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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome back to the Herd.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
In between news about Travis Kelcey and Taylor, So if
we're gonna actually talk sports, because you know that's what
we're here for.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So bringing in.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
John Machoda, Cowboys reporter covering the team for the Athletic
h John, I'm sure you are just loving the dog
days of August as everybody waits for Jerry to blink
with Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
How are you spending your days right now?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Excited phone in hand, constantly seeing if there's anything that's changed. No,
it's fine. I mean it's not like this as new.
You know, this is what the Dallas cow Boys do.
They've done it with Dak Prescott, They've done it with
Ceedee Lamb, Zach Martin, Ezekiel Elliott, as Briant.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
I mean, list goes on and on and in the end.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
What happens is the players always end up getting their money.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
So it seems very ugly to people that.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Aren't around it, and it might even get uglier than
it is right now. But ultimately, Michael Parsons isn't going
anywhere and he will eventually get a new contract from
the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
They made the big splash move going after Pickens, so
the offense could actually be kind of good. I don't know,
Dak Prescott, healthy Pickens on the outside, Lamb on the outside,
like they could be good offensively. I just have so
many questions about the defense. And of course Schottenneimer's head coach,
I'm curious where you are was shoddy leading this team?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
I mean, I like him from a media perspective. He's
very media friendly. He certainly understands our job. But there's
just a lot of questions that I don't think have
been answered yet. I mean, there's only so much you
can get out of training camp. There's only so much
you can get out of preseason games where they're not
really playing many starters at all, And that's really been
the case for Dak Prescott for the last four or
five years, and so you really don't know, and then
(02:06):
you match in the George Pickens.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
And how he fits with the offense, the.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Fact that Brian has said that he's trying to be
as vanilla as possible at camp and then also in
these preseting games because he doesn't want anybody to know
what he can show on offense, and so certainly it
should be a good passing game. I just have questions
about the run game, and if you can't run the ball,
I don't know how teams don't just sit there and
drop two safeties as deep as possible and say I'm
(02:31):
not going to let Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens beat us.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
What is your counter to that? And that's what we
don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
They've moved off of the starting running back maybe three
years in a row.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I'm not sure if that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
But Rico had a good year last year and now
they were Javonte Williams listen.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
If you play fantasy, he's the kind of guy that
you pick up and then drop within a week because
he'll go for like five carries for like twelve yards
and you're like, this guy's not very good.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
You're right. The run game is a major problem, is
it not?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
It is, And I'm just stunned that over these last
two years there hasn't been a bigger move to add
a veteran running back or draft one in one of
the first two days of the draft. And so, as
we say here today, Javonte Williams will be the starter.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
So for those looking for who the.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Cowboy starter would be in fantasy, I would say Javonte Williams.
Jayden Blue, their fifth round pick out of Texas, would
be the guy that adds some juice to the offense.
But he's coming off of a little bit of an
ankle injury, and so I don't know how quickly he'll
be utilized. I'm sure he'll get some touches against Philadelphia,
but I don't think that he's enough to will push
Devonte Williams away and then behind them it's I think
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a little bit of Cavante Turpin the wide receiver might
be a little bit of a wild card there, maybe
two three touches a game. They will hand the ball
occasionally to Ceedee Lamb as well, and so I don't
think it is going to be just your you know,
solid normal Ezekiel Elliott, you know, DeMarco Murray type running game.
I think it's going to be a variety of things
that might even include the full back hunter lipkey.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's interesting listening to you talk about some of these guys.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I start looking at their draft history and Jerry, he's
had a couple whiffs in recent years. Huh last year,
nobody really distinguished themselves in the draft.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Two years ago they did all right. And then there's
the Vazzie.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Smith pick, which has been an unmitigated disaster. Like I listen,
I know he's a billionaire, he runs the team, but
at any point do you anticipate cowboys brass sitting down
and being like, guys, we're gonna have to do something here,
or is it there's just no chance of that happening?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Are your mind?
Speaker 6 (04:37):
In terms of Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Well, Jerry Jones watching every contract, Oh no, that will
never check him out.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
But no, that's not.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
As long as he's around, nobody will be stepping in
and saying, I mean we've seen it with this Michael
Parsons thing.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
It was I would say a.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Few months ago something where I can see Stephen Jones
being involved.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
It's done now.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
This is a Jerry situation, and it will get done
when Gary wants it to get done.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
So it remains that way.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Now, Jerry does listen to the people around him, you know,
I don't want it to come off as like he
just goes around and he just goes with whoever the
you know, the last person he talks to.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
There's a lot of rumors of that.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
He listens to people that are around him, but on
these big decisions, he's he's going to be the final
say on these things. And so that's why when you
see the Micah contract dragging out, people often ask me,
how do you think it'll be different when Steven Jones
is running the team? There won't be as many of
these things. I mean, Jerry has an ability to hold
a grudge like very few others, and where we're at
(05:36):
right now with that, I think is a great example
of it.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
And I don't think anybody can talk him out of it.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
He has to do it himself. So he's now going
on podcasts. He went on a podcast with Michael Orvan.
This is an eight a guy over eighty years old
going on a podcast and he's actually seems like he
was talking trash about this Mica situation with the agent
and shoving it up his butt and like it just
did not sound good at all. Have you spoken with
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Micah's agent and where's he on all this?
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Not recently?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
No, I don't have much contact with him. And that's
I think by design. David Mullagetta, who you're talking about,
Michael Parsons agent, much like Todd France.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
These are two of the top agents in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And Todd France doesn't do much media either, and he
represents Dak Prescott and has gotten Dak Prescott two.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Of the most incredible deals.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
The last two times that they've gone to the table
against Jerry Jones, they've no question won those battles. And
so if you're David Mullagetta, why not do the exact
same thing. You don't need to get in a war
of words. You let everything take care of itself and
let Jerry do what he does, say what he says,
but the track record speaks for itself, and that Jerry
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ends up paying all of these players.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Things got ugly with Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
I remember being in Hawaii for a preseason game where
Tony Poward looked pretty good and Zeke was in a holdout,
and myself and a couple other reporters are standing with
Jerry after the game and he said Zeke who, as
if Zeke wasn't needed for the team, And then you know,
you fast forward three weeks later, if that he's signing
Zeke and then they're holding a T shirt up that
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says Zeke who, and everybody's laughing and having a good time.
So it's like Jerry is fine with everything getting ugly.
The issue you run into is it causes problems for
everybody else. And the players will say it's not a distraction,
and the coaches will say it's not a distraction, but
it's an issue not to have your best player on
the field throughout training.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Camp with the new coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
And so even if this gets done in the eleventh hour,
it's cost you all that time when Micah could have
been on the field with this new defensive coordinator, with
this new coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, what about lying on the table. I know it
only was brief, it barely happened, but it happened. You know,
everybody wants to make a big deal out of it.
