Richard Sherman and Darius Slay are back! The guys break down Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers’ tough loss to the Seattle Seahawks, including Kenneth Walker’s big runs, Jalen Ramsey’s versatile role, and how the defense plans to bounce back. They also dive into DK Metcalf’s revenge game, what it’s like facing former teams, and why locker room leadership matters.Plus, Sherman and Slay react to Travis Hunter’s two-way rookie grind with the Jacksonville Jaguars, debate his future as a wideout vs. corner, and talk about how tough it really is to play both sides in the NFL. Later, they chop it up about Champ Bailey, Deion Sanders, and the GOAT cornerback conversation, before touching on the legendary Jim Harbaugh vs. Pete Carroll rivalry. Subscribe for weekly episodes with Richard Sherman and Darius “Big Play” Slay!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There was a special team's blunder that happened in the game,
and I just can't imagine that conversation and what it
was like. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast, and
you know what time it is. It's that time that
I got my guy, big play Slave to talk about
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what's happened this week and hear his opinion on everything.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That was a tough one, Big play Man. That's very
very tough one man, very tough one man.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know we had to That's when you really got
to lock yourself in the midr and like, yeah, yeah,
that's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Was tough.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's unfortunate because anytime your defense has two turnovers.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You feel really good about it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Obviously, you guy Jalen Ramsey had a turnover second drive
at the football game, you know, after he had gave
up what appeared to be a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I don't know, I'm not watching the tape. I gotta
go look at the All twenty two.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It looked like he was the nearest guy, but I
know how that can be fabricated and twisted. But then
he got the book and then you know, you guys
got that turnover. Talk to me about how you were
feeling throughout that game, because it seemed like it was
an up and down game.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, yeah, the game was very smooth.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Man, it was up and down when it came to
like the third quarter, man, third, the mid third, and
in the fourth, like cause I feel like going into halftime,
we even though we weren't playing our best defense, we
felt as we went into halftime fourteen to seven, you know,
so we really took We're there with a good mind,
good said, but we knew for a fact that we
was not playing, you know, the brand of football we
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wanted to play. And then you know, then coming out
you know, offense go three and out and then we
go out there and give up a long drive for
a tough like get tied the game up.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's not how you respond, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So that's what we got to get the connection in
that because that halftime swing was shit.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Could have been big for us.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You know, offense go out there, maybe put up three
to seven, and we go out there, get it three
and out and they come out there.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You know, so it went all bad.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But we all had to look ourselves into that mirror
and be like, hey, we're a better team than this man.
You know, we got guys that's very capable of being excellent,
and we just got to you know, play ball. You know,
I say, how eight players got to play like eight
players and you know that's all it is.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
What was the most surprising part of that game.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
The most surprising part about that game is to me
was the fact that I felt like, uh, the Seattle
Seahaffs did not like lose their composure, you know, with
us having two turnovers, with us getting to the quarterback
a good time. Think we sat there bout a little
four or five times. They never abandoned the run game.
They still kept you know, Sam Donald comfortable as in
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like making sure you still got play actions, make sure
you're still just sitting there just being just a free
target for like us to go sack on them, you know,
because of our pass rush. I feel like they did
a great job with that. And I was like, you know, surprisingly,
you know what I'm saying. Definitely what it got with
us going in up fourteen seven and then they coming
out answering answering and still sticking to their game plan.
You know a lot of teams kind of get away
from their game plan when it's time for the guys
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to kind of peel their ears back and get after
that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
They didn't believe in that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
They felt as in, like he we go establish this run,
make sure we keep this run going, and the panding
out for him.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, it definitely did. It seemed like you guys did
a great job on Sharbonnay. But but Kenneth Walker, you know,
he found his lanes and found the way he would heat,
you know, created something broke some tackles. Talk about how
difficult he was to deal with in that game because
it looked like, I mean, he only had thirteen carries,
but he had a hundred.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
No, it was That's the crazy part because the first
like the first drive, man we stopped the run. We
was flying around hitting them and uh, you know a
lot of cracked tosses and everything. So we kind of
watched that from film last week, you know, we watched
him gets them against Seattle, I mean, get sant Fran
a lot of crack tosses, trying to get him vertical.
We feel like that was coming to do that, and man,
he had some creases, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
He got locked up.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You know definitely had a long run for about thirty
forty yards and you see him one on one of
our safety making a great move on him, and you know,
but uh, and what really was is hurting for man
is that third and nineteen at the goal line he
catch another crack toss in. What I'm saying it scold again,
so you're like, you know what I'm saying. That's when
you be like, yeah, bro, this is just not the date.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
This is not the way.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
What was the film room like with with that? Because
that's the worst part. That's the part that's got to understand.
If you're getting that feel, it's not I mean, dealing
with it once is bad enough.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's tough, but have to watch it again. And he's
the coaches and you know you got might t that's
a defensive mind. The head coach.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You can tell that that right, they'll probably really identify
you as a team. You know, thankfully that it's early
that that that it's happened, you know, not laden into
the lad into the season against thankfully is a week
two and the fact that you know with a defensive
head coach, minor guy and he watching that on the
thirty nineteen with us probably can possibly, you know, still
be in his game, could.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Still be down to possessions.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
But now we're really down two big time scores, you know,
and that's that's just dreadful for me, you know, I
you know, definitely at thirty nineteen and they just.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Cracked toss and get a tug.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
But but but all the all the touchdowns weren't on
the defense. Uh, there was a special team's blunder. Uh
that happened in the game. And I just can't imagine
that conversation what it was like after he fumbled that,
or he didn't even fumble it, he just let it
go into the end zone. And I guess he thought
it was college rules. Because college rules, that's a dead ball.
But yeah, yeah, it's live.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's live with the mug, you know. Uh, you know,
that's a young kid. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Of course, of course we go hold him accountable, you
know what I'm saying, But hey, hey, we all make mistakes.
We've never been perfect, none of his ass been. I
made plenty of mistakes as a rook when I was young.
He made one, you know, hopefully like because I tried
what I talked to him, because he might a young
guy don't let that play define who you are, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Because that play like a play like that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Definitely this type of city, definitely with this type of environment, Definitely,
this type of standard this team has, this organization has
that can ruin a kid career, you know, just because
they could always remember the player back. So I just
told him, Man, keep your head for it. Don't let
that play to find you who you are. You're a
young kid, very talented and so hopefully man. You know,
he put that behind him, and I told him too, man,
and all the teams told him, Man, talk less. Don't
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talk about it no more like talk less. Don't even
bring it up, no more asked about it. Just Hey,
I'm on the bigger and better things. Man, I'm gonna
try to do them, you know, be ready to prepare
for my teammates.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So so he doing.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
A good mind, man, But I, like I told him, Man,
keep your head on your shoulders, man, because it's tough.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That was tough to see, yeah, tough to be a
part of.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's even tougher in this in this day and age
with social media and all this nonsense. Because they replayed
the play over and oh it used to be like,
hey man, I got to go home and see this
on Sports Center. But after a week it's gone, you know.
But now things are living on the internet, living on
social media so long and and these fans got so
much access to you and send hateful things.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And that's what makes it more, especially for a young kids.
As you get.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Older, you you you just a select all the laite.
You know, you don't read none of that nonsense, uh,
and you throw a couple of blocks at people, and
you you you be.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Done with it, or you don't even read it at all.
But as a young kid, it gets in your psyche.
You know, it's hard for it not to.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And anybody that's sitting there saying, oh, don't let it
bother you just haven't dealt with it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You haven't dealt with it on this level.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You haven't dealt with that level of hate for you
and people thinking that you don't care about something when
you've worked your whole life to get here. You've worked
your whole life to get in these moments, and you
made a mistake, not because it was purposefully and you
you were like, oh conscientious.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It was like, hey, I thought this was the rule.
Football is a fast game.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
As soon as he as soon as he that ball
bounced over his shoulder, it was danger. It was danger
time because people are hunting, people are moving really fast,
and they are trying to get him. So at that point,
as soon as I didn't see him turning around, I said, ooh, oh,
it's bad.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The only thing that could have saved is one of
your teammates beat them there.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, And with this new rule, man, with that being
a new rule into the league, with his kicking stuff,
I knew that was gonna be a big emphasis just
for the NFL because it like, it's not ain't saying
not happen, but it's not happening in the regular season
game mostly happened in preseason, so they ain't blow it
out of proportion because they know it doesn't count. It
doesn't affect your record, doesn't affect the person. Might infect
a person that's getting cut, but but not as in
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right now what they're doing the season. So with that
being really like the first time of experience that that's
really truly happening and somebody actually scoring off what I
knew it could be a big deal for him man.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So like I said, you know, the hate mails.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
He'd be most likely got a lot of man coming
to continue to keep me in his head and just
hey man, stay focused, man on to the next.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's tough. It's tough. It's
one of those things you got to you gotta just
get pasted. And hopefully he makes a big play later
on in the season and he can get past it,
you know, and because that'll be the thing they remember.
