September 22, 2025 • 38 mins
The Chicago Bears finally notch their first win of the NFL season — and Colin Cowherd breaks down why he's beginning to believe in the growing chemistry between rookie quarterback Caleb Williams and new head coach Ben Johnson
He gives his thoughts to the Rams losing to the Eagles and why they need to make a move before the trade deadline
The Jim Harbaugh-Just Herbert combo is working quite well so far this season
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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on Monday.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
What a crazy, crazy Sunday of NFL football. Carson Wentz,
Marcus Mariona chopping it out. What is it twenty seventeen,
We are live. It's The Herd one hour from now.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, plenty of both.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Jmack.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
All the years I've been watching football, there has never
been a Sunday like that. Ever been a Sunday like that.
Seven games had winning scores in the last three minutes.
That's the most in forty eight years, and most went
the opposite way of how you thought they would end up.
That was easily in my adult life the weirdest Sunday.
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Tampa Bay led like what was it, twenty three to
six at home with a better quarterback in the fourth
quarter and needed a walk off kick to win over
the awful Jets.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, Falcons every week, heart attack in the final seconds.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Oh my god. So let's start with the Bears.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Caleb Williams Ben Johnson beat the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Two things were abundantly clear.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Number one that Ben Jonson the coach and Caleb Williams
the quarterback, had some real harmony. They finally found a rhythm.
We've been waiting for that. A couple of great drives,
and the first half start of the third eight different
players saw the ball. The screen game was working, creativity, structure,
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the run game. In fact, over the course of the game,
there were twenty eight pass attempts. There were twenty nine
rush attempts. This team has tons of offensive talent, Caleb Williams, structure, creativity. Now,
Caleb can be more accurate throwing it downfield that he
can on a six yard out. But it was it
was rhythm. And that's what I said, I don't need
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to win progress advancement. Can you show me rhythm outside
of the first drive. So that was abundantly clear. They
found some of that. Imperfect, but they found it. The
second thing that is abundantly clear is Mike is gone
in Dallas's defense, is absolutely atrocious.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It is awful.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I don't know how Cole Comet and Dj Moore can
get that open in the end zone, Like I don't
know on third down, they can't get anybody off the field.
Matt eber Flus got completely worked by the guy that
replaced him, Ben Johnson. Dallas is bad, and so there's
two things. Dallas made Russell Wilson look like Seahawks. Russell
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Wilson and Caleb Williams got loose. And again I said,
we said on this show, it's just you gotta get
away from the W's. They don't have the Packers talent
or Detroit's. They're not going to be the Eagles of
the Rams. But let's put it in proper context. You
saw something like pass run screen game. It's not a
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lack of talent. They got talent. I didn't need a win,
move the football. I didn't see a sack. There were
no sacks. It was layered. They were better on third
down and the trick plays. They hit the open guys.
Now I still think Caleb, I don't know if it's mechanics, anxiety,
or he's rushing it. He can dirt balls from five
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feet away, drives Ben Johnson. Crazy coaches, design plays, the clever,
creative ones. Even their trick play wasn't smooth. It worked.
The Cowboys, you know, weren't covering it. But Caleb's got
a power arm. He's a remarkable athlete. This is a
really smart, structured coach who puts all sorts of creativity
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in it. And so I got everything. I got Ben's creativity,
I got Caleb's horsepower. It worked at least it worked
against Dallas.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
But that's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I had said, opening up with Brian Flores and then
facing Detroit in Detroit off a blowout lost to Green Bay,
that is a tough opening act. When you're just learning
a new system. It's okay to occasionally get a bad defense.
There's about fifteen of them in the NFL. But when
you get a bad defense, you have to make the
most of it. And I thought Chicago at home did.
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I thought they got momentum, they were creative, and it
wasn't perfect. Ben Johnson wears his emotions on his face.
You can see when he's upset, but balance clever, creative
power running.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I liked it. Here was Ben.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
After It'll be fun for tonight and then we're onto
the next one. You know, we're behind the eight ball
here for one and two and we got to get
back to five hundred here.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's early, but we got get the issues fixed.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And I thought those guys were committed to that here
this week, and we had a good week of preparation
and they came out and they played inspired football today,
and so good things happened. When you're playing hard, you're
playing physical, and you're playing for the guy next to you,
and I thought that's what happened here today.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay, so Brian Flores, that was tough. And then the
ticked off Lions on the road that was brutal, awful.
Dallas rolled. Okay, now here come the Raiders, a team
that's not very good. The quarterback will give you the
ball back and then it's a bye. So we said
it was a rough opening act. As you remember in
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the preseason. Now you don't take a lot of snaps.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It was bound.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We told you one of our favorite bets that week
was Minnesota playing Chicago. Detroit was a rough spot, but
they took care of business. They should beat the Raiders
who are trying to find their way. Then they get
a bye. It's a little early than you want to buy.
But you got the Saints on the schedule, You're gonna
have the Bengals without Joe Burrow. You've got the awful
Giants at home at Minnesota. We don't know what they are,
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Pittsburgh at home. There's some wins here. Nine and eight
is optimistic, but you have to take care of the tear.
You gotta take care of the games you should win.
And it was pretty clear yesterday between Caleb and Ben
and the playmakers, you got to win that game. And
they did comfortably. That's progress, okay. In one of the
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weirdest games ever, the Rams dominate Philadelphia in the first half,
and then Nick Sirianni, I've never been the biggest fan,
had to go in at halftime and make adjustments and
he did and the adjustment was just pass the ball
to AJ Brown. So the Rams match up well with Philadelphia.
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We've seen it the last two times they play, except
two areas. They don't have big, physical corners and AJ
Brown can eat them alive. They didn't draft one. It
was a surprise they should have. The Rams have smaller
corners and they do not match up with AJ Brown
at all. Ten targets, six catches most yards all season.
He just tossing guys like Creuton's in a salad bowl.
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The second problem the Rams have They're not very good
at center. They had a backup right guard h oh.
Between Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis. The Eagles have the
best interior d line I mean, honestly by a long
shot in the NFL. Well, it's not a position of
strength for the Rams. We saw it last year when
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Jalen Carter blew up the Rams offense in the snow
to seal a Philly win. And we saw yesterday two
block kicks. Then on a fourth and one the Rams
try to run and went backwards. So between aj Brown
manipulating the smaller Ram corners and the Rams inability to
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block two great interior defensive linemen for Philadelphia, they're not
beating this team unless they make a move in my opinion,
at the trade deadline. And I know, I know all
that you are saying this morning, Hey, Carl, I thought
Jalen Hurts wasn't good from the pocket. Well, he had
minus one passing yards in the first half. It was embarrassing.
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And Jalen has these abs where he looks like he
does not know what he's doing. Butt to Nick Sirianni's credit,
Sirianni listens to his players and relates to his players,
and they went in at half and figured it out,
get the ball to AJ Brown. So nobody in this
league wins as imperfectly as the Eagles. I mean, Sean
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McVay does not lose ten point leads. He never loses
twenty six to seven. Matt Stafford missed a couple of
open receivers, but for Sean McVay to lose a game
leading twenty six to seven, that just doesn't happen. Philadelphia's
defense is very good, but it was those blocked kicks
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and the fourth and one that was the difference. So
between AJ Brown and the defensive interior line of the Eagles,
the Rams do not match up with Philadelphia in those
two spots. So Nick Seriani and Jalen Hurts deserve a
ton of credit for the second half. And AJ Brown,
who is an insane talent.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
They're listen.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
He matches up well against almost everybody, but against the Rams.
I'm surprised it took halftime regrouping to figure it out.