Schottenheimer getting asked about it afterward, I'm just talk me
through watching it go down in your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah, so where it's in the third quarter And another
media member mentioned it to me and said, hey, look
at where Mike is at and I was like, okay,
you know, of course, being the journalist that I am,
i snapped a picture with my phone, but I'm like, yeah,
maybe it just is going to last for like thirty seconds,
not a big deal. And then a minute goes by,
two minutes go by three, four or five minutes, and
(08:19):
I'm like, all right, well I'm posting this. Others have
already posted this. It just doesn't look good. But with
that being said, even when things are going well with
the Cowboys, that have gone well with Mike in the past,
he isn't the best body language guy.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Whether you're at practice or whatever.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
And it was kind of funny that Dak Prescott made
mention of that yesterday when we talked to him about
you know, Mikeah's body language has clearly been that he
doesn't want to be at these practices, He does not
want to be at these preseason games.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
He wants a new contract, and.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
So even Dak joke that, you know, it's not like
he's ever been the best in that category in terms
of the body language. But it's very clear that Mike
is frustrated and that while he wants to be there
for his teammates, he wants to try I drive this
hard bargain that I'm not going to be out there
until I get this new contract. And now you basically
have these two trains headed towards each other, and who's
(09:08):
going to give first, you know, or are they just
going to run into each other and it's going to
be a disaster. I seem to think someone's going to
give in eventually. I just don't know if it's week one.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Ooh oh.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So you're saying you think there's like a maybe fifty
percent chance Micah does not play in week one. The
line's kind of pinballing between seven and six. It's at seven. Now,
I guess that's assuming, Hey, Michael Parza playing week one.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
So I when I was saying that, I kind of
meant that a contract.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Might not be done week one.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
I think to give you percentages, I would say, I
think that's an eighty percent chance that Michael Parsons is
on the field. I think there's a seventy five percent
chance that it's without a new contract. I think that
Jerry's pretty dug in on this one. Someone has to
make a first call. He still hasn't talked to David Mullagetta.
A deal is not going to get done until he
talks to David. And so who makes that first call.
(09:55):
I don't get the sense that David's going to make
that call. And so does this just come down you
Jerry Jones one night, having one extra Johnny Walker blue and.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Giving in and making this call. Maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Good stuff, all right, John? You even know his drink.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
John Majoda covers the Cowboys for the athletic good stuff man,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
All right boy, that is a tough job. Rachel, listen,
I know you covered some beats.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Sam.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I just can't imagine being on the Dallas Cowboys, this
crap school every single year. Oh.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
The only saving grace is that you usually can find
Jerry Jones at a bar somewhere and get quotes from him.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Probably great stuff.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
A lot of ownership in the NFL. You can't say
the same for so at least they've got plenty of fouts.
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Speaker 3 (11:47):
All right, let's go to Rachel with the news.
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Speaker 7 (11:55):
Huge news in the world of entertainment. Jason, you know it,
you love it. Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift took to
Instagram to announce their engagement in a joint post. The
caption reads, quote, your English teacher and your gym teacher
are getting married. Post already has seven and a half
million likes on Instagram.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
It's been up for less than an hour.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
You got take, well, I gotta take. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Let's just say there's some guys on staff here, Rachel
who are.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Not as keen on the story as you and I.
You seem to love this stuff. I'm into it.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
Listen, you're not in like week eight of the of
the NFL season, guys, Yeah, this happens even training camp anymore.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
If this happens next Thursday, an hour before the kickoff,
it's like done as soon as it all kicks off. Yeah,
then it's gambling and fantasy and football. Yeah, but you're right,
these are the dull days of August.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Well to give you, to give you sort of the
world interest in this couple, if not the people on
the Fox Sports staff. When she was on his podcast
just a couple of weeks ago, it set a Guinness
World record, a Guinness World Record most ever listened to
live podcast interview ever ever.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
So there you can tight we you know, we joked
about like the Caitlin Clark impact.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
If you just put her in your.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Podcast title, your your podcast down.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Let's go up like that was a thing for like
a year.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah. I wonder how many podcasts tomorrow in sports we'll
have Taylor Swift in the headline, just because people will
automatically they want to know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
There's an obsession, right.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
Here's my last nugget on this you ready engagement ring.
I'm not going to put you on the spot and
ask you how much you spent on yours, but Travis Kelsey,
how much do you think you put out for that
engagement ring?
Speaker 9 (13:40):
I'll give you. I'll give you a little context.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
It's eight carrots, no stop it, eight carrots carrots?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Is he bankrupt? That's expensive as hell? By the way,
the post now has twelve million likes.
Speaker 9 (13:52):
Well, there you go, more than half a million dollars record.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I'll just.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
She's going to be a three million dollars.
Speaker 9 (14:02):
More than half a million.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
So five to fifty, Oh, that's not that bad. I
mean with Travis Kelty, he's got money. Does he lead
the NFL in commercials?
Speaker 9 (14:12):
So did you spend what for eighty on your.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Nope, that's not that bad.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Five fifty not spent close enough.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
Let's tuck a football.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Joe Mixon has been dealing with an ankle injury this offseason.
Speaker 9 (14:26):
This has been a huge mystery.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
He's been unable to practice during OTA's Mini caamp. His
last time participating with the team came in their Divisional
round loss to the Chiefs, and yesterday the team announced
Mixon would not be activated from the non football injury
list that at the deadline. That means he has to
miss at least the first four weeks of the season,
and who knows if it's better by then. Jason, we
(14:49):
don't know what happened. It was just in away from
football injury. That's all we've been told. How do you
think this is going to impact?
Speaker 9 (14:56):
CJ.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Stroud, who obviously wanted to have a bounce back season
now doesn't have his le running guard.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, it was jet Ski accident or something like that.
You know that stuff's not good. Although I did go
on to jet Ski recently it was awesome. So they're
they have an entire new offensive line. They're gonna they're
starting running back. I guess will be Nick Chubb, who
was not with the team until recently.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
C J.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Stroud got sacked like seventy billion times last I think.
And they're facing the Rams in the opener.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Are you gonna go to the game. It's so fun. Yeah, yeah,
it should be. That should be good. I think the
Rams beat them in that. I'm not as high on
the Texans as everyone else. I know, two years.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Ago they were awesome, and last year they made the playoffs.
