September 22, 2025 • 36 mins
The Chicago Bears finally notch their first win of the NFL season — and Colin Cowherd breaks down why he's beginning to believe in the growing chemistry between rookie quarterback Caleb Williams and new head coach Ben Johnson.
Colin also tells you why he was wrong about the Packers following their loss to the Browns and right about Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh as they improve to 3-0 on the season.
Plus, 3-time Pro Bowl quarterback Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to analyze what's wrong with the Kansas City Chiefs offense and how the Philadelphia Eagles finally unlocked A.J. Brown in Week 3.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh here we going on Monday?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
What a crazy, crazy Sunday of NFL football? Carson Wentz,
Marcus Mariona chopping it out? Was it twenty seventeen? We
are live, It's the Herd one hour from now. Where
Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, plenty of both.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Jmack.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
All the years I've been watching football, there has never
been a Sunday like that. Ever been a Sunday like that.
Seven games had winning scores in the last three minutes.
That's the most in forty eight year, and most went
the opposite way of how you thought they would end up.
That was easily in my adult life. The weirdest Sunday.
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Tampa Bay led like what was it? Twenty three to
six at home with a better quarterback in the fourth
quarter and needed a walk off kick to win over
the awful Jets.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, Falcons every week, heart attack in the final seconds.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
So let's start with the Bears.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Caleb Williams Ben Jonson beat the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Two things were abundantly clear.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Number one that Ben Jonson the coach and Caleb Williams
the quarterback had some real harmony.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
They finally found a rhythm.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
We've been waiting for that couple of great drives and
the first half start of the third eight different players
saw the ball. The screen game was working, creativity, structure
the run game. In fact, over the course of the
game there were twenty eight pass attempts that were twenty
nine rush attempts. This team tons of offensive talent, Caleb Williams, structure, creativity. Now,
(02:06):
Caleb can be more accurate throwing it downfield that he
can on a six yard out.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
But it was it was rhythm.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And that's what I said, I don't need to win
progress advancement. Can you show me rhythm outside of the
first drive. So that was abundantly clear. They found some
of that, imperfect, but they found it. The second thing
that is abundantly clear is Mike is gone in Dallas's
defense is absolutely atrocious. It is awful. I don't know
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how Cole Comet and Dj Moore can get that open
in the end zone, Like I don't know on third down,
they can't get anybody off the field. Matt Eberflus got
completely worked by the guy that replaced him, Ben Johnson.
Dallas is bad. And so there's two things. Dallas made
Russell Wilson look like Seahawks. Russell Wilson and Caleb Williams
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got loose. And again I said, we said on this show,
it's just you gotta get away from the W's. They
don't have the Packers talent or Detroit's. They're not going
to be the Eagles of the Rams. But let's put
it in proper context. You saw something like pass run
screen game. It's not a lack of talent. They got talent.
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I didn't need a win, move the football. I didn't
see a sack. There were no sacks. It was layered.
They were better on third down and the trick plays.
They hit the open guys. Now, I still think Caleb,
I don't know if it's mechanics, anxiety, or he's rushing it.
He can dirt balls from five feet away drives Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Coaches design plays, the clever, creative ones. Even their trick
play wasn't smooth. It worked. The Cowboys, you know, weren't
covering it. But Caleb's got a power arm. He's a
remarkable athlete. This is a really smart, structured coach who
puts all sorts of creativity in it.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And so I got everything.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I got Ben's creativity, I got Caleb's horsepower. It worked
at least it worked against Dallas.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
But that's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I had said, opening up with Brian Flores and then
facing Detroit in Detroit off a blowout lost to Green Bay.
That is a tough opening act. When you're just learning
a new system. It's okay to occasionally get a bad defense.
There's about fifteen of them in the NFL. But when
you get a bad defense, you have to make the
most of it. And I thought Chicago at home did.
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I thought they got momentum, they were creative, and it
wasn't perfect. Ben Johnson wears his emotions on his face.
You can see when he's upset, but balance clever, creative
power running.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I liked it.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Here was Ben after It'll be fun for tonight and
then we're onto the next one. You know, we're behind
the eight ball here for one and two, and we
got to get back to five hundred here. It's early,
but we got to get the issues fixed. And I
thought those guys were committed to that here this week,
and we had a good week of preparation, and they
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came out and they played inspired football today, and so
good things happened. When you're playing hard, you're playing physical,
and you're playing for the guy next to you, and
I thought that's what happened here today.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Okay, so Brian Flores, that was tough. And then the
ticked off Lions on the road that was brutal, awful.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Dallas rolled.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Okay, now here come the Raiders, a team that's not
very good. The quarterback will give you the ball back
and then it's a bye. So we said it was
a rough opening act. As you remember in the preseason.
Now you don't take a lot of snaps.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It was bound.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
We told you one of our favorite bets that week
was Minnesota playing Chicago. Detroit was a rough spot, but
they took care of business. They should beat the Raiders
who are trying to find their way. Then they get
a bye. It's a little early than you want to buy.
But you got the Saints on the schedule, You're going
to have the Bengals without Joe Burrow. You've got the
awful Giants at home at Minnesota. We don't know what
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they are, Pittsburgh at home. There's some wins here. Nine
and eight is optimistic, but you have to take care
of the tear.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You gotta take care of the games you should win.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And it was pretty clear yesterday between Caleb and Ben
and the playmakers, you got to win that game. And
they did comfortably. That's progress, okay. In one of the
weirdest games ever, the Rams dominate Philadelphia in the first half,
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and then Nick Ceriani, I've never been the biggest fan,
had to go in at halftime and make adjustments and
he did and the adjustment was just pass the ball
to AJ Brown. So the Rams match up well with Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
We've seen it the last two times they play. Except
two areas.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
They don't have big, physical corners and AJ Brown can
eat them alive. They didn't draft one. It was a
surprise they should have. The Rams have smaller corners and
they do not match up with AJ Brown. At all
ten target, six catches, most yards all season. He's just
tossing guys like Crew Tod's in a salad bowl. The
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second problem the Rams have They're not very good at center.
They had a backup right guard h oh between Jalen
Carter and Jordan Davis. The Eagles have the best interior
d line I mean, honestly by a long shot in
the NFL. Well, it's not a position of strength for
the Rams. We saw it last year when Jalen Carter
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blew up the Rams offense in the snow to seal
a Philly win. And we saw yesterday two block kicks.
Then on a fourth and one the Rams try to
run it and went backwards. So between aj Brown manipulating
the smaller Ram corners and the rams inability to block
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too great in tenerior defensive linemen for Philadelphia, they're not
beating this team unless they make a move in my opinion,
at the trade deadline. And I know I know all
that you are saying this morning, Hey, Carl, I thought
Jalen Hurts wasn't good from the pocket. Well, he had
minus one passing yards in the first half. It was
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embarrassing and Jalen has these abs where he looks like
he does not know what he's doing. Got to Nick
Sirianni's credit. Sirianni listens to his players and relates to
his players, and they went in at half and figured
it out, get the ball to AJ Brown. So nobody
in this league wins as imperfectly as the Eagles. I mean,
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Sean McVay does not lose ten point leads. He never
loses twenty six to seven. Matt Stafford missed a couple
of open receivers, but for Sean McVay to lose a
game leading twenty six to seven, that just doesn't happen.
Philadelphia's defense is very good, but it was those block
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kicks and the fourth and one that was the difference.
So between AJ Brown and the defensive interior line of
the Eagles, the Rams do not match up with Philadelphia
in those two spots. So Nick Siriani and Jalen Hurts
deserve a ton of credit for the second half. And
AJ Brown, who is an insane talent. They're listen. He
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matches up well against almost everybody, but against the Rams.
I'm surprised it took halftime regrouping to figure it out.
They can't they can't stop him. There's nothing they can do.