They can't they can't stop him. There's nothing they can do.
He's a terrible matchup for them. And here's aja after
I truly.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Believe, man, we got so many good players on this team,
you know, and and at times, you know, you can
feel like we're being conservative and and uh, I don't
think it. I don't think it should be like that.
You know, I think it should. You know, let's your
lets your killers do do the thing, you know, and uh,
and play fast and play aggressive. You know, we have
a lot of good players, and and and I feel
like you just let it go, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So I know, so head it is, it's going to
be like that. I will say, it is the craziest
day I've ever seen. I've never seen a game like that.
I officially, I'm just not going to count that Rams
loss on the Blazing five. It never existed. I'm just
not counting it. I don't care that hurt. It would
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be nice if in the history of the show, I
could ever win a game like that. But then again,
Jmack had the Falcons over Caroline.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It was thirty nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So I mean, listen, it was a bad day, But
I want to let you listen to the Eagle Radio
Network on the block kick that ended up sealing it
for the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
They blooked the blest, the bullet spunted. The kick is blocking,
it's blocked. It's booked up by the Eagles. Look the
news Davis thirty twenty ten. Fine touchdown gave over.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I mean you could say it was bad luck. It wasn't.
They did it twice. They blew them up on the
fourth and one. They did it last year in the
NFC Divisional round. Like the Rams can't block the Eagles
interior studs, they can't block them. I mean, now, fourth
and one wasn't even close. So halfs off to Philadelphia,
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which I mean they listen. Part of football is finding
the liability of the team. You face, it took them
a half, but the Rams can't block their interior and
they can't cover Aj Brown into the Philly their credit,
they discovered it, lean into it and won.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
J Mack. That was nuts.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
What is a just a nutty day?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
By the way, not only did I have the Falcons,
those losers that you tried to steer me off of,
I had the Tennessee Titans who got their doors blown off. However,
they have a quarterback who's underutilized and played in Kansas
City and was awesome and could match up with AJ Brown.
His name is Lagerius Snead. I wonder if you could
put in a call to your guy less Snead with
the Rams and say, hey, do you want to kick
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the tires on? And the Titans aren't going anywhere? I
was way wrong about them, dude, Dode. I mean, you
got to make a move. The Rams have a Super
Bowl team, do you go look for a corner on
the market.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
All right?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Last year the Washington got Lattimore from the Saints. They
got to the NFC Championship, So I think it's worth
making a move.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
No, I think the Rams at the trade deadline they
have got to get at least one big, physical corner
because it was a mismatch.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It wasn't like AJ Brown had separated.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
He was just bigger and stronger than all the Rams
smaller talented corners. So it was a surprise the Rams
didn't draft a corner. I mean that was one of
their draft needs and they didn't use any pick on
a corner, and it's like.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Oh man, this is really showing up.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Okay, coming up next, the world's greatest football coach, Jim
Harball pulled it off again, and I want to talk
about that next.
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Speaker 1 (14:13):
Of the many amazing moments, it was the Chargers win
over Denver twenty three to twenty so as the Chiefs
were stumbling and bumbling to a win over the New
York Giants. Harbaugh and Herbert have officially taken over the
AFC West three and zero all division wins. And yesterday
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the Chargers had every reason to lose Denver's great pass rush.
The Chargers were missing multiple offensive linemen. Khalil Max still
not there, Najie Harris got hurt, they fumbled the opening
kickoff in the third, They were less rested because they
played in a short week, and yet Harbaugh and Herbert
found a way. Justin Herbert got hammered. He got hit
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fourteen times. That is a most. And the Chargers over
the last twenty years have had some bad old lines.
That is the most a Charger quarterback has been hit
in twenty years. In fact, Justin Herbert was pressured on
fifty five percent of his throws. He threw forty nine times.
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He was pressured in over half, the most Justin Herbert's
ever been pressured in his career.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And yet this kid is.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Extending plays, getting attacked, getting hammered. He leaves the NFL
right now in three hundred and ten yards passing per game,
and we're still not sure if Quinton Johnson's any good.
And Keenan Allen, who's had four major surgeries. I mean,
if you don't get Justin Herbert's greatness, you literally do
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not understand football. There were seven reasons they should have
lost that game, and yet the greatest coach in the
history of football, Jim Harbaugh, pulled him through. And if
he went to a lab to create a quarterback, it
would be Herbert. It's the perfect quarterback for him. Tough, physical, smart,
willing to be coached, relentless. There have been great matches
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in America Simon and Garfunkel, Jordan and pippittt Abbott and Costello,
Peanut Butter and Jelly, Penn and teller Segfried and Roy
none are better than Herbert and Harbaugh. A love story
that's gonna keep going for the next decade. There was
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a dozen reasons they should have lost, forget six, and
they found a way to win on a day that
justin Herbert had to carry his team. Here's Jim Harbaugh
still in awe of it after it was over.
Speaker 9 (16:54):
There's almost something about him, I mean that takes that hit.
I mean, there's no face express expression that changes. There's
no there's no limp, there's no you know, doesn't grab.
It's like it didn't even happen, but it there's some
in his competitive fired almost it just motivates him even more.
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It even it even takes them to another notch. You
know whatever fill in the blank is happening. I mean
it's he's I mean, he's one of one that I've
ever seen at the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You can have Simon and Garfunkel, I will take Herbert
and Harball. He leads the NFL and wins in total
yards per game and for the last twenty games. Haven't
we all said, man, if they only had one big
time receiver, now they don't have Nausee Harris backups playing
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backups on the old line against the Denver pass rush
that is as gnarly as any in the league. I mean,
they were on a short week. They fumbled the opening
kickoff in the third man. If you don't get the
Justin Herbert thing, I can't help you. There are some
things you just got to be able to see. Before
he hoists a trophy, you got to understand how great
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that is. I mean, I keep saying it. The size
of the quarterback matters. Did you see how many times
Justin Herbert got hit yesterday? Fourteen times, the most in
two decades for a Charger quarterback. I mean, I'm telling you,
for years, they've always had the coolest NFL uniforms. Now
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they got the coolest quarterback and the coolest coach. Unbelievable,
a game almost everybody else in the league would have lost.
Here's j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
No, no turn on the news. This is the herd
line news.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
All right, con let's start with the Green Bay Packers.
I think you had them high up in your herd hierarchy.
I forget if it was they were one or what,
but listen, they're up ten to nothing with like five
minutes left in the game.
Speaker 10 (19:04):
And they blow it Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Now, he tried to warn you, yes, this.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Was a look aheads you did. I wouldn't bet it,
and you told me. You said it Tuesday, you said,
don't touch this.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, but even I was like afraid to go heavy
on the Browns. They come back win it just miraculous
turn of events in Cleveland.
Speaker 10 (19:23):
They were celebrating like they if it won the show.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah they should. Michael Parsons was disappointed after the loss.
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 11 (19:32):
It's just reality. It happens to the best teams, you know.
I mean even the best Super Bowl chance make mistakes
and they they paid for early.
Speaker 12 (19:42):
I mean you go back to the history of the
champions and who they played in games they should have won.
It's just part of me and that's what it's that competitive.
It is that hard to him, as hard as hell
to win football games.
Speaker 11 (19:53):
So you learn football games. It's a celebration when you
lose this ups.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, I mean I remember years ago Brat going to
Cleveland and getting hammered. I think Cleveland had like Peyton
hillis that running back and it was a really good
New England team went to Cleveland and just got destroyed.
It happens. I mean I always say this, they led
ten to nothing, Jordan Love had a bad pick.
