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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, and welcome into Fantasy Pros that live on Twitch.
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That's where you can fall us for all the live
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and NFL training Camp and preseason continues to roll on

(00:24):
and break it all down from a fantasy perspective and
answer your questions. Is Derek Brown?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
De bro?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
How are you today, my friend? As we are yet
one day closer to it all getting going here, Bro, the.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Voice is doing a little bit better or a little
bit worse depending on the minute. But no, man, I'm
excited we saw the James Cook contract get announced. Of course,
I love it when the NFL news breaks right when
I'm trying to get my kids ready and out the
door and stuff. So like I'm trying to like get
notes updated, I'm yelling at the kids to put shoes
on and stuff. And it was the first day schools. Yeah, no,

(00:58):
at its own timetable, Baby NFL runs at its own timetable.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
First day of school on a Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yes, sir, that's how they always do it in Texas. Man.
It's like a full day on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and
then they start the next week. And I'm like, so
if you just start a Monday, dude, we're getting something
doing here. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, you know, back in my day we used to
go five days a week. But you know, maybe maybe
that was too long ago. But no, glad to hear
the kids are back in school. That means your full
steam ahead on the season. So excited to get inside
all those thoughts, all the changing opinions you've had over
the past forty hours or so since you've been back
on the ground. And go ahead, guys, drop your questions below.

(01:36):
We'll be sure to get to them. And after the program,
make sure you check out the Fancy Pros YouTube channel
and the podcast fed. Some really fun episodes are out
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You should be checking out. And looks like we already
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Speaker 2 (01:50):
By the way, seth top ten in sports podcast, All
Sports podcast, Baby, I checked it this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
We are let's go, baby, Let's go appreciate that that's awesome.
That's because of everyone hanging out with us. Yes, socially
every time, like thought to miss Prime and Nick Steeler
also saying, thanks guys, I've had a rubbish day until now. Dude.
Look that's what's all about. Man, I you know I've
had those bad days. You get in with your favorite podcast,

(02:18):
your favorite creators, and you to hang out with them,
and it makes it a lot better.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So nicks Prime is an elite screen names.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Elite.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, one hundred percent there, Nick, thanks so much for
hanging out with us. Man, Glad your day is getting
a little bit better. And Mike saying I can top
that my kids had their first day on a frond
on a Friday. What's going on? Well, I'm to get
into te ut least.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
You know your kids only had to do the one
and then at the weekend and stuff. So there's that.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
So jeez, jeez, God bless you, God bless you mayor
uh and Thoughtimus also asking thoughts on Tory Horton in Dynasty, Derek,
I know he was someone. I think you like the
tape a little bit, Tory Horton, how do you feel
with the landing spot? Of course, JSN in the in
action out there, and of course Cooper Cup hanging out
as well. So do you think there is room for

(03:10):
Horton to make a splash with Sam Darnold at quarterback
or do you think a change would have to come
for that to happen.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
No, I mean right now, I think NBS has actually
been working with the second team. Horton's getting reps at
the first team, and he's he's flashing in camp. Man,
He's he's a guy. Yeah. We talked about on the
NFL Draft show for Fantasy Pros, and he popped in
a number of ways. Man, like the twenty twenty four
injury shortened season, but the least four or five yards
per route run. You also go further back in his

(03:36):
collegiate career, he was twenty second in yards per route
run in twenty twenty two. Like I'm just I'm obviously
reading all of this stuff off of my roocky wide
receiver primer. I liked him a lot, man. My com
for him coming out because he has that X that
X clasher kind of style, can stretch the field. He's
a contortionist in the air. My com for him coming

(03:56):
out was Marvin Jones dude. So like I like Horton
a lot, and I mean him or Elijah Roya. We
are one Cooper Cup injury away from one of those
guys fighting, I mean both of them fighting for number
two in the target pecking order for Seattle. And it's
none like Cupp has been the picture of health and
I'm not forecasting injuries, but at this point in his career,

(04:17):
I mean we can kind of say, like that's part
of what's been the issue the last few years for Cup.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, I completely agree with you, man. And I first
laid eyes on Tory Horton back in the Rocky Mountain Showdown.
I believe it was two years ago at this point,
Game Day was there and I was like, man, who
is this guy? Like he was the one guy on
Colorado State that I was kind of impressed with. So
I let you as a prospect the landing spot I'm
okay with. I think it will get better. I don't

(04:45):
think it's gonna be a year one pop or anything
for him, but I think he's the guy you kind
of sit on Dynasty. If you have a taxi squad,
you throw him in there. Where would you be taking
right now? In rookie draftsick right now ECR for Dynasty rookies,
he's thirty six overall? Does that sound about late third,
early fourth round?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Good?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
As far as super flex goes.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I've got Tory Horton, so I'm looking at where I
had him. Yeah, I mean he would be so super
flex ranks he would be. Yeah, I've got him at
fifty third overall, but like some of that I probably need.
Shouldn't like move him up some I'd say somewhere like anywhere,
because dude, the thing about it is like, once you

(05:27):
get into the late third round, it's all bets are off. Dude,
Like that's the point where you're just taking your guys.
So at any point, like you could put Tory Horton
right there in that like Isaac Tesla, Pat Bryan Elick
Aman or like that kind of phylum, and I don't
think it's wrong. And that's kind of like so the
conversation for Horton starts like in the thirties, so like

