August 19, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin unveils his first Herd Hierarchy for the 2025 season with an NFC powerhouse at number 1 and the Chiefs surprisingly low
He talks to Albert Breer about the Colts making Daniel Jones their starting QB, what to expect from the Bears this season, what the Bengals will do with Trey Hendrickson, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, our two on
a Tuesday. We got a lot of stuff percolating. Albert
Breer is gonna be around the corner. John Middletoff is
joining us for the rest of the week. Jamtkins next week.
He's been on vak SO a lot of things moving.
The Trey Hendrickson thing, apparently they're miles apart in Cincinnati.
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The JJ McCarthy stuff still fascinating. Joe Burrow's playing three
series last night. Caleb Williams, So, John, I figured today
because I kind of feel like we've got coaching changes,
free agency, draft development, OTA's training camp, preseason. I kind
of feel like I know whether I'm right or not.
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I kind of feel like I know what I believe
as of today. So I'm going to give you kind
of this is my final Herd hierarchy before we get
into that season, which is the first Thursday after Labor Day. Here,
in my opinion, are the top ten teams headed into
this NFL season heard hierarchy. No, No, the top ten
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NFL teams according to college Number ten. Detroit lost both
coordinators who were excellent, lost a couple of their best
offensive linemen on the interior. That's an issue. That's why
they addressed it in this draft. They've already had injuries
in this preseason, and so I have They're the fourth
NFL team to lose both coordinators in the last twenty
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five years. It's hard go ass Philadelphia, and especially when
they're elite coordinators that get head coaching jobs. So the
division's better lost their coordinators. I have Detroit at number ten.
Number nine, green Bay very quiet camp. Now, Jordan Love
struggled in the division last year. It was one in five,
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only beat the Bears barely, so that's a little concerning.
But they upgraded their receiving corps. You know, they've They've
added some nice pieces, not necessarily game changers, although they
improve the interior of their offensive line. And I just
think they've had a quiet camp. I'm not worried about
the Jordan Love left hand injury at all. I think
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this is a well run operation. I like teams that
are quiet in July and August. They have been. I
have them at nine, number eight the Rams. This is
I would have them much higher. I'd have them two
or three. But the Matt Stafford injury is concerning. No
team played more rookies than the Rams last year, which
you'd think is a bad thing, but they were also
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the least penalized team in the league. They have a smart, young,
hyper aggressive defense that will be the key to their team,
not Matt Stafford, but you got to have Stafford on
the field. They're not particularly strong at backup. The division
solid Rams at number eight, number seven the Commanders. I
may have them higher. I don't like the Terry McLaurin vibe.
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I think you have to give young quarterbacks dependable weapons.
Their offensive line is still okay. DBO will help, but
I think I think the Giants could be a tough,
mediocre team. Philadelphia is not going backwards, so I think
there's some tough games on the schedule back to back
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playoff teams from last year to no that's Green Bay.
I think Washington overall is going to be good. I
do not think they'll end up in the NFC Championship,
so they may take a step back and how they finish,
but I still think they'll be a very viable, fun
team to watch in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Team.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Number six Seattle back to back to back drafts that
I like. They are going to rely on that run game.
They upgraded their offensive line, their defense will be in
the second year under Mike McDonald. The early schedule is
pretty easy for sam Donold, who I do believe is
a better version of Geno Smith. He's a better athlete,
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can be a bit reckless, but he's a West Coast kid.
I think he's comfortable. I think they upgraded an offensive coordinator.
So I just think this is a team if Jackson
Smith and Jacoba can become a number one ride receiver.
I like their becks, I like their O line, I
like their secondary. There's not a lot about Seattle I
don't like. And if Stafford, by the way, did not
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play much this year, I already have them winning the division.
That could be two wins. Number five Kansas City. Listen,
in the last two seasons, they've been number fifteen in
scoring offense, all right, so they're getting old tight end
Chris Jones is not getting younger. I really like the
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hierarchy of the franchise. They're not going to go eleven
to zero one score games. The division's tougher. God if
they could go, if they could go eight and four
in one score games, you'd feel great about it. But
I think they're built for the postseason. Great coaching, great quarterback,
old weapon. But I think they'll get dinged up in
the regular season. I have Kansas City. They're still waiting
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on that Rashid Rice Dues on the suspension. That doesn't
help because I thought he developed into a volume number
one wide receiver, maybe a lower tier one, but a one.
I have him at five, number four. Broncos. Listen, they
didn't just add players, They added elite players. Drake Greenlaw,
Evan Ingram who fun get safety. Last year's defense was
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good and aggressive. Why would it go backwards? So again,
bo Nicks in a second year. The old line is
rated number two according to PFF in preseason. So last
year caught us by surprise. This year, all their good
young players are a year older. In the system of
Sean Payton, I have Denver at number four, number three,
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Baltimore and they're gonna win seventy five percent of their
games with Lamar Jackson, number one total offense last season,
top ten scoring defense. They do everything well, I mean
they really do. They can throw it, they can run it,
special teams, defense, culture. I think it's probably the best
run organization along with Kansas City in the National Football League,
maybe Philadelphia. But what don't they do well? Well? They
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don't win a lot of playoff games, Okay, Josh Allen,
Patrick Mahomes, now, Sean Payton and Harball. It's hard in
the AFC. I have Baltimore at three, number two, but
I think the world's best football player is Josh Allen.
I'll put Buffalo at two. Also, Buffalo in their division,
should go two to zero against Miami in two and
oh against the Jets, and should be a much better
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team overall than New England. I think they come in
with a better seed. James Cook is wrapped up. I
think he's a really, really good running back. I don't
know if John and I have talked about this. James
Cook quietly has become a really nice running back in
a weapon. I think they've drafted well. I don't think
their rosters overall as good as Baltimore. I don't think
it's overall as good as Philadelphia, but I think their
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quarterback is able to do things to extend plays and
elevate teammates that nobody else in the sport can do.
I have Buffalo at two number one. Listen. Not only
was their defense number one last year, I looked it
up this morning. It was the youngest defense in the
league and the cheapest, so they knew everything right. I
don't think they're as good at quarterback. I think when
you can force Philadelphia to play from behind and you
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can force them to throw, they're not as dangerous as
a Buffalo is forced to throw or a Kansas City is.
But again, it's they do everything well. They GM well,
they quarterback well, their line plays incredible. Saquon Barkley has
just been jet fuel to an uber talented roster. So
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there is my herd hierarchy a couple of teams. Where
are the Chargers. I think the Rashawn Slater injury is
a real problem. They are a Joe allt wish to
ankle from being in real trouble up front, and I
still don't trust their receiving corps outside of labmconkie. So
I have them at eleven, Bengals at twelve. With that,
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Albert Breer joins us, and he is joining us a lot.
Let's let's touch on the Matt Stafford things. So Matt
Hasselbeck said, listen, when you get old, the back injuries
are a problem, you can overcome a lot. This thing
looks I mean, I know the Rams do a good
job like the Patriots did to hide bad news. Like
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what's the feel around the league on Stafford and the Rams.
Is it worse than they're letting on?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Well, I think there's like some teams that are looking
at the Rams now with a little bit of an
arshty brow based on all the things that you just said.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
As for the Rams themselves, the vibe I've.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Gotten is that, like whether it was eighty eighty five,
ninety percent, like during training camp, like they just weren't
gonna push him out there until he was one hundred percent,
and they felt like, because of all the damage he's
taken over the court of his career, that there are
only so many bullets left in the gun. They also
felt like having Jimmy Garoppolo on the roster gave them
a good amount of flexibility in that they could go
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and run their offense and practice without a hitch.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
While again saving.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Those bullets that Matthew Stafford only has a limited amount of.
So that's the approach that they've taken, like they felt
like the last couple of weeks. If we have a
game tomorrow, he's playing, but it's not worth, you know,
it's not worth putting those miles on his body at
this stage of training camp, at this stage of the summer. Yeah,
And so I think they go forward now and ramping
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Matthew Stafford up for the season. Obviously, the stepback a
week ago wasn't great news, and it should have everybody's
radar up. But Matthew's been through this before. He had
the elbow, he had the risk. Those were very troublesome
injuries for a quarterback. This is a troublesome injury for
any older player, and you just see if you can
manage it over the course of the year.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So John Middelkoff said by naming Daniel Jones the starter,
and Shane Steikin said, it's not a sh or term move.
It's kind of like he's surrendered on Anthony Richardson like,
we gave it a run. Yeah, I mean that's what
it feels like to me. What is your take on
the move? It doesn't sound like it's just week one
and two. It's like the decision by the franchise.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Well, I think if they were going to build that
in Colin, what would have made more sense is you
go to Anthony Richardson knowing you can go to Daniel Jones, right,
Like if you go with Daniel Jones from the start,
I think it's much harder to go back to Anthony
Richardson based on all of the history there. And look,
I think that one play, the play that he got
hurt on nobody wanted to see the result that the
Colts got right, But that one play was sort of
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a microscrosm of the problem with Anthony Richardson in that,
like the awareness, the.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Ability to run the offense at a high level, it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Just hasn't been there with Anthony Richardson to the level
where Shane Stiken wants it. And on that particular play,
he should have been able to recognize what was in
front of him. He should have been able to recognize
he was hot. He should have gotten the ball out
to the flat, and he did none of that, and
he exposed himself to injury. He exposed his team to
a loss of yardage, a loss of down, and that's
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the stuff that they've been trying to eliminate the entire offseason.