I don't I personally don't see it. I've cooled a
little bit. The defense is gonna be filthy, led by
will Anderson and company.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
But I I like the Rams in that openum. That
mixed and loss is big.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Now, if you get mixed and healthy Mixon and Chubb,
that's pretty nasty. Everybody's rooting for Nick Chubb, who was
just all around good guy.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, we're all on in the Texans this year.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
I mean, this was this changed my opinion somewhat.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I liked the idea of turning off around somewhat because
Stroud and the new coordinator seem to really have hit
it off and there seems to be a real symbiosis
to how they're running things. CJ is actually going to
get more discretion over plays, calls at the line, stuff
like that this year, so I think he's going to
thrive in that environment. But again, this is a huge
deal and you're throwing around Nick Chubb like it's the
(16:18):
Nick Chubb of two years ago. He's coming back from
such a gruesome injury. He didn't even start playing again.
He missed most of the year he got hurt. Because
I think that was like in Week two or something.
He didn't come back for another year plus into week seven,
and then his first game back I looked it up,
he had eleven carries for twenty two yards.
Speaker 9 (16:37):
That's not what you want.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Now.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Obviously, you know you get better and better as you
come back, but there's no guarantee what Nick Chubb is
going to be and if for at least four weeks
maybe more, CJS doesn't have that kind of threat.
Speaker 9 (16:48):
I think that's a little bit of a fact.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Even the wide receiver room.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I mean, Nico Collins, a really good Christian Kirk is
hit or missed.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
The young kid.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Jayden Higgins, the draft pick, He's supposed to be a
big deal. Tank Dell can't stay healthy, like just unlucky
for the Texans.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
Yeah yeah, not a good start that they wanted.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
However, there are more teams in worse shape, Jason, because
we now have odds on the hottest seat among head
coaches otherwise known as which NFL coach is most likely
to be fired first. Vegas is looking at Mike at
Mike McDaniel, which you know, looking at you man.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
The rest of the top five.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Let's take a look Mike McDaniel, by the way, plus
two hundred, Brian Davil plus four hundred, Chansteak in seven hundred,
and then we get to tie Dave Canalis Kevin Stefanski
seven to fifty.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
So look at the screen, Dolphins at Colt and India
is favored.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
How is that?
Speaker 9 (17:43):
It mean terrible? Have you discussed their quarterback situation lately?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I mean I don't, I don't. How do you not
take the Dolphins there.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
By the way, the two coach two of the top
three coaches to be first fired, dueling it out in
Week one.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yes, I would like the Dolphins there.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Now, I don't know what's going up with Devin h
chan Tyreek Hill always seemed to be a mystery. So
it's possible that Miami imploats because you know, it looks like.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
That's McDaniels, the kind of.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Guy who could easily lose the locker room. I like
him personally. I mean I don't know him personally, but
I like everything I've read about him and heard.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
Well, that's it.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
He's obviously super media friendly, right, and he's just different,
I mean presented as like I embraced my inner nerd, right,
just different from all the coaches, but the coach speak
that you see a.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
Year after year.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
So I think he became a bit of a media darling.
Obviously had early success, offensive genius.
Speaker 9 (18:33):
All of that stuff.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
But there's an interesting article in the Washington Post I
saw where they interviewed a couple GMS right of other
teams in the league.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
Here are some of the quotes.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
It's kind of a dead man walking thing, isn't it.
The quote was what he's selling doesn't look like it's
playing in the locker room anymore. The thing looks like
it's falling apart. Another GM said, Miami feels like a
ticking time bomb. The head coach was all fun and
games for a while, but there's not enough tough love.
Speaker 9 (18:56):
So that speaks to the culture.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
That you were referencing, and I think that's why it's
it's just And also everyone else Nancy's improved, right, they
didn't improve Jets.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I don't know, we'll see, but yeah, Patriots got a
lot better. Bill's Super Bowl favorites. It's tough for McDaniel.
You know, he didn't play, and I'm a kind.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Of guy who's rooting for underdogs. I would consider him
an underdog.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
No, oh, absolutely, But how do He's kind of amazing
he got to this process, He got a considering. There's
so much groupthink in football, right, Well, let's go out,
not go out on a limb. Let's do the safe thing.
I'm gonna look bad as a GM or an owner
if I take some wild chance, if I get a
guy who's typical for that position and he doesn't work,
no one's going to like single me out. But if
I hire Mike McDaniel, people might be what were they think?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Outside of the box risky?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I like it, yeah, I mean as an outside the
box guy, website guy.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I love it. Good stuff. Rachel with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
All right.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Coming up next, we've got a former NFL coach to
talk about this Shiner Dylan Gabriel situation.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And also the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Is this the year that's next on the Herd?
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Speaker 4 (20:20):
All right, we have a great guest stopping brought by
right now. Brian Billick, legendary coach in the NFL, won
a Super Bowl with the Ravens. He is vacationing. Look
at that summer home. Looks beautiful. You guys got cable
TV up there, right, Yeah, and we actually get radio
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and the phone works and it's all great.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, we're up here.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
It's Gott's country up here near the Canadian border, and
the temperature is perfect and that's good golf.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And what about preseason action? Are you just digging into it?
Are you more like, let me play some golf.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You know, I kind of on the periphery.
Speaker 10 (20:58):
I'll wait to the regular season where the crank so,
you know, it's exciting that the regular season is cranking up.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So I'll do a little more of a deep dive.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Now it's for real, Yes, now that it actually matters,
I like that. Let me just start with this. Obviously,
there was a trade. The Browns got rid of Kenny Pickett.
So they said for months that the Cleveland Browns are like, oh,
we can have four quarterbacks on the roster.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
We will do it. We're prepared. And of course they
didn't do it. It didn't even come close. And they trade
a picket.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
What do you think this does to that quarterback room
with two rookies and a forty year old Joe Flacco
who you are kind of familiar with.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
Yeah, Flacco can be a great mentor for them, although
knowing Joe, I don't know that that's really how he
sees it because he wants to play.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But yeah, he can be that. He brings a.
Speaker 10 (21:44):
Wealth of knowledge to it. But at the end of
the day, the Browns have got to make a decision.
They've got to make a decision right now because at
some point those rookies are going to play. And I'm
a big believer that if you draft a guy, you
need to play them, particularly in the first round. Now
they don't have that first round pick, so when it
comes to shudor Sanders, there's really no pressure. It's not
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like he was a first round pick where you basically
have to start this guy. The fact that he was
what a fifth round pig. They can do with it
however they want to. If they choose to go with
Flacco and let that go until all of a sudden,
now something happens either to Flacco or the season hasn't
gone well enough, and go with the other guys. But
I think Kevin Stefanski he needs more success right now
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than maybe what the two rookie quarterbacks might give it.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Yeah, it's interesting you phrase it that way because some
people are like, hey, he's won Coach of the Year twice.