You know, this isn't It'd be different if this was
a season defining thing, if this late in the year,
that's the last game and that kicks you out of
the playoffs or something. But thankfully this is early in
the season. You know, he has plenty of room to
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grow and plenty of room to make some more plays
and make up for that. But I know that's tough
on the kid, and it was tough on a Rod
this day.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It was.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It was a tougher game for him in that offense.
DK Metcalf. I know he was looking for a revenge
game and got he got a touchdown in the game.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But struggled a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And that's frustrating too, because I've been there, I've been
part of you know, on the other side.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
My first game.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Back in Seattle with San Francisco, boy, we got our
faces give. I want to say, they won about forty
and something crazy, and you know you'd be sitting there like, hey, bro,
y'all couldn't like today, y'all couldn't do it for me,
Like I beat beat Wags had like a hundred yard
picked six and he was sitting there laughing with me
out like looking at me while he was running, saying,
I don't look at me god Dagon, but I feel
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you on that.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, I do that robbery. I do that robbery for real.
It's real because I did this.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I did the same thing too, man when I got
when I got the Philly and I played my first
time in Detroit, I was too ready, man, and but
I got a scoop and score for six, so I
was really lit, so really good. Was like yes, yes,
y'all let me go, and Trady be away. Y'all thought
it was so sweet. Okay, I got something for you,
So I got some fun. So I know I know
how DK is.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Man. He was. He kind of kept it cool all
week too, though. Man.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
He kept his composure and I told him, like, you know,
I asked him how he felt about it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know what I'm saying, He kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
He know, he's show like, you know, hey, it's the
best decision I needed to do for myself. And you
know what I'm saying, just because you know the different
direction there was going, and you know he saw differently then.
You know, he had a lot of guys that he
you know, he went to war with that's probably not
going to be there with him as well.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Which you know that the business is the business part,
but you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Know, uh, he feels like he loved his bird, and
I knew I wanted to have a big game for him.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I wanted to make sure because I'm one of the
ones that, hey, I understand how the person feels when
you feel like, you know, you did everything for an
organization and they trade your away or to release you,
and then you come there and get a home win.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
For him, it's a different feeling, man.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So we damn show Trump thought about him out there, man,
And for us not to get that dub for him,
I'll hurt for him too.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. It's a long season.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Tell me about the conversations in the locker room from
the from the all pro vets. You know, y'all got
so many incredible players on that defense. You Ramsey, Cam Hayward,
TJ Queen, a bunch of big time guys. Tell me
how to conversation because I know, I don't know if
you guys had the team only defensive only, but I
know there was a meeting of the minds after this
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game because there's a certain standard that each every one
of you guys hold yourselves too, and of course the
group as a whole.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, so uh what we basically we ain't have like
a team gatherer or nothing.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
It's more of a like, uh after the game, you
know a lot you know, of course, after the game
like that, a lot of guys kind of stay in
the locker room, and most likely it was all the
Vets like me, Ramsey and you know all of Cam, J, TJ.
So we're just chopping up a little bit man asking like, hey,
well we need to do different because it's early in
the year, and so I was just give him my
perspective of how I felt about what need to be
a little bit not saying a little crazy different, but
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just like the aspect of the game or how not
to be too hard on.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Ourselves or not.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Because I told him, like, I ain't gonna bring up
my last year team, you know, because Philly we had
the same type of schedule. You know, we had h
fourth short fourth weeks, then we had our bye week,
and we had the same thing this year. You know,
we got a four fourth game then the bye week,
and we started off the same way one and one,
and you.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Know, we weren't feeling like we living up to the
Philly standard.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And you know, next thing, you know that we turn
around after the bye week, number one defense in the league,
super Bowl champion.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
So I told the man, keep our composure and it's
let's be let's be detailed, man, Let's get more detailed
than we have a been.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And everybody just need to set their.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Role of what their role are, you know, and this lead,
everybody is a performance based lead.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So everybody want to outperform something so they get paid.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I said, what y'all don't know is when you win games,
you go to playoffs, you get in this championship games,
people come get winning coaches and.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
They will pay for it. So so that's why I'm
trying to sell folks.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You know, I'm trying to steering folks, like, hey, set
the role that you got here and be the master
at your role.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And and we've talked about this corner play because people
don't understand that how hard it is to do what
Jaalen Ramsey's trying to do.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And and that's why, you know, I know, he got
some criticism.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
First off, he got a nice book that was a
heck of a play out of off a tough route
that outcut off.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
The off the switch switch like, okay, all right, that's not.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
This boy cooking today, but to switch because he played
it looked like he played safety in that game a nickel.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
He played right corner, he played left corner. It's tough.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
That's a really tough thing to do. And that's why
some people were like, and as corners, you kind of
like you're prideful, because it's a prideful position. You gotta
I gotta think. I'm out here strapping, and hey, I
don't need to move for nobody. It don't matter who
come over here, the number one, number two, number three,
the best guy, the worst guy. I'm strapping, so I
don't need nobody's about. But when you have a dynamic
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like that, it's really tough to get a rhythm when
you're inside and outside and then back there to get
your press rhythm, your footwork that's necessary in these plays.
And so when people are like like, oh man, he
had a tough game, are you just like, hey, what
he trying to do, It's just like it's really difficult
to do.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, so I got You know, Jay got a
lot on his shoulders. You know, with him playing the
safety road. He started at safety, he go to nickel
and base and then he sometimes he go to corner.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Uh, he got a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
And you know I was telling him like, hey man,
I know you got a lot going on, man, But
he signed up for he loved that challenge.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
He loved the challenge. So you know, he had to
talk with me today just about like, hey man, I
gotta be way better.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Even though with him knowing so many positions, you know,
he don't get you. No, he don't want no leadway,
he don't want know Patty on the back just because
of the fact that he got three positions. He need
to learn because he feel as in like he's one
of the best to probably play this game at this
corner position. So I understand him because I'm the same way.
And then and I told him, like when we all
got together, you know, when they would have made the
acquirement to trade for rinds are like, hey, I've been
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telling it. I've been I've been a number one corner,
a corner for ten years, you know in this game.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And I told folks, it's like I said, you gotta
play your role. Like I'm not here to sit here
and say like hey slay. I know I could travel
and do my thing and he and whatever, like I'm
more of a team player.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So whatever we fit to need the team and win.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
If I got to be the two corner, three corner,
whatever corner I need to be, I'm here to do
that and the maxim my ability of being that. So
he understand that role for me, So I to make
him feel comfort to be an understand his role for himself.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So he understands it's a tough challenge.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He know for a fact that he feels as he
plays his best game.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
He made some plays for us, of course, like he
always do his Ramsey, but he knows his standards high
to himself because he's one of the best in his game.
So every day, you know, we gonna come put the
work in and he got continue to keep better.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I'm gonna help him try to get better as well myself.
He will help me.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
So I just hope for the best for him every year.
Every time I think i's gotta go out there and
get it. I think it's a it's a great conversation.
I think it's always a conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I know it's a weird dynamic, but it's a tough conversation,
you know, because people always talk about the oh, you
didn't follow this receipt or you didn't I followed whenever
I was asked to do it, and then when somebody
else struggled, like it's a it's a different kind of
understanding when you have conversations in the dB room and
they say, hey, I want you to follow this guy
because I don't think our other corner can do it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
That's pretty much what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And so when when in our locker room, I had
a high respect for guys we were dealing with, unless
those guys was like, hey, Sharon, that's cool, go ahead,
then I you a stand up and if you don't,
I'll be over there to deal with him. But look,
I'm gonna let you take a chance at it. I'm
gonna let you know what I mean, because I believe
in you. I respect your game, and if nothing else,
we can lean or over there and we can figure
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it out. But I'm not gonna sit here and bump
you and diminish you and say, hey, you can't do this,
so let me go strap.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's not necessary, that's not what we need to do.
We can lean and figure that out.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I know, it's it's just always a tough thing
to navigate, especially two veteran guys, two guys who are
out for us, who've been number ones and so many things.
So it's it's cool that y'all able to have those
conversations and at least, you know, comes to some common
ground in a decent respect and an understanding because both
of y'all can do it.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Both y'all have done at a high level for a
long time. Yeah. Yeah, we got a lot of respect
for each other. Man. We had a conversation.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
We had one with Shoot with Mike T and just like, hey,
look he understood where we're at. You know, Shoot, they know,
you know, he know it comes with getting paid twenty
six million dollars a year. You know what I'm saying.
You know, so he ready for it. He always signed
up for He look forward to it every week. Shoot,
I look forward to that every week. Who if I line
up in front of me, my job is to, you know,
dominate this guy. Matter who it is, is a Tier one
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receiver or Tier five, it don't really matter, and I'm
ready to go and no question.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But that's another aspect of it that I think people
don't understand, just the whole sprinting on the other side
of the field, like from side to side.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
We ain't got to jog back like there was.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Sometimes we didn't even go back to the huddle because
it's like, hey, we.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Treated it like it was too bad. You don't hire
on a two minute you just be like whatever, we
don't figure this out. We figured this out.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Uh, That's how we played it a lot of times,
because it's just more effective. Like if somebody struggling, somebody
giving up some plays, earl step on the other side
that has I bet you don't unlost, unleash no go ball.
