Doug Gottlieb, in for Colin, reacts to interesting comments made by Northern Illinois HC Thomas Hammock on the state of college sports and gives insight on what he's witnessed as a coach in the disparity between the haves and have-nots. 7x MLB All-Star Matt Holliday joins Doug to explain why he still sees the Dodgers as NL favorites despite falling behind the Padres in the NL West. Plus, one superstar quarterback is about to do something he's never done before.
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Speaker 4 (00:27):
Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may make it this part of your day.
Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd
and for the next couple of hours, I want to
talk sports with you.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
God.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
So to those of you are like, hey, Gottleib, what
are you doing now? I'm a college basketball Oh that's right,
college basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, So what's that like? That's what everybody asks. That
everybody asks. And I'll share with you a lot if
you'd like. And it's this is it's a fascinating, fascinating
I don't want to say experiment, but just time of
change in all business. Right, I'll give you an example. Okay,
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it's not just college sports. I think pro sports, especially basketball,
is about to change greatly. I'll explain in a second.
I think football. I think NFL football is going to change.
I mean the perfect example is, yes, Archie Manning, just
like arch Manning, just like Peyton Manning, just like Uh,
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why am I forgetting Peyton Manning? What was the two
time Super Bowl champion? Why am I the other Manning?
Eli Manning? Sorry, okay, gonna stay four years. Not because
of nil, but because they believe, much like most people,
that the more reps you have, the more ready you are.
The more ready you are, the more confidence you have,
the more confidence you have, the better you play initially.
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The better you play initially, the easier it is for
you to maintain. You get like a year and a
half to be a starting quarterback in the NFL, and
if you can't do it, it's a top pick. Then
you're out right and you become a career backup, or
you bounce around chasing checks. You're doing the like the
Jets quarterback right. I mean this is his third team
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in three years? Yeah, Justin Field's third team in three years.
Why is that? Because he basically got a year and
a half. Bearston think he's good enough. They moved on
goes to the Steelers. Steelers knew he wasn't good enough.
Same thing, Rinse repeat, rinse repeat. So I think that
the arch Manning thing doesn't have a ton to do
with NIL or rev share or the money that he's making.
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Kid was making money as comes from money. Money isn't
the driving force. But I do think that the NFL
is going to change. The draft is so much different
now because everybody is older, and they're older because they
stay in school longer. They stay in school longer because
there's not the desperation for the NFL check the way
there used to be, which in many ways is a
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good thing. There are bad things about NIL, Okay, there
are bad things about compensating athletes, but the fact that
they are staying in school longer is not one of them.
It is a benefit. Now, let's not act like that
was the intent of it. Okay, no one ever said, hey,
you know, once we start paying players, they're going to
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stay in school longer. Nobody said that it's an ancillary benefit.
It's an unintended consequence, but it is something that happens.
So there's a smaller pool of prospects for the NFL Draft,
but you have more tape on them. On the other hand,
they some of them have played it three or four schools,
five schools. Even so, it's harder to get the background
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on what type of kid he is if he's only
been in a place for six months before he declares
for the NFL draft. Right, it's very different. And this
I believe North Carolina's got seventy new players, Bill belchiks
seventy new players, and like they're introducing themselves to each other,
like in warm up lines, and my name is Jim,
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where are you from? Oklahoma State? Milwa, mantor sixty five
new players and you have like fifteen padded practices before
you play a real football game. Fifteen. Remember, most of
these teams don't have spring games. A lot of these
players are picked up in the spring, some in the summer,
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some right before the fall. So you would think your
offenses and your defenses might be a little bit more rudimentary.
College offenses have never been as ornate as pro offenses.
Same thing with defenses, and that may actually regress, whereas
in previous years you would think college offenses were kind
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of creating things that the NFL copied. So sports is changing.
In baseball, the Milwaukee Brewers are the talk of Major
League Baseball. Right, what are they won in a row?
Twenty two in a row or something twenty one in
a row, twelve in a row. I like the twenty
two is a better number.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
It was better.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
It's better. And we have the greatest SoundBite ever, the
most Wisconsin thing ever. We'll share with you later on
the show. They won twelve in a row. But the
Brewers were good last year. Remember this is a Brewers
team that lost their manager to their rival, the Cubs.
Why because Craig Council was like, Brewers are awesome, but
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the likelihood of winning is increased when you go to
the Cubs because they have more money. Right, the Brewers
are built. I've talked to their general manager. I've talked
to their manager, and they told me that every position
player they draft was a shortstop at some point in
their lives. Baseball has changed with the pitchclock, but more
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than anything with the bases, with the lack of ships,
athleticism is a much bigger part of the game. So
they're not just the best team in baseball. They tried
to build the best most athletic team in baseball. It's
one of the things that's happened to the Yankees going
back to that past couple of years is they were
built for a four gone era of just hit home
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runs or walk or strikeout, and now you can manufacture runs.
So sports changes in a myriad of ways. And in
college sports it's changed because we're now we're paying the players.
Right now, we're paying the players. And what you find is,
and look, I have one full year now in the bank.
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I got the job at the middle of the end
of May last year. Hey, as you know, the portal
opens in March, so I didn't have a full season
that way. And not everything that I believe or maybe
even I know is accurate at the highest level, because
we are not at the highest level, but I do
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know in many ways how it operates. So Thomas Hammock
is the head coach of Northern Illinois. Okay, what do
you remember about Northern Illinois. Last season? They beat Notre Dame. Right,
Notre Dame beat Texas A and M on the road,
and they come back home they get beat by by
by Northern Illinois, and then Northern Illinois has average season
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after that. So Northern Illinois, I'm sure, I'm might be
sure I'm guessing it's a tough putt financially for them.
Now they're going to join our league in basketball only
basketball and I think Olympic sports starting next year. And
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the Illinois schools, the non Champagne Urbana, Right, that's the
main universe when you say Illinois, that's the main campus.
But they have Eastern Illinois, they have Western Illinois, they
have Southern Illinois, the Sulukis, they have Northern Illinois, the Huskies.
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They got different schools, have different financial issues. Western Illinois
a ton of financial issues, like school could close down.
Financial issues in the Wisconsin system, Our school and Madison
University Wisconsin are the only two that are growing. We've
gone from like seven eight, nine thousand. We're twelve thousand
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students this year and we're expanding. But all the other
university Wisconsin's Stout, Steven's Point River Falls, even Milwaukee, they're shrinking.
So there's a fight over budget. But the bigger thing is, Okay,
how how do you build a college football college basketball
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program when you're trying to have a high retention rate?
Bring kids back, right, bring kids back every year? Because
we all know, like that's that's what Purdue has done.
That's one of the reasons that they win. Purdue is
like the model for college basketball. Yes, they sprinkle in
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a transfer here, a transfer there. This year they take
in inn Israeli point guard to go with maybe the
best point guard in the country. They should be really,
really good. But the big thing for Purdue is like
they want their guys to stay. So I want you
to listen to something that Thomas Hammick said at a
press conference earlier this week. I posted it. It's got
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over a million views just on my feet alone, so
I'm guessing this thing's gone viral. You're talking five to
ten million views or something overall. This is the head
coach of North Illinois.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
I enjoyed my college experience. I didn't get one dime,
but the lessons I learned was more value any money
you can ever pay me. And I appreciate that because
that is long term. People are losing the fact that
this is short term. I coached in the National Football
League for five years.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Five years.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Don't lose focus or work the long term. Get your degree,
learn valuable lesson that's going to help you in the
long term of your life. That's the whole purpose. This
is a transition from being a kid to a grown up.
And I hope people don't lose focus of that.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So keep in mind. This is Thomas Hammock, who is
an alum of Northern Illinois.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
He played football there back in the heyday in ninety
nine to two thousand and two. Then he went to
Madison and he got his masters and he started coaching football.
And I understand that what happens is the human brain
works this way. I here pick the college coach. You
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know when Nick sables coach, he's making ten million dollars, right,
so he makes ten million, the players make nothing. There's
there's two parts to it. First part is do I
think that at the very very top of the salary pool,
college coaches are overpaid?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, probably. But I also think they're CEOs of companies.