We had a reporter covering the team said Stefanski's safe.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
You go three and fourteen last year with a win
total that was projected to be nine. What if they
win four games this year, Gabriel stinks, shad Or stinks
like well, stefanskis safe. I'm sure you've dealt with some
of these kinds of stories around the league where the
owners like, oh, it's fine, and then come December, it
ain't fine.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
No, Coke, the word coach and safe don't belong in
the same sentence, let alone the same paragraph. Because that's
the pressure of the National Football League. But that is
the challenging from right now. If they go with Flacco
and go with the veteran quarterback because they think they're
a pretty good team and Joe has shown that they
can win with Joe, then that's great. But if it
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doesn't and if he doesn't play well or the team
doesn't play well, now you have to go with the
young guys.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I don't know that now.
Speaker 10 (23:27):
To kick into the motive, well, they've got young quarterbacks,
so it's just a matter of how well do they develop.
It really doesn't matter how well the season goes. I
think Kevin Stefanski's long enough with the Browns. That might
be a tough sell, so to two.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Other young quarterbacks around the league.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I just saw the Saints have announced Spencer Rattler has
won the job and he will get the quarterback spot
in the opener. They just drafted a guy, Tyler Shuck
who's twenty five, in the second round.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Like, what do these teams do?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Ran?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It just is puzzling. Spencer Rattler was awful last year.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Why don't you see what you've got in the young guy,
the rookie that you just drafted.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
Well, that's the decision they have to make, and they've
seen enough to feel like I guess they think Rattler,
if this is well, we'll start with him and then
we'll move to the second rounder.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That doesn't bode well. That usually doesn't go well.
Speaker 10 (24:24):
Because now you're really counting on what if he does
play well? And Rattler is one of those guys that
can look really really good or it can look really
really bad. If you can keep it on the thirty
pitch count and you can get the good Spencer Rattler,
that's great.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
If he has to throw the.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Ball forty forty five times, now you're going to see
everything that he is and that's some good and that's
some bad.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
So, like I said, even though he's.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
Only a second round pick, I'm very much a believer
that you've got to play the quarterbacks that you draft
early to find out what you have.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Totally agree.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Let's go to the team you know, well, the Baltimore Ravens.
You want a super Bowl there in year two, listen close.
They have all the personnel, Their super Bowl odds are there.
It really comes down to the big postseason games and
Lamar either hasn't delivered or Mark Andrews dropped the pass.
I know you get asked about it a lot, but
your thoughts on the Ravens heading end of the season.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, they're as good as anybody in the National Football League.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
They've got as dynamic a player at quarterback next to
maybe Patrick Mahomes as there is in the league. They
have they played great, solid defense, So you're right. I mean,
they have been there, and it's been a play here,
been a play there, and you can't just dismiss that.
But by the same token, they've been in that position.
So there's no reason to think they're not going to
be in that position again. And I got to believe
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that given the same situation, next time Mark Andrews catches
the ball. So yeah, I think they're clearly going to
be right there. They're going to be in the hunt
notwithstanding injury, and they're as good as anybody in the
National Football League.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, listen, it's tough, man.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Not everybody can win a Super Bowl like Dan Marino
got there, never got back. John Elway could not deliver
until he gets Terrell Davis late in his career. Like,
these are things Lamar and Josh Allen are still relatively young, right,
I mean, is there are we putting too much pressure
on these guys or is it that Patrick Mahomes has
just changed the equation with all his early success.
Speaker 10 (26:14):
No, I don't think you're putting too much pressure on them,
because that pressure exists. At the end of the day,
they've got to get to that next level. They've proven
they have the abilities to do all the other things,
and they're with teams that are good enough to take
that next step. Now, they happen to be at a
time when when you also have Patrick Mahomes and the
Kansas City Chiefs. It's like, you know, Phil Micholson's a
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phenomenal golfer, but he obviously grew up in an era
of tiger Woods, and there's no denying that that's a
part of how you look at a Phil Mickelson and
everything that he accomplished as opposed to what he could
have accomplished. Well, the same thing with Lamar, the same
thing with Allan. That it comes down to it that
it's going to be compared because they clearly are contemporaries
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with Mahomes. They are on good enough teams and it's
just a matter of your right. When you get that
final games, things have to fall into place. The Ravens
did everything they needed to to be in that position
except that final draw by Mark Ambers.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
That's a tough one. Now I see the what shirt there?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
X Tech?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
You're promoting x Tech? You can tell us a little
about it.
Speaker 10 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean this is the fourteenth season, and but
you know this is this is the pad. It's the
best pad. It's the number one patent. Pro and major
college football players like we just talked about Josh Allen, Justin, Jefferson,
Fred Warner, Elite colleges, Oregon, USC, Penn State, and the
like the top high school programs in the country, they're
all wearing and using x Tech pads because it is
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the best pad. You know, in the old days, it
was old you know, big pads on big guys and
little pads on little guys. It's not that way anymore.
With the technology we have. This is AI driven. We
have fourteen years of data now that these basically pads
are basically form fitted for the athlete based on height, weight, age, position,
injury history, the things, you know, all the things that
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they should be based on. It's absolutely the best paddits
the pad our young people need to be in. I'm
really gratified to see parents now vesting themselves in the process.
They're going to xtechpads dot com. They're seeing the difference
in this in this pad, seeing the difference that it
makes for their players, because nothing's more important than keeping
these players safe in what is a very volatile and
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physical game. X Tech pads is that next level of protection.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
That's awesome, man, Congratulations on that, and thank you very
much for taking the time.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Enjoy the rest of your summer.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Up.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
All right, we'll do it, all.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Right, Brian, thanks a lot. Brian Billick, super Bowl champ
with the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
It's interesting. I was just looking at his bio, Rachel,
are you ready for this?
Speaker 4 (28:44):
He was drafted in the eleventh round in nineteen seventy seven,
two hundred.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
And ninety fifth pick. Can you believe they had that
many picks?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yes, early seventies, I didn't, or mid seventies. That's kind
of wild. I was going to ask him about brock Perdy,
but I didn't know how to weave.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You were an eleventh round pick.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
What do you think, mister relevant starting for an team?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Anyways?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
By the way, obviously Rachel and I are surviving the
Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift engagement. I mean very exciting news.
The memes are flying. I mean I saw a funny
one about the how Navidia and Taylor Swift are propping
up the US economy.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Reported here first Jason right here on this show. The
Dale Jones spiked after the engagement announce.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
What a world we live in?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I mean, so we got news on day one yesterday
with Terry McClure in middle of the show, and then
today the engagement. So maybe Micah Wednesday and then can
we can we keep getting news every day?