He's a terrible matchup for them. And here's aja after
I truly believe.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Man, we got so many good players on his team,
you know, and in at times, you know, you can
feel like we're being conservative, and and uh, I don't
think it. I don't think it should be like that,
you know, I think it should. You know, let's your
let your killers do do the thing, you know, and uh,
and play fast and play aggressive. You know, we have
a lot of good players, and and I feel like
you should just let them go, you know. So you know, so.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It is, it's going to be like that. I will say,
it is the craziest day I've ever seen. I've never
seen a game like that. I officially, I'm just not
going to count that Rams loss on the Blazing five.
It never existed. I'm just not counting it. I don't
care that hurt. It would be nice if in the
history of the show, I could ever win a game
(10:28):
like that. But then again, Jmack had the Falcons over Carolina.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
It was thirty nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So I mean, listen, it was a bad day, but
I want to let you listen to the Eagle Radio
network on the block kick that ended up sealing it
for the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Here we go, they blocked to the last the bullet spunted.
The kick is a lost blocking, its blocked. It's poked
up by the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
News Davis Curtly twenty ten cuts down game over. I
mean you could say it was bad luck. It wasn't.
They did it twice. They blew them up on the
fourth and one. They did it last year in the
NFC Divisional round. Like the Rams can't block the Eagles
interior studs, they can't block them. I mean now fourth
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and one wasn't even close. So halfs off to Philadelphia, which.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean they listen.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Part of football is finding the liability of the team.
You face, it took them a half, but the Rams
can't block their interior and they can't cover aj Brown
into the Philly their credit, they discovered it, lean into
it and won j Mac.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That was nuts?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
What what is a just a nutty day?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
By the way, not only did I have the Falcons,
those losers that you tried to steer me off of,
I had the Tennessee Titans who got their doors off. However,
they have a quarterback who's underutilized and played in Kansas
City and was awesome and could match up with AJ Brown.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
His name is Lagerius Snead.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I wonder if you could put in a call to
your guy less Snead with the Rams and say, hey,
do you want to kick the tires on? And the
Titans aren't going anywhere? I was way wrong about them,
Doude DoD, I mean you got to make a move.
The Rams have a super Bowl team, do you go
look for a corner on the market.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
All right?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Last year the Washington got Lattimore from the Saints. They
got to the NFC Championship, So I think it's worth
making a move.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No, I think the Rams at the trade deadline they
have got to get at least one big, physical corner
because it was a mismatch. It wasn't like AJ Brown
had separated. He was just bigger and stronger than all
the Rams smaller talented corners. So it was a surprise
the Rams didn't draft a corner. I mean that was
one of their draft needs and they didn't use any
pick on a corner, and it's like, oh man, this
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Speaker 7 (14:12):
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Speaker 1 (14:12):
So on a Monday, Colin Wright Colin wrong, and here
we go where Colin was right. Jim Harbaugh world's best
football coach. Three and zero pulling away in the AFC West.
The Chargers run a short week. They fumbled the opening kickoff,
they lost Nausee Harris Khalil Max not playing. But Harbaugh
has in his career found ways to win uglyague games,
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and you got to give this team credit. Quinton Johnson
looked like a bust at wide receiver. Harbaugh's like, nope,
we're gonna feed him the ball. We're gonna throw it
to him half a dozen times deep. And the Chargers
win a game because they have the greatest football coach
of all time.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
The Packers led ten to nothing in the fourth and
still lost Cleveland. They were my number one team in
the league. What was weird is they had extra time
to prep because they played on Thursday night football, and
the offense was still disjointed. Jordan Love got hit hard
too many times. They they didn't have a lot of energy.
They came out flat and it's the National Football League.
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Jordan Love didn't have a lot of time. They didn't
get a touchdown until late third quarter. I thought this
was a team without a major flaw, and maybe it's
just energy because they lacked it against Cleveland on the
road where Colin was right. I've said this about Kyle Shanahan.
I predicted the Niners would have a lot of injuries,
and I've said before Kyle is the great quarterback whisperer.
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Mac Jones is not only two to zero, they're asking
him to throw as much as Justin Herbert. The dude
has eighty pass attempts in two starts with a wide
receiver corps. That's all banged up, George Kittle banged up.
You didn't say what you want about Kyle Shanahan hasn't
won the big game. Shanahan with quarterbacks. The league had
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given up on Mac Jones had given up and that
guy's out there spin at it and two to zero.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Credit to Shanahan.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Where Colin was raw. I have defended CJ. Stroud for
two years. He's twenty ninth in passer rating dating back
to last year. Now, I know the offensive lines not great,
but right now either as the Chargers. I picked the
Texans to win the AFC South. They can't pick up
first downs, they can't run it. Protection's not great right now.
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CJ's got more picks than touchdowns, averaging two hundred yards
a game, and Demiko Ryans. I worry about this because
I've said this for years. There's something about defensive head coaches.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And battle lines.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Last two years, they can't get the on line right.
I keep defending him, and I am wrong where Colin
was right. I said Friday Carson Wentz today now is
better than JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
He may not be in six weeks.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, the Vikings defense was great, but I said on
Friday show, Oh, he'll win and he'll be great. JJ
McCarthy looked overwhelmed. Carson Wentz has one hundred and thirty
passer rating yesterday seventy percent completion rate in total control.
The reason I like Carson Wentz is look at the
coaches who like him. Kevin O'Connell liked him, Sean McVay
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liked him. He keeps bouncing around to smart offensive coaches.
Carson Wentz was reckless, got banged up, but I will
defend him. I think he's honestly one of the most
talented backup quarterbacks in fact, easily in the National Football League.
And yesterday you can win a bunch of games with
Carson Wentz. And that's staff, those weapons and Brian Florence
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where Colin was raw. I gave up on Daniel Jones.
Forget Danny Dimes. He's Danny Dollars. He is dealing a
baby now. He's got a good old line in nice weapons,
but he made plays yesterday. Is he the next Baker?
Is he the next Sam Darnold. I said, give me
a break. He's throwing the ball downfield. This is not
thinking dunk. Danny Dollars was six to nine, ten plus
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yards down the field. This isn't a mirage. He's not
fooled anybody. He's making big boy NFL throws. Indy had
their first punt all season, So I mean he's playing
with confidence. Well, he's got Shane Stiken. Shane Stikeen ain't
making the throws. He is making big boy downfield drows.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
And I'm wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Jaden Mayov a USC Is anybody paying attention? Nine tds,
no pick, seventy one percent completion percentage. I don't want
to hear about their schedule. For all the people that
doubt Lincoln Riley, this kid last year was reckless and
out of control. He looks unbelievable. They were missing their
first or second best wide receiver. They lead the nation
in the yards per play, They're a touchdown favorite at Illinois.
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This kid has cleaned up his entire game again. Last
year he was young, he was reckless, he kind of
played out of control. I didn't think he was very
good between the hash marks, he is making big time
throws and great decisions.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Coming out of Ohio State, I thought Marvin Harrison was
can't miss, more like can't catch? Is he a bust? Honestly,
I don't know what's happened. He's not separating. They don't
target him. Ten catches three games. I don't know what
it was. I thought he was a guaranteed stud. I
just thought physically he would be a mismatch, but lost confidence.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
They don't target him. I mean he was.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
He was drafted above like Rowandunde and neighbors.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
And I don't see it like.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
At all where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Cade klubnick Ken Clemson quarterback. What happened? I mean, Clemson's
got NFL guys.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
They're one hundred and thirteenth in FCF and scoring offense.
I thought he could be a top two or three quarterback.
Drafted Clemson zero to two in the ACC and they
haven't played Miami yet. They're one and three overall. Fell
into a deep hole against Syracu. I watched this entire game.