It's actually interesting if you look at the Colts last year,
right they were twenty ninth in total defense, and they
were thirtieth in giveaways. And they felt like if they
could clean those two things up, because they won eight
games despite all of that, they can have a playoff
team this year. So they bring in Loui Anroumo to
change the face of the defense. They spend on defense,
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they went out and got Tarvarius Ward and cam Bine
them to help their.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Secondary, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
And then on offense, the idea is, we got to
be way more better at taking way better at taking
care of the ball than we were in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And so I think they feel.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Like Daniel Jones, his ability to operate the offense, his
ability to protect the ball was just at a higher
level right now than Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And there are jobs on the line there this year.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
So they felt like for the team they have right now,
Daniel Jones was the better answer.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So, and you've been to twenty three training camps? What
was so? And I assume the Bears were one of
the Was the Bears one of those camps?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Okay, yep, the Bears were one of them.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It's so interesting you probably went from quiet, pensive Green
Bay a circus and by a forty minute train ride.
What was the Bears camp?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Like, I think there's a lot of I would say,
she's a lot of curiosity about where.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Ben Johnson was going to have that offense.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And I think for a lot of people coming in,
if you didn't know what Ben Johnson playing was, you
would look at it and be like, holy crap, like
this does not look the way that it's supposed to look.
And to be fair, like the day I was there,
Caleb Williams looked terrible.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
There's no better, there's no sugarcoating it.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I mean the first fall he threw was a throwaway
that landed five yards in bounds.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
A couple of plays after that, he threw it out
to the flat Noah and was home.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
So then you ask around about you know, what they're
plan is and what they're trying to accomplish and what
Ben Johnson and his staff were trying to do with
Caleb was let's feed him through a fire hose in
the spring and an early in training camp, and let's
see what he can handle, and let's see what he's
good at, and let's see what he's not good at.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And let's see how he learns.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Let's see how he takes those early lumps and is
able to compartmentalize them. And then over the course of camp,
the hope was that they would get a more resilient
player who's playing faster, and as coaches, they would get
a better idea of what he was best at, so
they could build an offense based on that.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And I think you saw the result of some of
that on Sunday night.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Now, look, Buffalo wasn't doing a lot defensively.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They had their backups out there, so it has to
be tempered.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
But I think what you saw was a Caleb Williams
we really haven't seen, maybe even going back to college,
where he's playing fast, he's playing on time, the ball
is out, the plays are run in a fashion where
everything looks coherent. They know he can put on the
cape and be Superman. The idea is like, how do
you balance that was running an actual NFL offense, and
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it's a process getting a player like Caleb there. And
I think the evidence we saw, especially with some of
those stores, to the tight ends to Loveland and to
Comet down the seam, I think would indicate that Caleb's
playing a lot faster than he was last year.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So I think sometimes you go into a season and
you know you're not a super Bowl team, but you
have to figure things out before next year's free agency,
the trading deadline, in the draft. So I have argued
you can start Russell Wilson, but I want to know
by Thanksgiving can Jackson Dart handle cold weather? Can he
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go on the road and win? He had three years
a Lane Kiffin, so don't tell me he's not ready
to play three years a Lane Kiffin in a camp
with Brian Dable. That's hard coaching. I would play Jackson
Dart pretty early. From what you've been around the Giants.
Is quarterback one set in stone? Because next year's draft,
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I mean you start looking at it. Yeah, it is.
I did last night. They are like four quarterbacks that
could go top ten twelve picks.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Nusmire all are sellers.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, potentially yeah, you know, so what is the kind
of quiet covert game Planet quarterback from New York.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So Jackson Dark has checked every box and everything that
they thought they would have with him has come to fruition,
and so everything they put in front of him he's handled.
He's also shown a certain presence in Moxie for the
position that you hear about, but you don't really know
un till you have.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Him in the building. And they had a lot of
close connections.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
To Old miss right, like the offensive coordinator at Old
Missus Charlie Weiss Junior And who's Brian dave Balls mentor
is Charlie Weiss senior?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So Joe Judges on that staff.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Obviously still a lot of people in in the Giants
Bilding still no are no Joe Judge, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So there's a lot of connections there that part of
it's checked out as well.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
So I think what we're seeing here in the preseason
as a manifestation of what they're seeing in camp, which
I don't think changes their Week one plan, but I
think it does mean the leash is a little shorter
on Russell Wilson. In other words, it was do we
regshare to him? Is he ready to play now? It
looks a little more ready to play if we're ozhering three.
If we're one and four, do we start to look
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at our options? I think that's where you put yourself
right now. If Russell Wilson goes out wins games and
plays great, and they win eleven or twelve games this
year and gets the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Then maybe you don't see Jackson dart.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I just think there's going to be a little less
patience if the Giants stubbed their toe now because of
what they know, because of what they have in the bullpen.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So Joe Burrell said yesterday, Listen, we tend to sign
our guys right before the season. Once again, Burrow being
reasonably honest, which I appreciate. Is there a team lurking
out there that you wouldn't be surprised if we don't
hear in ten days we have a major deal and
the Bengals get four picks for trade us. I mean
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that's the kind of thing where Cincinnati would go, oh, good,
inexpensive players draft. I mean, their defense is atrocious without Hendrickson.
But is there a team that you'd think is kind
of Sniffin' a little bit and I mean, I almost
look at Philadelphia, but I don't think they need it.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Is there a team out there, I'd be surprised. And
I say that with all due respect to Trey Hendrickson
as a player.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And I think this becoming news over the last few
days is probably a little bit of an acknowledgment of
that from the player's side in wanting to try to
provoke something to happen here, some sort of offer to
come across here. I think the amount that Cincinnati is
asking for in addition to the contract is part of
the problem. Right, it's a pick, it's a really good
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defensive player, and then of course you've got to give
him the contract. And here's the thing, Colin, if I'm
another team, right like, let's say I'm a contending team,
because you would assume only contending teams are going to
bring in a player of this age. If I'm a
contending team and Cincinnati asked me for a premium draft pick,
which is going to be a young player and your
roster next year, and a really useful defensive player this year,
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so now you're taking that player out of your defense
and adding Trey Hendrickson, and now you're paying a guy
who's thirty one years old, whatever it is, thirty five,
thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty nine million dollars
a year, is that worth that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Like?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Is it so?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
In other words, if it is, hendrickson't going to be
that much better than the player you're taking out of
the equation to take on the contract in the age.
And I just think it's really hard to thread that
needle when you're talking about finding a trade partner here,
and the Bengals view themselves as a very real contender
and rightfully so, and so you know they're looking at
it as well, like the picks are nice, but the
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picks aren't going to help us this year. We need
something that's going to help us this year. So I
don't know how much they're going to move off the
idea that they want a really good veteran defensive player
out of this too. So I just it's hard for
me to see where all those pieces come together.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Well, I don't have have the camps you went to
in front of me, but I know that Cleveland sounds
like you went there because you could sneak a day
over in Columbus and shot it te I bet you
did you know Columbus is right around the corner. You
yet a little sneak peek at you're Alma mater. So
I mean, listen, I'm not watching film. Uh, Flacco is
my starter. I'd move Kenny Pickett. I've said this for months,
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and then let the two guys stay on the roster.
It's getting this. It's starting to feel like Tebow like
like it's getting into the you know, and I've said this,
Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback. Nobody in this league
wants it. People will deal with a young celebrity star
quarterback if he's you know, if he's really talented. There's
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a story today they may keep all four quarterbacks. Really,
what do you make it?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think I think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, I mean yeah, And you're right calm, like, I
think a big piece of this. And we went over
this with, you know, with Colin Kaepernick, with Tim Tebow,
and and a number of other quarterbacks saw their careers
end a little prematurely. I think like Cam Newton's in
that category. J Cutler's in that category because it was
hard for people to envision them as backup quarterbacks. Coaches
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want their backup quarterbacks to blend in with the furniture,
to be a resource to the starter, you know, so obviously,
like you know, having a fifth round rookie that has
a celebrity, that shoe or has fives in the face
of all of that. I think right now, what Kevin
Stefanski is trying to do is he's trying to serve
the roster that he has.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Right now. Have you looked at the first six games
in their schedule.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Colin, I can look at up. Is it rough?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It looks like it looks like Owen six is staring
you in the face, right like, So you look at
that schedule, and then how are you going to look
guys like Miles Garrett, like Denzel Ward, like Joel Atonio
in the face if you're not giving them the very
best answer you can at the quarterback position, Like you
can't if you're Kevin Stefanski go into the season with
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somebody who's far lesser than the best player on your
roster at the most important position on the field. And
I think that's what Joe Flacco is right now. Joe
Flacco gives them the best answer right now. I think
if you look at the way they set up the
quarterback competition over the course of the summer, they felt
like coming out of the spring, Kenny Pickett was really
the only one who had a chance to challenge him.