Speaker 9 (29:44):
Y'all are way more optimistic than me.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I do not think this Micah Parson Steel is getting
done anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Okay, all right, uh little pessimist I am, I.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
Am pat I mean, look it might be last minute
Dack style thing, but I just don't see anyone but.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Jerry think about the shows, the content. That's what we do,
all right. Day two in the books. Man, what a
fun show.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome back to the Herd.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
In between news about Travis Kelcey and Taylor, So if
we're gonna actually talk sports, because you know that's what
we're here for.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So bringing in.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
John Machoda, Cowboys reporter covering the team for the Athletic
h John, I'm sure you are just loving the dog
days of August as everybody waits for Jerry to blink
with Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
How are you spending your days right now?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Excited phone in hand, constantly seeing if there's anything that's changed. No,
it's fine. I mean it's not like this as new.
You know, this is what the Dallas cow Boys do.
They've done it with Dak Prescott, They've done it with
Ceedee Lamb, Zach Martin, Ezekiel Elliott, as Briant.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
I mean, list goes on and on and in the end.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
What happens is the players always end up getting their money.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
So it seems very ugly to people that.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Aren't around it, and it might even get uglier than
it is right now. But ultimately, Michael Parsons isn't going
anywhere and he will eventually get a new contract from
the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
They made the big splash move going after Pickens, so
the offense could actually be kind of good. I don't know,
Dak Prescott, healthy Pickens on the outside, Lamb on the outside,
like they could be good offensively. I just have so
many questions about the defense. And of course Schottenneimer's head coach,
I'm curious where you are was shoddy leading this team?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
I mean, I like him from a media perspective. He's
very media friendly. He certainly understands our job. But there's
just a lot of questions that I don't think have
been answered yet. I mean, there's only so much you
can get out of training camp. There's only so much
you can get out of preseason games where they're not
really playing many starters at all, And that's really been
the case for Dak Prescott for the last four or
five years, and so you really don't know, and then
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you match in the George Pickens.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
And how he fits with the offense, the.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Fact that Brian has said that he's trying to be
as vanilla as possible at camp and then also in
these preseting games because he doesn't want anybody to know
what he can show on offense, and so certainly it
should be a good passing game. I just have questions
about the run game, and if you can't run the ball,
I don't know how teams don't just sit there and
drop two safeties as deep as possible and say I'm
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not going to let Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens beat us.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
What is your counter to that? And that's what we
don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
They've moved off of the starting running back maybe three
years in a row.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I'm not sure if that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
But Rico had a good year last year and now
they were Javonte Williams listen.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
If you play fantasy, he's the kind of guy that
you pick up and then drop within a week because
he'll go for like five carries for like twelve yards
and you're like, this guy's not very good.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
You're right. The run game is a major problem, is
it not?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
It is, And I'm just stunned that over these last
two years there hasn't been a bigger move to add
a veteran running back or draft one in one of
the first two days of the draft. And so, as
we say here today, Javonte Williams will be the starter.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
So for those looking for who the.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Cowboy starter would be in fantasy, I would say Javonte Williams.
Jayden Blue, their fifth round pick out of Texas, would
be the guy that adds some juice to the offense.
But he's coming off of a little bit of an
ankle injury, and so I don't know how quickly he'll
be utilized. I'm sure he'll get some touches against Philadelphia,
but I don't think that he's enough to will push
Devonte Williams away and then behind them it's I think
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a little bit of Cavante Turpin the wide receiver might
be a little bit of a wild card there, maybe
two three touches a game. They will hand the ball
occasionally to Ceedee Lamb as well, and so I don't
think it is going to be just your you know,
solid normal Ezekiel Elliott, you know, DeMarco Murray type running game.
I think it's going to be a variety of things
that might even include the full back hunter lipkey.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's interesting listening to you talk about some of these guys.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I start looking at their draft history and Jerry, he's
had a couple whiffs in recent years. Huh last year,
nobody really distinguished themselves in the draft.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Two years ago they did all right. And then there's
the Vazzie.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Smith pick, which has been an unmitigated disaster. Like I listen,
I know he's a billionaire, he runs the team, but
at any point do you anticipate cowboys brass sitting down
and being like, guys, we're gonna have to do something here,
or is it there's just no chance of that happening?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Are your mind?
Speaker 6 (04:37):
In terms of Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Well, Jerry Jones watching every contract, Oh no, that will
never check him out.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
But no, that's not.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
As long as he's around, nobody will be stepping in
and saying, I mean we've seen it with this Michael
Parsons thing.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
It was I would say a.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Few months ago something where I can see Stephen Jones
being involved.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
It's done now.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
This is a Jerry situation, and it will get done
when Gary wants it to get done.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
So it remains that way.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Now, Jerry does listen to the people around him, you know,
I don't want it to come off as like he
just goes around and he just goes with whoever the
you know, the last person he talks to.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
There's a lot of rumors of that.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
He listens to people that are around him, but on
these big decisions, he's he's going to be the final
say on these things. And so that's why when you
see the Micah contract dragging out, people often ask me,
how do you think it'll be different when Steven Jones
is running the team? There won't be as many of
these things. I mean, Jerry has an ability to hold
a grudge like very few others, and where we're at
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right now with that, I think is a great example
of it.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
And I don't think anybody can talk him out of it.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
He has to do it himself. So he's now going
on podcasts. He went on a podcast with Michael Orvan.
This is an eight a guy over eighty years old
going on a podcast and he's actually seems like he
was talking trash about this Mica situation with the agent
and shoving it up his butt and like it just
did not sound good at all. Have you spoken with
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Micah's agent and where's he on all this?
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Not recently?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
No, I don't have much contact with him. And that's
I think by design. David Mullagetta, who you're talking about,
Michael Parsons agent, much like Todd France.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
These are two of the top agents in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And Todd France doesn't do much media either, and he
represents Dak Prescott and has gotten Dak Prescott two.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Of the most incredible deals.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
The last two times that they've gone to the table
against Jerry Jones, they've no question won those battles. And
so if you're David Mullagetta, why not do the exact
same thing. You don't need to get in a war
of words. You let everything take care of itself and
let Jerry do what he does, say what he says,
but the track record speaks for itself, and that Jerry
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ends up paying all of these players.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Things got ugly with Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
I remember being in Hawaii for a preseason game where
Tony Poward looked pretty good and Zeke was in a holdout,
and myself and a couple other reporters are standing with
Jerry after the game and he said Zeke who, as
if Zeke wasn't needed for the team, And then you know,
you fast forward three weeks later, if that he's signing
Zeke and then they're holding a T shirt up that
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says Zeke who, and everybody's laughing and having a good time.
So it's like Jerry is fine with everything getting ugly.
The issue you run into is it causes problems for
everybody else. And the players will say it's not a distraction,
and the coaches will say it's not a distraction, but
it's an issue not to have your best player on
the field throughout training.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Camp with the new coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
And so even if this gets done in the eleventh hour,
it's cost you all that time when Micah could have
been on the field with this new defensive coordinator, with
this new coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, what about lying on the table. I know it
only was brief, it barely happened, but it happened. You know,
everybody wants to make a big deal out of it.
