team.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, I would argue he's got a top three left tackle,
a top two receiver, and a top three offensive head coach.
They rebambio line, and he may have a degree. He
may have the best defensive coordinator in the sport. So
the truth is, before the season starts, he got the
keys to a really nice car. He's not going to
have to win by question. Yeah, yeah, And I always
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have with brock Purty. If you look at brock Purty
in his first twenty one starts, when the team was
younger and less expensive, well, he was good. His last
fifteen starts, he's he's like six and nine or nine
and six, and his passer writing has dropped because now
the Niners are old and they've had to let Hafungo
go and greet and the defense isn't as good and
he has to throw more. So like brock Purty's opening
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into the NFL was like Dax, there's a lot of comfort.
Zeke oh Line was great, Dez Bryant was a touchdown machine.
So I think JJ, here's my hunch is that JJ McCarthy,
like brock Purty, will be able to engineer a wildly
smart and talented offense. They'll be good. I think when
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you draft him that high, you want great, but he
should be at least capable. Is that right?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
But you make an interesting point.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Is brock Purty's talent any different than it was a
year a year and a half ago. No, there's other
factors that are involved. And with ninety nine point nine
percent of quarterbacks. Those other factors often dictate, you know,
how a quarterback plays, or certainly how he's perceived. You know,
he hasn't changed in his traits. It's just that there
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are other factors that impact how he plays and how
how the games turn out. And of course all we
do is look at wins and losses and then we
decide that that's what a quarterback is.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Right, Great stuff, Greg co sell Azols my man, appreciate.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
It, Thanks, Kylen, really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I mean, let's be honest about CJ. Stroug's rookie year.
He had Laramie Tunzel and they ended up hitting on
a couple of mid round wide receivers, and he had
Bobby Slowick at the time was like a hot coordinator.
And so generally rookie quarterbacks mean, Herbert had a great
rookie season in terms of he had Shane Stiken. You know,
he had Keenan Allen. So you got it for a
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rookie quarterback to work, you got to give him something.
JJ McCarthy has a top two receiver, maybe number one,
a top two three left tackle maybe number one, a
top two or three offensive head coach, That is a
huge benefit. That is a massive, massive benefit. Last year
Caleb had none of that. Left tackle was a swinging
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door coach was defensive. Keenan Allen was passed his prime.
DJ Moore was good, but he was on his back
or running for his life. So JJ's got some of
those brock pretty first starts gifts. He should be capable.
I don't see great, but he should be capable.
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Speaker 7 (23:32):
We're finally talking about Brock party again.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Colin one of my favorite players, not just in the NFL,
in all of sports.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
He got his big contract.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
The former mister Irrelevant went on a podcast with Richard
Sherman and talked about continuing to prove himself after getting paid.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
I've always felt, you know this, like you know, underdog
kind of story, and that's been my story man, from
high school, college to the NFL. But for me, every
single year, all that matters, man, is if you know
I'm leading these guys in this locker room and this building,
this organization, and and and they trust me here, that's
all that matters. Everybody's gonna have something to say. That's
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that's the nature of the sport, and that's fine. But
I don't buy into and listen. If I were to
listen to criticism everything, I wouldn't be where I'm at today.
I've had the chip on my shoulder and I go
prove myself right every single year. And so that's just
where I'm at.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Leadership, my friend, very workable schedule.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Yeah, can we talk about Brock for a moment.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
He just sounds like what you want your friend Chisse
quarterback to sound like.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Right. Yes, he's a good kid, bright kid, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Almost senatorial if you will well measure. Remember he doesn't
shot gun beers on stage with the tight end And
I like that take.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
From you earlier you have no I mean, he's a
very good kid. This family probably thinks I don't like him.
He's he is all NFL in Tangible's team. But you
have made the r that this schedule is just cinchy.
So they go at Seattle's the opener. Then they have
to go cross country. The Saints aretainly good, but it's
cross country.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Yeah that's tough. Well yeah, Tyler, shit.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Then it's your surprise team in the NFL. And you
may be right Arizona on there is Trevor Lawrence and
the improved Jags offense. Oh then you're Rams Baker Stafford.
You've made this out Oh at c J. Stroud and
you made this out to be cupcake city that first
eight weeks. There's some l's there. Baby. If you're not
ready to.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Go, you guys see what he's doing right. Listen, I'm
not going to get into it with you, but bottom line,
let me just go back to Brock party for say Colin.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
I love the mentality that.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
He's a career us.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
The guy just got fifty million dollars a year, whatever
the number is, and he's still treating it like an underdog.