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And so you go into the season, you have the
six game stretch with Joe Flacco is your quarterback. You
have to buy a couple of weeks after that, and
so then I think maybe you reassess if things have
gone off the rails, because again, like looking out into
your locker room at the beginning of the year and
giving them a rookie quarterback who the locker room isn't
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quite sure can play.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Instead of Joe Flacco, that's a really tough look for
a coach.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Now, if you get to one and seven, or you're
three and eight, or you're four and.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Nine, that's a different deal altogether.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
At that point, coch like players know the score, but
for the here and the now, the idea is to
give them the best answer to win right now, and
a guy who's going to give them the best chance
to succeed individually and as a team, And very clearly
that's been Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
All right. You know, it's funny we took this morning.
I took the Bear schedule and I said, I'm going
to be optimistic. I'll give you a split. I'll give
you a split, which they never do. They were one
in five in division last year. I'll give you a
split with Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit. I'm going to give
you the go either way games like the Giants at home,
Steelers at home. I'm going to give you all those.
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I'm going to give you wins in Las Vegas. I
thought it was incredibly optimistic. I mean, they don't split
their division very often. They mean, they went one in
five last year. They're a home dog to Minnesota in
Week one. And I went through every game and then
I said, I took a bunch of games, like I said, listen,
you're not winning at Baltimore, you're not winning. In San Francisco,
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you're not winning probably in Philadelphia. I had a few
not winning. And I got to nine and eight, and
I thought that was really optimistic. If you look at
that schedule, and that's why you said, yeah, happiness is
connected to expectations. If nine and eight in Caleb Williams,
you got the right coach and the right quarterback. Take
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it now, you look at this schedule. I mean there's
some non winnable games there at Philly, at Baltimore, at
Green Bay, at San Francisco. Those are tough games for
a rookie coach. What do you see when you look
at the Bears.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well, it's indicative of the division in general.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Like last year you had a fifteen win division champion
and a fourteen win wild card. I don't know if
that's going to happen again with the draw the division
got in general, and the Bears obviously are in the
midst of that. And you would think with the strength
of the division just on its own in a vacuum,
with the Vikings and the Lions and the Packers all
coming back as playoff teams, there's a chance that they
cannibalize each other to begin with, which is going to
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I think, I like, look, all four of them aren't
making the playoffs, you know, based on the schedule and
based on the ace in the division. So I think
what's fair to look at for the Bears is are
they ascending At the end of the year. Did the
offensive line come together? They spend a lot of resources
and bringing in Joe Tooney Andrew Dolman and Jonah Jackson.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
How does the defense look like?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
How does the defense look under Dennis Allen obviously that
was his strengthen their Matti Eberflus, and you hit the
biggest one, which is Caleb.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Is Caleb Williams ascending going into too year three?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
If the Bears are at seven wins, eight wins, nine wins,
and Ben Johnson is starting to show signs of being
the mastermind that he was in Detroit, and you're gonna
be able to watch and see some of the schematic
stuff they're doing.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Is that stuff starting to show up? And is Caleb
getting the ball out on time?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
And is he putting the Superman cape on when he
needs to put the Superman.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Cape on and not at other times? Right?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
You start to see a combination of those things at
the end of the year, and I think you can
be really happy with the season. I don't view the
Bears as the sort of team that like where it's like, okay, well,
if they don't make the playoffs, then we need to
take a really hard look at things.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
But like, based on the makeup of their.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Roster and where they've invested, I do look at it
like that should be a team that's ascending at the
end of the year.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Albert Breer twenty three camps as good as anybody that
does this. Good see anybody?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
All right? Thanks Colin, you bet.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Great stuff, great information today. Have you watched John? Have
you watched that?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'm getting a peak of that Cowboys thing. I need
to fire it up? Is that tonight?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It well, it's a you know, it's one of those
streaming ventures, so you can you can go back and
watch it if you don't watch it the night. It
comes out very interesting. Jerry gets very emotional, he's a
very you know. He says he likes the pain, which
I don't. I'll be honest, I don't love pain. I
have very little pain tolerance. Totally agree. Yeah, I mean
(25:53):
I've called in sick because I Jay walked the day before.
Like I'll just you know, not show. So, uh, it's interesting.
It is a it is Jerry likes being on camera
and Jerry likes the pain and he has created lots
of it in recent years. Fun stuff to think about.
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Speaker 1 (26:48):
There's a lot of stuff going on. I thought Albert
Breer I had a lot of things out there. Heard
hierarchy today. We may bring that back a little bit.
Final hour of the show. Mark san just stopping by today.
John Middlecoff with the news Now. Colin is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
There was a fight at Titans camp yesterday and it's
stemmed from a cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
He'd be the quarterback a touchdown throw.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Afterward threw the touchdown, he celebrated in the face of
Jeffrey Simmons. Oh, with Simmons retaliating and pushing awards Facebook
or face masks. The offensive line jumped in to defend
their quarterback in a scuffle broke out dB Jarvis Brownlee
broke down how the quarterback reacted.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
You get that same out of too, that same comfort,
that same edge each and every day out of those
two gods. You know, they never changed. So you know
that's what you expect. But you went when it does
happen without quotebit, you know, we try to break it
up as soon as possibly, fix it as soon as possible.
But for me, I feel like it's a great thing.
You know, when you've got great teams. Man brought this fight.
(27:59):
You know you never went to a quarterback in the
middle of it, Ohays type of tennis. But when the
do happens, you know, it just shows you the level
with doll he got him. You know, me gonna take nothing.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
First of all, Jeffrey Simmons is the last guy in
the AFC. Maybe i'd want to pick on, you know
what a mess with Jeffrey Simmons, but and can't. It's
by the way, cam Ward's totally humble and respectful on camera.
But it doesn't bother me that he's kind of feisty
at practice. It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I got a parallel for you remember last year two
years ago, Jaden Daniels at LSU, the defense was terrible
and he carried them to nine wins. I mean they
were not a very good team. Miami last year defense
was atrocious. Cam Ward dominated. I see some similarities with
the two. Not necessarily Jayden's a better runner than Cam,
but kind of a gunslinger, really good quarterback.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I kind of like Titans.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I mean, their team last year offensively but specifically a
quarterback could not have been worse. I mean, Will Levis
was an all time disaster. Their head coach is an
offensive guy, Brian Callahan, his dad's there with him. Widely
considered one of the best offensive line coaches. They have
pieces on defense. If Cam wored, obviously he's probably not
gonna be Jade Daniels as a rookie, but if he
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can just be pretty good, who's to say they can't
win seven eight games after being the team that just
drafted number one overall.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I mean, most people are picking Houston to win the division,
and I trust CJ. Stroud and tomko Ryans, but you
know that organization took a step back last year, so
I that division to me, there's a wild card spot
there for the taking. I totally.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I think Houston's the biggest divisional lock in the league.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You can get into like plus one to ten.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Love that.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I do think the second place the Colts. I mean
they just chose Daniel Jones. We know the Jags. You
can never trust them. Titans, just keep an eye on them.
Another guy to keep an eye on Trey Hendrickson. He's
still in the middle of this hold in thing with
the Bengals, and there doesn't look to be an end
in sight. According to Schefter, the two sides have an
agreement for the durration of the deal and the average
per year on the deal, but they are nowhere close
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to what many consider the most important thing when it
comes to these NFL deals, guaranteed money. Do you believe
the Bengals need Trey Hendrickson to be contenders?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Count?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Oh I. In terms of value, he's the most valuable
defensive player in the league. Not saying the best always
really good. He's the most valuable this this defense, I mean,
last night it's atrocious. Washington had huge runs.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Can I give you a stat Trey Hendrickson, he accounted
for the largest percentage of sacks for any team almost
fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It was forty eight point six.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
The next closest in the NFL was Miles Garrett, who's
going to the Hall of Fame at thirty four percent.
So there's a fourteen percentage difference from one to two.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
That's insane.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
This guy accounted for fifty percent of the sacks.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
The team on defense won their personnel.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
You know, to me, you can outscheme people offensively defensively,
you need a combination of them both, Right, Nick Saban's
known as a genius, so as Belichick, Lawrence Taylor, Vray Bowl,
all the guys in Alabama over the years.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Like, you can't just outthink everyone on defense. You need
the players, and obviously they need Trey Andrewson. Yeah, totally agree.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Last, but not least arch Manning. The hype couldn't be
any stronger. Obviously, it's gonna be the most anticipated game
coming up against Texas on Fox.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Number one, verse number three.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
The hype is at an all time high, and a
couple of days ago, former LSU coach Ed Oseron made
a visit to Texas him as soccer boys, and he
said he's as close or maybe as good as Joe
Burrow as I've seen, and I've never said that about anybody,
comparing Arch to Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Can Arch Manning live up to the hype, Colin, although
I don't think you can live up to the hype.