Schottenheimer getting asked about it afterward, I'm just talk me
through watching it go down in your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah, so where it's in the third quarter And another
media member mentioned it to me and said, hey, look
at where Mike is at and I was like, okay,
you know, of course, being the journalist that I am,
i snapped a picture with my phone, but I'm like, yeah,
maybe it just is going to last for like thirty seconds,
not a big deal. And then a minute goes by,
two minutes go by three, four or five minutes, and
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I'm like, all right, well I'm posting this. Others have
already posted this. It just doesn't look good. But with
that being said, even when things are going well with
the Cowboys, that have gone well with Mike in the past,
he isn't the best body language guy.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Whether you're at practice or whatever.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
And it was kind of funny that Dak Prescott made
mention of that yesterday when we talked to him about
you know, Mikeah's body language has clearly been that he
doesn't want to be at these practices, He does not
want to be at these preseason games.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
He wants a new contract, and.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
So even Dak joke that, you know, it's not like
he's ever been the best in that category in terms
of the body language. But it's very clear that Mike
is frustrated and that while he wants to be there
for his teammates, he wants to try I drive this
hard bargain that I'm not going to be out there
until I get this new contract. And now you basically
have these two trains headed towards each other, and who's
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going to give first, you know, or are they just
going to run into each other and it's going to
be a disaster. I seem to think someone's going to
give in eventually. I just don't know if it's week one.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Ooh oh.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So you're saying you think there's like a maybe fifty
percent chance Micah does not play in week one. The
line's kind of pinballing between seven and six. It's at seven. Now,
I guess that's assuming, Hey, Michael Parza playing week one.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
So I when I was saying that, I kind of
meant that a contract.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Might not be done week one.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
I think to give you percentages, I would say, I
think that's an eighty percent chance that Michael Parsons is
on the field. I think there's a seventy five percent
chance that it's without a new contract. I think that
Jerry's pretty dug in on this one. Someone has to
make a first call. He still hasn't talked to David Mullagetta.
A deal is not going to get done until he
talks to David. And so who makes that first call.
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I don't get the sense that David's going to make
that call. And so does this just come down you
Jerry Jones one night, having one extra Johnny Walker blue and.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Giving in and making this call. Maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Good stuff, all right, John? You even know his drink.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
John Majoda covers the Cowboys for the athletic good stuff man,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
All right boy, that is a tough job. Rachel, listen,
I know you covered some beats.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Sam.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I just can't imagine being on the Dallas Cowboys, this
crap school every single year. Oh.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
The only saving grace is that you usually can find
Jerry Jones at a bar somewhere and get quotes from him.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Probably great stuff.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
A lot of ownership in the NFL. You can't say
the same for so at least they've got plenty of fouts.
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Speaker 3 (11:47):
All right, let's go to Rachel with the news.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
No, no, turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Huge news in the world of entertainment. Jason, you know it,
you love it. Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift took to
Instagram to announce their engagement in a joint post. The
caption reads, quote, your English teacher and your gym teacher
are getting married. Post already has seven and a half
million likes on Instagram.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
It's been up for less than an hour.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
You got take, well, I gotta take. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Let's just say there's some guys on staff here, Rachel
who are.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Not as keen on the story as you and I.
You seem to love this stuff. I'm into it.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
Listen, you're not in like week eight of the of
the NFL season, guys, Yeah, this happens even training camp anymore.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
If this happens next Thursday, an hour before the kickoff,
it's like done as soon as it all kicks off. Yeah,
then it's gambling and fantasy and football. Yeah, but you're right,
these are the dull days of August.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Well to give you, to give you sort of the
world interest in this couple, if not the people on
the Fox Sports staff. When she was on his podcast
just a couple of weeks ago, it set a Guinness
World record, a Guinness World Record most ever listened to
live podcast interview ever ever.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
So there you can tight we you know, we joked
about like the Caitlin Clark impact.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
If you just put her in your.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Podcast title, your your podcast down.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Let's go up like that was a thing for like
a year.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah. I wonder how many podcasts tomorrow in sports we'll
have Taylor Swift in the headline, just because people will
automatically they want to know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
There's an obsession, right.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
Here's my last nugget on this you ready engagement ring.
I'm not going to put you on the spot and
ask you how much you spent on yours, but Travis Kelsey,
how much do you think you put out for that
engagement ring?
Speaker 9 (13:40):
I'll give you. I'll give you a little context.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
It's eight carrots, no stop it, eight carrots carrots?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Is he bankrupt? That's expensive as hell? By the way,
the post now has twelve million likes.
Speaker 9 (13:52):
Well, there you go, more than half a million dollars record.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I'll just.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
She's going to be a three million dollars.
Speaker 9 (14:02):
More than half a million.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
So five to fifty, Oh, that's not that bad. I
mean with Travis Kelty, he's got money. Does he lead
the NFL in commercials?
Speaker 9 (14:12):
So did you spend what for eighty on your.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Nope, that's not that bad.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Five fifty not spent close enough.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
Let's tuck a football.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Joe Mixon has been dealing with an ankle injury this offseason.
Speaker 9 (14:26):
This has been a huge mystery.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
He's been unable to practice during OTA's Mini caamp. His
last time participating with the team came in their Divisional
round loss to the Chiefs, and yesterday the team announced
Mixon would not be activated from the non football injury
list that at the deadline. That means he has to
miss at least the first four weeks of the season,
and who knows if it's better by then. Jason, we
(14:49):
don't know what happened. It was just in away from
football injury. That's all we've been told. How do you
think this is going to impact?
Speaker 9 (14:56):
CJ.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Stroud, who obviously wanted to have a bounce back season
now doesn't have his le running guard.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, it was jet Ski accident or something like that.
You know that stuff's not good. Although I did go
on to jet Ski recently it was awesome. So they're
they have an entire new offensive line. They're gonna they're
starting running back. I guess will be Nick Chubb, who
was not with the team until recently.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
C J.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Stroud got sacked like seventy billion times last I think.
And they're facing the Rams in the opener.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Are you gonna go to the game. It's so fun. Yeah, yeah,
it should be. That should be good. I think the
Rams beat them in that. I'm not as high on
the Texans as everyone else. I know, two years.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Ago they were awesome, and last year they made the playoffs.
I don't I personally don't see it. I've cooled a
little bit. The defense is gonna be filthy, led by
will Anderson and company.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
But I I like the Rams in that openum. That
mixed and loss is big.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Now, if you get mixed and healthy Mixon and Chubb,
that's pretty nasty. Everybody's rooting for Nick Chubb, who was
just all around good guy.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, we're all on in the Texans this year.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
I mean, this was this changed my opinion somewhat.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I liked the idea of turning off around somewhat because
Stroud and the new coordinator seem to really have hit
it off and there seems to be a real symbiosis
to how they're running things. CJ is actually going to
get more discretion over plays, calls at the line, stuff
like that this year, so I think he's going to
thrive in that environment. But again, this is a huge
deal and you're throwing around Nick Chubb like it's the
(16:18):
Nick Chubb of two years ago. He's coming back from
such a gruesome injury. He didn't even start playing again.
