September 20, 2025 • 31 mins
Where Colin was right and where he was wrong over the weekend
He ranks the top 10 teams in the NFL after week 2 and defends leaving the Chiefs off the Herd Hierarchy.
Plus, Nick Wright from First Things First joins the show to discuss the Chiefs 0-2 start and why the Eagles should be concerned about wide receiver AJ Brown
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hour two. It is a Monday.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's The Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're live in Chicago tonight, Monday Night Football. I think
the Raiders and Chargers is gonna be really interesting. I
think it's close. Kansas City gets a break. Denver gave
a game away and either the Raiders or the Chargers
are losing tonight. So a little bit of a break
for the Kansas City Chiefs, who have been the reigning
dynasty in this league. But we got young quarterbacks struggling
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the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
What are they? Jmac?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What a fun, fun weekend. It was like college football weekend.
Chicago is losing patients fast with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, kind of like Clemson's losing faith quickly in their coach.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
We gotta get to that on Wednesday with Clatt if
he drops.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
By, here we go Colin Wright, Colin wrong on a Monday,
plenty of both.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Let's begin where Colin was right. Well, the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
We predicted that they would be thin offensively, and they
may make the playoffs, but it will only be as
a wild card team.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
They're just not as explosive.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Some of that is the Rashi Rice suspension and that
Xavier Worthy injury. I think they will get better offensively,
but Travis Kelsey's last two weeks he heard a teammate
and then dropped that Cats, which became almost a pick six.
They cannot run the ball. The Holmes, as I said earlier,
is like keeping the lights on in this shopping mall.
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He's the only thing that's working. So we called this regression.
You probably called it too. Where Colin was wrong. I
didn't think Caleb Williams was necessarily going to be a superstar.
I didn't think it would look like this. His passer
rating now is lower than Spencer Rattler. And we know
it's not Ben Johnson because his first two opening drives
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he's two for two or two touchdowns. So when he's
on script, he's been excellent, but ad libs too much,
holds the ball too long, which is a problem for
some young quarterbacks, and then too often just throws it
to nobody. It is much worse than I would have thought.
Where Colin was right, I said, Aaron Rodgers to the
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Steelers will look like a glossier version of Aaron Rodgers
to the Jets.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
They won't be able to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It'll be a team that makes mistakes and loses games
they should win. And the defense, though expensive, won't be
as dominant as you think it could be. And oh yeah,
Aaron after the game, just like he didn't, York is
already calling out teammates.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Cayle's the best kid ever.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
But he probably should have just stayed in the flat
there he knows it, I mean, or he was kind
of stealing it from Pat, or just catch you put
it away, score a touchdown. But Col's the best kid,
and you know it sucks because he's such a great kid.
But unfortunately that whole sequence, you know, took points off
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the board.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, okay, where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I had Denver winning the AFC West. They were sloppy
against Tennessee. They gave the game away against Indianapolis. Daniel
Jones carved them up.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
They have really bad, dumb penalties, a lot of self
inflicted mistakes. You know, I love bo Nicks, but his
interception in the fourth quarter, they could have sealed the
game with a touchdown there. And again there were just
gassed defensively. And the Colts have talent Warren and Pittman
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and Pearce and Jonathan Taylor. The Colts have talent, especially
on offense. But I Denver has not looked good through
two weeks where.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
When I put green Bay number one of my herd higherarchy,
people said, how can you do that? They're not that good.
You're overreacting. Then they went out two nights later and
crushed the Washington Commanders. Green Bay is absolutely the most
complete team in the league. Yes, better than Philadelphia because
they've got better and deeper young tight end and wide
receiver talent. Micah found a perfect team. They have depth,
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they have the quarterback. I think green Bay defensively, this
is the best Packer defense and certainly the most aggressive
I can remember seeing where Colin was raw the Texas Longhorns.
I had them in the National Championship against Penn State
and they are struggling offensively arch Manning and this offense
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is unwatchable. They could not put u TEP away. Now
they're missing a couple of receivers and a couple of
running backs. They've got injuries, but I mean, who are
we kidting here? UTEP doesn't have a player that Texas
would recruit, and they've got the biggest nil cachet in
the business. I don't know if it's mechanics or confidence,
but arch Manning is officially.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Off where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Mike McDaniel oh and two job in jeopardy, and I
think both Chris Jear the GM, Chris Greer the GM,
and Mike McDaniel probably need to be replaced. The roster
isn't good. The O lines a perpetual problem. I mean again,
special teams were even bad against the Patriots. The cultures wrecked.
The Bills are up next on Thursday Night Football, so
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presumably they're oh and three. From the very beginning, I
questioned if it was all about the sizzle and was
I getting any stake, And as of today, I don't
think I am where Colin was right. Football feels dead
when Nico im Aliava transferred from Tennessee. I said, what
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are you doing? Tennessee's a football factory. They got NFL
dudes everywhere. You don't transfer out of Tennessee to UCLA.
That's a huge mistake. And it was again. I'm not
saying Tennessee is Georgia, but Tennessee is a football factory.
They care, they're committed. UCLA's football nil is at the
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very bottom of the Big ten. So it's a cautionary tale.
I feel terrible for the kid. I think he got
bad advice. I think he's really talented, but getting routed
by New Mexico and if you watch the game, it
could have been worse.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
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Speaker 2 (07:25):
Heard Hierarchy time.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Now, let's go the top ten NFL teams according to
College Number ten.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I think the Indianapolis Colts have a much better roster
than people want to admit. They've already got a star
in Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman Pierce offensive line
controlled the NFL leading team in sacks Denver. Denver could
not get the Daniel Jones first team in NFL history.
They went ten for ten first ten possession. I've been
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on this for two years. I think they have an
excellent roster. They've drafted incredibly well. I like their players.
If Jones plays at this B to B plus level,
they're going to win this division. Colts at ten, number
nine Commanders now played Packers Thursday. They're going to be
fine because Terry McLaurin held out Jaden Daniels and they're
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one of six teams without a giveaway this season. Like
last year, they're very efficient. They don't give it away.
