FantasyPros - The Extra Point: Expert League Draft Breakdown, Keeper Discussions, and Chat Q&A (Ep. 1656) - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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missed you, my friend? How are we?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm doing good? Man, doing good. We are just under
three weeks away from NFL kickoff. I believe it's twenty
days away from the Eagles kicking things off. So I'm
I'm super excited man, and I'm just trying to it
kind of seems like right now is the time where
everyone's trying to get out their final takes. There, Okay,

(01:41):
these are my guys for this year. These are the
final bus So just kind of what is it crossing
the t's dotting the i's on everything. You're perfect draft, Staedge.
It's so I'm trying to do updating everything in the draft.
Get to make sure that because I know that we're
already going to get people start drafting as soon as
this weekend, as early as this weekend, so I want
to make sure that I'm available. Everything's updated the Kings
are good to go and that you're ready to what

(02:02):
do they say, dominate your league in twenty twenty five? Welsh?

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well, and also it is like real draft time. I
know there's crazy is obviously, like you know, best balls
and stuff like that have been going on, but the
real drafts are starting to go on you next week,
have got your flex league. I just completed my flex league,
our dear friend Jake Sealey industry leagues. I got some
ringers in mind. Would you like to hear the team

(02:28):
real quick to see how it went?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
And then we can references too, by the way, because
there's some stuff by the way, what an unsatisfactory? Sure?
What was that? You're like, sure?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Like, let's just want how many? Well? I mean, do
the people want to hear? Welsh?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Just?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I mean it is a good I mean because when
you came on first, you said I don't love the team,
but that's what I wanted to hear.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
That's the point we're going to see if people are
going to tell me, they're going to be like, oh
this is this sucks, you did a bad job, or
this is a good teams. But also there is two
applicable pieces the Rashi Rice stuff and the Jutkins news
came out before this. Rice is man can be interpreted
both ways. You know, with the he's going to play

(03:08):
the four games, I think some people are out there
speculating that, you know, it could happen way way later
in the season. Some people know or expect that it's
going to happen mid So I think the valuations prime
example was our Fantasy Pro slack channel of talking about it.
But also Judkins. You know, now with him not having
any legal recourse, we have to wait what the NFL

(03:30):
is going to do, and it might not be anything.
And he definitely went higher, so we can talk about that,
all right. So here's a team, real quick. I drafted
five wanted Jamior Gibbs. Bad did not happen. This is
the flex league. Two running back, three wide receiver, a flex,
and then a wide receiver tight end flex. You don't
have to start tight ends in this league. Single quarterback
like Joe Dolan was in there, Steve Gardner, Jody Smith,

(03:53):
just a bunch of people, just ringers. So my team,
my two quarterbacks. I'm not going to give round. I'll
just give you the team construction. I took Justin Fields
and Dak Prescott. That's pretty chalk for me. Running backs
Breece Hall, RJ Harvey, Brian Robinson, and that's one of
the flexes. And then on the bench, I got Grindo,

(04:13):
Giddons and Chubb. My wide receivers, Justin Jefferson, Travis Hunter,
Jackson Smith, and Jigba Eggbuca. And then I got Jalen Coker.
And then I also did take Jake Ferguson as like
a wide receiver tight end spot. So Jefferson fell to
me at five. The league kind of balance his quarterbacks

(04:35):
out a little bit more. I really wanted Lamar and
I screwed up not taking him in the second round
for JSN had a couple other spots where I just
got really sniped to hell. But Breece Hall, Harvey, Jefferson,
Json Hunter, that's the core built around some upside plays
at BUKA. You know I took Justin Fields. What do

(04:56):
you think about the construction in a fourteen team half
peep with even touchdowns for passing quarterbacks and normal touchdowns.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Sorry, did you say this was super flex?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
This is single quarterback?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Oh okay, okay, Now I.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Was the one, and I was the one that went.
Multiple teams went two quarterback, but I went quicker to
quarterback in taking fields and then taking Dak Prescott to
have two bigger options, which is kind of if I
don't get the higher end quarterback. That's what I'm looking
to do here. I'm looking to have two guys that
I can interchange. And it's fourteen team leagues. I think
people forget like it's more scarcity at quarterbacks, so I

(05:34):
wanted to make sure I had two important guys in
a deeper league.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, it's always interesting because I think that for the
majority of the time when we're looking at leagues and teams,
we're kind of entering it with like a twelve team mindset,
Like we know what, like on paper, a twelve team
roster looks like, and then what a ten team roster
looks like, and then a fourteen team roster what that
looks like, And it's always like, wow, this team sucks.
But then you have to like, oh, wait, step back,

(05:59):
there's going to be because it's a fourteen team league.
So I think that's a really good point to ring up.
So let's see, I'm just trying to think back to
the important part that I remember about the roster. So
you said, Travis Hunter is a wide receiver. Two.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Three, No, he's three, I have I I listened to him.
Three it's a Jeffer Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, So my draft.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Order essentially went. I went Jefferson JSN third round, Brice
Hall fourth round, r J. Harvey, fifth round, Travis Hunter,
sixth round, Egbuka. That was like my top six. So
four wide outs, two running back.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I like the construction pretty well.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's a little dynasty ish with like Harvey, Hunter and Agbuka,
but it's also upside in the industry league with some
other core players. Like it's okay, I'm not I'm not
in love with the team.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, who is your starting tight end?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Did you say, well, we don't have to have a
starting tight end in this league. It's a wide receiver
tight end. So essentially, Agbuka is my wide receiver slash
tight end flex.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Okay, Well, because you did, you is focusing the only
tight end you actually have?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I just took it at the end because wide
receivers are really kind of crappy. So yeah, a little.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Stacked there, I get that. So I think that was
probably smartest to punt theme. I really think that when
if they don't force you to draft a tight end,
I then you shouldn't draft one. Yeah, I'm always like,
if you don't have to have one on your team,
just don't draft on and just use the other positions
like we just see it. I mean those other positions.
The best receivers usually outscore the best wide receiver or

(07:33):
the best tight ends. And the reason that we draft
tight ends sometimes earlier is because of the positional advantage.
But in this case, in this league, there is no
positional avage because there's no tight end slot. So I
do agree with you basically punting off the tight end
position because I think that's always a question people run into,
Oh like Bowers is falling or right Bride is falling.
But you don't have to start a tight end. And

