September 22, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin tells you why he was wrong about the Packers following their loss to the Browns and right about Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh as they improve to 3-0 on the season.
Plus, 3-time Pro Bowl quarterback Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to analyze what's wrong with the Kansas City Chiefs offense and how the Philadelphia Eagles finally unlocked A.J. Brown in Week 3
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
Jmack, it was the craziest day I can remember if
there was some really, I mean Green Bay, Cleveland was
about as ugly as football gats.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It was a rock fight.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
San Francisco, Arizona Tampa Jets was a blowout. Then it
wasn't There is so much to talk about. Matt Hasselbeck's
about four minutes out. It was not a great day
for are one of us with our picks. I think
we both have the ravens tonight we do.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I need to hear little more positivity for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You know how there's the Magnificent seven Stocks, right, the
tech Stocks.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
There needs to be a super six for quarterbacks because
I think Herbert and Hurts have played their way in.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Colin, come on, they've been spectacular.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
On maybe Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh yeah, So on a Monday Colin Wright Colin wrong,
And here.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
We go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Jim Harbaugh world's best football coach. Three and zero pulling
away in the AFC West. The Chargers run a short week.
They fumbled the opening kickoff, they lost Nausee Harris Khalil
Max not playing. But Harbaugh has in his career found
ways to win uglyague games. And you got to give
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this team credit. Quintin Johnson look like a bust at
wide receiver. Harbaugh's like, nope, we're gonna feed him the ball.
We're gonna throw it to him half a dozen times deep.
And the Chargers win a game because they have the
greatest football coach of all time.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
The Packers led ten to nothing in the fourth and
still lost to Cleveland. They were my number one team
in the league. What was weird is they had extra
time to prep because they played on Thursday Night football,
and the offense was still disjointed. Jordan Love got hit
hard too many times. They just they didn't have a
lot of energy. They came out flat and it's the
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National Football League. Jordan Love didn't have a lot of time.
They didn't get a touchdown until late third quarter. I
thought this was a team without a major flaw, and
maybe it's just energy because they lacked it against Cleveland
on the road.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I've said this about Kyle Shanahan. I predicted the Niners
would have a lot of injuries, and I've said before
Kyle is the great quarterback whisperer. Mac Jones is not
only two to zero, they're asking him to throw as
much as Justin Herbert. The dude has eighty pass attempts
in two starts with a wide receiver corp that's all
banged up, George Kittle banged up. You can say what
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you want about Kyle Shanahan hasn't won the big game.
Shanahan with quarterbacks the league had given up on. Mac
Jones had given up, and that guy's out there spin
at it and two to zero. Credit to Shanahan. Where
Colin was raw. I have defended CJ. Stroud for two years.
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He's twenty ninth in passer rating dating back to last year. Now,
I know the offensive lines not great, but right now
either as the Chargers. I picked the Texans to win
the AFC South. They can't pick up first downs, they
can't run it. Protection's not great right now. CJ's got
more picks than touchdowns, averaging two hundred yards a game,
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and Demiko Ryans. I worry about this because I've said
this for years. There's something about defensive head coaches and
battle lines. Last two years, they can't get the online right.
I keep defending him, and I am wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I said Friday Carson Wentz today now is better than
JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
He may not be in six weeks.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yes, the Vikings defense was great, but I said on
Friday Show, Oh, he'll win and he'll be great. JJ
McCarthy looked overwhelmed. Carson Wentz has one hundred and thirty
passer rating yesterday, seventy percent completion rate in total control.
The reason I like Carson Wentz is look at the
coaches who like him. Kevin O'Connell liked him Sean McVay
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liked him. He keeps bouncing around to smart offensive coaches.
Carson Wentz was reckless, got banged up, but I will
defend him. I think he's honestly one of the most
talented backup quarterbacks in fact, easily in the National Football League.
And yesterday you can win a bunch of games with
Carson Wentz. And that's staff, those weapons and Brian Florence
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where Colin was raw. I gave up on Daniel Jones.
