August 21, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin talks to Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show to breakdown the biggest hurdle Caleb Williams is facing under new head coach Ben Johnson
He reacts to breaking news out of Cleveland that has Shedeur Sanders as the 3rd string quarterback with the Browns despite Dillon Gabriel turning the ball over twice last week
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's a Thursday. We're in Chicago. It
is our number two. By the way, last night, John,
I went to a restaurant, John, you and I went
to in Chicago. I am here to tell you. If
a restaurant has a pork chop on the menu, order
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it because nobody puts it on there unless they're good
at it. Everybody has to put Like you know, you
go to an Italian restaurant, you gotta put lazag on
the menu, whether you're good at it or not. You
go to a steakhouse, Yella steak salmon restaurant puts a
pork shop and it's not like a steakhouse. You need
to order that puppy because I did last night, and
I walked home and no man in America was happier
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than me last night, John, not even you, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
And I spoke to my wife and she ordered some
obscure item on door dash and hated it. I said, Maria,
we can't keep ordering these crazy items. Just the pork chop,
the steak, the chicken. What's not out?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Think the room.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's not out, think the room. Well that and that's
Greg Cosel. He doesn't outthink the film. Forty six years
at NFL Films Thursdays during the football season. We love him.
So all right, So I let let's this is where
I lean on you. So I think Shador is bigger.
I think he I think he's really accurate. But he's
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a different quarterback than Dylan Gabriel. They are different quarterbacks.
You've watched all you know, you watched Dylan, You've watched Shadure.
What does the film say? What? What? What do you see?
What is who does Stefanski trust? Who do you face
in pressure? What is the film saying? The Browns young quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
So I think we're trying to figure out who's going
to be quarterback number three on.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
The Browns right right?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, you know, Dylan Gabriel is a player that Stefanski
really liked because the way it works in the league, Colin,
and you know this is offensive. Coaches, they think about
how does a player work.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Within my scheme? And what Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Is is he's essentially stylistically similar to a too attaga
Iloa in that he hits his back foot and the
ball comes out. He's a rhythm player. He's a timing player.
That's his game. He's a shorter quarterback, so he needs
to play that way and he did that effectively for
two years in college, one at Oklahoma, one at Oregon.
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Sanders is a little different player. He's not quite as rhythmic,
and he has a tendency. And this showed up on tape,
by the way, even though the good outweighed the bad
when he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift
a little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in
the pocket.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Now, he can throw the ball well, but there are
some things he would have to clean up clearly. And
you know, he came from a program in Colorado where
there were a ton of tunnel screens, a ton of
easy throws.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
He would need to learn.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
How to better navigate the pocket, although he showed some
signs of that. But again, I think we're talking about
you know, how many quarterbacks are the Browns going to keep.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
No team keeps.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Four quarterbacks, so it's going to be interesting going down
the stretch here. And then Sanders got hurt and missed
some time in practice, and that's not going to help him.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I mean what you're saying basically, and we've seen this
from offensive coaches before, run my play. Sean Payton loves Bonnicks,
but he really likes him because he runs his play effectively.
And what you're saying is Dylan Gabriel, like a TUA,
runs the play they call should do or sometimes ad
libs out of it. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
It's not that he ad libs out of it. He's
not as efficient in that style of just hitting his
back foot and getting the ball out. You know, that's
the way Dylan Gabriel has always had to play because
of his size.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
So, but that's the way.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Coaches think, and I'm not sure a lot of people
think that way and understand that is coaches. The term
that's used a lot with in the NFL is scheme adaptability.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Coaches think on both sides of the ball in terms
of how does the guy fit into my scheme.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Can he run my scheme? You know?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
You know this coaches worked sixteen hours a day and
they're putting in their scheme, their game plan.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
It starts with OTAs. They want all this.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Executed, and when it's not executed, then it becomes a problem.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah. So brog Purty, when the roster was younger, healthier,
less brittle, was a really, really good quarterback. Last year
roster gets beat up. He's won in six against playoff teams.
Now right now in camp, their wide receiving cores in
complete shambles and open up against a pretty lively athletic
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Seattle defense up in the Northwest. That's a tough opener.
So when you looked at film last year of Purdy
going one in six down the stretch against playoff teams
that he couldn't make certain throws, was it that the
yards after cas were limited, like one in six from
Purdy kind of jumps out at you when you look
at his early success. Now without Christian McCaffrey, it's a
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different offense. But what did the films say about Purty
last year when he had to start games with a
patchwork group around him.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Well, it's funny you mentioned Purdy, because last week I
watched two hundred and fifty dropbacks of Purdy over a.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Two day period. Purdy is a really good quarterback, Colin.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
The thing with Purdy is he's not Josh Allen or
Patrick Mahomes. He's not necessarily the kind of quarterback, even
though he does have mobility that's going to make those
kinds of plays by himself. Now we think of, you
know that I'm Mahomes making Allen make, so Lamar makes.
He certainly doesn't navigate the pocket the way Joe Burrow does.
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But in terms of being what we call a post
snap operator, in other words, when he takes the snap,
he has such an intuitive feel for what he sees,
and therefore he's a really really good timing and anticipation thrower.
It's just innate to him. He sees it really quickly.
So Purdy is a high level post snap operator. He's
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a really really good player. You know, it gets to
that old question of how many quarterbacks, Colin and you
can go back years and years are really great when
their team's not very good. I mean that's you know,
Purdy is a really good quarterback. He's just not a
dynamic athlete. Who's necessarily going to make those kind of
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special plays on his own. But as a pocket quarterback,
he's pretty high level.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Boy, too bad, Jason McIntyre's now on the show today.
He'd be doing backflips after that. Okay, Williams, I went
through the schedule this week and I said, listen, Chicago
historically has struggled in Division. They went one in five
last year in the Vision. They don't have Detroit Ross,
they may not have Green Bay's coach or quarterback, and
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Minnesota's rosters better front to back as well. So what
have you seen with Caleb what I'll address it this way,
What is Ben Johnson doing to Caleb? Where has he
made strides improving Caleb from what the film said last year?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Well, I think the number one thing is not when
he throws the ball. He's a great thrower of the football,
that is evident. Everybody knows that. And he's obviously a
great athlete who can make plays on the move. The
main part for Caleb Williams and the key for Ben
Johnson is everything from the huddle until the ball is snapped.
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Because they call multiple plays in the huddle, there's a
lot of shifts, there's a lot of motions. You've got
to be to do that with the necessary speed and efficiency.
So you get to the line of scrimmage and there's
time enough on the shot clock because you're going to
have the shifts, You're going to have the motions. Now
it's up to Caleb to decide if there's two plays called,
which one am I going to run? That part of
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quarterbacking is the bigger deal for Caleb Williams as he's
learning the Ben Johnson offense, because Ben Johnson will set
you up beautifully with defined and clean reads and throws,
and Caleb Williams throws it as well as anybody.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I mean, you can see that. Everybody knew that when
he came out. That was never the issue.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
But it's really from the point of the huddle until
the ball is snapped that's going to be the main
part that he has to become efficient at.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So so much of there's such an advantage for a
Jaden Daniels getting at Cliff Kingsbury, where a Justin Fields
has had a lot of defensive coaches. I do think
Sean Payton bow Nicks, I don't think bow would have
been that good had he had a defensive coach perhaps
I think I think just offensive coaches and quarterbacks. There's
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they rebuild all lines quicker. There's a sensibility about it.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So I look at Jackson Dart. Three years with Lane
Kiffin is high level coaching, and then he gets Brian
Dable more than capable in a playoff game with Daniel Jones.
And my thing is, you can you can tell me
that he's not quite ready. But three years a lane
and a camp with Brian Dable. When you look at
the film of Jackson Dart in preseason, do you see
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areas where oh, whoa, whoa, he's not ready or does
he see the field? What does the film tell you?
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well, they really did a good job in the preseason
of allowing him to get comfortable. And that's what the
preseason really is. For a lot of empty sets. Okay,
he's very comfortable in empty sets.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
It spreads the field.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
They got a lot of base defensive looks that were
not difficult to read. They played a little bit up tempo,
which he certainly used to in Lane Tiffin. So they
did a lot of things that help him really get comfortable.
So when he's on the field, you know he's not
going through major progressions here. He's not doing that if
he becomes the starter, and we'll see how all this
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plays out. You know, who knows what's going on there.
