September 11, 2025 • 32 mins
Ahead of a Thursday Night showdown between the Packers and the Commanders, Colin argues Green Bay is the most underrated team in the NFC. He shares some alarming stats for Bears quarterback Caleb Williams after he struggled in week 1 vs the Vikings. Plus, 7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady joins the show to preview the Super Bowl rematch between the Eagles and the Chiefs on Fox.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It is a Thursday, We are live, and it is
The Herd. Tom Brady will stop by the show in
a couple hours from now. One hour exactly from now,
Greg Cosell stops by. And I was thinking this morning
as we get ready for Thursday Night Football, our second
Thursday Night game. Last Thursday, it was the Cowboys almost
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beating the Philadelphia Eagles, the Super Bowl champs. If ceedee
Lamb catches that perfect beatball by Dak.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
They do beat them in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So tonight we don't get a struggling icon franchise in
the Dallas Cowboys. This Thursday, we get the best franchise
in the NFL arguably and maybe not even arguably in
the last thirty years, the Green Bay Packers, and.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I want to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So the Packers are again, what else is new at
home and favored on a big national TV game? And
you know, I was thinking this morning, I live close
to Green Bay. Now I'll get up there eventually. But
they've dominated the NFL since Brett Farb arrived, Farvin Rogers
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twenty five years, fifteen division titles. Now suddenly the Lions
over the last couple of years, new coach, new GM,
new culture. You know, they build that thing up in
the last couple of years. Back to back division titles.
There's a new sheriff in town. No, actually, you watched
Week one. The Lions made a mistake on coordinator hires.
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They maybe third to fourth, and green Bay is back
on top. That's the way it always works. Minnesota's had
good years. We always overinflate the Bears' chances. Ooh, Detroit's
really now going to own the future and green Bays
back on top. First of all, they've become the only
NFL franchise that has hit home run, home run, home
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run with quarterback. And not only get did they get
far who's a bit of a reclamation project. Rogers first
round fell to him and Jordan Love, but they didn't
have to give up massive draft capital and bought them
out to get them. That was kind of like Danny
Ainge and the Celtics, We're going to rebuild and still
be viable. And yet today and then tonight as you
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watch as the league has pivoted to offense, and franchises
like the Bears and the Steelers that are iconic can't
figure out offense. No team in the NFL and twenty
twenty five has more tight end wide receiver talent on
rookie contracts that can all play. And you'll see it tonight.
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Since nineteen add it up over thirty years, the Packers
are number one in the NFL in winning percentage points
per game, second in playoff wins, division titles since the
Brett Faarvira one.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Be able to get top done and go one and
on in the North is a you know, the start
we wanted right there. But big picture, I mean it starts,
it all starts with NFC North. So to have a
North team come in here, we got a big, big,
just picture for us right now is you know, super
Bowls down the road, but it all starts with NFC North.
So we got to go out there and you know,
obviously get off to a better start than we did
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last year.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Packers tonight in a close one, so you know we do.
We do a lot of predictions on a week to week,
like Blazing five, and I got Colin right and wrong
on Monday. I usually say what I'm about to talk
about for Mondays right and wrong. But big picture predictions
the one that got the most pushback this year. As
I said, I think San Francisco's gonna finish third in
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their division. That's the one I got all the pushback on.
And the reason I gave was not because Kyle Shanahan,
He's great. It wasn't because I don't love George Kittle,
Trent Williams and Christian McCaffrey and Fred Warner their Hall
of Fame talent. I said, this is an organization Number one,
they're brittle, and number two. As much as I like
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John Lynch, they have missed on too many top picks,
so when the injuries happen, they don't have a reservoir
of depth. And this morning brought perty out three to
five weeks my first NFL Macro prediction that looks right.
So you generally don't start a season with injuries and
get healthier. And this is where Green Bay has flourished.
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It's hard to find, especially an offense, a Packer early
draft pick that's been a miss.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
It's hard to find.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
San Francisco gave up two first for Trey Lance miss,
Jake Moody, third round pick, kicker disaster, Javon Kinlaw first
round miss. Even in free agency they went for Javon Hargrove.
That was wasted money. So when you watch the NFC
right now, there are three teams that pass the eye test,
and they all have something in common. The Packers look fast,
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young and athletic. The Rams defense does, and the Eagles
on both sides, and the reason being they've nailed the draft.
And that's what worried to me about San Francisco, not
just that they were brittle and a little old, but
that they've missed on so many draft picks. When you
get banged up, this is what you look like going
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into New Orleans with a chance to lose to arguably
the first or second worst team in the league. Yeah, now,
brock Perty, who's going to be out. That is a
great draft pick. That is as good a draft pick
as you're going to get. But when you look at
the NFC, Rams defense, packers offense, eagles both side.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's nailing the draft.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So in this league you get old and brittle very
fast when you start giving away picks, drafting quarterbacks that
can't work, draft kickers.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
In the third round. That's why.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
By the way, the Lions last year had so many injuries,
but yet they finished fifteen to two.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Why because they had drafted so well.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So the injuries for the Niners going into Week two,
it's unbelievable. Brock Perty, Brandon Aiuk, George Kittle, and several players.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
That are game time decisions.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Mac Jones will be the starter. Yes, that Mac Jones.
Here's Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Mag knows how to play the position.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
He can play well in the pocket, distributes the ball
well so he's coverage as well, can play fast in there.
It's got a lot of good film from the NFL.
With experience and obviously college tough guy will hang in
there and delivered to the ball where he needs to go.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So Green Bay tonight favored as they should be.
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Speaker 3 (07:38):
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Speaker 1 (07:39):
After the Caleb Williams loss on Monday and a pretty
bad second half, it is opining on what's not as
bad as you think or it's absolutely terrible. I tried
to be optimistic. I thought he outplayed JJ McCarthy for
the first two quarters, absolutely and maybe the third out
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played in the fourth, the most important quarter, obviously. But
the numbers are not playing the Caleb Williams favor. I'll
give you an example of a couple of them. So
I read this in Yahoo Sports this morning. In the
last take last year and Week one of this year,
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Caleb Williams leads every NFL quarterback with fifty two incompletions
due to overthrows, so too much horsepower overthrowing the ball.
Next is bow Knicks, Mahomes, Darnold, Justin, Herbert Stafford. Okay, fine,
there's overthrows when you have a big arm, but it's
the margin. He is so far ahead of even second place.
