September 9, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin has major questions about Bears quarterback Caleb Williams after his first game under new head coach Ben Johnson fell apart after the opening drive
Vikings QB JJ McCarthy started out slow but was impressive when it mattered the most
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I don't know if I've ever quite seen a quarterback
pivot like JJ McCarthy. First three quarters he threw it
for about fifty five yards and then in the fourth
quarter Joe Montana. He was virtually perfect. So we got
a lot to talk about now winning time. McCarthy delivers
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baby All right. So I don't start my show with
statistics very often, but I thought this was very interesting
and it serves a point. So in the first drive,
Caleb Williams is six ver six with one hundred and
two passer rating. The rest of the game, he completed
fifty percent and a passer rating in the seventies. That's
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a backup. In the NFL. JJ McCarthy in the first
three quarters unwatchable of thirty four passer rating, look terrified
in the fourth quarter six of eight, one on one
passer rating. My takeaway. The further the Bears Caleb Williams
got off script, the worse it got. The more JJ
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McCarthy could play loose intuitive football, the better it got.
So don't be afraid to have a strong opinion after
one game. Caleb on script, velocity, horsepower, he can move
on script, look comfortable and daring and good. But that
opening drive in the third quarter, you could watch Ben
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Johnson who was visibly frustrated with his lack of accuracy.
There were also four false starts, twelve total Chicago penalties,
eight on the offense, so and he was missing badly
with open receivers. So I mean, I think he's talented
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enough to beat bad teams and mediocre coordinators, but that's
not his division. And he was one in five against
his division last year. The only win when the packers
rested starters. So there, you can't watch that game and
not be a little unsettled. Off script, it looks like
USC Caleb Williams. Wow, he's talented, and so was Cam Newton.
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And in eleven seasons, Cam Newton had three winning seat ethans.
Because Cam was all over the map and too often
relied on talent, his mechanics eroded, his accuracy regressed. It
was hit and miss. And that was the knock on
Caleb coming in. He had all sorts of talent. But
there's a million talented lounge singers working at bad saloons.
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They're not coachable, they don't manage themselves. Well you know
they you know, they aren't consistent. The NFL is so
much more than just armed talent. Jay Cutler had a
great arm justin fields. Finally, as a passing game coordinator
he likes in New York. You saw what he did.
I also thought Caleb panicked when the first and second
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receiver weren't there. Now again, Brian Flores, in my opinion,
I have said this for like a year, is the
best defensive coordinator in football. In my opinion, I think
the staff of Minnesota this year the Athletic to the piece.
It ranked San Francisco's second best overall staff, Minnesota number one.
So you may not face a coaching staff this good.
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Green Bays is pretty good the rest of the season.
But Caleb does too many things that losing quarterbacks do.
The false starts now it's first in fifteen or at
second and twelve. He panics with pressure, his off script,
his accuracy dips when he's moving, and he had an
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extra year ahead of JJ McCarthy. JJ McCarthy just hasn't
played in a couple of years. I mean he didn't
even play in the preseason much so I thought, when
you watch this game, there is a way to win
in this league. This is what Belichick talked about with Brady.
You can't have penalties, you can't play behind the sticks.
You have got to be moving forward. In Ben Jonson's
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body language, he was frustrated, he was puzzled, he was
swearing on the headset. It was just not good enough.
You got to give me more than talent. And here
was Ben Johnson after.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
We said going into week one that the team that
would make the least number of mistakes would win the game,
and unfortunately we were on the wrong side of that.
We made too many there late in the game, myself
included twelve penalties.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That's got to get clean up in a hurry. And
yet we've been saying that all training camp as well,
so you know, we'll find a way to get that done.
It's going to be a collective effort. No one's pointing fingers.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
First half, mostly on script, you felt pretty good about it.
The further Caleb got off script, hero ball, panicking, lack
of accuracy, all the things Scout said they were concerned about.
All right, JJ McCarthy, I've never seen a game like that.
I've never seen a quarterback do that. So the fact
that JJ McCarthy ended up with a ninety eight ASSER
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rating after the first three quarters is remarkable. I mean,
the Vikings still only finish three for twelve on third
down and six fewer first downs than the Bears. They
were unwatchable offensively for three quarters. But I have found
my JJ McCarthy comp It's Baker Mayfield play at a
college power, tons of emotion, a lot of energy. I
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wish they were bigger, but all they have to do
Baker and JJ McCarthy can go into slumps and get reckless.
But if they make one big throw and they gain
that confidence, their velocity and their accuracy changes. And he
after that pick six, which is about as bad is
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any pick six I've ever seen. I mean, he was
bad in the first three quarters. But then there was
a moment for JJ McCarthy and this is very Baker Mayfield.
There was a moment. It was in the fourth quarter.
He hit Justin Jefferson with a seed and that this
playwright here unleashed some the next three drives, it was
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a different JJ McCarthy, and this is Baker. All Baker
needs to step into it. One rope and Baker changes.
The ball comes out faster, more velocity, and more accuracy.
And again he's got Kevin O'Connell and Josh McCown. You
cannot get better as a quarterback. So what you really
saw from JJ McCarthy is an old saying, nobody is
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going to believe in you in life until you believe
in yourself. And you watched his body language change. He's
like Baker. He plays with a ton of emotion. He
got a little chip on his shoulder. He wins a
lot of football games. But you saw two different quarterbacks.
The first three quarters was a coaching staff and again
he hadn't played much. That was protecting him and they
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were kind of just waiting for it to happen. I
text somebody last night, an NFL exec, and I say,
I said, what do you make of this game plan?
And he goes in Koci trust. He didn't play much
in the preseason. He hasn't played a lot of snaps.
They're probably thinking in Minnesota, let Caleb Williams make mistakes
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with Brian Flores. Let's just try to stay in the game.
He'll make a play later. And he did, and I
gotta tell you that was a different quarterback in the
fourth quarter. Here is Kevin O'Connell after JJ.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
McCarthy for him to make some of the plays he did.
I told him at halftime, you are going to bring
us back to win this game. And the look in
his eye was fantastic. And the best thing is just
the belief I felt from the team, the unit.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And ultimately that doesn't get done without him.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
In the second half, two passing touchdowns and then the
critical rushing touchdown.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You know at the end, now it does help. Minnesota's
got better ownership, a better front office, a proven coach
a better roster, they were favored in the game. I
said all week, this was the last blazing five pick.
I didn't pick. I picked Minnesota. I thought this was
one of the games. I just trusted the Minnesota Viking organization,
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their coaching staff. I think Ben Johnson's a really good coach,
but it's just in big games. Caleb Williams has often
been worse than the one o'clock window. So Minnesota now
this morning, J McK and I are laughing before the show.
What is JJ McCarthy. Well, I think he's going to
be closer to the fourth quarter than the first three.
And again it is Kevin O'Connell's called the tall Sean
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McVay when he went to Minnesota, and people have talked
about if you drafted coaches right now, he'd be a
top three or four coach. He can build a culture.
He played in the league, tall, good looking guy with
a lot of confidence. Look what he did to Sam Darnold.
I don't think JJ McCarthy is gifted enough to get
a defensive coach or an average coaching staff and flourish,
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But there is something about justin Jefferson, the production they
get their left tackle back. Soon they did start to
develop a run game, a pretty consistent run game in
the second half. That also health field position and confidence.
But if you're a Viking fan this morning and a
Bears fan, I know that one quarterback out played the
other for three quarters, But a Viking fan looks at
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that fourth and says, I absolutely believe we've got our
guy for the next decade. I don't think anybody in
Chicago except maybe Caleb Williams, is thinking that this morning.
I don't know if Ben Johnson's thinking that, because the
body language with Ben Johnson was disappointment. Even when JJ
McCarthy was struggling, I didn't sense that from Kevin O'Connell.
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He was just sort of monitoring and watching, understanding the situation.