They just haven't been able to get the offense right
because McLaurin was a holdout.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, now off.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
The Packer loss, they get extra time Deebo and McLaurin.
They play the Raiders, who just lost at home. I
think Washington, I'm a buyer here is going to this
week look like the Washington of last year.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I like them.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
They're the oldest team in the league. They've got veteran leadership.
I like Washington at nine, number eight. I got to
give the forty nine ers credit. They're not even healthy.
Top ten in total offense, top ten in total defense,
two to zero, both wins on the road. That accounts
for something. They've been great on third down, one of
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the two teams picking up first downs at over a
fifty percent rate. And again Brandon Nyuk's hurt, George Kittle,
Brock Purty, Christian McCaffrey leads the NFL in touches right now.
So I'm always impressed when you can deal with injuries,
go on the road and win, I don't care who
you play.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Niners at eight, number seven, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Again, they haven't played great football, but they've won two
road games, and dating back to last season, they've won
eight of their last nine regular season games. Baker Mayfield
since he arrived, leads the NFL in touchdown passes, second
in passing yard since twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And last night was classic.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They got a punt block, Their special teams were a mess,
and they go on the road and win and so
and they haven't had Tristan Wirfs, they haven't had Chris Godwin.
So just like Washington, just like some of these teams
in front, when you can win and you don't have
tell me your best players, like San Francisco and Tampa,
you're making the hurt hierarchy Number six. Maybe I have
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them too low. I'd put the Chargers. I do wonder
if Hampton and Najie Harris when they're gonna pop. Joe
Alt's been great moving over to left tackle. But let's
be honest about the Chargers right now. Yeah, their offense
hasn't played well, and they've beaten the Chiefs, and they've
gone on the road and beaten the Raiders. Justin Herbert
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under Jim Harbaugh, thirty touchdowns and three picks. They don't
have a lot of sizzle. But Quinton Johnson emerging is
a non bust and actually a legitimate deep threat. Matters
a lot. Number five the Ravens. I worry about the
back end of their defense. But Lamar Jackson seven touchdowns,
no picks in a passer rating of one hundred and
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thirty six. I compared them last hour to those great
Atlanta Brave teams that won a World Series. You can
just pencil them in to win their division. The GM,
the coach, the owner, all great across the board. Now
their pass defense is going to bite them in that
you know what at some point this year. But through
two weeks, best offense in the league.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Number four the Bills.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I worry about the back end of their defense, which
actually looks slow, but they're averaging thirty five and a
half points a game, Number one total offense in the league.
They actually run the football more than people give them
credit for. James Cook is really good. And their schedule
is Tomato Cams, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots coming up like Brady.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
In this division.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
They're going to win it as long as Josh Allen's
in his prime. But I again worry about the back
end of this defense because in the AFC there's too
many good quarterbacks. The Chiefs are going to get healthy.
These games are going to be close number three the Rams.
Their pass rush is insane, highest graded offense, highest gradded
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passer in Matt Stafford. Again, this team least penalized in
the NFL last year, and their defense was the youngest
from six different players. I couldn't even tell you the
last time they missed on a defensive draft pick. So
I mean they're zero to two against the Eagles, nine
to zero against everybody else in their last eleven games.
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I have the Rams at three, number two Philadelphia. Their
passing game worries me. I mean they're the first team
to go to and Oh to start a season without
a passing touchdown in twenty five years. So Jalen hurts.
I mean AJ Brown has six catches for about thirty
five yards, So I don't know how that's gonna work out.
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And you know, it almost feels like now more often
than not, they're reliant on the toush push, but they're
not playing offensively with a lot of tempo, and they
don't they don't create fear. They just sort of squish
you for three and a half hours. I have them
at two number one.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I don't think Green Bay as a flaw. I think
the cake was really good, and then you added the
icing and Micah Parsons coach quarterback run game. Nobody in
the league drafts tight ends and wide receivers better than
green Bay. They're stacked and they're not paying any of them.
So I think green Bay is by far and away
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right now the best team in the league. I have
Kansas City at eleven. I have Denver troubling. They've been
sloppy at twelve again. I think the Chiefs will start
winning games now Xavier Worthy comes back. But I couldn't
say the last time the Chiefs were not in are
heard hierarchyment.
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by didn't like that Colts pick.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
It's bad. You mean you know, I mean, you're right, Colin,
I don't like. I don't like when you do bad things.
I have so much respect for you that, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I saw that.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
You know what it reminded me of and you talking
about their roster and Daniel Jones heard Hierarchy twenty twenty four,
Week three have you seen the Saints and Derek Carr
start two and zho Alvin Kamar looks like young Alvic
Kamara soft division look out.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
For New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
I don't know if they've won a game since then.
I'm not saying that's what's going to happen to the Colts,
but it feels very Saints have the best open to
a season and franchise history.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Ish I do want.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
But and listen, the Chiefs right now don't deserve if
it's based purely on this season, lean out of the
top ten.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
That's fine, And I think.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
It's what you're right, and I think what you're saying
is correct, which is they if this were a team's
most likely to win the Super Bowl ranking, they would
be firmly in the top ten. But it's where they
are right now, so I'm fine with that. I would
like if I may to spend a moment on the Niners,
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because for you and I, it's really been a fun
last fifteen months watching the Niners, because you you know,
folks like you and I were like, hey, Jimmy Garoppolo's fine,
probably not the bus driver there, and folks are like,
look at his winning percentage and then he leaves there
and he's a career back up, and then rock Perty
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comes in and we're like, yeah, Brockberty's fine, but he's
not really the lead actor of the movie. Books like, hey,
he left the Super Bowl field with a lead what
do you give.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
The manage respect? He deserves his fifty million?
Speaker 6 (15:41):
And then you and I were like, well, maybe if
he didn't have all his weapons doing me quite as good.
And then last year he doesn't and they win five games.
And then this year it's like, what if you replace
rock Perty with a guy everyone agrees can't play?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
How would that guy look?