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He's forty eight percent higher in one year, in one
game than bow Knicks in second. He's also right now
worst in the league in the operational stuff. You gotta
have a good foundation before you build a cool kitchen.
Pre snap penalties they had four eight offensive penalties. Here's
more damning news. A lot of people in Chicago were saying,
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you know, it might as well just be Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
No, it's worse.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
He might as well be Mitch Trubisky. If you go
to the first eighteen starts of Mitch Trubisky and the
first eighteen starts of Caleb Williams, it's identical, except Caleb
gets sacked significantly more. For the radio audience. Completion percentage
is sixty two for both. Passing yards, about two hundred
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and ten for both, total touchdowns, about twenty two, twenty three,
twenty four for both. Passer rating mid eighties for both.
It's not Justin fields. It's Mitch Trubisky. So and here's
another number that's not good. Positive Colin, it's not working
well for me. He completed just sixty six percent of
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his throws fourteen of twenty one on ball six yards
or last Jayden Daniels was eleven of twelve, so he's
missing laps. He leads the league by a long shot
in overthrows. He's the worst in the league operationally. And
they got a m a clever head coach, and they
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rebuilt the old line, and they drafted a tight end
out of Michigan with their top pick Dj Moore, two
other receivers, five of their top six picks the last
two years of an offense. The good news no more
Brian Flores for a while. But all the numbers coming out,
I'm trying to spin it positively. It's not great. Here
was Nick right yesterday.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
He really struggles with the operation still and the getting
out of the huddle, motioning guys a little too late
like the pre snap stuff. He still looks like a
rookie and this is year two. I still believe in
Caleb Williams long term, but I think it is going
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to be a much slower process.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Than I had hoped.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, I mean listen, short passes, overthrows, operation former Bears
comp It's not good. And to make it worse, Detroit
just got humiliated in week one at Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
And what is our rule on this show?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Teams with competent head coaches and quarterbacks that get humiliated
almost always have a great week of practice and button
most of their problems up. So it's not like you're
facing an overconfident Lions team. You're facing a Lions team
that is like in crisis mode. So they're going to
have an incredible week of practice and Jared Goff at
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least has the operational stuff down.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
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Speaker 1 (11:53):
And with that, twenty three years seven times Super Bowl
champ Tom Brady is now joining us live. Tom as
always a threat to see how are things?
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Let's have call him NFL Season Week two.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
You know I was saying about JJ McCarthy, let's start.
You're a Michigan guy. Is that he's got a little
Baker Mayfield. I thought you were a guy like when
I think emotional players. Baker's a guy that when Baker
gets into a run, his chest puffs out, his velocity increases,
his accuracy increases, he wears his emotions on his sleeve.
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I don't feel that with you. I didn't feel that.
I don't think Michael Pennix is that. But when I
watched JJ fourth quarter hits justin Jefferson on the sideline Tom,
it was.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Like I gave him be twelve shot, he puffed out three.
And it's take me through that about how emotion.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Affected you positively or negative, Because I think JJ is
an emotional player.
Speaker 8 (12:53):
I absolutely love it when I see that type of emotion.
I think it brings you to kind of higher level
of focus. Stands in there, takes a hit, makes a
great throw, and that game is all about emotional being
at kind of a feverish and feverish pitch but also controlled.
And I could get there emotionally in a way that
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probably didn't look like it.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
On my face.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
I think JJ just expresses that a little bit more.
I always think, like, watch golf a lot, and I
see these golfers hit these holding ones and they like
fit their cap and they're like, and I'm like, man,
i'd be going crazy and I love Ryder Cup style.
Golfer guys are fist bumping, and I just think that
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emotion when you're electrified as a player, you play with
the most focused, the most anticipation, everything ends up being
at the highest sense of kind of the alertness.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So I love that aspect of his game. You know,
he's just got to keep that going for a long time.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
That I believe is part of your conditioning and that
ability to elevate your teammates as well in those big moments.
And I love seeing that from a Michigan man.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So we all know during your dynasty there were some
things we could bank on. Belichick's defensive coaching, your efficiency.
You guys always had a better than average run game
lost in a lot of your success. The two winning
his teams the last twenty five years have been Green
Bay and your teams. Why why is that? And I
would argue this offensive line play. The Packers almost never
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have a bad O line, and because of Dante Scarnecci,
you didn't. So Mahomes now is in a different situation.
He has now been blown out twice in Super Bowls,
once by you because of deterioration of O line play.
So their tackles Tom in Week one grated incredibly poorly,
so you didn't have a lot of that deterioration. But
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go to games in which I remember that Giant Super Bowl.
So the first play of the game, I was with
a friend and the Giants rushed through and I said,
was it? Tom's in trouble? They lost all four battles
up front. When the offensive line is deteriorating, go to
your career. What does it do for a great quarterback?
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Well, I always say you control the line of scrimmage,
you control the game. So when you control both sides
of the line of scrimmage, you have a huge opportunity
for success. And it takes someone like Patrick Mahomes to
kind of have that Mahomes magic and pull the rabbit
out of his hat in order to keep his team
in the game. And he's had a lot of unique
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offensive line combinations Patrick has.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
They've been trying to.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Find a left hack left that position for a long
time in that offense, and it's a challenge because it
affects the way the quarterback fels, like, can I really
sit back there and do I trust my teammates up
front to be able to tech me long enough so
that I could see down the field to read the
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coverage and then make a very decisive, accurate throw. So
he's got to find a way to overcome that, and
he has.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
In so many ways.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
In Patrick had even though despite his stats being down
a little bit last year, I still think he had
an incredible season.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
They won fifteen games.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
And you see that throw this on the run right there.
There's only a few guys that could make that throw.
Patrick's one of them, and he is so poised back there,
and I think they're actually with you know, thinking about
that offensive line with the rookie Simmons, with Sue Mattie
who's in there, is a second round pick from last year,
Create Humphrey there and Tray Smith at right guard.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
They're they're set.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
Up to have a pretty good offensive line as they
gel and grow together. So that would be great for
Patrick to feel like he has some confidence to stand
back there. Because the Super Bowl look so much of
that game ended up being can we block the Eagles
defensive front? And that Eagles defensive front played their tail
off that game, and really the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Had no chance when they were rushing that well. I
remember years ago, I've referenced this several times. You were
talking to Jay Glazer and it was I think it
was after a practice because everybody else was clear, and
you said you were still in New England. You said,
you know, Jay, I've seen every coverage. You can beat me,
but you're not going to fool me. I've seen everyone,
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and you've been very vocal about the pre snap operational
side has deteriorated. Is there a quarterback though, right now
in the league that you look at pre snap and
you're like, yeah, you can see it. I can see
he's operating at a different level. Is there one or
two guys and I would imagine they're older that you
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look and you can tell from head movement, you can
tell from the directions that you can tell pre snap.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Our elite, Well, Matt Stafford just jumps to the top
of my mind. I'll tell you why.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
When you see someone do these passes like he did
last week, he knows where the defense is going to
be aligned, so he knows, okay, he hees a certain coverage,
he knows the high low combination that's going to work
against that coverage, so he stares at the low defender,
draws the coverage to the low defender, stares at the
low defender, and then throws it to the higher receiver
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in the combination. So that is an elite level of
play in his ability to recognize defenses and then make
those type of throws. So he's the one. And again
he's a veteran quarterback. He's played a lot of football.