But I don't know how you feel. But there's a
part of me that wouldn't be surprised if he's named
the starter. But we'll see how that plays out. But
they tried to make it easy for him so that
he can make confident throws, which he did, and he
obviously has movement ability so well. You know, obviously when
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the regular season starts and teams game plan, things get
different because you're going to see a lot of different things.
But he certainly was efficient, just like Caleb Williams was
super efficient against the Bills. You know, second and thirdeen players.
But that's what you want. You want efficiency, so the
quarterback feels good.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I said, I didn't think the Steelers was a great
choice by Aaron Rodgers, much like the Jets defensive head coach,
unpredictable offensive line inability in recent years to run the ball,
And I said, it's just this is an offensive line
under Mike Tomlin that has had six years and not
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a lot to show for it. They have not run
the ball consistently, they lose Najie Harris, their left tackle,
and I just thought San Francisco, Minnesota, I thought there
were better spots for him. So if you go back
to the Jets and Aaron last year in the film,
it could look a little bit like the Steelers to me,
are a better run version of the Jets, right, like
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a better front office, a better coach. Go back to
the Jets last year. Is Aaron way past his prime?
Does he do anything that resembles the great Aaron?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
He he throws the ball super well. You know, I think
when you sign Aaron Rodgers owhen he's your quarterback. To me,
the bigger issue is how you mesh would you want
to do as an offensive coordinator, And it's Arthur Smith
with the fact that one of rogers his greatest strengths
has always been his ability to control the game at
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the line of scrimmage and then be able to adjust
and change plays. So that I think for an offensive coordinator,
that's something that you really have to work on because
you don't want to take that away from Aaron Rodgers,
Because anybody who works with Aaron Rodgers will tell you
he's among the smartest quarterbacks they've ever seen, and he's
so good at the line of scrimmage in controlling the game.
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So to me, the larger question is how do you mesh?
How does author Smith mesh what he wants to do
with his offense because he's got a clearly defined offensive
approach with the fact that Aaron Rodgers is so good
at the line of scrimmage and likes to change things
based on what he sees.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, So an interesting storyline that has developed this offseason
in training camp and in the preseason is Matthew Stafford's help.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So if you think about last year, the Rams were
driving in the snow and Philadelphia after a Puka Nakuah
completion to beat the Philadelphia Eagles, who tramps Kansas City
in the Super Bowl. So my take is the defense,
there's a lot of talent. I'm sure the film says that,
especially in the box, there's a lot of talent up front.
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But when I look at their offense and their point
differential last year, does the film tell you this is
really this is about McVeigh and Stafford's brilliance, not really
the offensive roster composition. Because I said the other day,
I said, if Matt Stafford doesn't play. This is the
only team in the league that could win the Super
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Bowl or finish four and thirteen, because I think even
Kansas City with their roster and their overall talent and
coaching could win seven eight games of Mahomes got banged up.
When you look at the Rams on film, what is
their offense? Is it basically the brilliance of two guys
and kind of a limited offensive roster.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
To some extent.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I mean, they don't have a great offensive roster, and
certainly the wide receiver position now is they don't have
great players there. You know, Nikup is really good, but
he's a certain kind of player, and Stafford has just
always been so good and another guy that is really
good at understanding what he's seeing, changing plays, calling audibles,
still has a big time arm, can make any throw
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an aggressive thrower, which you really need to be in
the NFL. And McVeigh has always been so good in
terms of formations, shifts, motions, getting guys open, making it
tough for the defense. But yeah, you're right, offensively, they
do not have great players throughout that offense. And Stafford's
injury the back particularly, you know, don't forget he had
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back injuries when he was twenty five and twenty six.
This is not brand new, and now he's I think
thirty seven. So you know, I love watching Matthew Stafford play.
He's always been one of my favorite guys to watch
on film. But I'd be a little concerned about that
back injury. You know, that's a tough deal as you
get older.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay, finally, you know, I've always loved Sam Darnald. Last
year yea through fourteen weeks, it was a very fun
story for me. But when you watched him, was it
about Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson. Do you see him
going to Seattle with a defensive coach with an offensive
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line that was bad last year? Do you think he
replicates it? Is he now overvalued based on a remarkable coach,
Justin Jefferson, solid run game. Where are you on Sam
Donald off of last season? What does the film tell you?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Well?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I think that the reason that Seattle wanted Donald is
because with Kubiak there as the OC, they're going to
run a lot of similar concepts as the Vikings did.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
They're putting them under center.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Because I believe Donald last year was either the second
or third most dropbacks. As a conventional play action quarterback meeting,
he was under center. That's what he did really well
under Kevin O'Connell, and that's what Kubiak is going to do.
They're going to start with the outside zone run game,
put Donald under center, and let the play action game
be a foundation of what they do. There's less reading
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involved in the play action game, particularly when you're under center.
It holds the second level defenders better because they have
a longer time to wait to see if it's run
or pass. So I think the thought process was Donald
was very good running that style of offense, that philosophical style,
and now we're going to do something very similar and Colin.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
By the way, most quarterbacks need.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
A particular style, a particular philosophy to be effective. There's
very few transcendent quarterbacks that you can just say, let's
do anything and they'll be great. So that to me
is not a knock on Donald. That's the way it
is with most quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Greg Cosel forty six years NFL films this point forward.
For the next twenty twenty two weeks, it's going to
be Greg co Sell on Thursdays as always great sing.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
You thanks, Corn, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You bet well, Middle Coff. You and mac jmack have
been sell me on Brock party for years. You know,
look eat a little crow there. He loves him on film.
But I do think that opener for San Francisco on
the road against Mike McDonald's defense and they're basically going
to be using number three, four and five wide receivers.
That's I do think that is a tough opener. Would
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you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
If he lights them up? Will you apologize to him?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
If Brock Purty lights up Seattle, Yes, he's done it before,
like seven times. But little come uppings for me, perhaps
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Speaker 1 (18:23):
Welcome back in halfway through at Urban Meyer will be
joining us in the last hour. He thinks that Jim
Harbaugh should be suspended in the NFL. I think what's
happening in college football, which is between the nil and
the transfer portal. It's a little bit of the wild
Wild West. They have put some bumpers into the bowling lanes,
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but you can buy high school players now, and so
for me, I'm not getting worked up over an iPhone
shaky video some labeling it KGB level by Connor Stallions.
I you know, listen, I think they got they're gonna
get fined the loose thirty million dollars and uh, Jim
Harbaugh can't come back into college coaching. But I think Michigan,
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if this quarterback they got can play and this coach
can coach, they're fine. I think the easiest thing for
a big brand to do in college football or college
basketball is right at check. You don't want to lose,
you know, you don't want to lose bowl practices. You
don't want to have vacated wins, and so I think
Michigan could be fine as long as the coach can coach. Now,
if you find out by this year you got the
wrong guy coach and you have to go get another coach,
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he may be turned off by all this stuff Michigan's
dealing with and the noise and in your field, your
options may be limited. But let's wait and see if
this guy's the right coach. Because the quarterback, then the
recruited with the nil money, a big time player. John
Middlecoff with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Okay, Colin, your guy, Baker Mayfield. He's had a career resurgence,
leading the play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the playoffs
in both seasons, says taking.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Over for Tom Bray.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Tampa won ten games last year, and there's a lot
of expectations surrounding the team, but Baker says, no matter
the expectations, it doesn't change the team's approach and their
ultimate goal is a Super Bowl. Baker, he's twenty five
to one to win the MVP, and he's coming off
career highs in completion percentage, yards, touchdowns, and passer rating. Colin,
what are your expectations for Baker Mayfield in Tampa this year?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Well, I have him winning the division, mostly because I
just don't I don't necessarily trust what Atlanta is, So
I'm going to go with Baker to win the division.
I do think Atlanta. I think Atlanta beat Tampa twice
last year. I think I like Pennex, you like him.
I do worry about losing two offensive linemen here in
preseason because they already moved off Drew Dolman an excellent
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top five or six center. So I'm going to give
Baker the division. I feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, I mean I'm not only giving them the division.
I think Atlanta is gonna be in shambles if their
offensive line falls apart as I think Carolina can finish second.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
But I actually like Baker twenty five to one.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I think it's one of the better long shot You
know MVP bets on the board. Typically it's Tom Brady, Peyton, Manning, Mahomes,
Aaron Rodgers, Lamarge, But every once in a while there's
a Matt Ryan. He was the number one overall pick,
He's won a Heisman. There's a lot of momentum for
this player. What if you tell me that Baker throws
forty five touchdowns. Chris Godwin was just activated off pup.