(05:50):
you know, late like mid third, late third totally.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Okay, Okay, awesome, awesome, love that Bam Bam brandtson hanging
out as saying go let's go go birds man, uh
and uh We also have Bam Bam saying breakfast, Sando
of the day boys, pork Roll, Egg Cooper Sharp, Kai's
are Roll, also some tasty cakes candy cakes to make
it through the morning meeting.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Are you living living living his best life here? I
love it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Are you pork roll guy, Derek? Is that something you
eat before? Okay?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yes, totally down with that.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
I haven't had a ton I love.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I love breakfast sandwiches man breakfast like some with some
like what that? Or like on a bagel? Yes? Yes, yes,
all day?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Also all day listen to this man. So when I
first met my fiance, she like outlawed every time I
would eat a English muffin, she would like just roll
her eyes at me, and I was like what, And
She's like that's so dry, that's so dry, and like wrong.
She is not wrong, but her dad would eat one
every single day when she would grow up, and she

(06:53):
would never eat it. And now, like all of a sudden,
like two months ago, she just started like loving these
and like she's all about the English muffin life, and
I'm just like, why am I getting shamed though, for
like eight years of a relationship for eating anything on
an you need a change.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
No, you know what that means. It's probably that that however,
her parents cooked it because I dealt with this growing up,
like my parents cook, couldn't cook anything like it was horrible,
So like I didn't know what I like. I hated
steak for the longest time because my mom would butcher it.
It was like, well done, You're like, the only flavor
you're getting out of the steak that was cooked in
my house growing up was like you were dipping it

(07:30):
in something else. Sure, Like I grew up loving a
one and yes I was a ketch up with steak
guy because my mom would butcher the steaks. It was horrible. Yeah,
you know, I mean there could be a similar situation
as that, Like I will say that the thing to
set it off, like English mutton muffins. You need something
as a buffer there, whether that's something like what a
lot of times it's cheese or something like that to

(07:51):
kind of counteract the dryness, or if like you know,
maybe your dad was like an habitual like he liked
the crunch and he would leave it in the toaster
for too long or something true true, And I will say,
shout out to your fiance she is an absolutely wonderful human.
Definitely your better half getting into me as well.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Lam Yes, yeah yeah. Field Yates told me once on
a program that there are reachers and there are settlers
in life. I'm definitely a reach.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
You out kicked the coverage. Definitely outkicked you. Definitely out
kicked no doubt.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Shout out to absolutely shout out Katie. We appreciate you.
Nick asking in the chat, if you draft a top
three tight end, do you ever draft a second or
just wait for waivers? What do you think, derekr Are
you using a roster slot on an extra tee or no?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Nope, there's no point. Like this kind of goes back
to the best Ball motto. Draft like you're right, and
if you're draft them like you're right. Like it now,
if you wanted to take a shot on a guy
like at the very end of like last round, or
somebody like an Elijah Royo, like yeah, sure, I'm fine
with that, But like that's really comes down to like
leagues where it's either a fourteen team or or a
sixteen team or so like deeper leagues, that's where I

(08:57):
think it's more applicable. Or teams were you've got a
deeper bench, so like you're rolling six maybe seven deep
or something like that. Maybe there's some shallower formats, so
really it has to be a deep bench because dude, again,
this comes down to like, if you're drafting like you're right,
if you're spinning up for the elite tight end, you
are being that premium for them to be a difference

(09:17):
maker at a onesie position. And if that doesn't happen,
you were already behind the ball anyway. So why are
you like to me the later rounds? Or you take
shots on rookies and wide receivers and running backs, whether
it's RB two's on depth charts or wide receivers that
we think like Tory Horton that could be like a
guy where maybe they evolve into a weekly flex spot.

(09:38):
So no, I mean, I'm if I'm paying up for
a tight end in almost every single format outside of
what I talked about deep benches or deep leagues. No,
I'm not drafting another tight end late Like you're basically
you're hedging and it's like, what at what point? Because
you already made the bet to stand with it.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, I'm with you. The only time I have dab
into getting another tight end. When I do draft the
top three guy is like tight end premium, right, that's
really the only thing.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, yeah, I mean but then you're then you're just
saying that likes we're gonna equal like wide receiver three
times right format.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, Like I think I took a George
Kittle just because he was falling too far. And then
I think I grabbed the Tyler Warren late because it
was the keeper League. I'm like, I might keep Tyler
Warren next year. So love that question though, Nick, Thanks
for hanging out with us so much today. Man, hope
your day continues to improve.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Uh And then we got another question here from our
guy M three r C K three D.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
So how do you pronounce that? I guess we're going
marked like these are back to the back dude.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
The backwards guys, I just gotta tell you the backwards ease.
They really get me. Sometimes I think I'm dyslexic when
I read him because it just doesn't go down.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, both both can be true, seth true.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I just joined a twelve team half hepr league one
quarterback two running back two wide receiver two running back
slash to a wide receiver, tight end, flex, one tight end,
one kicker, once defense slash special team, and he got
a couple of bench spots as well. This is a
weird format for me. What strategy should I have going
into this? I'm used to a ten team league and
best ball is premium tight end as important as in

(11:19):
ten team leagues? Should I prioritize either a tight end
or a quarterback in the first three or four rounds
with this many flex spots? Is running back a little
more important than wide receiver? So convoluted question from a
guy Merke, how do you help him out here? Derek?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I mean, and so going from a ten to a
twelve teamer, being strong at the onesie positions isn't as imperative.
I'm not saying that it's not still viable if you
and we've talked about this on a number of shows.
The ability to pay up for both in a premium
quarterback and a premium tight end a twelve teamer is

(11:52):
you're going to sacrifice somewhere, and if you're doing both
of those things, you're sacrificing a running back and wide
receiver or both, And so I'm not likely to do it.
I will say I'm more likely I'm much more into
paying up for premium tight end this year, so I
would prioritize premium tight end if you're going to pay
up for one of those positions, if not specifically a

(12:12):
tight end, it would be. And again we've talked about this,
like I have. The latest article that came out for
me this week was the six tight ends that I'm
drafting all year basically, and so if it's not one
of the three premium guys, it's Mark Andrews, Evan Ingram
or Tucker Craft or the guys that I really really
want and maybe a sprinkling go some Dallas Goddard here
and there. So my tight end pool this year is very,
very condensed if you don't go with the premium tight end.