I think Patrick really understands the games and combinations like
that as well.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
But you're right, there's just not a lot.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
There's a lot more I would say physical development happening
at a younger age, but less I would say mental
emotional development from quarterbacks. And you know, I had a
chance to talk to Andy Reid about that, had a
chance to talk to Patrick Mahomes about that this week.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
No one of the they said.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Look, Patrick flat out said, I can't thank Alex Smith
enough for everything that he did for me. All I
did was ask him questions in the meeting room my
first year, and I look at my first year, that's
all I did. With Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Rodgers had three
years to sit behind Brett Favre, Eli Manning sat behind
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Kurt Warner. There's a lot of guys, and I would
say a lot of successful players that weren't kind of
throwing into the fire, because what happens is you can
lose your confidence so fast, because when the real games
are happening, the blitzes are coming, and you don't understand
protection and you don't understand coverage, and you start taking
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hits and you start throwing interceptions. You begin to lose
confidence that, hey, I don't even know how to play football.
I don't know how to go down and lead our
team to score points. I can't even make and complete
a pass. So if you're sitting in the meeting room
and learning, I actually think that's the best way to learn.
You can understand it on the board, you can understand
it on the video screen, you can go out to
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a walkthrough, and then you can learn and practice by
making a lot of you know, good decisions, bad decisions
without necessarily being critique from the outside world and losing.
You know, Look, you got PFF grade in you every week,
like you were just referencing there before I came on.
They're grading you, and now you go as a first
year quarterback you barely know, and now everyone's telling you suck.
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And it takes a while to regain your confidence, you
lose your whole fan base, and it's it's it's really unfortunate.
But that's that's very much the state of the league.
And I think we've dumbed down the game in so
many ways to allow for a lesser caliber, developed player
to get in there and lead an organization.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So, you know, I always had this theory that quarterbacking
should be easier. Now you have personal coaching seven on
seven camps. I mean, guys like you and Drew Bledsoe
and Troy Aikman have told me like I literally had like,
you know, eight high school games a year. You know,
you're like I had forty starts, including high school. Well,
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guys now have ten thousand snaps by the time they're
fourteen years old. So I've always said as a sports commentator,
I used to give guys three years. My argument now
is Thanksgiving year two. The GM, the coach, the coordinator
need to go upstairs in a room privately raise their
hands yes or no. And I don't care where you
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drafted him. I would give Caleb eleven more weeks. Caleb Williams,
let's go upstairs. Is that fair? I know it sounds
kind of harsh, but Thanksgiving year two. I believe quarterbacks
if they're if they the operations aren't there, he's not
the guy.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Is that too soon?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (21:48):
But I would argue this, you're assuming that everybody knows
how to develop a quarterback. You're assuming that you're going
into a program.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I mean, I'm telling you this is not a lot.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
Of people who have no idea what they're doing when
they're tasked with coaching a quarterback or calling an offense.
So are you saying, I mean, just like we'd rank
quarterbacks one to thirty two, do you rank offensive coordinators
one to thirty two? Do you rank quarterback coaches one
to thirty two?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well?
Speaker 8 (22:17):
What if you had the thirty second ranked coordinator in
someone's mind with the thirty second ranked quarterback coach, how
is he getting a level of development that the guy
who's first is getting. When I got to the Patriots,
I sat behind Drew who was a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Right in my second year.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
It's training camp, and we had a very good quarterback
coach named Dick Rayvine, and God rest his soul, unfortunately
he passed away in training camp of a heart attack,
and it was a very difficult loss for our team
and the way that we found a way to continue
on that season is Bill Belichick became more or of
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a quarterback coach than we ever imagine him being a
quarterback coach. He was a defensive he was obviously a
head coach, very involved in defensive game planning, but he
decided to come in every week and talk to the
quarterbacks about coverage.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
All right, guys, and he would do these big write ups.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
And they still have moll because I kept everything com
This is Cover one. This is how they play it.
This is who we're responsible for who. Okay, if we
line up in a bunch formation, this is how they're
going to handle the bunch formation. This is why they
do that. This is the weakness of that, why they
do that. You shouldn't do this if that's just how
they cover this. Okay, this is Cover two. This is
how they cover this is they play two variations that
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Cover two when they're in this variation. This is what
they're trund's up when they're in this various This is
what they're trund stup.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Okay, this is Cover four.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
This is how this team uniquely plays Couple four. We
shouldn't line up in this formation to try to run
this concept for one year I had for actually more
years beyond that. That's how I developed and learned. Oh,
defense calls a certain and play. This is how we
can We can put them in this formation and they
can back the coverage off and I'll have a short
thrown reason. Oh great, I love that. Let's do that.
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Nobody is getting that type of development. So I learned
from an offensive standpoint, watching Drew and having very good
offensive coaches. Then I had a defensive coach, the best
one of all time, teach me how to read defenses.
Then I would go out and meet with player personnel,
people you know who are very talented. Okay, we go
through the entire defensive lineup. Okay, these are all the
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things that this defense does. This is what this player
does well. This player does well. This player does well.
