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We're in Chicago. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day. You know, it's It's an interesting
thing that I've noticed this over the course of my life.
Is that and I watch a lot of clips. John
Business clips Jeff Bezos constantly gives fascinating advice. I often
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share those with my management at my company. The volume
I'm sharing clips and one of the things I have
noticed over the course of my life it can be
Larry Ellison, the guys running Netflix. You're much better off
just admitting your wrong and moving on. In fact, when
I started my company, I reached out to Mark Cuban.
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I reached out to another very very successful business guy
that owned a stake in barstool, And I said, could
you just give me one piece of advice? And Cuban
and the other gentleman gave me the same piece of
advice separately, which was, don't fall in love with your idea.
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If you're right on something, double down. If you're wrong,
own it and move off it. Stop trying to convince
yourself my ideas are perfect. Jeff Bezo says this all
the time. You should make changes every day to your company.
Don't stop worrying about being right. Get it right. And
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I am clearly wrong on Shador Sanders the Cleveland Browns
Today Kevin Stefanski Shardu fell to the fifth round and
Shadur was named as the number three quarterback. And I'm
wrong on him. I thought he was I looked at
Dylan Gabriel and I thought Shadeur was bigger. I think
that matters. I thought he moved better. I think that
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matters in twenty twenty five, and I thought he was
more accurate when he was flushed out of the pocket,
which in the NFL you're always flushed out of the pocket.
And so I thought he was a better NFL and
He was very, very productive. Was Dylan was Dylan Gabriel
with great teammates. Shador was productive with a terrible old
line in the worst running game in college football. So
I looked at the two and I'm like Dylan Gabriel
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feel I said it before the draft. I felt Dylan
Gabriel was a fourth or a fifth round pick and
Shade at worse was a mid second, late second round pick.
I'm wrong. Every NFL GM disagreed with me and Kevin Strafanski,
who won eleven games in twenty twenty three with musical
chairs at quarterbacks. And by the way, Shaudure and Dylan
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Gabriel were both productive. But the thing that impressed me
is Shador had a higher completion percentage, had just as
good a TD interception ratio, and averaged more passing yards
per game at Colorado than Dylan Gabriel than at Oregon.
And Oregon stacked with NFL talent. So my take, now, obviously,
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you know, let's be honest about it, Dylan Gabriel is
gonna win more games. But they always say winnings not
a quarterback stat, but in terms of completion percentage, TD
interception passing yards a game, Shaudur was better than Dylan
and not even close the level of roster composition at
Colorado the Oregon that is chess and checkers, So I
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thought he was better. Listen to the Eagles, the Philadelphia Eagles,
and this is why Howie Roseman to me, is as
good as any GM we've ever had in the NFL.
Signed Carson Wentz to a huge contract. Wasn't long after
it they moved on Sean McVay love Jared Goff than
he didn't Guys more than women struggle, admitting, yeah, I
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missed on that. I don't every Monday, Colin right, Colin wrong.
I think my wife always says, you're either right or
you're learning. You're you're right, or you're or you're like, oh,
you got to learn in your mistakes. So I mean,
Microsoft's a great company. They missed on the iPhone. They
missed on the phone, completely missed Steve Ballmer's brilliant, richest
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NBA owner, missed on the phone. Nobody's perfect. Accept anonymous
trolls on the Internet. It's amazing how that works. They're brilliant,
they're never wrong. So listen, the NFL is telling you
Dylan's better drafts telling you and the depth chart. You know,
I looked at numbers with much less protection run support,
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and I would say Dan Lanning, in my opinions, to
better coach than Deon Sanders, and his staff is excellent.
Should ever put up better numbers? So I was like,
I don't know, he's toler he moves better, he's accurate.
What can I say? You know, I was eventually right
on Sam Darnold, but I think I think I overvalued
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Jenner Sanders. And maybe I'm wrong on Caleb Williams. But
a lot of people agree with me on that. I
called my people in the NFL on Shador and most
of them are like, yeah, it's a bad quarterback class.
All of them said this Cam woarre' is the best
quarterback in the class. All of them said that nobody
nobody said that. Uh. My guys were very hit and
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miss on Jackson Dart's one a buddy of mine, loved
Jackson Dart. We're no longer friends.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
One one person loved him, other mixed. Chador was very
ain't great, but he's probably late. First it's everybody needs quarterbacks.
But I think now in hindsight, people were talking themselves
into it because the quarterback position is so important. Everybody
reaches on quarterback. But here's here's Greg Cosel earlier in
our show on Shador Sanders, who was just named the
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backup to the backup in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
The term that's used a lot with in the NFL
is scheme adaptability. Colin coaches think on both sides of
the ball in terms of how does the guy fit
into my scheme? Can he run my scheme?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
You know, you know this coach has worked sixteen hours
a day and they're putting in their scheme, their game plan.
It starts with OTAs. They want all this executed, and
when it's not executed, then it becomes a problem.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, and Shador doesn't probably execute as well as Dylan Gabriel,
I mean Shadur's. Shador won nine games last year, completed
seventy four percent of his throws, thirty seven tds, ten picks,
three hundred and eighteen yards pasket game with a very
very meager offense outside of Travis Hunter, and Travis was
returning kick and corner value, doing everything. So there you go.
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The NFL has spoken. I'm sure this is being received
with nuance and contextualization in Ohio, they are probably going crazy.
It was like the Tim Tebow stuff, like Denver would
have loved. They took him in the first round. They
wanted Tebow to be great. Well, he won a playoff game.
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A lot of people do a lot of people in
one playoff game. There was no I mean Denver got
Tim Tebow, didn't have to pay him forever, right, you
would want the Tim Tebow thing to work. John always like, Nah,
that's not gonna work. Let's get Peyton Manning. So yeah,
I mean, it's just John. I think I'm admitting now
the league is spoken. Stefanski's spoken. I over valued Shader Sanders.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
The league is spoken. It's been three weeks in the
training camp. I meant, we got time his career. I mean,
Sam Arnold, you never know. Here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Unlike most industries where people are very unemotional, because you're
dealing with widgets, you're dealing with buildings, you're dealing with
things that are not human beings, people will pivot fast
in football and in pro sports in general. When you're
my guy, and Dylan Gabriel was clearly Stefanski's guy. They
drafted from the third round like, that's a pretty high pick.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It's kind of in that weird zone.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Not quite the starting quarterback, but someone I like more
than to risk it to get to the third day
of the draft. So he was Dylan gaber If they're
both healthy. There was nothing Shador Sanders was going to
be able to do through a couple of weeks. And
I understand that, you know, the x Twitter social media
thinks that Shador Sanders is Tom Brady because of a
preseason game against plumbers and firemen. But the reality is
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is that that gets overvalued with normal people, not in
terms of the NFL circles and coaches. And at the
end of the day, Dylan Gabriel was always going to
be ahead of them if they were both healthy, at
least going into the start of the season. And the
reality too is they're all gonna play this year. They're
all gonna play this year, and the regular season games
matter infinitely more than anything that happens.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
In and again it's what coaches like, you know, coaches
like consistency of personality, of performance, of accuracy. And I
could see Stefanski as a really smart guy saying Dylan
is runs the play, He's consistently accurate, He stays in
the pocket, he gets rid of the ball more quickly,
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more often. Coaches love consistency. Coaches will coaches like high floor,
low ceiling. If they're given an option without a star.
It's like, and you look at that room right now,
quarterback room. There's no stars there. So I can see
him just saying Flacco and Dylan Gabriel. Maybe there's moments
where Shadure is a little bit more fascinating, but consistency
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is really appealing to offensive coaches.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Can we also acknowledge that Shadure Sanders the way he plays,
you know, Stefanski run a version of the Shanahan offense.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Timing base.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
Deshaun Watson, who was an ad lib playmaker even before
he fell off a cliff athletically and as a talent,
never fit the scheme. Remember, like they tried to adapt
and it just did not work. Shador Sanders actually is
much more tailored for a guy like an Andy Reid
as Sean McVeigh. It is a little more open to
run around and making plays. You get with Kyle Shanahan,
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you get with Laflora Stefanski. You know, it's very very Hey,
one two bit. We're seeing with Ben Johnson what he's
asking Caleb to do. Like you could add a lib
once or twice throughout the game, but the majority of
these play calls when it comes to passes, do what
I tell you to do. And that Shadoor's strength is
kind of just making place. And that's what he did
in the preseason game. So everyone freaked out that he's
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John Elway or.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Something two point zero.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
It's like, guys, that's not really what Stefanski is looking for,
you know, in the way he's judging his So when
I watched Dylan Gabriel, Everyone's like, oh, he threw a
pick six.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I watched that.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
I'm like, I think he's doing a lot of the
stuff that Stevansy's gonna like.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah. I remember talking to Chip Kelly about Geno Smith
briefly and he's like, oh, I like Geno. Gino runs
the play if you can give him a run game.