That's what I want from my quarterback. And you know
that's how I view myself. I see myself as an
underdog step on the basketball court, step on this show.
And I think that's a great mentality. Remember there's a
decent basketball player named Michael Jordan who would continually pump
himself up by telling him, Hey man, I'm an underdog.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
I didn't make the JV team blah blah blah. Like
that's not a bad mentality to have, Collin.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
No, I the intangibles for Brock are all pro. I'd
like more tangibles he does, like Shador Sanders or a
bow Nix. He moves better than people think Garoppolo was
a pure pocket guy. Brock can move, Brock can run.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Can you let me just drill down, what are these
tangibles that you want?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
No? I mean, I listen, I like my quarterbacks like
I like my furniture hard to move, big, stable and
hard to move. That's what I like. Big, big coffee
table where he's eight hundred pounds, can't move it? Oh
so I but brain power, intangible, coachability, movement. He does
a great job, and he's he's I think you pushed
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me into a corner where I have to just say
slow down. But he's a very solid BB plus quarterback.
And you know, now as the team's gotten old and
McCaffrey's hurt and Trent Williams is Noah's there, the numbers change.
That's all I'm saying, Dak. The numbers change when you
don't have the best online in the league.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I'm just saying, Keevin score Colin is an elitist and
a highest when it comes to quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I am a little bit.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Let's move on to Terry McLaurin, who is still holding
out now, Colin.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
This is not great.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
According to an NFL insider, when negotiations started between McLaurin
and the team, mclaurin's camp stunned the Commander's front office
with their contrad asked and almost broke down the negotiations
entirely The Insider adds that the way he understood it,
McLaurin was looking for tier one ride receiver money, and
by tier one that means Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill, Jamar
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Chase that level money.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Now, my first question to you is where's this coming from?
Who leaked this?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Is this Washington? We've had enough with Terry. We're gonna
put this out there so everybody knows this coming from
Washington because they've been negotiating for a while and.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
I did not know it was this bad. Like you and.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I are honest, Well, I think he deserves I mean
a wide LAMB guy.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
He's just not a CD.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
List and he's not Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson or CD Lamb.
But he's better, more consistent than DK Metcalf. He's proven
at this point to be consistently better than Garrett will
Garrett Wilson. I would pay him kind of omar On
Saint Brown money. That's the kind of money i'd pay him,
which omar On Saint Brown thirty million large. That that's
what he is, which is he's not. He is a
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hard working, highly productive, very mature, dependable Pro Bowl level
wide receiver. He's not gonna change your defense like Jamar
Justin CD or aj Brown, like you don't have to
roll coverage over all the time. You can put a
good corner on him and feel somewhat you know, Okay,
you can't single cover Justin Jefferson, You're gonna get smoked.
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Cede Lamb's a hard single cover. But I think I
do think in a position with a lot of immaturity
and a lot of ego, he is a mature, reliable
armor on Saint Brown, grown up, and I would pay
him thirty million and not worry at all about it.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Yeah, it sounds like he's gonna want a little more
than that. Thirty mil is ten mil per year off
of elite, not top tier receivers, which is what he wants.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Now.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Remember he's twenty nine, probably his last huge contract, and
your quarterbacks on the rookie deal. I think you know
what changes Washington is if somehow this screws up and
goes sideways and they don't have him, Because without him,
I'll tell you right now, Jayden Daniels is going to struggle.
They don't have the weapons behind him.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Going Jade and Daniels, as much as we love him,
beat one playoff team last year Philadelphia, and that's when
Kenny Pickett took a majority of the snaps.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Thank you well, that's a good nugget.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
The final story is, again, I like this team a lot.
We're going to be doing headlines and they're gonna make
an appearance.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Cam Ward and the Titans. Colin forgive it all to me.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
He's got great chemistry with Calvin Ridley, as they showed
in their last preseason game.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
And here's the first overall pick. Cam Ward believing.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Tennessee has the potential to be a high powered offense.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
Yeah, I think we honestly have the ability to be a
top ten offense. But also going it goes on every
guy in that huddle, including myself, bring the right mindset
every day and us also playing together. I think that's
the biggest things that we always put together. We never
point fingers at each other on both sides of the ball,
and we just got to always have that mindset that
we can be the best office in the NFL. And
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then it really just comes with just us caring about
each other on the field off the field, and I
think a lot of that stuff will translate to the game.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
You know, if you notice something with Brock Purty and
Jalen Hurts and cam Ward and bow Knicks. If you
notice something, there's almost two qualities you see with all
of these young men who you've seen it with Lamar Jackson,
josh Allen Mahomes humble and kind of obsessed and focused
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on football. You ever noticed that? So whenever I pushed
back on a you know, big personality quarterback and everybody
freaks out, Folks, are you noticing a trend with all
the young quarterbacks that they're not always the biggest. Cam
Ward's not that big, Jalen Hurts is not that big.