That's development. You're giving people knowledge and information that you
could take to the field so that you could play
with confidence and anticipation, and that would free you up
to play a very aggressive style of football. So I'm saying,
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what if you're a quarterback, then you go to a
system and they don't teach you coverage, They don't teach
you cover one. They don't teach you cover two, they
don't teach you cover four, they don't personnel meanings. They
give you an offensive game plan and they go all right,
but here you go figure it out, and after Thanksgiving
of your second year, they're going, man, this guy just
can't play anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
He stinks. He you know, he can't recover. It's like, dude,
what would.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
Did you teach him anything? Did you groom him? Did
you spend time after practice? Did you work on the
physical parts of his game? Did you work on his
throwing mechanics, did you work on his drops? Did you
work on the mental parts of the game. Did you
understand how to help him study film better? So all
these aspects physical part about football. The physical part is
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one aspect I got was one hundred and ninety nine
pick in the draft because so many people were focused
on a physical skill. Tom Brady two weak couldn't stand
in the pocket, you know, is if he gets hit,
he's going to go down.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You know, laughs are really strong arm.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
That was kind of But what I what I really
understood the mental emotional part. I could bring a consistent, competitive,
winning attitude to the to the game every day or
to practice and the games every single week. Mentally, I
could absorb information you could give me, just like Belichick
did pages of notes, and I could process those things
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and then take them to the field and play with
the anticipation. So what I lacked for maybe in a
bit of physical development, I far exceeded a lot of
other people in mental emotional development.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
And that's a hard thing to evaluate.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
But I'd also say there's not many people who even
know what to do. You know, it's not like they're
CEOs of businesses. A lot of times they're football coaches.
With all due respect, they're not running large corporations. You know,
as as Bill Parcell said, you know, they're pe coaches.
A lot of times I get elevated to you know.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Coaching positions.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
You know, it's it's funny, I said, I thought Jadeen
Daniels last year, not because he can move or he
has a nice arm, it was the best rookie quarterback
I'd ever seen in terms of poise. Two minute drill
that had to play them a whole was great. But
he got to sit behind you know, Alex Smith, who's
the great, the great teacher, But I mean drafted play
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now go, and I was thinking about this and the
thing that blew me away with him, and Kingsbury was
saying this in camp, and I remember being on the
air saying, Cliff slowed down, you're raising the bike. Cliff's like,
I can't believe this kid. And I'm like, guys, he's
a rookie. Bring it down his poise. And you know
what I think about this is crazy. You had this
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at a very early age, your first year starting right
replacing Drew.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Is it parenting?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I think it's innate that some kids have right like,
And I watched Jayden Downels. I'm gonna look his parents up.
What did his parents do? He was so cool and calm.
I don't think you can teach that. I'm watching him
in week three there's a buck twenty on the clock,
no facial expression. I'm like, Okay, that's not that's from home.
That's from something I believe. The one thing you can't
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teach nobody can teach it is you are either calm
in crisis or you're not that. If you're anxious in
a teeth clencher, it never goes away. No matter how
good you can you can get explain that you had it,
Jaden had it?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Did you learn it? Did you have it when you
were twelve?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (28:19):
There's poise and composure in big moments that I do
think separates kind of elite performers, and I would say
it's it's probably a high sense of self confidence in
big situations. You see that with Patrick Mahomes. I think
he's probably one of my favorite ones in the NFL right.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
For a lot of reasons.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
But you see his face in big moments and it
just doesn't seem it's a big moment for everybody else
except him. And the difference is he actually looks more
focused and more urgent and more ready to go, and
you know, you, you, you know, you just he's just
so laser focused. And there's some guys that play like that,
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and there's others that look a little bit phrenetic. I
mean Tiger was like Tiger would look like that in golf.
The bigger the moment, you know, the more determined he looked.
That's probably the right word. And there are certain people
who have I would say, no fear of failure, and
that allows you, that frees you up to go out
and be your best because people that fear of failure well,
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then that means they're trying to control it. And when
you feel that lack of control or lack of confidence,
well people can see it on your face.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
A lot of times you could see it in the
eyes of the quarterback.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
So you know, Jaden is very impressive and everything that
he's done, certainly his last year was one of the
great rookie seasons of any young quarterback.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And again, you know.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
We had him last week, we had commanders, giants like
I'm always looking for Okay, that's great, what's the next
step in development?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And then the next step and the next step and
the next step.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
And you know, from the time that you start to
the time you finished, they're just continues. There needs to
be an upward trajectory every single year based on all
the things that you experience, and so a lot of
things that happen physically, mentally, emotionally over the course of
a career life on the field off the field that
you need to be able to grow with as you
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get a little bit older and you continue to develop.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
All right, big game this weekend ratings are up. Tom,
You sounded great, You sounded comfortable, and congratulations and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Hey, good start for everybody. You know what it is.
I got the best team in the world.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
I got the best partner, Kevin Burkhardt next to me,
Aaron and Tom on the field, Zee and Rus down
in the truck along with everybody else. And I love
my team at Fox. I know we're just going to
keep getting better. We're going to stay humble, We're going
to stay hungry. We're just going to keep working as
hard as we can to show up for one another
and try to provide the viewer with the best possible experience.
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And this week America's Game of the Week four twenty
five Sunday Eagles at chief couldn't get a better game,
Super Bowl rematch. I am fired up, and it's Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Let's go, Tom Brady LFG, let's go. I'll leave the
fut the right, let's go. All right, thanks buddy, that's right,
all right, Tom Brady, he's all fired up. That was
Tom Brady. You got a little Tom Brady as if
he was in the huddle. I love that Chiefs are
a home dog for the second time ever with Patrick
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Mahomes as a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
What would be the first? Was it?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
When Brady went there and beat him in the possibly
listen to Buffalo. Maybe the Buffalo was it when Buffalo
they beat Buffalo the thirteen second game? Was Buffalo favored
in that one?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So Colin, I think I've been here.
Speaker 9 (31:35):
Is this year three, I don't know whatever it is,
three or four on this show. I think that may
be the single greatest interview. I'm like taking notes, like
he said some unbelievable stuff, specifically about quarterbacks that you
and I should be talking about our air.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I love that, Tom. I was amazing. I mean that
this incredible stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
The only other instance it was, oh okay, it was
week six and twenty twenty two was not the playoff game.
It was weeks six Bills a bad success against Kansas City,
just not in January. So it was week six they
beat him, and over the last four seasons, the Eagles
and the Chiefs are tied for the best record in
the NFL. I like Philadelphia by a touchdown or more.
(32:15):
I think Philadelphia. If you if you lined up twelve
best player in the game, I think nine are Eagles.
Now I get Andy Reid, I get Arrowhead, and I
also get a Chiefs team off a loss, So they're
going to be salty so that it's it's gonna be
somewhat close, but a boy. In terms of roster composition,
If Xavier Worthy can play, that helps.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
There's a report now that Worthy may be at practice
today with his teammates. That's good, that's really just emerging
right now. But I can't expect him to play. Come on,
it's a long game. You don't want him to play
in week two.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Come on, Tom Brady, nobody else like him, even on
our show.