Forget Danny Dimes.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
He's Danny.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He is dealing with baby now. He's got a good
old line in nice weapons. But he made plays yesterday.
Is he the next Baker? Is he the next Sam Darnold?
I said, give me a break. He's throwing the ball downfield.
This is not thinking dunk. Danny Dollars was six to nine,
ten plus yards down the field. This isn't a mirage.
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He's not fooled anybody. He's making big boy NFL throws.
Indy had their first punt all season, so I mean
he's playing with confidence. Well, he's got Shane Stiken. Shane
Stikeen ain't making the throws. He is making big boy
downfield rows.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And I'm wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Jaden Mayov a USC is anybody paying attention nine tds,
no pick, seventy one percent completion percentage.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't want to hear about their schedule.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
For all the people that doubt Lincoln Riley, this kid
last year was reckless and out of control. He looks unbelievable.
They were missing their first or second best wide receiver.
They lead the nation in the yards per play touchdown
favorite of Illinois. This kid has cleaned up his entire
game again. Last year he was young, he was reckless,
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He kind of played out of control. I didn't think
he was very good. Between the hash marks, he is
making big time throws and great decisions.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Coming out of Ohio State, I thought Marvin Harrison was
can't miss, more like can't catch. Is he a bust? Honestly,
I don't know what's happened. He's not separating. They don't
target him, can catches three games. I don't know what
it was. I thought he was a guaranteed stud. I
just thought physically he would be a mismatch, but lost confidence.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
They don't target him.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I mean he was drafted above like Rowanduande and neighbors,
and I don't see it like at all.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Where Colin was wrong? Cade klubnick Ken Clemson quarterback. What happened?
And Clemson's got a NFL guy.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
There, one hundred and thirteenth in FCF and scoring offense.
I thought he could be a top two or three
quarterback drafted. Clemson's zero to two in the ACC and
they haven't played Miami yet. They're one in three overall.
Fell into a deep hole against Syracu. I watched this
entire game. I don't know what the problem is. Maybe
they should have gone to the transfer portal. Clemson refuses
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to do the nil holding the ball too long. I mean,
I have no idea. It's total regression, lower completion percentage,
more interceptions, fewer yards per game. Nothing looks right. I
had a lot of wrongs this week. I got to
own them. I had a lot of wrongs yesterday. And
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with that, Matt Hasselbeck stops by eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Man, I was wrong a lot. Col wrong.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
I like when you admit when you were wrong. It's
just I love the humility.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh well, I don't have it often, but boy, I'm
bringing my fastball today, I will say that us listen.
I know it's the bear'st the Dallas defense, but here's
what I did, Like, they've got a lot that there's
a lot of people that need to eat there. They've
got a Luther Burden and Roma Dunza and Dj Moore
and two tight ends. And I did think there was
a rhythm Matt to the offense. I thought that a
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couple drives where it was like the screen game, the
run game. They played the clockwell, I did sense a
rhythm or is that just Dallas's bad defense.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
It's both, but it was clearly Yeah, rhythm, timing, accuracy.
No sacks is huge, Yeah, good pass protection. This was
easily Caleb Williams's best game as a pro. Easily. It
was fun to watch. If you're a Bears fan, You're like, oh, shoot,
this is sick, Like this is what we could be.
Ben Johnson, I mean he is like you see why
he was so good in this division going up against
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guys like Matt Eberflus, like he knew the division. I
think there is something nice about game planning people that
you actually know, like you know them as well as
they know themselves. You know what they're never going to
change where they're never going to change. But I just
thought it was a credible you know, and you know,
just you know, Caleb obviously deserves his credit. He did
a really nice job. But guy, it really wasn't a
lot of contested touchdowns, Like guys were wide open. Like
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I don't have like a next gen stats kind of
thing on it, but like, usually touchdown passes are hard
to come by, you know, usually guys end up on
the ground. A lot of times. These were stand up,
nobody near me type touchdowns. It was an impressive, impressive
win for Chicago and equally is embarrassing for Dallas. Like
if you're Dallas, you're feeling pretty good last week and
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now you're kind of like, who the heck are we?