I don't know what the problem is. Maybe they should
have gone to the transfer portal. Clemson refuses to do
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the nil holding the ball too long. I mean, I
have no idea. It's total regression, lower completion percentage, more interceptions,
fewer yards per game. Nothing looks right. I had a
lot of wrongs this week. I got to own them.
I had a lot of wrongs yesterday, and with that,
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Matt Hasselbeck stops by eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Man, I was wrong a lot.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
I like when you admit when you were wrong. It's
just I love the humility.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh well, I don't have it often, but boy, I'm
bringing my fastball today.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I will say this. Listen.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I know it's the bear'sty, the Dallas defense, but here's
what I did. Like, They've got a lot that there's
a lot of people that.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Need to there.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
They've got a Luther Burden and Roma Dunza and Dj
Moore and two tight ends. And I did think there
was a rhythm Matt to the offense. I thought that
a couple drives where it was like the screen game,
the run game. They played the Clockwell, I did sense
a rhythm or is that just Dallas's bad defense.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
It's both, but it was clearly Yeah, rhythm, timing, accuracy.
No sacks is huge. Yeah, good pass protection. This was
easily Caleb Williams's best game as a pro. Easily. It
was fun to watch. If you're a Bears fan, you're like, oh, shoot,
this is sick, Like this is what we could be.
Ben Johnson, I mean he is, like you see why
he was so good in this division going up against
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guys like Matt Eberflus, like he knew the division. I
think there is something nice about game planning people that
you actually know, like you know them as well as
they know themselves. You know what they're never going to
change where they're never going to change. But I just
thought it was incredible, you know, and you know, just
you know, Caleb obviously deserves his credit. He did a
really nice job. But guy really wasn't a lot of
contested touchdowns were wide open. Like I don't have like
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a nixt gen stats kind of thing on it, but
like usually touchdown passes are hard to come by, you know,
usually guys end up on the ground. A lot of
times these were stand up, nobody near me type touchdowns.
It was an impressive, impressive win for Chicago, and equally
is embarrassing for Dallas. Like if you're Dallas, you're feeling
pretty good last week and now you're kind of like,
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who the heck are we?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Like?
Speaker 7 (22:24):
This is? This is embarrassing.
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Speaker 1 (22:36):
I want to know though, do players look at it
and think the Bears, I mean, like the Bear players today?
Is it self belief in that locker room? Or is
there a sense Dallas is bad? Like were you ever
on a team that you were struggling to find your footing?
You beat a really bad team, how does that usually
translate the following week? Because they have the very average
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Raiders coming up?
Speaker 7 (22:59):
It's too Number one, never apologize for a win. Never,
Like we would say that in every locker room ever,
Like it would just be like, never apologize. I don't
care how bad they were, how much disarray they're in.
It's really hard to get a win. Like, we put
our heart and soul into this thing. We're going to
celebrate it on a Sunday. But now here's the thing.
Win or lose that game plan, that celebration, all of
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that that has to just kind of evaporate and go away.
It's like it never happened. You know, maybe there's a
feel good feeling. I think the hard thing after a
win is you've got to correct the things that need
to be corrected. Sometimes in a loss, you know, you
look at everything under a magnifying glass and you're like, okay,
We've got to get a little bit better in the
details here. After a win, sometimes you sweep things under
the rug in terms of like technique or hey, we
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got our way with one here, and you don't necessarily
improve as the season's going going on. So I think
they'll be fine. Ben Johnson seems like a little bit
of a workaholic, and I don't think I don't think
he's going to let him off the hook that way.
But I think a game like that for Chicago, with
the scrutiny that their quarterback has been under, is going
to give some confidence to a team that needs a
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little bit of confidence.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
One of the things that I don't think we talk
about in the media enough, and I don't think fans
realize it, is that even practice is hard in football.
You know, basketball practice you get a good sweat. Baseball
practice you're in the cage. Football practice you tackle and
get hurt and the weather's off and awful. So in
the NFL, just even when you don't get sacked, but
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you get hit and you get hit like justin Herbert
fourteen times and pressured fifty five times. I'm watching Herbert
yesterday and I'm like, I hope people realize what it
is like to play in the game. Forget just the
sacks where you're getting hammered fourteen or fifteen times. I
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think if if Harbaugh could go to a lab and
build a quarterback, it would be Justin Herbert. I mean,
when I watched him yesterday, I'm like, do people understand
how often he's get hit?
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Yeah? And I think he would build Andrew Luck. And
I think Justin Herbert has all those qualities that Andrew
Luck had. You know, I think when I think of Harbaugh,
I think of what he did at Stanford, and it
wasn't a pass first offense there either.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
You know.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
It was a hard nosed, physical, inside the tackles running team.
And that's I think the identity that he came in
with last year. And everyone said, oh, you're not using
Justin Herbert enough, he's not throwing the ball enough. And
Harbob basically said, listen, I'm going to get the best
of Justin Herbert by having this philosophy. And now you're
seeing it this year. You're seeing Justin Herbert put the
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team on his back, playing like an MVP, making all
world throws in the pocket, feeling healthy enough to do it.
I mean, listen, I'm old enough to remember when this
dude was playing with like broken fingers and all the
broken ribs and all these types of things. Down two
scores in the fourth quarter, still in the game. That's
not a recipe for a long career. It's not a
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recipe for playing great in the playoffs. I think Harbaugh
has the vision for what Herbert can be, and everyone's
buying in. Everyone's buying in. I think the opponent is
starting to buy in a little bit too, Like, oh, shoot, man,
this guy is one of the elite quarterbacks. You know,
even when we call the perfect play defensively, he goes
above the x's and o's and makes stuff happen. And
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I think that, you know, protecting him a little bit
is a way to unleash him, and I think Harbaugh's
done a great job of it.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You know, I don't know what happened at halftime, because
you guys only have fifteen minutes, and a couple of
those minutes are burned.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
I think it's thirteen, Yeah, it's thirteen minutes, depending on
the stadium.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So Philadelphia trails twenty six to seven. They have minus
one yards passing. They go in for their thirteen quick
minutes as they're drinking gatorade and have an orange license.
They come out and the offense is totally reborn. What
did Philadelphia, in your opinion, do at halftime to literally
rework the entire game plan.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Yeah, one of the biggest things you do at halftime,
as you use the bathroom, sometimes you got to hold
it and like it's tough, you feel a lot better
than the second half. That's a fun fact in case,
in case you wanted to know. But I think the
other thing that can happen is you get a consensus,
you have a short meeting. It's very quick, and sometimes
it can be got that big like you know, waffle
house call sheet looking like thing and you say, hey,
we got to get Aj the ball. They're leaving AJ
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one on one backside of three by one formations, meaning
three eligible receivers on one side. Our ex receiver, our
AJ Brown is by himself backside. We got to give
him opportunities. That's what I saw. I saw a team
that came in at halftime and said, hey, AJ needs
to be a part of this. And you know, we've
seen kind of devo receivers like flip out on the
sidelines and that kind of thing over the years. I
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don't think that's what we've seen out of aj this year.
He's had a he's kind of had a good in
a good mental state. He's been doing a great job blocking,
and I think that's the better way to handle it
as a talented receiver coming at halftime, be like, hey,
I got my guy. These guys cannot hold me one
on one. And that's what I saw, and that when
AJ Brown is cooking, When AJ Brown is getting opportunities,
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the Philly offense unlocks. And you know, the poise and
the demeanor of Jalen Hurts is awesome, but AJ Brown
to me, is the difference maker in a big way
for that for that scheme.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So I picked the Seahawks to be one of my
surprise teams. Like I love the NFL Draft. I thought
they had their third straight excellent draft. But I also
love how they're using Sam Darnold. You know, everybody's like
his JS and and number one. I'm like, yeah, it
looks like to me, and they got this kid, this
fifth round kid.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Out of Colorado State. He looks like he's a big
time player. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I just I watched the speed, I watched the velocity.