The body language from Ben was there, These are dialed
up to work and you're not hitting them. So J
Mac one of the I mean, how good was weak
one of the NFL unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Everybody big TV game was unbelievable. It just some more
context from McCarthy. So he's only twenty two years old,
very young guy. Yes, left tackle Darris I was out
last night.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
He's in a couple of I think he's coming back
in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Adam Thielen was just traded for like five minutes ago,
had a draw, brutal drop. You know, Jordan Addison suspended,
like everything going against him and you're down on the
road at night in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I thought that was unbelievable. What he did in the
fourth quarter now quite Josh Allen, unbelievable, but I mean
looking pretty impressive. Look at the last two fourth quarters
we've seen in the NFL. Baltimore dominates a game like
it's not competitive, dominating a game the wheels come off
JJ McCarthy. Look, I mean, if I said, you know,
five adjectives to describe it, I mean, they're just it
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looked a little intimidated, a little slow, a little hesitantic. Sixthness,
it was as bad as picks. He literally threw to
a bear in straw. Yeah, real quick. The division based
on what you saw this week. You don't want to overreact.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Green Bay's the best team, Okay, who's the second best team?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I would say Minnesota? Right Detroit? Oh? I did I
think those coordinators. I think it's a major issue. Go
back several years ago, think how good the roster was
for Philly. They hired coordinators that didn't work Week ten,
they were circling the drain coordinators. Go look at the
Niners defense with Robert Sala, Go look at it last year.
People don't understand these coordinators are game changers.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
So this week, Chicago visits Detroit one PM. I believe
that's a Fox game, colling. That is kind of a
huge game for Caleb Williams and Detroit. Detroit can't lose
that can They can't start owing to two it's over, But
Caleb needs it badly given what happened in the final
three quarters.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, well, Minnesota defensively, in my opinion, is better than Detroit. Yes,
they were a top five defense last year. I think
total defense. I like Minnesota's defense better than Detroit's, which
can be a little hit and miss. I do love
Branch in the back end.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
He's good.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
That's a top five game this week. I know there's
a lot of good Listen, there's good games every week.
That's a top five game for me because I don't
want to say it's elimination in Week two column, but
you know we've seen this. Ohan two is a big
hole to climb out of. I can't believe how good
Week one was. I cannot believe how we were close
to you know, Bears seventeen to six, look like they
were about to run away with it. Remember Hawkinson fumbles
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and I thought that was a legit fumble.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I hadn't seen that when that was seventeen to six.
My take was, if the Bears get one more drive,
and even if they don't score, it is a field position.
Because JJ was playing with no confidence, I'm like, just
pin them deep, make JJ drive ninety four yards. We
could have a game that's over. I mean, was it? Just?
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Sometimes this league just pull stuff out of a hat.
And between the last two night games, we've seen incredible turnarounds,
one by a team and one by a quarterback.
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Speaker 1 (14:43):
I think one of the things that's really troubling if
you're a Chicago Bears fan is did you see the
Detroit Lions offense that was the number one offense in
the NFL? Did you see it against Green Bay? They
averaged three point eight yards to play, They could not
move the ball, they could not score a touchdown, and
Michael Parson's only played forty five percent of the snaps.
So the Lions offense against the Packers was abysmal. It's
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the first time it's been bad in three years. It's
the first time they haven't had Ben Johnson. Also, Ben
Johnson was able on script to create the Bears scoring
a touchdown on the first drive. They didn't do that
all of last season. Also, Ben Johnson got Tyson beagent
in the preseason. They have a one zero seven passer rating.
Lions Tyson beagent first drive. If there's a struggle here,
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it's not Ben Johnson. Here's one of the things that
would really concern me. I went and looked this morning,
Caleb Williams last year and Caleb Williams against the Minnesota Vikings.
And again he's got moments. He's got that throw to
Romadnze last season, in this season, last season, and yesterday.
He's the same cornerback is even Ben Johnson met his match.
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His lumbers last night are his numbers last year. There
was one throw in particular that really would trouble me.
It was fourth quarter, two thirty two left. Now they
scored eventually on this drive, but it wasted thirty seconds.
He misses a layup, and I mean he misses it
by eight yards, and that's what worries me. There were
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open receivers. This had a justin fields field to it,
where you're like, dude, there's people there, they're open, you're
not seeing it, and when you do, you're about fifty
five percent on getting it there. So there is an analytic,
an analytic that is called expected completion percentage. So the
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passes after everybody watches film that you should complete. I
don't buy into all the analytics, but it's an interesting one.
Caleb after last night dead last minus thirteen percent, so
he should have completed at least thirteen percent more of
his passes. So Ben Johnson is scheming Jared Goff open
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Jared Goff and omer On Saint Brown. Should they really
lead the number one offense in the NFL. Shouldn't it
be like Josh Allen all the time or Lamar Jackson
and Derek Henry. I mean, I like amor On Saint
Brown a fourth round pick, and I like Jared Goff.
They shouldn't be the NFL's number one offense. They were
Tyson Bagent. You ever think Tyson beagent was going to
look that good like he did in preseason. So my
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takeaway is we've got an elite coach. But for that
number to come out the low tide for the lowest
expected completion percentage, that's not good. That's an analytic that
people inside the league look at. Caleb Williams trying to
spin it positively.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
There was a lot of good there our communication, you know,
I think I think he was getting the plays in
you know fast, and I've been able to get out
the huddle. You know, we need to be better with that,
and I've been able to get up to the line
make checks or whatever case may be. But you know,
I think I think it's a it's a growing process
that it's you know, it's going to keep growing from
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here the start. This is the start, but definitely not
the definitely not the end now.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
In fairness, JJ McCarthy looked bad for three quarters. Bo
Nicks didn't look good with Sean Payton, Caleb didn't look
bad in the first half. So there were moments for
other young quarterbacks where you're kind of that that didn't
look great. Now, not everybody's going to be Jayden Daniels,
Drake May did not have a good Sunday. I like
Drake May. So again, young quarterbacks the difference between the
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great ones. You kind of get the same thing every Sunday.
You may lose, but you feel like I always feel
like even with Mahomes losing to the Chargers, you kind
of get the same greatness. And Tom Brady lost games,
but about every other year he'd have a stinker. So
young quarterbacks are like young anything you get less consistency.
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It's up and down. JJ was bad for three quarters,
great for one. I thought kayleb on script in the
first half was mostly pretty good. But the further he
got away from that script, the uglier and the less
accuracy he exhibited. That's a real thing. J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
News, no news, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
All right, Colin, I want to preface this first story
by saying, last year, in Week one, there were some craziness. Okay,
the Commanders got blasted by the Bucks. Commanders made the
NFC Championship game. Well, let's go into the Detroit Lions now,
and they were bad in week one.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh, they got humiliated by the Packers.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
They were down twenty seven to six before a garbage
time touchdown. Goff and the offense were held without a
touchdown until literally the final minute of the game. Colin, Now,
Goff says, we need a lot more urgency.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Here we go.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
Yeah, we'll move forward, fine, we will. We've got good
players getting coaches.
Speaker 10 (19:51):
We'll be fine.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
It's just there needs to be a urgency of improvement.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, it has to be.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
And today wasn't even closer good enough, I think offensively
and we all have to work a lot of work
making sure everyone's on the same page and our communication
is better and getting lined up correctly and all that stuff,
and ultimately a lot of it falls on me.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, some of it falls on you, but some of
it falls on play calling and lack of ingenuity. And
Green Bay is really good. So I'm looking at the
Bears last night.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Now, maybe the numbers haven't been updated, but I'm seeing
not many blitzes and they were still getting some pressure.
We know Goth okay, up the middle was struggling with
the backup center.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You know right now, Bear's got real pressure in the
first three quarters.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Okay, so if they did it without the blitz, that's
good news against Goth. Do you think what's your early
read on this?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
And I'm not asking you to pick the game on
a two So I think this is something I strongly
believe in. Is when you lose great people in the
company and you decide we're just going to hire people
that are in house. Sometimes it works because they understand
our culture. But the best people in life in any industry.
If net Flix loses their content director, are you sure
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the best guy in the world is at Netflix? So
I think, and that's my takeaway. You lose Ben Johnson
and Aaron Blenn, who were the best coordinator tandem in
the league. We talked about Ben Jonson for three years,
he was offered other jobs. He leaves. Well, let's give
it to the mid fifty guy in the building. I'm
just being honest. I've said this before. Remember David Cully
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in Houston. He had been a long time no, he'd
been a long time assistant. Everybody loved and everybody's like, well,
he's a good guy. Houston hires him three weeks in.
You're like, there's a reason he hadn't interviewed for head
jobs for all those years. It's not a knock on people,
but the bottom line is staying in house to hire
the second biggest I would say head coaches number one
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in this league OC is two. If you have a
seventeen person staff, the second most important hire is the OC.