Speaker 6 (15:57):
And that guy who's the best game he's played in
three And now those same people are staring down the
barrel of am I gonna have to make the argument
that Mac Jones actually is great?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Or am I gonna have to fold my hand?
Speaker 6 (16:11):
And you know what they are looking at Mac Jones
rookie year, Pro Bowl or ten wins. Maybe it's just
you know, it took a while to ripen. So I
think the Niners Shanahan deserves a lot of bready for
what he's done.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Thus far this season. I do it? Can I ask
you one charger question? And then I'll give you a showback. Yeah,
I Am. The thing I've liked.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
The least about the Chiefs start to their year is
how much Patrick is running. He saves that for the
playoffs he gets, and now he's getting.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
I don't love that. He feels like he has to. Man.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
I feel like they are putting Herbert in jeopardy early
and often, and I don't love that.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
And late last.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Night, when the game is wrapped up, they call a
quarterback designed run like I think he is playing the
best ball of his.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Life, without question. I don't love.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Them spending a first round pick on a running back
and justin Herbert's leading them in rushing.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
I don't love that.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
No, And I think they've felt a receiver shy for three,
four or five years, and Keenan Allen has been. But
you know, Keenan's not going to play seventeen weeks. He won't.
He'll get banged up. So I just said this before
in last hour. I don't know what Nause, Harris and
Hampton become, but it's got to be better than this.
If you want to in the AFC, it's got to
be better than this. I would say this. I started
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my show saying this. It's years ago. A couple years ago,
I offered Baker to podcast at the Volume and he
said no. But Colin and I are frenemies. Were all
good and so much of what I see with Ben
Johnson and Caleb, which is two talented people that don't fit.
Baker is perfect in Tampa because Cleveland was all Hugh
Jackson and Greg Williams and the bitter Cleveland media and
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he goes to sleepy Tampa and right now there is
no argument's top seven, eight, nine quarterback in the league,
and I think Tampa is a It's the perfect marriage,
right like it just no pressure.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
The media is helpful, they're not bitter. What do you
make of what you're watching?
Speaker 7 (18:14):
All right? So a few things.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
One is maybe take another run at Baker with the
pod now that I'm part of the Volume team. Unlike
you guys, Baker and Iron frenemies, we're just actual friends.
I'd even be maybe you wanting to do an extra
pod a week if Bake shows doing it with me.
So we should talk about that. As far as your
top seven or eight right over the last two years, Colin, well,
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a year and two weeks since the beginning of last season.
He is top three or four in the NFL in
everything in yards, in touchdowns, and rating and completion percentage.
Right now, Colin, if you were to do an MVP list,
he justin Herbert and Lamar in some order or another,
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probably the top three. And I think Tampa has a
real shot at and listen, I picked Tampa to go
to the super Bowl in large part because I thought
they could have the number one seed. I think Philly
and Green Bays divisions are so much tougher than what
Baker's gonna be dealing with.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
I think they could have an.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Extraordinary season and starting the year two games on the road,
two games trailing late, two games game winning drives. That's
pretty special. Now to your point about Cleveland, I think
Cleveland could have been perfect for him, and the fact
like Cleveland was, his ruggedness and trash talking and all
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of it should have fit Cleveland. But the Browns, in
their infinite wisdom, saw a player.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
They drafted number one overall.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Win a playoff game for the Cleveland Browns in year three,
then almost upset the Chiefs in Arrowhead to go to
the title game. Yeah, and a year later because Odell's
dad put out a mixtape of misthrows. They were like,
we can do better. It's one of the biggest missteps
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any team has made in the most important position in decades.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
You drafted the kid number one overall.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
He sets the rookie record for touchdown passes after you
had gone one and thirty one the two years before
he got there. Year three, he's winning a playoff game
against Pittsburgh and you're done with him. It was bananas
what happened. And I'm so glad he is now establishing
himself and now staring at this coming off season one
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of those fifty five million dollars a year contracts, because
at the moment he's one of the two best bargains.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
And olds in the whole sport.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, and I was saying this morning, there's ten two
and oh teams and ten ozho to two teams, and
most of the oh and two teams are the teams
that every April lead the draft, take the Chiefs out.
They'll make the playoffs. They're going to be fine. I
think they're fine. And I also think Houston's okay. They
just can't run block and CJ. Stroud's running for his life.
So they Colts look better, blah blah blah. But I
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do think there's a truth about the NFL with a
hard cap, that ownership matters, GMS matter. And I look
at the Chicago Bears and I said this yesterday. Wonderful
people get divorced and find their perfect mate. It doesn't
mean they're bad people, but fit is important. And Ben
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Johnson is a timing structure coach and Caleb is terrific
in opening drives and then he starts freelancing and.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
It doesn't look like it fits.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It doesn't mean Caleb couldn't work with Andy Reid, but
I watched this Chicago thing and I'm like, guys, it's
not the coaching because on script, the two opening drives
have been remarkable. But Caleb is just too talented. There's
too much horsepower, you know, to put him in a box. Nick,
I don't think it works. I don't think Ben and
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Caleb works.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
So I here is my pushback on that one.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Is even and I.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Saw your really great and I say that sincerely, really
great spot with Tom Brady last week when you mentioned
that your new kind of line of demarcation is Thanksgiving
year two and that you've sped it up from where
you were previously. Even by that kind of expedited process,
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we're not there yet with Caleb. We're certainly not there
yet with Caleb and Ben, who have two games together.
My other pushback to what would be Ben Johnson picked
the Bears because of Caleb, so he must think that.
I mean, he obviously watched Caleb, knew who he was
as a player, and said, yes, that's where I want
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to go. So I think you are being a little
hasty in that regard that this won't work. I do
think work in progress is correct. I also must tell
you I feel personally a little silly dissecting Caleb Williams
when right above his name on the bar it says
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the Bears allowed fifty two points to the Lions. I
do think that probably was the bigger problem on Sunday
than Caleb freelancing a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I said this is that if I used an example
of a young attorney goes to a law firm in
your hometown of Kansas City. He's ivy league, he's sharp,
but it's an old law firm with established partners, and
after about three years he's like, guys, I'm not getting
any cases. I'm going to go to another law firm.