I mean that first half yesterday against the Saints matt
it looked like a pro team and a really good
college team like it was. You don't see that in
the NFL very much. Where Seattle had the ball seven
minutes and led thirty eight to six. I think the
Seattle thing, I mean, they blew the Steelers out in Pittsburgh,
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and Pittsburgh's now gonna winning record. What do you make
of how they're using Donald?
Speaker 7 (29:04):
Well, I think it was a swing and a miss
week one. You know, Week one, they played the Niners,
and they got away from what they wanted to be.
They became this like drop back, shotgun team without a
full back. And I think Mike McDonald did a good
job of kind of correcting the market a little bit
going into week two. No, no, no, no, that's not
the vision. Here's the vision. I want to be a
downhill play action team. I want to be under center more,
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I want to move the pocket. I want to have
a fullback in the game. That's what I want to be.
And here's how it fits with our offense and our
special teams and our defense. And I think message was
heard loud and clear. This is one of the best
offenses the last two weeks. Yesterday was like you said
it was, it was big brother little brother scoring on
special teams. But you know, really, when you look at
the pass protection around Sam Darnald, I think that's the
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key for him. And JSN is one of the game's
best receivers that people don't talk about, don't know about.
He kind of had a little bit of a flu
game yesterday where he came out and you know, looked
like Michael Jordan at times. But when offensive line, I mean,
get to fire out and play run action at least
half the time, it helps everything. And I think that's
the thing that some people do well. Some people talk
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about it but don't do it as well. Seattle, I
would say week two, in week three, they've figured that out,
and so you know, if you can continue that, I
think that Sam Darnold can have the kind of year
that he had last year. Without Kevin O'Connell, without Justin Jefferson.
He's playing really really good football right now.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
So I do think Worthy and Rashi Rice would help.
But I tend to believe offenses are about the play designer,
the quarterback and the offensive line, and an offensive line
can take an average back and make him a B
plus back. I look at Kansas City and I don't
care if the receivers come back. They can't run the ball.
The pass protection, I don't think Mahomes always trusted. I
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think we have to be honest about what Kansas City
is right now. Offensively, I mean, they're like twenty second
in time of possession. I don't think they're going to
be a very good offense. I think they'll get slightly better,
but I mean with Mahomes and Reid, they can't pick
up first downs. I mean, do you think the two
new receivers or the two receivers coming back will make
a huge difference.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
Yeah, I think it'd be a big difference. But you know,
Kansas City almost feels like this this team to me
that they're almost like just like bored right now. It's
almost like, yeah, we're just gonna kind of like like
an NBA team that's just like, yeah, we'll wait till
the playoffs to play our best football. You know, you know,
like that's almost the mindset. Not that they're not trying.
I know that they're trying, but they just seem hout
to sink. I think they're not Like we talked about
all those things earlier, about playing on rhythm and spreading
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the ball around and like put helping out the guys
around you in terms of offensive line, They're just doing
what they always did, and they're less talented than they
used to be. You know, injuries are a thing. Age
is a thing. You know, maybe some some of maybe
like people have like figured them out and studied them
a little bit, so they maybe need to get a
little refresher and sometimes they can be their own worst enemy,
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like just getting too cute at times. But no, I
think this is a team that'll be relevant at the
end of the year. They just might not get to
play it at Arrowhead, that's all.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
You know.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
They might be a road team the entire playoffs. And
again I think they're They're just one of those teams
that they would be fine with it. They're resilient that way,
and I also would not be surprised to see them
being active at the trade deadline.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, No, I think there's a I think the Rams
need a corner if they want to be you know,
I mean, I think there are some teams that just
need things and you can't solve them in your own camp.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Finally, there's a yeah, there's a you know that I'm
watching the Tyreek Hills situation very closely because if that
team gets really bad, you know, would would that make
sense with Tyreek Hill going back to Kansas City ever
be a thing I'm curious about that that would change
what that offense would look like right away.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Finally, I want to go back to Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I said this last week that I always thought there
were things you could change about a quarterback. You can't
change their size, but you can you can't change certain traits.
And I always said, man, you find these reckless quarterbacks
reckless early, reckless late, like that's the that's some guys
are just just to just play with a chip. They
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play a little loose, like Jay Cutler was like, ohways
to me, like big time talent.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
He was gonna throw bad picks.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Philip Rivers did that, and Josh Allen has literally eliminated
like his flaw. And I don't know who to give
credit for, but the fact in his last twelve games
he's got thirty touchdowns and one pick. I don't think
I've ever seen anything like that. Well, what do you
make of it?
Speaker 7 (33:29):
He's incredible. I mean every single year, at the end
of the year, you could point to this is the
thing that he's improved on. I think he deserves a
lot of credit, but I think the coaches as well,
like he was reckless with his body and reckless with
the ball at the beginning of his career. Then he
became just reckless with his body and less reckless with
the ball. Now I don't think he's reckless at all, hardly.
And I think what they've done is they've said, Okay,
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you want to be crazy, you know, with your scrambles
and all this kind of stuff, Let's do some design
quarterback runs. Let's run you know, like we're faking into
the running back but you're actually reading it. And then
let's run counter pulling the guard, pulling the tackle, and
it's quarterback run game. It's a lot of college run game.
But it's almost like they're saying, hey, you get your six, seven,
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eight yards and get down, or at least like as
a quarterback. I know this from from personal experience. When
you know the hits coming, it's not nearly as bad.
It's it's when you don't know that it's coming that
that's kind of where injuries can happen. So I think
there's like a little bit more design in a little
bit more structure to him as as sort of like
being reckless quote unquote, like it's almost like the illusion
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of reckless, but it's really within the play design. And
I just think he's been he's been awesome. Teammates love him,
the stadium loves him, you know all those things. I
think the opponent fears him. I think it's really cool
to see, you know, he is definitely on the Mount Rushmore,
on the podium, whatever you want to say with the
top quarterbacks in the game right now.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Good stuff as always, Matt Hasselbeck, my friend, thanks on
a Monday for stopping by see Kohin.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, it's uh. It was the nuttiest day all week.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Jmack kept telling me Atlanta looks tasty, and I said,
J Mack, I can show you receipts of thirty years
betting the Falcons. And but there were some genuine surprises.
I mean, green Bay with extra prep to lose at
Cleveland is a job dropper and in the.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Box almost squandering.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
A lead six leagues at home with Baker I mean,
now we had one major upset, we almost had four other.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Ones major Colin, let me give you the list of
quarterbacks who threw for under two hundred yards yesterday. Matthew Stafford,
Jordan Love, Russell Wilson, Kyler, Murray bo Nix, Aaron Rodgers,
Bryce Young threw for one hundred and twenty one yards
and one thirty to nothing yesterday.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Was crazy. Nothing's making sense. How is Stafford held to
two hundred yards?
Speaker 7 (35:57):
I don't really understand.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
What's interesting is I mean, when they came, they had
a chance to seal that game. Pooka dropped the touchdown.
It wasn't easy, no, no, no, not easy, but he
dropped that and then you think, okay, they'll get a
field goal and it got blocked and that was the game. Like,
if you're on the road against Philadelphia, you got to
make one of those two. You either got to make
the field goal or you got to catch the touchdown.
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And when they missed both, I was like, okay, okay,
you cannot do that against Philadelphia because Philadelphia in the
second half, I mean you saw it, they just decided
we're going to go to AJ Brown and the Rams
don't have the personnel to stop that.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
So do you still trade aj Brown if you're the
Eagles or do you just hold on to them?
Speaker 7 (36:36):
What's the move here?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I pulled that take over to a rest area. I'm
gonna get a dunkin Donuts. We'll wait a little bit
on that.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's good.