And I think you replaced Ben Johnson with a guy
everybody likes in house. Roll the dice, Roll the dice.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
We can make it Debatey, they went against the best
team in the NFC. You said yesterday the Packers looked
like one of the three best.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Team Packers are unbelievable. Packers are really good. The Chicago
Bears did not look great last night, Colin. So now
the Lions are at home, crowd's going to be juiced up.
You're on the turf, you know, I expect this team
to look way better. Never, don't I have a right
to avoid betting that game?
Speaker 6 (22:26):
You do?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You certainly do that. I don't want to touch it.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
I don't know what we're allowed to do with mentioning
gambling companies, but I did see the Detroit Lions win
total has been adjusted down.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It is currently eight and a half. It's juiced like
you gotta lay? So what does that tell you?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
And a half?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Now it's eight and a half? No, that's Vegas telling
you this is a eight nine team?
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Or is that Vegas baiting you into betting on the
Lions all of a sudden stinking when they just faced
a jogger.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Remember when, I've never done this before. In all the
years I've been doing this, I've never watched a Hall
of Fame game and had and had a definitive statement.
Right the Hall of Fame game, the Lions were so disorganized,
I'm like, sell your stock, Sell your stock, so part.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Of me wants to buy some stock because everybody everybody selling.
What does Warren Buffett say? When everybody's going one way
go the other? So I'm torn, but I think I'm
like you. They already asked me for I picks for
Friday's headlines. You go four and one, Jay, it's Tuesday,
we're the picks. I don't have a strong take on
this one, but I'm leaning Lions leaning it's early. Next up,
Colin is the Baltimore Ravens. Oh my gosh, Sunday night.
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Just an unbelievable finish, but they started to dig into
the numbers, Colin, are you ready for this?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That loss? Being up two touchdowns late in the fourth, it.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Was the seventeenth time since John Harbaugh took over as
head coach where Baltimore has blown a double digit second
half lead. Harbaugh knows the number is way too high.
Speaker 11 (23:54):
Maybe part of it is effect that we've been ahead a lot.
You know, We've won a lot of games, so we've
had a lot of and we've had a lot of
two score leads, so we've we've kept a lot of those,
but we've I think we've lost six of them. If
I'm not mistaken. That's too many. We need to be
really thoughtful of, you know, how we decide that we're
going to approach those situations going forward. You know, let's
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give us some thought.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Let me let me defend Baltimore and harb On. This
is right, Okay. So one, no team has had more
blowout wins in the NFL over the last five years
than Lamar Jackson in the Raiders. They blow good teams
out regular in the regular season. Secondly, it's hard to
convince players leading by sixteen points or seventeen points with
seven minutes left all gas no breaks. Coaches coach more conservatively.
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That is the reality of big leads in the NFL.
So it's not just their defense on the back end
they're off. Look at their last three offensive drives. You're
trying to convince a team that has dominated Buffalo, hey, hey,
they're gonna come back when they were down fifteen with
three fifty to go. Did you think to yourself, we're
going to see an improbable comeback. Nobody and if Derreck
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Henry doesn't fumble, they don't lose that game. Some of
this is Mark Andrews dropping a passer. Derrick Henry fumbling.
So I don't think it's an epidemic. But I do
think what he says is we lead big a lot.
It is hard. You know this, You talk about it
all the time. Backdoor covers are an epidemic in the NFL,
where you can watch a bad team trail by seventeen,
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then they trail by seven and you lose your bet.
So I don't listen. They got to beat Kansas City, Okay,
they have to. Eventually they're gonna meet Buffalo again. And
I don't think this outcome will determine or defend or
change the next out.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Okay, that's a fair argument here. I get that if
we could get it on the screen one more time. Colins,
since twenty twenty two, they have blown seven second half
double digit leads. So twenty twenty two is only three years.
In one game, that's not even fifty games they've led
and blown seven. Now, I was talking with Zach Sharp,
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guy went to Oregon, you know, And I'm sitting here like,
why are they consistently blowing these leads. They've got a
dynamic quarterback, they've got a great head coach, right, Harball's
all the top five coach?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Why?
Speaker 6 (26:07):
And I couldn't come up with a legitimate reason, and
I like your reason, but it kay.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Okay, here's another thing. Okay, if you don't play Lamar
Jackson regularly, there is no comp at practice. That's why
he is so dominant against the NFC. He's like, he's
like twenty four and one against the NFC or some
absurd number. You can, you can have a guy that's
not mahomes but you can. You can find somebody in
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your training camp can do some mahomes ish stuff. Lamar
is such a unique player. You can't practice for him,
and in the first half of games, literally you're on
your back foot. He's it's like Tyson in his prime.
It's like that power. Okay, oh my lord, if you
could get to round six against Tyson until you could
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kind of figure out Tyson's power and the angles and
a lot of times I think a double digit lead
doesn't mean twenty, it can mean ten. And then all
of a sudden, now it's the eighth drive against Lamar.
You've kind of figured him out a little bit. This
is not bad.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
That's probably some of your best work on the fly,
because remember in the NBA, twenty point leads were nothing
a couple of years ago because.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Of the ten point lead in the NFL. Is nothing
against Lamar and Dereck Henry. Did you see what J. J.
McCarthy did in the fourth find game. Yeah, the last
two night games, teams shraup three touchdowns and mante.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Remember Flores adjusted it halftime and the Bear couldn't move
the football. But just one final thought, like maybe this
is on harball and he needs to go to Lamar
when they're up in the second half and be like, dude,
all we do is blow leads, put these guys on
the canvas, wipe them out. Let's stay aggressive. Maybe they're
not doing enough of that. It's tough when you're leading.
But I know when I'm in the men's league and
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we're leading, I'm jacking threes.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
By the knockout more.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
By the way, I'm sure everybody doesn't love it as
much as you do. I do. When you lead big,
the remedy isn't jack threes. But we don't blow leads, Lamar,
keep your foot on the gas.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Final story, you don't play the Bills. Also true final
story is the Miami Dolphins. Oh my gosh, oh oh.
Mike McDaniel's underfire. I mean, I know he looks cool
on the sideline with the aviators, but holy cav when
you lose to Daniel Jones by a billion, it's bad.
Mike McDaniels says things can only go up from here.
Speaker 10 (28:21):
The good news and the positive is I don't I
don't see how it could be worse. And I also
believe in, you know, the coaches and players to get
it fixed because it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know, it's just a shame.
Speaker 10 (28:35):
It's uh you you work behind the scenes for months
on end and you don't show any of it.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's frustrating, but that can be a good thing. It's
not that you didn't show it. You didn't have fight.
That's a lack of belief in the coach. That's and again,
Chris Greer has been a GM there for almost a decade.
I don't like their roster. You could not watch that
game and think the Dolphins are close to the Colts
in a roster compet Colts have good players. Oh but
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come on that We're okay, they've got nice weapons, they
got good believe.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Vegas had the Dolphins of the higher wind total than
the Colts by by one game.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, in the preseason. That's a quarterback thing, one's a
pro bowler, and.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
One before you it sounds like you like the Patriots
this week. Just lay the lumber. Make sure you check
the weather. We always got to see if it's super
hot in September in Florida, and you know one sideline's
in the shade.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Miami plays those games.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Just let's let's not automatically lay the Patriots here, folks.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I didn't say I was picking it in the Blazing
five off a winning week, but I am.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
It's under consideration, all right. Just they're not going to
look as bad. Miami's not going to be that.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
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Speaker 1 (31:20):
By the way, the weather in Chicago beautiful this weekend.
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big in that one. Okay, So listen, nobody wants negative
callin all day. So here's the upside. I would say,
if you're a Bears fan, where's the silver lining? So
(31:42):
my take is I could certainly say that Brian Flores
is the best defensive coordinator you will face all year.
I believe that to be true. You will not face
a more sophisticated, aggressive, difficult coordinator defensively for a young
quarterback the rest of the year then Brian Flores. Secondly,
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the Vikings defense will be one of the top three
U face all year. I mean, you play the Ravens,
they got lit up, You play the Steelers justin fields
ate them alive. If you look at the schedule, the
best defenses, the Bears play Philadelphia, Green Bay twice and
then Miles Garrett. That is all November. So the early schedule,
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Minnesota was the one defense with Brian Flores that was
a pretty tough row. I see a lot of Detroit's, Dallas, Washington, Vegas,
New Orleans, Baltimore, Cincinnati, the Giants, Oh, the Giants are
pretty good. That defense is going to be on the
field on a snap basis. More than any in the
league with that BB gun offense, injuries, fatigue, disenchantment, that
(32:53):
Giants defense six to seven, Russell Wilson Jackson starts in
may not play like that, may be banged up cause
they're gonna be on the field a lot. And so
my take is this wasn't This was a tough lift.