(07:54):
there's a reason why those guys don't scores many points
as some of the running backs and receivers that go
in their range. So it's something that you have to
kind of readjust so, I mean, I don't like the
team's that that bad. I'm definitely cooling on Breese Hall.
I don't know, man, I think that he's the archetype
of player. That you do want to bet on contract
year running back explosive catches, passes, but then his specific situation,

(08:18):
I just I don't know, man the jets to just
like come out every single every single time Aaron Glennon talks,
he's he's just talks about each twenty's committee, just like
he's obsessed with using these running back by committees. And
we'll see what happens in the week one comes around.
The Braylan Allen hype trained seems to gain steam every
single time, or every single every single week, every single
report that we get from Braylan Allen and got to

(08:39):
say that Breese Hall is bad. I don't think that
he's bad. Again, I like him, betting on him, but
I do think they'll like I. I don't know if you
had to make this decision, but I've thought about Breese
Hall versus ken Walker a lot, and I'm like firmly
on like the ken Walker.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Side, firmly on the brief side. But I know, I
know what you're going and ken Walker was gone and
I believe when I ended up taking him, I know
what you're going with. But I love the touchdown equity
that's still going on. Fields absolutely loves him. I'm a
war now. I'm worried about Braylan Allen taking some of
that short yardage stuff, but I also think Bresee is
going to be spread out a lot more. Here's a

(09:17):
really cool feature can kind of let you guys know about,
which is awesome as well. When I was doing this,
I was not able to be at a a computer
so I could have the Draft Assistant going on. But
something that's kind of forgotten about is you can be
done with your league. And that doesn't mean you have
to be done with the Draft Wizard, because you can go.

(09:37):
Because we've talked about like at nauseum in the best ways.
By the way, the Draft Assistant mock Draft Lobby's draft
intel telling you about your league. But I have insights
up the wazoo once I sinked my league, and you
can go to your dashboard and I can just tell
you right now, I'm given a sixty two percent chance
to make the playoffs. Projected numbers, by the way, way

(09:58):
better on here too than but this is done on Sleeper.
What Sleeper was giving me as far as projected points
in the week, with a fifty eight percent potential for
winning in the first week, and I was given a
projected eight and six record, being top five in the league.
So that's a pretty cool thing. So you know, going
in and checking the dashboard, even if your draft is done,

(10:19):
you can go and check out from waivers to top available.
You can use the trade stuff that's in there, and
you can just get some analytics on your own team.
So go and do that sync up your league today.
I'm taking a look here. It's actually making me feel
a little bit better about my team since I wasn't able
to do that. We can also as we go here
because I don't want to take up everybody else's time
here because we've got an audience with hands raised. But

(10:42):
if anyone is curious as we go, feel free because
we can take a look at where Jutkins went. We
can also take a look at any of the oddity.
We had some stuff. We had some crazy stuff that
happened in this league. Jalen Wattall went in the second round,
which was which was a really big one by a
very prominent person.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Jack who did that? Who took a wattle Dolan?

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Dolan did he had the number one knows he had
the number one overall pick and he took Waddle with
the last pick in the second round.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Which Dolan probably knows that the Tyreek Kale trade of
the Chiefs has already been drawn up. It's gonna happen,
the Rice thing, dude, It just it makes all sense now, right,
Rice is going to be gone for the majority of
the season. They're gonna need someone for the playoffs. They
trade for Tyre Kale the trade deadline. It's Jalen Walla
to the moon and we're back. Yeah, Jalen Wattle overs.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Jalad Just wait for the prop show for me and Ericson.
We're back with it. So I gom a flex league.
We can talk about any of those things and some
of the references. I definitely do feel better now actually
looking at because I had not been able to look
at the insights of any of my stuff when we
were going on. But makes me feel a little bit
better about it because you can go to there's the
league analyzer which is breaking it all down, which I'm

(11:56):
looking at here projected standings. I'm in the playoffs eight
and six record. It shows playoff odds. It's just championship odds,
which is really really cool. And I am projected to
finish better than Joe Dolan. So that's all that I'm
looking for. At the end of the day, It's all
that anyone is really looking for is to finish higher
than Joe Dolan, who we did a killer show on
the Fantasy Pro channel, so check that out soon. All right,

(12:18):
we got a bunch of hands raised, Let's get to it.
Stop talking about my team and let's talk about your team.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Up?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Is who you keep this? You've kept this name? My friend?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Who?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Tf is Welsh on the line? What's up?

Speaker 5 (12:34):
Brother?

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Hey man?

Speaker 4 (12:37):
So I'm in a slow draft in Joeyp's Black Book League.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
Right now.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
I have the chance to take Samson, but I'm a
little kind of put off by doing that considering the
Judkins news. Is it's still worth grabbing him or no?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Okay, that's a good question. You always sound like right now,
you sound like tired Debro to me, But you always
sound like a variant of Debro every time he's to
come on in the season, which kills me. Someone's going
to love that. What do you think, ericson? Are you
still pro Dylan Samson who's had some running with the ones.
We're briefly talking about the Jutkins thing. What's your take

(13:13):
on Samson now that Judkins is going to be back.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think it's probably cool a little bit. I think
that the Samson, the excitement around Sampson was Okay, he
can really establish himself to start the year and make
it hard for the Browns to take him off the field. Essentially,
and even when Judkins comes back, because Judkins as a
second round pick, what does that mean? That means, okay,

(13:37):
he's going to get opportunities in this offense. But if
the Browns decide, well, we're already getting good production from
our fourth round pick, we don't need, we don't have
the need anymore to put Judkins onto the field now.
If he's going to be coming back sooner rather than later,
I think that that definitely throws some cold water on Samson. Also,
you have the Browns offense where I'm not actually sure

(14:00):
that there will be a league winning running back emerging
from this team. If it's a bottom ten scoring unit,
that's always a concern. Now with Joe Flacco, kind of
anything can happen. You know, if they're running fast paced,
then the Browns offense, at least last year wasn't but
worse for fantasy football purposes, just because they threw a ton,
they were playing shootouts, and a lot of that had
to do with Jameis Winston. But Joe Flacco does bring
some of that type of Jameis Winston ability to some

(14:24):
games that they're gonna They also play the Bengals in
Week one, so that could be a game that could
be pretty high scoring. I wouldn't rule Sampson out completely
off my draft board because I think that Judkins will
still probably get suspended at some point and that's going
to give Sampson more opportunities. But the fact that Jerome
Ford has also still been involved in is kind of
viewed as the main guy. I think that if you're

(14:46):
playing for the back end, I'm not so sure that
Sampson will be the guy then, because I think that's
when they could look at Judkins as an opportunity when
he does finally come back. So during those money weeks,
I'm not necessarily I'm not necessarily sole on the fact
that it will I'll be Samson as the running back
for the Browns, it could be Judkins. So I guess
for me, it's a little bit more about roster construction. Right.