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh here we going on Monday?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
What a crazy, crazy Sunday of NFL football? Carson Wentz,
Marcus Mariona chopping it out? Was it twenty seventeen? We
are live, It's the Herd one hour from now. Where
Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, plenty of both.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Jmack.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
All the years I've been watching football, there has never
been a Sunday like that. Ever been a Sunday like that.
Seven games had winning scores in the last three minutes.
That's the most in forty eight year, and most went
the opposite way of how you thought they would end up.
That was easily in my adult life. The weirdest Sunday.
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Tampa Bay led like what was it? Twenty three to
six at home with a better quarterback in the fourth
quarter and needed a walk off kick to win over
the awful Jets.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, Falcons every week, heart attack in the final seconds.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
So let's start with the Bears.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Caleb Williams Ben Jonson beat the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Two things were abundantly clear.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Number one that Ben Jonson the coach and Caleb Williams
the quarterback had some real harmony.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
They finally found a rhythm.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
We've been waiting for that couple of great drives and
the first half start of the third eight different players
saw the ball. The screen game was working, creativity, structure
the run game. In fact, over the course of the
game there were twenty eight pass attempts that were twenty
nine rush attempts. This team tons of offensive talent, Caleb Williams, structure, creativity. Now,
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Caleb can be more accurate throwing it downfield that he
can on a six yard out.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
But it was it was rhythm.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And that's what I said, I don't need to win
progress advancement. Can you show me rhythm outside of the
first drive. So that was abundantly clear. They found some
of that, imperfect, but they found it. The second thing
that is abundantly clear is Mike is gone in Dallas's
defense is absolutely atrocious. It is awful. I don't know
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how Cole Comet and Dj Moore can get that open
in the end zone, Like I don't know on third down,
they can't get anybody off the field. Matt Eberflus got
completely worked by the guy that replaced him, Ben Johnson.
Dallas is bad. And so there's two things. Dallas made
Russell Wilson look like Seahawks. Russell Wilson and Caleb Williams
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got loose. And again I said, we said on this show,
it's just you gotta get away from the W's. They
don't have the Packers talent or Detroit's. They're not going
to be the Eagles of the Rams. But let's put
it in proper context. You saw something like pass run
screen game. It's not a lack of talent. They got talent.
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I didn't need a win, move the football. I didn't
see a sack. There were no sacks. It was layered.
They were better on third down and the trick plays.
They hit the open guys. Now, I still think Caleb,
I don't know if it's mechanics, anxiety, or he's rushing it.
He can dirt balls from five feet away drives Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Coaches design plays, the clever, creative ones. Even their trick
play wasn't smooth. It worked. The Cowboys, you know, weren't
covering it. But Caleb's got a power arm. He's a
remarkable athlete. This is a really smart, structured coach who
puts all sorts of creativity in it.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And so I got everything.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I got Ben's creativity, I got Caleb's horsepower. It worked
at least it worked against Dallas.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
But that's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I had said, opening up with Brian Flores and then
facing Detroit in Detroit off a blowout lost to Green Bay.
That is a tough opening act. When you're just learning
a new system. It's okay to occasionally get a bad defense.
There's about fifteen of them in the NFL. But when
you get a bad defense, you have to make the
most of it. And I thought Chicago at home did.
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I thought they got momentum, they were creative, and it
wasn't perfect. Ben Johnson wears his emotions on his face.
You can see when he's upset, but balance clever, creative
power running.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I liked it.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Here was Ben after It'll be fun for tonight and
then we're onto the next one. You know, we're behind
the eight ball here for one and two, and we
got to get back to five hundred here. It's early,
but we got to get the issues fixed. And I
thought those guys were committed to that here this week,
and we had a good week of preparation, and they
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came out and they played inspired football today, and so
good things happened. When you're playing hard, you're playing physical,
and you're playing for the guy next to you, and
I thought that's what happened here today.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Okay, so Brian Flores, that was tough. And then the
ticked off Lions on the road that was brutal, awful.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Dallas rolled.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Okay, now here come the Raiders, a team that's not
very good. The quarterback will give you the ball back
and then it's a bye. So we said it was
a rough opening act. As you remember in the preseason.
Now you don't take a lot of snaps.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It was bound.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
We told you one of our favorite bets that week
was Minnesota playing Chicago. Detroit was a rough spot, but
they took care of business. They should beat the Raiders
who are trying to find their way. Then they get
a bye. It's a little early than you want to buy.
But you got the Saints on the schedule, You're going
to have the Bengals without Joe Burrow. You've got the
awful Giants at home at Minnesota. We don't know what
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they are, Pittsburgh at home. There's some wins here. Nine
and eight is optimistic, but you have to take care
of the tear.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You gotta take care of the games you should win.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And it was pretty clear yesterday between Caleb and Ben
and the playmakers, you got to win that game. And
they did comfortably. That's progress, okay. In one of the
weirdest games ever, the Rams dominate Philadelphia in the first half,
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and then Nick Ceriani, I've never been the biggest fan,
had to go in at halftime and make adjustments and
he did and the adjustment was just pass the ball
to AJ Brown. So the Rams match up well with Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
We've seen it the last two times they play. Except
two areas.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
They don't have big, physical corners and AJ Brown can
eat them alive. They didn't draft one. It was a
surprise they should have. The Rams have smaller corners and
they do not match up with AJ Brown. At all
ten target, six catches, most yards all season. He's just
tossing guys like Crew Tod's in a salad bowl. The
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second problem the Rams have They're not very good at center.
They had a backup right guard h oh between Jalen
Carter and Jordan Davis. The Eagles have the best interior
d line I mean, honestly by a long shot in
the NFL. Well, it's not a position of strength for
the Rams. We saw it last year when Jalen Carter
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blew up the Rams offense in the snow to seal
a Philly win. And we saw yesterday two block kicks.
Then on a fourth and one the Rams try to
run it and went backwards. So between aj Brown manipulating
the smaller Ram corners and the rams inability to block
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too great in tenerior defensive linemen for Philadelphia, they're not
beating this team unless they make a move in my opinion,
at the trade deadline. And I know I know all
that you are saying this morning, Hey, Carl, I thought
Jalen Hurts wasn't good from the pocket. Well, he had
minus one passing yards in the first half. It was
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embarrassing and Jalen has these abs where he looks like
he does not know what he's doing. Got to Nick
Sirianni's credit. Sirianni listens to his players and relates to
his players, and they went in at half and figured
it out, get the ball to AJ Brown. So nobody
in this league wins as imperfectly as the Eagles. I mean,
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Sean McVay does not lose ten point leads. He never
loses twenty six to seven. Matt Stafford missed a couple
of open receivers, but for Sean McVay to lose a
game leading twenty six to seven, that just doesn't happen.
Philadelphia's defense is very good, but it was those block
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kicks and the fourth and one that was the difference.
So between AJ Brown and the defensive interior line of
the Eagles, the Rams do not match up with Philadelphia
in those two spots. So Nick Siriani and Jalen Hurts
deserve a ton of credit for the second half. And
AJ Brown, who is an insane talent. They're listen. He
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matches up well against almost everybody, but against the Rams.
I'm surprised it took halftime regrouping to figure it out.
They can't they can't stop him. There's nothing they can do.
He's a terrible matchup for them. And here's aja after
I truly believe.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Man, we got so many good players on his team,
you know, and in at times, you know, you can
feel like we're being conservative, and and uh, I don't
think it. I don't think it should be like that,
you know, I think it should. You know, let's your
let your killers do do the thing, you know, and uh,
and play fast and play aggressive. You know, we have
a lot of good players, and and I feel like
you should just let them go, you know. So you know, so.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It is, it's going to be like that. I will say,
it is the craziest day I've ever seen. I've never
seen a game like that. I officially, I'm just not
going to count that Rams loss on the Blazing five.
