August 20, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin talks about teams who have disadvantages at quarterback and coach
He goes through the Cowboys schedule this season which appears to be a tough road ahead for Dallas
He talks to former NFL QB Carson Palmer but his career, the NFL preseason, what's holding the Bengals back, and more
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two. We are live in Chicago.
It's The Herd. John. I was thinking about this today.
We were talking as a staff, and I said, we
know that Belichick when he lost Brady regressed badly. And
we know Andy Reid is basically unbeatable in a close game.
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He was a good coach in Philadelphia virtually now unbeatable
in the AFC and close games, even against Lamar Jackson
and Justin Herbert and C. J. Stroud and Josh Allen,
Joe Burrows. I'm actuallyunbeatable in close games. Why coaches matter,
but we know quarterbacks matter more. Belichick, Brady, Andy Reid
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mahomes like as great as those coaches are, it's a
seventy to thirty split. And so we did this with
the Bears yesterday, and I want to do it with
the Cowboys. If you ever decided disadvantage going in any
game at head coach or quarterback, it's really really hard
to win. And so I looked at the Cowboys schedule.
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Now I won't count Philadelphia because Jalen Hurts is somewhere
between the eighth and tenth best quarterback and Dak, in
my opinion, is somewhere between eleventh, twelfth, and thirteenth. So
I don't think it's a decided advantage Hurts, who I
like more over Dak. Sirianni don't love him, but I
get him. Schottenheimer don't like it all in terms of
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a head coach of an NFL franchise in twenty twenty five.
So I'll take Philadelphia out. Week four, they face Cowboys.
The Packers decided head coaching disadvantage loss Week seven, Washington
decided quarterback disadvantage loss. Following week week eight, Denver head
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coach disadvantage loss. Week thirteen, Kansas City decided coach and
quarterback disadvantage loss at Detroit, quarterback disadvantage loss. Minnesota head
coach disadvantage loss. Chargers next week, coach quarterback disadvantage loss
at Washington at least quarterback disadvantage loss. That's eight losses
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and Vegas is over underwin total of the Cowboys, sure enough,
it's at seven and a half. I would take the under,
but it's seven and a half. So that doesn't mean
the Raiders almost with a quarterback head coaching disadvantage, almost
beat the Chiefs, and by the way, Arizona clobbered the
Rams last year. But Kyler Murray played a perfect football game.
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I'm not joking. He literally had a perfect quarterback passer rating.
It was his best game arguably as a pro. Marvin
Harrison was uncoverable, Kyler Murray was perfect. And I think
there's a lot of people in the NFL, and I
really believe this that really like Arizona's coach Jonathan Agannon,
I think there's a lot of people. He took them
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from four and thirteen to eight and nine last year,
and they were in a lot of games even though
they were banged up. So that's kind of how I
feel on Dallas is that if you have a quarterback
or head coach clear disadvantage, it's incredibly hard to win
in this league. Now, roster composition matters, ownership, as our
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next guest knows, really matters, and without I bring on
Carson Palmer fifteen years, three time pro bowler, you know
who I was talking about this earlier. I think quarterback's
actually undervalued, and we all know you're the most important position.
And I also think ownership matters, roster composition, head coach.
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But Andy Reid we knew was good. Now he's unbeatable.
Belichick was great, Brady Leaves not as great. The guy
I have defended as Joe Burrow because and you know
this situation. I said this about a week ago on
the show. I said, if you gave Carson Palmer, Howie
Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie, we would talk about Carson like
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we do Peyton Manning. Is that you were in a
situation and you were outspoken. And by the way, in
an era, players weren't Carson, they weren't you were. Do
you look at Burrows sometimes and can you see what
I think I see, which is a he is signaling
to ownership and management. He's getting really frustrated a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I think resigning T Higgins kind of put out a
little bit of that fire that has been starting. But
if you just look at the organization over the last
handful of years, a good job of retaining talent, like
like re signing Jamar, like resigning te You think back
to the year after the Super Bowl, lost the Rams
and they revamped that offensive line. That offensive line was
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was maybe the biggest issue in that Super Bowl game.
They didn't hit on all the all the free agent
acquisitions they made after the Super Bowl, unfortunately, but at
least they were willing to do it and willing to
spend the money. They've showed Joe that they're willing, you know,
to hear him out. And when he says, hey, we
need to keep Tea, we need to keep Chase, you know,
they have done that. So they've showed the support.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I think they're still working through a number of things,
especially on the defensive side of the ball. But defending
Joe Burrow, I'm in the same court. I think he's
one of the top couple guys in the game. If
you know, he can be in positions this year where
he doesn't have to score thirty eight points every week
to win. I think they're a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Do contract disputes like Hendrickson and Micah. As a former
star player, you want to support that player. I mean,
if you draft a guy and get a guy, or
even if you acquire him, I'm for like, if he's
a good human being, resign him. Does it disrupt the team?
Does it disrupt meetings? Does it? Does it? What does
it do to the club?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Now, it's just part of the deal. I don't think
people are surprised. I don't think people get annoyed. I
think the biggest thing with Micah's situation is he hasn't practiced.
He's not physically ready. So, like we're all kind of
saying the same thing, they're eventually going to pay him
right probably right before the start of the season or
maybe in the second week. The problem is, then you
pay a guy top tier money and his body hasn't
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gone through a real training camp and all the preseason
games and the preparation that a guy like Mike Micah
needs to get his body ready to be durable throughout
the season.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So I think that's the biggest issue. In the biggest
distraction is he's.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Protecting his body because he's not under a new contract
and he's not physically ready to play.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
He's going to really.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Start practicing as soon as this contract situation gets filtered.
Out and then he's getting in shape, and then he
building up the protection and the strength he needs to
endure a seventeen week season.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, so I have said in your era, in Eli
Manning's era, I used to say, give a quarterback two
full years, I'll start making harsh judgments. Thanksgiving year three,
the world's changed seven on seven camps, summer camps, personal coaching,
and now I'm like, Thanksgiving year two, I'm gonna make
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a decision. So I'm okay with the cult saying that
Anthony Richards it's not working, like we just don't think
with Shane Steike and it's working. But I do look
at Caleb Williams and I think, Okay, we got the coach, right,
I think, and Caleb's so darn talented. When would you
is it a number of games or is it something
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you see? And the Bears have never gotten quarterback?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Do you just say we're giving this kid three years? Period,
We're giving him three years.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I think the talent and the success he had at
the collegiate level, he deserves three years.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
No doubt.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And this is I mean, you pair him up with
the head coach that's there. Now, you know if he
has an opportunity to be the quarterback. We all saw
that that we thought he was going to be that
first year when he was at SC. I think the
sky's the limit. I mean, there is no better opportunity
for you know, for a head coach and a play
caller for him to play for. I think we'll see
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it by week five, by week six. I wouldn't even
wait all the way till Thanksgiving because there's a resume
of success and a history of success from college on.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I think Anthony Richards in a different situation.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
You know, he was a high risk, you know, high
reward type player because he was so athletically gifted, without
having the resume and success at the collegiate level that
Caleb had. And you think back to that Florida year
that he played, they didn't win a ton of games.
He wasn't ultra you know, successful like Caleb was in college.
And so he was a really high risk, high reward guy.
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And you know, I think what we saw on college
at Florida is the same thing we've seen him do
you know since he's been an Indie.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So as a quarterback, you hear about Caleb's footwork. Here
he holds the ball too long as a quarterback? What
is correctable through coaching? And is there anything that you
found in your career that's not coachable? That's just sort
of innate. It's who you are. You couldn't be coached
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up sideways or down on it. Like, what where is
a coach limited with a quarterback?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Well, I think the footwork and the you know, the
technique of the game is so big and so easily fixable.
It just takes rep after rep after rep after rep.