I'm a CEO of a company. The buck stops here.
I have to manage my recruiting budget, like we we had.
We had to change our black uniforms, okay, but to
put in a full set of Adidas uniforms, it's like
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twenty nine hundred bucks. We had to change uniforms because
they're not NCAA compliant in the in the chance that
we make the NCAA tournament this year, we could only
wear the gray uniforms. It's the only ones that were
NCAA compliant. So we redid the white ones. But they're like, yeah,
we're not gonna wear white in the na tournament anyway, right,
Like we're not going to be a lower seed than anybody.
So in an effort to save money, it's a real thing,
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we just redid the tops. That's it. So it's seventeen
hundred bucks instead of twenty nine hundred bucks. And you're like, well,
what is that that affords me a little bit more money?
You know, we call back every vendor that we use.
We have an analytics company that I think is outstanding
I would love to have, and we got like the
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Cadillac setup. I had to have an uncomfortable conversation like, hey,
we either need to cut this contract or trim it
down or figure it out. Why Because I need that money,
because I got to compensate players. I got to compensate
my coaching staff. Remember Thomas Hammock. You may sit there
and think, you know, whatever he makes at Northern Illinois
as head coach, he started as a GA at Wisconsin,
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a ga, you're not getting any money. You're simply getting
your school paid for. Then he was a running back
coach at his alma mater for a year. Then he
was with the Minnesota Vikings in the NFL for three years. Yes, right,
starting as the running backs coach and then working at
co offensive coordinator and running backs coach. So now he
started creeping into the six figures area. Then he coached
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back at at Wisconsin. Then he was with the Ravens
again as the running back coach for four years. So
he has worked since he graduated college in two thousand
and two till now, hey, this is when he got
this head coaching. First head coaching break was seventeen years later.
She's like, oh my gosh, look at how much money
Thomas Hammock makes. Dude, he works seventeen years to get
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to that spot. But here's the honest question, and look,
this is is it some of it recruiting, Yeah, but
a lot of it is true. How are we going
to have alumni games in college sports? Alumnia's what's your
alma mater? There's one other thing he didn't calculate in there.
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He didn't talk about, and you can follow me on
Twitter at Gottlieb Show. You can see this the fold
context of the rant. If you haven't heard already, we
have no value as a society now for getting into college,
getting into college. If you don't know how hard it
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is to get into college, you haven't had a kid
apply for college recently. When I was coming out of
high school at Tustin High School in Orange County, California
in nineteen ninety five, the safety to all safety schools
the easiest school to get into in the cal State
system because you have like in order, you had U
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see system. That's you U see Santa Barbara, UCLA, Berkeley,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, then you have
the cal Poly system a little bit less difficult still, Okay,
that's cal Poly that's in Pomona, and cal Poly San
Luis Obispo that's in uh sant L's Smithspo, Central Coast.
Then you have the cal States which were easier and
you basically had to graduate like a two five. If
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you had a pulse, you were getting in San Dieo State.
And then if you want to party, went to San
Diego State. If you want to smoke weed, you went
to Humboldt or to what's the other one that's up there? Oh, man,
I can't remember. There's two that are way up north right,
and everybody and you'd say, well, I'm gonna major horticulture. Yeah,
we know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
San Diego State now is unbelievably hard to get into
one of the most difficult schools in the country to
get into. Why there's sports called their basketball team was awesome,
and then people are like, I could go to school
in San Diego, where do I sign up? Well, it's
become like you get a four point zero and not
get into Santue State and being in state, and of
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course all the kids out of state want to come in.
Why do you want to have more out of state
kids come in if you're santy a state because you
make more money international you can charge whatever you want.
So there's no calculation or valuation from parents, agents, or
people on social media of getting into school and then
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the college experience growing becoming the dude he talks about
playing time, Like a lot of these kids, they hey,
if you're gonna give me, you know what I make
one point five x of what I make, they'll go
and just chase the dollar and then they realize that's
it's the Peter principle. Do you guys know the Peter principles.
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It's when you're promoted above the level of your competency.
If last year you were in the MAC and you
were a starter and you transferred to the Big ten
and now you're not a star, you're like, man, I
was killing at the MAC. They promised me a chance,
they give me more money. Like, dude, that's not how
it works. You were in the MAC for a reason.
And again, I know JJ Watt came from the MAC
and is a Hall of Famer when he transferred and
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transitioned to a different position and played at Wisconsin. But
those stories are outliers. The reality is most guys who
leave and most teams lead, they you lose your whole team,
whole team. And I just think it's very easy to say, well,
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these kids deserve it, okay, but what but what do
you lose when you leave? What do you lose? You're
never going to have your jersey on a wall if
you leave, You're not. No one's going to retire outside
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of Shador Sanders, but it's two years of Colorado. No
one's going to retire a number of a guy who
played there for a year or yeah, you know, as
a transfer that just doesn't happen. That just doesn't happen.
And you have to understand where you fit in the
salary pool. You know, low level six figures on a
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high major club in college basketball means you're not going
to play. I hope you are, like, so we tell
both the like you can go take that. That's It's great.
If it's your senior year and somebody offers you one
hundred and twenty five thousand dollars to play at name
your power for school or the Big East, do you
know that money means you're not going to play. And
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that's great if that's what you want. Hey, I want
some money to start me on my professional life. Great.
If you want to play basketball, you need to have
basketball film to then go play. And then the other
thing we're doing, and this is more basketball Pacific, but
it's also football specific. We're screwing up the minds of
what the market looks like. Let me give you an example.
Okay again in college basketball. And I know this because
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this is the world in which I operated in When
I'm not hosting the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Support Radio.
There are lots of players playing college basketball making two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, and again, as I said,
two hundred fifty thousand dollars, Maybe you play, Maybe you don't,
Probably you play. Probably you're a starter now at a
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power for school at two hundred and fifty grand. You're
not the guy, but you're one of the guys. You
get done playing, hey, remember the G League doesn't play that.
You're not good enough to make the NBA. You go overseas. Hey,
I'm going to go overseas. Do you want to know
what you make? Usually when you're playing overseas, your first
year m maybe six figures. Maybe, So what happens you
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get done playing in Your agent's like I got a
deal for you. Okay, it's second division. They hear second division.
They're like, no, no, no, no, this that works. Second division
Italy take care of everything. Live on the water. It's great.
All Bill's taken care of seventy five thousand dollars. Like
I just made two hundred and fifty thousand dollars playing
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at whatever state university in right, We've completely screwed that
up where seventy five thousand dollars for a rookie in
a to in Italy is a lot of money. It's
a great opportunity. And then the idea is every year
you stack, you make more, more, more, more and more
and more more, and eventually you hope playing your league
team and you make seven figures and you send that
money home. So the point is that in everyone's effort
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to make sure college athletes are compensated, we are screwing
up all these different pieces. Valuing getting into school, valuing
the actual college experience, valuing in being a dude and
having an alma mater, a place to call home, and
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the market for when they get out of school. Other
than that is a perfect system. Outside of that, Missus Lincoln,
how was the show? I'm Doug gottlieb in for Colin Cowhert.
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talk some baseball, shall we. We got the red hot
Brewers handing out burgers to everybody in Wisconsin or Milwaukee specifically.
We have these slumping Dodgers. We have the the the
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Yankees kind of being in in sort of no man's land.
You got the Rise of the Padres. We're getting ready
for fall baseball. He he's a producer of multiple future
major league stars, including Jackson Holiday, the number one overall
pick two years ago for the Orioles starts for the
Oils now and Ethan Holliday, who is the fourth fifth, fourth,
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fourth fourth pick of the draft with the Colorado Rockies,
who also select him. He's Matt Holiday, seven time All
Star joining us. He's he's rehabbing. He had hip replacement surgery.