Now come over here and deal with me, and so
you know, there's other ways to navigate it. But I
think you guys get it figured out. You got Mike
T's too smart of a coach. You're two talented of
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a team. It's just a bump of the road that
I know is frustrating. How was the environment, because that's
a tough environment to play in, all the Seattle I
used to hate playing there.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
When it's still it's nothines anymore? What is it now?
Feel called it was hines Field back in the day. Yeah, yeah,
we look old it was a hospital. I still thought
it was. I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I'm like, yeah, maybe not be It's my than my
second time in the stadium playing for this team, so
in this organization, so I don't really know that now.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I barely know how to get there, a for sure
a for sure stadium, yeah hines Field. Yeah yeah, hey,
I better know how to get there. I'm still GPS.
And tell me how how that environment was?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Those fans, you know, the terrible towns, the history of
that place, man, it was.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Now that that I'm on the other side of it, right,
you know, they got that renegade on and man, look
I was on the you know, opponent's side at one
time listen to I'm like, dang, this is this is
crazy and now you feel you know what I'm saying.
Even though I felt the energy from you know, from them,
from being just from the way team, but on the
home team down that you hear it and it's like
and that's what really gets you coin you know what
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I'm saying, Like I'm back where when it comes down
to third down or something like that, I might get
the we or something like that.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
For the defense, they got to renegade and they take.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
A long time, like they hold that clock like I
think it's like they might got some with the NFL,
because they they might.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
They didn't let the whole song.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Play out, Like I'm like, like it's like a TV
time out and you know they get to go on
them towers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Man, it was. It was a great environment. Man.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Fortunately, you know, we didn't get the dub that we
needed to for the city on our first home open
home game, but they bring the energy.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Man.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I never understood the terrible towers thing because I'm just looking,
but it's really just a yellow tower.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Why it's so terrible? You better be careful, be out
be caretful because I'm trying. I'm trying to understand the culture, man,
that's all it is. I'm just trying to say what
makes the tower the tower terrible? That's all I want
to know.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Like, well, in the comments Stiller fans, y'all make sure
y'all educate Big play.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Terrible.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, I just want to know the education because I
think needs some nice looking towers.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
That's what I'm thinking right on, some nice style. Yeah,
I'm just trying to figure out what is terrible. Y'all
got the Patriots in Jellette this week.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Talk about how y'all feeling, because it's it's definitely one
of those games where you felt like, hey, we had
a bounce back, we got to make a statement. They
played a good game against the Miami Dolphins, were able
to come out with a win against a division opponent.
Obviously there's some up and down play with Drake May,
but y'all gotta be feeling really really good about it.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, it's a good time for us to go out
here and you know, another chance to go out here
and perform play at a higher level, man, uh and
really set that expectations of what we need to be Man,
we got to make a stamp on something.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Man.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Definitely in all phases, run game, communication, the passing game,
you know, every every aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So we got a lot a lot to do. Man.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Thing that's probably been going great for us right now
is special team, you know, in a great way.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
You know, our kicker is not missing nothing. We have
guys that's making special teams.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Players from last week that helped us win the game
against the Jets, that the one turnover before then, and
then you know, special teams came up a little bit
big this week.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You know, we made to miss a field goal.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
So overall, man, I think the team for show gotta
go out here and just focused details and we gotta
be a lock.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Damn. We gotta send a message to the league. And
it's really like, I know this's not and it's they
are in that division, but not in the division. So
it's the AFC.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
So we got to go set the tone for this
team because it's some good teams in the AFC. Man,
for us to be one of them, we got to
go out here and dominate some guys.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, speaking of another AFC team, our guy Travis Hunter
was able to play eighty five snaps this week he
played I think thirty I don't get I gotta get
the exact numbers, but it was. It was a little
over forty two on offense. I think he played thirty
eight on defense. That's only that's adding up to eighty
nine eighty five. But yeah, that's what they telling us.
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But he had three catches for twenty two yards, two tackles,
and two passes defended on thirty eight snaps on defense.
What did you think his game? Obviously, that pass and
inference was unfortunate. I don't see how you can cover
that much better. That's one of them calls where I'm like,
come to f on, like I'm playing both ways, doing
all this for the game. I cover the six three
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t ten pounds receiver as well as I can back
the ball away, and y'all call that, like.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You can't call that right there in that spot, you can't.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Definitely on the fourth and five, I saw the hoigh
on the board man. Definitely four and five For a
young kid that you know that's trying to be who
he is. That's the number two pick of the draft,
So I'm just happy for him. They gave me more
reps on defense for show man, I want to see
in that and you see as the reps goes, his
production getting better, you know, definitely the two PBUs. So uh,
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it's big for him, man, it's big. I like that
for him, man, And thankfully, like it's good to see
him on that defense. You know, I'm a defensive line
of guy, so I want to see him play that
corner and me too. He got and I'm glad he
got a good chance to go again some of the
best receivers in this league. And he continue to keep,
you know, showing sparks because like I said, we all
know he gets it in very versatile, so we want
to see him put that to use man, definitely on
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that defensive side.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
But it's again just to talk about what we talked
about before, Like he played forty two STAPs to get
him three catches for twenty two yards, Like was it
worth it? Was it worth the energy of putting him
out there for forty two snaps for him to half
three catches for twenty two yards? Like you could do
that in twenty snaps, you could do that in fifteen,
Like you don't have to have him out there if
that's he got six targets, like you could have twenty
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plays to every passing down he's out there and get
him his passes. But on defense, I thought he he
played really well. I thought that would have been such
an iconic play for him. If they don't call that
nonsense on him, because think about this, in another world,
he bats that, that's game, that's game. So Travis Hunter
playing both ways, makes an incredible play on defense to
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save the game, to seal the win for the Jacksonville
Daguars that BS called just as a corner makes you mad, boy.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That would have been one of the biggest headlines as
a rookie this coming week too, just the fact they
played them snaps they'll have been talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Of course they're a man talking about his three for
twenty six catches about twenty six yards.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
But that play there would like say like, hey, Travis,
is this guy that we all thought he was definitely that,
But you know that's the red fault, man, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Like, especially in that play, like I can understand if
it's a gregious he grabbed him by the neck.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It wouldn't nothing crazy. He got his fight around, he
got his hand around and tapped the ball. The ball,
that's come on, man, And that's what they asked for.
That's what they asked for us to do.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Look, make sure you leaning Loki and turn your head
look for the ball before you can get a pi.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
But then when you look for the ball, and when
old Gregious holding, he wasn't no Egregious. They hand fighting.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So if you're gonna call that, then like the receiver
is putting his hands on him and he's putting his
hands back on the receiver. They're hand fighting. That's part
of the game. Like, is there a slight restriction, I'm sure.
Are there push off from receivers? I'm sure? But those
are the plays that hey, on a fourth and five
for the game. You gotta let him.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Play's gotta be outrageous. It gotta be outrageous. I mean, yeah,
is it?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I mean, I am hey, I'm just just because I like,
that's my little homies. So I'm like hot about it
because the fact that like that could have been a
real sennature play to get his like start off his
career when they be like maybe the first time Travis
Hunt made a big time stop. He's been doing this
since a rookie year, you know, early earlier. He started
off earlier like so that's what I'm blowing about. But
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I'm sure he's gonna have way more opportunities, you know,
to make some type of plays.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And I'm waiting for his first pick.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
So I didn't know, see what you do with that rock,
but uh, you know you don't do something crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I'm almost more frustrated because I know if he makes
that play and seals the game, it's gonna put something
in the.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Back of his head about like, hey, maybe y'all go dB.
Yes you are a dB.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yes, yes, come join us, Come join us, man, come
join us, Come on, come on over there. You know
you want to you know you want to get in
that little pedal. You know you want to speed turning out.
I know, I know, I know scoring touchdowns it's smooth.
I know I wish I could too in the league
you're doing. But you just need twenty twenty five stamps.
Y'all guaranteed six targets a game.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
We're good to go. Come home and go ahead with
his island so you can come over and join that
DP world. He want to be over here with us,
right what you want to be You want to be
over here? Because that's gonna allow you to reach the principice.
It's gonna reach the heights you can reach. Oh yeah,
you gonna be that. Yeah, he gonna be that time
that he got.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Man, he could be in that serious goat conversation one
these days if he continue to keep growing as a
player every year. Man, God forbid injury free years and
good stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So man, come on, steels his poised, his field like
he's right there, and then you know, you give up
that play to to Jamar Chase on the on the curl.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
But I mean this is Damar Chase. Yeah, I mean
that's his lipper. You got a lift for that living
be in them conversations that he.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Know he want to be in the only type of
matchups you gotta go dominate and win. I know they
gonna come though, they gonna come.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Come, and he's just a rookie. But I just wanted
to keep getting more snaps. I like that what they're
doing with him. I just wish they flip the numbers
the way I need him to flip because you're wasting
a lot of energy on forty two snaps to get
six targets. So that mean I mean what the other
thirty six plays you wasn't You was just out there
twiddling your thumbs getting conditioning, Like we don't need that.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Hey, the receivers call it cutting grass. Cutting grass.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Receivers call it. I can find they cutting the grass man.