It never existed. I'm just not counting it. I don't
care that hurt. It would be nice if in the
history of the show, I could ever win a game
(10:28):
like that. But then again, Jmack had the Falcons over Carolina.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
It was thirty nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So I mean, listen, it was a bad day, but
I want to let you listen to the Eagle Radio
network on the block kick that ended up sealing it
for the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Here we go, they blocked to the last the bullet spunted.
The kick is a lost blocking, its blocked. It's poked
up by the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
News Davis Curtly twenty ten cuts down game over. I
mean you could say it was bad luck. It wasn't.
They did it twice. They blew them up on the
fourth and one. They did it last year in the
NFC Divisional round. Like the Rams can't block the Eagles
interior studs, they can't block them. I mean now fourth
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and one wasn't even close. So halfs off to Philadelphia, which.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean they listen.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Part of football is finding the liability of the team.
You face, it took them a half, but the Rams
can't block their interior and they can't cover aj Brown
into the Philly their credit, they discovered it, lean into
it and won j Mac.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That was nuts?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
What what is a just a nutty day?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
By the way, not only did I have the Falcons,
those losers that you tried to steer me off of,
I had the Tennessee Titans who got their doors off. However,
they have a quarterback who's underutilized and played in Kansas
City and was awesome and could match up with AJ Brown.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
His name is Lagerius Snead.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I wonder if you could put in a call to
your guy less Snead with the Rams and say, hey,
do you want to kick the tires on? And the
Titans aren't going anywhere? I was way wrong about them,
Doude DoD, I mean you got to make a move.
The Rams have a super Bowl team, do you go
look for a corner on the market.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
All right?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Last year the Washington got Lattimore from the Saints. They
got to the NFC Championship, So I think it's worth
making a move.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No, I think the Rams at the trade deadline they
have got to get at least one big, physical corner
because it was a mismatch. It wasn't like AJ Brown
had separated. He was just bigger and stronger than all
the Rams smaller talented corners. So it was a surprise
the Rams didn't draft a corner. I mean that was
one of their draft needs and they didn't use any
pick on a corner, and it's like, oh man, this
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is really showing up. Okay, coming up next, the world's
greatest football coach, Jim Harball pulled it off again, and
I want to talk about that.
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Speaker 7 (14:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So on a Monday, Colin Wright Colin wrong, and here
we go where Colin was right. Jim Harbaugh world's best
football coach. Three and zero pulling away in the AFC West.
The Chargers run a short week. They fumbled the opening kickoff,
they lost Nausee Harris Khalil Max not playing. But Harbaugh
has in his career found ways to win uglyague games,
(14:37):
and you got to give this team credit. Quinton Johnson
looked like a bust at wide receiver. Harbaugh's like, nope,
we're gonna feed him the ball. We're gonna throw it
to him half a dozen times deep. And the Chargers
win a game because they have the greatest football coach
of all time.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
The Packers led ten to nothing in the fourth and
still lost Cleveland. They were my number one team in
the league. What was weird is they had extra time
to prep because they played on Thursday night football, and
the offense was still disjointed. Jordan Love got hit hard
too many times. They they didn't have a lot of energy.
They came out flat and it's the National Football League.
(15:20):
Jordan Love didn't have a lot of time. They didn't
get a touchdown until late third quarter. I thought this
was a team without a major flaw, and maybe it's
just energy because they lacked it against Cleveland on the
road where Colin was right. I've said this about Kyle Shanahan.
I predicted the Niners would have a lot of injuries,
and I've said before Kyle is the great quarterback whisperer.
(15:41):
Mac Jones is not only two to zero, they're asking
him to throw as much as Justin Herbert. The dude
has eighty pass attempts in two starts with a wide
receiver corps. That's all banged up, George Kittle banged up.
You didn't say what you want about Kyle Shanahan hasn't
won the big game. Shanahan with quarterbacks. The league had
(16:03):
given up on Mac Jones had given up and that
guy's out there spin at it and two to zero.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Credit to Shanahan.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Where Colin was raw. I have defended CJ. Stroud for
two years. He's twenty ninth in passer rating dating back
to last year. Now, I know the offensive lines not great,
but right now either as the Chargers. I picked the
Texans to win the AFC South. They can't pick up
first downs, they can't run it. Protection's not great right now.
(16:35):
CJ's got more picks than touchdowns, averaging two hundred yards
a game, and Demiko Ryans. I worry about this because
I've said this for years. There's something about defensive head coaches.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And battle lines.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Last two years, they can't get the on line right.
I keep defending him, and I am wrong where Colin
was right. I said Friday Carson Wentz today now is
better than JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
He may not be in six weeks.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, the Vikings defense was great, but I said on
Friday show, Oh, he'll win and he'll be great. JJ
McCarthy looked overwhelmed. Carson Wentz has one hundred and thirty
passer rating yesterday seventy percent completion rate in total control.
The reason I like Carson Wentz is look at the
coaches who like him. Kevin O'Connell liked him, Sean McVay
(17:24):
liked him. He keeps bouncing around to smart offensive coaches.
Carson Wentz was reckless, got banged up, but I will
defend him. I think he's honestly one of the most
talented backup quarterbacks in fact, easily in the National Football League.
And yesterday you can win a bunch of games with
Carson Wentz. And that's staff, those weapons and Brian Florence
(17:46):
where Colin was raw. I gave up on Daniel Jones.
Forget Danny Dimes. He's Danny Dollars. He is dealing a
baby now. He's got a good old line in nice weapons,
but he made plays yesterday. Is he the next Baker?
Is he the next Sam Darnold. I said, give me
a break. He's throwing the ball downfield. This is not
thinking dunk. Danny Dollars was six to nine, ten plus
(18:09):
yards down the field. This isn't a mirage. He's not
fooled anybody. He's making big boy NFL throws. Indy had
their first punt all season, So I mean he's playing
with confidence. Well, he's got Shane Stiken. Shane Stikeen ain't
making the throws. He is making big boy downfield drows.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
And I'm wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Jaden Mayov a USC Is anybody paying attention? Nine tds,
no pick, seventy one percent completion percentage. I don't want
to hear about their schedule. For all the people that
doubt Lincoln Riley, this kid last year was reckless and
out of control. He looks unbelievable. They were missing their
first or second best wide receiver. They lead the nation
in the yards per play, They're a touchdown favorite at Illinois.
(18:53):
This kid has cleaned up his entire game again. Last
year he was young, he was reckless, he kind of
played out of control. I didn't think he was very
good between the hash marks, he is making big time
throws and great decisions.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Coming out of Ohio State, I thought Marvin Harrison was
can't miss, more like can't catch? Is he a bust? Honestly,
I don't know what's happened. He's not separating. They don't
target him. Ten catches three games. I don't know what
it was. I thought he was a guaranteed stud. I
just thought physically he would be a mismatch, but lost confidence.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
They don't target him. I mean he was.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
He was drafted above like Rowandunde and neighbors.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
And I don't see it like.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
At all where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Cade klubnick Ken Clemson quarterback. What happened? I mean, Clemson's
got NFL guys.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
They're one hundred and thirteenth in FCF and scoring offense.
I thought he could be a top two or three quarterback.
Drafted Clemson zero to two in the ACC and they
haven't played Miami yet. They're one and three overall. Fell
into a deep hole against Syracu. I watched this entire game.
I don't know what the problem is. Maybe they should
have gone to the transfer portal. Clemson refuses to do
(20:13):
the nil holding the ball too long. I mean, I
have no idea. It's total regression, lower completion percentage, more interceptions,
fewer yards per game. Nothing looks right. I had a
lot of wrongs this week. I got to own them.