First of all of all the Mannings, he's the most athletic,
he runs the best. His arm strength from what I've seen,
not an issue. And what blew me away in a
world of the transfer portal and the nil let's just
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talk transfer portal where everybody transfers marginal talents transfer. He
was the best quarterback Texas had last year, not a peep.
He could have easily gone to anywhere, Iowa, Louisville, anywhere.
He could have gone to big programs and started.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I'll just sit here a steward. I'll be you know,
Texas football above me. I can't say this enough. When
you're not getting your way in life is when the
truth comes out about who you are. If you're a
dad and your son loses a game because of a
bad umpiring call, how you react as who you are?
(32:46):
They always say alcohol's truth serum, losing is truth serum.
Everybody's in a good mood when their kid wins, and
when you win, Arch Manning is a more talented quarterback
than Quinn yours. I don't think it's going to be close.
And he just sat there as a backup, and that's like,
that is all I need to know about the maturity
needed because he's going to go to a bad team.
He's going to go to the Saints or Cleveland, and
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we've seen guys who aren't mature enough in those situations unravel.
This kid's got it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
To me.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
The intangibles clearly are not going to be the question.
But on the field in the sec you know, to
be the number one overall pick comparing to Joe Burrow,
who had a historic season. We've seen other guys, you know,
Baker Mayfield, Cam War, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams. They put
up big, big numbers in college. So it's going to
be interesting. The pressure is on at this program. I
mean a lot of people are picking Texas rightfully so
(33:33):
to win the national championship.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
You know, I'll tell you another quarterback that's fastened, Niko
Iamaliav at UCLA. So he didn't you know his dad.
As I've said, quarterback dads become pageant mom. Their heart's
in the right place. But sometimes they get in the way.
I was looking two days over the weekend. I was
looking at quarterbacks in college. The wild card is that kid,
because I watched them last year at Tennessee. Now he
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did the opposite of Oars Manning. I'm not getting my way.
I'm out could have been Dad, but okay, so I
don't love that at all. And he went to a
program with less town around him. But the two quarterbacks
in college, I can't wait to watch everything Arch Manning
and Nico Iamaliava of UCLA. Keep your eye on that
kid because we all kind of dissed him when he
did that, and he did the opposite of what I
(34:18):
think you should do as a as a bat signal
to nflgms. But that kid's also fascinating to me.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
But you talked about it earlier on the show with expectations.
The expectations for Arch couldn't be any higher. And for
the first time in a couple of years, Nico kind
of gets.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
The fly under the radar he does. I mean, he's
in the second biggest football program in his own town
in La John Middlecoff with the news, Well, that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by. The herd Line News. How
about that. Albert Breer came out and said, when I
was at the Bears camp, Caleb Williams was awful, and
(34:53):
I think that's part of it. That's the growing pains.
Caleb's an ad lib a freelancer. I think his comp
having watched him now, is Brett Farv. He is he
is sometimes at his best in chaos, like literally at
his best, but you can't live that way in the NFL,
and that's what costs. For so many times in big
games he would just add lib his way out of
a win. Remember that in Minnesota when he threw across
(35:14):
his You're like, oh, bro, cost of a super Bowl?
Cost a super Bowl. So I think that's his compy.
He may not be his talented as far, but I
thought it was interesting. Albert's like, yeah, I was there
for a practice, and I think you're gonna get a
lot of that with Caleb. I think you're gonna get
a lot of play like that. He's gonna have really
good Sundays, and even in his good games, he's gonna
have really bad plays like Joe Burrow had one last night.
You don't get that much from Burrow, but here, here,
(35:35):
was Breer. I thought he was brutally honest on the
on the day he was at the Bears camp.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I think what you saw was a Caleb Williams we
really haven't seen, maybe even going back to college, where
he's playing fast, he's playing on time, the ball is out,
the plays are are run in a fashion where everything
looks coherent. They know he can put on the cape
and be Superman. The idea is like, how do you
balance that? Was running an actual NFL offense.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, we'll see. He also said again he NFL, they're
just the NFL. Really, And I said this yesterday. It's
like being the head of Paramount Pictures. You know, you
don't want bombs. It's okay to dirt a screenplay. It
is okay to throw the ball out of bounds. You
do not want negative plays. And these run around guys.
(36:24):
Lamar was so fast, he didn't have a ton of them,
But these run around guys that have lived in high
school and college on just making stuff up. With a
broken plane, it turns to a net positive. It doesn't
work that way in the NFL, Johnny Manziel, it just
doesn't work that way. So I just can't wait to
watch it. Caleb Williams, Year two, Ben Johnson open it
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Speaker 1 (37:23):
So Yeah, I used to My wife used to make
fun of me. We'd go out to eat dinner and
I would always order chicken parm and She's like, well,
I can make that at home, and I'm like, yeah,
I wish you would. I love chicken parm. And she
was more experimental with what you know, she's the artist,
the creative, and she would just order a bunch of
stuff and half the time she's like, I like what
I ordered. And I've never gone to a restaurant and
(37:44):
said I don't like what I've ordered. I like my steak.
I like my chicken palm. I like what I know,
even if it's flawed or not, you know, exciting. I
just watched the Billy Joeldoc. I may watch it again today.
I like Bill Joe. I like him a lot. I
listen to his songs all the time on YouTube. Rolling
Stones still tour. Ozzy Osbourne performed up until the end.
(38:08):
Even though Biden and Trump may be flawed, people like
what they know. They don't like that new guy in
New York. A lot of people are whoh socialists. I
don't know what he is, but people people, and I
understand this. I like comfort food there. I'm a non traditionalist.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
But when the.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
NBA schedule came out, it's a bunch of Lebron games
and a bunch of Staph games, and I get it.
Those are the great memory International guys. You didn't watch
them in college. They don't have big personalities, and a
lot of the young players they're all through the league now.
You can't have two or three stars together. The last
runner we had at that was the Heatles maybe or
you know Katie to the Warriors. Those days are gone.
(38:46):
I mean Phoenix tried to do it, but they were
all a little bit too old. So the NBA came
out with their schedule and a team I think is
gonna be great, the Orlando Magic. I mean they got
they only have fourteen games on television. That's significantly less
than half of the brawn of the Warriors. But I
understand it. The grateful Dead, whatever's left of them, they're
still touring. The Stones are still touring, and there's a
(39:08):
reason for it. People want to go. They want to
go in maybe a flawed band. They can't hit the
high notes, but you know what you're getting when Steph
and Lebron play, you know what you're getting. And I
look at this schedule and Adam Silver just signed a
seventy six billion dollar, eleven year deal. You can criticize them,
(39:30):
but the league's never had more skill. Everybody can shoot
and dribble. They just got a massive TV deal. You know, Politically,
sometimes people think they're you know, they don't land right
for all of America. Whatever they got the bag, they
don't care. It's up the networks now to make money
on the broadcasting. But when I watch the Lakers and
Warriors games, like, I don't think the Warriors have a
chance to win the title. I think the Lakers are
(39:52):
a real long shot. I don't think they have the
size to win a title. But I mean, I get
putting the Knicks at thirty four games, and I they'll
outrate My guess is they'll outrate the much better team,
the Oklahoma City Thunder. I'm surprised the Wolves with Ant
probably got so many games, but I mean the Rockets, KD, Lakers,
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Lebron Warriors, staff, Nicks, belovable Jalen Brunson. I think if
Jason Tatum was back, the Celtics would have more. But
I mean I credit I credit the NBA for putting
that many Nugget Nuggets games on. They have twenty six
National Nuggets games. I love watching the Nuggets, but I
understand that Jokic doesn't move the needle. I think he's
(40:32):
the most gifted, multi dimensional center of my lifetime. I mean,
I I covered our Vitas Sabonis. He wasn't in his prime.
Jokicic is like our Venus Sabonis plus a grade and
a half. And Sabonis was unbelievably gifted. But I probably
have a few more Maverick games in there, to be
honest with you, But again, they don't have a Cooper
(40:53):
Flag to me, is going to work immediately. Like I
think Cooper Flag is going to get a number immediately.
That's that. When's the last time we had amestic product,
A Duke Carolina guy you could not wait to watch
as a rookie. I mean, honestly, not many. So I
think Dallas is undervalued. I think Dallas is my dark
horse team to get to the NBA Finals. Man. I
(41:14):
wish Tyrese Haliburton was healthy because I think Indiana is
just a blast to watch. But I am okay with
you know. We like what we like, man, we like
what we like. You'd think there'd be Lebron fatigue. But
if he plays Steph on a Christmas Day or a
big get it, it'll get a huge number. Mark Schleret,
not Mark Sanchez, My bad. Mark Schlereth is going to
(41:38):
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a Tuesday. We got a lot of stuff percolating. Albert
Breer is gonna be around the corner. John Middletoff is
joining us for the rest of the week. Jamtkins next week.