There's a reason I liked Minnesota. I felt strongly about it.
I didn't feel strongly about it at halftime. But here's
Caleb Williams on what he saw, what he envisions and
(33:15):
going forward.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
We felt like we were dominated game, like you said,
and we were you know, uh, in control up to
two scores coming out of half. And uh that that
mentality is something that we have, something that we you know,
that we preach and that didn't happen today. And and
I'm not it's not a play call thing. It's not
anything like that. It's just being able to go out
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there and execute the players that are called and be
able to you know, execut him at a high level.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And again, what the great coaches and coordinators do at half,
they flipped the script. Okay, that that's what great coordinating is.
It's not just the stuff on the script. I said
this when Matt Lafleur came over from Tennessee to Green
bad his first year, Packers were great in the first half.
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He'd never been a head coach. He was great on script,
but he did not, to me, do a great job
at halftime. They were not a great third quarter team.
But by year two they were. So it is I mean,
Brian Floores made adjustments at half and it changed things.
And we saw this all weekend where the really good
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coaches second half you get a different version of the
offense or the defense. So again, Ben Johnson was frustrated.
Brian Floores versus young quarterbacks has done a lot of damage.
It's a young quarterbacks confidence in his career was not
an easy lift. Detroit doesn't have Brian Floores, and I
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don't think they have the defense. It's on the road.
But these days that's a point to a point and
a half. Okay. So now, when I picked the Niners
to finish third, Rams win the division, Seahawks wild card third,
people freaked out. I said, I love a lot of
the Niners, but they're brittle that they're an antique store.
(35:08):
It is old stuff breaks. What is the story this morning.
Brock Purty toe injuries, left shoulder. So now brock has
only missed three games and they're all in three when
he doesn't play. And his big surgery was, you know,
after a conference championship game, so we didn't miss starts there.
But the injury report week one for the Niners, George Kittle,
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now in his thirties, out for three to five weeks.
Trent Williams thirty seven, spent time in the Blue ten.
Brock Purty banged up. It is not a talent issue.
Brock Perty's oha has been slightly undersized. I wish he
was a little bigger. Having the easiest schedule isn't the
brag you think it is when stars aren't available and
starters aren't available. Here's the other thing. Do you know
(35:52):
who had the most touches in Week one? Christian McCaffrey
off an injury. That's not great. And remember in the division,
go ask c J. Stroud about the Rams defensive front.
So the Niners, oh lines not great. If Trent Williams
gets hurt, it's a bottom five or six ozer line.
Rams twice they were all over c J. Stroud. Seahawks,
(36:17):
by the way, had number one in the NFL in
hurries in Week one. So in fact, let me see
the official number here real quick. Yeah, the most pressures
in the NFL Week one the Seahawks defense. You got
to face them again the Rams twice and Arizona spent
their entire draft on the defensive players. Will Johnson was
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very good in the opener and they have a defensive coach,
so their defensive front is getting better. So this is
a division. Some divisions like the NFC North their offensive divisions,
the Rams defense. The Seahawks have a defensive coach. Arizona's
got a defensive coach. This is more of a I
mean even last year with the Rams when Pukin who
(37:00):
gets banged up, there's not a lot of pop. Even
with Matt Stafford to the Rams offense, they need who
go to be available. So here is Kyle Shanahan on
brock Perty's injury. I'd probably say that toads worse than
the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
And what about his availability this week?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, we were not sure.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
We got to see how it heals and how the
week goes on it.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
I think I think Mack had a really good camp,
going back all the way to OTAs and training camp.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
He has to go this week.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
It'll lead to guys.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
The guys will believe in them, and I know.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
He'll do his job at a high level.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Okay, Mac Jones would play if he doesn't. This just
in Tom Pellasaro, the Niners have waved kicker Jake Moody
third round. Picking a kicker. Don't love that. I don't
mind drafting a kicker. Gotta be late. They have waived him.
Got to kick, blocked, missed a kick, can't do it.
(37:55):
So John Lynch's drafting record has been very hit and miss.
They've done really good things late in the draft. Ricky
Parsol looks like a hit. They got Demo in the
second they've moved him. He was a hit. Obviously, brock
Perty is the hit of the decade. But the Jake
Moody thing, I think I think Jake Moody, I mean,
(38:16):
the criticism from the media and fans is that the
Niners were validating the pick by keeping him. He was
so bad last year. So I think this is one
of those to not to save the locker room, but
to really reassure everybody in the Bay we're not keeping
him just because we drafted him. The Niners are moving
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or they moved off Trey Lance, who they waste all
those picks on first. They moved him fast, and I
think people were saying, you missed on Jake Moody. Move him.
So I hate it. I feel bad for the kid,
but I think you had to.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
So you see them on the screen. It's Niners four
and a half. This was six and a half. They
are playing the Saints. Robert Salah against Spencer Rattler. I
think it's gay set match. I know it's back to
back road games and a lot of noises you like.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think brock perty will play. I think he's a
tough kid in a gamer. Okay, at Iowa State he
got banged up. He didn't have all Americans in front
of him. I think broad plays. I think San Francisco wins.
And again, I think Robert sala is on a short
list with Brian Flores as the best defensive coordinator in
the league. And I think with young quarterbacks that's one
of the first things I look at, who's the young
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quarterback going against Defensively? Do you have a big pass rush?
Do you have a veteran DC. I like the Niners
in that game even without Kittle. I like him to
win in cover.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
They'll have a week to scheme up to New and
by who needs Kittle when you got Jake Tongis whoever
that is the guy who caught the game winner. The
other thing is I was on Arizona in New Orleans,
so I watched closely. Kyler Murray was like picking his
spots easily. The secondary for the Saint stinks. They traded
a lot of more last year. Yeah, so like they
just don't have a lot. I think they're gonna be okay.
And by the way, Pierceall, we didn't talk about it.
(39:54):
He played well, you look good.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
And that Seattle secondary is top eight unit in the league.
That's very, very very good.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
By the way, Seattle, I believe at Pittsburgh is a
really good game.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That is it's a field goal game. So something to know.
Seattle dialed up a lot of pressure against the Niners,
and the Steelers O line was not great. It was
they scored a lot of points, but they couldn't run
the ball and Aaron got smoked.
Speaker 6 (40:20):
Does Pittsburgh look like a team that should be favored
by three? What is the over under on that? I
see forty Okay, I would take the under. I think
Seattle's I mean, that defense looked very.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I think Seattle Pittsburgh under forty and I hit my under.
That would probably be one of my blazing five picks.
Are you gonna do more totals than the blazon? Well,
you know, I'm also going to do a proper to
really yeah, getting exotic on us. Well, there are a
couple of props this weekend. I looked at it, so
I had two props and I just looked at it.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
I like, remember the Mark Andrews to score that did
not happen because they never got in the red zone
because Derek Henry scoring from sixteen.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But if you look at the week two schedule, just
don't over value week one. But there are things that
are true. Seattle's defense under Mike McDonald is hyper aggressive.
They've drafted well, it's young, it's active, and I think
they look at the Steelers' O line and lack of
run game and see a very and a forty one
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year old quarterback. I think Seattle's looking at film thinking
Aaron doesn't move, they don't run the ball. We got
to get to Aaron fast. So I think you're going
to see a super aggressive Seahawks defense in pitch and if.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
Donald doesn't drop the ball look like the ten yard line,
they probably.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Win the game.
Speaker 9 (41:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
So when we've said this, sometimes teams lose like Dallas lost,
but it's baked in because everybody watched it. Not everybody
watched that regional game. Not everybody watched the Seahawks. Seahawks
were poised to win and Donald bumped into his own
teammate and fumbled.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Not everybody watched the Titans.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Do you want to get to that game at some point?
My favorite game of the weekend is Titans at home
plus five and a half against the Rams. That's my
favorite pick of the week. Cam Ward had to watch
the game. He can spin it.