And so, you know, I think he's got the right coach,
like I was saying, you know, to really really put
the fine touches on his technique and get his fundamentals
where they need to be. But the things you can't
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teach are being able to stand in the pocket when
you're getting a hit in the face and throw the
ball accurately with timing.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
That's the biggest issue you see, guys.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Is when you get the NFL and you're getting hit
play after play after play and you don't always get
to rely on those fundamentals and technique and you have
to stand in the pocket and make a play and
throw with anticipation. Those things you can't teach. Those things
you can't really work on and make much better, but
the fundamentals of the game. I mean that starts in
February as soon as he takes some time off after
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the season, and I'm sure he's been doing that with
the coaching staff there in Chicago this offseason.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So Matt Stafford's got a back issue, which is I
don't care what profession we're talking about, in any labor
intensive work environment, backs for a problem. Are were there
times in your career because you were a quarterback that
you maybe hurt more than you let on, that you
were in more pain, that you are more concerned with
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your body, But because you were Carson, you were the quarterback,
you didn't tell the coaches, you didn't let on. Is
it possible Stafford's being a good soldier here, but he's
got a real issue physically and be just talking to
announce it to the He's just going to play through
it because he's a tough guy. He's been a tough
guy day one in the league.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Absolutely, it's happening in every locker room.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
It's not just the quarterback position, but really with the
quarterback position because everything is scrutinized so greatly. There's definitely
some issues. There's definitely injuries that guys don't you know,
let the media know about that. The team tries to
really limit on the amount of information that is disclosed
about something like a back issue.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But mass resume speaks for itself.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
He's done it, you know, ever since his day's back
playing for the Detroit Lions, where he wouldn't practice maybe
on a Monday or Tuesday and then be ready to
play by the time.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
He got to Sundays.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Now, you know, Matt's got so many reps under his belt,
and he's been doing it for so long, and with
a coach like coach McVeigh who really obviously trusts trusts Matt.
I think he probably goes through most of the season
very rarely practicing, if ever, trying to feel as good
as he can on Sundays. And you know, the backup
quarterbacks there, that's a great opportunity for those guys to develop,
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to see if they're the guys that can replace Stafford eventually.
But Ma's the guy that doesn't need all the reps.
It doesn't need all all the timing things that most
young quarterbacks like Caleb really need.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
On these early practices in the week.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
You know, and I think with mass situation, if you
don't have your back and you don't have your feet,
you got issues in those two areas. It's really hard
to do anything, let alone play NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
So you're coaching at Santa Margarita. They face Mission Vahill
on Friday, which, by the way, Mark Sanchez played there.
So you're dealing with the young browers. Now, yeah, yeah,
you're you're playing. You're coaching now young kids. We have
nil in college, we have the transfer portal. Players have
been empowered. High school players now the great ones are
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getting paid as they're leaving. You know, they're getting recruited.
It's you know, they're they're going to get paid. If
they're five star guys by the time they leave high school,
they'll get paid. People have often said coaches I've talked to,
they worry about will they be as motivation, will they
be able to deal with crisis because they can just transfer.
Take me to the young people. You coach at a
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powerhouse high school with the elite talent. Have kids actually
changed that much?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
No, this game is still pure. I mean it's a
lot for the love of the game. It's not professional yet.
I do see just like we saw a couple of
years ago the college game become professional. I can see
that happening, you know, at the high school level. But
right now it's still pure. I mean, there's still the
transfer portal like situation. You're still going to have some
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kids that come and go and that's all.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
That's part of the game.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You know, in every every conference, every division across across
high school football in this country.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
But it's still pure. It's still love of the game.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
You're playing with you know, you're playing with your boys
on Friday nights. But I do see that changing in
the next handful of years, And wouldn't be surprised if
we saw some nil money start creeping into you know,
sophomores and in high school.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Wow, that is boy. When the sophomore running back drives
a better car than the coach in high school, Carson.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Then scary, that's when it gets scary.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, good luck to you this season. We'll keep our
eye on it. Thanks Carson.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Thanks calling.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, you know it's I remember talking. You know, he
kind of defended this Cincinnati Bengals, but he also defended
Joe Burrow. I remember talking to Tony Gonzalez about this
one time he didn't like at one point in Kansas City,
they brought in a new coach and he didn't like
how he was being you. So he went to Atlanta
and Tony said, you know, I just I wasn't that
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wasn't who I wasn't going to be outspoken and I
and I one of the only criticisms I ever had
of Andrew luck is he always took all the burdens
of the Colts. It was always like, hey, it's on me,
and it's like, no, it's not on you. It's not
on you. The rosters thinks, and so I I am
going to defend the star quarterback when Brady went. I
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think we talked about this yesterday. When Brady went to
Tampa through twelve games with Bruce Arians, they were seven
and five and Brady was at wits end. They had
a bye week and Brady said, we're gonna switch it out,
We're gonna run my offense. They did, They didn't lose again,
they won the Super Bowl. And so, like there's a
lot of times athletes, I mean, like Micah Parsons does
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have a year left on his contract, you don't see
quarterbacks usually want to sit out with a year left
on their contract. I do think you have to play
to the end of your current contract regardless of how
you feel, but I will. But we don't see quarterbacks
be temperamental, do a lot of holdouts, and so I
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think the a fascinating story this year is Joe Burrow.
Almost every great quarterback in league history. Akeman had, Jimmy Johnson,
Montana and Steve Young had very good George and Bill Walsh.
I mean Brady had Belichick, Mahomes has Red I certainly
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think Sean McDermott is a B plus coach with Josh Allen,
Lamar Jackson has John Harball. It is hard to find
Drew Brees has Sean Payton. Almost every great quarterback all time,
Dan Fouts had Don Coriel, Bradshaw had Chuck Noll, Kenny Stabler,
I think for a while had John Madden. I think
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it is hard to find a great quarterback that does
not have an elite coach. I don't know if Zach
Taylor is a great coach, but I know Joe Burrow
is a great quarterback, and I know it's the smallest
personnel department in the league, and I know it's one
of the poorest ownership situations. So I feel like Burrow
is living a very isolated NFL life where he is
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an all time great quarterback and ownership personnel roster. I
like Zach Taylor more than everybody else. I don't know
how John you feel. I like it more than everybody else.
I don't know if he's elite. I mean, Stafford eventually
got Sean McVay. Like you'll find the great quarterbacks in
the sport, they eventually find their kingpin, they eventually find
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their guy, if not first coach, second coach. And I
worry that Burrow is going to spend his entire life
in Cincinnati and never get the guy, the owner, the coach,
the roster, and that Super Bowl trip was the only
one he wasn't paid yet, and from this point forward,
he's just going to be a great quarterback that sometimes
makes the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I think Carson's a great example.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I mean, late in his career he got Bruce Arians
and a really really good Cardinal team. Imagine if he
would have got Bruce Arians at twenty five years old
instead of whatever he was thirty three, thirty four, thirty five,
and obviously it'd already had some injuries. You know, most
times when you get drafted really high in the NFL,
you go to a terrible team, right, and the terrible
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teams typically have bad coaches, bad own ownership, you know
Howie Roseman and Andy Reid and Sean McDermot, the Harball
Brothers typically our draft in one or two.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, it is. Yeah, It's like it's almost like I
don't think this is the perfect comp but compare like
a great quarterback to a great young acting talent, eventually,
the great Christian Bale, eventually Leonardo DiCaprio, whoever it is,
Eventually you find a great director. Tom Cruise figured this out.
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Like Tom Cruise had different directors and different projects, and
finally Tom Cruise is like, you know, I'm going to
do Mission Impossible over and over and over and again,
and I'm I'm going to find a director that I
really work with and I'm going to go back and back.
And then Tom Cruise over the last ten years, maybe
last fifteen, has exploded. There was a time with Tom
Cruise it was hit bad, great, not so great, weird film,
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bad film, good film. Finally he found and again, I think,
if you're just really talented you will find. I mean,
I go go watch the Billy Joel Dalk on HBO,
Like he finally found the management group. He finally found
a rhythm in his career. I was broken like forty
five and he was a huge star. Like, eventually, talent
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will find the right partner. I'm just hoping Burrow eventually
gets the support that Jalen Hurts has. Hey, look at Herbert,
he finally got hardball. The spanles as went. They identified
Herbert as a huge talent. They're like, we have to
pay fifteen million to get the right coach.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
I think the thing though, you know, an actor, I
can choose my directors.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
As an artist, I can choose my manager.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
As a football player, the way the NFL set up,
you don't you're not really hitting free agency like Kevin Durant.
You know, Joe Burrow, the Bengals could never let him go.
They could just let his contract go, franchise him. I mean,
they kind of got him. I mean, and we know
Mike Brown, as Carson Palmer, isn't the most open minded
when it comes to different options for his player. So
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I to say it, I know you've been pushing maybe
Joe Burrow this year gets weird, could ask for a trade.