If you look at Genosmith on play action really good,
Like Geno Smith with a run game, Sam Darnold with
a run game are really effective. They get reckless when
they're pressured. But when he went to the Raiders, he
likes Geno Smith because his offense and what he wants
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you to do. Gino can move just enough. For Chip Kelly,
it works in his system. He likes him as a fit.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I do think these guys, and I don't think they're
coaching in GM and for their job.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
They just got extensions. But you know, Cleveland's a weird place.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
The owner has been, you know, quick to change his
mind this story. If these quarterbacks are awful, you know,
Flacco gets injured, Kenny Pickett comes in, doesn't look good,
Dylan Gabriel looks over match. It's gonna get louder and louder,
and people are gonna want to see your door. Like
you said at dog pound dot com slash roof roof,
you know they're gonna want.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
To see the guy.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
So it's it's hard to slow that down right. Everyone
was on their side with Deshaun Watson, like we can
all see it this one. The almost anticipation of his
hope not sing him play.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Can create a craziness.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
We've seen it before with these Sometimes the best player
in your team is the backup quarterback. Then he gets
in and you're like, what were we talking about?
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Speaker 1 (12:48):
All Right, the big breaking news, Shador Sanders is third string.
Dylan Gabriel a second string Kevin Stefanskian offensive coach, is
a bright guy. That's what he's chosen. So let's go
to Urban Meyer, who did plenty of Colorado games, three
national titles, seventeen seasons, now Fox Sports our analyst. All Right,
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I was a guy over at Dylan Gabriel. Guy, I
watched Shador run for his life at Colorado and he
was really productive. Are you surprised that Shador is backing
up Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
I actually listened to your last segment and I agree
with you that the coach of the Browns, you know,
stepped out and said, I'm going to pick this quarterback
Dylan Gabriel in the third round, and then, by the way,
Chador is still available, we'll take him. Unless it was obvious,
I think that, you know, I think you're right. I
think the coach of the Browns said this is I
put my name on him, and I'm going to give
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him an opportunity first. So it sounds to me like
it was real close. I also heard that part of
your comments. So if it's real close, they're going to
go with the guy that they spend all the time
evaluating draft him, and they don't want to be wrong.
Speaker 10 (13:54):
But they also have to win.
Speaker 9 (13:55):
So if Shador gets better and better, which I think
we all agree he will at some point point, you know,
you could see that move happening.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I saw Michigan recently got some penalties, and you and
I probably see this differently. The way I look at
college football is is that it used to be the
the sin in college sports was buying a high school player.
That was death penalty. It's over, I mean, one hundred
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dollars handshake for a senior. You know, you get slap
on the red you can't buy a high schooler. Well,
now that's that's just a it's a cottage industry. That's
what you do, you buy high schoolers. So it's hard
for me to get worked up. I don't even know
what's illegal in college sports. I just don't get worked
up over much. I know Connor Stallions did something wrong.
I know, but it bothers you more. You there was
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a quote I saw that you said that, you know,
maybe Harbaugh should be suspended in the NFL, So clarify that.
Where are you right now on Michigan Harbaugh and what transpired?
Speaker 9 (14:55):
Yeah, friend sent me that quote. I never said that.
That was a typical media guy saying that.
Speaker 10 (15:02):
No.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
I on the podcast, we talked about the penalty and
I brought up I said, do you realize that when
Jim Tressel was fired from Ohio State, he was suspended
I want to say six games. He went on to
be suspended by the Indianapolis Colts. Now, did I say
that Jim, No, of course not. I didn't say that,
and I actually even said that, you know, I don't
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think it will. But I threw that out there because
that's a fact and it was made clear throughout the
that the NFL wanted to at least respect the decisions
made by the NCAA.
Speaker 10 (15:36):
So no, I neft answer your question.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
I never said that, But that's typical someone's going to
put something in the headline here Callen and I are
talking about that was never said.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Okay, you know it is interesting though, And again my
take is, I mean you're buying high schoolers. I listen. Obviously,
if I know your signals, it's an advantage. But there
is some there is a little bit of a network.
I watched a special on it where there is some
scouting done, Like how ingregious is it to you? iPhone
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scouting multiple iPhones? Is it? How do you view that?
Speaker 10 (16:16):
Well?
Speaker 9 (16:17):
Very rarely do you like? You know, someone brought up
the Reggie Bush thing. Did they give USC a competitive
advantage on the field. They brought up Jim Trussell's situation.
Did they give them a competitive advantage on the field. No,
of course not. Guys are trading in memorabilia for tattoos.
The thing that this is this and I've heard people say, oh,
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come on, what's the big deal. If it wasn't a
big deal, Colin, why would they risk their reputation or
careers and thirty million dollars fine for the university or
for the Wolverines. So I'll answer that question. It's a
huge deal. If the defensive players no run or pass.
The amount of time I would probably say at least
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thirty to forty hours per week the defensive players are
trying to figure out from the stances of the offensive lineman,
from the weight on their fingertips, just figuring out from
the stance of the receivers is it run or pass?
Is it that much of an advantage? I can't overemphasize,
of course it is. You have fifty to fifty five
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year old men sitting in meeting rooms forever trying to
find some kind of tip to give to their players.
Speaker 10 (17:26):
If it's just that simple, if it's.
Speaker 9 (17:28):
A runner pass, now, if you can know if it's
right or left, that's a whole other animal. So to
answer your question, any advantage that's gotten illegally, then that's
a major deal.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So the college football I just saw this morning, they've
made a tweak to it where strength of schedule is
now going to matter more, which I'm a huge fan of.
Incentivize more heavyweight matchups, and I said this last year.
I said, Ohio State losing at autsin the way they
lost on the last play controversial. I thought more of
a high state that I did Oregon. I said, all
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I knew is after that game, if you can come
down to a final play at Oughts in the loudest
stadium I've ever been with, with a great top six
or seven program, you can win a nanny. And I said,
after that loss, they're going to play Oregon again. You watch,
and they're going to beat them. And they did. And
my take is if Texas goes to Columbus here in
a week and loses thirty four to twenty eight, they're
driving for the winning score and there's an interception. My
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take is, I'm blown away by Texas if you can
go to Ohio State. And so I love the idea
of stop punishing college kids for losing a game against
the great team. Your take on what the NCAA now
is really pivoting to, which is we're not going to
punish as much when you lose to good teams.
Speaker 10 (18:45):
I hope that happens, Colin.
Speaker 9 (18:46):
That's that's supposed to have been the rules since you know,
I remember from the BCS era, to the fourteen college
football playoff to the twelve teams. So I you know,
I got to reread this thing because that's confusing to me.
Strength to schedule has always been a big part of
the equation that the Committee is supposed to look at.
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So maybe there's some more there's some type of analytics
that are going to use for that, but I guess
I'm confused. That's always been supposedly a part of what
the Committee looks at. I'm going to give you something
called I think the Committee needs to go away. I
love these new proposals that are out there about teams
playing to win. The Big Ten had one out there.
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I'm not sure it's still out there anymore, but a
four four two two one, which means you take the
top six teens teams in the Big Ten and they
earn it on the field.
Speaker 10 (19:37):
There's no committee.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
So one would play two in the Big Ten championship game,
three would play five, four would play six, and there's
your four teams to go to the playoffs.
Speaker 10 (19:47):
So I hope they're at some point and this.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Is not against the committee, because I try to figure
out who the best teams are. That's my job to
watch the film. I'm wrong a lot of times. Yeah,
because you know, there's so many variables involved. So to
put that in the hotel room, a bunch of people
making decisions who's in and who's out. I much rather
come up with a system that this is a play
in tournament that you get in and the most important
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people make that decision, the players. If you win, you're in,
If you lose, you're out.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So the Buck guys have announced their starter, they said
it was closed. Julian sand I've only seen YouTube stuff.
I've only seen high schools.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
I don't I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I don't know what he's going to be. What do
you expect? What do you what do you know? What
do you hear on him?
Speaker 9 (20:30):
I hear a lot the many he walked on campus.
There is comments made about Dwayne Haskins type arm action
and this great release, the ball flies out of his hands.
He's got great anticipation accuracy, and then recently I heard
a lot about his escapability about to be able to
keep plays lives. So everything I'm mentioning are just incredible
attributes of a quarterback. So the interesting one is Keenholtz
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fought his ass off, which is you know, I'm a
fan of his and to see that, so they don't,
you know, I hear people say if you don't have
you know, if you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one.
I've always disagree with that. If you have two quarterbacks,
you have two quarterbacks, And so.
Speaker 10 (21:08):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (21:08):
I think at some point this will become a strength.
This is going to be really interesting to watch in
this game about the way two quarterback coaches who are
head coaches managed to first because you can say arch
Manning arch Manning is not much different than Julian's saying.
You know, he's not done a lot either, So you
better protect these quarterbacks. That means don't have many balls
down the middle of the field, work the outsides, and
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you know, give them a bunch of easy throws to
start that game, because it would be a mistake to
just hand the ball to these guys and let them
go play early in their careers like this.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So Belichick has forty transfers. So I've said, if I
was a college football coach, I'd try to limit it
to about ten. Sometimes you do need a slot corner
and you don't have it. So and Sark brought in
ten transfers. Mac Brown said, you know, it can be dicey.