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You know, Mike Evans, they draft a first round wide
receiver from Ohose State that everyone loves Bucky. Their offense
is gonna be awesome. Baker the last two years has
put guys Kanalis and Liam Cohen become head coaches on
his watch.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, something big like Russell Wilson could ever do that.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean, I think there's a lot of momentum for
Baker Mayfield at end of this season.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
How about you Mecha Obuka the receiver from wide receiver.
How about throw this up dark horse Offensive Rookie of
the Year.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
What if they double dip MVP Offensive Rookie of the Year.
I mean, if he gets ten touchdowns and Baker throws forty.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Five and they'd have to win, you couldn't win ten.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But if I told you they won twelve or thirteen
games and they were the two seed behind the Eagles,
I think, you know, assuming that Josh Allen lamar a
little fatigue, Mahomes probably won't have the numbers.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I think I think it's possibility. Speaking of a team
that will not have the MVP. The Jets.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
They're coming off a bad preseason loss of the Giants
last week, and in response, they held a secretive quote,
players only practice without the media, assistant coaches president. But
the problem here, Colin, is there was a coach there.
It was the head coach, Aaron Glenn. During the practice,
players reportedly conducted their own drills, called their own plays
so the players could take ownership of what was going on.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Colin, what do you think of this? I don't like it.
I'm I don't know. I said it when he was hired.
I don't. I mean lessen half the coordinators should hire
don't work like that. I mean, when you hire Jim Harbaugh,
it's gonna work. Or when Kansas City hires Andy Reid,
it's gonna work. Or when Denver hire Sean Payton. There's
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certain things like Mike McCarthy and Dallas. You thought it
would be somewhat successful.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
It was.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Co Ordinators are fifty to fifty at best, and the
defensive coordinators feel like it's less than fifty to fifty.
I just I get a vibe that this thing could
roll backwards fast.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Well, I think one problem obviously, they do have a
lot of good young players, Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Quinn Williams.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Their quarterback play justin Field.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Seems like a great guy and he was really impressive
the way he's handed the last couple of years. But
he's not a very good football player at quarterback. I mean,
he struggles to pass. So I think offensively they're going
to be in shambles. Obviously, the Bills are a powerhouse.
The Patriots are going to be a lot better. I know,
we we love kind of dragging the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think the.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Jets are gonna be pretty bad as well. It's gone
gonna be a long season. Speaking of a team that's
not gonna be bad. To Houston Texans and their star
corner Derek Stingley Junior. He had a hell of the
season in twenty twenty four, earning a Pro Bowl selection
being named first team All Pro.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He got a big contract.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
His head coach, high level guy, Demiko Ryans, had some
high per for the young player.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Derek definitely man definitely has one of the best hands
that I've seen.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
From the corner perspective.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
You can throw in, you know, Coach Brown some great
hands as well.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
But Derek, he's a unique player.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
He's very talented, very gifted, and for me, what I'm
most encouraged about. You see, from when I first got here,
to see where Stingley has grown to and what he's
become is like, it's very impressive to watch to see
the growth of a player, the development of him and
for him to be just the top of the top
of this craft, top of the game as a cornerback position, like,
he's doing outstanding job.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know what. We got to give Houston's front off
of some credit here, John, They have done a really
good job. This This roster several years ago was a
bit of a mess. I don't care if it's getting
Stingley first round or Tank Dell in later rounds. They
got some dudes. When you watch Houston play, they got dudes.
They match up with almost everybody in the sport.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
You know, I said yesterday Eelichick fell apart when Josh left.
How about Nick Cassario as well. So he lost Casio,
he lost Josh McDaniels, and the whole thing kind of unraveled.
I've always heard I don't know him personally. Nick Cassia
is a really high level guy. Yes, hiring Demiko, who
I know is a really high level guy, watching him
for years in San Francisco. They got a really good
thing going. I think last year they could be the
number one seed. Obviously, the offensive line issues, well.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
They also fell apart at receiver. Their team is loaded.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I mean defensively, I think they have a chance to
be the best defense and one of the best defense.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's like sometimes you have to trust your eyes. When
I watched Seattle last year, I'm like, they got dudes.
I watch Houston like Houston's one of those teams you
watch play at Kansas City and you're like, they may
not have my homes, but they got guys everywhere that
can play.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
And think about this. We love the Lions Corps, that
young core.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
We talked about yesterday.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
The Houston Texans c J Stroud, Will Anderson, Derek Stingley
played on a team with Joe Burrow, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase.
I mean, we love that team. It's only aging better
as time goes on. Their players are in the Pro.
So I like the Texans a lot this year.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, having win their division as well. John Middlecoff with
the news.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well, that's the news.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And thanks for stopping back the.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Herd line news.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, it's often repeated on this show that offensive coaches
really help quarterbacks, especially young quarterbacks. So you know, I
was watching the discussion online last couple of days when
Shane Steichen decided and the wording was clear, Daniel Jones
is the starter this season. What it's telling you, it's
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sending a message, and the messages Anthony Richardson, he's a
backup this When Kyle Shanahan moved off, Trey Lance didn't
want to, did not want to. They gave up a
lot of picks. Its signaled to the league as Trey
is not a starter, he can be a backup, good kid.
And so somebody like like when Netflix passes on a script,
(26:58):
there's not a long list of mega hits from the
Netflix recycle bin. They know what they're doing. You know,
when the CEO and insiders are selling company stock, nobody
knows the company better than those people. You may not
want to buy a ton of it. And so I think,
I mean a prime example is Colin Kaepernick. When Colin
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Kaepernick had Jim Harbaugh, he was twenty five and fourteen
and got to conference championship games, a couple times in
the Super Bowl. Without Harbaugh, he was not an NFL
starting quarterback. He was three and sixteen quarterback rating in
the mid eighties. Colin Kaepernick, his career was a mess.
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Down the stretch, Harball made him a Super Bowl quarterback.
You took Harball when Harbaugh bail thought he was, you know,
set all the right stuff, but distracted, inconsistent, kind of
only at a fastball, not real nuanced as a thrower.
The minute Harball moved off him, he was a wreck.
And like anthonyan Richardson, this idea that he's going to
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go somewhere. I mean, Shane Steikin took Jalen Hurts. Jalen
Hurts before Shane Steiken completed fifty two percent of his throws.
He completed sixty six and a half percent with Shane Steikin.
So it's one of these things where don't outthink the room, like,
don't outthink the room.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
And then I think Kaepernick's better than Anthony richards And
I'm not saying that, but if you look at his
numbers without Jim Harbaugh, they're kind of Anthony Richardson a
big athletic guy who's not terribly deft at the pocket stuff,
not great at it, and doesn't win a lot of games.
And again, Kaepernick is better than Anthony richards And but
I think when somebody that really knows an industry or
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knows is like an insider, and Shane Stikeen knows quarterbacks.
Look at his numbers with Hertz and Herbert, like he
knows what he's doing. I mean, Shanahan made Matt shab
a pro bowler and Matt Ryan an MVP. That's why
it was inexplicable. The Cowboys are like, we'll give you
a fourth round pick for Trey Lance. Trey can be
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a backup. I mean Jim Arbos like, hey, put him
on the squad. I've had no problem with that. But
to me, it's like Anthony Richardson's not going to be
a starting quarterback in the league. Well, he's young. Nobody
cares about age. I do not care how old my
surgeon is fix me. I don't care how old my
pilot is. Well, I mean, listen, we hit the side
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of a mountain. But he's a young kid. He'll get
better land safely. I don't care about your age and
lack of experience that to you problem. So I just
think it sends a signal. Albert Breer was on earlier
this week on the Colts choosing Daniel Jones over Anthony.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
And an offense.
Speaker 9 (29:47):
The idea is, we got to be way more better
at taking way better at taking care of the ball
than we were in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
And so I think they feel.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
Like Daniel Jones, his ability to offer their upper the
offense's ability to protect the ball was just at a
higher level right now than Anthy Richardson. And there are
jobs on the line there this year, so they felt
like for the team they have right now, Daniel Jones was.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
The better answer.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And any other thing is this is not the NBA.