What a week ago, Mat.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, Wednesday? I wish I was rehabbing. I text the
doctor what kind of rehab should be doing? And he
laughed at me. So, I think the first two weeks
are very just sit around on your butt. So I'm
I'm doing the best I can.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
As you know, I.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Don't sit well, so I'm I'm waiting for the go
ahead for some sort of rehab. But yeah, so just
trying to get to that two week mark and and
get back to being a little more active.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
What percentage of the hip issues were baseball related? You
played football, you're high school American football quarterback. You played
pickup basketball, but then you became like a pickleball fiend
over the past three or four years, right like ninety
nine days and one hundred playing multiple games of pick
a ball. Did you ask your doctor what sport led
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to this?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Issue.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I didn't ask him. I'm guessing it's a culmination. I'm
guessing a lot of it is my right hip with
my leg kick and just sort of constantly coiling around
my back hip for baseball swings. And then I'm sure
that you know, the hours of pickleball that I've put
in certainly probably didn't help it. If I was just
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content on hanging out and doing kind of a basic workout,
you know, three or four times a week, I probably
would have been able to hold this off.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
But I love to be active. I love to play pickleball.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
So when it got to the point where it's prohibitive
to do, you know, pretty much anything athletic, I figured
it was time to go ahead and I'm young, and
get it done and hopefully be back on the pickleball
court sooner and later.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
All Right, there you go. He's a He was a
ranked national pickball player, but mostly for being a seven
time All Star. Matt Holliday joining us here uh in
the heard Doug Gottlie filling in for Colin What what's
wrong with the Dodgers?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well, I mean I think you could just you go
back to the starting pitching health. I mean, they haven't
had the consistent rotation that that they kind of hoped for.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I think they accounted.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
For that by having a lot of depths, but the
in and out inconsistencies of rotation is probably where you start.
I think that, you know, Mookie Betts has not been,
uh the perennial MVP caliber player that we're used to.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So that's a you know, when you take one of
your two or three probably best players on the team
and there's quite a bit of a dip in production
and uh you feel that that's not easily replaceable or
accounted for. So I think that certainly has something to
do with it that makes it easier, you know, when
you're when you're deciding whether to pitch around show or not,
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if Mookie's not doing if he's not doing mooky things,
then it makes it easier on your decision making on
who you're gonna let beat you. So I would say, look,
they're still extremely talented, and they're they're going to be
in the playoffs and they're very very.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Dangerous as we saw last year.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
If you get in the playoffs, and even if you
don't have a rotation, that's that's dominating. Uh, you start
to put together a bullpen and pieces and guys that
even if they don't you know, even if guys can't
recover to fully six seven innings, Uh, you start to
be able to piece games together with arms that are.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Getting healthy late in the season.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So I think they're just as big a threat to
win the World Series as they were at the beginning
of the season. Now, they're not going to win one
hundred and twenty games. Maybe we thought with the roster
they constructed, but it's very difficult over one hundred and
sixty two game season for everything to go as planned
and sort of the formula that you put on paper
is going to work out. It's just such a long
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season and there's so many factors that play into that.
But when it comes down to a playoff month, I
think they're just as good a position as they were ever.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Okay, so it's not a playoff month, but it's a
really interesting week and a half right where Padres at home,
then you get the Rockies, which again would feel like
kind of a mental break, and we know the Rockies
are in massive rebuild mode, and then they got Padres
on the road. How do you think this plays out?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean I think it's great theater. I mean,
I love watching these two teams play each other in general.
I think right now as they start to jockey for
position on who wins the West, and you start to
look at the by scenario and look any think it
happened in baseball, so you you definitely want to try
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to win the division and get that that series.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
You know that you don't want to play in that
first series.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
And I think the Padres more than any other team
maybe at the deadline, with adding a couple of those relievers,
put themselves in a spot to to really, you know,
as you like we talked about, you know, in the
Dodgers last year dominating the postseason with their bullpen. When
I watched the Padres bullpen, it's incredible the arms they
roll out of there. So even if their starter gives
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them four, four or five innings, they're rolling out all
star caliber pitchers from inning five through nine, pitching in
the high nineties. So they're their bullpen as I watch,
and then you know, I think getting Ramon Lariano and
and Ryan O'Hearn from the Orioles, so obviously I follow
very close to Jackson linked in their lineup uh, Loreano's
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having an amazing season. I think maybe a little bit
under the radar, but he's a very dangerous hitter. He's
hitting home runs and and he's been really good since
traded over, So I think he linked in their lineup.
The Padres are a very dangerous team. I think they're
equally If I had to, you know, handicapped the National
League right now, I would put them probably side by
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side as far as my opinion about who could win
the National League and potentially win the World Series. So
these next you know, seven or eight games, whatever it
is that they play each other is.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Is going to be amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And I think everybody he's an emotions start to go up,
and they don't really like each other, and there's been
guys throwing at each other and so this is as
a baseball fan, I think these are two series is
that I'll be definitely locked into.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Okay, well, you didn't mention the best team in Major
League Baseball, which is the Milwaukee Brewers. And I know
that you know Murphy Pat Murphy really really well. He's
the manager. He will used to be the head coach
at Arizona State. And did you did you stay in
his guest house in training camp.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, in two thousand and nine was with the A's
and we stayed Josh, my brother was at Arizona State
as the assistant to Murph, and we actually, yeah, we
spent the spring training in his guest house in Phoenix. So,
I know, look, I left them out and on an accident.
I mean, they're playing amazing, so I'll let you ask
the question. But yeah, I know Murph.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Really well, Okay, so how are they doing this?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, I mean I think it's it's one of those
things in sports where when you have a group of
guys that believe in each other, they like each other,
they kind of got that mojo going where they think
they're gonna win. We had a lot of that in
O seven with the Rockies when we won twenty one
out of twenty two to.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
End the season.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
And on paper, you know, we had a really good offense.
But you know, I think if you looked at the
names of the guys that were pitching, you'd be surprised.
And going back and looking at it of the kind
of you know, just the pitchers that we had nothing
to take anything away from them. They were pitching amazing,
but it's kind of one of those things where you
start to have that belief in each other and you
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just you have the confidence that you're going to find
a way to win and it may not look the
same every night, and you're not going to lean on
the same guys every night.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
They've had a lot of young players that have taken
steps forward and and are getting big hits and and
uh and seemingly the crowd in Milwaukee has become a
home field advantage, which it always has been, you know,
when they've been good, it's always been a really good
place or maybe difficult place i'd say as an opposition
to to.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Go in there and win.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
So I just think they have a lot of intangibles
going that sometimes you know, maybe pundits don't want to
give the getting credit to because it's not quantifiable and
you can't calculate it. Uh, but they seem to have
a lot of like like each other or two of them,
and and a lot of uh, you know, a lot
of the stuff as as athletes and that play in
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air in clubhouses and and have been on teams that
that's hard to recreate or hard to create and hard
to to maybe I'll talk you know, closely about how
it happened, but they seem to have found that sort
of magic.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, I ask me, really interesting week. Next week, I'm
actually going to the first of the day night doubleheader
on Monday. They have five against the Cubs on the road.
You mentioned they have that whatever that what's the French stage,
Jenny say quad. I don't know what. The momentum, the culture,
the camaraderie, they got this thing working, but it does
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sound like feel like because they don't have the veterans,
they don't have the names that you think are going
to absolutely produce in the postseason, there's still a all right,
let's see what it looks like when things get really tight.
How important is next week to find out what they
really got moving into the postseason?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably even more important
for the Cubs. Obviously, they're they're trying to figure out,
you know, if this thing gets.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Away from them, you know, the Brewer or are.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
A couple of wins against the Cubs, you know, to
start that that little run away from really creating a
gap that seems you know almost uh, you can't can't
quite get there. So I think the pressure is on
the Cubs. I mean, I think that the Brewers got
it going. I mean, look, if the Cubs come out
and punch them in the mouth three times, we'll find
out how how real this this uh this magic is
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and and you know it'll test you know what that
you know, kind of that momentum they've been riding and
the feel good they've had.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
If the Cubs come.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Out and punch them in the mouth three times, and
that that lead closes to two or three or four games,
and then all of a sudden they'll feel, you know,
a little bit of tightness and then all of a sudden,
you know, it might change the whole, you know, the
whole scene between these two teams. But I think you know,
currently standing that the Brewers go in they're very confident
with with where they're at, how they're playing, and will
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look to make a statement, you know, and maybe even
pull away from the Cubs and and and feel like
they're they're their their pad and that in the in
the central is is is very comfortable. So, like you said,
another great you know kind of run of games that
will be fun to watch. I like when these teams
are so close in proximity, you know, the Cubs and
Brewers have always been a good rivalry just because of
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how close together they are. And then you've got the
Padres and Dodgers. I think this is really you know,
good good TV watching baseball and and uh, I'm excited
to watch these uh these rivalries.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah, because that's what your that's what your cripple butt's
gonna be doing, is sitting there watching because you can't
you can't be uh, you can't be moving moving around. Uh.