It's hard to create chemistry with a high school recruiting team.
(22:03):
Not you know, at Florida before the nil you get
teams where the chemistry is an issue. To bring in
forty guys and try to build chemistry, how would you
do it? I mean, how do you have forty new
faces and make it work in six months?
Speaker 9 (22:20):
Well, some people have and then some people miss it
failed miserable. You know the recent one that failed miserable
was the Florida State. They go from an undefeated team
to a bunch of transfers and it didn't work out.
But then you saw, you know, Michigan State had the
lightning in the bottom of the one year and in
Colorado brought in a bunch of and turned around a
really poor program. So I think forty is a lot.
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To answer your question, how do you develop chemistry and
culture on the team when you're getting them in June
and July. I'm going to answer honestly, I have no idea.
I don't know how you do that. Obviously, Coach Belichick's
a smart guy and he's got a great staff around him.
Speaker 10 (22:55):
He's going to figure it out.
Speaker 9 (22:56):
But to answer, you asked me a point blank question
on my answers, I don't have any idea.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So, Jeremiah Smith maybe the most talented freshman I've ever
seen in college football. I go back years in years.
This is an old school name. I remember a guy.
Pitt had a guy named Hugh Green years and years ago.
I can remember watching him as an underclassman in college
and thinking, man, he looks like a man. He's like
twenty years old, Hugh Green. Look it up? Is there?
(23:26):
If I said I thought Jeremiah Smith looked like a pro?
Was there in all your years at Florida, all your
years at Ohio State, Utah Bowling, Green, go through all
of it, Take out Jeremiah Smith. Was there ever a
freshman that walked on to any of your program? Here
he comes on a campus and you thought he probably
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could play in the NFL, Because I think Jeremiah Smith
could play in the NFL today. Did you ever have
one of those players?
Speaker 10 (23:52):
I did. I had one, Percy Harvin.
Speaker 9 (23:56):
We walked on campus, and I've never ever seen anything
like what could do with his skill set. To this day,
I still believe he's one of the greatest ever plays.
So let me say this about Jeremy Jeremiah too, and
I'm gonna do this on Big No Big Noon. He
pretty he had a great scenario last year, so an
elite wide receiver's best friends or number one a running
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quarterback Will Howard. They had that. Number two a strong
run game. They had that with two terrific running backs,
and number three a strong number two that was a mecca.
All three of those guys are gone, you know. The
running quarterback's gone, the strong run game's gone, and the
mecca's gone. So we're going to see how he does.
Because last year Texas, not one snap was played. I
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just finished the film yesterday.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
Now.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
I called it the stop Jeremiah defense. Not one time,
Colin did they leave Jeremiah by himself. As a result,
he had a couple of catches for like say six yards.
So it was a perfect scenario for this talented guy
last year. This year it's completely different and he's still
as talent as he got. But teams will not leave
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him singled up unless they can't. And if you don't
have a run game, you can put two guys on him.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, Urban Meyer as always great stuff.
Speaker 10 (25:11):
Coach.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Getting ready for the season. Gonna be on a plane
here in a few days.
Speaker 10 (25:15):
Can't wait.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So good to see your brother, all right, Urban Meyer, Yeah,
the yeah. He makes a good point that in Mecca Buka,
the kid that goes to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, that
kid is something else. I mean, that kid's running the
full route tree when he's like eighteen years old. He
is really good. John Middlelkoff of the News.
Speaker 10 (25:34):
No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
This is the herd Line news. Well, Colin.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Yesterday the Ravens, they had a little injury scare at
practice after it was reported Lamar Jackson left with a
hand injury, but it was later determined that he inadvertently
stepped on and left for precautionary reasons. Today, Lamar is
sitting out of practice ahead of the preseason finale, and
we'll have five days arrest before the Monday night practice
or the Monday's practice ahead of a week one?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Is this something? Is this nothing? Where you at with
Lamar Jackson? Colin?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I think when you when you move like Lamar Jackson,
I think you get banged up, you know, I don't.
I don't think Lamar Jackson will ever play a football
season for the rest of his life. By week four,
if he's totally healthy, he just you know, he moves,
he's fast, he bangs around in there. He's still not
one of the great sliders like a Kyler Murray, you know,
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the baseball guy. So I don't it's it's I think
quarterbacks in this league. I think week four or five,
you got aches and pains, something's banged up.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Yeah, I mean sometimes people step on your foot. I
think the thing with Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen Mahomes, the
margin freer for those top teams to get the number
one seed. If any of them were to miss a
game or two and you lose because of it. That
could be the difference between a home game and an
away game.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
And we've seen.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
You know, the Chiefs are kind of numb to it.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
They can win anywhere, but the bill's huge difference playing
on the road or at home. Same thing with the Ravens.
I know they lost a couple of years ago, but
you know playing at home is a big deal. So
you know, to have these guys play seventeen games, I mean,
ideally get to sit the last game if you have
it all, you know, kind of tied up at the end.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Earlier this week, Daniel Jones was named the starter over
Anthony Richson after his poor preseason and training camp performances. Well,
we don't know when we can expect to see richardson
or center again. The quarterback coach, Cam Turner had a
very telling quote when he was asked about his quarterback.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
When you guys drafted Anthony, obviously the plan is number
to get to.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
This point, Benjamin second time. So looking back to you guys,
feel like what you fail Anthony?
Speaker 10 (27:38):
Did he fail you?
Speaker 9 (27:39):
Who?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Did you fail each other?
Speaker 6 (27:40):
I feel like I tried everything I can do, you know,
And I feel like he's given a great effort in
that aspect too.
Speaker 10 (27:45):
And I don't.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Think either way it's one of the other.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
I just think, you know, right now is not where
the consistency is, just not where we wanted it to be.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's pretty obvious.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
You know he comes.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
You watch that Cowboy documentary, are pretty sure that's Norv's son.
I mean, these guys, Shane Stiken, the Turner family, I mean,
these guys no offense.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
This isn't you know me or you coaching the guy?
So that quote let's just face it. They don't think.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Anthony Richardson's very good.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
I mean, there's just no way to sugarcoat. They just
don't think he's very good. And they chose Daniel Jones,
who most people don't think is good either, over him.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Not a great sign.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, and I think I think it's okay like this,
it's hard. This is I mean, if you go back
in the history of the NFL, maybe it's higher now,
but you get about one great quarterback of class now.
I think it made the average maybe one and a
half to two now because quarterbacks are getting more snaps
in high school and more private coaching. But if a
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quarterback draft class gives you two guys who signed like
a second contract with the same team that drafted him,
that's pretty good. So this is just I mean, it's
hard to find drafts where one of the first round
quarterbacks didn't miss. There's a few, but not many.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
I think, you know, Josh Allen happened, and a lot
of people tried to you know, force remember Draymond Green's like,
who's the next Draymond Green?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
There hasn't been one in a decade.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
They're not going to be another Josh Allen and they
tried and it blew up in their face. Okay, onto
baseball call where the Dodgers have gone from a commanding
division lead to a real race in the NL West.
Last night show, Hey Otani was on the mound and
had a rough outing, giving up five runs and took
a comebacker off the off the thigh, later forcing him
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out of the game. Dave Roberts discussed Otani's injury and
the Dodgers poor play of late.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I was just really relieved that it was a thigh
because it hit him flush. And so again, if you're
if you're talking about the kneecap, you know that that's
that's a different conversation. So certainly, where I saw the
ballmark on his thigh, very very relieved relative to the situation.
The results of the result, the performance is the performance.
So it certainly speaks to it. You know, I'd like
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to think it's not a letdown, but certainly when you
hear it at cores and kind of putting together some
of these at bats, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
I don't really answer.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
It has been a choppy season for the best roster
in baseball the Dodgers have. You're smiling there. I think you,
as a Bay Area guy, you probably love this, but
it's been choppy.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I also, they're under five hundred since the Al Star.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Right, do you remember, you know, the first year the
Warriors got Kevin Durant and they won sixty seven games.
They cruised the next couple of years. They just didn't
really care about the regular season. Baseball is a little
different that way. Obviously, Otani didn't pitch last year. I
also think the playoffs come. I mean, are are you
gonna bet against the Dodgers?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Now?
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Baseball a little different than football and basketball.
Speaker 10 (30:47):
Right.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
You can have the best roster and you're starting pitchings off.
If your bullpen's bad, which the Dodgers bullpen hasn't been great,
all of a sudden, you can find yourself down two
to two games and none against the Padres in the
first round. Yeah, you know, I stareing elimination in the face.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I just I feel like Snell and some of their pitchers, like,
I feel like if they could get pitching health, they'd
be fine. But it's just like this has been like
four years in a row. It feels like maybe three.
You know, It's like the San Francisco forty nine ers
wide receiver injuries. I feel the same way about the
Dodgers pitching injuries, like I can't explain it. I don't
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know the answer to it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Well, glassnow has hurt a lot. I mean part of
the reason they got them.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
My question is with Otani, pitching's not going great this year.
Just let's wait till next year to have him pitch.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Just let him hit.