I'm not head just cutting grass like that. The thing
was to tell me, boy, they like, I'm just cutting
his grass.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Man, I'm just runn up and down this field and
coming back. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, they got a we got a question from the fans,
big play. They said, who is your best corner of
all time? Now, before we go too deep in this
and go down the rabbit hole, we got under you
can't forget about Mel Blunt and Mike Haynes and yeah,
Lester Hayes and Darryl Green and you got Champ and
and like there's a lot of guys in there that
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that that you know, could throw the at in the ring.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, my goat of all goats right now, I ain't
go my goat. It's as far as Champ, you know. Uh,
He's he's from around the corner down the street from
front Man.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Everybody wanted to be like Champ where I'm at and
you know.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
So uh, that's that's always been the goat man. I
wanted to go to Georgia because he went to Georgia.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
All that I wore, he wore him before I wanted
him a foe, you know, and that's what I wore
for in high school. So like I always wanted to
be like Champ because that's just like who would go
be the next champ come up? So I did get
that kind of recognized recognization as in, like slave, I
got a chance to be the next champ around here
right now, so I had to I had.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
To scale up there. So I'm feeling good.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
So uh, and you know, of course, you know he's
you know, first Battle of Hall of Fame, had an
amazing career in college facing that, so I know. But
coming through high school, I was getting that kind of
like love as in, like, okay, we finally guys another
down South guy that's kind of like a champ because
he he was magnificent man. Everybody tried to do everything.
They make everything, and I played corner because of him everything.
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So Chapman goat always.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And then he panned out the way I want him
to pan out in the league. Shuld I love it,
I love yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I mean at that ten pick year he had was
wild too, Like, I don't think he pople talking about
that enough. At ten pick year Champ had, Boy, he
was out there playing some football football man.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
That's what we saying.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
You know, you know, everybody know who to get. You know,
got Deanna as the goat. Well, I'm just saying, like
Champ definitely close to that conversation.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Got let me, let me get his numbers, because I
don't want to. I don't want to Champ up that.
I think Chap got like what he like, fifty fifty
five pick maybe, don't worry, don't worry, be right here
for you in a second. Give me, give me two seconds,
give me in two seconds. Letting Barney, it's nineteen forty.
(30:00):
Let's see nineteen forty. No, I'm going all the way back.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I mean, I know Champai yeah, Bailey fifty two interceptions,
fifty two on New Year, Dion fifty three, Yah Long
fifty three, Aneas Williams fifty five mm.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Paul Kraus got eighty one. See but they they told
they just switched it five to eighty one.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
No, that because I just went to the top because
they were saying, Dick Knight tran Lane was up there
for a while. They be playing you know what I mean,
They be fluctuating these numbers because these numbers looked different before,
because they got Night trained Lane at sixty eight now
and Rob wits Woodson at.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Seventy one and Emmelyn Tunnel at seventy nine. God, oh
what that's that's when the game was different.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
That's why fans are like, yeah, you guys don't get
as many interceptions anymore because it's a different game. Like
quarterbacks were out there first off, concussed barely up from
down the hit. They're under the rest and they're not worried.
They weren't worried about interceptions back then, they weren't seeing
the way we see them now. It wasn't like, oh,
quarterback throws four interceptions, they're the worst quarterback in the world.
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It's like, hey, just win the game. And so the whole,
the whole way football was looked at was different. Now
everything is efficiency, Like, hey, you throw two picks in
a game, you're the worst quarterback in the world.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
So quarterbacks are are risk averse.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
That's why you're not getting at thirteen fourteen interceptions, gonna
lead the league. Back in the day you had twenty
twenty five interceptions. Easy, Brett Farve got the most interceptions
in the history of the game. He even throwing them out,
giving them out like hotcakes. And so I wish we
played in there in an era where they weren't treating
quarterbacks like, hey, man, if you throw a few interceptions, look, don't, don't.
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Don't treat them so bad, because like them throw a
couple to me and let me feed my family. But
you know it, quarterbacks, or rather eat the ball or
throw it out of bells or make it uncatchable than
to throw you a buck.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I'm trying to tell you, boy, because Devi with bread
fall throwing what the most lever boy, that boy was like.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
What how they was in long yard. He's like, ugh,
uh the MEC tickets for everybody to throw the man.
Well boy god Lee yeah. Man, But father, that's why
I be telling folks when we'll be always talking.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
About this version of football and that version of football.
That version of football was really strictly about winning, like
it was really about that. It was not about no
stacks about if he do for three hundred yards and dada.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
This year.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Ever, it's all about numbers. Everybody want to bring in numbers, numbers,
the numbers that his numbers did. Number that numbers do
womans do taking effect. But like when it comes down
to big like he threw three hundred and thirty six.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Come on, what that?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That's a lot The next closest person at two seventy
seven three hundred what thirty six?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
And I can only imagine how many games he played.
I know he didn't play that.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
He probably what it is in his sption percentage is
only three point three percent, so it was a lot.
He played a lot of games because George Blander was
six point nine and John Handl was five point seven
in Vinnie Testaverdi through two undred and sixty seven, but
it was only four percent of the passes he threw.
So yeah, yeah, three thirty six.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
God dang four hundred that dan that then to.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Pick a game, now what I'm saying like if they
was feeding like that when we played, I forget a
fifty piece. But that's that's what people don't appreciate about
how hard it is to get interceptions in this day
and age of all this efficiency and and all this,
you know, I mean, all these eyes on it, quarterbacks
aren't going to do it. If they don't have to
do it. You gotta hunt for him. Yeah, you gotta
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hunt for him. And the quarterbacks aren't concussed. They as
comfortable as they We was talking to Jared Goff, or
I was talking to a big wit, and he said
Jared Goff was telling him someday some games, he's not
even sore after the game because they're not getting hit
like that no more. I mean, they got a great
offensive line, but I mean, I'm sorry, they take enough
sacks they gonna feel sore. But it's a different game.
And that's why the old school quarterbacks talk about it.
It's so soft because they had to play under such duress.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, I mean talking about really getting hit and then
you might pop up really with a fully full blown cercussion.
If you go to that saline, you're gonna fell it today.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
That's second.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
But look, I got twenty eight and I know for
a fact or if I played in nineteen sixty seventy eighty, shit,
I'm having fifty.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Of them get media.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, with you playing at about sixty seventy, I do
i'ld have got be about fifty.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I would have been on over that water every year, like,
let me get a car. I ain't dropping too many
of these books now.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Not And then they and they wasn't so bad about
the game back then. It wouldn't know it was that
much crazy rock combinations, man, that they would have been.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
No. Man, you already was picking all the fae ball. Look.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I saw see some of them more outs from back
of the day, and I love them dudes because they
could play.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
But it just was different the Christmas wasn't you know
what I mean? It didn't need to be. Yeah, I
mean they that's it's a different game.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
But it's a very different game for show. But it's
all respect from guys tho they asked. And how deep
was the Hardball Carrol rivalry? Understand this, y'all can look
this quote up.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
When Pete Carroll was asked did he have anything fond
to say this week about Jim R. Ball, he said, no,
I have no fond memories of him. That's how that
rivalry goes. Look, Jim has changed over the years. Jim
has gotten a lot better and and and more peaceful more,
you know what I mean. Cordial, but he felt that
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way too about the rivalry for a while, at least
while we were at Stanford. I think over the years,
you know, if by Gones or by Gones, he's let
a lot of things go that Pete. I don't know
if he's letting go. But I'm interested to watch this
game tonight because that's gonna be a dogfight. But I
don't think there's any love lost or love found between
them two big play.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Hey, I know it ain't by That's crazy though, that
you play for both of them, So it's like that's
almost asking you a question. I don't even want to
put you in that tough bond act, but I ain't
gonna put you in that tough bond.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I didn't play. I didn't
play for both of them a couple different times. I
know that's what I'm saying. So I'm like, I go
put you that body. But I know, boy, that gonna
be so damn.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
And for real though, how Pete be looking and how
he'd be running a bit at it. He might be
the most in shape man I ever seen in my
life at that age, but he might be ready to.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Box some two if he ready. Yeah, yeah, he definitely
look he gonna be in shape for it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He gonna he maximizing that what seventy three, seventy four
year old body he got.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Man, I'm telling you, I ain't never seen I'll be
seeing them doing push us. I'll be seeing them running
up and down the field, springing, throwing the ball, playing
quarterback with the team. I know he be throwing ducks
out there, but he's still throwing that back way.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
He's way, he's way, the best quarterback to ever play.