He's been on vak SO a lot of things moving.
The Trey Hendrickson thing, apparently they're miles apart in Cincinnati.
(00:44):
The JJ McCarthy stuff still fascinating. Joe Burrow's playing three
series last night. Caleb Williams, So, John, I figured today
because I kind of feel like we've got coaching changes,
free agency, draft development, OTA's training camp, preseason. I kind
of feel like I know whether I'm right or not.
(01:05):
I kind of feel like I know what I believe
as of today. So I'm going to give you kind
of this is my final Herd hierarchy before we get
into that season, which is the first Thursday after Labor Day. Here,
in my opinion, are the top ten teams headed into
this NFL season heard hierarchy. No, No, the top ten
(01:28):
NFL teams according to college Number ten. Detroit lost both
coordinators who were excellent, lost a couple of their best
offensive linemen on the interior. That's an issue. That's why
they addressed it in this draft. They've already had injuries
in this preseason, and so I have They're the fourth
NFL team to lose both coordinators in the last twenty
(01:51):
five years. It's hard go ass Philadelphia, and especially when
they're elite coordinators that get head coaching jobs. So the
division's better lost their coordinators. I have Detroit at number ten.
Number nine, green Bay very quiet camp. Now, Jordan Love
struggled in the division last year. It was one in five,
(02:11):
only beat the Bears barely, so that's a little concerning.
But they upgraded their receiving corps. You know, they've They've
added some nice pieces, not necessarily game changers, although they
improve the interior of their offensive line. And I just
think they've had a quiet camp. I'm not worried about
the Jordan Love left hand injury at all. I think
(02:34):
this is a well run operation. I like teams that
are quiet in July and August. They have been. I
have them at nine, number eight the Rams. This is
I would have them much higher. I'd have them two
or three. But the Matt Stafford injury is concerning. No
team played more rookies than the Rams last year, which
you'd think is a bad thing, but they were also
(02:55):
the least penalized team in the league. They have a smart, young,
hyper aggressive defense that will be the key to their team,
not Matt Stafford, but you got to have Stafford on
the field. They're not particularly strong at backup. The division
solid Rams at number eight, number seven the Commanders. I
may have them higher. I don't like the Terry McLaurin vibe.
(03:15):
I think you have to give young quarterbacks dependable weapons.
Their offensive line is still okay. DBO will help, but
I think I think the Giants could be a tough,
mediocre team. Philadelphia is not going backwards, so I think
there's some tough games on the schedule back to back
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playoff teams from last year to no that's Green Bay.
I think Washington overall is going to be good. I
do not think they'll end up in the NFC Championship,
so they may take a step back and how they finish,
but I still think they'll be a very viable, fun
team to watch in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Team.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Number six Seattle back to back to back drafts that
I like. They are going to rely on that run game.
They upgraded their offensive line, their defense will be in
the second year under Mike McDonald. The early schedule is
pretty easy for sam Donold, who I do believe is
a better version of Geno Smith. He's a better athlete,
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can be a bit reckless, but he's a West Coast kid.
I think he's comfortable. I think they upgraded an offensive coordinator.
So I just think this is a team if Jackson
Smith and Jacoba can become a number one ride receiver.
I like their becks, I like their O line, I
like their secondary. There's not a lot about Seattle I
don't like. And if Stafford, by the way, did not
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play much this year, I already have them winning the division.
That could be two wins. Number five Kansas City. Listen,
in the last two seasons, they've been number fifteen in
scoring offense, all right, so they're getting old tight end
Chris Jones is not getting younger. I really like the
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hierarchy of the franchise. They're not going to go eleven
to zero one score games. The division's tougher. God if
they could go, if they could go eight and four
in one score games, you'd feel great about it. But
I think they're built for the postseason. Great coaching, great quarterback,
old weapon. But I think they'll get dinged up in
the regular season. I have Kansas City. They're still waiting
(05:18):
on that Rashid Rice Dues on the suspension. That doesn't
help because I thought he developed into a volume number
one wide receiver, maybe a lower tier one, but a one.
I have him at five, number four. Broncos. Listen, they
didn't just add players, They added elite players. Drake Greenlaw,
Evan Ingram who fun get safety. Last year's defense was
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good and aggressive. Why would it go backwards? So again,
bo Nicks in a second year. The old line is
rated number two according to PFF in preseason. So last
year caught us by surprise. This year, all their good
young players are a year older. In the system of
Sean Payton, I have Denver at number four, number three,
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Baltimore and they're gonna win seventy five percent of their
games with Lamar Jackson, number one total offense last season,
top ten scoring defense. They do everything well, I mean
they really do. They can throw it, they can run it,
special teams, defense, culture. I think it's probably the best
run organization along with Kansas City in the National Football League,
maybe Philadelphia. But what don't they do well? Well? They
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don't win a lot of playoff games, Okay, Josh Allen,
Patrick Mahomes, now, Sean Payton and Harball. It's hard in
the AFC. I have Baltimore at three, number two, but
I think the world's best football player is Josh Allen.
I'll put Buffalo at two. Also, Buffalo in their division,
should go two to zero against Miami in two and
oh against the Jets, and should be a much better
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team overall than New England. I think they come in
with a better seed. James Cook is wrapped up. I
think he's a really, really good running back. I don't
know if John and I have talked about this. James
Cook quietly has become a really nice running back in
a weapon. I think they've drafted well. I don't think
their rosters overall as good as Baltimore. I don't think
it's overall as good as Philadelphia, but I think their
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quarterback is able to do things to extend plays and
elevate teammates that nobody else in the sport can do.
I have Buffalo at two number one. Listen. Not only
was their defense number one last year, I looked it
up this morning. It was the youngest defense in the
league and the cheapest, so they knew everything right. I
don't think they're as good at quarterback. I think when
you can force Philadelphia to play from behind and you
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can force them to throw, they're not as dangerous as
a Buffalo is forced to throw or a Kansas City is.
But again, it's they do everything well. They GM well,
they quarterback well, their line plays incredible. Saquon Barkley has
just been jet fuel to an uber talented roster. So
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there is my herd hierarchy a couple of teams. Where
are the Chargers. I think the Rashawn Slater injury is
a real problem. They are a Joe allt wish to
ankle from being in real trouble up front, and I
still don't trust their receiving corps outside of labmconkie. So
I have them at eleven, Bengals at twelve. With that,
(08:10):
Albert Breer joins us, and he is joining us a lot.
Let's let's touch on the Matt Stafford things. So Matt
Hasselbeck said, listen, when you get old, the back injuries
are a problem, you can overcome a lot. This thing
looks I mean, I know the Rams do a good
job like the Patriots did to hide bad news. Like
(08:30):
what's the feel around the league on Stafford and the Rams.
Is it worse than they're letting on?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Well, I think there's like some teams that are looking
at the Rams now with a little bit of an
arshty brow based on all the things that you just said.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
As for the Rams themselves, the vibe I've.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Gotten is that, like whether it was eighty eighty five,
ninety percent, like during training camp, like they just weren't
gonna push him out there until he was one hundred percent,
and they felt like, because of all the damage he's
taken over the court of his career, that there are
only so many bullets left in the gun. They also
felt like having Jimmy Garoppolo on the roster gave them
a good amount of flexibility in that they could go
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and run their offense and practice without a hitch.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
While again saving.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Those bullets that Matthew Stafford only has a limited amount of.
So that's the approach that they've taken, like they felt
like the last couple of weeks. If we have a
game tomorrow, he's playing, but it's not worth, you know,
it's not worth putting those miles on his body at
this stage of training camp, at this stage of the summer. Yeah,
And so I think they go forward now and ramping
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Matthew Stafford up for the season. Obviously, the stepback a
week ago wasn't great news, and it should have everybody's
radar up. But Matthew's been through this before. He had
the elbow, he had the risk. Those were very troublesome
injuries for a quarterback. This is a troublesome injury for
any older player, and you just see if you can
manage it over the course of the year.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So John Middelkoff said by naming Daniel Jones the starter,
and Shane Steikin said, it's not a sh or term move.
It's kind of like he's surrendered on Anthony Richardson like,
we gave it a run. Yeah, I mean that's what
it feels like to me. What is your take on
the move? It doesn't sound like it's just week one
and two. It's like the decision by the franchise.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Well, I think if they were going to build that
in Colin, what would have made more sense is you
go to Anthony Richardson knowing you can go to Daniel Jones, right,
Like if you go with Daniel Jones from the start,
I think it's much harder to go back to Anthony
Richardson based on all of the history there. And look,
I think that one play, the play that he got
hurt on nobody wanted to see the result that the
Colts got right, But that one play was sort of
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a microscrosm of the problem with Anthony Richardson in that,
like the awareness, the.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Ability to run the offense at a high level, it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Just hasn't been there with Anthony Richardson to the level
where Shane Stiken wants it. And on that particular play,
he should have been able to recognize what was in
front of him. He should have been able to recognize
he was hot. He should have gotten the ball out
to the flat, and he did none of that, and
he exposed himself to injury. He exposed his team to
a loss of yardage, a loss of down, and that's
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the stuff that they've been trying to eliminate the entire offseason.