So because the NBA, more than any league, allows all
their video to go on YouTube, and there's clips everywhere
that the NBA, more than any sports league, has a
lot of fans that just watch the clips and they
don't watch the games like Baseball's always been like, you
can't use our video. So it's not as clip driven
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as NBA. And because of that, an NBA player can
be a legend and never win a playoff series. John
Wall I love John Wall in the awful East. He
could never win a playoff series as super super talented guy.
But the point being is the NBA that you judge
and you go, oh, I love this player because it's
a clip driven view. Like the NFL. We watch the games.
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It's not a highlight. You've got to complete third and
seven in the flat one hundred out of one hundred times.
You have to hit the layups. So the NBA, there's
a lot of players who are legendary or iconic and
they're not winning players, but the highlights are awesome, and
that's okay. It's a different sport, different culture. Eighty two
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game regular season. But I mean, LaMelo LaMelo Ball. I
don't want LaMelo Ball on my team. But Manny's a
good highlight guy. Remember Jason Williams out of like West Virginia,
Randy Moss's buddy. That guy was so much funny, almost
so much fun The clips were amazing and then you
I mean, he's doing bounce passes off the elbow and
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then you watch him over the course of a game
and you're like, yeah, that's a turnover machine, is out
of control. And so it's just different. In the NFL,
I've said this about Patrick Mahomes. If he completes twenty
seven throws, twenty four are twelve yards and in fourteen
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yards and in and about three times a game from
the pocket, Mahomes is magical. And one or two times
with his feet he's magical. Five times out of thirty
three dropbacks, You're like, WHOA. Same with Josh Allen. He
jumps over a linebacker, he makes two throws running against
his body. But this is you gotta get the layups.
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And Anthony just struggles with him. And I mean with
your career. He didn't average sixty percent completion rate high school,
college or the pros, And like, when your career go
look at career completion percentage. If it's under sixty, you're
not really you're probably not a starting quarterback. Now that
doesn't mean you can't get an offensive coach that can
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elevate you for a couple of years, but it's just
I mean, I'm looking at this right now. Look at
John Moran, six years in the league. His three point
shooting's gone down, Immature off the court, can't stay healthy.
But in this highlight driven league, I'm like, oh, in
top five guy in the league, It may not be
top twenty, can't shoot getting worse, can't stay healthy, not
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terribly mature. But I like watching the clips, and that
is a real NBA reality. You can be a Hall
of Famer, honestly without making the playoffs. Your clips are great,
your moments are great. It's not the NFL. It's just different.
You got to complete sixty four percent of your throws.
You gotta stay healthy, you know what I mean. You
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just passer ratings got to be mid nineties, are up.
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Speaker 1 (34:08):
In recent years, one of the best coaching jobs was
done by Kevin Stefanski of the Cleveland Browns in twenty
twenty three. In that division, he won eleven games, and
his quarterbacks were old creaky Joe Flacco, Aud Deshaun Watson,
P J. Walker, and Dorian Thompson Robinson. Kevin Stefanski's a
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hell of a coach, went to Penn. He knows more
than you do about offense. I know hard to believe
he does, and he knows more than me. He has
announced that Joe Flacco will start against the Rams twenty
five to thirty plays for the starters. Dylan Gabriel is
the backup. Shadoor Sanders is third. I know you've got
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your Shador slash Barry Sanders jersey you're wearing. And I've
said before I think Shadeur was underdrafted. I think he was,
but speeding tickets silliness. Dylan Gabriel is a much more
kind of centered, serious kid, and Shadeur is third. I
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gotta trust Stefanski. Guy won eleven games with like musical
chairs at quarterback in twenty twenty three in the AFC
in a division with the Ravens. Joe Burrow, he won
eleven games. He knows more than I do. I know
you are absolutely sure you could be president. You would
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do a better job. The where we live and everybody's
an expert. Everybody's an epidemiologist during a pandemic. Kevin Stefanski's
a smart guy. It's one of the two IVY League
coaches in the league. He's a pretty smart guy. He
won eleven games with that nonsense in twenty twenty three.
He's got Dylan Gabriel two and Shadur three. Greg Coosel
was on twenty five minutes ago and I asked him,
what you've seen both of them play in the preseason.
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What do you see.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Offensive coaches they think about how does a player work
within my scheme?
Speaker 5 (36:09):
And what Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Is is he's essentially stylistically similar to a tu attaga Iloa.
Sanders is a little different player. He's not quite as rhythmic,
and he has a tendency. And this showed up on tape,
by the way, even though the good outweighed the bad
when he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift
a little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in
the pocket. You know how many quarterbacks are the Browns
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going to keep? No team keeps four quarterbacks, So it's
going to be interesting going down the stretch here, and
so then Sanders got hurt and missed some time in practice,
and that's not going.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
To help him.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
So let's be honest. The entire NFL told you he's
a fifth round pick, and the Browns are telling you
he's a third string quarterback. He was overvalued. I'm guilty
as charged. I thought, Oh, I can see him fall
into the second round. I guess I'm wrong, But the
league told you. And by the way, seven teams annually
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are desperate for quarterback and another fifteen are desperate for
a backup. The whole league pass for four rounds, and
many of us believe Jimmy Haslam, the owner of the Browns,
is the one that nudged the front office into drafting him.
So the brown drafted Dylan Gabriel two rounds before. So
you can run to your Reddit board and dog pound
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dot com and say it's a conspiracy. But the whole
league told you he's a fifth round quarterback, and the
Browns are telling you. Kevin Stefanski, who won eleven games
in twenty twenty three with nonsense in a division with
the Ravens well in the AFC, he's like his third
string quarterback. I you know, I think I'm pretty good
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on the quarterback thing. Now that Sam Darnold can play,
I haven't missed a ton on quarterbacks. I thought, I thought, Shaner,
I thought, I don't know. I watched Jackson Dart with
better teammates. I watched Shador with a bad college O
line and no run game be really productive, productive against
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much better rosters, much much better rosters. But the league
and the Browns, they're they're telling you, eh, eh, I mean,
I know this is hard for guys, but sometimes you
have to admit there are people that are are behind
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the rope. They have access, they see stuff. I mean,
it sounded like to me. Remember Greg Cosel said a
couple of weeks ago on the show. He said, he said,
Shadour is accurate, but he's not as accurate as the
analysts are saying. The film tells you he's not that accurate.
He's accurate, but h And for the record, the Browns
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have everything to gain on Shadur plane. If Shador, I mean,
if Schedeur could be the star, are you kidding me?
That would be unbelievable as a fifth RAFP pick. Look
what it's done to the Niners. You can stack your roster,
you can get out from under that horrible Deshaun Watson contract.
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They would love, they would love for chahdur as a
fifth round pick, to be a starting quarterback. There's no
there's no advantage to the Browns bearing him. And I said,
I looked at Dylan Gabriel in college, and my take
was he had great coaching and talent at Oregon. He's
just too small. He's going to struggle kind of seeing
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the field, and he's acknowledged he can. I just I
just thought, I mean, he, you know, he looked smaller,
and I'd seen photos of him next to other, you know,
athletes at Oregon, and I thought, I just don't see
that as an NFL quarterback. I do. I've always said
size matters unless you're like Kyler Murray or Russell Wilson
in your prime and you can run around and you're
so elusive. That's not Dylan Gabriel. Schador's a legit six
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to two. Shadour moves well enough and he was really
accurate behind with no talent around him at Colorado. But
Stefanski knows more than I do, and I trust him,
and there's no value in bearing him. I would love
to be on dog Poundbarks dot com today, I bet
you our website is lit. I bet they're going crazy
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and everybody stinks but us in Cleveland dot com. I
would love to be on that. I don't have my
phone with me. Dogs by Nature is that the big one?
That site is roaring today, John, what do you make
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of it?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Didn't Sefanski tell you what he thought about Shador when
he had the chance to take him in the third
round and he took another quarterback. And even if you say, well,
the GMS pick the players, no one picks a quarterback
for an offensive head coach. That's the offensive head coach,
even if he's not the boss in the draft room.
Quarterbacks are his baby. He chose Dylan Gabriel in the
third round. Now we can disagree, and I do that
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was a little crazy, but he clearly likes Dylan Gabriel.