Speaker 10 (20:15):
Well wait, wait, hold on, they just showed it.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Colin. That's an inexplicable pick on third down? What are
you doing deep in your own end? Like I mean,
it was that's amateur hour stuff. Then they get the
ball back and you're like, okay, we got this. They're
gonna kick the field goal and it gets blocked, which.
Speaker 10 (20:30):
Was like the theme of football.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Ye I mean, if you're gonna if you're in this,
this could very well be a blip. And like you
can go back to almost all great teams and they've
had a horrible Sunday and it was I don't know
if it's as we move into the fall and then
is the moisture in the air happening?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
But in the history of this league, there has never
been a special team's day like yesterday ever. I mean,
it's just it was one of those like I just
I don't I have to drop him in the herd hierarchy.
I can't punish Green Bay that much because I this
is the difference between pro and college football. This is
the difference where great teams. Last year, the Chiefs scheduled
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the Super Bowl, Raiders should have beaten them twice. I mean,
that's just the way the league operates.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
So Interestingly, a lot of good quarterbacks had under two
hundred yards passing yesterday, and I think there's like an
epidemic happening with defenses have kind of started to solve.
We're not giving you the big play, we're not giving
you the bomb. Nobody's getting it. Go ahead and matriculate
down the field. We double dog dare you and Jordan
Love couldn't really do it. He wasn't good. Now, his
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offensive line got banged up. Yes, they lost one guy
on the first step of the game.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
He got let me say there were two at least
two times maybe three that Jordan Love I mean crumpled
like a deck chair like he got hammered multiple times.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Josh Jacobs had like thirty yards on fifteen k.
Speaker 10 (21:52):
You couldn't do it anything. It was offensive offense.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Now, the good news is they get right against Dallas
next week. Now, Colin this line, we don't have it
on the screen. The Packers are gonna hammer them. I'm sorry.
Seventeen no, no, no, no, no, nothing crazy like that.
That's the Bills Saints game. But I just I think
they're gonna get right next week. Let's not panic about
the Brown, about the Packers. Next up, Colin, Let's go
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to the New York Giants. They played on Sunday Night Football.
It was borderline unwatchable. Russell Wilson, I don't know what
he was thinking. He was getting booed off the field,
two terrible interceptions. Dabele did bring in Dart Jackson. Dart
the rookie for three plays, and then he yanked him
and he would go right back to Russ and the
crowd was booing.
Speaker 10 (22:36):
Anyway, here's day ball.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
After the game, I'd be going too, to be honest
with you, in terms of not being good enough, no,
not scoring, not finishing, I understand.
Speaker 10 (22:46):
That that's that's a nature of it.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
We got to be better overall offensivelye Connor was nothing
was was good enough.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Coaching playing, Yeah, didn't do a good enough job, everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Daniel Jones is lighting the league up, having left the
Giants and going to the Colts. Now, the Colts, I've
been arguing this for a year and a half two years.
The Colts roster just needed a quarterback. They have excellent
O line, star running back, star tight end, three different receivers.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I like so the Colts.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's why with Anthony Richards and you're like, bro, I'm
watching these games. They got good players, Chris Ballard's built
a very good roster. Their offensive line is excellent. But
that does it makes the Giants look like they don't
know what they're doing. When the quarterback leaves you and
is now six of nine throwing the ball down the
field like big Big throws down field Daniel Jones is playing.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I am shocked by what I'm watching.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
The Giants host the Chargers in Week four. Harball Herbert
jesse Minter really good defensive coordinator. He is gonna confound Russ.
I don't know if I want toss Jackson Dart out there.
By the way, your guy Andrew Thomas take a guest
hurt again? I mean I couldnot stay healthy. We didn't
even mention the Chiefs in this. Did you think the
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Chiefs look good?
Speaker 10 (24:07):
Colin?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
No, the Chiefs aren't good.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
The Chiefs are unwatchable. Just FYI to folks.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Final story, Colin, Now this guy deserves a lot of flowers.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
And his name is Baker Mayfield because.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
All he does is win games in the final seconds.
Three straight victories with game winning drives and the final
seconds to win football games. This guy is clutch man.
I don't know what else to say about him. He
beat my Jets. Jets had a spirit to come back
and did cover the spread, but Tampa is three and
ohero And afterward Baker said this one was low personal.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
You know what it's like to go up against teams
they can played for I think was it for you
guys to get the victory? For him?
Speaker 13 (24:46):
I loved it.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
And it's also their decordinator was the one that cut
me in Carolina, So it was a lot of stuff
was personal or the son Reddick, former Jet, a lot
of people.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You know, Here's the thing about Baker.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Is he he almost plays better when the chips are
against him.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
He gets amped up.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But it's funny in that game because Tampa totally controlled
the game and then the inept Jets boom boom boom,
and you're like, what is And I was sitting there
watching and I'm like, only on this day, but we've
said this about Baker Mayfield before, and he had a
couple of really nice scrambles. We've said it about Baker before,
when you allow him to plant a foot, dude throws
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one of the best balls in the league. And he
is such a good fit in Tampa. I don't know.
I mean, I think you said it last week, and
I think you're right. He has moved himself consistently into
the top ten quarterbacks in this league. He's a franchise quarterback.
Well that part's obvious, but I mean, eventually you find
your way in this league. Sam Darnold, Carson Wentz look good.
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If you're a good guy, you work hard, you'll you'll
get more opportunities. And Baker has totally taken advantage of him.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Now, Mike Evans got a hamstring injury late and I
saw that did not finish the game. That would be
bad news against the Eagles next week. And you know
the Eagles historically have struggled against Todd Bowles. This is
that's a great game next week, Bucks Eagles.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Jmack with the News. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So you know, I always people always say Colin, give
my team credit. That's what Visa does or MasterCard. I'm
not in the credit business. I've been saying this. I'm
in the honesty business. Pittsburgh did not win yesterday. New
England lost the game. New England was a better team.
I mean I looked. I went and looked after the
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game yesterday at the box score. I mean New England
had thirty percent more first downs, almost double the yards,
dominated time of possession. I mean the Steelers even had
more penalties. It's the same team that went oh and
five down the stretch. They can't run the ball, protection,
sketchy old quarterback, doesn't move well. Expensive defense that for
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some reason feels very vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
And I said it last week.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
You're gonna beat Jake Browning, You're gonna beat Joe Flacco,
You're probably gonna beat Drake May. New England gave the
game away five turnovers, dumb penalties, an awful interception right here,
just a terrible throw. So you know, this is the
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same team Pittsburgh that went on a five game skit
at the end of last year. I mean, they got
five turnovers and all their possessions without that, and they
scored three touchdowns. So New England's young. They make a
lot of mistakes. They've got to lose a lot of
new personnel. They're not very good. But I can't give
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the Steeters credit on this because I'm here to be honest,
and I don't think Pittsburgh very good. I thought they
were totally outplayed. And I mean again, everybody's going crazy
because Aaron's breaking records, and he deserves credit because I've
always thought he was better than Brett Farve. Top to
bought him anyway, but with quarterbacks in the NFL with
at least twenty attempts, Aaron's dead last in air yards
per completion. It is a bink and dunk offense that
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can't run the ball. And listen, you get you get
credit in this league for winning games when you're playing
terribly and and and and the Steelers are going to
go if you look at their schedule, who's coming up next,
it's you know Flacco, and it's it's Jake Browning. They're
going to be five and one and the fans are
going to be going crazy. But they have fewer offensive
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yards than Detroit and the Lions don't play until tonight.
They've only played two games, so I I mean, I
looked at the just the box score, if you would
have not watched this game, you would have thought New
England only won, that they blew them out. So uh,
I mean they forced forced five turnovers. Mike Tomlin said,
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I like that.