(12:34):
But outside of this, man, I mean this, I don't
see this as like really that crazy. I mean, you
do get the flexibility of like those two flex spots
being like basically any position, so it's not even wide
receiver tight end or really I mean, honestly do like
in this type of draft, I'm probably paying up for
tight end and then I'm just going BPA so like

(12:56):
and I'm probably taking like a quarterback in the mid
later rounds, like I'm probably living in that that justin
Fields Brock Purty, Jake Ma, Drake May, JJ McCarthy type
of like column of quarterbacks and combine with that. And
so with wide receiver and running back, it's you know,
take take BPA man like because again, like if you're

(13:18):
going more running back, like more wide receiver heavy, that's
totally fine because you can either make trades or you
can insulate the position with a lot of RB. Two
is late. You're just really saying look or you go
hero RB. So really this is all stay like the
things that we consistently preach SETH is staying liquid and
read the room. And if you're doing this and you've
already sent leagues obviously using draft Intel and stuff and

(13:40):
utilizing that type of cheat code, now again draft intel,
you need two years of league data or like we understand,
so this is a brand new league that's really not
gonna like that's not gonna fly. Obviously, this is all
goes back to you should be running a ton of mocks,
so you are getting the the lowdown of what who's
going to be there possible picks. So at least like

(14:02):
as you're going through this, you could set the queue
for like two to three players and stuff and at
least know kind of what neighborhood you're living and building
a lot of different squads.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, I'm completely there with you, man, and like this
is actually the exact format other than it's full PPR
that I play in my home league every year, and
like for me, for me, I'm just strictly going off
my tiers for those first couple of rounds. Like Derek said,
if you want to grab an elite quarterback or an
elite tight end, don't do both. Get one of them
live in that that deeper range for the rest of it.

(14:32):
And uh, for the most part, man, Like I'm just
pounding wide receiver and running back those you know, first
eight to nine rounds or so, like before I even
think about going after another onesie position and just loading
up there, dude. So good luck here, Merked, And we
did get confirmation it is Merked in the chat, So
I appreciate that, brother, things got there.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Backward threes threes, that's say. I told you, man, I'm
not that far removed from my gamer days.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Also saying cream cheese on in in muffin top tier. Yeah,
I've done it on a bagel, I've never done it
on English muffin action.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
And I will say I'll take that to another level.
If you can find like like jalapeno cream cheese like
the that is another level, man, another level.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
That would be great. That'd be great. Last night, you know,
just getting back from the expo earlier this week, we
like could We didn't think about dinner until like seven
o'clock last night. I was like, you know, you know,
it sounds good, and we had everything to make buffalo
chicken dip. So we just like just through everything in
the car.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
You were going the Brinner route, which is exactly what
I did on Monday when I got back. Yeah, yeah, expo.
So we were like, I popped up in the fridge.
I was like, dude, we got nothing. Yeah, never go
wrong with brinner, baby, No. No.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
That that is always like the fail safe, right because
you usually have eggs, usually can scrape some bread products,
got eggs.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Usually you can find some other type of meat, you
know what I mean. You can toss together some omelets
if you got the bagels, which we always had bagels
in the house and stuff, so it's always.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Dude, Mason what's up, Mason. Good to see you today again.
Man is saying started off with Justin Jefferson McBride in
my first two rounds of Best Ball. Dat good you
did that as well?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's good. Man definitely digging it is Trey McBride.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
You think, like, if he doesn't positively regress in touchdowns,
are you still gonna be happy with this season? You think, Derek?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, dude, I mean why why not? I mean, like
tell me this, like, were you disappointed? Did you roster
him in any leagues last year?

Speaker 1 (16:29):
I actually had him The year before I had him,
I picked him off a ton of waivers, I drafted
him in a couple of dynasty leagues. I am stashed.
I actually really didn't ride with him last year. I
was way too invested in Harrison Junior unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I mean, I'll put it this way, because cross positionally
last year, and this is where I want to highlight
to people, like, if you're Tray McBride, so last year,
even without the touchdowns, he performed as just looking at
cross positional value, Trey McBride would have been the wide
receiver seventy last year in fantasy game, and he would

(17:03):
have been the RB seventeen. So either way, if you
stack this up and this is dude with this dude
scoring no touchdowns, if he scores touchdowns this year, and
this is what I keep going back to, seth, if
he scores touchdowns and you were getting him in the
third round in some spots, dude, this is where we like,
again we will flip over the cards. If he scores

(17:25):
touchdowns and produces like this again this year, he could
be a guy where we're like, we should have been
drafting him round one. And that's why I've been so
high on him and I continue to be so high
because again RB seventeen, Wide Receiver seventeen comparatively, the value
is still there if you're drafting him at the late
second because he's going to go in that wide receiver
two RB two type of range. No.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, yeah, very very true. The Brophy first time chatter,
thanks hanging out with us to stay here on twitch
dot tv slash Fantasy Brosvan saying, good morning lads. What
draft spot do ideally want in a twelve man.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
After one morning?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Are home league redraft snake? So Derek, good morning to you,
even though it is good good.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Morning lands, I want to know where Brophy's from. I
need the shout out of, like give me the pen,
what continent where we calling in from? I love this.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah. What do you think though, Derek?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
For me, Yeah, I like pick.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
I like the ten spot. I'd like the ten spot.
That's my first spot because like I can.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Get from eight to twelve, anywhere from eight to twelve
because I want access. And we've talked about this again,
harping on this, but it's still freaking true, dude. Is
that right there around the turn there's so many guys
that are just sitting right there that have first round
type of profiles and outlooks to where it's like, pick