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I don't know if I've ever quite seen a quarterback
pivot like JJ McCarthy. First three quarters he threw it
for about fifty five yards and then in the fourth
quarter Joe Montana. He was virtually perfect. So we got
a lot to talk about now winning time. McCarthy delivers
(01:07):
baby All right. So I don't start my show with
statistics very often, but I thought this was very interesting
and it serves a point. So in the first drive,
Caleb Williams is six ver six with one hundred and
two passer rating. The rest of the game, he completed
fifty percent and a passer rating in the seventies. That's
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a backup. In the NFL. JJ McCarthy in the first
three quarters unwatchable of thirty four passer rating, look terrified
in the fourth quarter six of eight, one on one
passer rating. My takeaway. The further the Bears Caleb Williams
got off script, the worse it got. The more JJ
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McCarthy could play loose intuitive football, the better it got.
So don't be afraid to have a strong opinion after
one game. Caleb on script, velocity, horsepower, he can move
on script, look comfortable and daring and good. But that
opening drive in the third quarter, you could watch Ben
(02:12):
Johnson who was visibly frustrated with his lack of accuracy.
There were also four false starts, twelve total Chicago penalties,
eight on the offense, so and he was missing badly
with open receivers. So I mean, I think he's talented
(02:33):
enough to beat bad teams and mediocre coordinators, but that's
not his division. And he was one in five against
his division last year. The only win when the packers
rested starters. So there, you can't watch that game and
not be a little unsettled. Off script, it looks like
USC Caleb Williams. Wow, he's talented, and so was Cam Newton.
(02:57):
And in eleven seasons, Cam Newton had three winning seat ethans.
Because Cam was all over the map and too often
relied on talent, his mechanics eroded, his accuracy regressed. It
was hit and miss. And that was the knock on
Caleb coming in. He had all sorts of talent. But
there's a million talented lounge singers working at bad saloons.
(03:19):
They're not coachable, they don't manage themselves. Well you know
they you know, they aren't consistent. The NFL is so
much more than just armed talent. Jay Cutler had a
great arm justin fields. Finally, as a passing game coordinator
he likes in New York. You saw what he did.
I also thought Caleb panicked when the first and second
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receiver weren't there. Now again, Brian Flores, in my opinion,
I have said this for like a year, is the
best defensive coordinator in football. In my opinion, I think
the staff of Minnesota this year the Athletic to the piece.
It ranked San Francisco's second best overall staff, Minnesota number one.
So you may not face a coaching staff this good.
(04:03):
Green Bays is pretty good the rest of the season.
But Caleb does too many things that losing quarterbacks do.
The false starts now it's first in fifteen or at
second and twelve. He panics with pressure, his off script,
his accuracy dips when he's moving, and he had an
(04:24):
extra year ahead of JJ McCarthy. JJ McCarthy just hasn't
played in a couple of years. I mean he didn't
even play in the preseason much so I thought, when
you watch this game, there is a way to win
in this league. This is what Belichick talked about with Brady.
You can't have penalties, you can't play behind the sticks.
You have got to be moving forward. In Ben Jonson's
(04:46):
body language, he was frustrated, he was puzzled, he was
swearing on the headset. It was just not good enough.
You got to give me more than talent. And here
was Ben Johnson after.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
We said going into week one that the team that
would make the least number of mistakes would win the game,
and unfortunately we were on the wrong side of that.
We made too many there late in the game, myself
included twelve penalties.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That's got to get clean up in a hurry. And
yet we've been saying that all training camp as well,
so you know, we'll find a way to get that done.
It's going to be a collective effort. No one's pointing fingers.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
First half, mostly on script, you felt pretty good about it.
The further Caleb got off script, hero ball, panicking, lack
of accuracy, all the things Scout said they were concerned about.
All right, JJ McCarthy, I've never seen a game like that.
I've never seen a quarterback do that. So the fact
that JJ McCarthy ended up with a ninety eight ASSER
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rating after the first three quarters is remarkable. I mean,
the Vikings still only finish three for twelve on third
down and six fewer first downs than the Bears. They
were unwatchable offensively for three quarters. But I have found
my JJ McCarthy comp It's Baker Mayfield play at a
college power, tons of emotion, a lot of energy. I
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wish they were bigger, but all they have to do
Baker and JJ McCarthy can go into slumps and get reckless.
But if they make one big throw and they gain
that confidence, their velocity and their accuracy changes. And he
after that pick six, which is about as bad is
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any pick six I've ever seen. I mean, he was
bad in the first three quarters. But then there was
a moment for JJ McCarthy and this is very Baker Mayfield.
There was a moment. It was in the fourth quarter.
He hit Justin Jefferson with a seed and that this
playwright here unleashed some the next three drives, it was
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a different JJ McCarthy, and this is Baker. All Baker
needs to step into it. One rope and Baker changes.
The ball comes out faster, more velocity, and more accuracy.
And again he's got Kevin O'Connell and Josh McCown. You
cannot get better as a quarterback. So what you really
saw from JJ McCarthy is an old saying, nobody is
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going to believe in you in life until you believe
in yourself. And you watched his body language change. He's
like Baker. He plays with a ton of emotion. He
got a little chip on his shoulder. He wins a
lot of football games. But you saw two different quarterbacks.
The first three quarters was a coaching staff and again
he hadn't played much. That was protecting him and they
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were kind of just waiting for it to happen. I
text somebody last night, an NFL exec, and I say,
I said, what do you make of this game plan?
And he goes in Koci trust. He didn't play much
in the preseason. He hasn't played a lot of snaps.
They're probably thinking in Minnesota, let Caleb Williams make mistakes
(08:09):
with Brian Flores. Let's just try to stay in the game.
He'll make a play later. And he did, and I
gotta tell you that was a different quarterback in the
fourth quarter. Here is Kevin O'Connell after JJ.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
McCarthy for him to make some of the plays he did.
I told him at halftime, you are going to bring
us back to win this game. And the look in
his eye was fantastic. And the best thing is just
the belief I felt from the team, the unit.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And ultimately that doesn't get done without him.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
In the second half, two passing touchdowns and then the
critical rushing touchdown.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You know at the end, now it does help. Minnesota's
got better ownership, a better front office, a proven coach
a better roster, they were favored in the game. I
said all week, this was the last blazing five pick.
I didn't pick. I picked Minnesota. I thought this was
one of the games. I just trusted the Minnesota Viking organization,
(09:06):
their coaching staff. I think Ben Johnson's a really good coach,
but it's just in big games. Caleb Williams has often
been worse than the one o'clock window. So Minnesota now
this morning, J McK and I are laughing before the show.
What is JJ McCarthy. Well, I think he's going to
be closer to the fourth quarter than the first three.
And again it is Kevin O'Connell's called the tall Sean
(09:28):
McVay when he went to Minnesota, and people have talked
about if you drafted coaches right now, he'd be a
top three or four coach. He can build a culture.
He played in the league, tall, good looking guy with
a lot of confidence. Look what he did to Sam Darnold.
I don't think JJ McCarthy is gifted enough to get
a defensive coach or an average coaching staff and flourish,
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But there is something about justin Jefferson, the production they
get their left tackle back. Soon they did start to
develop a run game, a pretty consistent run game in
the second half. That also health field position and confidence.
But if you're a Viking fan this morning and a
Bears fan, I know that one quarterback out played the
other for three quarters, But a Viking fan looks at
(10:11):
that fourth and says, I absolutely believe we've got our
guy for the next decade. I don't think anybody in
Chicago except maybe Caleb Williams, is thinking that this morning.
I don't know if Ben Johnson's thinking that, because the
body language with Ben Johnson was disappointment. Even when JJ
McCarthy was struggling, I didn't sense that from Kevin O'Connell.
(10:36):
He was just sort of monitoring and watching, understanding the situation.
The body language from Ben was there, These are dialed
up to work and you're not hitting them. So J
Mac one of the I mean, how good was weak
one of the NFL unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Everybody big TV game was unbelievable. It just some more
context from McCarthy. So he's only twenty two years old,
very young guy. Yes, left tackle Darris I was out
last night.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
He's in a couple of I think he's coming back
in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Adam Thielen was just traded for like five minutes ago,
had a draw, brutal drop. You know, Jordan Addison suspended,
like everything going against him and you're down on the
road at night in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I thought that was unbelievable. What he did in the
fourth quarter now quite Josh Allen, unbelievable, but I mean
looking pretty impressive. Look at the last two fourth quarters
we've seen in the NFL. Baltimore dominates a game like
it's not competitive, dominating a game the wheels come off
JJ McCarthy. Look, I mean, if I said, you know,
five adjectives to describe it, I mean, they're just it
(11:38):
looked a little intimidated, a little slow, a little hesitantic. Sixthness,
it was as bad as picks. He literally threw to
a bear in straw. Yeah, real quick. The division based
on what you saw this week. You don't want to overreact.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Green Bay's the best team, Okay, who's the second best team?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I would say Minnesota? Right Detroit? Oh? I did I
think those coordinators. I think it's a major issue. Go
back several years ago, think how good the roster was
for Philly. They hired coordinators that didn't work Week ten,
they were circling the drain coordinators. Go look at the
Niners defense with Robert Sala, Go look at it last year.