Speaker 10 (31:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
John Middlecoff with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Well, that's the news.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
All right, Urban Meyer, Greg co Sell. Shador Sanders is
number three on the depth chart. We wrap it up
when we.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
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Speaker 1 (32:11):
All Right, story that broke about two hours into our show.
Kevin Stefanski. Here he is announcing the Browns quarterback situation
against the Rams.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
Joe will start the game, Dylan will play second, Shador
will play fit. He's feeling better and better, so borrowing
any step back if he comes in not feeling good tillmorrow,
which I don't anticipate he would play on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
So I went to Mary Kate Cabot. She does a
good job, and I read her tweet that Kevin Stefanski's
going with Flacco, then Dylan Gabriel second, and Shador third,
And then I went to a couple of message boards.
Doggie Doodoo dot com. Why is Dylan going second? Stefanski
is a clown, it says sheesh Man. They really sabotaging Sanders.
(33:03):
That's puppylove dot com, absolutely ridiculous. Give Gabriel the thirties,
clearly not performing at the level Sanders is this team's
an absolute joke. Okay, Well listen, John Middelkoff, I thought
said it eloquently. Sports is different the name of your city.
(33:26):
You know you got guys in your fantasy team. These
are not widgets. Uh, these are not like. This is
not data. Uh this these are these are players that
we you fall in love with, and that's what's great
about sports. People are going crazy, But I would say that, uh,
Stefanski is a pretty smart guy. Shador dropped to the fifth.
That was a message from the league. Stefanski's got him third.
(33:48):
That's a message from the Browns. So now. And also,
let's let's be honest. It's not the end of the road.
I mean, players improve, I mean it's you know, there's
a lot of stories. I mean Baker Mayfield and Sam
Darnold and Geno Smith are three examples of Wow, that
guy really can play at a really, really high level.
(34:09):
They all got paid. So you know, people, you know,
we people get really high on quarterbacks and then a
couple of years later, I mean people after four or
five starts. Oh, Kenny Pickett, Yeah, Kenny Pickett is now
fourth in the depth chart. So you know it ebbs
and flows on this stuff, you know. Co Cell Greg
(34:31):
co Cell a couple of weeks ago gave us a
little peak when he said Shador is not quite as
accurate as everybody says. I do think that Chadure moves better,
is bigger, and was really productive in college despite a
very average offensive roster. I thought he was really productive.
So that's what I saw with my eyes. But you
(34:53):
know it's not the you know, I've been wrong before.
This is this is Greg co Cell earlier on the
Browns quarterbacks situation.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Offensive coaches they think about how does a player work
within my scheme and what gabriel is Is. He's essentially
stylistically similar to a too attaga Iloa. Sanders is a
little different player. He's not quite as rhythmic, and he
has a tendency. And this showed up on tape, by
the way, even though the good outweighed the bad when
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he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift a
little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in the pocket.
You know how many quarterbacks are the Browns going to keep?
No team keeps four quarterbacks, so it's going to be
interesting going down the stretch here. And then Sanders got
hurt and missed some time in practice, and that's not
going to help him.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
So my preseason prediction was Flacco wins it, Shador second,
Dylan third. They trade Kenny Pickett. So I'm a little
off right there, and we will see. Today actually gave
us a respite, a break from the Caleb Williams discussion.
It's just incredible. You know, the Cubs are playing great
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baseball and Caleb Williams has taken over Chicago media. Everywhere
I go in Chicago. What do you think the Bears
are going to do? And I tell everybody I think
the over under is perfect. It's like eight and a
half wins. If you're optimistic, go with nine. They're not
going to be a twelve win team. You know, rookie
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coach Caleb trying to kind of stylistically fit with Ben Johnson.
I think they you know, the best thing that could
happen to the Bears, honestly, And this is where you
have to be optimistic. Detroit's not going to be as good.
They're not going to be Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson
are elite coordinators. The guys that took over. What are
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the chances they'll be as good or better? It's none.
And JJ McCarthy. If JJ McCarthy is just average, that's
good for the Bears. That would help because they went
one in five in division last year. And it's I
mean they and these people that are projecting them to
win double digit wins, they just don't do that much.
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They don't so and a large part of that is
the team that's a you know, our train ride up
North Green Bay. So the schedule, I will argue the
Bears schedule is very workable. You get Minnesota at home,
if that's on the road, that's a tough opener. I
think at home you can win that game. Yes you're
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at Detroit, but it's not the same team, and with
new coordinators, you could argue that Detroit won't find its
footing until about Thanksgiving with all the new coordinators. And
then it's Dallas at home, Raiders by Saints in a
couple of weeks after that. You know, New York Giants,
Pittsburgh at home. There's some double us here, and you
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know at the end of the year they close out
with Detroit at home. If Detroit has the Division one,
they could rest starters. So I think there's two or
three games that seem like they're not terribly winnable. At Baltimore,
see is really tough to me. At Philadelphia is really
rough traveling, you know, a big chunk of the way
cross country at San Francisco when their wide receiving course
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should be healthier. I think those that's a tough spot.
But I mean, best case scenario is they win that
home opener with Minnesota and Minnesota and Detroit take a
significant step back. That would be really good news because
you got to win those division games. They're not going
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to go six and zero division, They're not going to
go five and one can they go five hundred because
I can find four or five wins in this schedule
not in their division. I think they're going to be Dallas,
the Raiders, the Saints, the Giants, Pittsburgh. You know they
got a little bit of a break. Those go either
way games. Saints at home, Giants at home, Steelers at home. Now,
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those are winnable games. At Filly and at Baltimore, those
aren't winnable games. So Greg Cosel earlier on Ben and Caleb.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
The main part for Caleb Williams and the key for
Ben Johnson is everything from the huddle until the ball
is snapped. Because they call multiple plays in the huddle,
there's a lot of shifts, there's a lot of motions.
You've got to be able to do that with the
necessary speed and efficiency. So you get to the line
of scrimmage and there's time enough on the shot clock
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because you're going to have the shifts, You're going to
have the motions. Now it's up to Caleb to decide
if there's two plays called, which one am I going
to run? That part of quarterbacking is the bigger deal
for Caleb Williams as he's learning the Ben Johnson offense.
Speaker 10 (39:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I think there's one team in this league that I
think Vegas made a mistake on. It's the Seahawks. They're
over under I think it's eight and a half. It
feels way too low. Their schedule is incredibly workable, the
all lines better coach in the second year. Darnold's an upgrade.
When I hear people talk about Chicago ten and eleven
and now you're trying to get to a territory where
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you're overvaluing what they are. This division, the NFC had
like a two to three year gap, you know, where
it was really bad. It's not anymore. I mean, Chicago's
tough on its coaches and its quarterbacks. I mean Matt Naggy.
Think about this. They ran Matt Naggy out of town.
Matt Naggy made the playoffs with Mitch Trubisky, and at
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that time, Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford, and Aaron Rodgers were
all not only in the same division, they were in
their primes or closer to their primes. And they got
Mitch Trabisky to the playoffs and they ran him out
of town. I can remember defending Matt Naggy. He reached
out to me and said thanks. They were just crushing him.
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I'm like, you're getting into the playoffs in a division
with Aaron Rodgers twice a year, Stafford twice a year,
Kirk Cousin twice a year in their prime. You have
a fourth best quarterback of the division by a long shot,
and he made the playoffs twice. Well, the defense was good.
It's a quarterback league. Don't care of good your defense is.
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It's a quarterback league. Joe Burrow couldn't get into the playoffs.
They had terrible defense. So they're at Chicago is tough
on their coaches and they're tough on their quarterbacks. So again,
I said, this week nine to eight feels very optimistic.
That's going three and three in division. If they go
three and three in division, they hold Serve at home,
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they beat the Vikings in the opener at home, they
beat the Packers at home, they beat the Lions at home.
You know they're gonna be probably underdogs in those games,
but slight underdogs they win those games. I mean, there's
an optimistic way to look at this. The Lions rest
their starters in week eighteen. You know, the optimistic way
to look at it is. You know, the Giants move
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off Russell Wilson, they're bad. They go with Jackson Dart
and you get a raw rookie quarterback in Chicago. You know,
just there's positive ways. Dallas is really bad and it
takes it takes Minnesota, JJ McCarthy. It's gonna take a
while to get that right. There's a way to optimistically
look at it. But the over unders in Vegas they
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make money on fans betting the over. That's fans do
not bet the under. So I think nine and eight
is a very positive, very realistic. Look where are you
on there? I'm going to say nine and eight and
I feel like I'm being positive. Where are you?
Speaker 6 (42:28):
I like nine and eight two this weekend when you're
roaming around Chicago. Let everyone know that them extending the
backup quarterback is the first contract extension they've given a
quarterback since Jay Cutler that was the backup.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
It's sending a signal. What that signal is, We're not
sure
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go, last hour. Urban Meyer is going to
stop in. He likes Snor Sanders too.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
We are live.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We're in Chicago. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day. You know, it's It's an interesting
thing that I've noticed this over the course of my life.