Last thing, this is a hard one for me. This
is a hard one for me. So tonight I host
uh the pump Family Cancer Research dinner. Okay, So yesterday
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I'm at the hotel and I I'm hanging out with
Sammy Sosa and tonight they're honoring Barry Bonds and it's
like amazing, right, but you know, like I have this,
I mean like and I don't know your feelings towards it. Right,
you never took anything illegal, E listit nothing correct?
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Okay, So I feel like your numbers, your career and
we're friends would be looked at a completely different light
had their numbers not taking place. But I ran into
Sammy and I was like, I'm hanging out with Sammy Sosa.
It was like all of a sudden, the starting I
became fanboy, you know, nineteen ninety nine all over again.
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How do I handle that tonight?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, I mean, look, I mean I think that when
you look at the era in which they played, and
you know, I think we can all say that there
was definite steroid use and the game was it was
used widely, and there was a lot of guys, pitchers
and hitters using it, and so look, I mean I
think that it is what it is as far as
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cheating goes, and certainly tainted numbers and rec but I
think you know, when you start to acknowledge the best
players in the era, I think we can all do that,
just like we can in the dead ball era or
going back or even now, as the averages come down,
as the pitching goes up, and so you're always acknowledging
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the best players in certain eras. And so I think
that's one thing with baseball is is everybody holds very
tightly to the record books and the numbers and the stats,
and and I'm.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Good with that.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But I think that even when you start talking about
the Hall of Fame, I mean there's guys in the
Hall of Fame that use steroids.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
I mean, there's just there is.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And so I think that acknowledging some of these guys
that you know, use steroids and and having a place
in the Hall of Fame, that that that has their
own sort of era. And I think we can all
recognize that this was the steroid era. But these are
the best players inside the steroid era. And so I'm
(35:53):
I've probably softened my stance on that just a little
bit because I think we should recognize. Actually is I
think some guys have gotten in that you know that
there's definitely a question Mark's about. But yeah, I mean, look,
I think you can appreciate their greatness and with also,
you know, not not accepting or not approving.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Of what they did.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Fair enough. That's Matt Holiday, seven time All Star and
actually now he's Jackson and Ethan's dad, right, that's that's
actually which yeah, really all right, well, stay where you are,
ring that bell, make sure your your family, make sure
Grayson waits on your hand and foot. With those cookies,
you probably add about ten fifteen pounds.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
And I'm starving myself with sugar.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Well, you have to find stuff to challenge yourself.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
With on situations like this.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Tell everybody said, I I'll talk to you soon. Okay, that's
Matt Holiday joining us seven time All Star, four time
so for Star coming up next, and we'll get a
little Herd Line news with Greg Tooey. Justin Herbert made
a surprising decision this week. What was it final? Next
and the Herd.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
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Show on YouTube and subscribe if you missed it. Michigan
has been fined and hit with some additional punishments from
the Connor Stallion's issues of a couple years ago. We'll
get to that at the top of the hour. Before that,
let's get to Greg Twey with the news.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Hey Douger, Hello, Greg Twoy.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
All right, so we touched on this last hour.
Speaker 8 (37:51):
Matthew Stafford, who's not practicing all during training camp because
of an aggravated disc in his back. He will work
out Saturday, which is potentially good news for the Rams.
But here was Sean McVay after their joint practice versus
the Saints yesterday.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
He's gonna work out on Saturday.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
Hopefully it responds a little bit better and then I'll
have more information for you guys. Then it's uh, you know,
they were trying to get our hands around this as well,
so I would give I don't. I don't really have
much more information other than you know, I think you know,
we're we're trying some different things that are hopefully going
to be in alignment with getting him back out on
the field.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
McVey also said they haven't discussed whether surgery could be
an option yet. Last hour, TJ. Housman, Whoschman Zada told
us he's worried. On a scale of one to ten,
ted being the worst what's your worry level for Stafford
this year eight? That's that's pretty uh yeah, because you.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Remember two years ago the back was an issue and
at the at the end of the season, there was
talking retirement, right remember that, Yeah, I do. And then
they were like, well maybe we'll trade him. I don't
know what we'll do, and they're like, ah, and he's fine,
but there was clearly a thought of retirement and it
I'll quite obviously has not gotten better. And once you
get like, there's just here's the other part to having
(39:02):
a bad back that people have not yet mentioned. If
he plays, when he plays, he's going to get rid
of that ball way quicker than he gets It's one
of the things that a lot of these aging quarterbacks
go through is at the end, at the end of
their career, they do not want to get hit. They
do not so they get rid of that sucker really
(39:22):
really quickly, Like wait, why do he dirt that ball?
Because you don't like, if you watch Aaron Rodgers over
especially the last couple years with the Jets, like he's
getting rid of the ball way quicker than he used to.
So it's not just about can you get him on
the field of play, or how good he can play
or how often he can play. Right, if you play
a Sunday, I don't know if they haven't looked their
(39:43):
schedule turned Sunday Thursday, turnaround games, whatever. But when you
do play, it's it's impossible for you not to try
and protect yourself that way, and that changes all of
how you play, how you compete in football. Right, if
you're dirting ball, you shouldn't dirt. So when they play
the Colts and then the Niners play the Colts on
(40:06):
a Sunday at home, play the Niners on a Thursday
at home, huge game with the Niners. First question is
can you play that close together and your back not
lock up on you? And if you can't, like, all right,
now we got an issue. Now, Garoppolo, it's got to
play against Niners. And then if you do play, will
you play to the fullest your capability or will be
getting the rid of the ball quickly because you're afraid
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of getting that back hitting.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
Hurt yep, And just the thought of holding up over
seventeen game schedule is scary as well. We'll wrap it
up with this justin Herbert so so Ben Johnson earlier
this week announced that Caleb Williams will be playing this
Sunday versus the Bills in their preseason game. And now
we know that another star quarterback will be playing as well.
It's just Charger's quarterback, Justin Herbert will start for the
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versus the Rams and play in the preseason for the
first time in his career. And get this, Doug, this
was his idea. Here was Herbert this week.
Speaker 10 (40:59):
And saying, hey, is okay. You know I went in
and played because I think in years past the plane was,
you know, to rest and see those refs. But I
wanted to go out there and seal a pass rush
because you know in practice as a quarterback you don't
always get the true feeling of the pass rush. So
I thought to see helpful to go out there. And
he was understanding and kind of worked together and talking
the plane.
Speaker 8 (41:19):
So he went to Jim Harbaugh and said, coach, I
want to play in the preseason.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Sure. Now, if you're a Charger fan, do you want
Herbert playing at all in the pre season? I don't,
but you are your own best doctor. And there he
lost for Shawn Slater. So you got to feel like
the pass rush is going to be hotter. And remember
they open up the season Chiefs at home, Raiders in
the road, Broncos at home. So you open up with
three divisional games to start the year. He wants to
be sharp, he wants to be ready. And this is
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kind of a trend in the NFL. McVay brought in
the trend of not playing starters at all at all,
and then this year, if you've looked, more starters are playing.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
And that's great to me. With the news, well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
We got a great third hour of the show for you,
a very Wisconsin, very sports, very Brewer, and we're going
to get you ready for college football. With the latest
news as Michigan has been punished now thoroughly and completely
(42:22):
and finally by the NCAA for their sign stealing scandal
back a couple of years ago. How does it affect
Michigan football and the rest of their university? Find out
next time, Doug Gottlieb, this is the hurt
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
What up?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may make it this part of your day.
Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd
and for the next couple of hours, I want to
talk sports with you.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
God.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
So to those of you are like, hey, Gottleib, what
are you doing now? I'm a college basketball Oh that's right,
college basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, So what's that like? That's what everybody asks. That
everybody asks. And I'll share with you a lot if
you'd like. And it's this is it's a fascinating, fascinating
I don't want to say experiment, but just time of
change in all business. Right, I'll give you an example. Okay,
(01:28):
it's not just college sports. I think pro sports, especially basketball,
is about to change greatly. I'll explain in a second.
I think football. I think NFL football is going to change.
I mean the perfect example is, yes, Archie Manning, just
like arch Manning, just like Peyton Manning, just like Uh,
(01:55):
why am I forgetting Peyton Manning? What was the two
time Super Bowl champion? Why am I the other Manning?
Eli Manning? Sorry, okay, gonna stay four years. Not because
of nil, but because they believe, much like most people,
that the more reps you have, the more ready you are.
The more ready you are, the more confidence you have,
the more confidence you have, the better you play initially.
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The better you play initially, the easier it is for
you to maintain. You get like a year and a
half to be a starting quarterback in the NFL, and
if you can't do it, it's a top pick. Then
you're out right and you become a career backup, or
you bounce around chasing checks. You're doing the like the
Jets quarterback right. I mean this is his third team
(02:36):
in three years? Yeah, Justin Field's third team in three years.
Why is that? Because he basically got a year and
a half. Bearston think he's good enough. They moved on
goes to the Steelers. Steelers knew he wasn't good enough.
Same thing, Rinse repeat, rinse repeat. So I think that
the arch Manning thing doesn't have a ton to do
with NIL or rev share or the money that he's making.
(03:00):
Kid was making money as comes from money. Money isn't
the driving force. But I do think that the NFL
is going to change. The draft is so much different
now because everybody is older, and they're older because they
stay in school longer. They stay in school longer because
there's not the desperation for the NFL check the way
there used to be, which in many ways is a
(03:21):
good thing. There are bad things about NIL, Okay, there
are bad things about compensating athletes, but the fact that
they are staying in school longer is not one of them.
It is a benefit. Now, let's not act like that
was the intent of it. Okay, no one ever said, hey,
you know, once we start paying players, they're going to
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stay in school longer. Nobody said that it's an ancillary benefit.
It's an unintended consequence, but it is something that happens.
So there's a smaller pool of prospects for the NFL Draft,
but you have more tape on them. On the other hand,
they some of them have played it three or four schools,
five schools. Even so, it's harder to get the background
(04:05):
on what type of kid he is if he's only
been in a place for six months before he declares
for the NFL draft. Right, it's very different. And this
I believe North Carolina's got seventy new players, Bill belchiks
seventy new players, and like they're introducing themselves to each other,
like in warm up lines, and my name is Jim,
(04:26):
where are you from? Oklahoma State? Milwa, mantor sixty five
new players and you have like fifteen padded practices before
you play a real football game. Fifteen. Remember, most of
these teams don't have spring games. A lot of these
players are picked up in the spring, some in the summer,
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some right before the fall. So you would think your
offenses and your defenses might be a little bit more rudimentary.
College offenses have never been as ornate as pro offenses.
Same thing with defenses, and that may actually regress, whereas
in previous years you would think college offenses were kind
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of creating things that the NFL copied. So sports is changing.
In baseball, the Milwaukee Brewers are the talk of Major
League Baseball. Right, what are they won in a row?
Twenty two in a row or something twenty one in
a row, twelve in a row. I like the twenty
two is a better number.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
It was better.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
It's better. And we have the greatest SoundBite ever, the
most Wisconsin thing ever. We'll share with you later on
the show. They won twelve in a row. But the
Brewers were good last year. Remember this is a Brewers
team that lost their manager to their rival, the Cubs.
Why because Craig Council was like, Brewers are awesome, but
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the likelihood of winning is increased when you go to
the Cubs because they have more money. Right, the Brewers
are built. I've talked to their general manager. I've talked
to their manager, and they told me that every position
player they draft was a shortstop at some point in
their lives. Baseball has changed with the pitchclock, but more
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than anything with the bases, with the lack of ships,
athleticism is a much bigger part of the game. So
they're not just the best team in baseball. They tried
to build the best most athletic team in baseball. It's
one of the things that's happened to the Yankees going
back to that past couple of years is they were
built for a four gone era of just hit home
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runs or walk or strikeout, and now you can manufacture runs.
So sports changes in a myriad of ways. And in
college sports it's changed because we're now we're paying the players.
Right now, we're paying the players. And what you find is,
and look, I have one full year now in the bank.
(06:50):
I got the job at the middle of the end
of May last year. Hey, as you know, the portal
opens in March, so I didn't have a full season
that way. And not everything that I believe or maybe
even I know is accurate at the highest level, because
we are not at the highest level, but I do
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know in many ways how it operates. So Thomas Hammock
is the head coach of Northern Illinois. Okay, what do
you remember about Northern Illinois. Last season? They beat Notre Dame. Right,
Notre Dame beat Texas A and M on the road,
and they come back home they get beat by by
by Northern Illinois, and then Northern Illinois has average season
(07:33):
after that. So Northern Illinois, I'm sure, I'm might be
sure I'm guessing it's a tough putt financially for them.
Now they're going to join our league in basketball only
basketball and I think Olympic sports starting next year. And
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the Illinois schools, the non Champagne Urbana, Right, that's the
main universe when you say Illinois, that's the main campus.
But they have Eastern Illinois, they have Western Illinois, they
have Southern Illinois, the Sulukis, they have Northern Illinois, the Huskies.
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They got different schools, have different financial issues. Western Illinois
a ton of financial issues, like school could close down.
Financial issues in the Wisconsin system, Our school and Madison
University Wisconsin are the only two that are growing. We've
gone from like seven eight, nine thousand. We're twelve thousand
(08:35):
students this year and we're expanding. But all the other
university Wisconsin's Stout, Steven's Point River Falls, even Milwaukee, they're shrinking.
So there's a fight over budget. But the bigger thing is, Okay,
how how do you build a college football college basketball
(08:59):
program when you're trying to have a high retention rate?
Bring kids back, right, bring kids back every year? Because
we all know, like that's that's what Purdue has done.
That's one of the reasons that they win. Purdue is
like the model for college basketball. Yes, they sprinkle in
(09:21):
a transfer here, a transfer there. This year they take
in inn Israeli point guard to go with maybe the
best point guard in the country. They should be really,
really good. But the big thing for Purdue is like
they want their guys to stay. So I want you
to listen to something that Thomas Hammick said at a
press conference earlier this week. I posted it. It's got
(09:41):
over a million views just on my feet alone, so
I'm guessing this thing's gone viral. You're talking five to
ten million views or something overall. This is the head
coach of North Illinois.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
I enjoyed my college experience. I didn't get one dime,
but the lessons I learned was more value any money
you can ever pay me. And I appreciate that because
that is long term. People are losing the fact that
this is short term. I coached in the National Football
League for five years.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Five years.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Don't lose focus or work the long term. Get your degree,
learn valuable lesson that's going to help you in the
long term of your life. That's the whole purpose. This
is a transition from being a kid to a grown up.
And I hope people don't lose focus of that.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So keep in mind. This is Thomas Hammock, who is
an alum of Northern Illinois.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
He played football there back in the heyday in ninety
nine to two thousand and two. Then he went to
Madison and he got his masters and he started coaching football.
And I understand that what happens is the human brain
works this way. I here pick the college coach. You
(11:03):
know when Nick sables coach, he's making ten million dollars, right,
so he makes ten million, the players make nothing. There's
there's two parts to it. First part is do I
think that at the very very top of the salary pool,
college coaches are overpaid?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, probably. But I also think they're CEOs of companies.
I'm a CEO of a company. The buck stops here.
I have to manage my recruiting budget, like we we had.