Everybody in the law firm would be like, totally get it.
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Even the partners totally get it. When Jalen Brunton leaves
the Mavericks, he likes, I need the ball in my hands, Guys,
I need shots. Everybody's like, yeah, of course he does.
Luke is the better player. But AJ Brown plays Tennessee
the most run centric team, Philadelphia even more run centric.
He's a top three receiver. Arguably, he's an NBA player
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that can't get any shots. But yet in the NFL,
which is all about the shield and unity and fun
of the coach, it's like a guy can't ask for
a trade. I would totally support Aj Brown if he
just said, guys, I love you. I got five catches
for thirty yards. This is a terrible fit. Go throw
to Devonte Am I.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Wrong on this.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
No, and I so a couple things. One is and
you should I'll email it to if you want, because
if this I hadn't heard you make this point. AJ
Brown told us as much. Days after the Super Bowl.
He posted an Instagram photo talking about how and then
he wrote in the caption, and I'm paraphrasing, but about
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how the satisfaction of the Super Bowl lasted two days.
And then he said, and again I'm paraphrasing, but it's
almost a direct quote where I get my love for
the game is demoralizing a defensive back, is showing my excellence.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
He told us that's who he.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Is, and that's part of the reason he's become so
great that while winning is fun, what he plays for
is you know, dominating his matchup. And I happen to
think that if Ceedee Lamb catches a ball, and if
Travis Kelce catches a ball, and the Eagles, instead of
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being two and zero, are either zero to two or
even one and one. This is already a huge story
in Philadelphia because the fact of the matter is their
passing game, which remember last year when they were already
on a nine game winning streak. AJ Brown after the
Carolina game said we need to improve on passing. That
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then led to you know, the Jalen's big game against
the Steelers, aj Reidan on the sideline, all of it,
the whole thing. They were in the it's the they
hadn't lost in months.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
He was frustrated.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Now he's getting less targets, less opportunity at any point
in his career because they haven't lost.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
I think it is at a simmer.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
It will absolutely be at a full boil if they
play this style on Sunday and the Rams beat them.
And what I do think is noteworthy is unlike last
year when Saquon was in route to two thousand yards
and they were blowing people out. The Eagles deserve credit
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for getting those wins. But it's not as if if
AJ said, hey, we can be better on offense, he
would be wrong. Their offense had. Their best offensive play
has been Jalen hurd scrambles and the tush push where
the entire team lines up off sides and the guards
false start. But the NFL allows it like they have
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not been prolific right now. And I don't wouldn't thrush.
I wouldn't mind of AJ or blame AJ if you
were frustrated.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, finally, I said this yesterday Joe Burrow. It gets
hurt a lot, and you can blame the ownership in
the old line, but Justin Fields gets hurt a lot,
and Justin Fields puts himself in harm way. Now Josh
Allen can get away with it. But I watched Big
Ben and Cam Newton huge man six five, two sixty.
I watched them age overnight why they took shots, and
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I watched Joe Burrow. It's like, Joe, you're you've got
a normal frame. It's a six two and a half
ish two twenty five man. I'm just saying it is
also in coming. I watched Eli Manning literally drop throw
it away, pre snap reads, get out of hits is correct?
Speaker 7 (27:47):
This is Burrow.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah, So this is tricky because listen, it's primarily on
the Bengals. That offensive line's been bad for five years.
It's there's the but Burrow is so I'm so it's
so interesting you said big Ben because I evoked him
in this same discussion yesterday, but for a slightly different
reason last year, right, take the Chiefs with Patrick. The
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offensive line is a mess, and Patrick but grudgingly he's like, Okay,
I guess it's going to be bang bang, bang out,
dunk and dunk, and you know I'm going to get
rid of the ball. Burrow is so intent and so
excellent at what I called yesterday big game hunting that
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he is. In week one and in week two, before
the injury, he was getting the snot kicked out of him, Colin,
And it wasn't like immediate pressure. It was he could
have checked it down, he could have thrown away. He's
trying to hunt the big play, which you know he
had five thousand yards unbelievable year. Last year, you know,
(28:56):
got MVP vospite missing the playoffs, so he was rewarded
for it. But it wasn't shocking to me he got hurt.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
It was sad.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
It makes you worried about him, but sometimes you have
to protect yourself in different ways. And I the reason
I mentioned big Ben is in the pocket, Colin. He
plays a lot like Ben did, which is there might
be people at my feet, I'm staying there. I'm gonna
shake you off. But Big Ben was called Big Ben
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because he was six five and a half, huge and.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Impossible to bring down.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Burrow playing this style is just risky, and it's it again.
It feels almost like victim blame me, but your point
is correct you if you're Joe Burrow, you know if
I get hurt, the team is absolutely ruined. If we
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don't hit this third and eight, we can recover from it.
And it's a shame that he now is where I'll
leave it, Colin. He is likely going to hold a
record that no one else will ever come close to
and that no one else wants, which is next year
he likely becomes the NFL's first ever three times Comeback
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Player of the Year winner.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
And you don't want that.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
And it's a shame for Joe because he's such a
great player.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, he's like a ten million dollar chandelier in an
empty mansion. They have no run game, so he's always
throwing on third and long. They don't protect him, they
got they don't spend money on defense, so he's only
able to win shootouts. You know, mahomes can win low
scoring games. I mean, they're tied with the Eagles ten
tens a half. But there is something to be said
(30:43):
about And again it's I'm not saying maybe it's eighty
twenty on the Bengals, but when guys there's something hurt,
there's something.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Going to give your producers one other job real quick.