But I appreciate your big play for joining us.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I know this is your off thing coming up, and
you got things to do, people to see, places to be.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
As always, it's all love, brother, all love. Are you
already know what timing is?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yes, sir, yes, sir. Appreciate you guys joining us too.
You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here
with me and my guy. Big play and we appreciate that.
Hit that sub button.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
If you knew h
There was a special team's blunder that happened in the game,
and I just can't imagine that conversation and what it
was like. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast, and
you know what time it is. It's that time that
I got my guy, big play Slave to talk about
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what's happened this week and hear his opinion on everything.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That was a tough one, Big play Man. That's very
very tough one man, very tough one man.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know we had to That's when you really got
to lock yourself in the midr and like, yeah, yeah,
that's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Was tough.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's unfortunate because anytime your defense has two turnovers.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You feel really good about it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Obviously, you guy Jalen Ramsey had a turnover second drive
at the football game, you know, after he had gave
up what appeared to be a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I don't know, I'm not watching the tape. I gotta
go look at the All twenty two.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It looked like he was the nearest guy, but I
know how that can be fabricated and twisted. But then
he got the book and then you know, you guys
got that turnover. Talk to me about how you were
feeling throughout that game, because it seemed like it was
an up and down game.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, yeah, the game was very smooth.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Man, it was up and down when it came to
like the third quarter, man, third, the mid third, and
in the fourth, like cause I feel like going into halftime,
we even though we weren't playing our best defense, we
felt as we went into halftime fourteen to seven, you know,
so we really took We're there with a good mind,
good said, but we knew for a fact that we
was not playing, you know, the brand of football we
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wanted to play. And then you know, then coming out
you know, offense go three and out and then we
go out there and give up a long drive for
a tough like get tied the game up.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's not how you respond, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So that's what we got to get the connection in
that because that halftime swing was shit.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Could have been big for us.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You know, offense go out there, maybe put up three
to seven, and we go out there, get it three
and out and they come out there.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You know, so it went all bad.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But we all had to look ourselves into that mirror
and be like, hey, we're a better team than this man.
You know, we got guys that's very capable of being excellent,
and we just got to you know, play ball. You know,
I say, how eight players got to play like eight
players and you know that's all it is.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
What was the most surprising part of that game.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
The most surprising part about that game is to me
was the fact that I felt like, uh, the Seattle
Seahaffs did not like lose their composure, you know, with
us having two turnovers, with us getting to the quarterback
a good time. Think we sat there bout a little
four or five times. They never abandoned the run game.
They still kept you know, Sam Donald comfortable as in
(02:30):
like making sure you still got play actions, make sure
you're still just sitting there just being just a free
target for like us to go sack on them, you know,
because of our pass rush. I feel like they did
a great job with that. And I was like, you know, surprisingly,
you know what I'm saying. Definitely what it got with
us going in up fourteen seven and then they coming
out answering answering and still sticking to their game plan.
You know a lot of teams kind of get away
from their game plan when it's time for the guys
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to kind of peel their ears back and get after
that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
They didn't believe in that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
They felt as in, like he we go establish this run,
make sure we keep this run going, and the panding
out for him.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, it definitely did. It seemed like you guys did
a great job on Sharbonnay. But but Kenneth Walker, you know,
he found his lanes and found the way he would heat,
you know, created something broke some tackles. Talk about how
difficult he was to deal with in that game because
it looked like, I mean, he only had thirteen carries,
but he had a hundred.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
No, it was That's the crazy part because the first
like the first drive, man we stopped the run. We
was flying around hitting them and uh, you know a
lot of cracked tosses and everything. So we kind of
watched that from film last week, you know, we watched
him gets them against Seattle, I mean, get sant Fran
a lot of crack tosses, trying to get him vertical.
We feel like that was coming to do that, and man,
he had some creases, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
He got locked up.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You know definitely had a long run for about thirty
forty yards and you see him one on one of
our safety making a great move on him, and you know,
but uh, and what really was is hurting for man
is that third and nineteen at the goal line he
catch another crack toss in. What I'm saying it scold again,
so you're like, you know what I'm saying. That's when
you be like, yeah, bro, this is just not the date.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
This is not the way.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
What was the film room like with with that? Because
that's the worst part. That's the part that's got to understand.
If you're getting that feel, it's not I mean, dealing
with it once is bad enough.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's tough, but have to watch it again. And he's
the coaches and you know you got might t that's
a defensive mind. The head coach.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You can tell that that right, they'll probably really identify
you as a team. You know, thankfully that it's early
that that that it's happened, you know, not laden into
the lad into the season against thankfully is a week
two and the fact that you know with a defensive
head coach, minor guy and he watching that on the
thirty nineteen with us probably can possibly, you know, still
be in his game, could.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Still be down to possessions.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
But now we're really down two big time scores, you know,
and that's that's just dreadful for me, you know, I
you know, definitely at thirty nineteen and they just.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Cracked toss and get a tug.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
But but but all the all the touchdowns weren't on
the defense. Uh, there was a special team's blunder. Uh
that happened in the game. And I just can't imagine
that conversation what it was like after he fumbled that,
or he didn't even fumble it, he just let it
go into the end zone. And I guess he thought
it was college rules. Because college rules, that's a dead ball.
But yeah, yeah, it's live.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's live with the mug, you know. Uh, you know,
that's a young kid. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Of course, of course we go hold him accountable, you
know what I'm saying, But hey, hey, we all make mistakes.
We've never been perfect, none of his ass been. I
made plenty of mistakes as a rook when I was young.
He made one, you know, hopefully like because I tried
what I talked to him, because he might a young
guy don't let that play define who you are, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Because that play like a play like that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Definitely this type of city, definitely with this type of environment, Definitely,
this type of standard this team has, this organization has
that can ruin a kid career, you know, just because
they could always remember the player back. So I just
told him, Man, keep your head for it. Don't let
that play to find you who you are. You're a
young kid, very talented and so hopefully man. You know,
he put that behind him, and I told him too, man,
and all the teams told him, Man, talk less. Don't
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talk about it no more like talk less. Don't even
bring it up, no more asked about it. Just Hey,
I'm on the bigger and better things. Man, I'm gonna
try to do them, you know, be ready to prepare
for my teammates.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So so he doing.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
A good mind, man, But I, like I told him, Man,
keep your head on your shoulders, man, because it's tough.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That was tough to see, yeah, tough to be a
part of.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's even tougher in this in this day and age
with social media and all this nonsense. Because they replayed
the play over and oh it used to be like,
hey man, I got to go home and see this
on Sports Center. But after a week it's gone, you know.
But now things are living on the internet, living on
social media so long and and these fans got so
much access to you and send hateful things.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And that's what makes it more, especially for a young kids.
As you get.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Older, you you you just a select all the laite.
You know, you don't read none of that nonsense, uh,
and you throw a couple of blocks at people, and
you you you be.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Done with it, or you don't even read it at all.
But as a young kid, it gets in your psyche.
You know, it's hard for it not to.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And anybody that's sitting there saying, oh, don't let it
bother you just haven't dealt with it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You haven't dealt with it on this level.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You haven't dealt with that level of hate for you
and people thinking that you don't care about something when
you've worked your whole life to get here. You've worked
your whole life to get in these moments, and you
made a mistake, not because it was purposefully and you
you were like, oh conscientious.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It was like, hey, I thought this was the rule.
Football is a fast game.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
As soon as he as soon as he that ball
bounced over his shoulder, it was danger. It was danger
time because people are hunting, people are moving really fast,
and they are trying to get him. So at that point,
as soon as I didn't see him turning around, I said, ooh, oh,
it's bad.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The only thing that could have saved is one of
your teammates beat them there.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, And with this new rule, man, with that being
a new rule into the league, with his kicking stuff,
I knew that was gonna be a big emphasis just
for the NFL because it like, it's not ain't saying
not happen, but it's not happening in the regular season
game mostly happened in preseason, so they ain't blow it
out of proportion because they know it doesn't count. It
doesn't affect your record, doesn't affect the person. Might infect
a person that's getting cut, but but not as in
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right now what they're doing the season. So with that
being really like the first time of experience that that's
really truly happening and somebody actually scoring off what I
knew it could be a big deal for him man.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So like I said, you know, the hate mails.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
He'd be most likely got a lot of man coming
to continue to keep me in his head and just
hey man, stay focused, man on to the next.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's tough. It's tough. It's
one of those things you got to you gotta just
get pasted. And hopefully he makes a big play later
on in the season and he can get past it,
you know, and because that'll be the thing they remember.
You know, this isn't It'd be different if this was
a season defining thing, if this late in the year,
that's the last game and that kicks you out of
the playoffs or something. But thankfully this is early in
the season. You know, he has plenty of room to
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grow and plenty of room to make some more plays
and make up for that. But I know that's tough
on the kid, and it was tough on a Rod
this day.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It was.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It was a tougher game for him in that offense.