We had to change our black uniforms, okay, but to
put in a full set of Adidas uniforms, it's like
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twenty nine hundred bucks. We had to change uniforms because
they're not NCAA compliant in the in the chance that
we make the NCAA tournament this year, we could only
wear the gray uniforms. It's the only ones that were
NCAA compliant. So we redid the white ones. But they're like, yeah,
we're not gonna wear white in the na tournament anyway, right,
Like we're not going to be a lower seed than anybody.
So in an effort to save money, it's a real thing,
(12:06):
we just redid the tops. That's it. So it's seventeen
hundred bucks instead of twenty nine hundred bucks. And you're like, well,
what is that that affords me a little bit more money?
You know, we call back every vendor that we use.
We have an analytics company that I think is outstanding
I would love to have, and we got like the
(12:28):
Cadillac setup. I had to have an uncomfortable conversation like, hey,
we either need to cut this contract or trim it
down or figure it out. Why Because I need that money,
because I got to compensate players. I got to compensate
my coaching staff. Remember Thomas Hammock. You may sit there
and think, you know, whatever he makes at Northern Illinois
as head coach, he started as a GA at Wisconsin,
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a ga, you're not getting any money. You're simply getting
your school paid for. Then he was a running back
coach at his alma mater for a year. Then he
was with the Minnesota Vikings in the NFL for three years. Yes, right,
starting as the running backs coach and then working at
co offensive coordinator and running backs coach. So now he
started creeping into the six figures area. Then he coached
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back at at Wisconsin. Then he was with the Ravens
again as the running back coach for four years. So
he has worked since he graduated college in two thousand
and two till now, hey, this is when he got
this head coaching. First head coaching break was seventeen years later.
She's like, oh my gosh, look at how much money
Thomas Hammock makes. Dude, he works seventeen years to get
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to that spot. But here's the honest question, and look,
this is is it some of it recruiting, Yeah, but
a lot of it is true. How are we going
to have alumni games in college sports? Alumnia's what's your
alma mater? There's one other thing he didn't calculate in there.
(13:57):
He didn't talk about, and you can follow me on
Twitter at Gottlieb Show. You can see this the fold
context of the rant. If you haven't heard already, we
have no value as a society now for getting into college,
getting into college. If you don't know how hard it
(14:19):
is to get into college, you haven't had a kid
apply for college recently. When I was coming out of
high school at Tustin High School in Orange County, California
in nineteen ninety five, the safety to all safety schools
the easiest school to get into in the cal State
system because you have like in order, you had U
(14:39):
see system. That's you U see Santa Barbara, UCLA, Berkeley,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, then you have
the cal Poly system a little bit less difficult still, Okay,
that's cal Poly that's in Pomona, and cal Poly San
Luis Obispo that's in uh sant L's Smithspo, Central Coast.
Then you have the cal States which were easier and
you basically had to graduate like a two five. If
(15:01):
you had a pulse, you were getting in San Dieo State.
And then if you want to party, went to San
Diego State. If you want to smoke weed, you went
to Humboldt or to what's the other one that's up there? Oh, man,
I can't remember. There's two that are way up north right,
and everybody and you'd say, well, I'm gonna major horticulture. Yeah,
we know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
San Diego State now is unbelievably hard to get into
one of the most difficult schools in the country to
get into. Why there's sports called their basketball team was awesome,
and then people are like, I could go to school
in San Diego, where do I sign up? Well, it's
become like you get a four point zero and not
get into Santue State and being in state, and of
(15:44):
course all the kids out of state want to come in.
Why do you want to have more out of state
kids come in if you're santy a state because you
make more money international you can charge whatever you want.
So there's no calculation or valuation from parents, agents, or
people on social media of getting into school and then
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the college experience growing becoming the dude he talks about
playing time, Like a lot of these kids, they hey,
if you're gonna give me, you know what I make
one point five x of what I make, they'll go
and just chase the dollar and then they realize that's
it's the Peter principle. Do you guys know the Peter principles.
(16:24):
It's when you're promoted above the level of your competency.
If last year you were in the MAC and you
were a starter and you transferred to the Big ten
and now you're not a star, you're like, man, I
was killing at the MAC. They promised me a chance,
they give me more money. Like, dude, that's not how
it works. You were in the MAC for a reason.
And again, I know JJ Watt came from the MAC
and is a Hall of Famer when he transferred and
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transitioned to a different position and played at Wisconsin. But
those stories are outliers. The reality is most guys who
leave and most teams lead, they you lose your whole team,
whole team. And I just think it's very easy to say, well,
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these kids deserve it, okay, but what but what do
you lose when you leave? What do you lose? You're
never going to have your jersey on a wall if
you leave, You're not. No one's going to retire outside
(17:29):
of Shador Sanders, but it's two years of Colorado. No
one's going to retire a number of a guy who
played there for a year or yeah, you know, as
a transfer that just doesn't happen. That just doesn't happen.
And you have to understand where you fit in the
salary pool. You know, low level six figures on a
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high major club in college basketball means you're not going
to play. I hope you are, like, so we tell
both the like you can go take that. That's It's great.
If it's your senior year and somebody offers you one
hundred and twenty five thousand dollars to play at name
your power for school or the Big East, do you
know that money means you're not going to play. And
(18:12):
that's great if that's what you want. Hey, I want
some money to start me on my professional life. Great.
If you want to play basketball, you need to have
basketball film to then go play. And then the other
thing we're doing, and this is more basketball Pacific, but
it's also football specific. We're screwing up the minds of
what the market looks like. Let me give you an example.
Okay again in college basketball. And I know this because
(18:34):
this is the world in which I operated in When
I'm not hosting the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Support Radio.
There are lots of players playing college basketball making two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, and again, as I said,
two hundred fifty thousand dollars, Maybe you play, Maybe you don't,
Probably you play. Probably you're a starter now at a
(18:55):
power for school at two hundred and fifty grand. You're
not the guy, but you're one of the guys. You
get done playing, hey, remember the G League doesn't play that.
You're not good enough to make the NBA. You go overseas. Hey,
I'm going to go overseas. Do you want to know
what you make? Usually when you're playing overseas, your first
year m maybe six figures. Maybe, So what happens you
(19:21):
get done playing in Your agent's like I got a
deal for you. Okay, it's second division. They hear second division.
They're like, no, no, no, no, this that works. Second division
Italy take care of everything. Live on the water. It's great.
All Bill's taken care of seventy five thousand dollars. Like
I just made two hundred and fifty thousand dollars playing
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at whatever state university in right, We've completely screwed that
up where seventy five thousand dollars for a rookie in
a to in Italy is a lot of money. It's
a great opportunity. And then the idea is every year
you stack, you make more, more, more, more and more
and more more, and eventually you hope playing your league
team and you make seven figures and you send that
money home. So the point is that in everyone's effort
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to make sure college athletes are compensated, we are screwing
up all these different pieces. Valuing getting into school, valuing
the actual college experience, valuing in being a dude and
having an alma mater, a place to call home, and
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the market for when they get out of school. Other
than that is a perfect system. Outside of that, Missus Lincoln,
how was the show? I'm Doug gottlieb in for Colin Cowhert.
This is the Herd. Do the Padres have a shot
at burying the Dodgers Over the next week and a half,
(20:50):
We'll ask a seven time All star next in the Herd.
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It's good to catch up with my good friend. Let's
talk some baseball, shall we. We got the red hot
Brewers handing out burgers to everybody in Wisconsin or Milwaukee specifically.
We have these slumping Dodgers. We have the the the
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Yankees kind of being in in sort of no man's land.
You got the Rise of the Padres. We're getting ready
for fall baseball. He he's a producer of multiple future
major league stars, including Jackson Holiday, the number one overall
pick two years ago for the Orioles starts for the
Oils now and Ethan Holliday, who is the fourth fifth, fourth,
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fourth fourth pick of the draft with the Colorado Rockies,
who also select him. He's Matt Holiday, seven time All
Star joining us. He's he's rehabbing. He had hip replacement surgery.