Speaker 14 (28:59):
That's why we spend as much time practicing down in
that space as we do as a collective. We got
to be great on defense in an effort to win
the point swing, we got to be great on offense.
And when you take the ball away man, you get
all seven points. Usually you're fighting for four. It cannot
be going the way you desire. But you better have
enough emotion, you better have enough belief, you better state
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a course in an effort to do it.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I feel like I been watching the exact same Steeler
team for five years. Quarterbacks past their prime. They can't
run pass protectionist sketch. They're loose on the details that
they kind of figure out a way. Their defense isn't
as good as what they pay for it, but they
kind of figure out a way to beat the bad teams.
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And this league's got about sixty percent bad teams. And
here's Mike Vrabel on the turnovers that killed his young team.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
We don't need to learn a lesson.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
We just have to.
Speaker 15 (29:58):
I give them so many chances with turnovers, take care
of those things, and you know there's a lot to
clean up, a lot of good in there, but unfortunately,
just not enough to get us to win.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I'll give Rabel credit, he's not necessarily barking at his players.
He knows what he has. He can see all the
mistakes the youth. But I can't just say every team
that one deserve to win. Like there are weeks. I mean,
Philadelphia trailed twenty six to seven, but they dominate the
second half, and they earned those block kicks. The Eagles
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earned that stop on fourth and one of the Eagles
deserve to win that game. I mean, they dominate the
second half and Tampa Bay had they lost, well, it
would have been their fault. I mean, Jets scored three
quick touchdowns boom boom, boom. But in this instance, it
was just a young team making mistakes with penalties and turnovers.
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But you know they won. In Pittsburgh, they're celebrating. I
can't give you too many flowers on that. It is
a very That offense is a water pistol. There's just
not a lot there. Aaron made a couple of nice throws.
He and DK Metcalf have some symmetry there at works.
You deserve credit for that. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. Top
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of our number two, Matt Hasselbeck stops by. He's going
to talk all about the Chicago Bears, among other teams. Tonight,
Ravens Lions. We like Baltimore. Baltimore at home against an
NFC team usually turns out well.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
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Speaker 3 (31:34):
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Speaker 1 (31:55):
You know, as the Bears finally unleash their offense, there
are challenges this offense has, and it here's the thing
about the Bears offense, that's it's a little bit of
a good problem to have. They may not quite be
Green Bay in terms of running back, tight end, wide receiver,
youthful talent, but they got a lot of it, Roma Dunze,
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Luther Burden, Colston Loveland, Cole Kmet still young, Like, the
Bears have a lot of offensive talent eight youngest offense
in the league and that includes Caleb Williams. So I
mean they Colston Loveland's only got three catches in three games.
I mean, Luther Burden is a twitchy burner. He only
have five catches in three games. He had three of
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them yesterday. So DeAndre Swift got loose yesterday. They're getting
him the ball about thirteen fourteen to fifteen times a game.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
But Dj Moore there's a touchdown, but he kind of disappeared.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So their issue.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I mean, they have put the resources through trades and
through draft capital. They have real offensive talent. So when
Ben Johnson sometimes it feels like he moves away from.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
The run game.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
And they went and bought between Drew Dolman and Joe
Tooney an upgrade at the interior offensive line. They've got
a lot of weapons here. I mean there's a lot
of teams in the NFL, in fact, most that don't
have nearly as good a weapon. They have two legitimate
tight ends. I mean, I think Roma Dunza's becoming a star.
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Rama Dunze's outstanding. He's overshadowed DJ Moore Swift. We said
this when they acquired him. Swift's are really good running back,
so they had eight different guys catch it. You have
a creative offensive coach, all sorts of weapons at tight
end and wide receiver. The backups are more than capable,
and a horse power at quarterback with a big arm
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that moves well, and upgrades on the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So this thing is going now.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It may just be against bad defenses, but when you
watch Chicago play, they're.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Not throwing the same guy over and over.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I mean, you watch the Chargers, it feels like on
big downs they're going to Conky or Keenan Allen. You
kind of know where it's going. You don't know where
it's going with this team. So they got players a
lot of players on the offensive side. And here's Caleb
after the win.
Speaker 13 (34:12):
We have so many guys that care about us as teammates,
but also just us as winning. We always felt that
our hard work, our preparation, you know, the long drive drill,
the two minutes, the you know, the the moments, the
four minutes, you know, the situational third downs, all of
those things that you know those are gonna come.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Again.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I'm not saying this is gonna happen, but as Rome
Adunze sort of emerges, I don't know what you do
with DJ Moore? Could could you move a Dj Moore?
The trade deadline is gonna be very interesting. I mean
the Rams have specific needs. Uh, you know there's gonna
be some good teams that I mean, what do you
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do with you're the Raiders. I mean you're gonna try
to catch Harball and Mahomes and Sean Payton and Denver.
You start looking around and moving some of your better pieces.
It's fascinating what's going to happen here. But the Bears
offensive talent and maybe it'll just be against the bad offenses.
They got dudes, they got tight ends backs, a quarterback
that moves, they got wide receivers, young veteran guys, they
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got players. So it's kind of the opposite with Kansas City.
And because they were so dynamic offensively for years, you
forget that Kansas City has been winning despite their offense.
In fact, Cam's Kataboo was the most entertaining offensive player
on the field last night by a long shot. So
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there's no doubt that Kansas City's offense should get slightly
better when Xavier Worthy returns, and it should get slightly
better when Rashie Rice returns. But they played together last
year for three or four games, and they weren't great then.
So the Chiefs offense feels a lot like an old pitcher.
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It's lost about five miles an hour off his fastball
three straight seasons where the offense has regressed. Right now,
the offense is blow to New York Jets. I'm not joking,
So I'm not going to get into talking about the Giants.
They're not worth the airtime. But you got to trust
your eyes on this. You start looking at this offense.
And here's my concern if I'm a Chiefs fan, because
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the time of possession for Kansas City's offense is twenty second, Well,
that means your defense is on the field, and the
longer your defense is on the field, the more your
defense gets banged up.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
So if they can.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Get Worthy and Rashi Rice back here collectively in the
next three weeks, maybe they can improve and get their
time of possession to fourteenth or fifteenth or thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
From near the bottom, because the more your defense is
on the field, the more your defensive players are going
to get banged up. The best thing going for the
Chiefs right now is that Denver is finding ways to
lose games they have a chance to win. But for
the last six or seven years, it's felt like the
AFC had this trifecta at the top of Chiefs, Ravens Bills,
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And right now it feels like Josh Justin and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So and it's struggling with Andy Reid, the great play
designer of my life. Can you imagine what this offense
looks like with Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And Andy Reid. It is a water pistol with these guys.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
And they have one first half touch down, twenty second
in time of possession, and I mean they have halves
and quarters that are ugly.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Seeing around the league like some of the star receivers
are getting held down. You gotta find number two options
number three. This kid Thornton looks okay for Kansas City
with this.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Kansas City has had eight red zone possessions this year.
Max Jones and the Niners have had eleven, and that
was a Rock fight with Arizona yesterday.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Again, this is not bashing Kansas City, Colin. They got
the Ravens up next.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Now, maybe the Ravens get caught napping tonight and they're
looking ahead to the Chiefs and want to kill them,
you know, because they've been destroyed by the Chiefs every post.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
That's why the line tonight is fairly.
Speaker 10 (38:18):
Who's been in the line. I don't see it, but.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Well, I think every week Baltimore plays Kansas City next week,
and that's been the one.