You just said ten million dollars chandelier. There's a great
meme that described that it's a Lamborghini parked in front
of a traphouse. Throw that on the screen for Colin
at some point he'll like it.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Because that's what the Bengals built.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Burrow Chase Higgins is as nice of a trio as
you get everything else, as you know, leaky faucets and
cracked foundations.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
It's no good.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Good to see you, bro, all right, Nick right, great stuff,
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It's The Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're live in Chicago tonight, Monday Night Football. I think
the Raiders and Chargers is gonna be really interesting. I
think it's close. Kansas City gets a break. Denver gave
a game away and either the Raiders or the Chargers
are losing tonight. So a little bit of a break
for the Kansas City Chiefs, who have been the reigning
dynasty in this league. But we got young quarterbacks struggling
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the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
What are they? Jmac?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What a fun, fun weekend. It was like college football weekend.
Chicago is losing patients fast with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, kind of like Clemson's losing faith quickly in their coach.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
We gotta get to that on Wednesday with Clatt if
he drops.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
By, here we go Colin Wright, Colin wrong on a Monday,
plenty of both.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Let's begin where Colin was right. Well, the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
We predicted that they would be thin offensively, and they
may make the playoffs, but it will only be as
a wild card team.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
They're just not as explosive.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Some of that is the Rashi Rice suspension and that
Xavier Worthy injury. I think they will get better offensively,
but Travis Kelsey's last two weeks he heard a teammate
and then dropped that Cats, which became almost a pick six.
They cannot run the ball. The Holmes, as I said earlier,
is like keeping the lights on in this shopping mall.
(01:54):
He's the only thing that's working. So we called this regression.
You probably called it too. Where Colin was wrong. I
didn't think Caleb Williams was necessarily going to be a superstar.
I didn't think it would look like this. His passer
rating now is lower than Spencer Rattler. And we know
it's not Ben Johnson because his first two opening drives
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he's two for two or two touchdowns. So when he's
on script, he's been excellent, but ad libs too much,
holds the ball too long, which is a problem for
some young quarterbacks, and then too often just throws it
to nobody. It is much worse than I would have thought.
Where Colin was right, I said, Aaron Rodgers to the
(02:39):
Steelers will look like a glossier version of Aaron Rodgers
to the Jets.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
They won't be able to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It'll be a team that makes mistakes and loses games
they should win. And the defense, though expensive, won't be
as dominant as you think it could be. And oh yeah,
Aaron after the game, just like he didn't, York is
already calling out teammates.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Cayle's the best kid ever.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
But he probably should have just stayed in the flat
there he knows it, I mean, or he was kind
of stealing it from Pat, or just catch you put
it away, score a touchdown. But Col's the best kid,
and you know it sucks because he's such a great kid.
But unfortunately that whole sequence, you know, took points off
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the board.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, okay, where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I had Denver winning the AFC West. They were sloppy
against Tennessee. They gave the game away against Indianapolis. Daniel
Jones carved them up.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
They have really bad, dumb penalties, a lot of self
inflicted mistakes. You know, I love bo Nicks, but his
interception in the fourth quarter, they could have sealed the
game with a touchdown there. And again there were just
gassed defensively. And the Colts have talent Warren and Pittman
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and Pearce and Jonathan Taylor. The Colts have talent, especially
on offense. But I Denver has not looked good through
two weeks where.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
When I put green Bay number one of my herd higherarchy,
people said, how can you do that? They're not that good.
You're overreacting. Then they went out two nights later and
crushed the Washington Commanders. Green Bay is absolutely the most
complete team in the league. Yes, better than Philadelphia because
they've got better and deeper young tight end and wide
receiver talent. Micah found a perfect team. They have depth,
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they have the quarterback. I think green Bay defensively, this
is the best Packer defense and certainly the most aggressive
I can remember seeing where Colin was raw the Texas Longhorns.
I had them in the National Championship against Penn State
and they are struggling offensively arch Manning and this offense
(05:00):
is unwatchable. They could not put u TEP away. Now
they're missing a couple of receivers and a couple of
running backs. They've got injuries, but I mean, who are
we kidting here? UTEP doesn't have a player that Texas
would recruit, and they've got the biggest nil cachet in
the business. I don't know if it's mechanics or confidence,
but arch Manning is officially.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Off where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Mike McDaniel oh and two job in jeopardy, and I
think both Chris Jear the GM, Chris Greer the GM,
and Mike McDaniel probably need to be replaced. The roster
isn't good. The O lines a perpetual problem. I mean again,
special teams were even bad against the Patriots. The cultures wrecked.
The Bills are up next on Thursday Night Football, so
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presumably they're oh and three. From the very beginning, I
questioned if it was all about the sizzle and was
I getting any stake, And as of today, I don't
think I am where Colin was right. Football feels dead
when Nico im Aliava transferred from Tennessee. I said, what
(06:07):
are you doing? Tennessee's a football factory. They got NFL
dudes everywhere. You don't transfer out of Tennessee to UCLA.
That's a huge mistake. And it was again. I'm not
saying Tennessee is Georgia, but Tennessee is a football factory.
They care, they're committed. UCLA's football nil is at the
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very bottom of the Big ten. So it's a cautionary tale.
I feel terrible for the kid. I think he got
bad advice. I think he's really talented, but getting routed
by New Mexico and if you watch the game, it
could have been worse.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Is not good.
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Speaker 2 (07:25):
Heard Hierarchy time.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Now, let's go the top ten NFL teams according to
College Number ten.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I think the Indianapolis Colts have a much better roster
than people want to admit. They've already got a star
in Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman Pierce offensive line
controlled the NFL leading team in sacks Denver. Denver could
not get the Daniel Jones first team in NFL history.
They went ten for ten first ten possession. I've been
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on this for two years. I think they have an
excellent roster. They've drafted incredibly well. I like their players.
If Jones plays at this B to B plus level,
they're going to win this division. Colts at ten, number
nine Commanders now played Packers Thursday. They're going to be
fine because Terry McLaurin held out Jaden Daniels and they're
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one of six teams without a giveaway this season. Like
last year, they're very efficient. They don't give it away.
They just haven't been able to get the offense right
because McLaurin was a holdout.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, now off.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
The Packer loss, they get extra time Deebo and McLaurin.
They play the Raiders, who just lost at home. I
think Washington, I'm a buyer here is going to this
week look like the Washington of last year.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I like them.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
They're the oldest team in the league. They've got veteran leadership.