It's actually interesting if you look at the Colts last year,
right they were twenty ninth in total defense, and they
were thirtieth in giveaways. And they felt like if they
could clean those two things up, because they won eight
games despite all of that, they can have a playoff
team this year. So they bring in Loui Anroumo to
change the face of the defense. They spend on defense,
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they went out and got Tarvarius Ward and cam Bine
them to help their.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Secondary, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
And then on offense, the idea is, we got to
be way more better at taking way better at taking
care of the ball than we were in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And so I think they feel.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Like Daniel Jones, his ability to operate the offense, his
ability to protect the ball was just at a higher
level right now than Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And there are jobs on the line there this year.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
So they felt like for the team they have right now,
Daniel Jones was the better answer.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So, and you've been to twenty three training camps? What
was so? And I assume the Bears were one of
the Was the Bears one of those camps?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Okay, yep, the Bears were one of them.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It's so interesting you probably went from quiet, pensive Green
Bay a circus and by a forty minute train ride.
What was the Bears camp?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Like, I think there's a lot of I would say,
she's a lot of curiosity about where.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Ben Johnson was going to have that offense.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And I think for a lot of people coming in,
if you didn't know what Ben Johnson playing was, you
would look at it and be like, holy crap, like
this does not look the way that it's supposed to look.
And to be fair, like the day I was there,
Caleb Williams looked terrible.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
There's no better, there's no sugarcoating it.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I mean the first fall he threw was a throwaway
that landed five yards in bounds.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
A couple of plays after that, he threw it out
to the flat Noah and was home.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
So then you ask around about you know, what they're
plan is and what they're trying to accomplish and what
Ben Johnson and his staff were trying to do with
Caleb was let's feed him through a fire hose in
the spring and an early in training camp, and let's
see what he can handle, and let's see what he's
good at, and let's see what he's not good at.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And let's see how he learns.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Let's see how he takes those early lumps and is
able to compartmentalize them. And then over the course of camp,
the hope was that they would get a more resilient
player who's playing faster, and as coaches, they would get
a better idea of what he was best at, so
they could build an offense based on that.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And I think you saw the result of some of
that on Sunday night.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Now, look, Buffalo wasn't doing a lot defensively.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They had their backups out there, so it has to
be tempered.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
But I think what you saw was a Caleb Williams
we really haven't seen, maybe even going back to college,
where he's playing fast, he's playing on time, the ball
is out, the plays are run in a fashion where
everything looks coherent. They know he can put on the
cape and be Superman. The idea is like, how do
you balance that was running an actual NFL offense, and
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it's a process getting a player like Caleb there. And
I think the evidence we saw, especially with some of
those stores, to the tight ends to Loveland and to
Comet down the seam, I think would indicate that Caleb's
playing a lot faster than he was last year.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So I think sometimes you go into a season and
you know you're not a super Bowl team, but you
have to figure things out before next year's free agency,
the trading deadline, in the draft. So I have argued
you can start Russell Wilson, but I want to know
by Thanksgiving can Jackson Dart handle cold weather? Can he
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go on the road and win? He had three years
a Lane Kiffin, so don't tell me he's not ready
to play three years a Lane Kiffin in a camp
with Brian Dable. That's hard coaching. I would play Jackson
Dart pretty early. From what you've been around the Giants.
Is quarterback one set in stone? Because next year's draft,
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I mean you start looking at it. Yeah, it is.
I did last night. They are like four quarterbacks that
could go top ten twelve picks.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Nusmire all are sellers.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, potentially yeah, you know, so what is the kind
of quiet covert game Planet quarterback from New York.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So Jackson Dark has checked every box and everything that
they thought they would have with him has come to fruition,
and so everything they put in front of him he's handled.
He's also shown a certain presence in Moxie for the
position that you hear about, but you don't really know
un till you have.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Him in the building. And they had a lot of
close connections.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
To Old miss right, like the offensive coordinator at Old
Missus Charlie Weiss Junior And who's Brian dave Balls mentor
is Charlie Weiss senior?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So Joe Judges on that staff.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Obviously still a lot of people in in the Giants
Bilding still no are no Joe Judge, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So there's a lot of connections there that part of
it's checked out as well.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
So I think what we're seeing here in the preseason
as a manifestation of what they're seeing in camp, which
I don't think changes their Week one plan, but I
think it does mean the leash is a little shorter
on Russell Wilson. In other words, it was do we
regshare to him? Is he ready to play now? It
looks a little more ready to play if we're ozhering three.
If we're one and four, do we start to look
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at our options? I think that's where you put yourself
right now. If Russell Wilson goes out wins games and
plays great, and they win eleven or twelve games this
year and gets the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Then maybe you don't see Jackson dart.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I just think there's going to be a little less
patience if the Giants stubbed their toe now because of
what they know, because of what they have in the bullpen.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So Joe Burrell said yesterday, Listen, we tend to sign
our guys right before the season. Once again, Burrow being
reasonably honest, which I appreciate. Is there a team lurking
out there that you wouldn't be surprised if we don't
hear in ten days we have a major deal and
the Bengals get four picks for trade us. I mean
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that's the kind of thing where Cincinnati would go, oh, good,
inexpensive players draft. I mean, their defense is atrocious without Hendrickson.
But is there a team that you'd think is kind
of Sniffin' a little bit and I mean, I almost
look at Philadelphia, but I don't think they need it.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Is there a team out there, I'd be surprised. And
I say that with all due respect to Trey Hendrickson
as a player.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And I think this becoming news over the last few
days is probably a little bit of an acknowledgment of
that from the player's side in wanting to try to
provoke something to happen here, some sort of offer to
come across here. I think the amount that Cincinnati is
asking for in addition to the contract is part of
the problem. Right, it's a pick, it's a really good
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defensive player, and then of course you've got to give
him the contract. And here's the thing, Colin, if I'm
another team, right like, let's say I'm a contending team,
because you would assume only contending teams are going to
bring in a player of this age. If I'm a
contending team and Cincinnati asked me for a premium draft pick,
which is going to be a young player and your
roster next year, and a really useful defensive player this year,
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so now you're taking that player out of your defense
and adding Trey Hendrickson, and now you're paying a guy
who's thirty one years old, whatever it is, thirty five,
thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty nine million dollars
a year, is that worth that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Like?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Is it so?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
In other words, if it is, hendrickson't going to be
that much better than the player you're taking out of
the equation to take on the contract in the age.
And I just think it's really hard to thread that
needle when you're talking about finding a trade partner here,
and the Bengals view themselves as a very real contender
and rightfully so, and so you know they're looking at
it as well, like the picks are nice, but the
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picks aren't going to help us this year. We need
something that's going to help us this year. So I
don't know how much they're going to move off the
idea that they want a really good veteran defensive player
out of this too. So I just it's hard for
me to see where all those pieces come together.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Well, I don't have have the camps you went to
in front of me, but I know that Cleveland sounds
like you went there because you could sneak a day
over in Columbus and shot it te I bet you
did you know Columbus is right around the corner. You
yet a little sneak peek at you're Alma mater. So
I mean, listen, I'm not watching film. Uh, Flacco is
my starter. I'd move Kenny Pickett. I've said this for months,
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and then let the two guys stay on the roster.
It's getting this. It's starting to feel like Tebow like
like it's getting into the you know, and I've said this,
Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback. Nobody in this league
wants it. People will deal with a young celebrity star
quarterback if he's you know, if he's really talented. There's
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a story today they may keep all four quarterbacks. Really,
what do you make it?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think I think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, I mean yeah, And you're right calm, like, I
think a big piece of this. And we went over
this with, you know, with Colin Kaepernick, with Tim Tebow,
and and a number of other quarterbacks saw their careers
end a little prematurely. I think like Cam Newton's in
that category. J Cutler's in that category because it was
hard for people to envision them as backup quarterbacks. Coaches
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want their backup quarterbacks to blend in with the furniture,
to be a resource to the starter, you know, so obviously,
like you know, having a fifth round rookie that has
a celebrity, that shoe or has fives in the face
of all of that. I think right now, what Kevin
Stefanski is trying to do is he's trying to serve
the roster that he has.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Right now. Have you looked at the first six games
in their schedule.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Colin, I can look at up. Is it rough?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It looks like it looks like Owen six is staring
you in the face, right like, So you look at
that schedule, and then how are you going to look
guys like Miles Garrett, like Denzel Ward, like Joel Atonio
in the face if you're not giving them the very
best answer you can at the quarterback position, Like you
can't if you're Kevin Stefanski go into the season with
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somebody who's far lesser than the best player on your
roster at the most important position on the field. And
I think that's what Joe Flacco is right now. Joe
Flacco gives them the best answer right now. I think
if you look at the way they set up the
quarterback competition over the course of the summer, they felt
like coming out of the spring, Kenny Pickett was really
the only one who had a chance to challenge him.