Is that and I watch a lot of clips. John
Business clips Jeff Bezos constantly gives fascinating advice. I often
(00:53):
share those with my management at my company. The volume
I'm sharing clips and one of the things I have
noticed over the course of my life it can be
Larry Ellison, the guys running Netflix. You're much better off
just admitting your wrong and moving on. In fact, when
I started my company, I reached out to Mark Cuban.
(01:14):
I reached out to another very very successful business guy
that owned a stake in barstool, And I said, could
you just give me one piece of advice? And Cuban
and the other gentleman gave me the same piece of
advice separately, which was, don't fall in love with your idea.
(01:35):
If you're right on something, double down. If you're wrong,
own it and move off it. Stop trying to convince
yourself my ideas are perfect. Jeff Bezo says this all
the time. You should make changes every day to your company.
Don't stop worrying about being right. Get it right. And
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I am clearly wrong on Shador Sanders the Cleveland Browns
Today Kevin Stefanski Shardu fell to the fifth round and
Shadur was named as the number three quarterback. And I'm
wrong on him. I thought he was I looked at
Dylan Gabriel and I thought Shadeur was bigger. I think
that matters. I thought he moved better. I think that
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matters in twenty twenty five, and I thought he was
more accurate when he was flushed out of the pocket,
which in the NFL you're always flushed out of the pocket.
And so I thought he was a better NFL and
He was very, very productive. Was Dylan was Dylan Gabriel
with great teammates. Shador was productive with a terrible old
line in the worst running game in college football. So
I looked at the two and I'm like Dylan Gabriel
(02:40):
feel I said it before the draft. I felt Dylan
Gabriel was a fourth or a fifth round pick and
Shade at worse was a mid second, late second round pick.
I'm wrong. Every NFL GM disagreed with me and Kevin Strafanski,
who won eleven games in twenty twenty three with musical
chairs at quarterbacks. And by the way, Shaudure and Dylan
(03:03):
Gabriel were both productive. But the thing that impressed me
is Shador had a higher completion percentage, had just as
good a TD interception ratio, and averaged more passing yards
per game at Colorado than Dylan Gabriel than at Oregon.
And Oregon stacked with NFL talent. So my take, now, obviously,
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you know, let's be honest about it, Dylan Gabriel is
gonna win more games. But they always say winnings not
a quarterback stat, but in terms of completion percentage, TD
interception passing yards a game, Shaudur was better than Dylan
and not even close the level of roster composition at
Colorado the Oregon that is chess and checkers, So I
(03:46):
thought he was better. Listen to the Eagles, the Philadelphia Eagles,
and this is why Howie Roseman to me, is as
good as any GM we've ever had in the NFL.
Signed Carson Wentz to a huge contract. Wasn't long after
it they moved on Sean McVay love Jared Goff than
he didn't Guys more than women struggle, admitting, yeah, I
(04:09):
missed on that. I don't every Monday, Colin right, Colin wrong.
I think my wife always says, you're either right or
you're learning. You're you're right, or you're or you're like, oh,
you got to learn in your mistakes. So I mean,
Microsoft's a great company. They missed on the iPhone. They
missed on the phone, completely missed Steve Ballmer's brilliant, richest
(04:31):
NBA owner, missed on the phone. Nobody's perfect. Accept anonymous
trolls on the Internet. It's amazing how that works. They're brilliant,
they're never wrong. So listen, the NFL is telling you
Dylan's better drafts telling you and the depth chart. You know,
I looked at numbers with much less protection run support,
(04:56):
and I would say Dan Lanning, in my opinions, to
better coach than Deon Sanders, and his staff is excellent.
Should ever put up better numbers? So I was like,
I don't know, he's toler he moves better, he's accurate.
What can I say? You know, I was eventually right
on Sam Darnold, but I think I think I overvalued
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Jenner Sanders. And maybe I'm wrong on Caleb Williams. But
a lot of people agree with me on that. I
called my people in the NFL on Shador and most
of them are like, yeah, it's a bad quarterback class.
All of them said this Cam woarre' is the best
quarterback in the class. All of them said that nobody
nobody said that. Uh. My guys were very hit and
(05:37):
miss on Jackson Dart's one a buddy of mine, loved
Jackson Dart. We're no longer friends.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
One one person loved him, other mixed. Chador was very
ain't great, but he's probably late. First it's everybody needs quarterbacks.
But I think now in hindsight, people were talking themselves
into it because the quarterback position is so important. Everybody
reaches on quarterback. But here's here's Greg Cosel earlier in
our show on Shador Sanders, who was just named the
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backup to the backup in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
The term that's used a lot with in the NFL
is scheme adaptability. Colin coaches think on both sides of
the ball in terms of how does the guy fit
into my scheme? Can he run my scheme?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
You know, you know this coach has worked sixteen hours
a day and they're putting in their scheme, their game plan.
It starts with OTAs. They want all this executed, and
when it's not executed, then it becomes a problem.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, and Shador doesn't probably execute as well as Dylan Gabriel,
I mean Shadur's. Shador won nine games last year, completed
seventy four percent of his throws, thirty seven tds, ten picks,
three hundred and eighteen yards pasket game with a very
very meager offense outside of Travis Hunter, and Travis was
returning kick and corner value, doing everything. So there you go.
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The NFL has spoken. I'm sure this is being received
with nuance and contextualization in Ohio, they are probably going crazy.
It was like the Tim Tebow stuff, like Denver would
have loved. They took him in the first round. They
wanted Tebow to be great. Well, he won a playoff game.
(07:26):
A lot of people do a lot of people in
one playoff game. There was no I mean Denver got
Tim Tebow, didn't have to pay him forever, right, you
would want the Tim Tebow thing to work. John always like, Nah,
that's not gonna work. Let's get Peyton Manning. So yeah,
I mean, it's just John. I think I'm admitting now
the league is spoken. Stefanski's spoken. I over valued Shader Sanders.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
The league is spoken. It's been three weeks in the
training camp. I meant, we got time his career. I mean,
Sam Arnold, you never know. Here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Unlike most industries where people are very unemotional, because you're
dealing with widgets, you're dealing with buildings, you're dealing with
things that are not human beings, people will pivot fast
in football and in pro sports in general. When you're
my guy, and Dylan Gabriel was clearly Stefanski's guy. They
drafted from the third round like, that's a pretty high pick.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It's kind of in that weird zone.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Not quite the starting quarterback, but someone I like more
than to risk it to get to the third day
of the draft. So he was Dylan gaber If they're
both healthy. There was nothing Shador Sanders was going to
be able to do through a couple of weeks. And
I understand that, you know, the x Twitter social media
thinks that Shador Sanders is Tom Brady because of a
preseason game against plumbers and firemen. But the reality is
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is that that gets overvalued with normal people, not in
terms of the NFL circles and coaches. And at the
end of the day, Dylan Gabriel was always going to
be ahead of them if they were both healthy, at
least going into the start of the season. And the
reality too is they're all gonna play this year. They're
all gonna play this year, and the regular season games
matter infinitely more than anything that happens.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
In and again it's what coaches like, you know, coaches
like consistency of personality, of performance, of accuracy. And I
could see Stefanski as a really smart guy saying Dylan
is runs the play, He's consistently accurate, He stays in
the pocket, he gets rid of the ball more quickly,
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more often. Coaches love consistency. Coaches will coaches like high floor,
low ceiling. If they're given an option without a star.
It's like, and you look at that room right now,
quarterback room. There's no stars there. So I can see
him just saying Flacco and Dylan Gabriel. Maybe there's moments
where Shadure is a little bit more fascinating, but consistency
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is really appealing to offensive coaches.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Can we also acknowledge that Shadure Sanders the way he plays,
you know, Stefanski run a version of the Shanahan offense.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Timing base.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
Deshaun Watson, who was an ad lib playmaker even before
he fell off a cliff athletically and as a talent,
never fit the scheme. Remember, like they tried to adapt
and it just did not work. Shador Sanders actually is
much more tailored for a guy like an Andy Reid
as Sean McVeigh. It is a little more open to
run around and making plays. You get with Kyle Shanahan,
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you get with Laflora Stefanski. You know, it's very very Hey,
one two bit. We're seeing with Ben Johnson what he's
asking Caleb to do. Like you could add a lib
once or twice throughout the game, but the majority of
these play calls when it comes to passes, do what
I tell you to do. And that Shadoor's strength is
kind of just making place. And that's what he did
in the preseason game. So everyone freaked out that he's
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John Elway or.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Something two point zero.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
It's like, guys, that's not really what Stefanski is looking for,
you know, in the way he's judging his So when
I watched Dylan Gabriel, Everyone's like, oh, he threw a
pick six.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I watched that.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
I'm like, I think he's doing a lot of the
stuff that Stevansy's gonna like.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah. I remember talking to Chip Kelly about Geno Smith
briefly and he's like, oh, I like Geno. Gino runs
the play if you can give him a run game.