I like Washington at nine, number eight. I got to
give the forty nine ers credit. They're not even healthy.
Top ten in total offense, top ten in total defense,
two to zero, both wins on the road. That accounts
for something. They've been great on third down, one of
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the two teams picking up first downs at over a
fifty percent rate. And again Brandon Nyuk's hurt, George Kittle,
Brock Purty, Christian McCaffrey leads the NFL in touches right now.
So I'm always impressed when you can deal with injuries,
go on the road and win, I don't care who
you play.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Niners at eight, number seven, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Again, they haven't played great football, but they've won two
road games, and dating back to last season, they've won
eight of their last nine regular season games. Baker Mayfield
since he arrived, leads the NFL in touchdown passes, second
in passing yard since twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And last night was classic.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They got a punt block, Their special teams were a mess,
and they go on the road and win and so
and they haven't had Tristan Wirfs, they haven't had Chris Godwin.
So just like Washington, just like some of these teams
in front, when you can win and you don't have
tell me your best players, like San Francisco and Tampa,
you're making the hurt hierarchy Number six. Maybe I have
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them too low. I'd put the Chargers. I do wonder
if Hampton and Najie Harris when they're gonna pop. Joe
Alt's been great moving over to left tackle. But let's
be honest about the Chargers right now. Yeah, their offense
hasn't played well, and they've beaten the Chiefs, and they've
gone on the road and beaten the Raiders. Justin Herbert
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under Jim Harbaugh, thirty touchdowns and three picks. They don't
have a lot of sizzle. But Quinton Johnson emerging is
a non bust and actually a legitimate deep threat. Matters
a lot. Number five the Ravens. I worry about the
back end of their defense. But Lamar Jackson seven touchdowns,
no picks in a passer rating of one hundred and
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thirty six. I compared them last hour to those great
Atlanta Brave teams that won a World Series. You can
just pencil them in to win their division. The GM,
the coach, the owner, all great across the board. Now
their pass defense is going to bite them in that
you know what at some point this year. But through
two weeks, best offense in the league.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Number four the Bills.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I worry about the back end of their defense, which
actually looks slow, but they're averaging thirty five and a
half points a game, Number one total offense in the league.
They actually run the football more than people give them
credit for. James Cook is really good. And their schedule
is Tomato Cams, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots coming up like Brady.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
In this division.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
They're going to win it as long as Josh Allen's
in his prime. But I again worry about the back
end of this defense because in the AFC there's too
many good quarterbacks. The Chiefs are going to get healthy.
These games are going to be close number three the Rams.
Their pass rush is insane, highest graded offense, highest gradded
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passer in Matt Stafford. Again, this team least penalized in
the NFL last year, and their defense was the youngest
from six different players. I couldn't even tell you the
last time they missed on a defensive draft pick. So
I mean they're zero to two against the Eagles, nine
to zero against everybody else in their last eleven games.
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I have the Rams at three, number two Philadelphia. Their
passing game worries me. I mean they're the first team
to go to and Oh to start a season without
a passing touchdown in twenty five years. So Jalen hurts.
I mean AJ Brown has six catches for about thirty
five yards, So I don't know how that's gonna work out.
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And you know, it almost feels like now more often
than not, they're reliant on the toush push, but they're
not playing offensively with a lot of tempo, and they
don't they don't create fear. They just sort of squish
you for three and a half hours. I have them
at two number one.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I don't think Green Bay as a flaw. I think
the cake was really good, and then you added the
icing and Micah Parsons coach quarterback run game. Nobody in
the league drafts tight ends and wide receivers better than
green Bay. They're stacked and they're not paying any of them.
So I think green Bay is by far and away
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right now the best team in the league. I have
Kansas City at eleven. I have Denver troubling. They've been
sloppy at twelve again. I think the Chiefs will start
winning games now Xavier Worthy comes back. But I couldn't
say the last time the Chiefs were not in are
heard hierarchyment.
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
With that my friend Nick Wright joining us live. He
by didn't like that Colts pick.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
It's bad. You mean you know, I mean, you're right, Colin,
I don't like. I don't like when you do bad things.
I have so much respect for you that, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I saw that.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
You know what it reminded me of and you talking
about their roster and Daniel Jones heard Hierarchy twenty twenty four,
Week three have you seen the Saints and Derek Carr
start two and zho Alvin Kamar looks like young Alvic
Kamara soft division look out.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
For New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
I don't know if they've won a game since then.
I'm not saying that's what's going to happen to the Colts,
but it feels very Saints have the best open to
a season and franchise history.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Ish I do want.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
But and listen, the Chiefs right now don't deserve if
it's based purely on this season, lean out of the
top ten.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
That's fine, And I think.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
It's what you're right, and I think what you're saying
is correct, which is they if this were a team's
most likely to win the Super Bowl ranking, they would
be firmly in the top ten. But it's where they
are right now, so I'm fine with that. I would
like if I may to spend a moment on the Niners,
(15:06):
because for you and I, it's really been a fun
last fifteen months watching the Niners, because you you know,
folks like you and I were like, hey, Jimmy Garoppolo's fine,
probably not the bus driver there, and folks are like,
look at his winning percentage and then he leaves there
and he's a career back up, and then rock Perty
(15:27):
comes in and we're like, yeah, Brockberty's fine, but he's
not really the lead actor of the movie. Books like, hey,
he left the Super Bowl field with a lead what
do you give.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
The manage respect? He deserves his fifty million?
Speaker 6 (15:41):
And then you and I were like, well, maybe if
he didn't have all his weapons doing me quite as good.
And then last year he doesn't and they win five games.
And then this year it's like, what if you replace
rock Perty with a guy everyone agrees can't play?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
How would that guy look?
Speaker 6 (15:57):
And that guy who's the best game he's played in
three And now those same people are staring down the
barrel of am I gonna have to make the argument
that Mac Jones actually is great?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Or am I gonna have to fold my hand?