I mean, it's not debatable. And Dylan Gabriel as what two, three, four,
five years worth of college experience that they're basing this
off of.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
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this is this is good. Dog Biscuit dot com. Let's
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's a Thursday. We're in Chicago. It
is our number two. By the way, last night, John,
I went to a restaurant, John, you and I went
to in Chicago. I am here to tell you. If
a restaurant has a pork chop on the menu, order
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it because nobody puts it on there unless they're good
at it. Everybody has to put Like you know, you
go to an Italian restaurant, you gotta put lazag on
the menu, whether you're good at it or not. You
go to a steakhouse, Yella steak salmon restaurant puts a
pork shop and it's not like a steakhouse. You need
to order that puppy because I did last night, and
I walked home and no man in America was happier
(01:09):
than me last night, John, not even you, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
And I spoke to my wife and she ordered some
obscure item on door dash and hated it. I said, Maria,
we can't keep ordering these crazy items. Just the pork chop,
the steak, the chicken. What's not out?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Think the room.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's not out, think the room. Well that and that's
Greg Cosel. He doesn't outthink the film. Forty six years
at NFL Films Thursdays during the football season. We love him.
So all right, So I let let's this is where
I lean on you. So I think Shador is bigger.
I think he I think he's really accurate. But he's
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a different quarterback than Dylan Gabriel. They are different quarterbacks.
You've watched all you know, you watched Dylan, You've watched Shadure.
What does the film say? What? What? What do you see?
What is who does Stefanski trust? Who do you face
in pressure? What is the film saying? The Browns young quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
So I think we're trying to figure out who's going
to be quarterback number three on.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
The Browns right right?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, you know, Dylan Gabriel is a player that Stefanski
really liked because the way it works in the league, Colin,
and you know this is offensive. Coaches, they think about
how does a player work.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Within my scheme? And what Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Is is he's essentially stylistically similar to a too attaga
Iloa in that he hits his back foot and the
ball comes out. He's a rhythm player. He's a timing player.
That's his game. He's a shorter quarterback, so he needs
to play that way and he did that effectively for
two years in college, one at Oklahoma, one at Oregon.
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Sanders is a little different player. He's not quite as rhythmic,
and he has a tendency. And this showed up on tape,
by the way, even though the good outweighed the bad
when he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift
a little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in
the pocket.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Now, he can throw the ball well, but there are
some things he would have to clean up clearly. And
you know, he came from a program in Colorado where
there were a ton of tunnel screens, a ton of
easy throws.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
He would need to learn.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
How to better navigate the pocket, although he showed some
signs of that. But again, I think we're talking about
you know, how many quarterbacks are the Browns going to keep.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
No team keeps.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Four quarterbacks, so it's going to be interesting going down
the stretch here. And then Sanders got hurt and missed
some time in practice, and that's not going to help him.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I mean what you're saying basically, and we've seen this
from offensive coaches before, run my play. Sean Payton loves Bonnicks,
but he really likes him because he runs his play effectively.
And what you're saying is Dylan Gabriel, like a TUA,
runs the play they call should do or sometimes ad
libs out of it. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
It's not that he ad libs out of it. He's
not as efficient in that style of just hitting his
back foot and getting the ball out. You know, that's
the way Dylan Gabriel has always had to play because
of his size.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
So, but that's the way.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Coaches think, and I'm not sure a lot of people
think that way and understand that is coaches. The term
that's used a lot with in the NFL is scheme adaptability.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Coaches think on both sides of the ball in terms
of how does the guy fit into my scheme.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Can he run my scheme? You know?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
You know this coaches worked sixteen hours a day and
they're putting in their scheme, their game plan.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
It starts with OTAs. They want all this.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Executed, and when it's not executed, then it becomes a problem.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah. So brog Purty, when the roster was younger, healthier,
less brittle, was a really, really good quarterback. Last year
roster gets beat up. He's won in six against playoff teams.
Now right now in camp, their wide receiving cores in
complete shambles and open up against a pretty lively athletic
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Seattle defense up in the Northwest. That's a tough opener.
So when you looked at film last year of Purdy
going one in six down the stretch against playoff teams
that he couldn't make certain throws, was it that the
yards after cas were limited, like one in six from
Purdy kind of jumps out at you when you look
at his early success. Now without Christian McCaffrey, it's a
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different offense. But what did the films say about Purty
last year when he had to start games with a
patchwork group around him.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Well, it's funny you mentioned Purdy, because last week I
watched two hundred and fifty dropbacks of Purdy over a.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Two day period. Purdy is a really good quarterback, Colin.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
The thing with Purdy is he's not Josh Allen or
Patrick Mahomes. He's not necessarily the kind of quarterback, even
though he does have mobility that's going to make those
kinds of plays by himself. Now we think of, you
know that I'm Mahomes making Allen make, so Lamar makes.
He certainly doesn't navigate the pocket the way Joe Burrow does.
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But in terms of being what we call a post
snap operator, in other words, when he takes the snap,
he has such an intuitive feel for what he sees,
and therefore he's a really really good timing and anticipation thrower.
It's just innate to him. He sees it really quickly.
So Purdy is a high level post snap operator. He's
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a really really good player. You know, it gets to
that old question of how many quarterbacks, Colin and you
can go back years and years are really great when
their team's not very good. I mean that's you know,
Purdy is a really good quarterback. He's just not a
dynamic athlete. Who's necessarily going to make those kind of
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special plays on his own. But as a pocket quarterback,
he's pretty high level.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Boy, too bad, Jason McIntyre's now on the show today.
He'd be doing backflips after that. Okay, Williams, I went
through the schedule this week and I said, listen, Chicago
historically has struggled in Division. They went one in five
last year in the Vision. They don't have Detroit Ross,
they may not have Green Bay's coach or quarterback, and
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Minnesota's rosters better front to back as well. So what
have you seen with Caleb what I'll address it this way,
What is Ben Johnson doing to Caleb? Where has he
made strides improving Caleb from what the film said last year?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Well, I think the number one thing is not when
he throws the ball. He's a great thrower of the football,
that is evident. Everybody knows that. And he's obviously a
great athlete who can make plays on the move. The
main part for Caleb Williams and the key for Ben
Johnson is everything from the huddle until the ball is snapped.
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Because they call multiple plays in the huddle, there's a
lot of shifts, there's a lot of motions. You've got
to be to do that with the necessary speed and efficiency.
So you get to the line of scrimmage and there's
time enough on the shot clock because you're going to
have the shifts, You're going to have the motions. Now
it's up to Caleb to decide if there's two plays called,
which one am I going to run? That part of
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quarterbacking is the bigger deal for Caleb Williams as he's
learning the Ben Johnson offense, because Ben Johnson will set
you up beautifully with defined and clean reads and throws,
and Caleb Williams throws it as well as anybody.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I mean, you can see that. Everybody knew that when
he came out. That was never the issue.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
But it's really from the point of the huddle until
the ball is snapped that's going to be the main
part that he has to become efficient at.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So so much of there's such an advantage for a
Jaden Daniels getting at Cliff Kingsbury, where a Justin Fields
has had a lot of defensive coaches. I do think
Sean Payton bow Nicks, I don't think bow would have
been that good had he had a defensive coach perhaps
I think I think just offensive coaches and quarterbacks. There's
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they rebuild all lines quicker. There's a sensibility about it.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So I look at Jackson Dart. Three years with Lane
Kiffin is high level coaching, and then he gets Brian
Dable more than capable in a playoff game with Daniel Jones.
And my thing is, you can you can tell me
that he's not quite ready. But three years a lane
and a camp with Brian Dable. When you look at
the film of Jackson Dart in preseason, do you see
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areas where oh, whoa, whoa, he's not ready or does
he see the field? What does the film tell you?
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well, they really did a good job in the preseason
of allowing him to get comfortable. And that's what the
preseason really is. For a lot of empty sets. Okay,
he's very comfortable in empty sets.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
It spreads the field.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
They got a lot of base defensive looks that were
not difficult to read. They played a little bit up tempo,
which he certainly used to in Lane Tiffin. So they
did a lot of things that help him really get comfortable.
So when he's on the field, you know he's not
going through major progressions here. He's not doing that if
he becomes the starter, and we'll see how all this
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plays out. You know, who knows what's going on there.
But I don't know how you feel. But there's a
part of me that wouldn't be surprised if he's named
the starter. But we'll see how that plays out. But
they tried to make it easy for him so that
he can make confident throws, which he did, and he
obviously has movement ability so well. You know, obviously when
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the regular season starts and teams game plan, things get
different because you're going to see a lot of different things.