I think he's stuck in Cincinnati now. Granted he signed
a contract, but if it gets really ugly, he's kind
of stuck there for a minute.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
If Joe Burrow puts up the kind of year he
did last year and does not make the playoffs, you know,
you think he disappeared to Fashion Week last year in Paris,
like he may just say, guys, I'm not going to camps,
like I'm done with this. I just I think it's
a story to watch. It's one thing if you say, hey,
we were in the playoffs for the final week. We
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didn't make it, but you know, but if they don't
sign Hendrickson and they don't make the playoffs and he
has to win shootouts, I really think that is the
That is the inferno, the potential inferno. Outside of the
Cowboys melting down with Schottenheimer and the Mica situation early.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
We would just need Roger to copy Adam Silver like
Luca to the Lakers and get a Burrow to you know,
the Cowboys at the Rams or something like that, and everyone.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Would be happy.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (21:31):
You know, I made a discovery last night. When you
get home late from a flight and you get home
and you're not a big fan of eating on planes,
and you get home and you just you're you're really hungry.
You don't want to eat. It's like nine forty five.
You know it's not healthy, you don't want to eat,
but you're like, I'm gonna look in the fridge. And
my wife had made bolonaise and Ravioli's last night, and
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I was so hungry I didn't even heat it. I
just grabbed a fork, opened it up, and went to town.
And I'm gonna tell you I made a discovery last night.
Bolon AI's warm, hot or cold works. So from this
point forward, if you just don't want to start the
stove up, guys at nine pm, cold Bolonnes last night,
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it might as well been zagger rated. I was like,
it's freezing, it does not matter. It's if it's too hot.
It burns your mouth anyway. You know, they say the
heart of the food the less you can taste it all.
I tasted every ounce of cold Bolones last night. It
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Speaker 6 (22:31):
News, No news, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yesterday the Colts announced that Daniel Jones had won the
team starting job over Anthony Richardson phone the News, Richardson's
agent stopped short of demanding a trade, but instead said,
of the relationship with the front office, we have a
lot to discuss. Trust is a big factor and at
best that is questionable right now.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Meanwhile, Richardson took the high road about the decision.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
No, he made a decision. No, that's the decision. We
got to live. But you know, no hard feelings and
never's personal. I just got to keep growing, you know,
I just can't let me not being a starter, you know,
stop me from growing and being the person the player
now is supposed to be. So I just got to
stay fugued and keep grinding.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I love his attitude. He seemed like a really nice kid.
He's just he just had By the way, bo next
got sixty one college starts, Jade and Daniel got fifty
five college starts. It's like you said earlier, the clock
has changed. We're not giving you three years. So if
you come in with thirteen college starts, you're at a
huge disadvantage and you're immediately on the clock.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
My question is this, It is difficult, especially for young players,
most of them, to just be super outspoken about their
true feelings. Maybe the agent was actually speaking what Anthony
Richardson really can't say to the public. Do you think
this is untenable and he's going to be traded in
the next couple of weeks, or if you're the Colts,
he just keep him around.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Can you do that to your locker room? It's kind
of a bizarre situation.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, did you notice yesterday that the Colts and Shane
stiken made a point And I'm sure Ballard and Stikeen
talked about this when they named Daniel Jones the starter.
They said for the season. They wanted to make it
clear this wasn't a go either way thing. Here's our starter,
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it's for this season. No reason to ask questions. Anthony
Richardson is officially the backup, and I think a lot
of it is Daniel Jones is just more consistently accurate.
He can distribute the ball. But I thought the way
they announced it was very clear is we're kind of
moving on. And that also sends a signal to the league.
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Anybody want to give us a draft pick, We're open
to discussions.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Well, to me, that's why if I'm less need, if
I'm Bret Veach, obviously we have an established starter. We
even feel good about our backups. But this is a
true he's not playing anyway. So if I'm Andy Reid,
I got a little downtime during the week, I'm working
with this guy. Maybe he's an asset in the offseason
I can trade.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
We've seen Sean McVeigh do this with Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
I do have to.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Wonder if some teams a lot of.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
People liked him a lot coming out of college, a
row product, but if you can get him, I don't
know for a fifth round pick. Jerry was nuts when
he traded a fourth for Trey Lance. I don't think
anyone would go near that number, but maybe a conditional fifth,
maybe a sixth. I think a lot of teams would
be very interested about just having a guy they can
work with in practice.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
The pain, Yeah, I will say, remember when he pulled
himself out of a game, that's.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
A tough one. That's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I don't know what to do with that. I think
that's a little bit of a red flag to some player,
some gms in the league.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
It felt like that unofficially ended his Colt's career that moment,
and they've never kind of looked back, speaking of a
career just getting started. The Patriots drafted running back Travon
Henderson out of Ohio State with their second round pick
this offseason, and he's already made a big impact this preseason,
so much so that the friend of the show, Julian Edelman,
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believes he could be the drafts ultimate selection.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
Trevon Henderson's probably steal the draft. I think that's the
kind of guy you need to draft that becomes part
of that nucleus with Drake.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know, that's that's how you build your.
Speaker 10 (26:22):
Team just from hearing you know, coaches speak about him
with his maturity, the way he is as a professional,
that's gonna be really good. If he can go out
and have production, then everyone, you know, everyone's gonna see
how he works, how he is as a person on
and off the field, and it makes the other guys
in the locker room like, man, that's why he's doing this.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah. Generally, to be a great team or an ascending team,
you need to find a gem a George Kittle in
the fifth round, like right, most I mean Travis Kelcey,
most great team Dynasty's Gronk was not an early pick.
Most of the time, when you look at some of
the great teams of all time, they found a steal
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somewhere in the draft. I mean Brady, they didn't have
to pay for five years. Now, this is a second
round player, But if I told you he was the
rookie of the year, would you be shocked with Rabel's
style of coaching.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Well, I mean think of the guy I've Rabel coached
and became a Hall of Fame player in Tennessee. Derrick
Henry second round pick, the second round is often viewed
by gms and personnel people as the best round because
you can get star players Nick Chubb, Deebo, Samuel DK, Metcalf,
you name it.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
The list goes on and on.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Shady McCoy for not first round money, so you get
him on a four year contract making a million or
two dollars, So you get a guy like this at
a really cheap number. And historically running backs that second round,
especially high in the second round, has.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Been a real big sweet spot.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
So this is a game about speed, spreading it out
in This guy, I mean is explosive. Yeah to basketball,
where Luca made some headlines this offseason about completely revamping
his workouts and really just getting skinny. He's shown off
as new physique during the exhibition games ahead of the
euro Basketball Tournament with Slovenia. He put up twenty eight
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and ten against Great Britain. According to one of the
Slovenian teammates, Luca's new physique has allowed him to be
faster in colin to jump more during their games in practices.
So the future looks bright for skinny and in shape
Luka Doncic.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, you know there are statistics that are fascinating to
me and others that don't matter. But I think Luca,
there was a number that he had twenty five dunks
his first year and he had like one last year. Okay,
that's just you've lost your explosiveness. And when you watched
him last year, and you know, I'm sitting in LA
I watched a lot of Laker games. He just didn't
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beat people off to dribble. What made him so great
initially is he could beat you off the dribble and
finish at the rim or do that quirky fallaway that
was all elbows and knees. He became basically that's what
he could largely do. He couldn't beat you consistently off
the dribble. I mean, look at the pictures we're showing now.
He doesn't look like the same person that he is
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in the workout videos in the internet. I mean, look
at he looks like a power for so he and
now will become first two year Luca, which is ball
in his hands, scoring thirty three. Still not a great defender,
but controlling the tempa. I thought last year there were
times he let Lebron take over for rest that he
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was just didn't trust his body can you explain this
to me.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
You're a world traveler. You know the Europeans.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
They're healthier, they walk more, they're just a little skinnier
than us.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yet they're basketball players.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Relative to our American basketball players, I'll struggle with diet
and just kind of their physique early in their career
is just their diet doesn't translate to elite you know, athletics,
professional athletics over here. Because Luka Jokic, no Yokic change.
His body looks like Luca I don't know, mixing a
couple salads. Maybe not as many beers, but that's never
been a knock. Our basketball players might not be as skilled,
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but no one ever goes. You know, that's small forwardies,
he's overweight playing for Duke.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That's not really the way we talk about our guys.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, you know, I always looked at international basketball twenty
years ago. I used to think of European players as soft.