Speaker 10 (38:25):
That the Packers let down late late in the game.
We got Dallas.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
It's a real thing. I don't buy into it on
Monday night. That'll feel special in a smaller market Baltimore.
So I like the Ravens tonight, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
What a crazy, crazy Sunday of NFL football. Carson Wentz,
Marcus Mariona chopping it out. What is it twenty seventeen,
We are live. It's The Herd one hour from now.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, plenty of both.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Jmack.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
All the years I've been watching football, there has never
been a Sunday like that. Ever been a Sunday like that.
Seven games had winning scores in the last three minutes.
That's the most in forty eight years, and most went
the opposite way of how you thought they would end up.
That was easily in my adult life the weirdest Sunday.
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Tampa Bay led like what was it, twenty three to
six at home with a better quarterback in the fourth
quarter and needed a walk off kick to win over
the awful Jets.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, Falcons every week, heart attack in the final seconds.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Oh my god. So let's start with the Bears.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Caleb Williams Ben Johnson beat the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Two things were abundantly clear.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Number one that Ben Jonson the coach and Caleb Williams
the quarterback, had some real harmony. They finally found a rhythm.
We've been waiting for that. A couple of great drives,
and the first half start of the third eight different
players saw the ball. The screen game was working, creativity, structure,
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the run game. In fact, over the course of the game,
there were twenty eight pass attempts. There were twenty nine
rush attempts. This team has tons of offensive talent, Caleb Williams, structure, creativity. Now,
Caleb can be more accurate throwing it downfield that he
can on a six yard out. But it was it
was rhythm. And that's what I said, I don't need
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to win progress advancement. Can you show me rhythm outside
of the first drive. So that was abundantly clear. They
found some of that. Imperfect, but they found it. The
second thing that is abundantly clear is Mike is gone
in Dallas's defense, is absolutely atrocious.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It is awful.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I don't know how Cole Comet and Dj Moore can
get that open in the end zone, Like I don't
know on third down, they can't get anybody off the field.
Matt eber Flus got completely worked by the guy that
replaced him, Ben Johnson. Dallas is bad, and so there's
two things. Dallas made Russell Wilson look like Seahawks. Russell
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Wilson and Caleb Williams got loose. And again I said,
we said on this show, it's just you gotta get
away from the W's. They don't have the Packers talent
or Detroit's. They're not going to be the Eagles of
the Rams. But let's put it in proper context. You
saw something like pass run screen game. It's not a
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lack of talent. They got talent. I didn't need a win,
move the football. I didn't see a sack. There were
no sacks. It was layered. They were better on third
down and the trick plays. They hit the open guys.
Now I still think Caleb, I don't know if it's mechanics, anxiety,
or he's rushing it. He can dirt balls from five
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feet away, drives Ben Johnson. Crazy coaches, design plays, the clever,
creative ones. Even their trick play wasn't smooth. It worked.
The Cowboys, you know, weren't covering it. But Caleb's got
a power arm. He's a remarkable athlete. This is a
really smart, structured coach who puts all sorts of creativity
(04:01):
in it. And so I got everything. I got Ben's creativity,
I got Caleb's horsepower. It worked at least it worked
against Dallas.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
But that's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I had said, opening up with Brian Flores and then
facing Detroit in Detroit off a blowout lost to Green Bay,
that is a tough opening act. When you're just learning
a new system. It's okay to occasionally get a bad defense.
There's about fifteen of them in the NFL. But when
you get a bad defense, you have to make the
most of it. And I thought Chicago at home did.
(04:33):
I thought they got momentum, they were creative, and it
wasn't perfect. Ben Johnson wears his emotions on his face.
You can see when he's upset, but balance clever, creative
power running.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I liked it. Here was Ben.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
After It'll be fun for tonight and then we're onto
the next one. You know, we're behind the eight ball
here for one and two and we got to get
back to five hundred here.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's early, but we got get the issues fixed.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And I thought those guys were committed to that here
this week, and we had a good week of preparation
and they came out and they played inspired football today,
and so good things happened. When you're playing hard, you're
playing physical, and you're playing for the guy next to you,
and I thought that's what happened here today.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay, so Brian Flores, that was tough. And then the
ticked off Lions on the road that was brutal, awful.
Dallas rolled. Okay, now here come the Raiders, a team
that's not very good. The quarterback will give you the
ball back and then it's a bye. So we said
it was a rough opening act. As you remember in
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the preseason. Now you don't take a lot of snaps.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It was bound.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We told you one of our favorite bets that week
was Minnesota playing Chicago. Detroit was a rough spot, but
they took care of business. They should beat the Raiders
who are trying to find their way. Then they get
a bye. It's a little early than you want to buy.
But you got the Saints on the schedule, You're gonna
have the Bengals without Joe Burrow. You've got the awful
Giants at home at Minnesota. We don't know what they are,
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Pittsburgh at home. There's some wins here. Nine and eight
is optimistic, but you have to take care of the tear.
You gotta take care of the games you should win.
And it was pretty clear yesterday between Caleb and Ben
and the playmakers, you got to win that game. And
they did comfortably. That's progress, okay. In one of the
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weirdest games ever, the Rams dominate Philadelphia in the first half,
and then Nick Sirianni, I've never been the biggest fan,
had to go in at halftime and make adjustments and
he did and the adjustment was just pass the ball
to AJ Brown. So the Rams match up well with Philadelphia.
(06:50):
We've seen it the last two times they play, except
two areas. They don't have big, physical corners and AJ
Brown can eat them alive. They didn't draft one. It
was a surprise they should have. The Rams have smaller
corners and they do not match up with AJ Brown
at all. Ten targets, six catches most yards all season.
He just tossing guys like Creuton's in a salad bowl.
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The second problem the Rams have They're not very good
at center. They had a backup right guard h oh.
Between Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis. The Eagles have the
best interior d line I mean, honestly by a long
shot in the NFL. Well, it's not a position of
strength for the Rams. We saw it last year when
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Jalen Carter blew up the Rams offense in the snow
to seal a Philly win. And we saw yesterday two
block kicks. Then on a fourth and one the Rams
try to run and went backwards. So between aj Brown
manipulating the smaller Ram corners and the Rams inability to
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block two great interior defensive linemen for Philadelphia, they're not
beating this team unless they make a move in my opinion,
at the trade deadline. And I know, I know all
that you are saying this morning, Hey, Carl, I thought
Jalen Hurts wasn't good from the pocket. Well, he had
minus one passing yards in the first half. It was embarrassing.
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And Jalen has these abs where he looks like he
does not know what he's doing. Butt to Nick Sirianni's credit,
Sirianni listens to his players and relates to his players,
and they went in at half and figured it out,
get the ball to AJ Brown. So nobody in this
league wins as imperfectly as the Eagles. I mean, Sean
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McVay does not lose ten point leads. He never loses
twenty six to seven. Matt Stafford missed a couple of
open receivers, but for Sean McVay to lose a game
leading twenty six to seven, that just doesn't happen. Philadelphia's
defense is very good, but it was those blocked kicks
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and the fourth and one that was the difference. So
between AJ Brown and the defensive interior line of the Eagles,
the Rams do not match up with Philadelphia in those
two spots. So Nick Seriani and Jalen Hurts deserve a
ton of credit for the second half. And AJ Brown,
who is an insane talent.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
They're listen.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
He matches up well against almost everybody, but against the Rams.
I'm surprised it took halftime regrouping to figure it out.
They can't they can't stop him. There's nothing they can do.
He's a terrible matchup for them. And here's aja after
I truly.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Believe, man, we got so many good players on this team,
you know, and and at times, you know, you can
feel like we're being conservative and and uh, I don't
think it. I don't think it should be like that.