What a week ago, Mat.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, Wednesday? I wish I was rehabbing. I text the
doctor what kind of rehab should be doing? And he
laughed at me. So, I think the first two weeks
are very just sit around on your butt. So I'm
I'm doing the best I can.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
As you know, I.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Don't sit well, so I'm I'm waiting for the go
ahead for some sort of rehab. But yeah, so just
trying to get to that two week mark and and
get back to being a little more active.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
What percentage of the hip issues were baseball related? You
played football, you're high school American football quarterback. You played
pickup basketball, but then you became like a pickleball fiend
over the past three or four years, right like ninety
nine days and one hundred playing multiple games of pick
a ball. Did you ask your doctor what sport led
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to this?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Issue.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I didn't ask him. I'm guessing it's a culmination. I'm
guessing a lot of it is my right hip with
my leg kick and just sort of constantly coiling around
my back hip for baseball swings. And then I'm sure
that you know, the hours of pickleball that I've put
in certainly probably didn't help it. If I was just
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content on hanging out and doing kind of a basic workout,
you know, three or four times a week, I probably
would have been able to hold this off.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
But I love to be active. I love to play pickleball.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
So when it got to the point where it's prohibitive
to do, you know, pretty much anything athletic, I figured
it was time to go ahead and I'm young, and
get it done and hopefully be back on the pickleball
court sooner and later.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
All Right, there you go. He's a He was a
ranked national pickball player, but mostly for being a seven
time All Star. Matt Holliday joining us here uh in
the heard Doug Gottlie filling in for Colin What what's
wrong with the Dodgers?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well, I mean I think you could just you go
back to the starting pitching health. I mean, they haven't
had the consistent rotation that that they kind of hoped for.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I think they accounted.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
For that by having a lot of depths, but the
in and out inconsistencies of rotation is probably where you start.
I think that, you know, Mookie Betts has not been,
uh the perennial MVP caliber player that we're used to.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So that's a you know, when you take one of
your two or three probably best players on the team
and there's quite a bit of a dip in production
and uh you feel that that's not easily replaceable or
accounted for. So I think that certainly has something to
do with it that makes it easier, you know, when
you're when you're deciding whether to pitch around show or not,
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if Mookie's not doing if he's not doing mooky things,
then it makes it easier on your decision making on
who you're gonna let beat you. So I would say, look,
they're still extremely talented, and they're they're going to be
in the playoffs and they're very very.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Dangerous as we saw last year.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
If you get in the playoffs, and even if you
don't have a rotation, that's that's dominating. Uh, you start
to put together a bullpen and pieces and guys that
even if they don't you know, even if guys can't
recover to fully six seven innings, Uh, you start to
be able to piece games together with arms that are.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Getting healthy late in the season.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So I think they're just as big a threat to
win the World Series as they were at the beginning
of the season. Now, they're not going to win one
hundred and twenty games. Maybe we thought with the roster
they constructed, but it's very difficult over one hundred and
sixty two game season for everything to go as planned
and sort of the formula that you put on paper
is going to work out. It's just such a long
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season and there's so many factors that play into that.
But when it comes down to a playoff month, I
think they're just as good a position as they were ever.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Okay, so it's not a playoff month, but it's a
really interesting week and a half right where Padres at home,
then you get the Rockies, which again would feel like
kind of a mental break, and we know the Rockies
are in massive rebuild mode, and then they got Padres
on the road. How do you think this plays out?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean I think it's great theater. I mean,
I love watching these two teams play each other in general.
I think right now as they start to jockey for
position on who wins the West, and you start to
look at the by scenario and look any think it
happened in baseball, so you you definitely want to try
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to win the division and get that that series.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
You know that you don't want to play in that
first series.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
And I think the Padres more than any other team
maybe at the deadline, with adding a couple of those relievers,
put themselves in a spot to to really, you know,
as you like we talked about, you know, in the
Dodgers last year dominating the postseason with their bullpen. When
I watched the Padres bullpen, it's incredible the arms they
roll out of there. So even if their starter gives
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them four, four or five innings, they're rolling out all
star caliber pitchers from inning five through nine, pitching in
the high nineties. So they're their bullpen as I watch,
and then you know, I think getting Ramon Lariano and
and Ryan O'Hearn from the Orioles, so obviously I follow
very close to Jackson linked in their lineup uh, Loreano's
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having an amazing season. I think maybe a little bit
under the radar, but he's a very dangerous hitter. He's
hitting home runs and and he's been really good since
traded over, So I think he linked in their lineup.
The Padres are a very dangerous team. I think they're
equally If I had to, you know, handicapped the National
League right now, I would put them probably side by
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side as far as my opinion about who could win
the National League and potentially win the World Series. So
these next you know, seven or eight games, whatever it
is that they play each other is.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Is going to be amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And I think everybody he's an emotions start to go up,
and they don't really like each other, and there's been
guys throwing at each other and so this is as
a baseball fan, I think these are two series is
that I'll be definitely locked into.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Okay, well, you didn't mention the best team in Major
League Baseball, which is the Milwaukee Brewers. And I know
that you know Murphy Pat Murphy really really well. He's
the manager. He will used to be the head coach
at Arizona State. And did you did you stay in
his guest house in training camp.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, in two thousand and nine was with the A's
and we stayed Josh, my brother was at Arizona State
as the assistant to Murph, and we actually, yeah, we
spent the spring training in his guest house in Phoenix. So,
I know, look, I left them out and on an accident.
I mean, they're playing amazing, so I'll let you ask
the question. But yeah, I know Murph.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Really well, Okay, so how are they doing this?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, I mean I think it's it's one of those
things in sports where when you have a group of
guys that believe in each other, they like each other,
they kind of got that mojo going where they think
they're gonna win. We had a lot of that in
O seven with the Rockies when we won twenty one
out of twenty two to.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
End the season.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
And on paper, you know, we had a really good offense.
But you know, I think if you looked at the
names of the guys that were pitching, you'd be surprised.
And going back and looking at it of the kind
of you know, just the pitchers that we had nothing
to take anything away from them. They were pitching amazing,
but it's kind of one of those things where you
start to have that belief in each other and you
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just you have the confidence that you're going to find
a way to win and it may not look the
same every night, and you're not going to lean on
the same guys every night.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
They've had a lot of young players that have taken
steps forward and and are getting big hits and and
uh and seemingly the crowd in Milwaukee has become a
home field advantage, which it always has been, you know,
when they've been good, it's always been a really good
place or maybe difficult place i'd say as an opposition
to to.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Go in there and win.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
So I just think they have a lot of intangibles
going that sometimes you know, maybe pundits don't want to
give the getting credit to because it's not quantifiable and
you can't calculate it. Uh, but they seem to have
a lot of like like each other or two of them,
and and a lot of uh, you know, a lot
of the stuff as as athletes and that play in
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air in clubhouses and and have been on teams that
that's hard to recreate or hard to create and hard
to to maybe I'll talk you know, closely about how
it happened, but they seem to have found that sort
of magic.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, I ask me, really interesting week. Next week, I'm
actually going to the first of the day night doubleheader
on Monday. They have five against the Cubs on the road.
You mentioned they have that whatever that what's the French stage,
Jenny say quad. I don't know what. The momentum, the culture,
the camaraderie, they got this thing working, but it does
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sound like feel like because they don't have the veterans,
they don't have the names that you think are going
to absolutely produce in the postseason, there's still a all right,
let's see what it looks like when things get really tight.
How important is next week to find out what they
really got moving into the postseason?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably even more important
for the Cubs. Obviously, they're they're trying to figure out,
you know, if this thing gets.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Away from them, you know, the Brewer or are.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
A couple of wins against the Cubs, you know, to
start that that little run away from really creating a
gap that seems you know almost uh, you can't can't
quite get there. So I think the pressure is on
the Cubs. I mean, I think that the Brewers got
it going. I mean, look, if the Cubs come out
and punch them in the mouth three times, we'll find
out how how real this this uh this magic is
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and and you know it'll test you know what that
you know, kind of that momentum they've been riding and
the feel good they've had.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
If the Cubs come.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Out and punch them in the mouth three times, and
that that lead closes to two or three or four games,
and then all of a sudden they'll feel, you know,
a little bit of tightness and then all of a sudden,
you know, it might change the whole, you know, the
whole scene between these two teams. But I think you know,
currently standing that the Brewers go in they're very confident
with with where they're at, how they're playing, and will
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look to make a statement, you know, and maybe even
pull away from the Cubs and and and feel like
they're they're their their pad and that in the in
the central is is is very comfortable. So, like you said,
another great you know kind of run of games that
will be fun to watch. I like when these teams
are so close in proximity, you know, the Cubs and
Brewers have always been a good rivalry just because of
(33:16):
how close together they are. And then you've got the
Padres and Dodgers. I think this is really you know,
good good TV watching baseball and and uh, I'm excited
to watch these uh these rivalries.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah, because that's what your that's what your cripple butt's
gonna be doing, is sitting there watching because you can't
you can't be uh, you can't be moving moving around. Uh.