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It is a Thursday, We are live, and it is
The Herd. Tom Brady will stop by the show in
a couple hours from now. One hour exactly from now,
Greg Cosell stops by. And I was thinking this morning
as we get ready for Thursday Night Football, our second
Thursday Night game. Last Thursday, it was the Cowboys almost
(00:49):
beating the Philadelphia Eagles, the Super Bowl champs. If ceedee
Lamb catches that perfect beatball by Dak.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
They do beat them in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So tonight we don't get a struggling icon franchise in
the Dallas Cowboys. This Thursday, we get the best franchise
in the NFL arguably and maybe not even arguably in
the last thirty years, the Green Bay Packers, and.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I want to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So the Packers are again, what else is new at
home and favored on a big national TV game? And
you know, I was thinking this morning, I live close
to Green Bay. Now I'll get up there eventually. But
they've dominated the NFL since Brett Farb arrived, Farvin Rogers
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twenty five years, fifteen division titles. Now suddenly the Lions
over the last couple of years, new coach, new GM,
new culture. You know, they build that thing up in
the last couple of years. Back to back division titles.
There's a new sheriff in town. No, actually, you watched
Week one. The Lions made a mistake on coordinator hires.
(01:56):
They maybe third to fourth, and green Bay is back
on top. That's the way it always works. Minnesota's had
good years. We always overinflate the Bears' chances. Ooh, Detroit's
really now going to own the future and green Bays
back on top. First of all, they've become the only
NFL franchise that has hit home run, home run, home
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run with quarterback. And not only get did they get
far who's a bit of a reclamation project. Rogers first
round fell to him and Jordan Love, but they didn't
have to give up massive draft capital and bought them
out to get them. That was kind of like Danny
Ainge and the Celtics, We're going to rebuild and still
be viable. And yet today and then tonight as you
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watch as the league has pivoted to offense, and franchises
like the Bears and the Steelers that are iconic can't
figure out offense. No team in the NFL and twenty
twenty five has more tight end wide receiver talent on
rookie contracts that can all play. And you'll see it tonight.
(02:59):
Since nineteen add it up over thirty years, the Packers
are number one in the NFL in winning percentage points
per game, second in playoff wins, division titles since the
Brett Faarvira one.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Be able to get top done and go one and
on in the North is a you know, the start
we wanted right there. But big picture, I mean it starts,
it all starts with NFC North. So to have a
North team come in here, we got a big, big,
just picture for us right now is you know, super
Bowls down the road, but it all starts with NFC North.
So we got to go out there and you know,
obviously get off to a better start than we did
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last year.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Packers tonight in a close one, so you know we do.
We do a lot of predictions on a week to week,
like Blazing five, and I got Colin right and wrong
on Monday. I usually say what I'm about to talk
about for Mondays right and wrong. But big picture predictions
the one that got the most pushback this year. As
I said, I think San Francisco's gonna finish third in
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their division. That's the one I got all the pushback on.
And the reason I gave was not because Kyle Shanahan,
He's great. It wasn't because I don't love George Kittle,
Trent Williams and Christian McCaffrey and Fred Warner their Hall
of Fame talent. I said, this is an organization Number one,
they're brittle, and number two. As much as I like
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John Lynch, they have missed on too many top picks,
so when the injuries happen, they don't have a reservoir
of depth. And this morning brought perty out three to
five weeks my first NFL Macro prediction that looks right.
So you generally don't start a season with injuries and
get healthier. And this is where Green Bay has flourished.
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It's hard to find, especially an offense, a Packer early
draft pick that's been a miss.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
It's hard to find.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
San Francisco gave up two first for Trey Lance miss,
Jake Moody, third round pick, kicker disaster, Javon Kinlaw first
round miss. Even in free agency they went for Javon Hargrove.
That was wasted money. So when you watch the NFC
right now, there are three teams that pass the eye test,
and they all have something in common. The Packers look fast,
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young and athletic. The Rams defense does, and the Eagles
on both sides, and the reason being they've nailed the draft.
And that's what worried to me about San Francisco, not
just that they were brittle and a little old, but
that they've missed on so many draft picks. When you
get banged up, this is what you look like going
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into New Orleans with a chance to lose to arguably
the first or second worst team in the league. Yeah, now,
brock Perty, who's going to be out. That is a
great draft pick. That is as good a draft pick
as you're going to get. But when you look at
the NFC, Rams defense, packers offense, eagles both side.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's nailing the draft.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So in this league you get old and brittle very
fast when you start giving away picks, drafting quarterbacks that
can't work, draft kickers.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
In the third round. That's why.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
By the way, the Lions last year had so many injuries,
but yet they finished fifteen to two.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Why because they had drafted so well.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So the injuries for the Niners going into Week two,
it's unbelievable. Brock Perty, Brandon Aiuk, George Kittle, and several players.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
That are game time decisions.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Mac Jones will be the starter. Yes, that Mac Jones.
Here's Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Mag knows how to play the position.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
He can play well in the pocket, distributes the ball
well so he's coverage as well, can play fast in there.
It's got a lot of good film from the NFL.
With experience and obviously college tough guy will hang in
there and delivered to the ball where he needs to go.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So Green Bay tonight favored as they should be.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
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Speaker 3 (07:38):
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Speaker 1 (07:39):
After the Caleb Williams loss on Monday and a pretty
bad second half, it is opining on what's not as
bad as you think or it's absolutely terrible. I tried
to be optimistic. I thought he outplayed JJ McCarthy for
the first two quarters, absolutely and maybe the third out
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played in the fourth, the most important quarter, obviously. But
the numbers are not playing the Caleb Williams favor. I'll
give you an example of a couple of them. So
I read this in Yahoo Sports this morning. In the
last take last year and Week one of this year,
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Caleb Williams leads every NFL quarterback with fifty two incompletions
due to overthrows, so too much horsepower overthrowing the ball.
Next is bow Knicks, Mahomes, Darnold, Justin, Herbert Stafford. Okay, fine,
there's overthrows when you have a big arm, but it's
the margin. He is so far ahead of even second place.
(08:45):
He's forty eight percent higher in one year, in one
game than bow Knicks in second. He's also right now
worst in the league in the operational stuff. You gotta
have a good foundation before you build a cool kitchen.