I no longer think that they I always thought of
them as highly skilled. Their academies were about learning skill.
I mean, it's like everybody can shoot. It feels like
all the Biggs can shoot, Wemby can shoot. I think
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they're coachings, underrated and their skill levels remarkable. I've never
looked at physique. I will say this, I absolutely, definitively
believe that European players are tougher and more physical today
than twenty years ago. There was a lot of Tony Koukach,
which is I can score, but I mean Pippa and
MJ are literally going after him physically because they don't
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they don't respect him. Most of your international I mean Jokic,
we'll get into a fight and his brothers are right
behind him. Like Jokic is physical, Yannis is physical, so
and Sga is a skinny guy, but he's banging into
people constantly. So I don't I don't know, but I
do think they've made advances in physicality international.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I've been I've been walking around the streets of La
Colin and everyone tells me this is the face of
the Lakers now, not Lebron So Luca, welcome to Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
This is your team now.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, it is John with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping back the
herd line news.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Mac Brown. He is out of coaching the National Championship
head coach at Texas Carolina. Belichick's taking over that program
I remember when Dion took over Colorado, Colorado with TCU,
and I'm like, I don't even know what I'm gonna get.
I think, in fact, I think I went on the
air and said I'm taking TCU. I think I said that.
I don't remember exactly, but my guess is I took TCU.
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They had, they had some momentums, a program, they had
NFL guys. I'm not supposed to feel this way. That's
how I feel with Belichick. I'm like, I don't even
know what they are and I don't know if it's
gonna translate, if what's the line on that? Like TCU,
I have a weird feeling we're all buying into this thing.
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Could there be a thud? I mean, this quarterback is
kind of a run around guy, not classic Belichick, sit
in the pocket, deliver the ball. I don't even know
there's the line like three or four points. I don't know.
I don't know what I'm gonna get with Belichick against TCU.
Save big and your TCU is is that minus or plus?
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So TCU is favored by three and a half. I
think I take TCU, like I don't know what. At
least I know what I get with TCU.
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Speaker 1 (33:26):
So I was talking to the guys during the break.
It is fascinating to me on what makes Shador Sanders
so popular. Like in Cleveland, it is unbelievably polarizing. There
are camps of people that love him. I understood people
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loving Tim Tebow even though he was unproven because of
his great religious conviction. There was a link with Christianity
and his lifestyle. Just like, Oh, I'd like my daughter
to marry that quarterback. Like I got his appeal. I
got Cam Newton's appeal. I mean, the guy was literally
a defensive end playing quarterback. He was a superstar in college.
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Wildly entertaining that Auburn game against LSU. You're like like
I get popular Baker Mayfield ego wearing it on his chest,
I get popularity for young quarterbacks. Shador's not dynamic to watch.
There's no religious conviction. He's not a flashy quarterback. He
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didn't have a big arm. He didn't run around like Lamar.
He's not, you know, kind of cocky, like a Johnny
Manzell or a Baker Mayfield. He seems like a nice kid,
kind of silly. Well, his dad was famous, folks, Almost
every quarterback in the NFL's dad played college football played
in the NFL. It's just interesting. I understand. I understand
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when go crazy for Reggie Bush, Like when he came
into the NFL, it's like, oh my got Some players
are so dynamic that you just emotionally you fall in
love with players. I love this guy. I love his personality,
I love his confidence. I love what's the shadur thing.
His game's not dynamic, and I think he was underdrafted.
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I like him. I'm rooting for the kid. I don't
think he's serious enough. I think he's kind of silly.
He does not have a big arm. He's not flashy,
he's not wildly athletic. He's not I don't think he's cocky.
I think he lacks him self awareness. I don't think
he's cocky. He's a likable kid. I'm gonna what Arch
Maanning is gonna be a rock star between the name.
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You're gonna watch him play. He's got a big arm,
he moves well. Texas football, I mean, should have played
at Colorado. Even Tebow Tibo played at Florida Urban Meyer
polarizing program. Cam was in the SEC rock Star Shadeur's
popularity is fat. He goes to Carolina.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You gonna play a game Carolina.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Everybody's wearing Shador Sanders Jersey. It's like, I don't know,
you guys are young. I got a couple of young
guys next to me, is a do you have a
Chadur uh uh slash Berry Sanders jersey at home? Do
you do you? Do you? Is there something there? Like
are you wildly fascinated by Shador? You are the celebration stuff?
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I don't know. Like like I will tell you Arch
Manning is going if he's as good as I think
Arch is going to be special the name the game,
Like he's the only Manning that runs, I mean like
he'll run over yet he is. In fact, I would
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say he needs to learn how to slide. He's not
a real slider yet. It's like bro settle down, get
out of bounds, slide his game, especially at a glamorous
program like Texas, Like I get that game. He got rid.
He may he may not show you yet he got
a little riz. But here here's by the way, here
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is arch Manning on his grandfather Archie saying he's gonna
be for sure at Texas the next two years.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I don't know where he got that from.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
He texted me and apologize about that, but I'm really
just taking a day by day right now.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
So the staff just told me Shador has done a
great job of branding. He makes people think something without
having much of a product. Really is that? Is that
the thing is that riz? Does that count his RIZ?
I don't know. I mean, like, okay, I also understand
the popularity of brock Purty. He's an underdog, right, like
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I get the underdog Baker felt he had to transfer.
Baker was a little small. Baker's an underdog. Shadar is
not an underdog. His dad's deon Sanders. And by the way,
we generally don't love you because your dad was famous.
That's I mean, the Manning family is American football royalty.
Like every Manning you're kind of fascinated with because Eli's
went in Super Bowls and Peyton's one of the greats
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all time. Like I'm just fascinated to watch archs Manning
come from that lineage, right, But it's and maybe just
Shadora is standing on business. I don't even really know
what that means, but it just sounds well, it sounds
cringey when I say it. But the point is, can
you explain Middelkoff? What is How is he going on
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the road and selling jerseys? It's Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
I do think an element has a huge factor of
his dad. I mean, his dad's been one of the
most famous athletes in the country for I don't know
thirty five years, huge personality, polarizing. Then coach Right became
a big brand. They started to doing huge television numbers.
Wasn't the Colorado TCU game was on Fox Week one,
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two whatever three years? I remember watching that. That was
a that was a cultural moment. I mean I felt
like everyone I knew watched it.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I mean grew Colorado sold out football games instantly.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Yeah, the irony is the talent. He's not their son,
but he feels like a son is Travis Hunter. That's
the guy most likely not far when the Heisman plays
both ways, but he doesn't. But he's kind of boring.
He actually says nothing. I don't really know that much
about him. Besides, he just seems like a mellow, easygoing guy.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, I know, he is an unbelievable I mean he
could be r O Tommy. He could be a pro
bowler on both sides.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
I also think anytime, you know, one of the most
what really made Aaron Rodgers a household name, it was
slipping in the draft right going twenty four, sitting in
that green room, he's that draft moment as a as
a content creator that.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
That was a big Friday for me. I mean, that
was a big moment for the guy.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
You know what, this is a great point I think
you just hit on. It is that we're rooting for
him because there was a sense he got dogged by
the league, the corporation, the Shield, the NFL. They dogged
him and now he is actually Although it's hard to
say any one of Dion Sanders' kids as an underdog,
there is a sense that he got he got dogged
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by the league, and he is viewed as an underdog.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
I think it would be different if he had just
been whatever the Browns were drafting right two, if they
had just drafted him second overall, Like I mean in February,
NFL people weren't talking like that, but the media was.
If he had just been drafted in the first round,
even if he had gone in the twenties like Jackson Dart,
I do.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Wonder if it'd be a little he went in the
fifth round Colin.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
I mean he started taking people from like Mexico that
had played football for one year, dude from Australia in
the fifth round.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
He has two and a half times the Instagram followers
of Jaden Daniels. I mean, just it is. And he
plays for a bad maybe the worst team in the league.
I think you are right. I think dropping in the
made him an incredibly a populace. Now he is part
of everybody thinks they've been jobbed a little bit in life,
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they've been overlooked. You can relate to that. And he
gets drafted in the first round and doesn't feel like
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two. We are live in Chicago.
It's The Herd. John. I was thinking about this today.