(18:43):
your flavor of those two. Like you could build an
RB RB start or an a wide receiver wide receiver start,
or split the difference and go balance build anyway you
go there. Really, at the turn, there's not a lot
of guys that I think you're really going to go
wrong with. I mean, again, like the four pack of
players that I keep harping on. Now CMC's not in
this anymore, but gent Brian Thomas Junior, CM see if

(19:05):
he still falls there, Like if you're at the eighth spot,
I think it's still possible. But Drake London do like
all these guys are sitting right there, take two of
them and enjoy and no, just to point this out,
I'm not worried about Ascion Gent getting minus one rushing
yards in his first NFL action. I do not care
about that at all at all.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I agree with you, and I'm so upset because in
my home league, like I usually do get like eleven
or twelve, and sometimes I don't like being on the turn.
But now I finally got a shourm pick and no
one will trade at no one will trade me with it.
We have that golf scramble ahead of time, hoping to
get people a little bit loose up and maybe I can,
Hey you want the four slot, I'll take you people
sauced up on the golf course to be like, hey,

(19:46):
you want to want to move the rounds a little bit?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Another what another adult beverage change your mind?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Then that's what I did a couple of years ago too.
I was able to move move up a spot and
jump someon for Justin Jefferson. So uh, before we keep
it moving, guys, I did want to remind everyone that
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with us. Let's continue on here in the chat. Man. Wow,
there are way too many go birds, I mean, go birds.
Let's go birds. It was like over the weekend every

(20:58):
jersey I saw I felt like was absolutely a dude.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
There was so many Eagles fans, and I don't know
if it's just because they're the loudest fan base, So like, yeah,
when Eagles fans are around there, but shout out to
e Rock, shout out to k Lest. Yeah, people that
are in leagues that are in our discord that are
freaking fantastic, shout out to Bam Bam. That's always in
the chat, there's k Les. It's like he said his
name and he pops up. I love it, dude, I

(21:23):
love it.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I was talking and of course Mike may or whatever,
like nobody cares fandom.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
I was talking to ka Lest right before I left
Jose's on Sunday night and was, you know, telling hey,
is you're to get into college football, and he was
actually then took that question and was kind of talking
about with Fits and Bogs yesterday on the discord, so
kind of came full service.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
So I saw Klest on the way out Monday morning,
and I was like I poured myself like into clothes,
like I was just like, I'm so tired. I saw
him in the lobby and I was like I had
no voice up. I was like bye bye, see your
next chair. It was so bad.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Mike saying, playing potato chips with cream Cheese's not wrong,
Mayor's not.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Wrong about that? Not wrong?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, all right, yeah we're getting fancy now.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Uh and he's even better Mayor try.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Last night. So I always do that when he's left
the fan.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
The real ones know, the real ones know.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Seth Nick in the chat saying, full English breakfast, a
breakfast for kings. Well, what is a full English breakfast? Like,
I am, I look this up. Yeah, maybe let us
know in the chat, Nick, like, what is in your
mind a full English breakfast? Like? I think there's probably like,
all right, is there blood putting in there? Blood putting
in there? I love blood pudding.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
It typically includes fried eggs, bacon, sausages, baked beans, grilled tomatoes, mushrooms, oh,
black black pudding, whatever the heck that.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Is putting blood pudding?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yes, yes, yes, okay, so yes, and then often a
side of fried bread or with something like tea or
coffee to drink. So, I mean, dude, outside of the
the death pudding, I'm totally with it.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Have you ever had the pudding?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Though I have not, It just sounds it sounds interesting,
but dude, probably, I mean dude, I'm from Louisiana. I
eat all kinds. I've eaten all kinds of stuff, and
a lot of people will be like really, so I'd
probably be down for it.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
It's like almost some I don't know what black pudding
is by no, blood pudding is almost.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Like it's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
I think, Okay, it's like a sausage choked in like
the pig blood or something. But okay, but what it's yes,
really really good though. I have an Irish lad who's
my buddy, and every time i'd go visit him, you.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Know, Iris, I live in there.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
All right. Moving forward here through some more comments. Who
is the RB to have for the Browns this year? So, Derek,
we still have quit Sean Judkins not signed. I'm not
gonna like my answer here, Well, who do you think?
Because Jerome Ford's getting steamed up ECR right now and

(23:58):
I've kind of been on this Dylan Samson train and
I didn't love him as a prospect, but I think,
you know, the brown signified to me with the drafting
of Judkins in the second Samson in the fourth, that hey,
maybe Jerome's Ford isn't all we thought he would be,
especially after last year seeing hundred two hundred carries once again.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, my answer is no one. I don't want exposure
to this backfield. Dude, I'll be honest with.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
You, Like you don't really want exposure to the offense
as a whole, do you not?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Really? I mean, dude, the only guy that I'm taking
at cost right now, Like I'm not in on Jerry Judy,
I am all the way out on Cedric Tillman, David
and Joku. Fine, but like there's so many other tight
ends and I think that, like for him to reproduce
as a top five tight end is asking too much
in the context of that offense. So honestly, the only
guy I'm taking out of that passing attack, to be
honest that cost is Deontay Johnson only because I feel

(24:48):
like the cost for him is wrong because if he
had stayed on the Carolina Panthers, where we be drafting
him right now. So but with this backfield, getting back
to these running backs, man, it's like if we were
to say, okay, we're week seven, week eight, and assuming
Judkins is signed and stuff now, and how much camp
he has missed to this point, like we could easily

(25:10):
be staring in a situation for multiple weeks in this
backfield on one of the worst offenses in the NFL. Seth,
where would you be surprised if three running backs were
getting touches? Like Judkins isn't to a point where he
can handle all the early down stuff. He's not trusted
on passing downs. He's playing ketchup on training camp. Plus
the ramp up because you know that, Like, they don't