DK Metcalf. I know he was looking for a revenge
game and got he got a touchdown in the game.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But struggled a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And that's frustrating too, because I've been there, I've been
part of you know, on the other side.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
My first game.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Back in Seattle with San Francisco, boy, we got our
faces give. I want to say, they won about forty
and something crazy, and you know you'd be sitting there like, hey, bro,
y'all couldn't like today, y'all couldn't do it for me,
Like I beat beat Wags had like a hundred yard
picked six and he was sitting there laughing with me
out like looking at me while he was running, saying,
I don't look at me god Dagon, but I feel
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you on that.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, I do that robbery. I do that robbery for real.
It's real because I did this.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I did the same thing too, man when I got
when I got the Philly and I played my first
time in Detroit, I was too ready, man, and but
I got a scoop and score for six, so I
was really lit, so really good. Was like yes, yes,
y'all let me go, and Trady be away. Y'all thought
it was so sweet. Okay, I got something for you,
So I got some fun. So I know I know
how DK is.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Man. He was. He kind of kept it cool all
week too, though. Man.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
He kept his composure and I told him, like, you know,
I asked him how he felt about it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know what I'm saying, He kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
He know, he's show like, you know, hey, it's the
best decision I needed to do for myself. And you
know what I'm saying, just because you know the different
direction there was going, and you know he saw differently then.
You know, he had a lot of guys that he
you know, he went to war with that's probably not
going to be there with him as well.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Which you know that the business is the business part,
but you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Know, uh, he feels like he loved his bird, and
I knew I wanted to have a big game for him.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I wanted to make sure because I'm one of the
ones that, hey, I understand how the person feels when
you feel like, you know, you did everything for an
organization and they trade your away or to release you,
and then you come there and get a home win.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
For him, it's a different feeling, man.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So we damn show Trump thought about him out there, man,
And for us not to get that dub for him,
I'll hurt for him too.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. It's a long season.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Tell me about the conversations in the locker room from
the from the all pro vets. You know, y'all got
so many incredible players on that defense. You Ramsey, Cam Hayward,
TJ Queen, a bunch of big time guys. Tell me
how to conversation because I know, I don't know if
you guys had the team only defensive only, but I
know there was a meeting of the minds after this
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game because there's a certain standard that each every one
of you guys hold yourselves too, and of course the
group as a whole.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, so uh what we basically we ain't have like
a team gatherer or nothing.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
It's more of a like, uh after the game, you
know a lot you know, of course, after the game
like that, a lot of guys kind of stay in
the locker room, and most likely it was all the
Vets like me, Ramsey and you know all of Cam, J, TJ.
So we're just chopping up a little bit man asking like, hey,
well we need to do different because it's early in
the year, and so I was just give him my
perspective of how I felt about what need to be
a little bit not saying a little crazy different, but
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just like the aspect of the game or how not
to be too hard on.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Ourselves or not.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Because I told him, like, I ain't gonna bring up
my last year team, you know, because Philly we had
the same type of schedule. You know, we had h
fourth short fourth weeks, then we had our bye week,
and we had the same thing this year. You know,
we got a four fourth game then the bye week,
and we started off the same way one and one,
and you.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Know, we weren't feeling like we living up to the
Philly standard.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And you know, next thing, you know that we turn
around after the bye week, number one defense in the league,
super Bowl champion.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
So I told the man, keep our composure and it's
let's be let's be detailed, man, Let's get more detailed
than we have a been.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And everybody just need to set their.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Role of what their role are, you know, and this lead,
everybody is a performance based lead.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So everybody want to outperform something so they get paid.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I said, what y'all don't know is when you win games,
you go to playoffs, you get in this championship games,
people come get winning coaches and.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
They will pay for it. So so that's why I'm
trying to sell folks.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You know, I'm trying to steering folks, like, hey, set
the role that you got here and be the master
at your role.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And and we've talked about this corner play because people
don't understand that how hard it is to do what
Jaalen Ramsey's trying to do.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And and that's why, you know, I know, he got
some criticism.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
First off, he got a nice book that was a
heck of a play out of off a tough route
that outcut off.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
The off the switch switch like, okay, all right, that's not.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
This boy cooking today, but to switch because he played
it looked like he played safety in that game a nickel.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
He played right corner, he played left corner. It's tough.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
That's a really tough thing to do. And that's why
some people were like, and as corners, you kind of
like you're prideful, because it's a prideful position. You gotta
I gotta think. I'm out here strapping, and hey, I
don't need to move for nobody. It don't matter who
come over here, the number one, number two, number three,
the best guy, the worst guy. I'm strapping, so I
don't need nobody's about. But when you have a dynamic
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like that, it's really tough to get a rhythm when
you're inside and outside and then back there to get
your press rhythm, your footwork that's necessary in these plays.
And so when people are like like, oh man, he
had a tough game, are you just like, hey, what
he trying to do, It's just like it's really difficult
to do.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, so I got You know, Jay got a
lot on his shoulders. You know, with him playing the
safety road. He started at safety, he go to nickel
and base and then he sometimes he go to corner.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Uh, he got a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
And you know I was telling him like, hey man,
I know you got a lot going on, man, But
he signed up for he loved that challenge.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
He loved the challenge. So you know, he had to
talk with me today just about like, hey man, I
gotta be way better.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Even though with him knowing so many positions, you know,
he don't get you. No, he don't want no leadway,
he don't want know Patty on the back just because
of the fact that he got three positions. He need
to learn because he feel as in like he's one
of the best to probably play this game at this
corner position. So I understand him because I'm the same way.
And then and I told him, like when we all
got together, you know, when they would have made the
acquirement to trade for rinds are like, hey, I've been
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telling it. I've been I've been a number one corner,
a corner for ten years, you know in this game.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And I told folks, it's like I said, you gotta
play your role. Like I'm not here to sit here
and say like hey slay. I know I could travel
and do my thing and he and whatever, like I'm
more of a team player.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So whatever we fit to need the team and win.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
If I got to be the two corner, three corner,
whatever corner I need to be, I'm here to do
that and the maxim my ability of being that. So
he understand that role for me, So I to make
him feel comfort to be an understand his role for himself.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So he understands it's a tough challenge.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He know for a fact that he feels as he
plays his best game.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
He made some plays for us, of course, like he
always do his Ramsey, but he knows his standards high
to himself because he's one of the best in his game.
So every day, you know, we gonna come put the
work in and he got continue to keep better.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I'm gonna help him try to get better as well myself.
He will help me.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
So I just hope for the best for him every year.
Every time I think i's gotta go out there and
get it. I think it's a it's a great conversation.
I think it's always a conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I know it's a weird dynamic, but it's a tough conversation,
you know, because people always talk about the oh, you
didn't follow this receipt or you didn't I followed whenever
I was asked to do it, and then when somebody
else struggled, like it's a it's a different kind of
understanding when you have conversations in the dB room and
they say, hey, I want you to follow this guy
because I don't think our other corner can do it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
That's pretty much what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And so when when in our locker room, I had
a high respect for guys we were dealing with, unless
those guys was like, hey, Sharon, that's cool, go ahead,
then I you a stand up and if you don't,
I'll be over there to deal with him. But look,
I'm gonna let you take a chance at it. I'm
gonna let you know what I mean, because I believe
in you. I respect your game, and if nothing else,
we can lean or over there and we can figure
(16:09):
it out. But I'm not gonna sit here and bump
you and diminish you and say, hey, you can't do this,
so let me go strap.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's not necessary, that's not what we need to do.
We can lean and figure that out.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I know, it's it's just always a tough thing
to navigate, especially two veteran guys, two guys who are
out for us, who've been number ones and so many things.
So it's it's cool that y'all able to have those
conversations and at least, you know, comes to some common
ground in a decent respect and an understanding because both
of y'all can do it.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Both y'all have done at a high level for a
long time. Yeah. Yeah, we got a lot of respect
for each other. Man. We had a conversation.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
We had one with Shoot with Mike T and just like, hey,
look he understood where we're at. You know, Shoot, they know,
you know, he know it comes with getting paid twenty
six million dollars a year. You know what I'm saying.
You know, so he ready for it. He always signed
up for He look forward to it every week. Shoot,
I look forward to that every week. Who if I line
up in front of me, my job is to, you know,
dominate this guy. Matter who it is, is a Tier one
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receiver or Tier five, it don't really matter, and I'm
ready to go and no question.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But that's another aspect of it that I think people
don't understand, just the whole sprinting on the other side
of the field, like from side to side.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
We ain't got to jog back like there was.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Sometimes we didn't even go back to the huddle because
it's like, hey, we.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Treated it like it was too bad. You don't hire
on a two minute you just be like whatever, we
don't figure this out. We figured this out.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Uh, That's how we played it a lot of times,
because it's just more effective. Like if somebody struggling, somebody
giving up some plays, earl step on the other side
that has I bet you don't unlost, unleash no go ball.
Now come over here and deal with me, and so
you know, there's other ways to navigate it. But I
think you guys get it figured out. You got Mike
T's too smart of a coach. You're two talented of
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a team. It's just a bump of the road that
I know is frustrating. How was the environment, because that's
a tough environment to play in, all the Seattle I
used to hate playing there.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
When it's still it's nothines anymore? What is it now?