Like this is this is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I want to know, though, do players look at it
and think the Bears? I mean, like the Bear players today?
Is it self belief in that locker room? Or is
there a sense Dallas is bad? Like were you ever
on a team that you were struggling to find your footing?
You beat a really bad team, how does that usually
translate the following week? Because they have the very average
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Raiders coming up.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
It's two things. Number one, never apologize for a win.
Never Like we would say that in every locker room ever,
Like it would just be like, never apologize. I don't
care how bad they were, how much disarray they're in.
It's really hard to get a win. Like, we put
our heart and soul into this thing. We're going to
celebrate it on a Sunday. But now here's the thing.
Win or lose that game plan, that celebration, all of
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that that has to just kind of evaporate and go away.
It's like it never happened. You know, maybe there's a
feel good feeling. I think the hard thing after a
win is you've got to correct the things that need
to be corrected. Sometimes in a loss, you know, you
look at everything under a magnifying glass and you're like, okay,
we've got to get a little bit better in the
details here. After a win, sometimes you sweep things under
the rug in terms of like technique or hey, we
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got our way with one here, and you don't necessarily
improve as the season's going going on. So I think
they'll be fine. Ben Johnson seems like a little bit
of a workaholic, and I don't think. I don't think
he's going to let him off the hook that way.
But I think a game like that for Chicago, with
the scrutiny that they're quarterback has been under, is going
to give some confidence to a team that needs a
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little bit of confidence.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
One of the things that I don't think we talk
about in the media enough, and I don't think fans
realize it, is that even practice is hard in football.
You know, basketball practice you get a good sweat. Baseball
practice you're in the cage. Football practice, you tackle and
get hurt and the weather's off and awful. So in
the NFL, just even when you don't get sacked, but
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you get hit, and you get hit like Justin Herbert
fourteen times and pressured fifty five times. I'm watching Herbert
yesterday and I'm like, I hope people realize what it
is like to play in the game. Forget just the
sacks where you're getting hammered fourteen or fifteen times. I
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think if if Harbaugh could go to a lab and
build a quarterback, it would be Justin Herbert. I mean,
when I watched him yesterday, I'm like, do people understand
how often he's getting hit?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah, and I think he would build Andrew Luck and
I think Justin Herbert has all those qualities that Andrew
Luck had. You know, I think when I think of Harbaugh,
I think of what he did at Stanford, and it
wasn't a pass first offense there either. You know, it
was a hard nosed, physical, inside the tackles running team.
And that's I think the identity that he came in
with last year. And everyone said, oh, you're not using
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Justin Herbert enough, he's not throwing the ball enough. And
Harbob basically said, listen, I'm going to get the best
of Justin Herbert by having this philosophy. And now you're
seeing it this year. You're seeing Justin Herbert put the
team on his back, playing like an MVP, making all
world throws in the pocket, feeling healthy enough to do it.
I mean, listen, I'm old enough to remember when this
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dude was playing with like broken fingers and all the
broken ribs and all these types of things. Down two
scores in the fourth quarter, still in the game. That's
not a recipe for a long career. It's not a
recipe for playing great in the playoffs. I think Harbaugh
has the vision for what Herbert can be, and everyone's
buying in. Everyone's buying in. I think the opponent is
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starting to buy in a little bit too, Like, oh, shoot, man,
this guy is one of the elite quarterbacks. You know,
even when we call the perfect play defensively, he goes
above the x's and o's and makes stuff happen. And
I think that, you know, protecting him a little bit
is a way to unleash him, and I think Harbaugh
has done a great job of it.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
You know, I don't know what happened at halftime, because
you guys only have fifteen minutes, and a couple of
those minutes are burned.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I think it's thirteen. Yeah, it's thirteen minutes, depending on
the stadium.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So Philadelphia trails twenty six to seven, they have minus
one yards passing, They go in for their thirteen quick
minutes as they're drinking gatorade and have an orange license.