(25:33):
just toss these guys out there with no ramp up
at all. I ask for a soft tissue injury. So
at some point of this week, like here, we know
they're not gonna give drawing Ford like a twenty touch workload.
They will not do that. They were not drafted two
running backs, so they didn't have to do that. So honestly,
like if it's negative game script, are we gonna see more? Samson? Like,
I want to avoid this backfield because this is not

(25:55):
a situation where we're expecting a ton of scoring. This
is probably gonna be a bad team. We're probably gonna
get multiple quarterbacks, maybe three quarterbacks plus making starts this season,
and this could be a backfode where on many given weeks,
maybe we're seeing three running backs getting touches in this offense,

(26:16):
and they're all just cannibalizing each other. Like, does that
sound like a situation where we should be buying in
even at costs? Zeth.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
No, No, honestly, not at all. And I think there
is a really good chance that the Browns are destined
to be potentially the first overall pick next year, Like
that is where this could be heading. So I don't
hate that take at all. So who's the running back
to have of the Browns this year? Derek is telling
us nobody, no one, no one, bam bam, saying, last night,

(26:45):
did some rice in the rice cooker? Finished off some butter,
splash of soy sauce, simple and delicious. Oh do you
have a rice cooker, Derek? I do not have a
rice cooker.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I don't have a rice cooker. But dude, I'm either
I go with the little like cups of rice you
can nuke or something like that, or I'm a big
because we don't have a rice cooker and I just
honestly don't have time for it. So we're a big
boil in the bad kind of family, say very much so,
Or I get the little small cups that I can nuke,
like if I'm just making like chicken and rice for myself,

(27:14):
like roll fast as lunch or dinner or something like that.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
So okay, all right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Bam man, I don't hate it. I will question like, yeah,
bro like, tellus some chicken up in there, something else,
like you need some extra protein.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Hey, hey man, he's just you know, keeping it like
for the night, keeping it light for the night. I
appreciate that. Also the Brophy make let us know that
he's out in Seattle. Actually, so I guess it is
still morning in Seattle. I kind of forgot that we
still have a u S.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Pacific Time is made up. It's kind of like Mountain
It's it's all made up.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I remember the one time I was in Pacific Time
and I did not like it felt weird and wrong
to me, to be honest with you. And then Mike
Mayor let us know too in the chat. We've recently
did some research here at Fancy pros. It said there's
a significant drop off after the sixth overall pick in
league win probability this year. And that is the one
point that I would say, Derek, is that, like most traditionally,

(28:06):
you usually do want a top six pick, and that
research has been proven, including here at FP. So what's
your opinion on on what you know? The smack that
mayor is laying down here? Does that change your opinion
all that the facts are the facts? Brother?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I mean, not not a ton, because I mean the
reason that that holds true in a lot of different seasons,
and I'm not disputing it is because those top end picks,
that's where you find the league difference makers. I mean
a lot of that were I mean, because you have
just had players that just absolutely crush, like Jamar Chase
last year, CMC in so many different years. But we

(28:42):
also have I think the I think a lot of
the top tier of those running backs, Like I have
a tier of like five guys at the top of
the running back position that I'll like that any one
of them I think could be the RB one overall
this year. And some of those guys are going more
middle or later the round, like Christian McCaffrey, And the
same thing with the wide receiver like so like while

(29:03):
the easy favorite, I think a lot of like a
lot of that data is heavily not heavily, but is
decently influenced by a lot of Christian McCaffrey, a lot
of guys that have been just absolute difference makers and
just have like I mean, if you've been like cheat codes,
if you've had the one oh one or the one
oh two or even the one oh three in a
lot of years. So like, I don't dispute it, but

(29:25):
I I guess giving some context to that.

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(29:51):
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Help support us. We appreciate it, and let's keep it
moving once again. When you do your drafts, how many
players do you have in your stack? Generally? So, Derek
is there like a line of demarcation for you where

(30:12):
it's like, hey, I'm not going to draft another Bengals player.
I'm not going to draft another Colts player, Like I know,
we want to be connected to good offenses, so I
know it kind of varies on the offense with how
can you help our guy nick out here.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I mean, I'm usually not drafting more than like I mean,
if it's skilled players, like, I'm usually not drafting more
than one player from an offense, well, I say, like
two players from an offense, only because I feel like
at that point you get above the two player mark,
you're asking for a lot more to go right, like
the offense in this and again this is all like

(30:46):
in a vacuum like this. Now this kind of gets
like a little bit more squirrely, like when you talk
about middle or later round players and am I willing
to take like maybe drafting three players from an offense
considering like two of them, like I'm probably in best
staying like top six round, top seven round kind of
capital in and maybe taking a shot on a guy
like later. I don't have problems doing that, but like

(31:08):
saying I'm not going to draft usually three players from
the same offense all like within the top five rounds,
like investing that much high draft? Now? Am I against it?
Not necessarily? It kind of depends on how your draft goes.
But like would I shy away from Saint h Graftel
to you where say T Higgins falls to you and

(31:29):
you had like the one oh one pick or something.
Would I shy away from if T falls and Burrow
falls in ADP like g at a discount or something
like that. Would I shy away from going chase Tea
and Burrow in a draft? Not necessarily, So really it
all depends on context. But I'd say in a vacuum
like the early rounds, like those top like five six rounds,

(31:51):
I'm usually not investing in more than like two players
in an offense, maybe taking a shot on a guy later.
But I mean, Seth, are you differing that at all?

Speaker 1 (31:59):
No?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Not?