(15:09):
If you were really hurting on some of this early
season production. I think that Samson is probably worth it
a little bit more so. It's kind of counterintuitive where
we usually bet on rookie running backs to hit in
the second half of the season, so Samson could have
that type of value as well. But I think that
Judgkins potentially coming back, does you know, make that a
harder bet to make. So if I do need early

(15:29):
season production running backs, I think that's probably what I
would do.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Okay, so let's play this game. Then we'll just do it.
Where do you think Judkins and where do you think
Samson went? In my flex draft last night?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Just go by overall because I'm not going to try
to gets the rounds because it's fourteen teams, so it's
going to get all messed up for me.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh okay, then I'll try to translate it because I
was gonna I actually wanted to have the Yeah, I
all know the rounds, so we can do the matter.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay, So for me, I would say that both guys
probably went inside watch you, I don't know, I'm gonna
say that. So let me guess. Did Judkins go first?

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well, just guess. Then I don't want to tell you who.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Went first, Well, I think Judkins went first.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Okay, So you think John Kevin? Okay, so keep using Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
So I'll say that Judkins went somewhere between like picks
seventy and eighty, okay, okay, And I'll say that Samson
went you know, around like one hundred, one hundred and ten.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
And then where do you think Jerome Ford fit in
that mix?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Probably like one thirty okay, So you're saying last last, Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
So Judkins did go first, okay, And I think based
on the math, you're right. Ish he was the second
to last pick in the sixth round, so he ended
up being an RB two for that team. That's aggressive,
it does it, yeah, Samson, but it went teams. Samson

(17:00):
went with the tenth pick in the eleventh round in
the fourteen team, So that's like, so I was over sixty, Yeah, yeah, sixty.
Jerome Ford third to last pick in the tenth round,
so Samson was last in this in this industry league.

(17:20):
Ford went again trying to do the stupid math here
is like one fifty something, Samson was like one sixty seventy,
and Jutkins was a top six round pick in that
which probably makes him closer to a seventh or eighth
round pick in a basic twelve team. But that's the
translation math for you for Jutkins versus Samson.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Okay, And I know that we're getting a question here
too from who TF is Welsh? So he's asking in
the chat what I draft Kyle Williams and said and
just kind of wanted to ask to like who else
was on the board at the time he was drafting.
I would still take Sampson over Kyle Williams, which is
still a round three rookie wide receiver who is still
working his way up the death chart. And I think

(18:01):
that if Samson hits, it'll probably being a similar with
a Kyle Williams hits, and I rather have that hit
at running back than wide receivers. So I would still
go with Samson. So I know I had a kind
of long winded answer when we first opened up the
because there's a lot of ambiguity with it. But I
do think that Samson is He's a talent running back,
and I don't think that it's not nothing that the
Browns took him in round four. Jerome Ford has been

(18:23):
a replaceable level running back. He's fine as a stop gap,
but he's not the future that the Browns are investing in.
He remember he took a pay cut to stay on
the Browns, right, So the Browns were like ready to
move on from Jerome Ford pretty clearly then obviously this
Judgkin stuff happened. So and yeah, still a chance that
Judgkins gets suspended and that puts Sampson in the driver's
seat to just you know, get the coaches trust.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I think Simpson's a value at this point now, like
he was starting to move up to an uncomfortable level.
Now we have a complete other direction correction. So I
think he is someone you can take at the end
of your drafts, and you should just based off of
the probabilities of the uncertainty at that running back position
and what could happen to Judkins and the you know
what you said about Jerome forward and Samson had been
running with the one, so that comfortability is starting to build.

(19:04):
So I think he is a He's a really good
bet at the end of drafts. Right now, let's go
talk to Jay. Jay, what up? What do you have
for us here today with the book?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Is that what that is there?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
We go, oh, yeah, it's like a head. Yeah, it's
like someone with a You gotta unmute the mic, though,
j I wish I could unmute for people. But all right,
you can re raise your hand going in three two
one sold, Ja sold, But just reraise your hand, figure
out your thing, and all right, let's see you did
it again. Let's see if we can get you. Oh no, Jay,

(19:42):
We're gonna put the book over your eyes. All right,
you don't have it figured out, You come back when
you have it figured out. Bryce, or for a question
in the chat too, Yeah, exactly what Bryce?

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Hey, guys that we're doing doing good?

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
What you got?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
So?

Speaker 4 (19:56):
I just inherited a team in a hen Man half
PPR superflex with tight end premium scoring. We at three
keepers and I think I've figured out two of them.
I got Jared Goff for my eleventh round pick and
Kittle for my fourth. I feel relatively good about those two.

(20:17):
The last one is Rashie Rice in the seventh and
I don't that's like the only other one that would
make sense to keep, and I really just I'm not
sure how I feel about him.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
And you got you gotta give us a couple even
if it doesn't make sense, like like if that's that's
the only one we're gonna say yes? Like who would
even be like perceivably another option or two?

Speaker 4 (20:42):
The only other person that I would other than the
two I mentioned, the only other person that I would
consider keeping is maybe Mike Evans, but I'd have to
give up my third round for him.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Okay, Okay, So the question is like are we comfortable
with keeping? This is just this has to turn into
a Rice versus Evans question then, because what round was Rice?