Pre snap penalties they had four eight offensive penalties. Here's
more damning news. A lot of people in Chicago were saying,
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you know, it might as well just be Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
No, it's worse.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
He might as well be Mitch Trubisky. If you go
to the first eighteen starts of Mitch Trubisky and the
first eighteen starts of Caleb Williams, it's identical, except Caleb
gets sacked significantly more. For the radio audience. Completion percentage
is sixty two for both. Passing yards, about two hundred
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and ten for both, total touchdowns, about twenty two, twenty three,
twenty four for both. Passer rating mid eighties for both.
It's not Justin fields. It's Mitch Trubisky. So and here's
another number that's not good. Positive Colin, it's not working
well for me. He completed just sixty six percent of
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his throws fourteen of twenty one on ball six yards
or last Jayden Daniels was eleven of twelve, so he's
missing laps. He leads the league by a long shot
in overthrows. He's the worst in the league operationally. And
they got a m a clever head coach, and they
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rebuilt the old line, and they drafted a tight end
out of Michigan with their top pick Dj Moore, two
other receivers, five of their top six picks the last
two years of an offense. The good news no more
Brian Flores for a while. But all the numbers coming out,
I'm trying to spin it positively. It's not great. Here
was Nick right yesterday.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
He really struggles with the operation still and the getting
out of the huddle, motioning guys a little too late
like the pre snap stuff. He still looks like a
rookie and this is year two. I still believe in
Caleb Williams long term, but I think it is going
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to be a much slower process.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Than I had hoped.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, I mean listen, short passes, overthrows, operation former Bears
comp It's not good. And to make it worse, Detroit
just got humiliated in week one at Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
And what is our rule on this show?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Teams with competent head coaches and quarterbacks that get humiliated
almost always have a great week of practice and button
most of their problems up. So it's not like you're
facing an overconfident Lions team. You're facing a Lions team
that is like in crisis mode. So they're going to
have an incredible week of practice and Jared Goff at
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least has the operational stuff down.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noone Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And with that, twenty three years seven times Super Bowl
champ Tom Brady is now joining us live. Tom as
always a threat to see how are things?
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Let's have call him NFL Season Week two.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
You know I was saying about JJ McCarthy, let's start.
You're a Michigan guy. Is that he's got a little
Baker Mayfield. I thought you were a guy like when
I think emotional players. Baker's a guy that when Baker
gets into a run, his chest puffs out, his velocity increases,
his accuracy increases, he wears his emotions on his sleeve.
(12:28):
I don't feel that with you. I didn't feel that.
I don't think Michael Pennix is that. But when I
watched JJ fourth quarter hits justin Jefferson on the sideline Tom,
it was.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Like I gave him be twelve shot, he puffed out three.
And it's take me through that about how emotion.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Affected you positively or negative, Because I think JJ is
an emotional player.
Speaker 8 (12:53):
I absolutely love it when I see that type of emotion.
I think it brings you to kind of higher level
of focus. Stands in there, takes a hit, makes a
great throw, and that game is all about emotional being
at kind of a feverish and feverish pitch but also controlled.
And I could get there emotionally in a way that
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probably didn't look like it.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
On my face.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
I think JJ just expresses that a little bit more.
I always think, like, watch golf a lot, and I
see these golfers hit these holding ones and they like
fit their cap and they're like, and I'm like, man,
i'd be going crazy and I love Ryder Cup style.
Golfer guys are fist bumping, and I just think that
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emotion when you're electrified as a player, you play with
the most focused, the most anticipation, everything ends up being
at the highest sense of kind of the alertness.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So I love that aspect of his game. You know,
he's just got to keep that going for a long time.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
That I believe is part of your conditioning and that
ability to elevate your teammates as well in those big moments.
And I love seeing that from a Michigan man.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So we all know during your dynasty there were some
things we could bank on. Belichick's defensive coaching, your efficiency.
You guys always had a better than average run game
lost in a lot of your success. The two winning
his teams the last twenty five years have been Green
Bay and your teams. Why why is that? And I
would argue this offensive line play. The Packers almost never
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have a bad O line, and because of Dante Scarnecci,
you didn't. So Mahomes now is in a different situation.
He has now been blown out twice in Super Bowls,
once by you because of deterioration of O line play.
So their tackles Tom in Week one grated incredibly poorly,
so you didn't have a lot of that deterioration. But
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go to games in which I remember that Giant Super Bowl.
So the first play of the game, I was with
a friend and the Giants rushed through and I said,
was it? Tom's in trouble? They lost all four battles
up front. When the offensive line is deteriorating, go to
your career. What does it do for a great quarterback?
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Well, I always say you control the line of scrimmage,
you control the game. So when you control both sides
of the line of scrimmage, you have a huge opportunity
for success. And it takes someone like Patrick Mahomes to
kind of have that Mahomes magic and pull the rabbit
out of his hat in order to keep his team
in the game. And he's had a lot of unique
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offensive line combinations Patrick has.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
They've been trying to.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Find a left hack left that position for a long
time in that offense, and it's a challenge because it
affects the way the quarterback fels, like, can I really
sit back there and do I trust my teammates up
front to be able to tech me long enough so
that I could see down the field to read the
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coverage and then make a very decisive, accurate throw. So
he's got to find a way to overcome that, and
he has.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
In so many ways.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
In Patrick had even though despite his stats being down
a little bit last year, I still think he had
an incredible season.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
They won fifteen games.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
And you see that throw this on the run right there.
There's only a few guys that could make that throw.
Patrick's one of them, and he is so poised back there,
and I think they're actually with you know, thinking about
that offensive line with the rookie Simmons, with Sue Mattie
who's in there, is a second round pick from last year,
Create Humphrey there and Tray Smith at right guard.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
They're they're set.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
Up to have a pretty good offensive line as they
gel and grow together. So that would be great for
Patrick to feel like he has some confidence to stand
back there. Because the Super Bowl look so much of
that game ended up being can we block the Eagles
defensive front? And that Eagles defensive front played their tail
off that game, and really the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Had no chance when they were rushing that well. I
remember years ago, I've referenced this several times. You were
talking to Jay Glazer and it was I think it
was after a practice because everybody else was clear, and
you said you were still in New England. You said,
you know, Jay, I've seen every coverage. You can beat me,
but you're not going to fool me. I've seen everyone,
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and you've been very vocal about the pre snap operational
side has deteriorated. Is there a quarterback though, right now
in the league that you look at pre snap and
you're like, yeah, you can see it. I can see
he's operating at a different level. Is there one or
two guys and I would imagine they're older that you
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look and you can tell from head movement, you can
tell from the directions that you can tell pre snap.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Our elite, Well, Matt Stafford just jumps to the top
of my mind. I'll tell you why.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
When you see someone do these passes like he did
last week, he knows where the defense is going to
be aligned, so he knows, okay, he hees a certain coverage,
he knows the high low combination that's going to work
against that coverage, so he stares at the low defender,
draws the coverage to the low defender, stares at the
low defender, and then throws it to the higher receiver
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in the combination. So that is an elite level of
play in his ability to recognize defenses and then make
those type of throws. So he's the one. And again
he's a veteran quarterback. He's played a lot of football.