The guys that are football focused c J. Stroud justin
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Herbert cam Ward, Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott early football focused
and humble almost always. Those are two signs you got
the right guy football focused in humble. Will Levis came
in little bravado and Johnny Manziel. I mean it was
my big knock on Baker Mayfield, a lot of bravado.
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Bro I don't mind if I see that in year six,
year one Cleveland, I don't want to see it. But
when I watched cam Ward, It's like, this is what
I saw with Jalen Hurts. This is what I saw
with Justin Herbert. It's this is what I saw with
Lamar Jackson. Like Humble, always about the team, not talking
about himself, always willing to say I've got to play better.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Like chicked at all.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
This stuff all brought Purty deserves brought. Purty's about the team.
It's not about me. There is a clear obsessed about
football Humble for that position. Are the two boxes you
gotta check. You got to get buy in from coaches
and players, and you don't do it when you're cocky
and distracted.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
And you see that image on the screen there, cam
Ward addressing what appears to.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Be the entire team. I don't think it's just the offense. Colin.
He walks in.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
He's the leader, he's the alpha, and like, I.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Know, you want to mention Shador Sanders. That's fine.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Chador can't do something like this because he's fourth on
the depth chart.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You just can't hold up before Shitor. We can like Shador,
but he's a little distracted and he's a little unseerious
and legendary draft room and lack of self awareness. Cam
right now is above Shador like a long leap ahead
of Shador in the like maturity, like again, football, addicted,
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obsessed with football, and humble. I would not say those
would describe Shadour at this point. That's absolutely Cam Moore.
Everybody says the same thing, humble, all in on football,
all about football. All he talks about, thinks about, and
recreates with it's football. J McK of the News, well,
that's the news and thanks for stopping that.
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I can't figure out. So though the NFL came out
Forbes magazine has come out for the NFL team's valuations,
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a lot in the last few years. It's the Hurd.
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Speaker 1 (34:20):
I have never been able to figure out team valuations,
So Sportico not Forbes.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
My bad.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Sportico came out with a list of NFL team valuations.
Now there's obviously the size of the city matters a lot.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Number one was the Dallas Cowboys. They are kind of
the Yankees. Although I tend to think America's team right
now as the Buffalo Bills, Kansas City, San Francisco, and
then Dallas. There was a time in my life I
thought the Pittsburgh Steeters in the seventy seventies were America's team.
So for our radio audience, I'm not going to read
all of them, but it goes a Cowboys rams obviously.
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La Sofi Stadium is a magnificent facility. Giants, Patriots, Bosson
in San Francisco, Eagles, Dolphins, Jets, I get all of them.
Here's what's amazing now, Chiefs are only sixteen because the
game day revenue. It's just a smaller market. I am
always amazed at how overvalued the Dolphins are, and I'll
tell you why. It's a distracted market with the world's
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best beaches, arguably a transient market and the average incomes
are fifty five thousand dollars per fan, so that's not
a lot of that's not a lot of money for
game day revenue. I've never understood that it's a very distracted,
transient market that doesn't necessarily always draw well. It's not
a corporate hub. So when you look, this is why
I don't get valuations. It's not a knock on Miami,
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but where is where are the Minnesota Vikings. They're not
in the top half. It's a corporate hub. No competition
from a beach or even a college football program to
take you know, money away or people away. It's not
a highly transient market. They have the Vikings below Tampa Bay,
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Green Bay, Miami. Has anybody ever been to Minnesota. It's
like some of the highest most educated people, highly corporate,
good annual revenues. You're not distracted. Maybe the best stadium
in the league. Every seat is taken. They have very
good local radio revenues. I have never figured this out.
(36:26):
Like I lived in Tampa. It's not a corporate hub,
meaning Minnesota can go to its corporations and sell tens
of thousands of tickets and suites. You're not doing that
in Tampa. When I lived in Tampa, there was only
one Fortune five hundred company. It was Raymond James, the
investment bank or investment firm. So Tampa's not a corporate hub.