We were talking as a staff, and I said, we
know that Belichick when he lost Brady regressed badly. And
we know Andy Reid is basically unbeatable in a close game.
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He was a good coach in Philadelphia virtually now unbeatable
in the AFC and close games, even against Lamar Jackson
and Justin Herbert and C. J. Stroud and Josh Allen,
Joe Burrows. I'm actuallyunbeatable in close games. Why coaches matter,
but we know quarterbacks matter more. Belichick, Brady, Andy Reid
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mahomes like as great as those coaches are, it's a
seventy to thirty split. And so we did this with
the Bears yesterday, and I want to do it with
the Cowboys. If you ever decided disadvantage going in any
game at head coach or quarterback, it's really really hard
to win. And so I looked at the Cowboys schedule.
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Now I won't count Philadelphia because Jalen Hurts is somewhere
between the eighth and tenth best quarterback and Dak, in
my opinion, is somewhere between eleventh, twelfth, and thirteenth. So
I don't think it's a decided advantage Hurts, who I
like more over Dak. Sirianni don't love him, but I
get him. Schottenheimer don't like it all in terms of
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a head coach of an NFL franchise in twenty twenty five.
So I'll take Philadelphia out. Week four, they face Cowboys.
The Packers decided head coaching disadvantage loss Week seven, Washington
decided quarterback disadvantage loss. Following week week eight, Denver head
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coach disadvantage loss. Week thirteen, Kansas City decided coach and
quarterback disadvantage loss at Detroit, quarterback disadvantage loss. Minnesota head
coach disadvantage loss. Chargers next week, coach quarterback disadvantage loss
at Washington at least quarterback disadvantage loss. That's eight losses
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and Vegas is over underwin total of the Cowboys, sure enough,
it's at seven and a half. I would take the under,
but it's seven and a half. So that doesn't mean
the Raiders almost with a quarterback head coaching disadvantage, almost
beat the Chiefs, and by the way, Arizona clobbered the
Rams last year. But Kyler Murray played a perfect football game.
(03:03):
I'm not joking. He literally had a perfect quarterback passer rating.
It was his best game arguably as a pro. Marvin
Harrison was uncoverable, Kyler Murray was perfect. And I think
there's a lot of people in the NFL, and I
really believe this that really like Arizona's coach Jonathan Agannon,
I think there's a lot of people. He took them
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from four and thirteen to eight and nine last year,
and they were in a lot of games even though
they were banged up. So that's kind of how I
feel on Dallas is that if you have a quarterback
or head coach clear disadvantage, it's incredibly hard to win
in this league. Now, roster composition matters, ownership, as our
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next guest knows, really matters, and without I bring on
Carson Palmer fifteen years, three time pro bowler, you know
who I was talking about this earlier. I think quarterback's
actually undervalued, and we all know you're the most important position.
And I also think ownership matters, roster composition, head coach.
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But Andy Reid we knew was good. Now he's unbeatable.
Belichick was great, Brady Leaves not as great. The guy
I have defended as Joe Burrow because and you know
this situation. I said this about a week ago on
the show. I said, if you gave Carson Palmer, Howie
Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie, we would talk about Carson like
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we do Peyton Manning. Is that you were in a
situation and you were outspoken. And by the way, in
an era, players weren't Carson, they weren't you were. Do
you look at Burrows sometimes and can you see what
I think I see, which is a he is signaling
to ownership and management. He's getting really frustrated a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I think resigning T Higgins kind of put out a
little bit of that fire that has been starting. But
if you just look at the organization over the last
handful of years, a good job of retaining talent, like
like re signing Jamar, like resigning te You think back
to the year after the Super Bowl, lost the Rams
and they revamped that offensive line. That offensive line was
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was maybe the biggest issue in that Super Bowl game.
They didn't hit on all the all the free agent
acquisitions they made after the Super Bowl, unfortunately, but at
least they were willing to do it and willing to
spend the money. They've showed Joe that they're willing, you know,
to hear him out. And when he says, hey, we
need to keep Tea, we need to keep Chase, you know,
they have done that. So they've showed the support.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I think they're still working through a number of things,
especially on the defensive side of the ball. But defending
Joe Burrow, I'm in the same court. I think he's
one of the top couple guys in the game. If
you know, he can be in positions this year where
he doesn't have to score thirty eight points every week
to win. I think they're a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Do contract disputes like Hendrickson and Micah. As a former
star player, you want to support that player. I mean,
if you draft a guy and get a guy, or
even if you acquire him, I'm for like, if he's
a good human being, resign him. Does it disrupt the team?
Does it disrupt meetings? Does it? Does it? What does
it do to the club?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Now, it's just part of the deal. I don't think
people are surprised. I don't think people get annoyed. I
think the biggest thing with Micah's situation is he hasn't practiced.
He's not physically ready. So, like we're all kind of
saying the same thing, they're eventually going to pay him
right probably right before the start of the season or
maybe in the second week. The problem is, then you
pay a guy top tier money and his body hasn't
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gone through a real training camp and all the preseason
games and the preparation that a guy like Mike Micah
needs to get his body ready to be durable throughout
the season.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So I think that's the biggest issue. In the biggest
distraction is he's.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Protecting his body because he's not under a new contract
and he's not physically ready to play.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
He's going to really.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Start practicing as soon as this contract situation gets filtered.
Out and then he's getting in shape, and then he
building up the protection and the strength he needs to
endure a seventeen week season.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, so I have said in your era, in Eli
Manning's era, I used to say, give a quarterback two
full years, I'll start making harsh judgments. Thanksgiving year three,
the world's changed seven on seven camps, summer camps, personal coaching,
and now I'm like, Thanksgiving year two, I'm gonna make
(07:27):
a decision. So I'm okay with the cult saying that
Anthony Richards it's not working, like we just don't think
with Shane Steike and it's working. But I do look
at Caleb Williams and I think, Okay, we got the coach, right,
I think, and Caleb's so darn talented. When would you
is it a number of games or is it something
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you see? And the Bears have never gotten quarterback?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Do you just say we're giving this kid three years? Period,
We're giving him three years.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I think the talent and the success he had at
the collegiate level, he deserves three years.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
No doubt.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And this is I mean, you pair him up with
the head coach that's there. Now, you know if he
has an opportunity to be the quarterback. We all saw
that that we thought he was going to be that
first year when he was at SC. I think the
sky's the limit. I mean, there is no better opportunity
for you know, for a head coach and a play
caller for him to play for. I think we'll see
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it by week five, by week six. I wouldn't even
wait all the way till Thanksgiving because there's a resume
of success and a history of success from college on.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I think Anthony Richards in a different situation.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
You know, he was a high risk, you know, high
reward type player because he was so athletically gifted, without
having the resume and success at the collegiate level that
Caleb had. And you think back to that Florida year
that he played, they didn't win a ton of games.
He wasn't ultra you know, successful like Caleb was in college.
And so he was a really high risk, high reward guy.
(08:57):
And you know, I think what we saw on college
at Florida is the same thing we've seen him do
you know since he's been an Indie.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So as a quarterback, you hear about Caleb's footwork. Here
he holds the ball too long as a quarterback? What
is correctable through coaching? And is there anything that you
found in your career that's not coachable? That's just sort
of innate. It's who you are. You couldn't be coached
(09:26):
up sideways or down on it. Like, what where is
a coach limited with a quarterback?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Well, I think the footwork and the you know, the
technique of the game is so big and so easily fixable.
It just takes rep after rep after rep after rep.