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I mean I think I touched on it last week
in a stream that there was a league where I
took Jonathan Taylor at the one two turn and then
a three four turn I came back and got Michael
Pittman Junior and that was just a disaster of a
squad honestly. But I think at the same time, it
depends what offense you're you're you're investing in, right, if
you're you're investing yeah, if you're investing in the Eagles

(32:20):
or the Bangals, someone that the Buffalo Bills, even someone
we know who has a lead upside, I'm very very
okay with it, but I'm not going out of my
way to do it. I think you said it very well.
Awesome dev Hey, guys, when I'm mock drafting, I sometimes
find it difficult to draft the player I really like
these too far down the board or in the next tier.
How do you get past this sort of hold up

(32:41):
win drafting? So, Derek, I think you're a great example
because you always say like say it with your chest right,
you know, and and you're drafting often reflects that. So
how do you kind of overcome the ADP the rankings
that you're using in platform and you aren't afraid to
go out on a limb and go get your guys?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I mean, screw ADP. It's a false construct. It's it's
echo chamber at its finest. And this isn't like I'm
not telling you to take a fifth round guy in
the second round. I'm not telling you to take a
sixth round guy in the first round. I'm not telling
you to do things that are wildly aggressive and irresponsible,
but like, for example, like when you get into that

(33:20):
mid wide receiver two range and like there's guys that
I don't want anything to do with this year, Like
I don't I'm not really heavily invested in Marvin Errison
Junior or Tyreek Hill. Like when I get to those
point in the draft, like, am I more likely to
press the button on a George Pickens or a Tedo
McMillan where they go? Maybe depending on your room around
and a half later. No, I'm not batting an eye, dude,

(33:42):
because again, if you're doing all the homework and you're
either you have your own process for how you're drafting,
or you're melding your process with people that you trust
they're doing their work, whether that's me, Pat Erickson, Joe An, anybody,
and you trust that and you come away with like,
these are the guys that I am strong about. Yep,

(34:04):
then get them, like, screw ADP. Get your freaking guys,
because there's nothing worse than like you saying, oh, well,
I was hoping I could have gotten Pickens like two
rounds later or a round later, and I should have
drafted him because you know, he was the best guy
on the board. Or I was worried about a running back,
or I was worried about filling out my starting lineup,

(34:24):
so I reached on a tight end. But Pickens was
the best guy on the board. Like nah, man, Like,
don't play those games, because there is nothing worse than
watching the player that you were high on, you wished
and you should have drafted, but you thought you could
have gotten later, and then you watch him do all
the things you thought he was going to do during
the season. He smashes, and like that's where it comes

(34:47):
down to drafting in tiers and saying, I have this
guy at the top of the tier, where consensus has
this guy at the bottom of a tier, Right, I'm
gonna like exactly like I'm drafting RJ. Harvey this year
and I'm standing with my chest Like but like when
you get into those RB two rangers and you're like, dude,
I want nothing to do with Aaron Jones, I want
nothing this guy. I want nothing to do with these

(35:10):
these other RB twos, Like, then draft the guy you want,
and I mean again, This goes back to drafting like
you're right and you're correct, and doing that in a
a responsible and thoughtful yes, yet you can be aggressive
type of manner. If that all kind of makes sense?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
No, one hundred percent. I remember last year I was
all in on JSN. I had him in a ton
of leagues, and in my home league, I was like, Okay,
I think I can get JSN. The next time he
comes around, and I waited and he went one pick
before me, and I almost burned the house down.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I mean, that's and there's no Dev too getting this
question and probably somewhere on a luxurious beach or a
yacht somewhere drop it in here? Are you on a
catabaran in the Caribbean right now? What's that look like?

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Is DEVI a world traveler? Is that what I'm hearing here?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Globe traveler? Globe traveler? We all should be living our
best life like Dev right now.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Fantasy pros re treat on Dev's yacht is out I'm hearing?
Is that what I'm hearing?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
He's good, he said it on me.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Gonna come scoop us Dad. We appreciate you, brother. Very
very interesting question here from EXEA divine. Should I draft
Judkins at the two oh one if he drops in
my rookie draft, let us know if this is super
flex or not. I would like to hear that. But Derek,
where are we right now from a dynasty lens with Judkins?
Because there's rumors that he might be head back to
the NFL the draft. It's too late for him to

(36:30):
head back to college. But what are we doing here
with Judkins? Because the two one to me feels too
rich when there's guys like.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I'm letting somebody else follow on that Landmine Oka just
gonna say it. I was note in on him as
a prospect. I was much lower the consensus throughout the
entirety of the draft process. And now with everything that
we know, the off the field stuff, and he hasn't
even signed his freaking contract, It's like all of this
is already muddying in the water. At two to one, No,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
If you still want to be in on Judkins, that's fine,
But I don't want to take him at the two one.
Like no, I'm more likely to trade back and you
get more equity if Judkins is a target for you
and then you watch him slip down the board a
little bit and what did I say? What did I say?
Seth awesome? Uh? Dev throwing it in the chat back
from Italy Baby Globe, Traveler World Renown awesome, awesome, Dev.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, No, I respect that, and like for me, I
really feel the same way, dude that, Like I I mean,
you and I were lower on Judkins coming in that
even the two oh one felt a little bit rich
for him then, and like now we're at the point
where hey, Matthew Golden might be around there, Jane Higgins
Campskataboo like Colston Loveland even potentially, Like I just can't

(37:40):
get there. I can't get that.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I mean, dude, I had him at the two o
three and Superflex without any of that stuff. Yeah, now, dude,
it's like I'm dropping him, probably taking Tooton over him, right, Yeah,
I'm taking Tutin. I'm probably even taking Jarquest Hunter or Cam'skataboo.
Like I'm dropping into the back end of the second round, dude,