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Rice?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Would I give up? Round seven?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay? Seven? All right? So Evans round three? Rice? Round
seven with potential looming suspension? What do you think?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I think that the Rice price is palatable. I think
if it was higher, I'd probably more bearish on it.
But round seven, I mean, if he's healthy on the
field and playing for a certain amount of weeks, like
he should be able to return that I think that
Evans is definitely the safer pick. I think that. I mean,
that's I don't think that that's really up for debate.
Mike Evans basically goes in round three of most drafts

(21:38):
anyway in a normal twelve team league, and I'm expecting
him to think we talked about on the wide Receiver
Tiers show. I just said, Mike Evans locked and loaded
wide receiver two. Really don't have any reservations. Yeah, he's
a little bit older, and they brought in some other
guys like Buka, but Govin still coming off the injury.
McMillan up and down rookie season. We'll see how much
he eats into Mike Evans. We still got Baker Mayfield,

(21:58):
and you know, Mike Evans has weeks where he absolutely explodes.
So I think it's a risk reward type of you
have to kind of weigh then ask yourself that question.
I would have just I would embrace the risk with
Rice personally, just for a round seven. I think it
was more expensive. I probably shy away. But if you
just want to walk in the points with Mike Evans

(22:18):
and not deal with Rice, which is going to be,
you know, probably a headache throughout the season, also a
chance that it could work out in your favorites. Swing
for the swing for the fences with Rushie Rice, which
I usually try to encourage people to do in fantasy.
You know, upside wins championships, and Rice has a ton
of upside, especially for a round seven keeper.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Also, not to like be cold watery about this, but
like I'm gonna get I mean, you are inheriting a team.
I'm going to guess Jared Goff and George Kittle aren't
exactly the best keepers that people are going to be keeping.
So there is a scenario where you might be stepping
into a situation where your team isn't exactly built to
win this year. So a having a guy like Rashid Rice,

(22:57):
assuming you get to keep him for the following season,
is fantastic because you you know, suspension would be gone,
and taking a guy at a lower cost for a
team that might not be massively competitive. You want as
many picks at the top as you can to try
to hit on some you know, to hit on some
guys you know. So like the third round to me,
doesn't make sense. Again, I'm not trying to say that

(23:18):
this is definitely a rebuilding, not gonna win team, but
I'm gonna guess it's probably in the lower because that's
its a ten team league, a ten team league, and
keeping Golf and Kittle that's not the best. So give
yourself as many opportunities to get great players later and
keep Rice and Rice will be a great keeper the
following season, you know, as long as all is good.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, I do. I do think that Rice when it
comes to just like what his projection is this year.
I know we never really talked about him specifically with
his situation, but I do think it's going to be
twenty twenty six will be the year where Rice actually
does kind of like live up to all of the
hype per se. I know, I was getting kind of
concerned about his aid when it was rising. I think

(24:01):
like a month or two ago before all of the
before we thought he wasn't going to get suspended at all,
and then Chefter drops the bomb He's go get suspended
and now he's not gonna get suspended for the first
four weeks, but now the concern is maybe it's going
to be a longer suspension more to six to eight games.
I was reading some reports that suggested that the NFL
is getting tired of these speeding violations and they're going

(24:23):
to try to set Rice as an example in terms
of okay, well we're not messing going, you know, related
to what happened with Henry Ruggs, and that situation was
obviously terrible and what happened with Rice also a very
terrible situation. So I think that they may try to
lay down the hammer here with him and knock him
for a signal.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Also five years, like five years probation, Like yeah, it's
severe enough that the NFL isn't just going to be
like you know, like Jordan Addison. That's why I have
always believed whenever it was going to be, it wasn't
going to be four games. It's six to eight in
my mind, and that's what worries me. So it's like
everyone's like, oh, hey, I'm gonna get she Rice. So
the first four this is awesome. It's like, well, it's

(25:02):
not if he's going to be then suspended for eight
you know, and then it's like maybe you'll get him
for the playoffs if you're lucky. It's like taking an
injured player that's going to be out for two months.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah. When I posted a video about this for on
the Fantasy Pros YouTube channel, just kind of talking about
there is like a very fine best case scenario with
him where it's he plays the first four weeks, immediately
get suspended after that, and then he's back for you
during your playoff run and then you also hope that, Okay,
he took some time off, he was able to kind
of get back to where he was, because you also
have to remember he is coming off a season any

(25:34):
injury like That's another thing too that I think during
training camp it seemed like he was all fine, but
then all the suspension cup kind of took over that
discourse when it came to Rashie Rice. So yeah, a
very confusing player overall, and I think you really need
to weigh where he goes in your drafts. I think
that there's an opportunity cost with him where it does
make sense, but you kind of have to have a

(25:55):
plan with him. It's actually interesting somebody recommended you draft
rushing Rice and Jordan Addison at the same time, and
you have Addison fill in once Rice gets suspended when
he comes off of his suspension. So there are a
couple of ways where you can fill in that hole
that Rice is going to leave on your roster if
you do it in the correct way, if he falls
significantly enough. But I would say round seven, I think
that that is a fair price.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I don't I don't know if I'm going to do that.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I mean, maybe if you get to suspended guys.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, like a bunch of suspen Like, hey, by the way,
also took Chris Godwin. That was cool. And it's just like, na, like,
I'm good with all of that.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
No, no, no, And I totally get that it's it's.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
But you could do it at four and five, your
wide receiver four and five. That makes it interesting if
there were bench guys.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, But it goes back to the point that I
made I think a few minutes ago, where I think
that the Rice season that we all want him to
have statistically is probably gonna happen in twenty twenty six,
not this year, even if he does have flashes again,
and you're hoping if you draft him that it is
during the fantasy postseason when he comes back. And the
other thing I want to point out as well with Rice,
because I think it's worth the discussion, is when you

(26:59):
draft him, you're not going to be able to probably
trade him, right because who's gonna like, well, it's like
who's going to go approach you and be like, hey,
I'll buy Rushi Rice for you, knowing he's gonna get
spended for like eight games and if they try to
trade for him, it's going to be for nothing. So
once you draft Rushie Rice, like you're you're kind of
like locked in. I feel like, I don't know if
you disagree with that, but that's something that I was

(27:20):
also thinking about where you have to commit to. Okay,
he's going to be part of my draft planning, my
draft team this year, and I totally understand if you
decide I yeah, no, this seems like a headache because, yeah,
there's going to be hurdles you're gonna have to overcome
when you put them on your team.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, that's a you made your bed, you're gonna lie
in it situation. The only thing that's going to happen
is like he plays four games, he gets it suspended
six and then around like week eight or nine, some
teams try to start coming around being like hey, I'll
get you Rashi Rice for you and I'll eat a
week or two, and it's like nothings Like that's what
it's going to end up looking like. So you make
your bed, you lie in it. Friends, Get ready for

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Who do you have.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
In Madden?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Bogman.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
So it's fair because I probably haven't touched like a
video game in a long time, but I have. I've
always had Bogman's number. I'm a menace in Madden, but
I haven't played it in two years. So just putting
that out there. So this is like me coming out
of retirement. This is like I'm coming out of retirement
to get back out there kick the field. But Bogman,

(30:09):
get your early.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Is Bogman one of those Madden players where you just
have to beat him once or twice and on a
couple of plays and then he starts to spiral, Because
that's how I am. I'll be really I'll be focused
on trying to move the ball methodically down the field,
but the minute that I throw an interception or make
a mistake, it just becomes full out engage. Eight every
single play on defense, four verts every single play on offense.