Speaker 6 (16:11):
And you know what they are looking at Mac Jones
rookie year, Pro Bowl or ten wins. Maybe it's just
you know, it took a while to ripen. So I
think the Niners Shanahan deserves a lot of bready for
what he's done.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Thus far this season. I do it? Can I ask
you one charger question? And then I'll give you a showback. Yeah,
I Am. The thing I've liked.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
The least about the Chiefs start to their year is
how much Patrick is running. He saves that for the
playoffs he gets, and now he's getting.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
I don't love that. He feels like he has to. Man.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
I feel like they are putting Herbert in jeopardy early
and often, and I don't love that.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
And late last.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Night, when the game is wrapped up, they call a
quarterback designed run like I think he is playing the
best ball of his.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Life, without question. I don't love.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Them spending a first round pick on a running back
and justin Herbert's leading them in rushing.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
I don't love that.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
No, And I think they've felt a receiver shy for three,
four or five years, and Keenan Allen has been. But
you know, Keenan's not going to play seventeen weeks. He won't.
He'll get banged up. So I just said this before
in last hour. I don't know what Nause, Harris and
Hampton become, but it's got to be better than this.
If you want to in the AFC, it's got to
be better than this. I would say this. I started
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my show saying this. It's years ago. A couple years ago,
I offered Baker to podcast at the Volume and he
said no. But Colin and I are frenemies. Were all
good and so much of what I see with Ben
Johnson and Caleb, which is two talented people that don't fit.
Baker is perfect in Tampa because Cleveland was all Hugh
Jackson and Greg Williams and the bitter Cleveland media and
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he goes to sleepy Tampa and right now there is
no argument's top seven, eight, nine quarterback in the league,
and I think Tampa is a It's the perfect marriage,
right like it just no pressure.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
The media is helpful, they're not bitter. What do you
make of what you're watching?
Speaker 7 (18:14):
All right? So a few things.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
One is maybe take another run at Baker with the
pod now that I'm part of the Volume team. Unlike
you guys, Baker and Iron frenemies, we're just actual friends.
I'd even be maybe you wanting to do an extra
pod a week if Bake shows doing it with me.
So we should talk about that. As far as your
top seven or eight right over the last two years, Colin, well,
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a year and two weeks since the beginning of last season.
He is top three or four in the NFL in
everything in yards, in touchdowns, and rating and completion percentage.
Right now, Colin, if you were to do an MVP list,
he justin Herbert and Lamar in some order or another,
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probably the top three. And I think Tampa has a
real shot at and listen, I picked Tampa to go
to the super Bowl in large part because I thought
they could have the number one seed. I think Philly
and Green Bays divisions are so much tougher than what
Baker's gonna be dealing with.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
I think they could have an.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Extraordinary season and starting the year two games on the road,
two games trailing late, two games game winning drives. That's
pretty special. Now to your point about Cleveland, I think
Cleveland could have been perfect for him, and the fact
like Cleveland was, his ruggedness and trash talking and all
(19:40):
of it should have fit Cleveland. But the Browns, in
their infinite wisdom, saw a player.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
They drafted number one overall.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Win a playoff game for the Cleveland Browns in year three,
then almost upset the Chiefs in Arrowhead to go to
the title game. Yeah, and a year later because Odell's
dad put out a mixtape of misthrows. They were like,
we can do better. It's one of the biggest missteps
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any team has made in the most important position in decades.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
You drafted the kid number one overall.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
He sets the rookie record for touchdown passes after you
had gone one and thirty one the two years before
he got there. Year three, he's winning a playoff game
against Pittsburgh and you're done with him. It was bananas
what happened. And I'm so glad he is now establishing
himself and now staring at this coming off season one
(20:41):
of those fifty five million dollars a year contracts, because
at the moment he's one of the two best bargains.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
And olds in the whole sport.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, and I was saying this morning, there's ten two
and oh teams and ten ozho to two teams, and
most of the oh and two teams are the teams
that every April lead the draft, take the Chiefs out.
They'll make the playoffs. They're going to be fine. I
think they're fine. And I also think Houston's okay. They
just can't run block and CJ. Stroud's running for his life.
So they Colts look better, blah blah blah. But I
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do think there's a truth about the NFL with a
hard cap, that ownership matters, GMS matter. And I look
at the Chicago Bears and I said this yesterday. Wonderful
people get divorced and find their perfect mate. It doesn't
mean they're bad people, but fit is important. And Ben
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Johnson is a timing structure coach and Caleb is terrific
in opening drives and then he starts freelancing and.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
It doesn't look like it fits.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It doesn't mean Caleb couldn't work with Andy Reid, but
I watched this Chicago thing and I'm like, guys, it's
not the coaching because on script, the two opening drives
have been remarkable. But Caleb is just too talented. There's
too much horsepower, you know, to put him in a box. Nick,
I don't think it works. I don't think Ben and
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Caleb works.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
So I here is my pushback on that one.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Is even and I.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Saw your really great and I say that sincerely, really
great spot with Tom Brady last week when you mentioned
that your new kind of line of demarcation is Thanksgiving
year two and that you've sped it up from where
you were previously. Even by that kind of expedited process,
(22:30):
we're not there yet with Caleb. We're certainly not there
yet with Caleb and Ben, who have two games together.
My other pushback to what would be Ben Johnson picked
the Bears because of Caleb, so he must think that.
I mean, he obviously watched Caleb, knew who he was
as a player, and said, yes, that's where I want
(22:52):
to go. So I think you are being a little
hasty in that regard that this won't work. I do
think work in progress is correct. I also must tell
you I feel personally a little silly dissecting Caleb Williams
when right above his name on the bar it says
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the Bears allowed fifty two points to the Lions. I
do think that probably was the bigger problem on Sunday
than Caleb freelancing a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I said this is that if I used an example
of a young attorney goes to a law firm in
your hometown of Kansas City. He's ivy league, he's sharp,
but it's an old law firm with established partners, and
after about three years he's like, guys, I'm not getting
any cases. I'm going to go to another law firm.
Everybody in the law firm would be like, totally get it.