Feel called it was hines Field back in the day. Yeah, yeah,
we look old it was a hospital. I still thought
it was. I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I'm like, yeah, maybe not be It's my than my
second time in the stadium playing for this team, so
in this organization, so I don't really know that now.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I barely know how to get there, a for sure
a for sure stadium, yeah hines Field. Yeah yeah, hey,
I better know how to get there. I'm still GPS.
And tell me how how that environment was?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Those fans, you know, the terrible towns, the history of
that place, man, it was.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Now that that I'm on the other side of it, right,
you know, they got that renegade on and man, look
I was on the you know, opponent's side at one
time listen to I'm like, dang, this is this is
crazy and now you feel you know what I'm saying.
Even though I felt the energy from you know, from them,
from being just from the way team, but on the
home team down that you hear it and it's like
and that's what really gets you coin you know what
(19:05):
I'm saying, Like I'm back where when it comes down
to third down or something like that, I might get
the we or something like that.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
For the defense, they got to renegade and they take.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
A long time, like they hold that clock like I
think it's like they might got some with the NFL,
because they they might.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
They didn't let the whole song.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Play out, Like I'm like, like it's like a TV
time out and you know they get to go on
them towers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Man, it was. It was a great environment. Man.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Fortunately, you know, we didn't get the dub that we
needed to for the city on our first home open
home game, but they bring the energy.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Man.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I never understood the terrible towers thing because I'm just looking,
but it's really just a yellow tower.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Why it's so terrible? You better be careful, be out
be caretful because I'm trying. I'm trying to understand the culture, man,
that's all it is. I'm just trying to say what
makes the tower the tower terrible? That's all I want
to know.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Like, well, in the comments Stiller fans, y'all make sure
y'all educate Big play.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Terrible.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, I just want to know the education because I
think needs some nice looking towers.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
That's what I'm thinking right on, some nice style. Yeah,
I'm just trying to figure out what is terrible. Y'all
got the Patriots in Jellette this week.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Talk about how y'all feeling, because it's it's definitely one
of those games where you felt like, hey, we had
a bounce back, we got to make a statement. They
played a good game against the Miami Dolphins, were able
to come out with a win against a division opponent.
Obviously there's some up and down play with Drake May,
but y'all gotta be feeling really really good about it.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, it's a good time for us to go out
here and you know, another chance to go out here
and perform play at a higher level, man, uh and
really set that expectations of what we need to be Man,
we got to make a stamp on something.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Man.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Definitely in all phases, run game, communication, the passing game,
you know, every every aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So we got a lot a lot to do. Man.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Thing that's probably been going great for us right now
is special team, you know, in a great way.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
You know, our kicker is not missing nothing. We have
guys that's making special teams.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Players from last week that helped us win the game
against the Jets, that the one turnover before then, and
then you know, special teams came up a little bit
big this week.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You know, we made to miss a field goal.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
So overall, man, I think the team for show gotta
go out here and just focused details and we gotta
be a lock.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Damn. We gotta send a message to the league. And
it's really like, I know this's not and it's they
are in that division, but not in the division. So
it's the AFC.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
So we got to go set the tone for this
team because it's some good teams in the AFC. Man,
for us to be one of them, we got to
go out here and dominate some guys.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, speaking of another AFC team, our guy Travis Hunter
was able to play eighty five snaps this week he
played I think thirty I don't get I gotta get
the exact numbers, but it was. It was a little
over forty two on offense. I think he played thirty
eight on defense. That's only that's adding up to eighty
nine eighty five. But yeah, that's what they telling us.
(21:53):
But he had three catches for twenty two yards, two tackles,
and two passes defended on thirty eight snaps on defense.
What did you think his game? Obviously, that pass and
inference was unfortunate. I don't see how you can cover
that much better. That's one of them calls where I'm like,
come to f on, like I'm playing both ways, doing
all this for the game. I cover the six three
(22:14):
t ten pounds receiver as well as I can back
the ball away, and y'all call that, like.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You can't call that right there in that spot, you can't.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Definitely on the fourth and five, I saw the hoigh
on the board man. Definitely four and five For a
young kid that you know that's trying to be who
he is. That's the number two pick of the draft,
So I'm just happy for him. They gave me more
reps on defense for show man, I want to see
in that and you see as the reps goes, his
production getting better, you know, definitely the two PBUs. So uh,
(22:42):
it's big for him, man, it's big. I like that
for him, man, And thankfully, like it's good to see
him on that defense. You know, I'm a defensive line
of guy, so I want to see him play that
corner and me too. He got and I'm glad he
got a good chance to go again some of the
best receivers in this league. And he continue to keep,
you know, showing sparks because like I said, we all
know he gets it in very versatile, so we want
to see him put that to use man, definitely on
(23:03):
that defensive side.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
But it's again just to talk about what we talked
about before, Like he played forty two STAPs to get
him three catches for twenty two yards, Like was it
worth it? Was it worth the energy of putting him
out there for forty two snaps for him to half
three catches for twenty two yards? Like you could do
that in twenty snaps, you could do that in fifteen,
Like you don't have to have him out there if
that's he got six targets, like you could have twenty
(23:24):
plays to every passing down he's out there and get
him his passes. But on defense, I thought he he
played really well. I thought that would have been such
an iconic play for him. If they don't call that
nonsense on him, because think about this, in another world,
he bats that, that's game, that's game. So Travis Hunter
playing both ways, makes an incredible play on defense to
(23:45):
save the game, to seal the win for the Jacksonville
Daguars that BS called just as a corner makes you mad, boy.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That would have been one of the biggest headlines as
a rookie this coming week too, just the fact they
played them snaps they'll have been talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Of course they're a man talking about his three for
twenty six catches about twenty six yards.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
But that play there would like say like, hey, Travis,
is this guy that we all thought he was definitely that,
But you know that's the red fault, man, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Like, especially in that play, like I can understand if
it's a gregious he grabbed him by the neck.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It wouldn't nothing crazy. He got his fight around, he
got his hand around and tapped the ball. The ball,
that's come on, man, And that's what they asked for.
That's what they asked for us to do.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Look, make sure you leaning Loki and turn your head
look for the ball before you can get a pi.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
But then when you look for the ball, and when
old Gregious holding, he wasn't no Egregious. They hand fighting.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So if you're gonna call that, then like the receiver
is putting his hands on him and he's putting his
hands back on the receiver. They're hand fighting. That's part
of the game. Like, is there a slight restriction, I'm sure.
Are there push off from receivers? I'm sure? But those
are the plays that hey, on a fourth and five
for the game. You gotta let him.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Play's gotta be outrageous. It gotta be outrageous. I mean, yeah,
is it?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I mean, I am hey, I'm just just because I like,
that's my little homies. So I'm like hot about it
because the fact that like that could have been a
real sennature play to get his like start off his
career when they be like maybe the first time Travis
Hunt made a big time stop. He's been doing this
since a rookie year, you know, early earlier. He started
off earlier like so that's what I'm blowing about. But
(25:30):
I'm sure he's gonna have way more opportunities, you know,
to make some type of plays.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And I'm waiting for his first pick.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
So I didn't know, see what you do with that rock,
but uh, you know you don't do something crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I'm almost more frustrated because I know if he makes
that play and seals the game, it's gonna put something
in the.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Back of his head about like, hey, maybe y'all go dB.
Yes you are a dB.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yes, yes, come join us, Come join us, man, come
join us, Come on, come on over there. You know
you want to you know you want to get in
that little pedal. You know you want to speed turning out.
I know, I know, I know scoring touchdowns it's smooth.
I know I wish I could too in the league
you're doing. But you just need twenty twenty five stamps.
Y'all guaranteed six targets a game.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
We're good to go. Come home and go ahead with
his island so you can come over and join that
DP world. He want to be over here with us,
right what you want to be You want to be
over here? Because that's gonna allow you to reach the principice.
It's gonna reach the heights you can reach. Oh yeah,
you gonna be that. Yeah, he gonna be that time
that he got.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Man, he could be in that serious goat conversation one
these days if he continue to keep growing as a
player every year. Man, God forbid injury free years and
good stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So man, come on, steels his poised, his field like
he's right there, and then you know, you give up
that play to to Jamar Chase on the on the curl.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
But I mean this is Damar Chase. Yeah, I mean
that's his lipper. You got a lift for that living
be in them conversations that he.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Know he want to be in the only type of
matchups you gotta go dominate and win. I know they
gonna come though, they gonna come.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Come, and he's just a rookie. But I just wanted
to keep getting more snaps. I like that what they're
doing with him. I just wish they flip the numbers
the way I need him to flip because you're wasting
a lot of energy on forty two snaps to get
six targets. So that mean I mean what the other
thirty six plays you wasn't You was just out there
twiddling your thumbs getting conditioning, Like we don't need that.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Hey, the receivers call it cutting grass. Cutting grass.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Receivers call it. I can find they cutting the grass man.