(30:34):
I just get really frustrated, and that's why I get
really aggressive, and that's why I start doing really dumb things.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
You know, I would actually say that's probably closer to me,
to be honest with you, But I'm a menace on defense.
That's the big problem. Like, I'm really difficult on defense.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
I hate defense and mad and so yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
When you try to like everyone tries to do their
same thing. They're like, okay, you know you didn't get
my wide receiver deep, let me go my tight end middle.
Like I'm good with linebacker coverage. So defense is where
I get a lot of stuff done. Bogman is more
of a cool cucumber, but he you know, he plays
in will be the show. He's got more video games.
Well guess what, you guys can come and hang out.
You can probably use like channel points to vote. We'll
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(31:13):
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So make sure you are locked in with all of us.
All right, let's go to Ribs and Cheese. Premium member
on the Fantasy Pros discord. Well, so we got dog pictures.
I always love the dog pictures. But you do have
to unmute your microphone. PSA, I'm neut your microphone to

(31:36):
everybody moving forward? But what's up?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
What's up? No?

Speaker 1 (31:38):
No, you're all good, dude.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
So I've got a dynasty trade question, but really, EXPO
is a re draft question. Sure, so potential trade that
I would be giving up to more Chase, which is
the big problem. Hang up, I'm having in the deal
and trying to decide if it would be worth it.
So it'd be giving up Chase Hawkinson in A twenty

(32:00):
seven first, which should be late I'm contender. But the
other side of the deal would be getting Brock Bowers,
Drake London and Garrett Wilson. So I know Chase is
pretty clear the one to one receiver this year, so
kind of just trying to figure out how big of
a drop from Chase to London. I know a lot
of people are high on London, especially at Fantasy Pros

(32:22):
this year as with his potential upside. So it's a
ten team league and half point tightened premium. So does
that make it worth going to brock Bauers to give up?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
On other question? Real quick? What is your other wide
receiver depth?

Speaker 6 (32:36):
It's really good. I have Nico A. J. Brown, Olave Addison.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah all right, but okay, so this is interesting. I'm
like him in and Han here because that's a situation
where he's already got demons at wide receiver and you're
just going to add more depth of them. I mean,
Titan premium. Are you willing to give up I mean
not like getting nothing back, You're getting London, You're Brock.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean you're getting Brock back.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
No, No, Andrews, I totally understand that, Like, are you willing
to give up Chase to get those other two guys
in pursuit of brock Bowers when he has that type
of wide receiver depth or no?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I think so. I think that that's probably. I mean,
he's Chase going to be the triple crown winner again
this year. I mean maybe maybe somehow that begals. I mean,
I still think Chase can be the wide receiver one again.
But I also do love Drake London. He's also twenty
five years old, still super young. And if Michael Pennix
hits in a big way, well then the London Penix

(33:36):
connection is going to be something that's happening every single
year between these two guys. So you could see them
taking that leap. Garrett Wilson has established a high floor.
We're still waiting for him to potentially hit the ceiling
with some quarterback. Maybe it's with fields, maybe it's not.
Maybe it's still another quarterback to be named later. But
you know that he's good. We know Garret Wilson is.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Good, and he's got Nico and AJ Brown. So like
we got to assume Ribs type in the comments, can
four wide receivers start? Is this like three wide receivers
in a flex? That's pretty important here, I think as well,
because not to be dismissive of it, but it's like
if he's like, hey, it's two wide receivers and no flex,
then it's like, I mean, you're always going to not

(34:17):
start one of those guys. It's really becoming about Chase
for Bowers.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking too.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Two wide receiver, three flex Okay, so you can start
all those wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Then yeah, I think that I think that that's I
think that's enough. I know it's always tough to try
to when you're thinking about trading Chase in any capacity
because he's one of the highest it's not the number
one dynasty asset and individual player, but you're getting rock
Bowers in a tight end premium and rock Bowers could
be the tight end one for the next ten years.

(34:50):
And with that, with that shock you Welsh, No, I
mean no, definitely not. I think it's getting back for Chase.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
It's a very fair trade. It's a very fair trade
in like you, I personally, I'm always never the biggest
fan of these like quantity for the quality. But this
is one of those scenarios where it's not like the
dude's like, hey, I'll give you Jaden Reed, Juwan Jennings
a second rounder and brock Bauers. I mean he's still

(35:19):
brock Bars is great. He's giving you like great stuff,
Like you're getting wide receivers that could be easily top
five and the best tight end in there, which is
a huge upgrade. So yeah, I think you can do
it. It's tough to give up Chase, but I really do
think you can do it. So good question, Axel Axel
in the house. What you got, dude with an unmuted microphone?

(35:42):
Pretty please? There we go.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Hey, well, sounds like you got that user man on Madden.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, there's a little bit of a I'm a bogman.
I'll attest to it. I'm a I'm a menace with
the user stick. So we'll see if that ended up
playing out. Who do you got Bogman or me?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I got you man?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Come on, my dude, my dude, all right, what do
you But what do you got here?

Speaker 3 (36:05):
So it's clear that everyone's fading. So that's the case.
Why is he is still a top three running back?
And at what point are you willing to take him?
How far does he.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Have to drop?

Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I love that, by the way, And great question, brother, Uh,
very very funny tweet. The hat tip to that Drake
may account you I think it was you or Mayor
put it in our side and this dude is going
viral hat tip to him, and we love it personally
Fantasy pros. But if you haven't seen the tweet, it's

(36:37):
it's like a sleeper draft and it and he circles
Saquon Barkley going three, and it was Jamar Chase going too,
but Drake London is the first pick and he goes,
can you believe this idiot took Saquon Barkley at three
or some like that and Drake London going the one one.
It's sitting there one of my I think Mayor said
it like a Hall of Fame tweet. It's pretty dang good,

(36:59):
pretty game dang good where everybody's doing the same jokes.
This was very creative. I know you had to like it.
So this is more of a question for you because
I got saque at RB three. You are the Saquon hater?
What is the what is the limit? Where's the spot
where you actually pull the trigger on Saquon? Because what
do you have him at RB forty two seventy five?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Oh? I don't have him an RB forty two. I
mean he still have him as a first round.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Pick, Quinchawn Judkins or Saquon Barkley all right now, But
where do you have him? And like, what what would
be the point where you would take him?