If you look at Genosmith on play action really good,
Like Geno Smith with a run game, Sam Darnold with
a run game are really effective. They get reckless when
they're pressured. But when he went to the Raiders, he
likes Geno Smith because his offense and what he wants
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you to do. Gino can move just enough. For Chip Kelly,
it works in his system. He likes him as a fit.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I do think these guys, and I don't think they're
coaching in GM and for their job.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
They just got extensions. But you know, Cleveland's a weird place.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
The owner has been, you know, quick to change his
mind this story. If these quarterbacks are awful, you know,
Flacco gets injured, Kenny Pickett comes in, doesn't look good,
Dylan Gabriel looks over match. It's gonna get louder and louder,
and people are gonna want to see your door. Like
you said at dog pound dot com slash roof roof,
you know they're gonna want.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
To see the guy.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
So it's it's hard to slow that down right. Everyone
was on their side with Deshaun Watson, like we can
all see it this one. The almost anticipation of his
hope not sing him play.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Can create a craziness.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
We've seen it before with these Sometimes the best player
in your team is the backup quarterback. Then he gets
in and you're like, what were we talking about?
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Speaker 1 (12:48):
All Right, the big breaking news, Shador Sanders is third string.
Dylan Gabriel a second string Kevin Stefanskian offensive coach, is
a bright guy. That's what he's chosen. So let's go
to Urban Meyer, who did plenty of Colorado games, three
national titles, seventeen seasons, now Fox Sports our analyst. All Right,
(13:09):
I was a guy over at Dylan Gabriel. Guy, I
watched Shador run for his life at Colorado and he
was really productive. Are you surprised that Shador is backing
up Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
I actually listened to your last segment and I agree
with you that the coach of the Browns, you know,
stepped out and said, I'm going to pick this quarterback
Dylan Gabriel in the third round, and then, by the way,
Chador is still available, we'll take him. Unless it was obvious,
I think that, you know, I think you're right. I
think the coach of the Browns said this is I
put my name on him, and I'm going to give
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him an opportunity first. So it sounds to me like
it was real close. I also heard that part of
your comments. So if it's real close, they're going to
go with the guy that they spend all the time
evaluating draft him, and they don't want to be wrong.
Speaker 10 (13:54):
But they also have to win.
Speaker 9 (13:55):
So if Shador gets better and better, which I think
we all agree he will at some point point, you know,
you could see that move happening.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I saw Michigan recently got some penalties, and you and
I probably see this differently. The way I look at
college football is is that it used to be the
the sin in college sports was buying a high school player.
That was death penalty. It's over, I mean, one hundred
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dollars handshake for a senior. You know, you get slap
on the red you can't buy a high schooler. Well,
now that's that's just a it's a cottage industry. That's
what you do, you buy high schoolers. So it's hard
for me to get worked up. I don't even know
what's illegal in college sports. I just don't get worked
up over much. I know Connor Stallions did something wrong.
I know, but it bothers you more. You there was
(14:45):
a quote I saw that you said that, you know,
maybe Harbaugh should be suspended in the NFL, So clarify that.
Where are you right now on Michigan Harbaugh and what transpired?
Speaker 9 (14:55):
Yeah, friend sent me that quote. I never said that.
That was a typical media guy saying that.
Speaker 10 (15:02):
No.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
I on the podcast, we talked about the penalty and
I brought up I said, do you realize that when
Jim Tressel was fired from Ohio State, he was suspended
I want to say six games. He went on to
be suspended by the Indianapolis Colts. Now, did I say
that Jim, No, of course not. I didn't say that,
and I actually even said that, you know, I don't
(15:25):
think it will. But I threw that out there because
that's a fact and it was made clear throughout the
that the NFL wanted to at least respect the decisions
made by the NCAA.
Speaker 10 (15:36):
So no, I neft answer your question.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
I never said that, But that's typical someone's going to
put something in the headline here Callen and I are
talking about that was never said.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Okay, you know it is interesting though, And again my
take is, I mean you're buying high schoolers. I listen. Obviously,
if I know your signals, it's an advantage. But there
is some there is a little bit of a network.
I watched a special on it where there is some
scouting done, Like how ingregious is it to you? iPhone
(16:11):
scouting multiple iPhones? Is it? How do you view that?
Speaker 10 (16:16):
Well?
Speaker 9 (16:17):
Very rarely do you like? You know, someone brought up
the Reggie Bush thing. Did they give USC a competitive
advantage on the field. They brought up Jim Trussell's situation.
Did they give them a competitive advantage on the field. No,
of course not. Guys are trading in memorabilia for tattoos.
The thing that this is this and I've heard people say, oh,
(16:37):
come on, what's the big deal. If it wasn't a
big deal, Colin, why would they risk their reputation or
careers and thirty million dollars fine for the university or
for the Wolverines. So I'll answer that question. It's a
huge deal. If the defensive players no run or pass.
The amount of time I would probably say at least
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thirty to forty hours per week the defensive players are
trying to figure out from the stances of the offensive lineman,
from the weight on their fingertips, just figuring out from
the stance of the receivers is it run or pass?
Is it that much of an advantage? I can't overemphasize,
of course it is. You have fifty to fifty five
(17:19):
year old men sitting in meeting rooms forever trying to
find some kind of tip to give to their players.
Speaker 10 (17:26):
If it's just that simple, if it's.
Speaker 9 (17:28):
A runner pass, now, if you can know if it's
right or left, that's a whole other animal. So to
answer your question, any advantage that's gotten illegally, then that's
a major deal.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So the college football I just saw this morning, they've
made a tweak to it where strength of schedule is
now going to matter more, which I'm a huge fan of.
Incentivize more heavyweight matchups, and I said this last year.
I said, Ohio State losing at autsin the way they
lost on the last play controversial. I thought more of
a high state that I did Oregon. I said, all
(18:02):
I knew is after that game, if you can come
down to a final play at Oughts in the loudest
stadium I've ever been with, with a great top six
or seven program, you can win a nanny. And I said,
after that loss, they're going to play Oregon again. You watch,
and they're going to beat them. And they did. And
my take is if Texas goes to Columbus here in
a week and loses thirty four to twenty eight, they're
driving for the winning score and there's an interception. My
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take is, I'm blown away by Texas if you can
go to Ohio State. And so I love the idea
of stop punishing college kids for losing a game against
the great team. Your take on what the NCAA now
is really pivoting to, which is we're not going to
punish as much when you lose to good teams.
Speaker 10 (18:45):
I hope that happens, Colin.
Speaker 9 (18:46):
That's that's supposed to have been the rules since you know,
I remember from the BCS era, to the fourteen college
football playoff to the twelve teams. So I you know,
I got to reread this thing because that's confusing to me.
Strength to schedule has always been a big part of
the equation that the Committee is supposed to look at.
(19:08):
So maybe there's some more there's some type of analytics
that are going to use for that, but I guess
I'm confused. That's always been supposedly a part of what
the Committee looks at. I'm going to give you something
called I think the Committee needs to go away. I
love these new proposals that are out there about teams
playing to win. The Big Ten had one out there.
(19:29):
I'm not sure it's still out there anymore, but a
four four two two one, which means you take the
top six teens teams in the Big Ten and they
earn it on the field.
Speaker 10 (19:37):
There's no committee.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
So one would play two in the Big Ten championship game,
three would play five, four would play six, and there's
your four teams to go to the playoffs.
Speaker 10 (19:47):
So I hope they're at some point and this.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Is not against the committee, because I try to figure
out who the best teams are. That's my job to
watch the film. I'm wrong a lot of times. Yeah,
because you know, there's so many variables involved. So to
put that in the hotel room, a bunch of people
making decisions who's in and who's out. I much rather
come up with a system that this is a play
in tournament that you get in and the most important
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people make that decision, the players. If you win, you're in,
If you lose, you're out.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So the Buck guys have announced their starter, they said
it was closed. Julian sand I've only seen YouTube stuff.
I've only seen high schools.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
I don't I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I don't know what he's going to be. What do
you expect? What do you what do you know? What
do you hear on him?
Speaker 9 (20:30):
I hear a lot the many he walked on campus.
There is comments made about Dwayne Haskins type arm action
and this great release, the ball flies out of his hands.
He's got great anticipation accuracy, and then recently I heard
a lot about his escapability about to be able to
keep plays lives. So everything I'm mentioning are just incredible
attributes of a quarterback. So the interesting one is Keenholtz
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fought his ass off, which is you know, I'm a
fan of his and to see that, so they don't,
you know, I hear people say if you don't have
you know, if you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one.
I've always disagree with that. If you have two quarterbacks,
you have two quarterbacks, And so.
Speaker 10 (21:08):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (21:08):
I think at some point this will become a strength.
This is going to be really interesting to watch in
this game about the way two quarterback coaches who are
head coaches managed to first because you can say arch
Manning arch Manning is not much different than Julian's saying.
You know, he's not done a lot either, So you
better protect these quarterbacks. That means don't have many balls
down the middle of the field, work the outsides, and
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you know, give them a bunch of easy throws to
start that game, because it would be a mistake to
just hand the ball to these guys and let them
go play early in their careers like this.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So Belichick has forty transfers. So I've said, if I
was a college football coach, I'd try to limit it
to about ten. Sometimes you do need a slot corner
and you don't have it. So and Sark brought in
ten transfers. Mac Brown said, you know, it can be dicey.