They come out and the offense is totally reborn. What
did Philadelphia, in your opinion, do at halftime to literally
rework the entire game plan?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah, one of the biggest things you do at halftime
is use the bathroom. Sometimes you got to hold it
and like it's tough, you feel a lot better than
the second half. That's a fun fact in case, in
case you wanted to know. But I think the other
thing that can happen is you get a consensus, you
have a short meeting. It's very quick, and sometimes it
can be got that big like you know, waffle house
call sheet looking like thing and you say, hey, we
got to get Aj the ball. They're leaving AJ one
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on one backside of three by one formations, meaning three
eligible receivers on one side. Our ex receiver, our AJ
Brown is by himself backside. We got to give him opportunities.
That's what I saw. I saw a team that came
in at halftime and said, hey, AJ needs to be
a part of this. And you know, we've seen kind
of devo receivers like flip out on the sidelines and
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that kind of thing over the years. I don't think
that's what we've seen out of Aj this year. He's
had a he's kind of had a good in a
good mental state. He's been doing a great job blocking,
and I think that's the better way to handle it
as a talented receiver coming at halftime, be like, hey,
I got my guy. These guys cannot hold me one
on one. And that's what I saw, and that when
AJ is cooking, when AJ Brown's getting opportunities, the Philly
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offense unlocks. And you know, the poise and the demeanor
of Jalen Hurts is awesome. But AJ Brown, to me,
is the difference maker in a big way for that
for that scheme.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So I picked the Seahawks to be one of my
surprise teams. Like I love the NFL draft. I thought
they had their third straight excellent draft. But I also
love how they're using Sam Darnold. You know, everybody's like
his JS and and number one. I'm like, yeah, it
looks like to me. And they got this kid, this
fifth round kid out of Colorado State. He looks like
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he's a big time player.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But I don't know. I just I watched the speed.
I watched the velocity.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean that first half yesterday against the Saints Matt
it looked like a pro team and a really good
college team like it was. You don't see that in
the NFL very much. Where Seattle had the ball seven
minutes and led thirty eight to six. I think the
Seattle thing, I mean, they blew the Steelers out in
Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh's now going to winning record. What do
you make of how they're using Donald?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Well, I think it was a swing and a miss
week one. You know, Week one, they played the Niners,
and they got away from what they wanted to be.
They became this like drop back, shotgun team without a
full back. And I think Mike McDonald did a good
job of kind of correcting the market a little bit
going into week two. No, no, no, no, that's not
the vision. Here's the vision. I want to be a
downhill play action team. I want to be under center more,
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I want to move the pocket. I want to have
a fullback in the game. That's what I want to be.
And here's how it fits with our offense and our
special teams and our defense. And I think message was
heard loud and clear. This is one of the best
offenses the last two weeks. Yesterday was like you said
it was, it was big brother little brother scoring on
special teams. But you know, really, when you look at
the pass protection around Sam Darnald, I think that's the
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key for him and JSN is one of the game's
best receivers that people don't talk about don't know about.
He kind of had a little bit of a flu
game yesterday where he came out and you know, looked
like Michael Jordan at times. But when offensive line mean
get to fire hire out and play run action at
least half the time, it helps everything. And I think
that's the thing that some people do well. Some people
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talk about it but don't do it as well. Seattle,
I would say week two and week three, they've figured
that out, and so you know, if you can continue that,
I think that Sam Darnold can have the kind of
year that he had last year without Kevin O'Connell, without
Justin Jefferson. He's playing really really good football right now.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So I do think Worthy and Rashi Rice would help.