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I mean I'd take him at the back of the
first round. But he's never going to be there. So
that's look, I've said what I've said that I have,
That's how I feel about Barkley. Just I'm trusting the process. Yeah,
it worked last year with McCaffrey. It worked, and then
the year before that, people forget is Josh Jacobs, same
exact type of thing, same exact bet.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
What RB do you have him at? What is it six?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
He's five? Still have on top five running back? I mean,
I just I basically have to be in a room
with a bunch of other people that also feel the
same way about Saquon for me to take him. So
I am I am always kind of interested if that
were to happen where it's me, it's Joe and other
people that aren't that are lower on Saquon versus consensus.

(38:14):
If we were all in a room together, drafting together. Now,
where would Sequin actually be drafted in that ridicular case,
because eventually somebody that is quote unquote not high on
Saquon would eventually have to take him. Because I have
to acknowledge that. Okay, I still think that I would.
I'm still going to draft him, probably over Derek Henry,
even though I think Henry probably has a higher floor
than Saquon does.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
But like compared to the wide receiver, let's get like,
and I know you're you're in not incorrect when you say,
like it's not going to happen, but let's play the
world where it does. Like you're kind of alluding to
what's the wide receiver that you would pass to take Barkley?
So we already know there's four running backs are going
to go. We know Chase, we know Jefferson. I'm going
to assume it's easy to say lamb and Pooka Brian

(38:54):
Tom Like what Drake Len Like, what what's the wide receiver?
Where you say, okay, I won't take the wide receiver
on now take.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
We'll take take one over Lake neighbors.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Oh you, oh you will over Milake?

Speaker 3 (39:04):
What do you have?

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Molak at five?

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Six?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
He said seven my receiver? Seven? Okay, So like an
half PPR we're saying, we're.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Saying eleven, like eleven or twelve is truly the spot
where you are comfortable taking Saquon?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, back end of the round one, Okay. I just
wanted to get like I'll never be there.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
No, you're not wrong about that. Actually, did you have
a follow up? Your hand came back up, what was
your follow up to?

Speaker 3 (39:29):
This is Christian m is Christian McCaffrey this year.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
You know the best bet I had last year? It
was the it was so easy I had been I
had done a combo bet of Derrick Henry and Sakwon
Barkley to just both go over a thousand yards do
that then cash I think in like week eleven. I
don't know if you remember me talking about that it.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Was the easiest. I don't remember that, but yeah, that that's.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
And I got great odds because it was like injuries
and and all that type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
What are you gonna settle down this year?

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Well, it's I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna get.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
His get minus six hundry.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, yeah, exactly if I want to make the real
big bet, sick would like, what does it take like
Ken McCaffrey play that, I guess just getting back to
acxl's question, like, are you, like, could you at all
feel comfortable that McCaffrey could be this years saque And
what he means is like a back that's going you know,
wheel ish and ends up being just you know, absolute

(40:30):
beast and number one overall guys, it's with him, it's
always tied to injury. So I guess it's like, I
don't hear anybody talking about his his ability, it's just
the injury. So it's like, I guess the answers got
to be yes, right, ericson, Like, if he's not hurt,
he could be this year's Saquon.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I don't think that end will be like totally shocked
if especially if you're measuring his success on a points
per game basis. You know, if McCaffrey just runs back
similar to what he did in twenty twenty three, I
mean I have McCaffrey as a top five running back.
Actually I have Sycle barking, So I sorry, I misspoke.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
So what you broke up? You had Cecone where he's
my ur before Sorry okay, and what McCaffrey is five?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yep. Yeah. So the other issue though, is when we
do this a lot in fantasy where we're trying to
copy and paste what happened last year? Right, Okay, who's
going to be this year's bucket Irving? Right, totally get that. Well,
the year before that, what were we trying to find?
Well this year is pooku Nakua and who was it? Nobody.

(41:30):
There was no Pooka Nikua. There was no you know,
day three wide receiver that totally you know exploded, just
because these trends don't always happen year after year. It's actually,
you know, years apart that these things start to happen.
So last year it was the running back running back
veteran renaissance. Right, there's all these veteran running backs, and
even Bunting was pointing out in the chat, you know,

(41:52):
talking about how we usually it's the process the fade
veteran running backs on a new team. Obviously, Derrick Henry
take On Barkley, Josh Jacobs all were very successful in
their first years with these new teams. And it also
coincided with a really bad rookie running back class. You know,
last year's rooi running back class was when we looked
at top the bottom, not a very strong class. I mean,

(42:12):
Jonathan Brooks was the first guy drafted and he barely played,
Trey Benson, Blake Corum guys that barely played. And the
two hits really from Day three were Bucky Irving, who
was underdrafted and well obviously was a big hit. And
then Tyron Tracy who was able to beat out Devin
Singletary and become the Giants started running back. So when
we're talking about and reflecting on this year, you know,
the story of the running back this year, is it

(42:34):
just going to be exactly what happened last year?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Well, ven running backs just smashed again. I mean maybe
maybe it's just a repeat the sequel. It's exactly like
the original. They just try to run back the hits.
But I'm more in the camp of thinking about, well,
this Rooki running neck class is way different than last
year's and I think that this Rooi running back class
is going to be the story of this season. And
that's why when I'm looking at the round one, am

(42:57):
I chasing last year and the year before that was
Sake Barkley and Christian McCaffrey, Or am I trying to
chase who I could be? Who could be the number
one pick next year with Ashton Genty? Like when we're
talking about twenty twenty six, who's going to be the
number one running back off the board? Is it going
to be Barkley, McCaffrey or Ashton Genty? And I think
Miavy Gibbs. Excuse me, Bjean and but yeah, again, I

(43:19):
have Bjeon and Gibs him the separate tier ahead of
those guys. So that's why I just didn't bring him up.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, no, I was just being stupid.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
No, no, no, you're you're keeping me accountable. Well, so
that's what we do in the discord. It has been
keep each other accountable. But that's just kind of how
I'm kind of thinking about this potential season, and I
wouldn't surprise me. Barkley and McCaffrey start out hot, you know,
as older players, they're fresh right now. But as the
season wanes, you know, are those going to be the
guys that are there in week fifteen, sixteen seventeen that