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And so you go into the season, you have the
six game stretch with Joe Flacco is your quarterback. You
have to buy a couple of weeks after that, and
so then I think maybe you reassess if things have
gone off the rails, because again, like looking out into
your locker room at the beginning of the year and
giving them a rookie quarterback who the locker room isn't
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quite sure can play.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Instead of Joe Flacco, that's a really tough look for
a coach.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Now, if you get to one and seven, or you're
three and eight, or you're four and.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Nine, that's a different deal altogether.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
At that point, coch like players know the score, but
for the here and the now, the idea is to
give them the best answer to win right now, and
a guy who's going to give them the best chance
to succeed individually and as a team, And very clearly
that's been Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
All right. You know, it's funny we took this morning.
I took the Bear schedule and I said, I'm going
to be optimistic. I'll give you a split. I'll give
you a split, which they never do. They were one
in five in division last year. I'll give you a
split with Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit. I'm going to give
you the go either way games like the Giants at home,
Steelers at home. I'm going to give you all those.
(22:30):
I'm going to give you wins in Las Vegas. I
thought it was incredibly optimistic. I mean, they don't split
their division very often. They mean, they went one in
five last year. They're a home dog to Minnesota in
Week one. And I went through every game and then
I said, I took a bunch of games, like I said, listen,
you're not winning at Baltimore, you're not winning. In San Francisco,
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you're not winning probably in Philadelphia. I had a few
not winning. And I got to nine and eight, and
I thought that was really optimistic. If you look at
that schedule, and that's why you said, yeah, happiness is
connected to expectations. If nine and eight in Caleb Williams,
you got the right coach and the right quarterback. Take
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it now, you look at this schedule. I mean there's
some non winnable games there at Philly, at Baltimore, at
Green Bay, at San Francisco. Those are tough games for
a rookie coach. What do you see when you look
at the Bears.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well, it's indicative of the division in general.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Like last year you had a fifteen win division champion
and a fourteen win wild card. I don't know if
that's going to happen again with the draw the division
got in general, and the Bears obviously are in the
midst of that. And you would think with the strength
of the division just on its own in a vacuum,
with the Vikings and the Lions and the Packers all
coming back as playoff teams, there's a chance that they
cannibalize each other to begin with, which is going to
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I think, I like, look, all four of them aren't
making the playoffs, you know, based on the schedule and
based on the ace in the division. So I think
what's fair to look at for the Bears is are
they ascending At the end of the year. Did the
offensive line come together? They spend a lot of resources
and bringing in Joe Tooney Andrew Dolman and Jonah Jackson.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
How does the defense look like?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
How does the defense look under Dennis Allen obviously that
was his strengthen their Matti Eberflus, and you hit the
biggest one, which is Caleb.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Is Caleb Williams ascending going into too year three?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
If the Bears are at seven wins, eight wins, nine wins,
and Ben Johnson is starting to show signs of being
the mastermind that he was in Detroit, and you're gonna
be able to watch and see some of the schematic
stuff they're doing.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Is that stuff starting to show up? And is Caleb
getting the ball out on time?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
And is he putting the Superman cape on when he
needs to put the Superman.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Cape on and not at other times? Right?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
You start to see a combination of those things at
the end of the year, and I think you can
be really happy with the season. I don't view the
Bears as the sort of team that like where it's like, okay, well,
if they don't make the playoffs, then we need to
take a really hard look at things.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
But like, based on the makeup of their.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Roster and where they've invested, I do look at it
like that should be a team that's ascending at the
end of the year.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Albert Breer twenty three camps as good as anybody that
does this. Good see anybody?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
All right? Thanks Colin, you bet.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Great stuff, great information today. Have you watched John? Have
you watched that?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'm getting a peak of that Cowboys thing. I need
to fire it up? Is that tonight?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It well, it's a you know, it's one of those
streaming ventures, so you can you can go back and
watch it if you don't watch it the night. It
comes out very interesting. Jerry gets very emotional, he's a
very you know. He says he likes the pain, which
I don't. I'll be honest, I don't love pain. I
have very little pain tolerance. Totally agree. Yeah, I mean
(25:53):
I've called in sick because I Jay walked the day before.
Like I'll just you know, not show. So, uh, it's interesting.
It is a it is Jerry likes being on camera
and Jerry likes the pain and he has created lots
of it in recent years. Fun stuff to think about.
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Speaker 1 (26:48):
There's a lot of stuff going on. I thought Albert
Breer I had a lot of things out there. Heard
hierarchy today. We may bring that back a little bit.
Final hour of the show. Mark san just stopping by today.
John Middlecoff with the news Now. Colin is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
There was a fight at Titans camp yesterday and it's
stemmed from a cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
He'd be the quarterback a touchdown throw.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Afterward threw the touchdown, he celebrated in the face of
Jeffrey Simmons. Oh, with Simmons retaliating and pushing awards Facebook
or face masks. The offensive line jumped in to defend
their quarterback in a scuffle broke out dB Jarvis Brownlee
broke down how the quarterback reacted.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
You get that same out of too, that same comfort,
that same edge each and every day out of those
two gods. You know, they never changed. So you know
that's what you expect. But you went when it does
happen without quotebit, you know, we try to break it
up as soon as possibly, fix it as soon as possible.
But for me, I feel like it's a great thing.
You know, when you've got great teams. Man brought this fight.
(27:59):
You know you never went to a quarterback in the
middle of it, Ohays type of tennis. But when the
do happens, you know, it just shows you the level
with doll he got him. You know, me gonna take nothing.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
First of all, Jeffrey Simmons is the last guy in
the AFC. Maybe i'd want to pick on, you know
what a mess with Jeffrey Simmons, but and can't. It's
by the way, cam Ward's totally humble and respectful on camera.
But it doesn't bother me that he's kind of feisty
at practice. It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I got a parallel for you remember last year two
years ago, Jaden Daniels at LSU, the defense was terrible
and he carried them to nine wins. I mean they
were not a very good team. Miami last year defense
was atrocious. Cam Ward dominated. I see some similarities with
the two. Not necessarily Jayden's a better runner than Cam,
but kind of a gunslinger, really good quarterback.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I kind of like Titans.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I mean, their team last year offensively but specifically a
quarterback could not have been worse. I mean, Will Levis
was an all time disaster. Their head coach is an
offensive guy, Brian Callahan, his dad's there with him. Widely
considered one of the best offensive line coaches. They have
pieces on defense. If Cam wored, obviously he's probably not
gonna be Jade Daniels as a rookie, but if he
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can just be pretty good, who's to say they can't
win seven eight games after being the team that just
drafted number one overall.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I mean, most people are picking Houston to win the division,
and I trust CJ. Stroud and tomko Ryans, but you
know that organization took a step back last year, so
I that division to me, there's a wild card spot
there for the taking. I totally.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I think Houston's the biggest divisional lock in the league.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You can get into like plus one to ten.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Love that.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I do think the second place the Colts. I mean
they just chose Daniel Jones. We know the Jags. You
can never trust them. Titans, just keep an eye on them.
Another guy to keep an eye on Trey Hendrickson. He's
still in the middle of this hold in thing with
the Bengals, and there doesn't look to be an end
in sight. According to Schefter, the two sides have an
agreement for the durration of the deal and the average
per year on the deal, but they are nowhere close
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to what many consider the most important thing when it
comes to these NFL deals, guaranteed money. Do you believe
the Bengals need Trey Hendrickson to be contenders?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Count?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Oh I. In terms of value, he's the most valuable
defensive player in the league. Not saying the best always
really good. He's the most valuable this this defense, I mean,
last night it's atrocious. Washington had huge runs.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Can I give you a stat Trey Hendrickson, he accounted
for the largest percentage of sacks for any team almost
fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It was forty eight point six.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
The next closest in the NFL was Miles Garrett, who's
going to the Hall of Fame at thirty four percent.
So there's a fourteen percentage difference from one to two.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
That's insane.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
This guy accounted for fifty percent of the sacks.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
The team on defense won their personnel.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
You know, to me, you can outscheme people offensively defensively,
you need a combination of them both, Right, Nick Saban's
known as a genius, so as Belichick, Lawrence Taylor, Vray Bowl,
all the guys in Alabama over the years.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Like, you can't just outthink everyone on defense. You need
the players, and obviously they need Trey Andrewson. Yeah, totally agree.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Last, but not least arch Manning. The hype couldn't be
any stronger. Obviously, it's gonna be the most anticipated game
coming up against Texas on Fox.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Number one, verse number three.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
The hype is at an all time high, and a
couple of days ago, former LSU coach Ed Oseron made
a visit to Texas him as soccer boys, and he
said he's as close or maybe as good as Joe
Burrow as I've seen, and I've never said that about anybody,
comparing Arch to Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Can Arch Manning live up to the hype, Colin, although
I don't think you can live up to the hype.