(23:45):
Even the partners totally get it. When Jalen Brunton leaves
the Mavericks, he likes, I need the ball in my hands, Guys,
I need shots. Everybody's like, yeah, of course he does.
Luke is the better player. But AJ Brown plays Tennessee
the most run centric team, Philadelphia even more run centric.
He's a top three receiver. Arguably, he's an NBA player
(24:06):
that can't get any shots. But yet in the NFL,
which is all about the shield and unity and fun
of the coach, it's like a guy can't ask for
a trade. I would totally support Aj Brown if he
just said, guys, I love you. I got five catches
for thirty yards. This is a terrible fit. Go throw
to Devonte Am I.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Wrong on this.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
No, and I so a couple things. One is and
you should I'll email it to if you want, because
if this I hadn't heard you make this point. AJ
Brown told us as much. Days after the Super Bowl.
He posted an Instagram photo talking about how and then
he wrote in the caption, and I'm paraphrasing, but about
(24:49):
how the satisfaction of the Super Bowl lasted two days.
And then he said, and again I'm paraphrasing, but it's
almost a direct quote where I get my love for
the game is demoralizing a defensive back, is showing my excellence.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
He told us that's who he.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Is, and that's part of the reason he's become so
great that while winning is fun, what he plays for
is you know, dominating his matchup. And I happen to
think that if Ceedee Lamb catches a ball, and if
Travis Kelce catches a ball, and the Eagles, instead of
(25:28):
being two and zero, are either zero to two or
even one and one. This is already a huge story
in Philadelphia because the fact of the matter is their
passing game, which remember last year when they were already
on a nine game winning streak. AJ Brown after the
Carolina game said we need to improve on passing. That
(25:52):
then led to you know, the Jalen's big game against
the Steelers, aj Reidan on the sideline, all of it,
the whole thing. They were in the it's the they
hadn't lost in months.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
He was frustrated.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Now he's getting less targets, less opportunity at any point
in his career because they haven't lost.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
I think it is at a simmer.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
It will absolutely be at a full boil if they
play this style on Sunday and the Rams beat them.
And what I do think is noteworthy is unlike last
year when Saquon was in route to two thousand yards
and they were blowing people out. The Eagles deserve credit
(26:35):
for getting those wins. But it's not as if if
AJ said, hey, we can be better on offense, he
would be wrong. Their offense had. Their best offensive play
has been Jalen hurd scrambles and the tush push where
the entire team lines up off sides and the guards
false start. But the NFL allows it like they have
(26:56):
not been prolific right now. And I don't wouldn't thrush.
I wouldn't mind of AJ or blame AJ if you
were frustrated.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, finally, I said this yesterday Joe Burrow. It gets
hurt a lot, and you can blame the ownership in
the old line, but Justin Fields gets hurt a lot,
and Justin Fields puts himself in harm way. Now Josh
Allen can get away with it. But I watched Big
Ben and Cam Newton huge man six five, two sixty.
I watched them age overnight why they took shots, and
(27:27):
I watched Joe Burrow. It's like, Joe, you're you've got
a normal frame. It's a six two and a half
ish two twenty five man. I'm just saying it is
also in coming. I watched Eli Manning literally drop throw
it away, pre snap reads, get out of hits is correct?
Speaker 7 (27:47):
This is Burrow.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah, So this is tricky because listen, it's primarily on
the Bengals. That offensive line's been bad for five years.
It's there's the but Burrow is so I'm so it's
so interesting you said big Ben because I evoked him
in this same discussion yesterday, but for a slightly different
reason last year, right, take the Chiefs with Patrick. The
(28:14):
offensive line is a mess, and Patrick but grudgingly he's like, Okay,
I guess it's going to be bang bang, bang out,
dunk and dunk, and you know I'm going to get
rid of the ball. Burrow is so intent and so
excellent at what I called yesterday big game hunting that
(28:36):
he is. In week one and in week two, before
the injury, he was getting the snot kicked out of him, Colin,
And it wasn't like immediate pressure. It was he could
have checked it down, he could have thrown away. He's
trying to hunt the big play, which you know he
had five thousand yards unbelievable year. Last year, you know,
(28:56):
got MVP vospite missing the playoffs, so he was rewarded
for it. But it wasn't shocking to me he got hurt.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
It was sad.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
It makes you worried about him, but sometimes you have
to protect yourself in different ways. And I the reason
I mentioned big Ben is in the pocket, Colin. He
plays a lot like Ben did, which is there might
be people at my feet, I'm staying there. I'm gonna
shake you off. But Big Ben was called Big Ben
(29:27):
because he was six five and a half, huge and.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Impossible to bring down.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Burrow playing this style is just risky, and it's it again.
It feels almost like victim blame me, but your point
is correct you if you're Joe Burrow, you know if
I get hurt, the team is absolutely ruined. If we
(29:53):
don't hit this third and eight, we can recover from it.
And it's a shame that he now is where I'll
leave it, Colin. He is likely going to hold a
record that no one else will ever come close to
and that no one else wants, which is next year
he likely becomes the NFL's first ever three times Comeback
(30:16):
Player of the Year winner.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
And you don't want that.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
And it's a shame for Joe because he's such a
great player.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, he's like a ten million dollar chandelier in an
empty mansion. They have no run game, so he's always
throwing on third and long. They don't protect him, they
got they don't spend money on defense, so he's only
able to win shootouts. You know, mahomes can win low
scoring games. I mean, they're tied with the Eagles ten
tens a half. But there is something to be said
(30:43):
about And again it's I'm not saying maybe it's eighty
twenty on the Bengals, but when guys there's something hurt,
there's something.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Going to give your producers one other job real quick.
You just said ten million dollars chandelier. There's a great
meme that described that it's a Lamborghini parked in front
of a traphouse. Throw that on the screen for Colin
at some point he'll like it.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Because that's what the Bengals built.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Burrow Chase Higgins is as nice of a trio as
you get everything else, as you know, leaky faucets and
cracked foundations.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
It's no good.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Good to see you, bro, all right, Nick right, great stuff,
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