And so, you know, I think he's got the right coach,
like I was saying, you know, to really really put
the fine touches on his technique and get his fundamentals
where they need to be. But the things you can't
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teach are being able to stand in the pocket when
you're getting a hit in the face and throw the
ball accurately with timing.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
That's the biggest issue you see, guys.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Is when you get the NFL and you're getting hit
play after play after play and you don't always get
to rely on those fundamentals and technique and you have
to stand in the pocket and make a play and
throw with anticipation. Those things you can't teach. Those things
you can't really work on and make much better, but
the fundamentals of the game. I mean that starts in
February as soon as he takes some time off after
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the season, and I'm sure he's been doing that with
the coaching staff there in Chicago this offseason.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So Matt Stafford's got a back issue, which is I
don't care what profession we're talking about, in any labor
intensive work environment, backs for a problem. Are were there
times in your career because you were a quarterback that
you maybe hurt more than you let on, that you
were in more pain, that you are more concerned with
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your body, But because you were Carson, you were the quarterback,
you didn't tell the coaches, you didn't let on. Is
it possible Stafford's being a good soldier here, but he's
got a real issue physically and be just talking to
announce it to the He's just going to play through
it because he's a tough guy. He's been a tough
guy day one in the league.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Absolutely, it's happening in every locker room.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
It's not just the quarterback position, but really with the
quarterback position because everything is scrutinized so greatly. There's definitely
some issues. There's definitely injuries that guys don't you know,
let the media know about that. The team tries to
really limit on the amount of information that is disclosed
about something like a back issue.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But mass resume speaks for itself.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
He's done it, you know, ever since his day's back
playing for the Detroit Lions, where he wouldn't practice maybe
on a Monday or Tuesday and then be ready to
play by the time.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
He got to Sundays.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Now, you know, Matt's got so many reps under his belt,
and he's been doing it for so long, and with
a coach like coach McVeigh who really obviously trusts trusts Matt.
I think he probably goes through most of the season
very rarely practicing, if ever, trying to feel as good
as he can on Sundays. And you know, the backup
quarterbacks there, that's a great opportunity for those guys to develop,
(12:02):
to see if they're the guys that can replace Stafford eventually.
But Ma's the guy that doesn't need all the reps.
It doesn't need all all the timing things that most
young quarterbacks like Caleb really need.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
On these early practices in the week.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
You know, and I think with mass situation, if you
don't have your back and you don't have your feet,
you got issues in those two areas. It's really hard
to do anything, let alone play NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
So you're coaching at Santa Margarita. They face Mission Vahill
on Friday, which, by the way, Mark Sanchez played there.
So you're dealing with the young browers. Now, yeah, yeah,
you're you're playing. You're coaching now young kids. We have
nil in college, we have the transfer portal. Players have
been empowered. High school players now the great ones are
(12:46):
getting paid as they're leaving. You know, they're getting recruited.
It's you know, they're they're going to get paid. If
they're five star guys by the time they leave high school,
they'll get paid. People have often said coaches I've talked to,
they worry about will they be as motivation, will they
be able to deal with crisis because they can just transfer.
Take me to the young people. You coach at a
(13:09):
powerhouse high school with the elite talent. Have kids actually
changed that much?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
No, this game is still pure. I mean it's a
lot for the love of the game. It's not professional yet.
I do see just like we saw a couple of
years ago the college game become professional. I can see
that happening, you know, at the high school level. But
right now it's still pure. I mean, there's still the
transfer portal like situation. You're still going to have some
(13:38):
kids that come and go and that's all.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
That's part of the game.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You know, in every every conference, every division across across
high school football in this country.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
But it's still pure. It's still love of the game.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
You're playing with you know, you're playing with your boys
on Friday nights. But I do see that changing in
the next handful of years, And wouldn't be surprised if
we saw some nil money start creeping into you know,
sophomores and in high school.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Wow, that is boy. When the sophomore running back drives
a better car than the coach in high school, Carson.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Then scary, that's when it gets scary.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, good luck to you this season. We'll keep our
eye on it. Thanks Carson.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Thanks calling.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, you know it's I remember talking. You know, he
kind of defended this Cincinnati Bengals, but he also defended
Joe Burrow. I remember talking to Tony Gonzalez about this
one time he didn't like at one point in Kansas City,
they brought in a new coach and he didn't like
how he was being you. So he went to Atlanta
and Tony said, you know, I just I wasn't that
(14:38):
wasn't who I wasn't going to be outspoken and I
and I one of the only criticisms I ever had
of Andrew luck is he always took all the burdens
of the Colts. It was always like, hey, it's on me,
and it's like, no, it's not on you. It's not
on you. The rosters thinks, and so I I am
going to defend the star quarterback when Brady went. I
(15:00):
think we talked about this yesterday. When Brady went to
Tampa through twelve games with Bruce Arians, they were seven
and five and Brady was at wits end. They had
a bye week and Brady said, we're gonna switch it out,
We're gonna run my offense. They did, They didn't lose again,
they won the Super Bowl. And so, like there's a
lot of times athletes, I mean, like Micah Parsons does
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have a year left on his contract, you don't see
quarterbacks usually want to sit out with a year left
on their contract. I do think you have to play
to the end of your current contract regardless of how
you feel, but I will. But we don't see quarterbacks
be temperamental, do a lot of holdouts, and so I
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think the a fascinating story this year is Joe Burrow.
Almost every great quarterback in league history. Akeman had, Jimmy Johnson,
Montana and Steve Young had very good George and Bill Walsh.
I mean Brady had Belichick, Mahomes has Red I certainly
(16:06):
think Sean McDermott is a B plus coach with Josh Allen,
Lamar Jackson has John Harball. It is hard to find
Drew Brees has Sean Payton. Almost every great quarterback all time,
Dan Fouts had Don Coriel, Bradshaw had Chuck Noll, Kenny Stabler,
I think for a while had John Madden. I think
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it is hard to find a great quarterback that does
not have an elite coach. I don't know if Zach
Taylor is a great coach, but I know Joe Burrow
is a great quarterback, and I know it's the smallest
personnel department in the league, and I know it's one
of the poorest ownership situations. So I feel like Burrow
is living a very isolated NFL life where he is
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an all time great quarterback and ownership personnel roster. I
like Zach Taylor more than everybody else. I don't know
how John you feel. I like it more than everybody else.
I don't know if he's elite. I mean, Stafford eventually
got Sean McVay. Like you'll find the great quarterbacks in
the sport, they eventually find their kingpin, they eventually find
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their guy, if not first coach, second coach. And I
worry that Burrow is going to spend his entire life
in Cincinnati and never get the guy, the owner, the coach,
the roster, and that Super Bowl trip was the only
one he wasn't paid yet, and from this point forward,
he's just going to be a great quarterback that sometimes
makes the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I think Carson's a great example.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I mean, late in his career he got Bruce Arians
and a really really good Cardinal team. Imagine if he
would have got Bruce Arians at twenty five years old
instead of whatever he was thirty three, thirty four, thirty five,
and obviously it'd already had some injuries. You know, most
times when you get drafted really high in the NFL,
you go to a terrible team, right, and the terrible
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teams typically have bad coaches, bad own ownership, you know
Howie Roseman and Andy Reid and Sean McDermot, the Harball
Brothers typically our draft in one or two.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, it is. Yeah, It's like it's almost like I
don't think this is the perfect comp but compare like
a great quarterback to a great young acting talent, eventually,
the great Christian Bale, eventually Leonardo DiCaprio, whoever it is,
Eventually you find a great director. Tom Cruise figured this out.
(18:30):
Like Tom Cruise had different directors and different projects, and
finally Tom Cruise is like, you know, I'm going to
do Mission Impossible over and over and over and again,
and I'm I'm going to find a director that I
really work with and I'm going to go back and back.
And then Tom Cruise over the last ten years, maybe
last fifteen, has exploded. There was a time with Tom
Cruise it was hit bad, great, not so great, weird film,
(18:54):
bad film, good film. Finally he found and again, I think,
if you're just really talented you will find. I mean,
I go go watch the Billy Joel Dalk on HBO,
Like he finally found the management group. He finally found
a rhythm in his career. I was broken like forty
five and he was a huge star. Like, eventually, talent
(19:16):
will find the right partner. I'm just hoping Burrow eventually
gets the support that Jalen Hurts has. Hey, look at Herbert,
he finally got hardball. The spanles as went. They identified
Herbert as a huge talent. They're like, we have to
pay fifteen million to get the right coach.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
I think the thing though, you know, an actor, I
can choose my directors.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
As an artist, I can choose my manager.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
As a football player, the way the NFL set up,
you don't you're not really hitting free agency like Kevin Durant.
You know, Joe Burrow, the Bengals could never let him go.
They could just let his contract go, franchise him. I mean,
they kind of got him. I mean, and we know
Mike Brown, as Carson Palmer, isn't the most open minded
when it comes to different options for his player. So
(19:59):
I to say it, I know you've been pushing maybe
Joe Burrow this year gets weird, could ask for a trade.