You know, I think it should. You know, let's your
lets your killers do do the thing, you know, and uh,
and play fast and play aggressive. You know, we have
a lot of good players, and and and I feel
like you just let it go, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So I know, so head it is, it's going to
be like that. I will say, it is the craziest
day I've ever seen. I've never seen a game like that.
I officially, I'm just not going to count that Rams
loss on the Blazing five. It never existed. I'm just
not counting it. I don't care that hurt. It would
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be nice if in the history of the show, I
could ever win a game like that. But then again,
Jmack had the Falcons over Caroline.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It was thirty nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So I mean, listen, it was a bad day, But
I want to let you listen to the Eagle Radio
Network on the block kick that ended up sealing it
for the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
They blooked the blest, the bullet spunted. The kick is blocking,
it's blocked. It's booked up by the Eagles. Look the
news Davis thirty twenty ten. Fine touchdown gave over.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I mean you could say it was bad luck. It wasn't.
They did it twice. They blew them up on the
fourth and one. They did it last year in the
NFC Divisional round. Like the Rams can't block the Eagles
interior studs, they can't block them. I mean, now, fourth
and one wasn't even close. So halfs off to Philadelphia,
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which I mean they listen. Part of football is finding
the liability of the team. You face, it took them
a half, but the Rams can't block their interior and
they can't cover Aj Brown into the Philly their credit,
they discovered it, lean into it and won.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
J Mack. That was nuts.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
What is a just a nutty day?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
By the way, not only did I have the Falcons,
those losers that you tried to steer me off of,
I had the Tennessee Titans who got their doors blown off. However,
they have a quarterback who's underutilized and played in Kansas
City and was awesome and could match up with AJ Brown.
His name is Lagerius Snead. I wonder if you could
put in a call to your guy less Snead with
the Rams and say, hey, do you want to kick
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the tires on? And the Titans aren't going anywhere? I
was way wrong about them, dude, Dode. I mean, you
got to make a move. The Rams have a Super
Bowl team, do you go look for a corner on
the market.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
All right?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Last year the Washington got Lattimore from the Saints. They
got to the NFC Championship, So I think it's worth
making a move.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
No, I think the Rams at the trade deadline they
have got to get at least one big, physical corner
because it was a mismatch.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It wasn't like AJ Brown had separated.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
He was just bigger and stronger than all the Rams
smaller talented corners. So it was a surprise the Rams
didn't draft a corner. I mean that was one of
their draft needs and they didn't use any pick on
a corner, and it's like.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Oh man, this is really showing up.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Okay, coming up next, the world's greatest football coach, Jim
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over Denver twenty three to twenty so as the Chiefs
were stumbling and bumbling to a win over the New
York Giants. Harbaugh and Herbert have officially taken over the
AFC West three and zero all division wins. And yesterday
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the Chargers had every reason to lose Denver's great pass rush.
The Chargers were missing multiple offensive linemen. Khalil Max still
not there, Najie Harris got hurt, they fumbled the opening
kickoff in the third, They were less rested because they
played in a short week, and yet Harbaugh and Herbert
found a way. Justin Herbert got hammered. He got hit
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fourteen times. That is a most. And the Chargers over
the last twenty years have had some bad old lines.
That is the most a Charger quarterback has been hit
in twenty years. In fact, Justin Herbert was pressured on
fifty five percent of his throws. He threw forty nine times.
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He was pressured in over half, the most Justin Herbert's
ever been pressured in his career.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And yet this kid is.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Extending plays, getting attacked, getting hammered. He leaves the NFL
right now in three hundred and ten yards passing per game,
and we're still not sure if Quinton Johnson's any good.
And Keenan Allen, who's had four major surgeries. I mean,
if you don't get Justin Herbert's greatness, you literally do
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not understand football. There were seven reasons they should have
lost that game, and yet the greatest coach in the
history of football, Jim Harbaugh, pulled him through. And if
he went to a lab to create a quarterback, it
would be Herbert. It's the perfect quarterback for him. Tough, physical, smart,
willing to be coached, relentless. There have been great matches
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in America Simon and Garfunkel, Jordan and pippittt Abbott and Costello,
Peanut Butter and Jelly, Penn and teller Segfried and Roy
none are better than Herbert and Harbaugh. A love story
that's gonna keep going for the next decade. There was
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a dozen reasons they should have lost, forget six, and
they found a way to win on a day that
justin Herbert had to carry his team. Here's Jim Harbaugh
still in awe of it after it was over.
Speaker 9 (16:54):
There's almost something about him, I mean that takes that hit.
I mean, there's no face express expression that changes. There's
no there's no limp, there's no you know, doesn't grab.
It's like it didn't even happen, but it there's some
in his competitive fired almost it just motivates him even more.
(17:15):
It even it even takes them to another notch. You
know whatever fill in the blank is happening. I mean
it's he's I mean, he's one of one that I've
ever seen at the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You can have Simon and Garfunkel, I will take Herbert
and Harball. He leads the NFL and wins in total
yards per game and for the last twenty games. Haven't
we all said, man, if they only had one big
time receiver, now they don't have Nausee Harris backups playing
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backups on the old line against the Denver pass rush
that is as gnarly as any in the league. I mean,
they were on a short week. They fumbled the opening
kickoff in the third man. If you don't get the
Justin Herbert thing, I can't help you. There are some
things you just got to be able to see. Before
he hoists a trophy, you got to understand how great
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that is. I mean, I keep saying it. The size
of the quarterback matters. Did you see how many times
Justin Herbert got hit yesterday? Fourteen times, the most in
two decades for a Charger quarterback. I mean, I'm telling you,
for years, they've always had the coolest NFL uniforms. Now
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they got the coolest quarterback and the coolest coach. Unbelievable,
a game almost everybody else in the league would have lost.
Here's j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
No, no turn on the news. This is the herd
line news.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
All right, con let's start with the Green Bay Packers.
I think you had them high up in your herd hierarchy.
I forget if it was they were one or what,
but listen, they're up ten to nothing with like five
minutes left in the game.
Speaker 10 (19:04):
And they blow it Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Now, he tried to warn you, yes, this.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Was a look aheads you did. I wouldn't bet it,
and you told me. You said it Tuesday, you said,
don't touch this.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, but even I was like afraid to go heavy
on the Browns. They come back win it just miraculous
turn of events in Cleveland.
Speaker 10 (19:23):
They were celebrating like they if it won the show.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah they should. Michael Parsons was disappointed after the loss.
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 11 (19:32):
It's just reality. It happens to the best teams, you know.
I mean even the best Super Bowl chance make mistakes
and they they paid for early.
Speaker 12 (19:42):
I mean you go back to the history of the
champions and who they played in games they should have won.
It's just part of me and that's what it's that competitive.
It is that hard to him, as hard as hell
to win football games.
Speaker 11 (19:53):
So you learn football games. It's a celebration when you
lose this ups.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, I mean I remember years ago Brat going to
Cleveland and getting hammered. I think Cleveland had like Peyton
hillis that running back and it was a really good
New England team went to Cleveland and just got destroyed.
It happens. I mean I always say this, they led
ten to nothing, Jordan Love had a bad pick.
Speaker 10 (20:15):
Well wait, wait, hold on, they just showed it.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Colin. That's an inexplicable pick on third down? What are
you doing deep in your own end? Like I mean,
it was that's amateur hour stuff. Then they get the
ball back and you're like, okay, we got this. They're
gonna kick the field goal and it gets blocked, which.