(36:47):
Miami's bigger than Tampa in terms of corporate and Miami
is also exploding in terms of tech growth. But I mean,
you're telling me Minnesota and the Titans are close. I
don't understand it. Same thing in base everybody's was like, ah,
Minnesota is a small market team. Look at the corporations
in Minnesota. It's right in the middle of the country,
(37:07):
one of the best airports, and there's all sorts of
corporate money there, meaning there's a lot of executives, there's
a lot of money. I don't get it. I just
have never understood this. The Minnesota Vikings are essentially the
Kansas City Chiefs without Mahomes. They've always been well run,
always been well capitalized, had a lot of great coaches.
(37:32):
I mean, my staff put this down just these alone.
Target base, there, General Mills, United Healthcare, they're all headquartered
in Minneapolis. An average salary for fans, it's got to
be one of the top ten in the league. I
don't get it. I don't get valuations. I do get
bo Nicks, who was only ranked twentieth among NFL execs
(37:58):
in the Mic Sando Annual Athletic Poll. I asked Greg
Cosel earlier. Is he ranked twentieth because executives in this
league hold Sean Payton in such high regard.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
If a quarterback is well coached, with a really good
coordinator and a really good scheme and a well designed system,
that's somehow a knock on the quarterback. I don't really
understand that, because that's kind of what the coach is
supposed to do, you know. And I think that bow
Nicks showed a lot last year with the kinds of
(38:35):
throws that he made. I mean, he made a lot
of big time throws. Between the numbers. He showed more
arm strength quite honestly, than I thought he had coming
out of Oregon.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't get the shade with bo Nix. So,
but I will tell you if Caleb Williams can play,
and again I showed, I'll show it at the top
of the hour. If you got fifteen percent improved with
Kayleb Williams, it's I mean, the numbers will be He'll
complete seventy one percent of his throws. But bow Knicks
(39:07):
can play. Drake May can absolutely play. Jade Daniels is
a star. I'm a strong believer in Michael Pennix. I
have my doubts on JJ McCarthy, but he has such
a strong support system, and with the Vikings and O'Connell
and the receiving corps, we may have a six for
six class if Kayleb Williams can play a five for
(39:27):
five or six for six class. Cam Ward's gonna work.
I don't know to what level he'll work. And what's
interesting next year is cad Club. Nick for Clemson is
the real deal, folks. He is big, he can move,
he doesn't turn the ball over. He's really good. Five
star high school kid, been great at Clemson. Arsh Manning
(39:50):
can play. Drew Aller can play to some level. We
got three guys. I absolutely believe our franchise quarterbacks. I
don't know about the kid at South Carolina. I'm not
quite sure about nuss Meyer at LSU. Let's say they improve,
they get fifteen more starts, and they improve and they
become first round picks. That means like two out of
the last three years we could have five to six
(40:13):
first round level quarterbacks. And I'm going to tell you
when I watch the kid at Clemson, I watch Arch
Manning and Drew Aller. There's a lot to like. There
is a ton and listen Bone Nicks. People add doubts
on Bonix can play, Absolutely can play. Eric Mangini's going
to join us last hour? Are you on the show tomorrow?
(40:35):
J Mack, I'm off them. Are you on the show tomorrow?
Are you doing it? Oh?
Speaker 7 (40:38):
Yeah, I'm firing for an hour.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I was just cooking up some takes.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
There's some interesting stuff out there.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Quick note cap Club Nick six foot two, and you
know college measurements, they sometimes skew taller Rock Party at
the combine sixty to one, so Club Nick probably checks
in closer to Rock Party's height. Nus Myers also in
that sixty one range. But can we go back to
the valuations.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
That you did.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
I was trying to draw a parallel between the Sportico
top half of the NFL valuations versus bottom half, and
you made a great point that like, why is Minnesota
lower than like Atlanta?
Speaker 7 (41:16):
How are the Atlanta Falcons valuation?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
But Atlanta's got four and a half million people, it's
a corporate hub. Delta and Coca Cola.
Speaker 7 (41:22):
For been good.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
I mean, if you're just going on corporate hubs, well,
no that matters, because I can charge six times as
much in Minneapolis, you know, or Atlanta as I could
maybe a Carolina, although Carolina's a banking hub.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
I mean, the Atlanta Hawks are there.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Their valuation is garbage in the NBA, I don't think
there's a direct word.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Minnesota is home to fifteen fifteen Fortune five hundred companies,
and you're telling me they're worth less.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Than Tampa, Seattle, Vegas.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
But Seattle's at least a corporate hub.
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