I had a lot of wrongs yesterday, and with that,
(20:34):
Matt Hasselbeck stops by eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Man, I was wrong a lot.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
I like when you admit when you were wrong. It's
just I love the humility.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh well, I don't have it often, but boy, I'm
bringing my fastball today.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I will say this. Listen.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I know it's the bear'sty, the Dallas defense, but here's
what I did. Like, They've got a lot that there's
a lot of people that.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Need to there.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
They've got a Luther Burden and Roma Dunza and Dj
Moore and two tight ends. And I did think there
was a rhythm Matt to the offense. I thought that
a couple drives where it was like the screen game,
the run game. They played the Clockwell, I did sense
a rhythm or is that just Dallas's bad defense.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
It's both, but it was clearly Yeah, rhythm, timing, accuracy.
No sacks is huge. Yeah, good pass protection. This was
easily Caleb Williams's best game as a pro. Easily. It
was fun to watch. If you're a Bears fan, you're like, oh, shoot,
this is sick, Like this is what we could be.
Ben Johnson, I mean he is, like you see why
he was so good in this division going up against
(21:38):
guys like Matt Eberflus, like he knew the division. I
think there is something nice about game planning people that
you actually know, like you know them as well as
they know themselves. You know what they're never going to
change where they're never going to change. But I just
thought it was incredible, you know, and you know, just
you know, Caleb obviously deserves his credit. He did a
really nice job. But guy really wasn't a lot of
contested touchdowns were wide open. Like I don't have like
(22:01):
a nixt gen stats kind of thing on it, but
like usually touchdown passes are hard to come by, you know,
usually guys end up on the ground. A lot of
times these were stand up, nobody near me type touchdowns.
It was an impressive, impressive win for Chicago, and equally
is embarrassing for Dallas. Like if you're Dallas, you're feeling
pretty good last week and now you're kind of like,
(22:23):
who the heck are we?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Like?
Speaker 7 (22:24):
This is? This is embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
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Speaker 1 (22:36):
I want to know though, do players look at it
and think the Bears, I mean, like the Bear players today?
Is it self belief in that locker room? Or is
there a sense Dallas is bad? Like were you ever
on a team that you were struggling to find your footing?
You beat a really bad team, how does that usually
translate the following week? Because they have the very average
(22:57):
Raiders coming up?
Speaker 7 (22:59):
It's too Number one, never apologize for a win. Never,
Like we would say that in every locker room ever,
Like it would just be like, never apologize. I don't
care how bad they were, how much disarray they're in.
It's really hard to get a win. Like, we put
our heart and soul into this thing. We're going to
celebrate it on a Sunday. But now here's the thing.
Win or lose that game plan, that celebration, all of
(23:21):
that that has to just kind of evaporate and go away.
It's like it never happened. You know, maybe there's a
feel good feeling. I think the hard thing after a
win is you've got to correct the things that need
to be corrected. Sometimes in a loss, you know, you
look at everything under a magnifying glass and you're like, okay,
We've got to get a little bit better in the
details here. After a win, sometimes you sweep things under
the rug in terms of like technique or hey, we
(23:44):
got our way with one here, and you don't necessarily
improve as the season's going going on. So I think
they'll be fine. Ben Johnson seems like a little bit
of a workaholic, and I don't think I don't think
he's going to let him off the hook that way.
But I think a game like that for Chicago, with
the scrutiny that their quarterback has been under, is going
to give some confidence to a team that needs a
(24:04):
little bit of confidence.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
One of the things that I don't think we talk
about in the media enough, and I don't think fans
realize it, is that even practice is hard in football.
You know, basketball practice you get a good sweat. Baseball
practice you're in the cage. Football practice you tackle and
get hurt and the weather's off and awful. So in
the NFL, just even when you don't get sacked, but
(24:29):
you get hit and you get hit like justin Herbert
fourteen times and pressured fifty five times. I'm watching Herbert
yesterday and I'm like, I hope people realize what it
is like to play in the game. Forget just the
sacks where you're getting hammered fourteen or fifteen times. I
(24:49):
think if if Harbaugh could go to a lab and
build a quarterback, it would be Justin Herbert. I mean,
when I watched him yesterday, I'm like, do people understand
how often he's get hit?
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Yeah? And I think he would build Andrew Luck. And
I think Justin Herbert has all those qualities that Andrew
Luck had. You know, I think when I think of Harbaugh,
I think of what he did at Stanford, and it
wasn't a pass first offense there either.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
You know.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
It was a hard nosed, physical, inside the tackles running team.
And that's I think the identity that he came in
with last year. And everyone said, oh, you're not using
Justin Herbert enough, he's not throwing the ball enough. And
Harbob basically said, listen, I'm going to get the best
of Justin Herbert by having this philosophy. And now you're
seeing it this year. You're seeing Justin Herbert put the
(25:35):
team on his back, playing like an MVP, making all
world throws in the pocket, feeling healthy enough to do it.
I mean, listen, I'm old enough to remember when this
dude was playing with like broken fingers and all the
broken ribs and all these types of things. Down two
scores in the fourth quarter, still in the game. That's
not a recipe for a long career. It's not a
(25:56):
recipe for playing great in the playoffs. I think Harbaugh
has the vision for what Herbert can be, and everyone's
buying in. Everyone's buying in. I think the opponent is
starting to buy in a little bit too, Like, oh, shoot, man,
this guy is one of the elite quarterbacks. You know,
even when we call the perfect play defensively, he goes
above the x's and o's and makes stuff happen. And
(26:18):
I think that, you know, protecting him a little bit
is a way to unleash him, and I think Harbaugh's
done a great job of it.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You know, I don't know what happened at halftime, because
you guys only have fifteen minutes, and a couple of
those minutes are burned.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
I think it's thirteen, Yeah, it's thirteen minutes, depending on
the stadium.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So Philadelphia trails twenty six to seven. They have minus
one yards passing. They go in for their thirteen quick
minutes as they're drinking gatorade and have an orange license.
They come out and the offense is totally reborn. What
did Philadelphia, in your opinion, do at halftime to literally
rework the entire game plan.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Yeah, one of the biggest things you do at halftime,
as you use the bathroom, sometimes you got to hold
it and like it's tough, you feel a lot better
than the second half. That's a fun fact in case,
in case you wanted to know. But I think the
other thing that can happen is you get a consensus,
you have a short meeting. It's very quick, and sometimes
it can be got that big like you know, waffle
house call sheet looking like thing and you say, hey,
we got to get Aj the ball. They're leaving AJ
(27:20):
one on one backside of three by one formations, meaning
three eligible receivers on one side. Our ex receiver, our
AJ Brown is by himself backside. We got to give
him opportunities. That's what I saw. I saw a team
that came in at halftime and said, hey, AJ needs
to be a part of this. And you know, we've
seen kind of devo receivers like flip out on the
sidelines and that kind of thing over the years. I
(27:43):
don't think that's what we've seen out of aj this year.
He's had a he's kind of had a good in
a good mental state. He's been doing a great job blocking,
and I think that's the better way to handle it
as a talented receiver coming at halftime, be like, hey,
I got my guy. These guys cannot hold me one
on one. And that's what I saw, and that when
AJ Brown is cooking, When AJ Brown is getting opportunities,
(28:03):
the Philly offense unlocks. And you know, the poise and
the demeanor of Jalen Hurts is awesome, but AJ Brown
to me, is the difference maker in a big way
for that for that scheme.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So I picked the Seahawks to be one of my
surprise teams. Like I love the NFL Draft. I thought
they had their third straight excellent draft. But I also
love how they're using Sam Darnold. You know, everybody's like
his JS and and number one. I'm like, yeah, it
looks like to me, and they got this kid, this
fifth round kid.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Out of Colorado State. He looks like he's a big
time player. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I just I watched the speed, I watched the velocity.