(38:02):
because we're doing it right now live.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, I mean, we don't know, we don't know if
he's going to play this year and when he does
get signed to a team, well, we just.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Talked about the Browns backfield, like it's gonna be a mess. Like, yeah,
you're if he was a guy you were expecting in
like early production, especially in this rookie season, hasn't a
lot of that been blown up. Like in the best
case of circumstances, you're hoping he fires and gets the
workers like workload like down the back half of the season,

(38:32):
because it's not going to happen in the beginning of
the season. It's probably not gonna happen even until the
middle of the season because he hasn't even been in
freaking training camp people, right, Like, so like he's got
to learn the playbook, catch up on everything, build Premirie already, continuity,
and climb the depth chart and that's all going to
take time, even talking outside of the physical ramp up

(38:54):
of there is a difference of being in gym shape
and being in football shape for games.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
All right, But before we get some rapid fire to
round out the program, I did want to let everyone
know that you should be getting ready for the ultimate
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(39:23):
also have Andy Barns among many many others coming on
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That's going to be a lot of fun. It's always

(39:44):
fun to catch up with different people in the industry
and you know we do a little potathon with the boys.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yes, sir, it's always a blast. I mean so many
people that we got to catch up with and see
at the XBO and stuff, and our favorites, like a
lot of our favorites in the industry, and lot of
good talk. Man, so and correct me if I'm wrong.
Like Calie said, if anybody throw this in the chat,
I want to say we already have like do we
have it already live or where people just go sub
to the YouTube and get ready like basically hit the

(40:12):
notifications like when this go live. I could be wrong
on that, but guys, let me know if I am.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, yeah, let us let us know on that. But
either way, easiest way to so you don't miss anything,
go bring the bell on YouTube, right, I mean, you're
gonna know when we're going live every single time, so
let's keep it moving here. Just give me one word
on a couple of these, Derek, but Alex, he is
in a Dynasty super Flex, startup, tight End, Premium full

(40:37):
PPR pick and eighth and I'm hesitating between Jalen Hurts
or a wide receiver like CD or Neighbors. For me,
it's Hurts there. He's still in that top TV QB.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
If it's in super Flex, I'm going QB. If you're
able to get another guy, Like if you're able to
get a guy that that's gonna go. Like he's in
that elite tier quarterbacks, Yes, it's QB and sim mcluys
like Hurts is my I mean, Hurts is my ninth
though all player, so like, yeah, he should be there
available around there.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
And Sethea is letting us know in the back end
if you hit that bell on YouTube, it will notify
you that the Fancy Fest is live. So yes, good
work by the team over there. Speaking of Super flex
start three wide receiver league twelve team format. Here for
a guy SAV for a guy SAV saying Jefferson and Mahomes,
for Lamar and Saint Brown. My other wide receivers are

(41:25):
Puka neighbors, Brian Thomas, Adams, and Walls. So absolutely stacked
at the wide receiver position. Would you take a down
grade from Jefferson to Saint Brown to get Lamar over Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, because if you're looking at just just mash up
the points per game for both of those guys, you're
probably not losing a ton of points per game going
from Jefferson to same Brown, but you're going to gain
a ton of points going from Mahomes to Lamar, like
we're talking about like you're probably gaining a good like
four Fantasy points per game right in the process. And

(42:00):
so you're really evaluating, is the gap between Jefferson and
Saint Brown gonna be high enough to where that's not
a move that you want to make. And so I mean,
where do you sit on it? Seth Like I would
do that, and I'd take the little Mars side and
super flex.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Oh absolutely, I mean, and then you're your wide receivers
are still Puka neighbors Brian Thomas Junior and Saint Brown.
That is insane, Like you're not even starting Adams and Waddles,
So I would, I would, I would do that. I
think that's so.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
And I mean you're looking at a similar range like
Amana has been at that like where has he been
like the last few years, So sixteen point seven, twenty
point seven, eighteen point six, Jefferson has been hovering around
like anywhere from eighteen to twenty, so really giving up
like two to about two and a half Fantasy points
per game. And the move from Jefferson to same Brown possibly,

(42:49):
but really in the aggregate between these and that's how
you need to look at it. And you're starting lineup,
you're probably gaining like three to four Fantasy points in total.
So even if you look at it that way, you're
still probably it's a net gain for you to get
the Lamar side, right right.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I agreed with you there.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
And he's still stacked a wide receiver, so like you're
still gonna make it up and a lot of these
other guys, like he's still absolutely flush at wide receivers.
Even the move down from Jefferson the same Brown isn't
gonna hurt him at all.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Nick, let us know that seven pm out where he
is in Beverly, Yorkshire, near the original. So nah, that's cool. Good,
that's good to know.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Man, you're checking in. We got people coming back from Italy,
like Worldwide seth getting big baby.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Maybe maybe the first Fantasy Pros live event. Maybe it
happens overseas. You never know, you never know.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
They we're going somewhere, nice man.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
At least we're going international. We're going international.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I don't necessarily need you know, the beach and the
sun time and stuff like that, but you know, I
do occasionally like it's on the beach, but very much
in the shade.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
If you're picking towards the end of the draft and
you're using tears, do you take the last guy in
a tier above or take two from the same here?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
So, I mean, it depends depends on the draft. It
depends on like how you're setting up your tiers. I mean,
in a vacuum, you're taking the last guy of the
the top tier and then the top guy of the
next tier, you know, I mean that's yeah, how you
give your tiers set up and.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
You're shooting for upside you're shooting for upside, right, Like
I heard Seay last week say it great, Like if
someone doesn't have like top thirty upside, why are we
even having them a roster, right, Like like we don't
need to go and draft guys like Rashaan Bateman, who
like that is his ceiling, right, So no, I don't
I don't want.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
To draft a ton of guys. Like it's either you
hit or you don't, and you're either helping me win
a league or you don't. And it's like, because dude,
the middle of the season, you can find some random
shmowe to center and fill a flex like with the
matchup is awesome that week, and like you're touchdown hunting
and stuff like that. So like all those flexworthy players