People don't understand these coordinators are game changers.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
So this week, Chicago visits Detroit one PM. I believe
that's a Fox game, colling. That is kind of a
huge game for Caleb Williams and Detroit. Detroit can't lose
that can They can't start owing to two it's over, But
Caleb needs it badly given what happened in the final
three quarters.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, well, Minnesota defensively, in my opinion, is better than Detroit. Yes,
they were a top five defense last year. I think
total defense. I like Minnesota's defense better than Detroit's, which
can be a little hit and miss. I do love
Branch in the back end.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
He's good.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
That's a top five game this week. I know there's
a lot of good Listen, there's good games every week.
That's a top five game for me because I don't
want to say it's elimination in Week two column, but
you know we've seen this. Ohan two is a big
hole to climb out of. I can't believe how good
Week one was. I cannot believe how we were close
to you know, Bears seventeen to six, look like they
were about to run away with it. Remember Hawkinson fumbles
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and I thought that was a legit fumble.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I hadn't seen that when that was seventeen to six.
My take was, if the Bears get one more drive,
and even if they don't score, it is a field position.
Because JJ was playing with no confidence, I'm like, just
pin them deep, make JJ drive ninety four yards. We
could have a game that's over. I mean, was it? Just?
(13:41):
Sometimes this league just pull stuff out of a hat.
And between the last two night games, we've seen incredible turnarounds,
one by a team and one by a quarterback.
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Speaker 1 (14:43):
I think one of the things that's really troubling if
you're a Chicago Bears fan is did you see the
Detroit Lions offense that was the number one offense in
the NFL? Did you see it against Green Bay? They
averaged three point eight yards to play, They could not
move the ball, they could not score a touchdown, and
Michael Parson's only played forty five percent of the snaps.
So the Lions offense against the Packers was abysmal. It's
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the first time it's been bad in three years. It's
the first time they haven't had Ben Johnson. Also, Ben
Johnson was able on script to create the Bears scoring
a touchdown on the first drive. They didn't do that
all of last season. Also, Ben Johnson got Tyson beagent
in the preseason. They have a one zero seven passer rating.
Lions Tyson beagent first drive. If there's a struggle here,
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it's not Ben Johnson. Here's one of the things that
would really concern me. I went and looked this morning,
Caleb Williams last year and Caleb Williams against the Minnesota Vikings.
And again he's got moments. He's got that throw to
Romadnze last season, in this season, last season, and yesterday.
He's the same cornerback is even Ben Johnson met his match.
(15:54):
His lumbers last night are his numbers last year. There
was one throw in particular that really would trouble me.
It was fourth quarter, two thirty two left. Now they
scored eventually on this drive, but it wasted thirty seconds.
He misses a layup, and I mean he misses it
by eight yards, and that's what worries me. There were
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open receivers. This had a justin fields field to it,
where you're like, dude, there's people there, they're open, you're
not seeing it, and when you do, you're about fifty
five percent on getting it there. So there is an analytic,
an analytic that is called expected completion percentage. So the
(16:37):
passes after everybody watches film that you should complete. I
don't buy into all the analytics, but it's an interesting one.
Caleb after last night dead last minus thirteen percent, so
he should have completed at least thirteen percent more of
his passes. So Ben Johnson is scheming Jared Goff open
(17:02):
Jared Goff and omer On Saint Brown. Should they really
lead the number one offense in the NFL. Shouldn't it
be like Josh Allen all the time or Lamar Jackson
and Derek Henry. I mean, I like amor On Saint
Brown a fourth round pick, and I like Jared Goff.
They shouldn't be the NFL's number one offense. They were
Tyson Bagent. You ever think Tyson beagent was going to
look that good like he did in preseason. So my
(17:23):
takeaway is we've got an elite coach. But for that
number to come out the low tide for the lowest
expected completion percentage, that's not good. That's an analytic that
people inside the league look at. Caleb Williams trying to
spin it positively.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
There was a lot of good there our communication, you know,
I think I think he was getting the plays in
you know fast, and I've been able to get out
the huddle. You know, we need to be better with that,
and I've been able to get up to the line
make checks or whatever case may be. But you know,
I think I think it's a it's a growing process
that it's you know, it's going to keep growing from
(18:06):
here the start. This is the start, but definitely not
the definitely not the end now.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
In fairness, JJ McCarthy looked bad for three quarters. Bo
Nicks didn't look good with Sean Payton, Caleb didn't look
bad in the first half. So there were moments for
other young quarterbacks where you're kind of that that didn't
look great. Now, not everybody's going to be Jayden Daniels,
Drake May did not have a good Sunday. I like
Drake May. So again, young quarterbacks the difference between the
(18:35):
great ones. You kind of get the same thing every Sunday.
You may lose, but you feel like I always feel
like even with Mahomes losing to the Chargers, you kind
of get the same greatness. And Tom Brady lost games,
but about every other year he'd have a stinker. So
young quarterbacks are like young anything you get less consistency.
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It's up and down. JJ was bad for three quarters,
great for one. I thought kayleb on script in the
first half was mostly pretty good. But the further he
got away from that script, the uglier and the less
accuracy he exhibited. That's a real thing. J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
News, no news, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
All right, Colin, I want to preface this first story
by saying, last year, in Week one, there were some craziness. Okay,
the Commanders got blasted by the Bucks. Commanders made the
NFC Championship game. Well, let's go into the Detroit Lions now,
and they were bad in week one.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh, they got humiliated by the Packers.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
They were down twenty seven to six before a garbage
time touchdown. Goff and the offense were held without a
touchdown until literally the final minute of the game. Colin, Now,
Goff says, we need a lot more urgency.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Here we go.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
Yeah, we'll move forward, fine, we will. We've got good
players getting coaches.
Speaker 10 (19:51):
We'll be fine.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
It's just there needs to be a urgency of improvement.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, it has to be.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
And today wasn't even closer good enough, I think offensively
and we all have to work a lot of work
making sure everyone's on the same page and our communication
is better and getting lined up correctly and all that stuff,
and ultimately a lot of it falls on me.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, some of it falls on you, but some of
it falls on play calling and lack of ingenuity. And
Green Bay is really good. So I'm looking at the
Bears last night.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Now, maybe the numbers haven't been updated, but I'm seeing
not many blitzes and they were still getting some pressure.
We know Goth okay, up the middle was struggling with
the backup center.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You know right now, Bear's got real pressure in the
first three quarters.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Okay, so if they did it without the blitz, that's
good news against Goth. Do you think what's your early
read on this?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
And I'm not asking you to pick the game on
a two So I think this is something I strongly
believe in. Is when you lose great people in the
company and you decide we're just going to hire people
that are in house. Sometimes it works because they understand
our culture. But the best people in life in any industry.
If net Flix loses their content director, are you sure
(21:02):
the best guy in the world is at Netflix? So
I think, and that's my takeaway. You lose Ben Johnson
and Aaron Blenn, who were the best coordinator tandem in
the league. We talked about Ben Jonson for three years,
he was offered other jobs. He leaves. Well, let's give
it to the mid fifty guy in the building. I'm
just being honest. I've said this before. Remember David Cully
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in Houston. He had been a long time no, he'd
been a long time assistant. Everybody loved and everybody's like, well,
he's a good guy. Houston hires him three weeks in.
You're like, there's a reason he hadn't interviewed for head
jobs for all those years. It's not a knock on people,
but the bottom line is staying in house to hire
the second biggest I would say head coaches number one
(21:48):
in this league OC is two. If you have a
seventeen person staff, the second most important hire is the OC.
And I think you replaced Ben Johnson with a guy
everybody likes in house. Roll the dice, Roll the dice.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
We can make it Debatey, they went against the best
team in the NFC. You said yesterday the Packers looked
like one of the three best.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Team Packers are unbelievable. Packers are really good. The Chicago
Bears did not look great last night, Colin. So now
the Lions are at home, crowd's going to be juiced up.