I mean that first half yesterday against the Saints matt
it looked like a pro team and a really good
college team like it was. You don't see that in
the NFL very much. Where Seattle had the ball seven
minutes and led thirty eight to six. I think the
Seattle thing, I mean, they blew the Steelers out in Pittsburgh,
(28:58):
and Pittsburgh's now gonna winning record. What do you make
of how they're using Donald?
Speaker 7 (29:04):
Well, I think it was a swing and a miss
week one. You know, Week one, they played the Niners,
and they got away from what they wanted to be.
They became this like drop back, shotgun team without a
full back. And I think Mike McDonald did a good
job of kind of correcting the market a little bit
going into week two. No, no, no, no, that's not
the vision. Here's the vision. I want to be a
downhill play action team. I want to be under center more,
(29:26):
I want to move the pocket. I want to have
a fullback in the game. That's what I want to be.
And here's how it fits with our offense and our
special teams and our defense. And I think message was
heard loud and clear. This is one of the best
offenses the last two weeks. Yesterday was like you said
it was, it was big brother little brother scoring on
special teams. But you know, really, when you look at
the pass protection around Sam Darnald, I think that's the
(29:47):
key for him. And JSN is one of the game's
best receivers that people don't talk about, don't know about.
He kind of had a little bit of a flu
game yesterday where he came out and you know, looked
like Michael Jordan at times. But when offensive line, I mean,
get to fire out and play run action at least
half the time, it helps everything. And I think that's
the thing that some people do well. Some people talk
(30:10):
about it but don't do it as well. Seattle, I
would say week two, in week three, they've figured that out,
and so you know, if you can continue that, I
think that Sam Darnold can have the kind of year
that he had last year. Without Kevin O'Connell, without Justin Jefferson.
He's playing really really good football right now.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
So I do think Worthy and Rashi Rice would help.
But I tend to believe offenses are about the play designer,
the quarterback and the offensive line, and an offensive line
can take an average back and make him a B
plus back. I look at Kansas City and I don't
care if the receivers come back. They can't run the ball.
The pass protection, I don't think Mahomes always trusted. I
(30:51):
think we have to be honest about what Kansas City
is right now. Offensively, I mean, they're like twenty second
in time of possession. I don't think they're going to
be a very good offense. I think they'll get slightly better,
but I mean with Mahomes and Reid, they can't pick
up first downs. I mean, do you think the two
new receivers or the two receivers coming back will make
a huge difference.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
Yeah, I think it'd be a big difference. But you know,
Kansas City almost feels like this this team to me
that they're almost like just like bored right now. It's
almost like, yeah, we're just gonna kind of like like
an NBA team that's just like, yeah, we'll wait till
the playoffs to play our best football. You know, you know,
like that's almost the mindset. Not that they're not trying.
I know that they're trying, but they just seem hout
to sink. I think they're not Like we talked about
all those things earlier, about playing on rhythm and spreading
(31:34):
the ball around and like put helping out the guys
around you in terms of offensive line, They're just doing
what they always did, and they're less talented than they
used to be. You know, injuries are a thing. Age
is a thing. You know, maybe some some of maybe
like people have like figured them out and studied them
a little bit, so they maybe need to get a
little refresher and sometimes they can be their own worst enemy,
(31:56):
like just getting too cute at times. But no, I
think this is a team that'll be relevant at the
end of the year. They just might not get to
play it at Arrowhead, that's all.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
You know.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
They might be a road team the entire playoffs. And
again I think they're They're just one of those teams
that they would be fine with it. They're resilient that way,
and I also would not be surprised to see them
being active at the trade deadline.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, No, I think there's a I think the Rams
need a corner if they want to be you know,
I mean, I think there are some teams that just
need things and you can't solve them in your own camp.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Finally, there's a yeah, there's a you know that I'm
watching the Tyreek Hills situation very closely because if that
team gets really bad, you know, would would that make
sense with Tyreek Hill going back to Kansas City ever
be a thing I'm curious about that that would change
what that offense would look like right away.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Finally, I want to go back to Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I said this last week that I always thought there
were things you could change about a quarterback. You can't
change their size, but you can you can't change certain traits.
And I always said, man, you find these reckless quarterbacks
reckless early, reckless late, like that's the that's some guys
are just just to just play with a chip. They
(33:04):
play a little loose, like Jay Cutler was like, ohways
to me, like big time talent.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
He was gonna throw bad picks.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Philip Rivers did that, and Josh Allen has literally eliminated
like his flaw. And I don't know who to give
credit for, but the fact in his last twelve games
he's got thirty touchdowns and one pick. I don't think
I've ever seen anything like that. Well, what do you
make of it?
Speaker 7 (33:29):
He's incredible. I mean every single year, at the end
of the year, you could point to this is the
thing that he's improved on. I think he deserves a
lot of credit, but I think the coaches as well,
like he was reckless with his body and reckless with
the ball at the beginning of his career. Then he
became just reckless with his body and less reckless with
the ball. Now I don't think he's reckless at all, hardly.
And I think what they've done is they've said, Okay,
(33:50):
you want to be crazy, you know, with your scrambles
and all this kind of stuff, Let's do some design
quarterback runs. Let's run you know, like we're faking into
the running back but you're actually reading it. And then
let's run counter pulling the guard, pulling the tackle, and
it's quarterback run game. It's a lot of college run game.
But it's almost like they're saying, hey, you get your six, seven,
(34:10):
eight yards and get down, or at least like as
a quarterback. I know this from from personal experience. When
you know the hits coming, it's not nearly as bad.
It's it's when you don't know that it's coming that
that's kind of where injuries can happen. So I think
there's like a little bit more design in a little
bit more structure to him as as sort of like
being reckless quote unquote, like it's almost like the illusion
(34:33):
of reckless, but it's really within the play design. And
I just think he's been he's been awesome. Teammates love him,
the stadium loves him, you know all those things. I
think the opponent fears him. I think it's really cool
to see, you know, he is definitely on the Mount Rushmore,
on the podium, whatever you want to say with the
top quarterbacks in the game right now.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Good stuff as always, Matt Hasselbeck, my friend, thanks on
a Monday for stopping by see Kohin.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, it's uh. It was the nuttiest day all week.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Jmack kept telling me Atlanta looks tasty, and I said,
J Mack, I can show you receipts of thirty years
betting the Falcons. And but there were some genuine surprises.
I mean, green Bay with extra prep to lose at
Cleveland is a job dropper and in the.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Box almost squandering.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
A lead six leagues at home with Baker I mean,
now we had one major upset, we almost had four other.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Ones major Colin, let me give you the list of
quarterbacks who threw for under two hundred yards yesterday. Matthew Stafford,
Jordan Love, Russell Wilson, Kyler, Murray bo Nix, Aaron Rodgers,
Bryce Young threw for one hundred and twenty one yards
and one thirty to nothing yesterday.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Was crazy. Nothing's making sense. How is Stafford held to
two hundred yards?
Speaker 7 (35:57):
I don't really understand.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
What's interesting is I mean, when they came, they had
a chance to seal that game. Pooka dropped the touchdown.
It wasn't easy, no, no, no, not easy, but he
dropped that and then you think, okay, they'll get a
field goal and it got blocked and that was the game. Like,
if you're on the road against Philadelphia, you got to
make one of those two. You either got to make
the field goal or you got to catch the touchdown.
(36:18):
And when they missed both, I was like, okay, okay,
you cannot do that against Philadelphia because Philadelphia in the
second half, I mean you saw it, they just decided
we're going to go to AJ Brown and the Rams
don't have the personnel to stop that.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
So do you still trade aj Brown if you're the
Eagles or do you just hold on to them?
Speaker 7 (36:36):
What's the move here?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I pulled that take over to a rest area. I'm
gonna get a dunkin Donuts. We'll wait a little bit
on that.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's good.
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