It's hard to create chemistry with a high school recruiting team.
(22:03):
Not you know, at Florida before the nil you get
teams where the chemistry is an issue. To bring in
forty guys and try to build chemistry, how would you
do it? I mean, how do you have forty new
faces and make it work in six months?
Speaker 9 (22:20):
Well, some people have and then some people miss it
failed miserable. You know the recent one that failed miserable
was the Florida State. They go from an undefeated team
to a bunch of transfers and it didn't work out.
But then you saw, you know, Michigan State had the
lightning in the bottom of the one year and in
Colorado brought in a bunch of and turned around a
really poor program. So I think forty is a lot.
(22:42):
To answer your question, how do you develop chemistry and
culture on the team when you're getting them in June
and July. I'm going to answer honestly, I have no idea.
I don't know how you do that. Obviously, Coach Belichick's
a smart guy and he's got a great staff around him.
Speaker 10 (22:55):
He's going to figure it out.
Speaker 9 (22:56):
But to answer, you asked me a point blank question
on my answers, I don't have any idea.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So, Jeremiah Smith maybe the most talented freshman I've ever
seen in college football. I go back years in years.
This is an old school name. I remember a guy.
Pitt had a guy named Hugh Green years and years ago.
I can remember watching him as an underclassman in college
and thinking, man, he looks like a man. He's like
twenty years old, Hugh Green. Look it up? Is there?
(23:26):
If I said I thought Jeremiah Smith looked like a pro?
Was there in all your years at Florida, all your
years at Ohio State, Utah Bowling, Green, go through all
of it, Take out Jeremiah Smith. Was there ever a
freshman that walked on to any of your program? Here
he comes on a campus and you thought he probably
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could play in the NFL, Because I think Jeremiah Smith
could play in the NFL today. Did you ever have
one of those players?
Speaker 10 (23:52):
I did. I had one, Percy Harvin.
Speaker 9 (23:56):
We walked on campus, and I've never ever seen anything
like what could do with his skill set. To this day,
I still believe he's one of the greatest ever plays.
So let me say this about Jeremy Jeremiah too, and
I'm gonna do this on Big No Big Noon. He
pretty he had a great scenario last year, so an
elite wide receiver's best friends or number one a running
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quarterback Will Howard. They had that. Number two a strong
run game. They had that with two terrific running backs,
and number three a strong number two that was a mecca.
All three of those guys are gone, you know. The
running quarterback's gone, the strong run game's gone, and the
mecca's gone. So we're going to see how he does.
Because last year Texas, not one snap was played. I
(24:39):
just finished the film yesterday.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
Now.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
I called it the stop Jeremiah defense. Not one time,
Colin did they leave Jeremiah by himself. As a result,
he had a couple of catches for like say six yards.
So it was a perfect scenario for this talented guy
last year. This year it's completely different and he's still
as talent as he got. But teams will not leave
(25:01):
him singled up unless they can't. And if you don't
have a run game, you can put two guys on him.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, Urban Meyer as always great stuff.
Speaker 10 (25:11):
Coach.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Getting ready for the season. Gonna be on a plane
here in a few days.
Speaker 10 (25:15):
Can't wait.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So good to see your brother, all right, Urban Meyer, Yeah,
the yeah. He makes a good point that in Mecca Buka,
the kid that goes to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, that
kid is something else. I mean, that kid's running the
full route tree when he's like eighteen years old. He
is really good. John Middlelkoff of the News.
Speaker 10 (25:34):
No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
This is the herd Line news. Well, Colin.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Yesterday the Ravens, they had a little injury scare at
practice after it was reported Lamar Jackson left with a
hand injury, but it was later determined that he inadvertently
stepped on and left for precautionary reasons. Today, Lamar is
sitting out of practice ahead of the preseason finale, and
we'll have five days arrest before the Monday night practice
or the Monday's practice ahead of a week one?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Is this something? Is this nothing? Where you at with
Lamar Jackson? Colin?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I think when you when you move like Lamar Jackson,
I think you get banged up, you know, I don't.
I don't think Lamar Jackson will ever play a football
season for the rest of his life. By week four,
if he's totally healthy, he just you know, he moves,
he's fast, he bangs around in there. He's still not
one of the great sliders like a Kyler Murray, you know,
(26:28):
the baseball guy. So I don't it's it's I think
quarterbacks in this league. I think week four or five,
you got aches and pains, something's banged up.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Yeah, I mean sometimes people step on your foot. I
think the thing with Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen Mahomes, the
margin freer for those top teams to get the number
one seed. If any of them were to miss a
game or two and you lose because of it. That
could be the difference between a home game and an
away game.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
And we've seen.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
You know, the Chiefs are kind of numb to it.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
They can win anywhere, but the bill's huge difference playing
on the road or at home. Same thing with the Ravens.
I know they lost a couple of years ago, but
you know playing at home is a big deal. So
you know, to have these guys play seventeen games, I mean,
ideally get to sit the last game if you have
it all, you know, kind of tied up at the end.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Earlier this week, Daniel Jones was named the starter over
Anthony Richson after his poor preseason and training camp performances. Well,
we don't know when we can expect to see richardson
or center again. The quarterback coach, Cam Turner had a
very telling quote when he was asked about his quarterback.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
When you guys drafted Anthony, obviously the plan is number
to get to.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
This point, Benjamin second time. So looking back to you guys,
feel like what you fail Anthony?
Speaker 10 (27:38):
Did he fail you?
Speaker 9 (27:39):
Who?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Did you fail each other?
Speaker 6 (27:40):
I feel like I tried everything I can do, you know,
And I feel like he's given a great effort in
that aspect too.
Speaker 10 (27:45):
And I don't.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Think either way it's one of the other.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
I just think, you know, right now is not where
the consistency is, just not where we wanted it to be.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's pretty obvious.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
You know he comes.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
You watch that Cowboy documentary, are pretty sure that's Norv's son.
I mean, these guys, Shane Stiken, the Turner family, I mean,
these guys no offense.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
This isn't you know me or you coaching the guy?
So that quote let's just face it. They don't think.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Anthony Richardson's very good.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
I mean, there's just no way to sugarcoat. They just
don't think he's very good. And they chose Daniel Jones,
who most people don't think is good either, over him.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Not a great sign.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, and I think I think it's okay like this,
it's hard. This is I mean, if you go back
in the history of the NFL, maybe it's higher now,
but you get about one great quarterback of class now.
I think it made the average maybe one and a
half to two now because quarterbacks are getting more snaps
in high school and more private coaching. But if a
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quarterback draft class gives you two guys who signed like
a second contract with the same team that drafted him,
that's pretty good. So this is just I mean, it's
hard to find drafts where one of the first round
quarterbacks didn't miss. There's a few, but not many.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
I think, you know, Josh Allen happened, and a lot
of people tried to you know, force remember Draymond Green's like,
who's the next Draymond Green?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
There hasn't been one in a decade.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
They're not going to be another Josh Allen and they
tried and it blew up in their face. Okay, onto
baseball call where the Dodgers have gone from a commanding
division lead to a real race in the NL West.
Last night show, Hey Otani was on the mound and
had a rough outing, giving up five runs and took
a comebacker off the off the thigh, later forcing him
(29:36):
out of the game. Dave Roberts discussed Otani's injury and
the Dodgers poor play of late.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I was just really relieved that it was a thigh
because it hit him flush. And so again, if you're
if you're talking about the kneecap, you know that that's
that's a different conversation. So certainly, where I saw the
ballmark on his thigh, very very relieved relative to the situation.
The results of the result, the performance is the performance.
So it certainly speaks to it. You know, I'd like
(30:07):
to think it's not a letdown, but certainly when you
hear it at cores and kind of putting together some
of these at bats, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
I don't really answer.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
It has been a choppy season for the best roster
in baseball the Dodgers have. You're smiling there. I think you,
as a Bay Area guy, you probably love this, but
it's been choppy.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I also, they're under five hundred since the Al Star.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Right, do you remember, you know, the first year the
Warriors got Kevin Durant and they won sixty seven games.
They cruised the next couple of years. They just didn't
really care about the regular season. Baseball is a little
different that way. Obviously, Otani didn't pitch last year. I
also think the playoffs come. I mean, are are you
gonna bet against the Dodgers?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Now?
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Baseball a little different than football and basketball.
Speaker 10 (30:47):
Right.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
You can have the best roster and you're starting pitchings off.
If your bullpen's bad, which the Dodgers bullpen hasn't been great,
all of a sudden, you can find yourself down two
to two games and none against the Padres in the
first round. Yeah, you know, I stareing elimination in the face.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I just I feel like Snell and some of their pitchers, like,
I feel like if they could get pitching health, they'd
be fine. But it's just like this has been like
four years in a row. It feels like maybe three.
You know, It's like the San Francisco forty nine ers
wide receiver injuries. I feel the same way about the
Dodgers pitching injuries, like I can't explain it. I don't
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know the answer to it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Well, glassnow has hurt a lot. I mean part of
the reason they got them.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
My question is with Otani, pitching's not going great this year.