But he certainly was efficient, just like Caleb Williams was
super efficient against the Bills. You know, second and thirdeen players.
But that's what you want. You want efficiency, so the
quarterback feels good.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I said, I didn't think the Steelers was a great
choice by Aaron Rodgers, much like the Jets defensive head coach,
unpredictable offensive line inability in recent years to run the ball,
And I said, it's just this is an offensive line
under Mike Tomlin that has had six years and not
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a lot to show for it. They have not run
the ball consistently, they lose Najie Harris, their left tackle,
and I just thought San Francisco, Minnesota, I thought there
were better spots for him. So if you go back
to the Jets and Aaron last year in the film,
it could look a little bit like the Steelers to me,
are a better run version of the Jets, right, like
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a better front office, a better coach. Go back to
the Jets last year. Is Aaron way past his prime?
Does he do anything that resembles the great Aaron?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
He he throws the ball super well. You know, I think
when you sign Aaron Rodgers owhen he's your quarterback. To me,
the bigger issue is how you mesh would you want
to do as an offensive coordinator, And it's Arthur Smith
with the fact that one of rogers his greatest strengths
has always been his ability to control the game at
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the line of scrimmage and then be able to adjust
and change plays. So that I think for an offensive coordinator,
that's something that you really have to work on because
you don't want to take that away from Aaron Rodgers,
Because anybody who works with Aaron Rodgers will tell you
he's among the smartest quarterbacks they've ever seen, and he's
so good at the line of scrimmage in controlling the game.
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So to me, the larger question is how do you mesh?
How does author Smith mesh what he wants to do
with his offense because he's got a clearly defined offensive
approach with the fact that Aaron Rodgers is so good
at the line of scrimmage and likes to change things
based on what he sees.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, So an interesting storyline that has developed this offseason
in training camp and in the preseason is Matthew Stafford's help.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So if you think about last year, the Rams were
driving in the snow and Philadelphia after a Puka Nakuah
completion to beat the Philadelphia Eagles, who tramps Kansas City
in the Super Bowl. So my take is the defense,
there's a lot of talent. I'm sure the film says that,
especially in the box, there's a lot of talent up front.
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But when I look at their offense and their point
differential last year, does the film tell you this is
really this is about McVeigh and Stafford's brilliance, not really
the offensive roster composition. Because I said the other day,
I said, if Matt Stafford doesn't play. This is the
only team in the league that could win the Super
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Bowl or finish four and thirteen, because I think even
Kansas City with their roster and their overall talent and
coaching could win seven eight games of Mahomes got banged up.
When you look at the Rams on film, what is
their offense? Is it basically the brilliance of two guys
and kind of a limited offensive roster.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
To some extent.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I mean, they don't have a great offensive roster, and
certainly the wide receiver position now is they don't have
great players there. You know, Nikup is really good, but
he's a certain kind of player, and Stafford has just
always been so good and another guy that is really
good at understanding what he's seeing, changing plays, calling audibles,
still has a big time arm, can make any throw
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an aggressive thrower, which you really need to be in
the NFL. And McVeigh has always been so good in
terms of formations, shifts, motions, getting guys open, making it
tough for the defense. But yeah, you're right, offensively, they
do not have great players throughout that offense. And Stafford's
injury the back particularly, you know, don't forget he had
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back injuries when he was twenty five and twenty six.
This is not brand new, and now he's I think
thirty seven. So you know, I love watching Matthew Stafford play.
He's always been one of my favorite guys to watch
on film. But I'd be a little concerned about that
back injury. You know, that's a tough deal as you
get older.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay, finally, you know, I've always loved Sam Darnald. Last
year yea through fourteen weeks, it was a very fun
story for me. But when you watched him, was it
about Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson. Do you see him
going to Seattle with a defensive coach with an offensive
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line that was bad last year? Do you think he
replicates it? Is he now overvalued based on a remarkable coach,
Justin Jefferson, solid run game. Where are you on Sam
Donald off of last season? What does the film tell you?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Well?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I think that the reason that Seattle wanted Donald is
because with Kubiak there as the OC, they're going to
run a lot of similar concepts as the Vikings did.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
They're putting them under center.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Because I believe Donald last year was either the second
or third most dropbacks. As a conventional play action quarterback meeting,
he was under center. That's what he did really well
under Kevin O'Connell, and that's what Kubiak is going to do.
They're going to start with the outside zone run game,
put Donald under center, and let the play action game
be a foundation of what they do. There's less reading
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involved in the play action game, particularly when you're under center.
It holds the second level defenders better because they have
a longer time to wait to see if it's run
or pass. So I think the thought process was Donald
was very good running that style of offense, that philosophical style,
and now we're going to do something very similar and Colin.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
By the way, most quarterbacks need.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
A particular style, a particular philosophy to be effective. There's
very few transcendent quarterbacks that you can just say, let's
do anything and they'll be great. So that to me
is not a knock on Donald. That's the way it
is with most quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Greg Cosel forty six years NFL films this point forward.
For the next twenty twenty two weeks, it's going to
be Greg co Sell on Thursdays as always great sing.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
You thanks, Corn, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You bet well, Middle Coff. You and mac jmack have
been sell me on Brock party for years. You know,
look eat a little crow there. He loves him on film.
But I do think that opener for San Francisco on
the road against Mike McDonald's defense and they're basically going
to be using number three, four and five wide receivers.
That's I do think that is a tough opener. Would
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you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
If he lights them up? Will you apologize to him?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
If Brock Purty lights up Seattle, Yes, he's done it before,
like seven times. But little come uppings for me, perhaps
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Speaker 1 (18:23):
Welcome back in halfway through at Urban Meyer will be
joining us in the last hour. He thinks that Jim
Harbaugh should be suspended in the NFL. I think what's
happening in college football, which is between the nil and
the transfer portal. It's a little bit of the wild
Wild West. They have put some bumpers into the bowling lanes,
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but you can buy high school players now, and so
for me, I'm not getting worked up over an iPhone
shaky video some labeling it KGB level by Connor Stallions.
I you know, listen, I think they got they're gonna
get fined the loose thirty million dollars and uh, Jim
Harbaugh can't come back into college coaching. But I think Michigan,
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if this quarterback they got can play and this coach
can coach, they're fine. I think the easiest thing for
a big brand to do in college football or college
basketball is right at check. You don't want to lose,
you know, you don't want to lose bowl practices. You
don't want to have vacated wins, and so I think
Michigan could be fine as long as the coach can coach. Now,
if you find out by this year you got the
wrong guy coach and you have to go get another coach,
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he may be turned off by all this stuff Michigan's
dealing with and the noise and in your field, your
options may be limited. But let's wait and see if
this guy's the right coach. Because the quarterback, then the
recruited with the nil money, a big time player. John
Middlecoff with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Okay, Colin, your guy, Baker Mayfield. He's had a career resurgence,
leading the play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the playoffs
in both seasons, says taking.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Over for Tom Bray.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Tampa won ten games last year, and there's a lot
of expectations surrounding the team, but Baker says, no matter
the expectations, it doesn't change the team's approach and their
ultimate goal is a Super Bowl. Baker, he's twenty five
to one to win the MVP, and he's coming off
career highs in completion percentage, yards, touchdowns, and passer rating. Colin,
what are your expectations for Baker Mayfield in Tampa this year?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Well, I have him winning the division, mostly because I
just don't I don't necessarily trust what Atlanta is, So
I'm going to go with Baker to win the division.
I do think Atlanta. I think Atlanta beat Tampa twice
last year. I think I like Pennex, you like him.
I do worry about losing two offensive linemen here in
preseason because they already moved off Drew Dolman an excellent
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top five or six center. So I'm going to give
Baker the division. I feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, I mean I'm not only giving them the division.
I think Atlanta is gonna be in shambles if their
offensive line falls apart as I think Carolina can finish second.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
But I actually like Baker twenty five to one.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I think it's one of the better long shot You
know MVP bets on the board. Typically it's Tom Brady, Peyton, Manning, Mahomes,
Aaron Rodgers, Lamarge, But every once in a while there's
a Matt Ryan. He was the number one overall pick,
He's won a Heisman. There's a lot of momentum for
this player. What if you tell me that Baker throws
forty five touchdowns. Chris Godwin was just activated off pup.