He missed most of the year he got hurt. Because
I think that was like in Week two or something.
He didn't come back for another year plus into week seven,
and then his first game back I looked it up,
he had eleven carries for twenty two yards.
Speaker 9 (16:37):
That's not what you want.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Now.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Obviously, you know you get better and better as you
come back, but there's no guarantee what Nick Chubb is
going to be and if for at least four weeks
maybe more, CJS doesn't have that kind of threat.
Speaker 9 (16:48):
I think that's a little bit of a fact.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Even the wide receiver room.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I mean, Nico Collins, a really good Christian Kirk is
hit or missed.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
The young kid.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Jayden Higgins, the draft pick, He's supposed to be a
big deal. Tank Dell can't stay healthy, like just unlucky
for the Texans.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
Yeah yeah, not a good start that they wanted.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
However, there are more teams in worse shape, Jason, because
we now have odds on the hottest seat among head
coaches otherwise known as which NFL coach is most likely
to be fired first. Vegas is looking at Mike at
Mike McDaniel, which you know, looking at you man.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
The rest of the top five.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Let's take a look Mike McDaniel, by the way, plus
two hundred, Brian Davil plus four hundred, Chansteak in seven hundred,
and then we get to tie Dave Canalis Kevin Stefanski
seven to fifty.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
So look at the screen, Dolphins at Colt and India
is favored.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
How is that?
Speaker 9 (17:43):
It mean terrible? Have you discussed their quarterback situation lately?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I mean I don't, I don't. How do you not
take the Dolphins there.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
By the way, the two coach two of the top
three coaches to be first fired, dueling it out in
Week one.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yes, I would like the Dolphins there.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Now, I don't know what's going up with Devin h
chan Tyreek Hill always seemed to be a mystery. So
it's possible that Miami imploats because you know, it looks like.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
That's McDaniels, the kind of.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Guy who could easily lose the locker room. I like
him personally. I mean I don't know him personally, but
I like everything I've read about him and heard.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
Well, that's it.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
He's obviously super media friendly, right, and he's just different,
I mean presented as like I embraced my inner nerd, right,
just different from all the coaches, but the coach speak
that you see a.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
Year after year.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
So I think he became a bit of a media darling.
Obviously had early success, offensive genius.
Speaker 9 (18:33):
All of that stuff.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
But there's an interesting article in the Washington Post I
saw where they interviewed a couple GMS right of other
teams in the league.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
Here are some of the quotes.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
It's kind of a dead man walking thing, isn't it.
The quote was what he's selling doesn't look like it's
playing in the locker room anymore. The thing looks like
it's falling apart. Another GM said, Miami feels like a
ticking time bomb. The head coach was all fun and
games for a while, but there's not enough tough love.
Speaker 9 (18:56):
So that speaks to the culture.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
That you were referencing, and I think that's why it's
it's just And also everyone else Nancy's improved, right, they
didn't improve Jets.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I don't know, we'll see, but yeah, Patriots got a
lot better. Bill's Super Bowl favorites. It's tough for McDaniel.
You know, he didn't play, and I'm a kind.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Of guy who's rooting for underdogs. I would consider him
an underdog.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
No, oh, absolutely, But how do He's kind of amazing
he got to this process, He got a considering. There's
so much groupthink in football, right, Well, let's go out,
not go out on a limb. Let's do the safe thing.
I'm gonna look bad as a GM or an owner
if I take some wild chance, if I get a
guy who's typical for that position and he doesn't work,
no one's going to like single me out. But if
I hire Mike McDaniel, people might be what were they think?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Outside of the box risky?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I like it, yeah, I mean as an outside the
box guy, website guy.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I love it. Good stuff. Rachel with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
All right.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Coming up next, we've got a former NFL coach to
talk about this Shiner Dylan Gabriel situation.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And also the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Is this the year that's next on the Herd?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 4 (20:20):
All right, we have a great guest stopping brought by
right now. Brian Billick, legendary coach in the NFL, won
a Super Bowl with the Ravens. He is vacationing. Look
at that summer home. Looks beautiful. You guys got cable
TV up there, right, Yeah, and we actually get radio
(20:42):
and the phone works and it's all great.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, we're up here.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
It's Gott's country up here near the Canadian border, and
the temperature is perfect and that's good golf.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And what about preseason action? Are you just digging into it?
Are you more like, let me play some golf.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You know, I kind of on the periphery.
Speaker 10 (20:58):
I'll wait to the regular season where the crank so,
you know, it's exciting that the regular season is cranking up.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So I'll do a little more of a deep dive.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Now it's for real, Yes, now that it actually matters,
I like that. Let me just start with this. Obviously,
there was a trade. The Browns got rid of Kenny Pickett.
So they said for months that the Cleveland Browns are like, oh,
we can have four quarterbacks on the roster.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
We will do it. We're prepared. And of course they
didn't do it. It didn't even come close. And they trade
a picket.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
What do you think this does to that quarterback room
with two rookies and a forty year old Joe Flacco
who you are kind of familiar with.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
Yeah, Flacco can be a great mentor for them, although
knowing Joe, I don't know that that's really how he
sees it because he wants to play.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But yeah, he can be that. He brings a.
Speaker 10 (21:44):
Wealth of knowledge to it. But at the end of
the day, the Browns have got to make a decision.
They've got to make a decision right now because at
some point those rookies are going to play. And I'm
a big believer that if you draft a guy, you
need to play them, particularly in the first round. Now
they don't have that first round pick, so when it
comes to shudor Sanders, there's really no pressure. It's not
(22:05):
like he was a first round pick where you basically
have to start this guy. The fact that he was
what a fifth round pig. They can do with it
however they want to. If they choose to go with
Flacco and let that go until all of a sudden,
now something happens either to Flacco or the season hasn't
gone well enough, and go with the other guys. But
I think Kevin Stefanski he needs more success right now
(22:27):
than maybe what the two rookie quarterbacks might give it.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Yeah, it's interesting you phrase it that way because some
people are like, hey, he's won Coach of the Year twice.