Last thing, this is a hard one for me. This
is a hard one for me. So tonight I host
uh the pump Family Cancer Research dinner. Okay, So yesterday
(33:48):
I'm at the hotel and I I'm hanging out with
Sammy Sosa and tonight they're honoring Barry Bonds and it's
like amazing, right, but you know, like I have this,
I mean like and I don't know your feelings towards it. Right,
you never took anything illegal, E listit nothing correct?
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Okay, So I feel like your numbers, your career and
we're friends would be looked at a completely different light
had their numbers not taking place. But I ran into
Sammy and I was like, I'm hanging out with Sammy Sosa.
It was like all of a sudden, the starting I
became fanboy, you know, nineteen ninety nine all over again.
(34:30):
How do I handle that tonight?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, I mean, look, I mean I think that when
you look at the era in which they played, and
you know, I think we can all say that there
was definite steroid use and the game was it was
used widely, and there was a lot of guys, pitchers
and hitters using it, and so look, I mean I
think that it is what it is as far as
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cheating goes, and certainly tainted numbers and rec but I
think you know, when you start to acknowledge the best
players in the era, I think we can all do that,
just like we can in the dead ball era or
going back or even now, as the averages come down,
as the pitching goes up, and so you're always acknowledging
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the best players in certain eras. And so I think
that's one thing with baseball is is everybody holds very
tightly to the record books and the numbers and the stats,
and and I'm.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Good with that.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But I think that even when you start talking about
the Hall of Fame, I mean there's guys in the
Hall of Fame that use steroids.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
I mean, there's just there is.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And so I think that acknowledging some of these guys
that you know, use steroids and and having a place
in the Hall of Fame, that that that has their
own sort of era. And I think we can all
recognize that this was the steroid era. But these are
the best players inside the steroid era. And so I'm
(35:53):
I've probably softened my stance on that just a little
bit because I think we should recognize. Actually is I
think some guys have gotten in that you know that
there's definitely a question Mark's about. But yeah, I mean, look,
I think you can appreciate their greatness and with also,
you know, not not accepting or not approving.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Of what they did.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Fair enough. That's Matt Holiday, seven time All Star and
actually now he's Jackson and Ethan's dad, right, that's that's
actually which yeah, really all right, well, stay where you are,
ring that bell, make sure your your family, make sure
Grayson waits on your hand and foot. With those cookies,
you probably add about ten fifteen pounds.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
And I'm starving myself with sugar.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Well, you have to find stuff to challenge yourself.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
With on situations like this.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Tell everybody said, I I'll talk to you soon. Okay, that's
Matt Holiday joining us seven time All Star, four time
so for Star coming up next, and we'll get a
little Herd Line news with Greg Tooey. Justin Herbert made
a surprising decision this week. What was it final? Next
and the Herd.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
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the Connor Stallion's issues of a couple years ago. We'll
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let's get to Greg Twey with the news.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Hey Douger, Hello, Greg Twoy.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
All right, so we touched on this last hour.
Speaker 8 (37:51):
Matthew Stafford, who's not practicing all during training camp because
of an aggravated disc in his back. He will work
out Saturday, which is potentially good news for the Rams.
But here was Sean McVay after their joint practice versus
the Saints yesterday.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
He's gonna work out on Saturday.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
Hopefully it responds a little bit better and then I'll
have more information for you guys. Then it's uh, you know,
they were trying to get our hands around this as well,
so I would give I don't. I don't really have
much more information other than you know, I think you know,
we're we're trying some different things that are hopefully going
to be in alignment with getting him back out on
the field.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
McVey also said they haven't discussed whether surgery could be
an option yet. Last hour, TJ. Housman, Whoschman Zada told
us he's worried. On a scale of one to ten,
ted being the worst what's your worry level for Stafford
this year eight? That's that's pretty uh yeah, because you.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Remember two years ago the back was an issue and
at the at the end of the season, there was
talking retirement, right remember that, Yeah, I do. And then
they were like, well maybe we'll trade him. I don't
know what we'll do, and they're like, ah, and he's fine,
but there was clearly a thought of retirement and it
I'll quite obviously has not gotten better. And once you
get like, there's just here's the other part to having
(39:02):
a bad back that people have not yet mentioned. If
he plays, when he plays, he's going to get rid
of that ball way quicker than he gets It's one
of the things that a lot of these aging quarterbacks
go through is at the end, at the end of
their career, they do not want to get hit. They
do not so they get rid of that sucker really
(39:22):
really quickly, Like wait, why do he dirt that ball?
Because you don't like, if you watch Aaron Rodgers over
especially the last couple years with the Jets, like he's
getting rid of the ball way quicker than he used to.
So it's not just about can you get him on
the field of play, or how good he can play
or how often he can play. Right, if you play
a Sunday, I don't know if they haven't looked their
(39:43):
schedule turned Sunday Thursday, turnaround games, whatever. But when you
do play, it's it's impossible for you not to try
and protect yourself that way, and that changes all of
how you play, how you compete in football. Right, if
you're dirting ball, you shouldn't dirt. So when they play
the Colts and then the Niners play the Colts on
(40:06):
a Sunday at home, play the Niners on a Thursday
at home, huge game with the Niners. First question is
can you play that close together and your back not
lock up on you? And if you can't, like, all right,
now we got an issue. Now, Garoppolo, it's got to
play against Niners. And then if you do play, will
you play to the fullest your capability or will be
getting the rid of the ball quickly because you're afraid
(40:28):
of getting that back hitting.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
Hurt yep, And just the thought of holding up over
seventeen game schedule is scary as well. We'll wrap it
up with this justin Herbert so so Ben Johnson earlier
this week announced that Caleb Williams will be playing this
Sunday versus the Bills in their preseason game. And now
we know that another star quarterback will be playing as well.
It's just Charger's quarterback, Justin Herbert will start for the
(40:49):
versus the Rams and play in the preseason for the
first time in his career. And get this, Doug, this
was his idea. Here was Herbert this week.
Speaker 10 (40:59):
And saying, hey, is okay. You know I went in
and played because I think in years past the plane was,
you know, to rest and see those refs. But I
wanted to go out there and seal a pass rush
because you know in practice as a quarterback you don't
always get the true feeling of the pass rush. So
I thought to see helpful to go out there. And
he was understanding and kind of worked together and talking
the plane.
Speaker 8 (41:19):
So he went to Jim Harbaugh and said, coach, I
want to play in the preseason.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Sure. Now, if you're a Charger fan, do you want
Herbert playing at all in the pre season? I don't,
but you are your own best doctor. And there he
lost for Shawn Slater. So you got to feel like
the pass rush is going to be hotter. And remember
they open up the season Chiefs at home, Raiders in
the road, Broncos at home. So you open up with
three divisional games to start the year. He wants to
be sharp, he wants to be ready. And this is
(41:43):
kind of a trend in the NFL. McVay brought in
the trend of not playing starters at all at all,
and then this year, if you've looked, more starters are playing.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
And that's great to me. With the news, well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
We got a great third hour of the show for you,
a very Wisconsin, very sports, very Brewer, and we're going
to get you ready for college football. With the latest
news as Michigan has been punished now thoroughly and completely
(42:22):
and finally by the NCAA for their sign stealing scandal
back a couple of years ago. How does it affect
Michigan football and the rest of their university? Find out
next time, Doug Gottlieb, this is the hurt
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