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You know, Mike Evans, they draft a first round wide
receiver from Ohose State that everyone loves Bucky. Their offense
is gonna be awesome. Baker the last two years has
put guys Kanalis and Liam Cohen become head coaches on
his watch.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, something big like Russell Wilson could ever do that.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean, I think there's a lot of momentum for
Baker Mayfield at end of this season.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
How about you Mecha Obuka the receiver from wide receiver.
How about throw this up dark horse Offensive Rookie of
the Year.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
What if they double dip MVP Offensive Rookie of the Year.
I mean, if he gets ten touchdowns and Baker throws forty.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Five and they'd have to win, you couldn't win ten.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But if I told you they won twelve or thirteen
games and they were the two seed behind the Eagles,
I think, you know, assuming that Josh Allen lamar a
little fatigue, Mahomes probably won't have the numbers.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I think I think it's possibility. Speaking of a team
that will not have the MVP. The Jets.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
They're coming off a bad preseason loss of the Giants
last week, and in response, they held a secretive quote,
players only practice without the media, assistant coaches president. But
the problem here, Colin, is there was a coach there.
It was the head coach, Aaron Glenn. During the practice,
players reportedly conducted their own drills, called their own plays
so the players could take ownership of what was going on.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Colin, what do you think of this? I don't like it.
I'm I don't know. I said it when he was hired.
I don't. I mean lessen half the coordinators should hire
don't work like that. I mean, when you hire Jim Harbaugh,
it's gonna work. Or when Kansas City hires Andy Reid,
it's gonna work. Or when Denver hire Sean Payton. There's
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certain things like Mike McCarthy and Dallas. You thought it
would be somewhat successful.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
It was.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Co Ordinators are fifty to fifty at best, and the
defensive coordinators feel like it's less than fifty to fifty.
I just I get a vibe that this thing could
roll backwards fast.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Well, I think one problem obviously, they do have a
lot of good young players, Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Quinn Williams.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Their quarterback play justin Field.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Seems like a great guy and he was really impressive
the way he's handed the last couple of years. But
he's not a very good football player at quarterback. I mean,
he struggles to pass. So I think offensively they're going
to be in shambles. Obviously, the Bills are a powerhouse.
The Patriots are going to be a lot better. I know,
we we love kind of dragging the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think the.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Jets are gonna be pretty bad as well. It's gone
gonna be a long season. Speaking of a team that's
not gonna be bad. To Houston Texans and their star
corner Derek Stingley Junior. He had a hell of the
season in twenty twenty four, earning a Pro Bowl selection
being named first team All Pro.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He got a big contract.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
His head coach, high level guy, Demiko Ryans, had some
high per for the young player.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Derek definitely man definitely has one of the best hands
that I've seen.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
From the corner perspective.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
You can throw in, you know, Coach Brown some great
hands as well.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
But Derek, he's a unique player.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
He's very talented, very gifted, and for me, what I'm
most encouraged about. You see, from when I first got here,
to see where Stingley has grown to and what he's
become is like, it's very impressive to watch to see
the growth of a player, the development of him and
for him to be just the top of the top
of this craft, top of the game as a cornerback position, like,
he's doing outstanding job.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know what. We got to give Houston's front off
of some credit here, John, They have done a really
good job. This This roster several years ago was a
bit of a mess. I don't care if it's getting
Stingley first round or Tank Dell in later rounds. They
got some dudes. When you watch Houston play, they got dudes.
They match up with almost everybody in the sport.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
You know, I said yesterday Eelichick fell apart when Josh left.
How about Nick Cassario as well. So he lost Casio,
he lost Josh McDaniels, and the whole thing kind of unraveled.
I've always heard I don't know him personally. Nick Cassia
is a really high level guy. Yes, hiring Demiko, who
I know is a really high level guy, watching him
for years in San Francisco. They got a really good
thing going. I think last year they could be the
number one seed. Obviously, the offensive line issues, well.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
They also fell apart at receiver. Their team is loaded.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I mean defensively, I think they have a chance to
be the best defense and one of the best defense.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's like sometimes you have to trust your eyes. When
I watched Seattle last year, I'm like, they got dudes.
I watch Houston like Houston's one of those teams you
watch play at Kansas City and you're like, they may
not have my homes, but they got guys everywhere that
can play.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
And think about this. We love the Lions Corps, that
young core.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
We talked about yesterday.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
The Houston Texans c J Stroud, Will Anderson, Derek Stingley
played on a team with Joe Burrow, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase.
I mean, we love that team. It's only aging better
as time goes on. Their players are in the Pro.
So I like the Texans a lot this year.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, having win their division as well. John Middlecoff with
the news.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well, that's the news.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And thanks for stopping back the.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Herd line news.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, it's often repeated on this show that offensive coaches
really help quarterbacks, especially young quarterbacks. So you know, I
was watching the discussion online last couple of days when
Shane Steichen decided and the wording was clear, Daniel Jones
is the starter this season. What it's telling you, it's
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sending a message, and the messages Anthony Richardson, he's a
backup this When Kyle Shanahan moved off, Trey Lance didn't
want to, did not want to. They gave up a
lot of picks. Its signaled to the league as Trey
is not a starter, he can be a backup, good kid.
And so somebody like like when Netflix passes on a script,
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there's not a long list of mega hits from the
Netflix recycle bin. They know what they're doing. You know,
when the CEO and insiders are selling company stock, nobody
knows the company better than those people. You may not
want to buy a ton of it. And so I think,
I mean a prime example is Colin Kaepernick. When Colin
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Kaepernick had Jim Harbaugh, he was twenty five and fourteen
and got to conference championship games, a couple times in
the Super Bowl. Without Harbaugh, he was not an NFL
starting quarterback. He was three and sixteen quarterback rating in
the mid eighties. Colin Kaepernick, his career was a mess.
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Down the stretch, Harball made him a Super Bowl quarterback.
You took Harball when Harbaugh bail thought he was, you know,
set all the right stuff, but distracted, inconsistent, kind of
only at a fastball, not real nuanced as a thrower.
The minute Harball moved off him, he was a wreck.
And like anthonyan Richardson, this idea that he's going to
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go somewhere. I mean, Shane Steikin took Jalen Hurts. Jalen
Hurts before Shane Steiken completed fifty two percent of his throws.
He completed sixty six and a half percent with Shane Steikin.
So it's one of these things where don't outthink the room, like,
don't outthink the room.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
And then I think Kaepernick's better than Anthony richards And
I'm not saying that, but if you look at his
numbers without Jim Harbaugh, they're kind of Anthony Richardson a
big athletic guy who's not terribly deft at the pocket stuff,
not great at it, and doesn't win a lot of games.
And again, Kaepernick is better than Anthony richards And but
I think when somebody that really knows an industry or
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knows is like an insider, and Shane Stikeen knows quarterbacks.
Look at his numbers with Hertz and Herbert, like he
knows what he's doing. I mean, Shanahan made Matt shab
a pro bowler and Matt Ryan an MVP. That's why
it was inexplicable. The Cowboys are like, we'll give you
a fourth round pick for Trey Lance. Trey can be
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a backup. I mean Jim Arbos like, hey, put him
on the squad. I've had no problem with that. But
to me, it's like Anthony Richardson's not going to be
a starting quarterback in the league. Well, he's young. Nobody
cares about age. I do not care how old my
surgeon is fix me. I don't care how old my
pilot is. Well, I mean, listen, we hit the side
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of a mountain. But he's a young kid. He'll get
better land safely. I don't care about your age and
lack of experience that to you problem. So I just
think it sends a signal. Albert Breer was on earlier
this week on the Colts choosing Daniel Jones over Anthony.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
And an offense.
Speaker 9 (29:47):
The idea is, we got to be way more better
at taking way better at taking care of the ball
than we were in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
And so I think they feel.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
Like Daniel Jones, his ability to offer their upper the
offense's ability to protect the ball was just at a
higher level right now than Anthy Richardson. And there are
jobs on the line there this year, so they felt
like for the team they have right now, Daniel Jones was.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
The better answer.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And any other thing is this is not the NBA.
So because the NBA, more than any league, allows all
their video to go on YouTube, and there's clips everywhere
that the NBA, more than any sports league, has a
lot of fans that just watch the clips and they
don't watch the games like Baseball's always been like, you
can't use our video. So it's not as clip driven
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as NBA. And because of that, an NBA player can
be a legend and never win a playoff series. John
Wall I love John Wall in the awful East. He
could never win a playoff series as super super talented guy.