Just let's wait till next year to have him pitch.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Just let him hit.
Speaker 10 (31:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
John Middlecoff with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Well, that's the news.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
All right, Urban Meyer, Greg co Sell. Shador Sanders is
number three on the depth chart. We wrap it up
when we.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
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Speaker 1 (32:11):
All Right, story that broke about two hours into our show.
Kevin Stefanski. Here he is announcing the Browns quarterback situation
against the Rams.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
Joe will start the game, Dylan will play second, Shador
will play fit. He's feeling better and better, so borrowing
any step back if he comes in not feeling good tillmorrow,
which I don't anticipate he would play on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
So I went to Mary Kate Cabot. She does a
good job, and I read her tweet that Kevin Stefanski's
going with Flacco, then Dylan Gabriel second, and Shador third,
And then I went to a couple of message boards.
Doggie Doodoo dot com. Why is Dylan going second? Stefanski
is a clown, it says sheesh Man. They really sabotaging Sanders.
(33:03):
That's puppylove dot com, absolutely ridiculous. Give Gabriel the thirties,
clearly not performing at the level Sanders is this team's
an absolute joke. Okay, Well listen, John Middelkoff, I thought
said it eloquently. Sports is different the name of your city.
(33:26):
You know you got guys in your fantasy team. These
are not widgets. Uh, these are not like. This is
not data. Uh this these are these are players that
we you fall in love with, and that's what's great
about sports. People are going crazy, But I would say that, uh,
Stefanski is a pretty smart guy. Shador dropped to the fifth.
That was a message from the league. Stefanski's got him third.
(33:48):
That's a message from the Browns. So now. And also,
let's let's be honest. It's not the end of the road.
I mean, players improve, I mean it's you know, there's
a lot of stories. I mean Baker Mayfield and Sam
Darnold and Geno Smith are three examples of Wow, that
guy really can play at a really, really high level.
(34:09):
They all got paid. So you know, people, you know,
we people get really high on quarterbacks and then a
couple of years later, I mean people after four or
five starts. Oh, Kenny Pickett, Yeah, Kenny Pickett is now
fourth in the depth chart. So you know it ebbs
and flows on this stuff, you know. Co Cell Greg
(34:31):
co Cell a couple of weeks ago gave us a
little peak when he said Shador is not quite as
accurate as everybody says. I do think that Chadure moves better,
is bigger, and was really productive in college despite a
very average offensive roster. I thought he was really productive.
So that's what I saw with my eyes. But you
(34:53):
know it's not the you know, I've been wrong before.
This is this is Greg co Cell earlier on the
Browns quarterbacks situation.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Offensive coaches they think about how does a player work
within my scheme and what gabriel is Is. He's essentially
stylistically similar to a too attaga Iloa. Sanders is a
little different player. He's not quite as rhythmic, and he
has a tendency. And this showed up on tape, by
the way, even though the good outweighed the bad when
(35:23):
he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift a
little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in the pocket.
You know how many quarterbacks are the Browns going to keep?
No team keeps four quarterbacks, so it's going to be
interesting going down the stretch here. And then Sanders got
hurt and missed some time in practice, and that's not
going to help him.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
So my preseason prediction was Flacco wins it, Shador second,
Dylan third. They trade Kenny Pickett. So I'm a little
off right there, and we will see. Today actually gave
us a respite, a break from the Caleb Williams discussion.
It's just incredible. You know, the Cubs are playing great
(36:02):
baseball and Caleb Williams has taken over Chicago media. Everywhere
I go in Chicago. What do you think the Bears
are going to do? And I tell everybody I think
the over under is perfect. It's like eight and a
half wins. If you're optimistic, go with nine. They're not
going to be a twelve win team. You know, rookie
(36:22):
coach Caleb trying to kind of stylistically fit with Ben Johnson.
I think they you know, the best thing that could
happen to the Bears, honestly, And this is where you
have to be optimistic. Detroit's not going to be as good.
They're not going to be Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson
are elite coordinators. The guys that took over. What are
(36:44):
the chances they'll be as good or better? It's none.
And JJ McCarthy. If JJ McCarthy is just average, that's
good for the Bears. That would help because they went
one in five in division last year. And it's I
mean they and these people that are projecting them to
win double digit wins, they just don't do that much.
(37:05):
They don't so and a large part of that is
the team that's a you know, our train ride up
North Green Bay. So the schedule, I will argue the
Bears schedule is very workable. You get Minnesota at home,
if that's on the road, that's a tough opener. I
think at home you can win that game. Yes you're
(37:27):
at Detroit, but it's not the same team, and with
new coordinators, you could argue that Detroit won't find its
footing until about Thanksgiving with all the new coordinators. And
then it's Dallas at home, Raiders by Saints in a
couple of weeks after that. You know, New York Giants,
Pittsburgh at home. There's some double us here, and you
(37:48):
know at the end of the year they close out
with Detroit at home. If Detroit has the Division one,
they could rest starters. So I think there's two or
three games that seem like they're not terribly winnable. At Baltimore,
see is really tough to me. At Philadelphia is really
rough traveling, you know, a big chunk of the way
cross country at San Francisco when their wide receiving course
(38:09):
should be healthier. I think those that's a tough spot.
But I mean, best case scenario is they win that
home opener with Minnesota and Minnesota and Detroit take a
significant step back. That would be really good news because
you got to win those division games. They're not going
(38:30):
to go six and zero division, They're not going to
go five and one can they go five hundred because
I can find four or five wins in this schedule
not in their division. I think they're going to be Dallas,
the Raiders, the Saints, the Giants, Pittsburgh. You know they
got a little bit of a break. Those go either
way games. Saints at home, Giants at home, Steelers at home. Now,
(38:53):
those are winnable games. At Filly and at Baltimore, those
aren't winnable games. So Greg Cosel earlier on Ben and Caleb.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
The main part for Caleb Williams and the key for
Ben Johnson is everything from the huddle until the ball
is snapped. Because they call multiple plays in the huddle,
there's a lot of shifts, there's a lot of motions.
You've got to be able to do that with the
necessary speed and efficiency. So you get to the line
of scrimmage and there's time enough on the shot clock
(39:25):
because you're going to have the shifts, You're going to
have the motions. Now it's up to Caleb to decide
if there's two plays called, which one am I going
to run? That part of quarterbacking is the bigger deal
for Caleb Williams as he's learning the Ben Johnson offense.
Speaker 10 (39:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I think there's one team in this league that I
think Vegas made a mistake on. It's the Seahawks. They're
over under I think it's eight and a half. It
feels way too low. Their schedule is incredibly workable, the
all lines better coach in the second year. Darnold's an upgrade.
When I hear people talk about Chicago ten and eleven
and now you're trying to get to a territory where
(40:01):
you're overvaluing what they are. This division, the NFC had
like a two to three year gap, you know, where
it was really bad. It's not anymore. I mean, Chicago's
tough on its coaches and its quarterbacks. I mean Matt Naggy.
Think about this. They ran Matt Naggy out of town.
Matt Naggy made the playoffs with Mitch Trubisky, and at
(40:24):
that time, Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford, and Aaron Rodgers were
all not only in the same division, they were in
their primes or closer to their primes. And they got
Mitch Trabisky to the playoffs and they ran him out
of town. I can remember defending Matt Naggy. He reached
out to me and said thanks. They were just crushing him.
(40:45):
I'm like, you're getting into the playoffs in a division
with Aaron Rodgers twice a year, Stafford twice a year,
Kirk Cousin twice a year in their prime. You have
a fourth best quarterback of the division by a long shot,
and he made the playoffs twice. Well, the defense was good.
It's a quarterback league. Don't care of good your defense is.
(41:07):
It's a quarterback league. Joe Burrow couldn't get into the playoffs.
They had terrible defense. So they're at Chicago is tough
on their coaches and they're tough on their quarterbacks. So again,
I said, this week nine to eight feels very optimistic.
That's going three and three in division. If they go
three and three in division, they hold Serve at home,
(41:29):
they beat the Vikings in the opener at home, they
beat the Packers at home, they beat the Lions at home.
You know they're gonna be probably underdogs in those games,
but slight underdogs they win those games. I mean, there's
an optimistic way to look at this. The Lions rest
their starters in week eighteen. You know, the optimistic way
to look at it is. You know, the Giants move
(41:51):
off Russell Wilson, they're bad. They go with Jackson Dart
and you get a raw rookie quarterback in Chicago. You know,
just there's positive ways. Dallas is really bad and it
takes it takes Minnesota, JJ McCarthy. It's gonna take a
while to get that right. There's a way to optimistically
look at it. But the over unders in Vegas they
(42:14):
make money on fans betting the over. That's fans do
not bet the under. So I think nine and eight
is a very positive, very realistic. Look where are you
on there? I'm going to say nine and eight and
I feel like I'm being positive. Where are you?
Speaker 6 (42:28):
I like nine and eight two this weekend when you're
roaming around Chicago. Let everyone know that them extending the
backup quarterback is the first contract extension they've given a
quarterback since Jay Cutler that was the backup.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
It's sending a signal. What that signal is, We're not
sure
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