I think he's stuck in Cincinnati now. Granted he signed
a contract, but if it gets really ugly, he's kind
of stuck there for a minute.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
If Joe Burrow puts up the kind of year he
did last year and does not make the playoffs, you know,
you think he disappeared to Fashion Week last year in Paris,
like he may just say, guys, I'm not going to camps,
like I'm done with this. I just I think it's
a story to watch. It's one thing if you say, hey,
we were in the playoffs for the final week. We
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didn't make it, but you know, but if they don't
sign Hendrickson and they don't make the playoffs and he
has to win shootouts, I really think that is the
That is the inferno, the potential inferno. Outside of the
Cowboys melting down with Schottenheimer and the Mica situation early.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
We would just need Roger to copy Adam Silver like
Luca to the Lakers and get a Burrow to you know,
the Cowboys at the Rams or something like that, and everyone.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Would be happy.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
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Speaker 1 (21:31):
You know, I made a discovery last night. When you
get home late from a flight and you get home
and you're not a big fan of eating on planes,
and you get home and you just you're you're really hungry.
You don't want to eat. It's like nine forty five.
You know it's not healthy, you don't want to eat,
but you're like, I'm gonna look in the fridge. And
my wife had made bolonaise and Ravioli's last night, and
(21:53):
I was so hungry I didn't even heat it. I
just grabbed a fork, opened it up, and went to town.
And I'm gonna tell you I made a discovery last night.
Bolon AI's warm, hot or cold works. So from this
point forward, if you just don't want to start the
stove up, guys at nine pm, cold Bolonnes last night,
(22:16):
it might as well been zagger rated. I was like,
it's freezing, it does not matter. It's if it's too hot.
It burns your mouth anyway. You know, they say the
heart of the food the less you can taste it all.
I tasted every ounce of cold Bolones last night. It
was sensational. John Middlecoff of the.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
News, No news, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yesterday the Colts announced that Daniel Jones had won the
team starting job over Anthony Richardson phone the News, Richardson's
agent stopped short of demanding a trade, but instead said,
of the relationship with the front office, we have a
lot to discuss. Trust is a big factor and at
best that is questionable right now.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Meanwhile, Richardson took the high road about the decision.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
No, he made a decision. No, that's the decision. We
got to live. But you know, no hard feelings and
never's personal. I just got to keep growing, you know,
I just can't let me not being a starter, you know,
stop me from growing and being the person the player
now is supposed to be. So I just got to
stay fugued and keep grinding.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I love his attitude. He seemed like a really nice kid.
He's just he just had By the way, bo next
got sixty one college starts, Jade and Daniel got fifty
five college starts. It's like you said earlier, the clock
has changed. We're not giving you three years. So if
you come in with thirteen college starts, you're at a
huge disadvantage and you're immediately on the clock.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
My question is this, It is difficult, especially for young players,
most of them, to just be super outspoken about their
true feelings. Maybe the agent was actually speaking what Anthony
Richardson really can't say to the public. Do you think
this is untenable and he's going to be traded in
the next couple of weeks, or if you're the Colts,
he just keep him around.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Can you do that to your locker room? It's kind
of a bizarre situation.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, did you notice yesterday that the Colts and Shane
stiken made a point And I'm sure Ballard and Stikeen
talked about this when they named Daniel Jones the starter.
They said for the season. They wanted to make it
clear this wasn't a go either way thing. Here's our starter,
(24:26):
it's for this season. No reason to ask questions. Anthony
Richardson is officially the backup, and I think a lot
of it is Daniel Jones is just more consistently accurate.
He can distribute the ball. But I thought the way
they announced it was very clear is we're kind of
moving on. And that also sends a signal to the league.
(24:47):
Anybody want to give us a draft pick, We're open
to discussions.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Well, to me, that's why if I'm less need, if
I'm Bret Veach, obviously we have an established starter. We
even feel good about our backups. But this is a
true he's not playing anyway. So if I'm Andy Reid,
I got a little downtime during the week, I'm working
with this guy. Maybe he's an asset in the offseason
I can trade.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
We've seen Sean McVeigh do this with Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
I do have to.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Wonder if some teams a lot of.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
People liked him a lot coming out of college, a
row product, but if you can get him, I don't
know for a fifth round pick. Jerry was nuts when
he traded a fourth for Trey Lance. I don't think
anyone would go near that number, but maybe a conditional fifth,
maybe a sixth. I think a lot of teams would
be very interested about just having a guy they can
work with in practice.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
The pain, Yeah, I will say, remember when he pulled
himself out of a game, that's.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
A tough one. That's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I don't know what to do with that. I think
that's a little bit of a red flag to some player,
some gms in the league.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
It felt like that unofficially ended his Colt's career that moment,
and they've never kind of looked back, speaking of a
career just getting started. The Patriots drafted running back Travon
Henderson out of Ohio State with their second round pick
this offseason, and he's already made a big impact this preseason,
so much so that the friend of the show, Julian Edelman,
(26:07):
believes he could be the drafts ultimate selection.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
Trevon Henderson's probably steal the draft. I think that's the
kind of guy you need to draft that becomes part
of that nucleus with Drake.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know, that's that's how you build your.
Speaker 10 (26:22):
Team just from hearing you know, coaches speak about him
with his maturity, the way he is as a professional,
that's gonna be really good. If he can go out
and have production, then everyone, you know, everyone's gonna see
how he works, how he is as a person on
and off the field, and it makes the other guys
in the locker room like, man, that's why he's doing this.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah. Generally, to be a great team or an ascending team,
you need to find a gem a George Kittle in
the fifth round, like right, most I mean Travis Kelcey,
most great team Dynasty's Gronk was not an early pick.
Most of the time, when you look at some of
the great teams of all time, they found a steal
(27:08):
somewhere in the draft. I mean Brady, they didn't have
to pay for five years. Now, this is a second
round player, But if I told you he was the
rookie of the year, would you be shocked with Rabel's
style of coaching.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Well, I mean think of the guy I've Rabel coached
and became a Hall of Fame player in Tennessee. Derrick
Henry second round pick, the second round is often viewed
by gms and personnel people as the best round because
you can get star players Nick Chubb, Deebo, Samuel DK, Metcalf,
you name it.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
The list goes on and on.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Shady McCoy for not first round money, so you get
him on a four year contract making a million or
two dollars, So you get a guy like this at
a really cheap number. And historically running backs that second round,
especially high in the second round, has.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Been a real big sweet spot.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
So this is a game about speed, spreading it out
in This guy, I mean is explosive. Yeah to basketball,
where Luca made some headlines this offseason about completely revamping
his workouts and really just getting skinny. He's shown off
as new physique during the exhibition games ahead of the
euro Basketball Tournament with Slovenia. He put up twenty eight
(28:20):
and ten against Great Britain. According to one of the
Slovenian teammates, Luca's new physique has allowed him to be
faster in colin to jump more during their games in practices.
So the future looks bright for skinny and in shape
Luka Doncic.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, you know there are statistics that are fascinating to
me and others that don't matter. But I think Luca,
there was a number that he had twenty five dunks
his first year and he had like one last year. Okay,
that's just you've lost your explosiveness. And when you watched
him last year, and you know, I'm sitting in LA
I watched a lot of Laker games. He just didn't
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beat people off to dribble. What made him so great
initially is he could beat you off the dribble and
finish at the rim or do that quirky fallaway that
was all elbows and knees. He became basically that's what
he could largely do. He couldn't beat you consistently off
the dribble. I mean, look at the pictures we're showing now.
He doesn't look like the same person that he is
(29:19):
in the workout videos in the internet. I mean, look
at he looks like a power for so he and
now will become first two year Luca, which is ball
in his hands, scoring thirty three. Still not a great defender,
but controlling the tempa. I thought last year there were
times he let Lebron take over for rest that he
(29:41):
was just didn't trust his body can you explain this
to me.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
You're a world traveler. You know the Europeans.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
They're healthier, they walk more, they're just a little skinnier
than us.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yet they're basketball players.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Relative to our American basketball players, I'll struggle with diet
and just kind of their physique early in their career
is just their diet doesn't translate to elite you know, athletics,
professional athletics over here. Because Luka Jokic, no Yokic change.
His body looks like Luca I don't know, mixing a
couple salads. Maybe not as many beers, but that's never
been a knock. Our basketball players might not be as skilled,
(30:12):
but no one ever goes. You know, that's small forwardies,
he's overweight playing for Duke.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That's not really the way we talk about our guys.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, you know, I always looked at international basketball twenty
years ago. I used to think of European players as soft.