(43:48):
are winning you the championships? Or is it going to
be Ashton genty? You know, this uber talented prospect, nearly
perfect prospect profile where he should see three hundred, three
hundred and fifty touches for the Las Vegas Raiders, who
I think is an underrated team overall from top to bottom.
Upgraded the quarterback position with Gino Smith. So that's something
I'm thinking about when we're projecting out this season. You know,

(44:09):
what will be the story for the running backs and
I'm just not convinced that it's going to be the
exact same thing we saw last year.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, And I would just come back to say back
to the question of like Ken McCaffrey, be it absolutely
because there's a similarity in that McCaffrey Barkley's talent was
never really in question. He was now going to a
better situation and you're hoping to avoid injury. Same thing
with McCaffrey. So McCaffrey's healthy, he absolutely can be, but
his cost is rising more than barkley'ss. You never saw
Barkley go in the first round really last year, or

(44:36):
I didn't a ton I think I think McAffrey went
eight in my last night the Industry League. No, he went, sorry,
went ten, he went ten last night.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
I will say too that if we're trying to make
a comparison, and I talked about him a little bit earlier,
he was something that I just did some more research
on today. So with Sakuan, obviously he was on a
new team, but there was no debate on Okay, he's
in a much better situation that he's been in previous years,
and if he's healthy, he should be able to smash

(45:04):
and we obviously saw the talent with sake on Barkley
as a rookie. And when I think about those type
of optics, I honestly think about ken Walker a little
bit where what's kind of stopped him? Well, he's been
injured in the Seahawks haven't really He's been the greatest
situation for him. And now you can debate, you know, well,
they have Sam Darnold, like how great of a quarterback
is he? I think that you know, I'm not going

(45:24):
to post him up on this pedestal and it's not
a oh he's playing for the he's running behind the
Eagles offensive line anymore. Not the case. But you know,
out of Seahawks camp, they've talked about how this is
the first time that ken Walker's playing in a run
first offense, an offense that wants to feature him more
than previous regimes. And McDonald has talked about featuring ken Walker.
And yes, I know that he's been banged up and

(45:46):
they're really trying to maintenance his workload. But I mean,
we're always talking about, well McCaffrey stays healthy, if Barkley
stays healthy, Well what if round four ken Walker stays
healthy in this offense. That last year with Klink Kubiak,
Alvin Kamara number one among all running backs and expected
Fantasy points per game, So his role as the RB
one in Klin Kubek's offense was better than anyone else

(46:08):
in terms of scoring fantasy points. So when you then
consider where ken Walker is going round four versus all
these other running backs, we're trying to make the upside cases.
That's what I'm making. My bet on is ken Walker.
So that's another player I wanted to throw out as
some of them maybe we're not talking about as an
upgraded situation and why they could thrive if they end

(46:28):
up staying healthy.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
This yeah, yeah, I mean I see it. I think
there's a little i mean offensive line. Charbonnay's there. There's
some question. I don't want to keep hashing on this,
but it's really good conversation, great breakdown stuff. It's very good. Joe,
Joe's a premium member on the Fantasy Pros Discord. Joe
hasn't been up yet. Let's get Joe's Joseph's unless you
don't like being called Joe, and then we're going to
do a lightning round on some of the questions. In

(46:50):
the chat, I see a couple of our guys who've
already been up. We should don't bring guys back up.
So if you have dropping the chat, what's going on?
But Joseph hit unmute, dropped the question and Liz roll youah,
Fernando Tati's picture you unmuted, but we can't hear you.
Your mic not might be set, all right, you figured
that out. There's an audio settings thing here on discord
that you can test. You figure that out. Baby. Let's

(47:12):
do a little bit of a lightning round in the
chat before we get out of here. But we want
to remind you guys. You mentioned we got the after
party on Fantasy Pros over on Twitch, but if you're
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That's right. The team here at Fantasy Pros are taking
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(47:35):
We've already mentioned this coming Tuesday at seven pm Eastern,
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(47:55):
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you are doing it all right. I am scrolling back
up to see if I can find some of these questions.
Need more cow Bell Jutkins. Where does he fall in
a rookie draft rankings relative to Ted RJ and Caleb

(48:18):
So lightning round? What do you think is he is
Judkins kind of back to his original cost value?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
I kind of think so. I mean I think that
he's just going to go at the end of the tier.
I mean, Hampton's gonna go in front of him, Henderson
Harvey obviously. I mean maybe people will now take him
over Caleb Johnson. I personally wouldn't do that. I still
take Caleb Johnson over him, and then I feels think
the first round tight Ends will go ahead of him
cam Ward to go ahead of him probably, I mean

(48:45):
definitely in super flex. I think that that's not really
up for debate. And yeah, all the receivers McMillan, Hunter, Agbuka, Golden.
I think that he's probably gonna end up being in
that Burden Higgins tier. And then I think that he'll
probably go ahead of like Trey Harris for example, Like
I think that's probably where someone would stay. Oh all right,
he's back. I'm going to take him now because I
think that before this all of this stuff happened, he

(49:07):
was clearly ahead of the second round wide receivers. Now,
probably he's probably in the mix there, And I don't know.
I mean, some people have been disappointed with Cale Johnson
after preseason Week one. I personally don't really care that
much about it.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
I don't care about one game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone's like, oh,
he's a bust one preseason game and they're just like,
we got it wrong. All right, let's give it a
little bit, all right, all right, let's keep going. Remember
Lightning round. Would you rather gent or a Chan as
your hero running back in full PPR super close? I

(49:42):
might go eight Chan on that full PPR.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Both good options.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, yeah, they are good options. Twelve man PPR starting
two running backs, two wide outs, three flexes. Oh, I
think that was just the answer to the thing before.
What is the best choice between CMC Nico Puka or
gent full PPR three wide receiver format in a ten team?
That's from Jay Roney. This is probably for you going
to go back to gent d full PPR though.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Where is this is this question in the chat?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, it's in the chat. It's right above the Michael
Scott meme. That's what the chat in these do. By
the way, people are dropping memes and answering each other's question.
It's very fun during these shows. But CMC Nico Puka
or gent full PPR three wide receivers in the ten.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Team, I still think I'm going with Puga man. I
just I believe in the talent, and yes, the stafford
thing is therefully concerning, But they have Jimmycgoppolo there as
a backup, and he's competent enough to get the ball
to Puka, who just gets so many scheme looks in
this offensive environment. And Puca's just the beast man. He's