Speaker 10 (20:30):
Was like the theme of football.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Ye I mean, if you're gonna if you're in this,
this could very well be a blip. And like you
can go back to almost all great teams and they've
had a horrible Sunday and it was I don't know
if it's as we move into the fall and then
is the moisture in the air happening?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
But in the history of this league, there has never
been a special team's day like yesterday ever. I mean,
it's just it was one of those like I just
I don't I have to drop him in the herd hierarchy.
I can't punish Green Bay that much because I this
is the difference between pro and college football. This is
the difference where great teams. Last year, the Chiefs scheduled
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the Super Bowl, Raiders should have beaten them twice. I mean,
that's just the way the league operates.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
So Interestingly, a lot of good quarterbacks had under two
hundred yards passing yesterday, and I think there's like an
epidemic happening with defenses have kind of started to solve.
We're not giving you the big play, we're not giving
you the bomb. Nobody's getting it. Go ahead and matriculate
down the field. We double dog dare you and Jordan
Love couldn't really do it. He wasn't good. Now, his
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offensive line got banged up. Yes, they lost one guy
on the first step of the game.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
He got let me say there were two at least
two times maybe three that Jordan Love I mean crumpled
like a deck chair like he got hammered multiple times.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Josh Jacobs had like thirty yards on fifteen k.
Speaker 10 (21:52):
You couldn't do it anything. It was offensive offense.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Now, the good news is they get right against Dallas
next week. Now, Colin this line, we don't have it
on the screen. The Packers are gonna hammer them. I'm sorry.
Seventeen no, no, no, no, no, nothing crazy like that.
That's the Bills Saints game. But I just I think
they're gonna get right next week. Let's not panic about
the Brown, about the Packers. Next up, Colin, Let's go
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to the New York Giants. They played on Sunday Night Football.
It was borderline unwatchable. Russell Wilson, I don't know what
he was thinking. He was getting booed off the field,
two terrible interceptions. Dabele did bring in Dart Jackson. Dart
the rookie for three plays, and then he yanked him
and he would go right back to Russ and the
crowd was booing.
Speaker 10 (22:36):
Anyway, here's day ball.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
After the game, I'd be going too, to be honest
with you, in terms of not being good enough, no,
not scoring, not finishing, I understand.
Speaker 10 (22:46):
That that's that's a nature of it.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
We got to be better overall offensivelye Connor was nothing
was was good enough.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Coaching playing, Yeah, didn't do a good enough job, everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Daniel Jones is lighting the league up, having left the
Giants and going to the Colts. Now, the Colts, I've
been arguing this for a year and a half two years.
The Colts roster just needed a quarterback. They have excellent
O line, star running back, star tight end, three different receivers.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I like so the Colts.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's why with Anthony Richards and you're like, bro, I'm
watching these games. They got good players, Chris Ballard's built
a very good roster. Their offensive line is excellent. But
that does it makes the Giants look like they don't
know what they're doing. When the quarterback leaves you and
is now six of nine throwing the ball down the
field like big Big throws down field Daniel Jones is playing.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I am shocked by what I'm watching.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
The Giants host the Chargers in Week four. Harball Herbert
jesse Minter really good defensive coordinator. He is gonna confound Russ.
I don't know if I want toss Jackson Dart out there.
By the way, your guy Andrew Thomas take a guest
hurt again? I mean I couldnot stay healthy. We didn't
even mention the Chiefs in this. Did you think the
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Chiefs look good?
Speaker 10 (24:07):
Colin?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
No, the Chiefs aren't good.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
The Chiefs are unwatchable. Just FYI to folks.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Final story, Colin, Now this guy deserves a lot of flowers.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
And his name is Baker Mayfield because.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
All he does is win games in the final seconds.
Three straight victories with game winning drives and the final
seconds to win football games. This guy is clutch man.
I don't know what else to say about him. He
beat my Jets. Jets had a spirit to come back
and did cover the spread, but Tampa is three and
ohero And afterward Baker said this one was low personal.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
You know what it's like to go up against teams
they can played for I think was it for you
guys to get the victory? For him?
Speaker 13 (24:46):
I loved it.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
And it's also their decordinator was the one that cut
me in Carolina, So it was a lot of stuff
was personal or the son Reddick, former Jet, a lot
of people.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You know, Here's the thing about Baker.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Is he he almost plays better when the chips are
against him.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
He gets amped up.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But it's funny in that game because Tampa totally controlled
the game and then the inept Jets boom boom boom,
and you're like, what is And I was sitting there
watching and I'm like, only on this day, but we've
said this about Baker Mayfield before, and he had a
couple of really nice scrambles. We've said it about Baker before,
when you allow him to plant a foot, dude throws
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one of the best balls in the league. And he
is such a good fit in Tampa. I don't know.
I mean, I think you said it last week, and
I think you're right. He has moved himself consistently into
the top ten quarterbacks in this league. He's a franchise quarterback.
Well that part's obvious, but I mean, eventually you find
your way in this league. Sam Darnold, Carson Wentz look good.
(25:50):
If you're a good guy, you work hard, you'll you'll
get more opportunities. And Baker has totally taken advantage of him.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Now, Mike Evans got a hamstring injury late and I
saw that did not finish the game. That would be
bad news against the Eagles next week. And you know
the Eagles historically have struggled against Todd Bowles. This is
that's a great game next week, Bucks Eagles.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Jmack with the News. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So you know, I always people always say Colin, give
my team credit. That's what Visa does or MasterCard. I'm
not in the credit business. I've been saying this. I'm
in the honesty business. Pittsburgh did not win yesterday. New
England lost the game. New England was a better team.
I mean I looked. I went and looked after the
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game yesterday at the box score. I mean New England
had thirty percent more first downs, almost double the yards,
dominated time of possession. I mean the Steelers even had
more penalties. It's the same team that went oh and
five down the stretch. They can't run the ball, protection,
sketchy old quarterback, doesn't move well. Expensive defense that for
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some reason feels very vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
And I said it last week.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
You're gonna beat Jake Browning, You're gonna beat Joe Flacco,
You're probably gonna beat Drake May. New England gave the
game away five turnovers, dumb penalties, an awful interception right here,
just a terrible throw. So you know, this is the
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same team Pittsburgh that went on a five game skit
at the end of last year. I mean, they got
five turnovers and all their possessions without that, and they
scored three touchdowns. So New England's young. They make a
lot of mistakes. They've got to lose a lot of
new personnel. They're not very good. But I can't give
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the Steeters credit on this because I'm here to be honest,
and I don't think Pittsburgh very good. I thought they
were totally outplayed. And I mean again, everybody's going crazy
because Aaron's breaking records, and he deserves credit because I've
always thought he was better than Brett Farve. Top to
bought him anyway, but with quarterbacks in the NFL with
at least twenty attempts, Aaron's dead last in air yards
per completion. It is a bink and dunk offense that
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can't run the ball. And listen, you get you get
credit in this league for winning games when you're playing
terribly and and and and the Steelers are going to
go if you look at their schedule, who's coming up next,
it's you know Flacco, and it's it's Jake Browning. They're
going to be five and one and the fans are
going to be going crazy. But they have fewer offensive
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yards than Detroit and the Lions don't play until tonight.
They've only played two games, so I I mean, I
looked at the just the box score, if you would
have not watched this game, you would have thought New
England only won, that they blew them out. So uh,
I mean they forced forced five turnovers. Mike Tomlin said,
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I like that.
Speaker 14 (28:59):
That's why we spend as much time practicing down in
that space as we do as a collective. We got
to be great on defense in an effort to win
the point swing, we got to be great on offense.