I'm not head just cutting grass like that. The thing
was to tell me, boy, they like, I'm just cutting
his grass.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Man, I'm just runn up and down this field and
coming back. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, they got a we got a question from the fans,
big play. They said, who is your best corner of
all time? Now, before we go too deep in this
and go down the rabbit hole, we got under you
can't forget about Mel Blunt and Mike Haynes and yeah,
Lester Hayes and Darryl Green and you got Champ and
and like there's a lot of guys in there that
(28:04):
that that you know, could throw the at in the ring.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, my goat of all goats right now, I ain't
go my goat. It's as far as Champ, you know. Uh,
He's he's from around the corner down the street from
front Man.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Everybody wanted to be like Champ where I'm at and
you know.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
So uh, that's that's always been the goat man. I
wanted to go to Georgia because he went to Georgia.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
All that I wore, he wore him before I wanted
him a foe, you know, and that's what I wore
for in high school. So like I always wanted to
be like Champ because that's just like who would go
be the next champ come up? So I did get
that kind of recognized recognization as in, like slave, I
got a chance to be the next champ around here
right now, so I had to I had.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
To scale up there. So I'm feeling good.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
So uh, and you know, of course, you know he's
you know, first Battle of Hall of Fame, had an
amazing career in college facing that, so I know. But
coming through high school, I was getting that kind of
like love as in, like, okay, we finally guys another
down South guy that's kind of like a champ because
he he was magnificent man. Everybody tried to do everything.
They make everything, and I played corner because of him everything.
(29:11):
So Chapman goat always.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And then he panned out the way I want him
to pan out in the league. Shuld I love it,
I love yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I mean at that ten pick year he had was
wild too, Like, I don't think he pople talking about
that enough. At ten pick year Champ had, Boy, he
was out there playing some football football man.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
That's what we saying.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
You know, you know, everybody know who to get. You know,
got Deanna as the goat. Well, I'm just saying, like
Champ definitely close to that conversation.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Got let me, let me get his numbers, because I
don't want to. I don't want to Champ up that.
I think Chap got like what he like, fifty fifty
five pick maybe, don't worry, don't worry, be right here
for you in a second. Give me, give me two seconds,
give me in two seconds. Letting Barney, it's nineteen forty.
(30:00):
Let's see nineteen forty. No, I'm going all the way back.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I mean, I know Champai yeah, Bailey fifty two interceptions,
fifty two on New Year, Dion fifty three, Yah Long
fifty three, Aneas Williams fifty five mm.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Paul Kraus got eighty one. See but they they told
they just switched it five to eighty one.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
No, that because I just went to the top because
they were saying, Dick Knight tran Lane was up there
for a while. They be playing you know what I mean,
They be fluctuating these numbers because these numbers looked different before,
because they got Night trained Lane at sixty eight now
and Rob wits Woodson at.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Seventy one and Emmelyn Tunnel at seventy nine. God, oh
what that's that's when the game was different.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
That's why fans are like, yeah, you guys don't get
as many interceptions anymore because it's a different game. Like
quarterbacks were out there first off, concussed barely up from
down the hit. They're under the rest and they're not worried.
They weren't worried about interceptions back then, they weren't seeing
the way we see them now. It wasn't like, oh,
quarterback throws four interceptions, they're the worst quarterback in the world.
(31:04):
It's like, hey, just win the game. And so the whole,
the whole way football was looked at was different. Now
everything is efficiency, Like, hey, you throw two picks in
a game, you're the worst quarterback in the world.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
So quarterbacks are are risk averse.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
That's why you're not getting at thirteen fourteen interceptions, gonna
lead the league. Back in the day you had twenty
twenty five interceptions. Easy, Brett Farve got the most interceptions
in the history of the game. He even throwing them out,
giving them out like hotcakes. And so I wish we
played in there in an era where they weren't treating
quarterbacks like, hey, man, if you throw a few interceptions, look, don't, don't.
(31:36):
Don't treat them so bad, because like them throw a
couple to me and let me feed my family. But
you know it, quarterbacks, or rather eat the ball or
throw it out of bells or make it uncatchable than
to throw you a buck.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I'm trying to tell you, boy, because Devi with bread
fall throwing what the most lever boy, that boy was like.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
What how they was in long yard. He's like, ugh,
uh the MEC tickets for everybody to throw the man.
Well boy god Lee yeah. Man, But father, that's why
I be telling folks when we'll be always talking.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
About this version of football and that version of football.
That version of football was really strictly about winning, like
it was really about that. It was not about no
stacks about if he do for three hundred yards and dada.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
This year.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Ever, it's all about numbers. Everybody want to bring in numbers, numbers,
the numbers that his numbers did. Number that numbers do
womans do taking effect. But like when it comes down
to big like he threw three hundred and thirty six.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Come on, what that?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That's a lot The next closest person at two seventy
seven three hundred what thirty six?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
And I can only imagine how many games he played.
I know he didn't play that.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
He probably what it is in his sption percentage is
only three point three percent, so it was a lot.
He played a lot of games because George Blander was
six point nine and John Handl was five point seven
in Vinnie Testaverdi through two undred and sixty seven, but
it was only four percent of the passes he threw.
So yeah, yeah, three thirty six.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
God dang four hundred that dan that then to.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Pick a game, now what I'm saying like if they
was feeding like that when we played, I forget a
fifty piece. But that's that's what people don't appreciate about
how hard it is to get interceptions in this day
and age of all this efficiency and and all this,
you know, I mean, all these eyes on it, quarterbacks
aren't going to do it. If they don't have to
do it. You gotta hunt for him. Yeah, you gotta
(33:37):
hunt for him. And the quarterbacks aren't concussed. They as
comfortable as they We was talking to Jared Goff, or
I was talking to a big wit, and he said
Jared Goff was telling him someday some games, he's not
even sore after the game because they're not getting hit
like that no more. I mean, they got a great
offensive line, but I mean, I'm sorry, they take enough
sacks they gonna feel sore. But it's a different game.
And that's why the old school quarterbacks talk about it.
It's so soft because they had to play under such duress.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, I mean talking about really getting hit and then
you might pop up really with a fully full blown cercussion.
If you go to that saline, you're gonna fell it today.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
That's second.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
But look, I got twenty eight and I know for
a fact or if I played in nineteen sixty seventy eighty, shit,
I'm having fifty.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Of them get media.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, with you playing at about sixty seventy, I do
i'ld have got be about fifty.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I would have been on over that water every year, like,
let me get a car. I ain't dropping too many
of these books now.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Not And then they and they wasn't so bad about
the game back then. It wouldn't know it was that
much crazy rock combinations, man, that they would have been.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
No. Man, you already was picking all the fae ball. Look.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I saw see some of them more outs from back
of the day, and I love them dudes because they
could play.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
But it just was different the Christmas wasn't you know
what I mean? It didn't need to be. Yeah, I
mean they that's it's a different game.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
But it's a very different game for show. But it's
all respect from guys tho they asked. And how deep
was the Hardball Carrol rivalry? Understand this, y'all can look
this quote up.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
When Pete Carroll was asked did he have anything fond
to say this week about Jim R. Ball, he said, no,
I have no fond memories of him. That's how that
rivalry goes. Look, Jim has changed over the years. Jim
has gotten a lot better and and and more peaceful more,
you know what I mean. Cordial, but he felt that
(35:27):
way too about the rivalry for a while, at least
while we were at Stanford. I think over the years,
you know, if by Gones or by Gones, he's let
a lot of things go that Pete. I don't know
if he's letting go. But I'm interested to watch this
game tonight because that's gonna be a dogfight. But I
don't think there's any love lost or love found between
them two big play.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Hey, I know it ain't by That's crazy though, that
you play for both of them, So it's like that's
almost asking you a question. I don't even want to
put you in that tough bond act, but I ain't
gonna put you in that tough bond.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I didn't play. I didn't
play for both of them a couple different times. I
know that's what I'm saying. So I'm like, I go
put you that body. But I know, boy, that gonna
be so damn.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
And for real though, how Pete be looking and how
he'd be running a bit at it. He might be
the most in shape man I ever seen in my
life at that age, but he might be ready to.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Box some two if he ready. Yeah, yeah, he definitely
look he gonna be in shape for it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He gonna he maximizing that what seventy three, seventy four
year old body he got.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Man, I'm telling you, I ain't never seen I'll be
seeing them doing push us. I'll be seeing them running
up and down the field, springing, throwing the ball, playing
quarterback with the team. I know he be throwing ducks
out there, but he's still throwing that back way.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
He's way, he's way, the best quarterback to ever play.
But I appreciate your big play for joining us.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I know this is your off thing coming up, and
you got things to do, people to see, places to be.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
As always, it's all love, brother, all love. Are you
already know what timing is?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yes, sir, yes, sir. Appreciate you guys joining us too.
You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here
with me and my guy. Big play and we appreciate that.
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