(50:46):
so he's so good. I'm gonna feel like an idiot.
If I decide, well, I'm not going to play him
because Stafford made me miss a game or two. And again,
remember Stafford is a warrior. This guy will play through
basically anything differs teammates. So I think that that I
think maybe we're overblowing it. Just a tad. I'm willing
to scoop up Pooka if he falls.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Geronni also asks best sauce to dip a breakfast burrito,
and I feel like some cheese based sauce.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Really, I'm I would mother. Someone in the comments said,
who t f as well? Vera da salce salce salsa.
I agree, I like some salsa with burritos.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
I'm not a big breakfast burrito person.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Or a or avocado gualcamole.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Well, like a breakfast burrito though, is rocking. Like the
guacamole would be good. But it's like eggs and stuff
in there, right, You're not doing like a traditional.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
You could put salsa on eggs.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess people do. I just
some cheese based thing sounds really good. Bud Dick said, hypothetically,
if Hill did return to the Chiefs, does that significantly
decrease Worthy's value. Make this quick. I don't want to
go too crazy on that because that's a big hypothetical.
I know that's been rumored. I just don't see how
that's going to happen in any capacity. I know there

(52:00):
the weird stuff with Tyreek Hill and two and all that,
But like the easy answers, yes, like if any big
wide receiver would return, like it's gonna affect everybody's value.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, I think it would just make it a fantasy mess.
To be honest, it would just make it a nightmare. Especially,
but you can see the clear need for the Chiefs
to add another wide receiver right now. Worthy is healthy,
Rice is we don't know what he's gonna play, when
he's gonna play, And the guy they were expecting to
be that third receiver, Marquis Brown, is already heard again,

(52:36):
So I know this is a hypothetical scenario. But if
Hill does gets traded, it takes two to tango who
wants to trade for him. The Chiefs make sense, especially
based on their current wide receiver needs. Potentially obviously they
drafted Jalen Royals, so maybe he can step up. But
I again, it wouldn't be shocked.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
The lending and what round would you be targeting McMillan
in drafts twelve Team three wide receiver half PPR with
pick eleven. That's you'd probably have to do it, probably four, four.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Or five, round four, I think where it's almost a wheel.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
He's pick eleven, so like if you wanted to risk it,
but I'd probably take him with that pick in the
well hold on one, two, three, Well, no, because four
and five have the big turn. So yeah, you'd have
to do it at four.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah. I think that McMillan's going to be such a beast.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
He's such a beast.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
When we pull out the week two rankings, he's going
to be. I think he's going to be consensus top
twenty guys.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Dude, I was so I was so pissed. I wanted
him in that flex league and he went. I took
Breise Hall in the third and then he went three
picks later in the third pick I'm sorry, the second
to last. Oh no, no, I'm screwing this up. Second pick
in the third round, so I didn't even get a

(53:54):
chance before my third round pick to take him. He
went high. He went before Marvin Harrison doing to check
out who we went before he went before T Higgins.
Oh wow, Garrett, Garrett Wilson, Marvin Harrison, Mike Evans, DJ Moore,
Terry McLaurin, and DeVante Adams, whoa going baby?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
We all right? Well just but listeners, you're not gonna
have to do that and no get him. But even
if you still reach around or two where his ADP
is listed on some of these sites, you're going to
get him at a great value and you don't be
that aggressive. But round four, I think is hey, let's
pull up Ted, let's snag him here.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, well it did in the third round there.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Sorry McMillan.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
He doesn't like to call it Ted, his mom doesn't
like it to be. I'm comfortable with.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Team or Tam Mac. He says, Team Mac is a
good too.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Tony Macs, though, isn't there who's the other Tea Mac
is Terry McLaurin.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I don't know he's TMC or F one.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I feel like there's another t Mac And there was
a basketball like McGrady, what is basketball? What is basketball?
That is it? That is the show? Though we can
answer that question next week. Great stuff, And here a
bunch of you guys hanging out love that you guys
were hanging out with us, and I want you to
do it more because remember, you could do it for
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(55:20):
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(55:40):
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(56:01):
this Tuesday. Ericson You're doing You're gonna be, aren't you?
In like three or four segments during the Fantasy Fest
and you're gonna probably be in the chat and stuff, right.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I'm gonna be dialed into all things Fantasy Fests. So
I think we kick off at two pm Eastern till midnight.
It's probably not that long, but we're gonna be We're
gonna be getting you guys everything you need to get
ready for your drafts, having a ton of fun. I
love the myriad of guests that we have set ups,
So shout out to the team for bringing all this talent.

(56:32):
But it's gonna be really fun.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
So are you gonna come watch me over on Twitch?
You're gonna watch me and bogwin.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Game a little Yucher dark. I'm gonna have to come in.
I'm gonna have to do some hackling, of course.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah, it's a little it's a little late. It is
gonna be five straight hours. I'm in the middle. I'm
gonna be hosting an hour of the Fantasy Fest. So
whether that's good or bad for the listeners, whether you
avoid it or you're in, I'll be an hour and
I got hooked up with some huge guests as well,
and then I will be a part of the draft party.
But we're gonna be talking ranks and sleepers, mock drafts,
and we'll move after the five hours on Tuesday at

(57:02):
two pm to seven pm Eastern, and we'll move over
to Twitch Twitch dot tv Slash Fantasy pros Bagman and
I and then we'll have the producer in there. Hopefully
we'll have some of the guys hanging in here. We'll
be battling it out in Madden, so that should be
a ton of fun. Oh last thing, Banchie said, this
is a great question. Who had a faster mock draft

(57:23):
phil yesterday? Less than two seconds for each? I think
I did. I did some mock drafts on the discord.
I literally had one that filled instantly. I don't know
if you've experienced that.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
No, it's basically like they're ready to get in.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
There wasn't even a trickle effect. Like I looked at
the draft room and it instantly filled. It's the craziest
thing I've ever seen. So another reason to check out
the discord. Erickson's in here. I did some impromptu I'm
gonna be doing some amas and some more mock drafts,
so make sure you do that. But again, Fantasy Fest
on Tuesday, please come and hang out with us. We're
gonna have a ton of fun. Want to get everybody
in there and just hanging talk fantasy. What more could

(57:58):
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