And when you take the ball away man, you get
all seven points. Usually you're fighting for four. It cannot
be going the way you desire. But you better have
enough emotion, you better have enough belief, you better state
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a course in an effort to do it.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I feel like I been watching the exact same Steeler
team for five years. Quarterbacks past their prime. They can't
run pass protectionist sketch. They're loose on the details that
they kind of figure out a way. Their defense isn't
as good as what they pay for it, but they
kind of figure out a way to beat the bad teams.
(29:45):
And this league's got about sixty percent bad teams. And
here's Mike Vrabel on the turnovers that killed his young team.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
We don't need to learn a lesson.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
We just have to.
Speaker 15 (29:58):
I give them so many chances with turnovers, take care
of those things, and you know there's a lot to
clean up, a lot of good in there, but unfortunately,
just not enough to get us to win.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I'll give Rabel credit, he's not necessarily barking at his players.
He knows what he has. He can see all the
mistakes the youth. But I can't just say every team
that one deserve to win. Like there are weeks. I mean,
Philadelphia trailed twenty six to seven, but they dominate the
second half, and they earned those block kicks. The Eagles
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earned that stop on fourth and one of the Eagles
deserve to win that game. I mean, they dominate the
second half and Tampa Bay had they lost, well, it
would have been their fault. I mean, Jets scored three
quick touchdowns boom boom, boom. But in this instance, it
was just a young team making mistakes with penalties and turnovers.
(30:52):
But you know they won. In Pittsburgh, they're celebrating. I
can't give you too many flowers on that. It is
a very That offense is a water pistol. There's just
not a lot there. Aaron made a couple of nice throws.
He and DK Metcalf have some symmetry there at works.
You deserve credit for that. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. Top
(31:13):
of our number two, Matt Hasselbeck stops by. He's going
to talk all about the Chicago Bears, among other teams. Tonight,
Ravens Lions. We like Baltimore. Baltimore at home against an
NFC team usually turns out well.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
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Speaker 3 (31:34):
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Speaker 1 (31:55):
You know, as the Bears finally unleash their offense, there
are challenges this offense has, and it here's the thing
about the Bears offense, that's it's a little bit of
a good problem to have. They may not quite be
Green Bay in terms of running back, tight end, wide receiver,
youthful talent, but they got a lot of it, Roma Dunze,
(32:19):
Luther Burden, Colston Loveland, Cole Kmet still young, Like, the
Bears have a lot of offensive talent eight youngest offense
in the league and that includes Caleb Williams. So I
mean they Colston Loveland's only got three catches in three games.
I mean, Luther Burden is a twitchy burner. He only
have five catches in three games. He had three of
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them yesterday. So DeAndre Swift got loose yesterday. They're getting
him the ball about thirteen fourteen to fifteen times a game.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
But Dj Moore there's a touchdown, but he kind of disappeared.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So their issue.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I mean, they have put the resources through trades and
through draft capital. They have real offensive talent. So when
Ben Johnson sometimes it feels like he moves away from.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
The run game.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
And they went and bought between Drew Dolman and Joe
Tooney an upgrade at the interior offensive line. They've got
a lot of weapons here. I mean there's a lot
of teams in the NFL, in fact, most that don't
have nearly as good a weapon. They have two legitimate
tight ends. I mean, I think Roma Dunza's becoming a star.
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Rama Dunze's outstanding. He's overshadowed DJ Moore Swift. We said
this when they acquired him. Swift's are really good running back,
so they had eight different guys catch it. You have
a creative offensive coach, all sorts of weapons at tight
end and wide receiver. The backups are more than capable,
and a horse power at quarterback with a big arm
(33:44):
that moves well, and upgrades on the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So this thing is going now.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It may just be against bad defenses, but when you
watch Chicago play, they're.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Not throwing the same guy over and over.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I mean, you watch the Chargers, it feels like on
big downs they're going to Conky or Keenan Allen. You
kind of know where it's going. You don't know where
it's going with this team. So they got players a
lot of players on the offensive side. And here's Caleb
after the win.
Speaker 13 (34:12):
We have so many guys that care about us as teammates,
but also just us as winning. We always felt that
our hard work, our preparation, you know, the long drive drill,
the two minutes, the you know, the the moments, the
four minutes, you know, the situational third downs, all of
those things that you know those are gonna come.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Again.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I'm not saying this is gonna happen, but as Rome
Adunze sort of emerges, I don't know what you do
with DJ Moore? Could could you move a Dj Moore?
The trade deadline is gonna be very interesting. I mean
the Rams have specific needs. Uh, you know there's gonna
be some good teams that I mean, what do you
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do with you're the Raiders. I mean you're gonna try
to catch Harball and Mahomes and Sean Payton and Denver.
You start looking around and moving some of your better pieces.
It's fascinating what's going to happen here. But the Bears
offensive talent and maybe it'll just be against the bad offenses.
They got dudes, they got tight ends backs, a quarterback
that moves, they got wide receivers, young veteran guys, they
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got players. So it's kind of the opposite with Kansas City.
And because they were so dynamic offensively for years, you
forget that Kansas City has been winning despite their offense.
In fact, Cam's Kataboo was the most entertaining offensive player
on the field last night by a long shot. So
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there's no doubt that Kansas City's offense should get slightly
better when Xavier Worthy returns, and it should get slightly
better when Rashie Rice returns. But they played together last
year for three or four games, and they weren't great then.
So the Chiefs offense feels a lot like an old pitcher.
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It's lost about five miles an hour off his fastball
three straight seasons where the offense has regressed. Right now,
the offense is blow to New York Jets. I'm not joking,
So I'm not going to get into talking about the Giants.
They're not worth the airtime. But you got to trust
your eyes on this. You start looking at this offense.
And here's my concern if I'm a Chiefs fan, because
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the time of possession for Kansas City's offense is twenty second, Well,
that means your defense is on the field, and the
longer your defense is on the field, the more your
defense gets banged up.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
So if they can.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Get Worthy and Rashi Rice back here collectively in the
next three weeks, maybe they can improve and get their
time of possession to fourteenth or fifteenth or thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
From near the bottom, because the more your defense is
on the field, the more your defensive players are going
to get banged up. The best thing going for the
Chiefs right now is that Denver is finding ways to
lose games they have a chance to win. But for
the last six or seven years, it's felt like the
AFC had this trifecta at the top of Chiefs, Ravens Bills,
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And right now it feels like Josh Justin and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So and it's struggling with Andy Reid, the great play
designer of my life. Can you imagine what this offense
looks like with Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And Andy Reid. It is a water pistol with these guys.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
And they have one first half touch down, twenty second
in time of possession, and I mean they have halves
and quarters that are ugly.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Seeing around the league like some of the star receivers
are getting held down. You gotta find number two options
number three. This kid Thornton looks okay for Kansas City
with this.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Kansas City has had eight red zone possessions this year.
Max Jones and the Niners have had eleven, and that
was a Rock fight with Arizona yesterday.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Again, this is not bashing Kansas City, Colin. They got
the Ravens up next.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Now, maybe the Ravens get caught napping tonight and they're
looking ahead to the Chiefs and want to kill them,
you know, because they've been destroyed by the Chiefs every post.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
That's why the line tonight is fairly.
Speaker 10 (38:18):
Who's been in the line. I don't see it, but.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Well, I think every week Baltimore plays Kansas City next week,
and that's been the one.
Speaker 10 (38:25):
That the Packers let down late late in the game.
We got Dallas.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
It's a real thing. I don't buy into it on
Monday night. That'll feel special in a smaller market Baltimore.
So I like the Ravens tonight, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong.
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