First of all of all the Mannings, he's the most athletic,
he runs the best. His arm strength from what I've seen,
not an issue. And what blew me away in a
world of the transfer portal and the nil let's just
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talk transfer portal where everybody transfers marginal talents transfer. He
was the best quarterback Texas had last year, not a peep.
He could have easily gone to anywhere, Iowa, Louisville, anywhere.
He could have gone to big programs and started.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I'll just sit here a steward. I'll be you know,
Texas football above me. I can't say this enough. When
you're not getting your way in life is when the
truth comes out about who you are. If you're a
dad and your son loses a game because of a
bad umpiring call, how you react as who you are?
(32:46):
They always say alcohol's truth serum, losing is truth serum.
Everybody's in a good mood when their kid wins, and
when you win, Arch Manning is a more talented quarterback
than Quinn yours. I don't think it's going to be close.
And he just sat there as a backup, and that's like,
that is all I need to know about the maturity
needed because he's going to go to a bad team.
He's going to go to the Saints or Cleveland, and
(33:08):
we've seen guys who aren't mature enough in those situations unravel.
This kid's got it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
To me.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
The intangibles clearly are not going to be the question.
But on the field in the sec you know, to
be the number one overall pick comparing to Joe Burrow,
who had a historic season. We've seen other guys, you know,
Baker Mayfield, Cam War, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams. They put
up big, big numbers in college. So it's going to
be interesting. The pressure is on at this program. I
mean a lot of people are picking Texas rightfully so
(33:33):
to win the national championship.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
You know, I'll tell you another quarterback that's fastened, Niko
Iamaliav at UCLA. So he didn't you know his dad.
As I've said, quarterback dads become pageant mom. Their heart's
in the right place. But sometimes they get in the way.
I was looking two days over the weekend. I was
looking at quarterbacks in college. The wild card is that kid,
because I watched them last year at Tennessee. Now he
(33:57):
did the opposite of Oars Manning. I'm not getting my way.
I'm out could have been Dad, but okay, so I
don't love that at all. And he went to a
program with less town around him. But the two quarterbacks
in college, I can't wait to watch everything Arch Manning
and Nico Iamaliava of UCLA. Keep your eye on that
kid because we all kind of dissed him when he
did that, and he did the opposite of what I
(34:18):
think you should do as a as a bat signal
to nflgms. But that kid's also fascinating to me.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
But you talked about it earlier on the show with expectations.
The expectations for Arch couldn't be any higher. And for
the first time in a couple of years, Nico kind
of gets.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
The fly under the radar he does. I mean, he's
in the second biggest football program in his own town
in La John Middlecoff with the news, Well, that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by. The herd Line News. How
about that. Albert Breer came out and said, when I
was at the Bears camp, Caleb Williams was awful, and
(34:53):
I think that's part of it. That's the growing pains.
Caleb's an ad lib a freelancer. I think his comp
having watched him now, is Brett Farv. He is he
is sometimes at his best in chaos, like literally at
his best, but you can't live that way in the NFL,
and that's what costs. For so many times in big
games he would just add lib his way out of
a win. Remember that in Minnesota when he threw across
(35:14):
his You're like, oh, bro, cost of a super Bowl?
Cost a super Bowl. So I think that's his compy.
He may not be his talented as far, but I
thought it was interesting. Albert's like, yeah, I was there
for a practice, and I think you're gonna get a
lot of that with Caleb. I think you're gonna get
a lot of play like that. He's gonna have really
good Sundays, and even in his good games, he's gonna
have really bad plays like Joe Burrow had one last night.
You don't get that much from Burrow, but here, here,
(35:35):
was Breer. I thought he was brutally honest on the
on the day he was at the Bears camp.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I think what you saw was a Caleb Williams we
really haven't seen, maybe even going back to college, where
he's playing fast, he's playing on time, the ball is out,
the plays are are run in a fashion where everything
looks coherent. They know he can put on the cape
and be Superman. The idea is like, how do you
balance that? Was running an actual NFL offense.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, we'll see. He also said again he NFL, they're
just the NFL. Really, And I said this yesterday. It's
like being the head of Paramount Pictures. You know, you
don't want bombs. It's okay to dirt a screenplay. It
is okay to throw the ball out of bounds. You
do not want negative plays. And these run around guys.
(36:24):
Lamar was so fast, he didn't have a ton of them,
But these run around guys that have lived in high
school and college on just making stuff up. With a
broken plane, it turns to a net positive. It doesn't
work that way in the NFL, Johnny Manziel, it just
doesn't work that way. So I just can't wait to
watch it. Caleb Williams, Year two, Ben Johnson open it
(36:46):
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Speaker 1 (37:23):
So Yeah, I used to My wife used to make
fun of me. We'd go out to eat dinner and
I would always order chicken parm and She's like, well,
I can make that at home, and I'm like, yeah,
I wish you would. I love chicken parm. And she
was more experimental with what you know, she's the artist,
the creative, and she would just order a bunch of
stuff and half the time she's like, I like what
I ordered. And I've never gone to a restaurant and
(37:44):
said I don't like what I've ordered. I like my steak.
I like my chicken palm. I like what I know,
even if it's flawed or not, you know, exciting. I
just watched the Billy Joeldoc. I may watch it again today.
I like Bill Joe. I like him a lot. I
listen to his songs all the time on YouTube. Rolling
Stones still tour. Ozzy Osbourne performed up until the end.
(38:08):
Even though Biden and Trump may be flawed, people like
what they know. They don't like that new guy in
New York. A lot of people are whoh socialists. I
don't know what he is, but people people, and I
understand this. I like comfort food there. I'm a non traditionalist.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
But when the.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
NBA schedule came out, it's a bunch of Lebron games
and a bunch of Staph games, and I get it.
Those are the great memory International guys. You didn't watch
them in college. They don't have big personalities, and a
lot of the young players they're all through the league now.
You can't have two or three stars together. The last
runner we had at that was the Heatles maybe or
you know Katie to the Warriors. Those days are gone.
(38:46):
I mean Phoenix tried to do it, but they were
all a little bit too old. So the NBA came
out with their schedule and a team I think is
gonna be great, the Orlando Magic. I mean they got
they only have fourteen games on television. That's significantly less
than half of the brawn of the Warriors. But I
understand it. The grateful Dead, whatever's left of them, they're
still touring. The Stones are still touring, and there's a
(39:08):
reason for it. People want to go. They want to
go in maybe a flawed band. They can't hit the
high notes, but you know what you're getting when Steph
and Lebron play, you know what you're getting. And I
look at this schedule and Adam Silver just signed a
seventy six billion dollar, eleven year deal. You can criticize them,
(39:30):
but the league's never had more skill. Everybody can shoot
and dribble. They just got a massive TV deal. You know, Politically,
sometimes people think they're you know, they don't land right
for all of America. Whatever they got the bag, they
don't care. It's up the networks now to make money
on the broadcasting. But when I watch the Lakers and
Warriors games, like, I don't think the Warriors have a
chance to win the title. I think the Lakers are
(39:52):
a real long shot. I don't think they have the
size to win a title. But I mean, I get
putting the Knicks at thirty four games, and I they'll
outrate My guess is they'll outrate the much better team,
the Oklahoma City Thunder. I'm surprised the Wolves with Ant
probably got so many games, but I mean the Rockets, KD, Lakers,
(40:12):
Lebron Warriors, staff, Nicks, belovable Jalen Brunson. I think if
Jason Tatum was back, the Celtics would have more. But
I mean I credit I credit the NBA for putting
that many Nugget Nuggets games on. They have twenty six
National Nuggets games. I love watching the Nuggets, but I
understand that Jokic doesn't move the needle. I think he's
(40:32):
the most gifted, multi dimensional center of my lifetime. I mean,
I I covered our Vitas Sabonis. He wasn't in his prime.
Jokicic is like our Venus Sabonis plus a grade and
a half. And Sabonis was unbelievably gifted. But I probably
have a few more Maverick games in there, to be
honest with you, But again, they don't have a Cooper
(40:53):
Flag to me, is going to work immediately. Like I
think Cooper Flag is going to get a number immediately.
That's that. When's the last time we had amestic product,
A Duke Carolina guy you could not wait to watch
as a rookie. I mean, honestly, not many. So I
think Dallas is undervalued. I think Dallas is my dark
horse team to get to the NBA Finals. Man. I
(41:14):
wish Tyrese Haliburton was healthy because I think Indiana is
just a blast to watch. But I am okay with
you know. We like what we like, man, we like
what we like. You'd think there'd be Lebron fatigue. But
if he plays Steph on a Christmas Day or a
big get it, it'll get a huge number. Mark Schleret,
not Mark Sanchez, My bad. Mark Schlereth is going to
(41:38):
be stopping by last hour. Best camp may have been
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