I think Patrick really understands the games and combinations like
that as well.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
But you're right, there's just not a lot.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
There's a lot more I would say physical development happening
at a younger age, but less I would say mental
emotional development from quarterbacks. And you know, I had a
chance to talk to Andy Reid about that, had a
chance to talk to Patrick Mahomes about that this week.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
No one of the they said.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Look, Patrick flat out said, I can't thank Alex Smith
enough for everything that he did for me. All I
did was ask him questions in the meeting room my
first year, and I look at my first year, that's
all I did. With Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Rodgers had three
years to sit behind Brett Favre, Eli Manning sat behind
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Kurt Warner. There's a lot of guys, and I would
say a lot of successful players that weren't kind of
throwing into the fire, because what happens is you can
lose your confidence so fast, because when the real games
are happening, the blitzes are coming, and you don't understand
protection and you don't understand coverage, and you start taking
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hits and you start throwing interceptions. You begin to lose
confidence that, hey, I don't even know how to play football.
I don't know how to go down and lead our
team to score points. I can't even make and complete
a pass. So if you're sitting in the meeting room
and learning, I actually think that's the best way to learn.
You can understand it on the board, you can understand
it on the video screen, you can go out to
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a walkthrough, and then you can learn and practice by
making a lot of you know, good decisions, bad decisions
without necessarily being critique from the outside world and losing.
You know, Look, you got PFF grade in you every week,
like you were just referencing there before I came on.
They're grading you, and now you go as a first
year quarterback you barely know, and now everyone's telling you suck.
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And it takes a while to regain your confidence, you
lose your whole fan base, and it's it's it's really unfortunate.
But that's that's very much the state of the league.
And I think we've dumbed down the game in so
many ways to allow for a lesser caliber, developed player
to get in there and lead an organization.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So, you know, I always had this theory that quarterbacking
should be easier. Now you have personal coaching seven on
seven camps. I mean, guys like you and Drew Bledsoe
and Troy Aikman have told me like I literally had like,
you know, eight high school games a year. You know,
you're like I had forty starts, including high school. Well,
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guys now have ten thousand snaps by the time they're
fourteen years old. So I've always said as a sports commentator,
I used to give guys three years. My argument now
is Thanksgiving year two. The GM, the coach, the coordinator
need to go upstairs in a room privately raise their
hands yes or no. And I don't care where you
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drafted him. I would give Caleb eleven more weeks. Caleb Williams,
let's go upstairs. Is that fair? I know it sounds
kind of harsh, but Thanksgiving year two. I believe quarterbacks
if they're if they the operations aren't there, he's not
the guy.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Is that too soon?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (21:48):
But I would argue this, you're assuming that everybody knows
how to develop a quarterback. You're assuming that you're going
into a program.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I mean, I'm telling you this is not a lot.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
Of people who have no idea what they're doing when
they're tasked with coaching a quarterback or calling an offense.
So are you saying, I mean, just like we'd rank
quarterbacks one to thirty two, do you rank offensive coordinators
one to thirty two? Do you rank quarterback coaches one
to thirty two?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well?
Speaker 8 (22:17):
What if you had the thirty second ranked coordinator in
someone's mind with the thirty second ranked quarterback coach, how
is he getting a level of development that the guy
who's first is getting. When I got to the Patriots,
I sat behind Drew who was a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Right in my second year.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
It's training camp, and we had a very good quarterback
coach named Dick Rayvine, and God rest his soul, unfortunately
he passed away in training camp of a heart attack,
and it was a very difficult loss for our team
and the way that we found a way to continue
on that season is Bill Belichick became more or of
(23:00):
a quarterback coach than we ever imagine him being a
quarterback coach. He was a defensive he was obviously a
head coach, very involved in defensive game planning, but he
decided to come in every week and talk to the
quarterbacks about coverage.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
All right, guys, and he would do these big write ups.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
And they still have moll because I kept everything com
This is Cover one. This is how they play it.
This is who we're responsible for who. Okay, if we
line up in a bunch formation, this is how they're
going to handle the bunch formation. This is why they
do that. This is the weakness of that, why they
do that. You shouldn't do this if that's just how
they cover this. Okay, this is Cover two. This is
how they cover this is they play two variations that
(23:40):
Cover two when they're in this variation. This is what
they're trund's up when they're in this various This is
what they're trund stup.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Okay, this is Cover four.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
This is how this team uniquely plays Couple four. We
shouldn't line up in this formation to try to run
this concept for one year I had for actually more
years beyond that. That's how I developed and learned. Oh,
defense calls a certain and play. This is how we
can We can put them in this formation and they
can back the coverage off and I'll have a short
thrown reason. Oh great, I love that. Let's do that.
(24:08):
Nobody is getting that type of development. So I learned
from an offensive standpoint, watching Drew and having very good
offensive coaches. Then I had a defensive coach, the best
one of all time, teach me how to read defenses.
Then I would go out and meet with player personnel,
people you know who are very talented. Okay, we go
through the entire defensive lineup. Okay, these are all the
(24:31):
things that this defense does. This is what this player
does well. This player does well. This player does well.