You're on the turf, you know, I expect this team
to look way better. Never, don't I have a right
to avoid betting that game?
Speaker 6 (22:26):
You do?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You certainly do that. I don't want to touch it.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
I don't know what we're allowed to do with mentioning
gambling companies, but I did see the Detroit Lions win
total has been adjusted down.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It is currently eight and a half. It's juiced like
you gotta lay? So what does that tell you?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
And a half?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Now it's eight and a half? No, that's Vegas telling
you this is a eight nine team?
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Or is that Vegas baiting you into betting on the
Lions all of a sudden stinking when they just faced
a jogger.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Remember when, I've never done this before. In all the
years I've been doing this, I've never watched a Hall
of Fame game and had and had a definitive statement.
Right the Hall of Fame game, the Lions were so disorganized,
I'm like, sell your stock, Sell your stock, so part.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Of me wants to buy some stock because everybody everybody selling.
What does Warren Buffett say? When everybody's going one way
go the other? So I'm torn, but I think I'm
like you. They already asked me for I picks for
Friday's headlines. You go four and one, Jay, it's Tuesday,
we're the picks. I don't have a strong take on
this one, but I'm leaning Lions leaning it's early. Next up,
Colin is the Baltimore Ravens. Oh my gosh, Sunday night.
(23:34):
Just an unbelievable finish, but they started to dig into
the numbers, Colin, are you ready for this?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That loss? Being up two touchdowns late in the fourth, it.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Was the seventeenth time since John Harbaugh took over as
head coach where Baltimore has blown a double digit second
half lead. Harbaugh knows the number is way too high.
Speaker 11 (23:54):
Maybe part of it is effect that we've been ahead a lot.
You know, We've won a lot of games, so we've
had a lot of and we've had a lot of
two score leads, so we've we've kept a lot of those,
but we've I think we've lost six of them. If
I'm not mistaken. That's too many. We need to be
really thoughtful of, you know, how we decide that we're
going to approach those situations going forward. You know, let's
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give us some thought.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Let me let me defend Baltimore and harb On. This
is right, Okay. So one, no team has had more
blowout wins in the NFL over the last five years
than Lamar Jackson in the Raiders. They blow good teams
out regular in the regular season. Secondly, it's hard to
convince players leading by sixteen points or seventeen points with
seven minutes left all gas no breaks. Coaches coach more conservatively.
(24:41):
That is the reality of big leads in the NFL.
So it's not just their defense on the back end
they're off. Look at their last three offensive drives. You're
trying to convince a team that has dominated Buffalo, hey, hey,
they're gonna come back when they were down fifteen with
three fifty to go. Did you think to yourself, we're
going to see an improbable comeback. Nobody and if Derreck
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Henry doesn't fumble, they don't lose that game. Some of
this is Mark Andrews dropping a passer. Derrick Henry fumbling.
So I don't think it's an epidemic. But I do
think what he says is we lead big a lot.
It is hard. You know this, You talk about it
all the time. Backdoor covers are an epidemic in the NFL,
where you can watch a bad team trail by seventeen,
(25:21):
then they trail by seven and you lose your bet.
So I don't listen. They got to beat Kansas City, Okay,
they have to. Eventually they're gonna meet Buffalo again. And
I don't think this outcome will determine or defend or
change the next out.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Okay, that's a fair argument here. I get that if
we could get it on the screen one more time. Colins,
since twenty twenty two, they have blown seven second half
double digit leads. So twenty twenty two is only three years.
In one game, that's not even fifty games they've led
and blown seven. Now, I was talking with Zach Sharp,
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guy went to Oregon, you know, And I'm sitting here like,
why are they consistently blowing these leads. They've got a
dynamic quarterback, they've got a great head coach, right, Harball's
all the top five coach?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Why?
Speaker 6 (26:07):
And I couldn't come up with a legitimate reason, and
I like your reason, but it kay.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Okay, here's another thing. Okay, if you don't play Lamar
Jackson regularly, there is no comp at practice. That's why
he is so dominant against the NFC. He's like, he's
like twenty four and one against the NFC or some
absurd number. You can, you can have a guy that's
not mahomes but you can. You can find somebody in
(26:32):
your training camp can do some mahomes ish stuff. Lamar
is such a unique player. You can't practice for him,
and in the first half of games, literally you're on
your back foot. He's it's like Tyson in his prime.
It's like that power. Okay, oh my lord, if you
could get to round six against Tyson until you could
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kind of figure out Tyson's power and the angles and
a lot of times I think a double digit lead
doesn't mean twenty, it can mean ten. And then all
of a sudden, now it's the eighth drive against Lamar.
You've kind of figured him out a little bit. This
is not bad.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
That's probably some of your best work on the fly,
because remember in the NBA, twenty point leads were nothing
a couple of years ago because.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Of the ten point lead in the NFL. Is nothing
against Lamar and Dereck Henry. Did you see what J. J.
McCarthy did in the fourth find game. Yeah, the last
two night games, teams shraup three touchdowns and mante.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Remember Flores adjusted it halftime and the Bear couldn't move
the football. But just one final thought, like maybe this
is on harball and he needs to go to Lamar
when they're up in the second half and be like, dude,
all we do is blow leads, put these guys on
the canvas, wipe them out. Let's stay aggressive. Maybe they're
not doing enough of that. It's tough when you're leading.
But I know when I'm in the men's league and
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we're leading, I'm jacking threes.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
By the knockout more.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
By the way, I'm sure everybody doesn't love it as
much as you do. I do. When you lead big,
the remedy isn't jack threes. But we don't blow leads, Lamar,
keep your foot on the gas.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Final story, you don't play the Bills. Also true final
story is the Miami Dolphins. Oh my gosh, oh oh.
Mike McDaniel's underfire. I mean, I know he looks cool
on the sideline with the aviators, but holy cav when
you lose to Daniel Jones by a billion, it's bad.
Mike McDaniels says things can only go up from here.
Speaker 10 (28:21):
The good news and the positive is I don't I
don't see how it could be worse. And I also
believe in, you know, the coaches and players to get
it fixed because it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know, it's just a shame.
Speaker 10 (28:35):
It's uh you you work behind the scenes for months
on end and you don't show any of it.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's frustrating, but that can be a good thing. It's
not that you didn't show it. You didn't have fight.
That's a lack of belief in the coach. That's and again,
Chris Greer has been a GM there for almost a decade.
I don't like their roster. You could not watch that
game and think the Dolphins are close to the Colts
in a roster compet Colts have good players. Oh but
(29:02):
come on that We're okay, they've got nice weapons, they
got good believe.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Vegas had the Dolphins of the higher wind total than
the Colts by by one game.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, in the preseason. That's a quarterback thing, one's a
pro bowler, and.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
One before you it sounds like you like the Patriots
this week. Just lay the lumber. Make sure you check
the weather. We always got to see if it's super
hot in September in Florida, and you know one sideline's
in the shade.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Miami plays those games.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Just let's let's not automatically lay the Patriots here, folks.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I didn't say I was picking it in the Blazing
five off a winning week, but I am.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
It's under consideration, all right. Just they're not going to
look as bad. Miami's not going to be that.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Bad either, is New England. J Mack with the News,
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Speaker 1 (29:51):
I like when the Raiders win. Even though I'm a
Patriot guy and Vrabel guy. It's fun when the Raiders win.
It's it's optimistic, I'm and it's just I got Chip Kelly,
I got Pete Carroll, I got Max Crosby, I got
Brock Bowers, I got Ashton Genty. When the Raiders wins,
you see how well they traveled. Do you see how
many Raider fans were in Foxboro.
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Speaker 1 (31:20):
By the way, the weather in Chicago beautiful this weekend.
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big in that one. Okay, So listen, nobody wants negative
callin all day. So here's the upside. I would say,
if you're a Bears fan, where's the silver lining? So
(31:42):
my take is I could certainly say that Brian Flores
is the best defensive coordinator you will face all year.