We had a reporter covering the team said Stefanski's safe.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
You go three and fourteen last year with a win
total that was projected to be nine. What if they
win four games this year, Gabriel stinks, shad Or stinks
like well, stefanskis safe. I'm sure you've dealt with some
of these kinds of stories around the league where the
owners like, oh, it's fine, and then come December, it
ain't fine.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
No, Coke, the word coach and safe don't belong in
the same sentence, let alone the same paragraph. Because that's
the pressure of the National Football League. But that is
the challenging from right now. If they go with Flacco
and go with the veteran quarterback because they think they're
a pretty good team and Joe has shown that they
can win with Joe, then that's great. But if it
(23:20):
doesn't and if he doesn't play well or the team
doesn't play well, now you have to go with the
young guys.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I don't know that now.
Speaker 10 (23:27):
To kick into the motive, well, they've got young quarterbacks,
so it's just a matter of how well do they develop.
It really doesn't matter how well the season goes. I
think Kevin Stefanski's long enough with the Browns. That might
be a tough sell, so to two.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Other young quarterbacks around the league.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I just saw the Saints have announced Spencer Rattler has
won the job and he will get the quarterback spot
in the opener. They just drafted a guy, Tyler Shuck
who's twenty five, in the second round.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Like, what do these teams do?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Ran?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It just is puzzling. Spencer Rattler was awful last year.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Why don't you see what you've got in the young guy,
the rookie that you just drafted.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
Well, that's the decision they have to make, and they've
seen enough to feel like I guess they think Rattler,
if this is well, we'll start with him and then
we'll move to the second rounder.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That doesn't bode well. That usually doesn't go well.
Speaker 10 (24:24):
Because now you're really counting on what if he does
play well? And Rattler is one of those guys that
can look really really good or it can look really
really bad. If you can keep it on the thirty
pitch count and you can get the good Spencer Rattler,
that's great.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
If he has to throw the.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Ball forty forty five times, now you're going to see
everything that he is and that's some good and that's
some bad.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
So, like I said, even though he's.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
Only a second round pick, I'm very much a believer
that you've got to play the quarterbacks that you draft
early to find out what you have.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Totally agree.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Let's go to the team you know, well, the Baltimore Ravens.
You want a super Bowl there in year two, listen close.
They have all the personnel, Their super Bowl odds are there.
It really comes down to the big postseason games and
Lamar either hasn't delivered or Mark Andrews dropped the pass.
I know you get asked about it a lot, but
your thoughts on the Ravens heading end of the season.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, they're as good as anybody in the National Football League.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
They've got as dynamic a player at quarterback next to
maybe Patrick Mahomes as there is in the league. They
have they played great, solid defense, So you're right. I mean,
they have been there, and it's been a play here,
been a play there, and you can't just dismiss that.
But by the same token, they've been in that position.
So there's no reason to think they're not going to
be in that position again. And I got to believe
(25:40):
that given the same situation, next time Mark Andrews catches
the ball. So yeah, I think they're clearly going to
be right there. They're going to be in the hunt
notwithstanding injury, and they're as good as anybody in the
National Football League.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, listen, it's tough, man.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Not everybody can win a Super Bowl like Dan Marino
got there, never got back. John Elway could not deliver
until he gets Terrell Davis late in his career. Like,
these are things Lamar and Josh Allen are still relatively young, right,
I mean, is there are we putting too much pressure
on these guys or is it that Patrick Mahomes has
just changed the equation with all his early success.
Speaker 10 (26:14):
No, I don't think you're putting too much pressure on them,
because that pressure exists. At the end of the day,
they've got to get to that next level. They've proven
they have the abilities to do all the other things,
and they're with teams that are good enough to take
that next step. Now, they happen to be at a
time when when you also have Patrick Mahomes and the
Kansas City Chiefs. It's like, you know, Phil Micholson's a
(26:36):
phenomenal golfer, but he obviously grew up in an era
of tiger Woods, and there's no denying that that's a
part of how you look at a Phil Mickelson and
everything that he accomplished as opposed to what he could
have accomplished. Well, the same thing with Lamar, the same
thing with Allan. That it comes down to it that
it's going to be compared because they clearly are contemporaries
(26:58):
with Mahomes. They are on good enough teams and it's
just a matter of your right. When you get that
final games, things have to fall into place. The Ravens
did everything they needed to to be in that position
except that final draw by Mark Ambers.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
That's a tough one. Now I see the what shirt there?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
X Tech?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
You're promoting x Tech? You can tell us a little
about it.
Speaker 10 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean this is the fourteenth season, and but
you know this is this is the pad. It's the
best pad. It's the number one patent. Pro and major
college football players like we just talked about Josh Allen, Justin, Jefferson,
Fred Warner, Elite colleges, Oregon, USC, Penn State, and the
like the top high school programs in the country, they're
all wearing and using x Tech pads because it is
(27:40):
the best pad. You know, in the old days, it
was old you know, big pads on big guys and
little pads on little guys. It's not that way anymore.
With the technology we have. This is AI driven. We
have fourteen years of data now that these basically pads
are basically form fitted for the athlete based on height, weight, age, position,
injury history, the things, you know, all the things that
(28:01):
they should be based on. It's absolutely the best paddits
the pad our young people need to be in. I'm
really gratified to see parents now vesting themselves in the process.
They're going to xtechpads dot com. They're seeing the difference
in this in this pad, seeing the difference that it
makes for their players, because nothing's more important than keeping
these players safe in what is a very volatile and
(28:23):
physical game. X Tech pads is that next level of protection.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
That's awesome, man, Congratulations on that, and thank you very
much for taking the time.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Enjoy the rest of your summer.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Up.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
All right, we'll do it, all.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Right, Brian, thanks a lot. Brian Billick, super Bowl champ
with the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
It's interesting. I was just looking at his bio, Rachel,
are you ready for this?
Speaker 4 (28:44):
He was drafted in the eleventh round in nineteen seventy seven,
two hundred.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
And ninety fifth pick. Can you believe they had that
many picks?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yes, early seventies, I didn't, or mid seventies. That's kind
of wild. I was going to ask him about brock Perdy,
but I didn't know how to weave.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You were an eleventh round pick.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
What do you think, mister relevant starting for an team?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Anyways?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
By the way, obviously Rachel and I are surviving the
Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift engagement. I mean very exciting news.
The memes are flying. I mean I saw a funny
one about the how Navidia and Taylor Swift are propping
up the US economy.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Reported here first Jason right here on this show. The
Dale Jones spiked after the engagement announce.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
What a world we live in?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I mean, so we got news on day one yesterday
with Terry McClure in middle of the show, and then
today the engagement. So maybe Micah Wednesday and then can
we can we keep getting news every day?
Speaker 9 (29:44):
Y'all are way more optimistic than me.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I do not think this Micah Parson Steel is getting
done anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Okay, all right, uh little pessimist I am, I.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
Am pat I mean, look it might be last minute
Dack style thing, but I just don't see anyone but.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Jerry think about the shows, the content. That's what we do,
all right. Day two in the books. Man, what a
fun show.
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