(44:57):
like you know, we know that, like players like maybe
it's Horton is gonna have a pop off week, Dante
Thornton Junior is gonna have a pop off week. Like
you can get guys like even off of waivers in
the middle of the season to like maybe have a
ceiling spike week from a flexible, Like we care about
the guys that are going to be difference makers in
the leagues and you're shooting for the upside thought.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Miss saying he's out in l A. If you're ever here,
y'all are getting some beers. Make sure wherever we go
prime that they got some bush light on draft. That's
all I asked for. Got to run bush light all weekend,
every bar bush light.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
He started handing handing bush lights to me like I
was sitting down. No, lie, everyone, I'm sitting down at
Georgia's at the bar. And Seth comes up from behind
me and he goes, oh, I think you misplaced this.
This must be yours and sits down a bush light
in front of me, and I was like, what is
this swill? I don't want.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
That's all right, I think you.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Got the wrong person.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Just one morning for the collection, Baby, It's all right, Grek.
Derek doesn't accept my gifts.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
And I love.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Favorite handcuff this season from our guy Fantasy Fumble Weekly.
Oh that's a good name. I like that one as well.
I've lost fantasy matchups due to late fumbles, so I
can relate to that for me, Derek, I am not
leaving a draft if Isaac Grendo is sitting around there,
just for the off chance I'm drafting him. I'm drafting

(46:28):
a ton of base shall too, not because I see
him as a handcuff, but more as like an interchangeable
part in a big uh avegiguous backfield. And I was
drafting a lot of Ray Davis until the news today.
So anyone you would kind of add to that list
here for our guy Fantasy Fumble weekly, I mean.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
The guys that are gonna go in that handcuffey type tier.
Jordan Mason will be drafted somewhere around there, Tank Bigsby,
so guys that can have like standalone value true handcuffs though,
like Basil Twot and Cam's Kataboo guys. I mean, I
think the thing with with with handcuffs that we need
to be looking at are the clear situations that we

(47:07):
know if a guy goes down, who's gonna be the
primary ball carrier? Like tyre el Year is going to
go super freaking late if anything were to happen to
be Jean, you know who is getting the freaking ball
on a weekly basis, dude, So like him, I have
no problem with the Ray Davis calle, but I guess
like the true handcuffs Tyre Alsiar dj Gindon's Jalen Wright. Yeah,

(47:35):
I look at all of those guys and you could
throw Ray Davis and even Jacory Krossky meritage but conversation, Yes,
so we could be staring at Summer of Bill.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Summer of Bill baby apart from injury, which top tier
player could bust? Ooh ooh?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I really like you know Mi kiro and hate so yeah, Williams, Like,
I think I think Jarques Hunter is going to be
involved in this backfield. I do not care, but the contract.
I still think that that it's fully gonna happen. Breese
Hall if this truly is a two to three way committee, dude, Like,
I'm not saying that it should be. I know that
it should be, but I'm just saying that it could happen.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Chad's coaching staff man just like, yeah, he's a beast,
get yeah. But Jonathan Taylor for me, I am with
you on that one.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Cuba Hubbard a guy that I think we're looking at
wrong falsely, Like, yep, say bust because people are gonna
take Cuba Hubbard and I think in a lot of
aspects they're gonna say, I mean, he's he's gonna be
the guy that he was last year, right, Like we're
looking at like I'm getting an RB one at RB
two prices. But I I'm telling you, man Rico, Dudle
and Trevor into that backfield.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
I just moved him down the other day. I just
moved him down because I'm really afraid of them a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Some of the guys that I'll toss into here again,
Tyreek Hill, do not want to be drafting him. You
know my thoughts on DK Metcalf and Arthur Smith offense
Marvin Harrison Junior only because and I say, bust, Yes,
this dude is being drafted as a wide receiver two
in that entire freaking offense changed over one year. Where

(49:12):
it's like did we not learn this from last year?
It's like we all drafted him as a top fifteen
wide receiver last year. Nothing has changed in this offense.
Like I'm fine with taking him as a wide receiver three,
but he's not gonna go there, dude. So yes, like
where and again a bust is being categorized as the

(49:32):
expected production you're expecting out of where that guy's being
drafted and how he's fitting into your team versus the
reality of what you're probably gonna get out of him
throughout the season. So like, yeah, if you're drafting Marvin
Rrison Junior as a wide receiver two, get ready for pain. Also,
if you're drafting z eight Flowers as a wide receiver two,
get ready for pain because he's been a wide receiver
three in each of the last two years. Like what

(49:56):
we got to learn?

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Man?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
People got to learn?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Last question. We'll wrap up with a fun one here
from Bam Bam Branson, who is the MVP of your
first league winning team. Mine was healthy in two thousand
and six. Eighteen hundred yards twenty eight f D's absolute
god for me, Derek, I remember very vividly it was
Michael Vick on his return with the Eagles. And also
Peyton hillis another guy who's been forgotten about, but he's

(50:20):
he saved, he saves lives. He was on the Mad cover.
So Peyton Hill is always in the heart. Baby. What
about you? Do you remember yours?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Jimmy Graham Oh okay, in his breakout season, Jamal Charles
over a number of seasons. I'm trying to think of
another one here. It's it's definitively both one of those
two guys. Okay, dude, I had so much Jimmy Graham
when he blew up in his like the first year,
he like just absolutely crushed. Yeah, and I was. I

(50:48):
remember I had a team where I was rocking Rob
Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham. When I was just playing one
of those guys in the flex and just mauling people,
it was wondrous.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
World renowned traveler Jimmy Graham. So maybe you and Dev
can break up some time out there, Derek, thanks so
much for hanging out with us. Man. Thank you everyone
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(51:19):
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