That's development. You're giving people knowledge and information that you
could take to the field so that you could play
with confidence and anticipation, and that would free you up
to play a very aggressive style of football. So I'm saying,
(24:52):
what if you're a quarterback, then you go to a
system and they don't teach you coverage, They don't teach
you cover one. They don't teach you cover two, they
don't teach you cover four, they don't personnel meanings. They
give you an offensive game plan and they go all right,
but here you go figure it out, and after Thanksgiving
of your second year, they're going, man, this guy just
can't play anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
He stinks. He you know, he can't recover. It's like, dude,
what would.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
Did you teach him anything? Did you groom him? Did
you spend time after practice? Did you work on the
physical parts of his game? Did you work on his
throwing mechanics, did you work on his drops? Did you
work on the mental parts of the game. Did you
understand how to help him study film better? So all
these aspects physical part about football. The physical part is
(25:34):
one aspect I got was one hundred and ninety nine
pick in the draft because so many people were focused
on a physical skill. Tom Brady two weak couldn't stand
in the pocket, you know, is if he gets hit,
he's going to go down.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You know, laughs are really strong arm.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
That was kind of But what I what I really
understood the mental emotional part. I could bring a consistent, competitive,
winning attitude to the to the game every day or
to practice and the games every single week. Mentally, I
could absorb information you could give me, just like Belichick
did pages of notes, and I could process those things
(26:10):
and then take them to the field and play with
the anticipation. So what I lacked for maybe in a
bit of physical development, I far exceeded a lot of
other people in mental emotional development.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
And that's a hard thing to evaluate.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
But I'd also say there's not many people who even
know what to do. You know, it's not like they're
CEOs of businesses. A lot of times they're football coaches.
With all due respect, they're not running large corporations. You know,
as as Bill Parcell said, you know, they're pe coaches.
A lot of times I get elevated to you know.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Coaching positions.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
You know, it's it's funny, I said, I thought Jadeen
Daniels last year, not because he can move or he
has a nice arm, it was the best rookie quarterback
I'd ever seen in terms of poise. Two minute drill
that had to play them a whole was great. But
he got to sit behind you know, Alex Smith, who's
the great, the great teacher, But I mean drafted play
(27:06):
now go, and I was thinking about this and the
thing that blew me away with him, and Kingsbury was
saying this in camp, and I remember being on the
air saying, Cliff slowed down, you're raising the bike. Cliff's like,
I can't believe this kid. And I'm like, guys, he's
a rookie. Bring it down his poise. And you know
what I think about this is crazy. You had this
(27:28):
at a very early age, your first year starting right
replacing Drew.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Is it parenting?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I think it's innate that some kids have right like,
And I watched Jayden Downels. I'm gonna look his parents up.
What did his parents do? He was so cool and calm.
I don't think you can teach that. I'm watching him
in week three there's a buck twenty on the clock,
no facial expression. I'm like, Okay, that's not that's from home.
That's from something I believe. The one thing you can't
(27:57):
teach nobody can teach it is you are either calm
in crisis or you're not that. If you're anxious in
a teeth clencher, it never goes away. No matter how
good you can you can get explain that you had it,
Jaden had it?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Did you learn it? Did you have it when you
were twelve?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (28:19):
There's poise and composure in big moments that I do
think separates kind of elite performers, and I would say
it's it's probably a high sense of self confidence in
big situations. You see that with Patrick Mahomes. I think
he's probably one of my favorite ones in the NFL right.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
For a lot of reasons.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
But you see his face in big moments and it
just doesn't seem it's a big moment for everybody else
except him. And the difference is he actually looks more
focused and more urgent and more ready to go, and
you know, you, you, you know, you just he's just
so laser focused. And there's some guys that play like that,
(28:56):
and there's others that look a little bit phrenetic. I
mean Tiger was like Tiger would look like that in golf.
The bigger the moment, you know, the more determined he looked.
That's probably the right word. And there are certain people
who have I would say, no fear of failure, and
that allows you, that frees you up to go out
and be your best because people that fear of failure well,
(29:17):
then that means they're trying to control it. And when
you feel that lack of control or lack of confidence,
well people can see it on your face.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
A lot of times you could see it in the
eyes of the quarterback.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
So you know, Jaden is very impressive and everything that
he's done, certainly his last year was one of the
great rookie seasons of any young quarterback.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And again, you know.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
We had him last week, we had commanders, giants like
I'm always looking for Okay, that's great, what's the next
step in development?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And then the next step and the next step and
the next step.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
And you know, from the time that you start to
the time you finished, they're just continues. There needs to
be an upward trajectory every single year based on all
the things that you experience, and so a lot of
things that happen physically, mentally, emotionally over the course of
a career life on the field off the field that
you need to be able to grow with as you
(30:10):
get a little bit older and you continue to develop.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
All right, big game this weekend ratings are up. Tom,
You sounded great, You sounded comfortable, and congratulations and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Hey, good start for everybody. You know what it is.
I got the best team in the world.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
I got the best partner, Kevin Burkhardt next to me,
Aaron and Tom on the field, Zee and Rus down
in the truck along with everybody else. And I love
my team at Fox. I know we're just going to
keep getting better. We're going to stay humble, We're going
to stay hungry. We're just going to keep working as
hard as we can to show up for one another
and try to provide the viewer with the best possible experience.
(30:46):
And this week America's Game of the Week four twenty
five Sunday Eagles at chief couldn't get a better game,
Super Bowl rematch. I am fired up, and it's Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Let's go, Tom Brady LFG, let's go. I'll leave the
fut the right, let's go. All right, thanks buddy, that's right,
all right, Tom Brady, he's all fired up. That was
Tom Brady. You got a little Tom Brady as if
he was in the huddle. I love that Chiefs are
a home dog for the second time ever with Patrick
(31:20):
Mahomes as a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
What would be the first? Was it?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
When Brady went there and beat him in the possibly
listen to Buffalo. Maybe the Buffalo was it when Buffalo
they beat Buffalo the thirteen second game? Was Buffalo favored
in that one?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So Colin, I think I've been here.
Speaker 9 (31:35):
Is this year three, I don't know whatever it is,
three or four on this show. I think that may
be the single greatest interview. I'm like taking notes, like
he said some unbelievable stuff, specifically about quarterbacks that you
and I should be talking about our air.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I love that, Tom. I was amazing. I mean that
this incredible stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
The only other instance it was, oh okay, it was
week six and twenty twenty two was not the playoff game.
It was weeks six Bills a bad success against Kansas City,
just not in January. So it was week six they
beat him, and over the last four seasons, the Eagles
and the Chiefs are tied for the best record in
the NFL. I like Philadelphia by a touchdown or more.
(32:15):
I think Philadelphia. If you if you lined up twelve
best player in the game, I think nine are Eagles.
Now I get Andy Reid, I get Arrowhead, and I
also get a Chiefs team off a loss, So they're
going to be salty so that it's it's gonna be
somewhat close, but a boy. In terms of roster composition,
If Xavier Worthy can play, that helps.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
There's a report now that Worthy may be at practice
today with his teammates. That's good, that's really just emerging
right now. But I can't expect him to play. Come on,
it's a long game. You don't want him to play
in week two.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Come on, Tom Brady, nobody else like him, even on
our show.
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