I believe that to be true. You will not face
a more sophisticated, aggressive, difficult coordinator defensively for a young
quarterback the rest of the year then Brian Flores. Secondly,
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the Vikings defense will be one of the top three
U face all year. I mean, you play the Ravens,
they got lit up, You play the Steelers justin fields
ate them alive. If you look at the schedule, the
best defenses, the Bears play Philadelphia, Green Bay twice and
then Miles Garrett. That is all November. So the early schedule,
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Minnesota was the one defense with Brian Flores that was
a pretty tough row. I see a lot of Detroit's, Dallas, Washington, Vegas,
New Orleans, Baltimore, Cincinnati, the Giants, Oh, the Giants are
pretty good. That defense is going to be on the
field on a snap basis. More than any in the
league with that BB gun offense, injuries, fatigue, disenchantment, that
(32:53):
Giants defense six to seven, Russell Wilson Jackson starts in
may not play like that, may be banged up cause
they're gonna be on the field a lot. And so
my take is this wasn't This was a tough lift.
There's a reason I liked Minnesota. I felt strongly about it.
I didn't feel strongly about it at halftime. But here's
Caleb Williams on what he saw, what he envisions and
(33:15):
going forward.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
We felt like we were dominated game, like you said,
and we were you know, uh, in control up to
two scores coming out of half. And uh that that
mentality is something that we have, something that we you know,
that we preach and that didn't happen today. And and
I'm not it's not a play call thing. It's not
anything like that. It's just being able to go out
(33:38):
there and execute the players that are called and be
able to you know, execut him at a high level.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And again, what the great coaches and coordinators do at half,
they flipped the script. Okay, that that's what great coordinating is.
It's not just the stuff on the script. I said
this when Matt Lafleur came over from Tennessee to Green
bad his first year, Packers were great in the first half.
(34:03):
He'd never been a head coach. He was great on script,
but he did not, to me, do a great job
at halftime. They were not a great third quarter team.
But by year two they were. So it is I mean,
Brian Floores made adjustments at half and it changed things.
And we saw this all weekend where the really good
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coaches second half you get a different version of the
offense or the defense. So again, Ben Johnson was frustrated.
Brian Floores versus young quarterbacks has done a lot of damage.
It's a young quarterbacks confidence in his career was not
an easy lift. Detroit doesn't have Brian Floores, and I
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don't think they have the defense. It's on the road.
But these days that's a point to a point and
a half. Okay. So now, when I picked the Niners
to finish third, Rams win the division, Seahawks wild card third,
people freaked out. I said, I love a lot of
the Niners, but they're brittle that they're an antique store.
(35:08):
It is old stuff breaks. What is the story this morning.
Brock Purty toe injuries, left shoulder. So now brock has
only missed three games and they're all in three when
he doesn't play. And his big surgery was, you know,
after a conference championship game, so we didn't miss starts there.
But the injury report week one for the Niners, George Kittle,
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now in his thirties, out for three to five weeks.
Trent Williams thirty seven, spent time in the Blue ten.
Brock Purty banged up. It is not a talent issue.
Brock Perty's oha has been slightly undersized. I wish he
was a little bigger. Having the easiest schedule isn't the
brag you think it is when stars aren't available and
starters aren't available. Here's the other thing. Do you know
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who had the most touches in Week one? Christian McCaffrey
off an injury. That's not great. And remember in the division,
go ask c J. Stroud about the Rams defensive front.
So the Niners, oh lines not great. If Trent Williams
gets hurt, it's a bottom five or six ozer line.
Rams twice they were all over c J. Stroud. Seahawks,
(36:17):
by the way, had number one in the NFL in
hurries in Week one. So in fact, let me see
the official number here real quick. Yeah, the most pressures
in the NFL Week one the Seahawks defense. You got
to face them again the Rams twice and Arizona spent
their entire draft on the defensive players. Will Johnson was
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very good in the opener and they have a defensive coach,
so their defensive front is getting better. So this is
a division. Some divisions like the NFC North their offensive divisions,
the Rams defense. The Seahawks have a defensive coach. Arizona's
got a defensive coach. This is more of a I
mean even last year with the Rams when Pukin who
(37:00):
gets banged up, there's not a lot of pop. Even
with Matt Stafford to the Rams offense, they need who
go to be available. So here is Kyle Shanahan on
brock Perty's injury. I'd probably say that toads worse than
the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
And what about his availability this week?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, we were not sure.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
We got to see how it heals and how the
week goes on it.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
I think I think Mack had a really good camp,
going back all the way to OTAs and training camp.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
He has to go this week.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
It'll lead to guys.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
The guys will believe in them, and I know.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
He'll do his job at a high level.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Okay, Mac Jones would play if he doesn't. This just
in Tom Pellasaro, the Niners have waved kicker Jake Moody
third round. Picking a kicker. Don't love that. I don't
mind drafting a kicker. Gotta be late. They have waived him.
Got to kick, blocked, missed a kick, can't do it.
(37:55):
So John Lynch's drafting record has been very hit and miss.
They've done really good things late in the draft. Ricky
Parsol looks like a hit. They got Demo in the
second they've moved him. He was a hit. Obviously, brock
Perty is the hit of the decade. But the Jake
Moody thing, I think I think Jake Moody, I mean,
(38:16):
the criticism from the media and fans is that the
Niners were validating the pick by keeping him. He was
so bad last year. So I think this is one
of those to not to save the locker room, but
to really reassure everybody in the Bay we're not keeping
him just because we drafted him. The Niners are moving
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or they moved off Trey Lance, who they waste all
those picks on first. They moved him fast, and I
think people were saying, you missed on Jake Moody. Move him.
So I hate it. I feel bad for the kid,
but I think you had to.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
So you see them on the screen. It's Niners four
and a half. This was six and a half. They
are playing the Saints. Robert Salah against Spencer Rattler. I
think it's gay set match. I know it's back to
back road games and a lot of noises you like.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think brock perty will play. I think he's a
tough kid in a gamer. Okay, at Iowa State he
got banged up. He didn't have all Americans in front
of him. I think broad plays. I think San Francisco wins.
And again, I think Robert sala is on a short
list with Brian Flores as the best defensive coordinator in
the league. And I think with young quarterbacks that's one
of the first things I look at, who's the young
(39:23):
quarterback going against Defensively? Do you have a big pass rush?
Do you have a veteran DC. I like the Niners
in that game even without Kittle. I like him to
win in cover.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
They'll have a week to scheme up to New and
by who needs Kittle when you got Jake Tongis whoever
that is the guy who caught the game winner. The
other thing is I was on Arizona in New Orleans,
so I watched closely. Kyler Murray was like picking his
spots easily. The secondary for the Saint stinks. They traded
a lot of more last year. Yeah, so like they
just don't have a lot. I think they're gonna be okay.
And by the way, Pierceall, we didn't talk about it.
(39:54):
He played well, you look good.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
And that Seattle secondary is top eight unit in the league.
That's very, very very good.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
By the way, Seattle, I believe at Pittsburgh is a
really good game.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That is it's a field goal game. So something to know.
Seattle dialed up a lot of pressure against the Niners,
and the Steelers O line was not great. It was
they scored a lot of points, but they couldn't run
the ball and Aaron got smoked.
Speaker 6 (40:20):
Does Pittsburgh look like a team that should be favored
by three? What is the over under on that? I
see forty Okay, I would take the under. I think
Seattle's I mean, that defense looked very.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I think Seattle Pittsburgh under forty and I hit my under.
That would probably be one of my blazing five picks.
Are you gonna do more totals than the blazon? Well,
you know, I'm also going to do a proper to
really yeah, getting exotic on us. Well, there are a
couple of props this weekend. I looked at it, so
I had two props and I just looked at it.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
I like, remember the Mark Andrews to score that did
not happen because they never got in the red zone
because Derek Henry scoring from sixteen.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But if you look at the week two schedule, just
don't over value week one. But there are things that
are true. Seattle's defense under Mike McDonald is hyper aggressive.
They've drafted well, it's young, it's active, and I think
they look at the Steelers' O line and lack of
run game and see a very and a forty one
(41:17):
year old quarterback. I think Seattle's looking at film thinking
Aaron doesn't move, they don't run the ball. We got
to get to Aaron fast. So I think you're going
to see a super aggressive Seahawks defense in pitch and if.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
Donald doesn't drop the ball look like the ten yard line,
they probably.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Win the game.
Speaker 9 (41:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
So when we've said this, sometimes teams lose like Dallas lost,
but it's baked in because everybody watched it. Not everybody
watched that regional game. Not everybody watched the Seahawks. Seahawks
were poised to win and Donald bumped into his own
teammate and fumbled.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Not everybody watched the Titans.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Do you want to get to that game at some point?
My favorite game of the weekend is Titans at home
plus five and a half against the Rams. That's my
favorite pick of the week. Cam Ward had to watch
the game. He can spin it.
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