I no longer think that they I always thought of
them as highly skilled. Their academies were about learning skill.
I mean, it's like everybody can shoot. It feels like
all the Biggs can shoot, Wemby can shoot. I think
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they're coachings, underrated and their skill levels remarkable. I've never
looked at physique. I will say this, I absolutely, definitively
believe that European players are tougher and more physical today
than twenty years ago. There was a lot of Tony Koukach,
which is I can score, but I mean Pippa and
MJ are literally going after him physically because they don't
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they don't respect him. Most of your international I mean Jokic,
we'll get into a fight and his brothers are right
behind him. Like Jokic is physical, Yannis is physical, so
and Sga is a skinny guy, but he's banging into
people constantly. So I don't I don't know, but I
do think they've made advances in physicality international.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I've been I've been walking around the streets of La
Colin and everyone tells me this is the face of
the Lakers now, not Lebron So Luca, welcome to Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
This is your team now.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, it is John with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping back the
herd line news.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Mac Brown. He is out of coaching the National Championship
head coach at Texas Carolina. Belichick's taking over that program
I remember when Dion took over Colorado, Colorado with TCU,
and I'm like, I don't even know what I'm gonna get.
I think, in fact, I think I went on the
air and said I'm taking TCU. I think I said that.
I don't remember exactly, but my guess is I took TCU.
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They had, they had some momentums, a program, they had
NFL guys. I'm not supposed to feel this way. That's
how I feel with Belichick. I'm like, I don't even
know what they are and I don't know if it's
gonna translate, if what's the line on that? Like TCU,
I have a weird feeling we're all buying into this thing.
(32:23):
Could there be a thud? I mean, this quarterback is
kind of a run around guy, not classic Belichick, sit
in the pocket, deliver the ball. I don't even know
there's the line like three or four points. I don't know.
I don't know what I'm gonna get with Belichick against TCU.
Save big and your TCU is is that minus or plus?
(32:48):
So TCU is favored by three and a half. I
think I take TCU, like I don't know what. At
least I know what I get with TCU.
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Speaker 1 (33:26):
So I was talking to the guys during the break.
It is fascinating to me on what makes Shador Sanders
so popular. Like in Cleveland, it is unbelievably polarizing. There
are camps of people that love him. I understood people
(33:47):
loving Tim Tebow even though he was unproven because of
his great religious conviction. There was a link with Christianity
and his lifestyle. Just like, Oh, I'd like my daughter
to marry that quarterback. Like I got his appeal. I
got Cam Newton's appeal. I mean, the guy was literally
a defensive end playing quarterback. He was a superstar in college.
(34:10):
Wildly entertaining that Auburn game against LSU. You're like like
I get popular Baker Mayfield ego wearing it on his chest,
I get popularity for young quarterbacks. Shador's not dynamic to watch.
There's no religious conviction. He's not a flashy quarterback. He
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didn't have a big arm. He didn't run around like Lamar.
He's not, you know, kind of cocky, like a Johnny
Manzell or a Baker Mayfield. He seems like a nice kid,
kind of silly. Well, his dad was famous, folks, Almost
every quarterback in the NFL's dad played college football played
in the NFL. It's just interesting. I understand. I understand
(34:59):
when go crazy for Reggie Bush, Like when he came
into the NFL, it's like, oh my got Some players
are so dynamic that you just emotionally you fall in
love with players. I love this guy. I love his personality,
I love his confidence. I love what's the shadur thing.
His game's not dynamic, and I think he was underdrafted.
(35:19):
I like him. I'm rooting for the kid. I don't
think he's serious enough. I think he's kind of silly.
He does not have a big arm. He's not flashy,
he's not wildly athletic. He's not I don't think he's cocky.
I think he lacks him self awareness. I don't think
he's cocky. He's a likable kid. I'm gonna what Arch
Maanning is gonna be a rock star between the name.
(35:39):
You're gonna watch him play. He's got a big arm,
he moves well. Texas football, I mean, should have played
at Colorado. Even Tebow Tibo played at Florida Urban Meyer
polarizing program. Cam was in the SEC rock Star Shadeur's
popularity is fat. He goes to Carolina.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You gonna play a game Carolina.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Everybody's wearing Shador Sanders Jersey. It's like, I don't know,
you guys are young. I got a couple of young
guys next to me, is a do you have a
Chadur uh uh slash Berry Sanders jersey at home? Do
you do you? Do you? Is there something there? Like
are you wildly fascinated by Shador? You are the celebration stuff?
(36:25):
I don't know. Like like I will tell you Arch
Manning is going if he's as good as I think
Arch is going to be special the name the game,
Like he's the only Manning that runs, I mean like
he'll run over yet he is. In fact, I would
(36:45):
say he needs to learn how to slide. He's not
a real slider yet. It's like bro settle down, get
out of bounds, slide his game, especially at a glamorous
program like Texas, Like I get that game. He got rid.
He may he may not show you yet he got
a little riz. But here here's by the way, here
(37:06):
is arch Manning on his grandfather Archie saying he's gonna
be for sure at Texas the next two years.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I don't know where he got that from.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
He texted me and apologize about that, but I'm really
just taking a day by day right now.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
So the staff just told me Shador has done a
great job of branding. He makes people think something without
having much of a product. Really is that? Is that
the thing is that riz? Does that count his RIZ?
I don't know. I mean, like, okay, I also understand
the popularity of brock Purty. He's an underdog, right, like
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I get the underdog Baker felt he had to transfer.
Baker was a little small. Baker's an underdog. Shadar is
not an underdog. His dad's deon Sanders. And by the way,
we generally don't love you because your dad was famous.
That's I mean, the Manning family is American football royalty.
Like every Manning you're kind of fascinated with because Eli's
went in Super Bowls and Peyton's one of the greats
(38:07):
all time. Like I'm just fascinated to watch archs Manning
come from that lineage, right, But it's and maybe just
Shadora is standing on business. I don't even really know
what that means, but it just sounds well, it sounds
cringey when I say it. But the point is, can
you explain Middelkoff? What is How is he going on
(38:30):
the road and selling jerseys? It's Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
I do think an element has a huge factor of
his dad. I mean, his dad's been one of the
most famous athletes in the country for I don't know
thirty five years, huge personality, polarizing. Then coach Right became
a big brand. They started to doing huge television numbers.
Wasn't the Colorado TCU game was on Fox Week one,
(38:58):
two whatever three years? I remember watching that. That was
a that was a cultural moment. I mean I felt
like everyone I knew watched it.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I mean grew Colorado sold out football games instantly.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Yeah, the irony is the talent. He's not their son,
but he feels like a son is Travis Hunter. That's
the guy most likely not far when the Heisman plays
both ways, but he doesn't. But he's kind of boring.
He actually says nothing. I don't really know that much
about him. Besides, he just seems like a mellow, easygoing guy.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, I know, he is an unbelievable I mean he
could be r O Tommy. He could be a pro
bowler on both sides.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
I also think anytime, you know, one of the most
what really made Aaron Rodgers a household name, it was
slipping in the draft right going twenty four, sitting in
that green room, he's that draft moment as a as
a content creator that.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
That was a big Friday for me. I mean, that
was a big moment for the guy.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
You know what, this is a great point I think
you just hit on. It is that we're rooting for
him because there was a sense he got dogged by
the league, the corporation, the Shield, the NFL. They dogged
him and now he is actually Although it's hard to
say any one of Dion Sanders' kids as an underdog,
there is a sense that he got he got dogged
(40:16):
by the league, and he is viewed as an underdog.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
I think it would be different if he had just
been whatever the Browns were drafting right two, if they
had just drafted him second overall, Like I mean in February,
NFL people weren't talking like that, but the media was.
If he had just been drafted in the first round,
even if he had gone in the twenties like Jackson Dart,
I do.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Wonder if it'd be a little he went in the
fifth round Colin.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
I mean he started taking people from like Mexico that
had played football for one year, dude from Australia in
the fifth round.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
He has two and a half times the Instagram followers
of Jaden Daniels. I mean, just it is. And he
plays for a bad maybe the worst team in the league.
I think you are right. I think dropping in the
made him an incredibly a populace. Now he is part
of everybody thinks they've been jobbed a little bit in life,
(41:07):
they've been overlooked. You can relate to that. And he
gets drafted in the first round and doesn't feel like
that
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