But the point being is the NBA that you judge
and you go, oh, I love this player because it's
a clip driven view. Like the NFL. We watch the games.
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It's not a highlight. You've got to complete third and
seven in the flat one hundred out of one hundred times.
You have to hit the layups. So the NBA, there's
a lot of players who are legendary or iconic and
they're not winning players, but the highlights are awesome, and
that's okay. It's a different sport, different culture. Eighty two
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game regular season. But I mean, LaMelo LaMelo Ball. I
don't want LaMelo Ball on my team. But Manny's a
good highlight guy. Remember Jason Williams out of like West Virginia,
Randy Moss's buddy. That guy was so much funny, almost
so much fun The clips were amazing and then you
I mean, he's doing bounce passes off the elbow and
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then you watch him over the course of a game
and you're like, yeah, that's a turnover machine, is out
of control. And so it's just different. In the NFL,
I've said this about Patrick Mahomes. If he completes twenty
seven throws, twenty four are twelve yards and in fourteen
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yards and in and about three times a game from
the pocket, Mahomes is magical. And one or two times
with his feet he's magical. Five times out of thirty
three dropbacks, You're like, WHOA. Same with Josh Allen. He
jumps over a linebacker, he makes two throws running against
his body. But this is you gotta get the layups.
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And Anthony just struggles with him. And I mean with
your career. He didn't average sixty percent completion rate high school,
college or the pros, And like, when your career go
look at career completion percentage. If it's under sixty, you're
not really you're probably not a starting quarterback. Now that
doesn't mean you can't get an offensive coach that can
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elevate you for a couple of years, but it's just
I mean, I'm looking at this right now. Look at
John Moran, six years in the league. His three point
shooting's gone down, Immature off the court, can't stay healthy.
But in this highlight driven league, I'm like, oh, in
top five guy in the league, It may not be
top twenty, can't shoot getting worse, can't stay healthy, not
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terribly mature. But I like watching the clips, and that
is a real NBA reality. You can be a Hall
of Famer, honestly without making the playoffs. Your clips are great,
your moments are great. It's not the NFL. It's just different.
You got to complete sixty four percent of your throws.
You gotta stay healthy, you know what I mean. You
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just passer ratings got to be mid nineties, are up.
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Speaker 1 (34:08):
In recent years, one of the best coaching jobs was
done by Kevin Stefanski of the Cleveland Browns in twenty
twenty three. In that division, he won eleven games, and
his quarterbacks were old creaky Joe Flacco, Aud Deshaun Watson,
P J. Walker, and Dorian Thompson Robinson. Kevin Stefanski's a
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hell of a coach, went to Penn. He knows more
than you do about offense. I know hard to believe
he does, and he knows more than me. He has
announced that Joe Flacco will start against the Rams twenty
five to thirty plays for the starters. Dylan Gabriel is
the backup. Shadoor Sanders is third. I know you've got
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your Shador slash Barry Sanders jersey you're wearing. And I've
said before I think Shadeur was underdrafted. I think he was,
but speeding tickets silliness. Dylan Gabriel is a much more
kind of centered, serious kid, and Shadeur is third. I
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gotta trust Stefanski. Guy won eleven games with like musical
chairs at quarterback in twenty twenty three in the AFC
in a division with the Ravens. Joe Burrow, he won
eleven games. He knows more than I do. I know
you are absolutely sure you could be president. You would
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do a better job. The where we live and everybody's
an expert. Everybody's an epidemiologist during a pandemic. Kevin Stefanski's
a smart guy. It's one of the two IVY League
coaches in the league. He's a pretty smart guy. He
won eleven games with that nonsense in twenty twenty three.
He's got Dylan Gabriel two and Shadur three. Greg Coosel
was on twenty five minutes ago and I asked him,
what you've seen both of them play in the preseason.
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What do you see.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Offensive coaches they think about how does a player work
within my scheme?
Speaker 5 (36:09):
And what Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Is is he's essentially stylistically similar to a tu attaga Iloa.
Sanders is a little different player. He's not quite as rhythmic,
and he has a tendency. And this showed up on tape,
by the way, even though the good outweighed the bad
when he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift
a little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in
the pocket. You know how many quarterbacks are the Browns
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going to keep? No team keeps four quarterbacks, So it's
going to be interesting going down the stretch here, and
so then Sanders got hurt and missed some time in practice,
and that's not going.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
To help him.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
So let's be honest. The entire NFL told you he's
a fifth round pick, and the Browns are telling you
he's a third string quarterback. He was overvalued. I'm guilty
as charged. I thought, Oh, I can see him fall
into the second round. I guess I'm wrong, But the
league told you. And by the way, seven teams annually
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are desperate for quarterback and another fifteen are desperate for
a backup. The whole league pass for four rounds, and
many of us believe Jimmy Haslam, the owner of the Browns,
is the one that nudged the front office into drafting him.
So the brown drafted Dylan Gabriel two rounds before. So
you can run to your Reddit board and dog pound
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dot com and say it's a conspiracy. But the whole
league told you he's a fifth round quarterback, and the
Browns are telling you. Kevin Stefanski, who won eleven games
in twenty twenty three with nonsense in a division with
the Ravens well in the AFC, he's like his third
string quarterback. I you know, I think I'm pretty good
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on the quarterback thing. Now that Sam Darnold can play,
I haven't missed a ton on quarterbacks. I thought, I thought, Shaner,
I thought, I don't know. I watched Jackson Dart with
better teammates. I watched Shador with a bad college O
line and no run game be really productive, productive against
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much better rosters, much much better rosters. But the league
and the Browns, they're they're telling you, eh, eh, I mean,
I know this is hard for guys, but sometimes you
have to admit there are people that are are behind
(38:30):
the rope. They have access, they see stuff. I mean,
it sounded like to me. Remember Greg Cosel said a
couple of weeks ago on the show. He said, he said,
Shadour is accurate, but he's not as accurate as the
analysts are saying. The film tells you he's not that accurate.
He's accurate, but h And for the record, the Browns
(38:51):
have everything to gain on Shadur plane. If Shador, I mean,
if Schedeur could be the star, are you kidding me?
That would be unbelievable as a fifth RAFP pick. Look
what it's done to the Niners. You can stack your roster,
you can get out from under that horrible Deshaun Watson contract.
(39:12):
They would love, they would love for chahdur as a
fifth round pick, to be a starting quarterback. There's no
there's no advantage to the Browns bearing him. And I said,
I looked at Dylan Gabriel in college, and my take
was he had great coaching and talent at Oregon. He's
just too small. He's going to struggle kind of seeing
(39:33):
the field, and he's acknowledged he can. I just I
just thought, I mean, he, you know, he looked smaller,
and I'd seen photos of him next to other, you know,
athletes at Oregon, and I thought, I just don't see
that as an NFL quarterback. I do. I've always said
size matters unless you're like Kyler Murray or Russell Wilson
in your prime and you can run around and you're
so elusive. That's not Dylan Gabriel. Schador's a legit six
(39:54):
to two. Shadour moves well enough and he was really
accurate behind with no talent around him at Colorado. But
Stefanski knows more than I do, and I trust him,
and there's no value in bearing him. I would love
to be on dog Poundbarks dot com today, I bet
you our website is lit. I bet they're going crazy
(40:18):
and everybody stinks but us in Cleveland dot com. I
would love to be on that. I don't have my
phone with me. Dogs by Nature is that the big one?
That site is roaring today, John, what do you make
(40:38):
of it?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Didn't Sefanski tell you what he thought about Shador when
he had the chance to take him in the third
round and he took another quarterback. And even if you say, well,
the GMS pick the players, no one picks a quarterback
for an offensive head coach. That's the offensive head coach,
even if he's not the boss in the draft room.
Quarterbacks are his baby. He chose Dylan Gabriel in the
third round. Now we can disagree, and I do that
(41:00):
was a little crazy, but he clearly likes Dylan Gabriel.
I mean, it's not debatable. And Dylan Gabriel as what two, three, four,
five years worth of college experience that they're basing this
off of.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Let's check out Wolfwolf dot com and see what they're saying. Man,
this is this is good. Dog Biscuit dot com. Let's
go check it out right now. Hour three now
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