But I tend to believe offenses are about the play designer,
the quarterback and the offensive line, and an offensive line
can take an average back and make him a B
plus back. I look at Kansas City and I don't
care if the receivers come back.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
They can't run the ball.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
The pass protection, I don't think Mahomes always trusted. I
think we have to be honest about what Kansas City
is right now. Offensively, I mean they're like twenty second
in time of possession. I don't think they're going to
be a very good offense. I think they'll get slight
lead better, but I mean with Mahomes and Reid, they
can't pick up first downs. I mean, do you think
the two new receivers or the two receivers coming back
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will make a huge difference.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Yeah, I think it'd be a big difference. But you know,
Kansas City almost feels like this this team to me
that they're almost like just like bored right now. It's
almost like, yeah, we're just gonna kind of like like
an NBA team that's just like, yeah, we'll wait till
the playoffs to play our best football.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
You know, like that's almost the mindset. Not that they're
not trying. I know that they're trying, but they just
seem how to sink. I think they're not like we
talked about all those things earlier about playing on rhythm
and spreading the ball around and like put helping out
the guys around you in terms of offensive line, they're
just doing what they always did and they're less talented
than they used to be. You know, injuries are a thing.
Age is a thing, you know, maybe some some of
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maybe like people have like figured them out and studied
them a little bit, so they maybe need to get
a little refresher. And sometimes they can be their own
worst enemy, like just getting too cute at times. But no,
I think this is a team that'll be relevant the
end of the year. They just might not get to
play it at Arrowhead, that's all. You know. They might
be a road team the entire playoffs. And again I
think they're They're just one of those teams that they
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would be fine with it. They're resilient that way, and
I also would not be surprised to see them being
active at the trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
No, I think there's a I think the Rams need
a corner if they want to be you know. I mean,
I think there's some teams that just need things and
you can't solve them in your own camp.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Finally, there's a Yeah, there's a you know that I'm
watching the Tyreek Hills situation very closely because if that
team gets really bad, you know, would would that make sense?
Would Tyreek Hill going back to Kansas City ever be
a thing? I'm curious about that that would change what
that offense would look like, right, away.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Finally, I want to go back to Josh Allen. I
said this last week that I always thought there were
things you could change about a quarterback. You can't change
their size, but you can you can't change certain traits.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And I always said, man, you find these.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Reckless quarterbacks reckless early, reckless late, like that's DNA, that's that.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Some guys are.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Just just to just play with a chip. They play
a little loose like Jay Cutler was like always to me,
like big time talent. He was gonna throw bad picks.
Philip Rivers did that, and Josh Allen has literally eliminated
like his flaw. And I don't know who to give
credit for, but the fact in his last twelve games
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he's got thirty touchdowns and one pick. I don't think
I've ever seen anything like that. Well, what do you
make of it?
Speaker 5 (20:28):
He's incredible. I mean every single year, at the end
of the year you could point to this is the
thing that he's improved on. I think he deserves a
lot of credit, but I think the coaches as well,
Like he was reckless with his body and reckless with
the ball at the beginning of his career. Then he
became just reckless with his body and less reckless with
the ball. Now, I don't think he's reckless at all, hardly,
And I think what they've done is they've said, Okay,
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you want to be crazy, you know, with your scrambles
and all this kind of stuff, Let's do some design
quarterback runs. Let's run you know, like we're faking into
the running back but you're actually reading it. And then
let's run counter pulling the guard, pulling the tackle, and
it's quarterback run game. It's a lot of college run game,
but it's almost like they're saying, hey, you get your six, seven,
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eight yards and get down or at least like as
a quarterback. I know this from from personal experience, when
you know the hits coming, it's not nearly as bad.
It's it's when you don't know that it's coming that
that's kind of where injuries can happen. So I think
there's like a little bit more design, in a little
bit more structure to him as as sort of like
being reckless quote unquote, like it's almost like the illusion
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of reckless, but it's really within the play design. And
I just think he's been he's been awesome. Teammates love him.
The stadium loves him, you know all those things. I
think the opponent fears him. I think it's really cool
to see. You know, he is definitely on the mount Rushmore,
on the podium. Whatever you want to say. With the
top quarterbacks in the game right now.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Good stuff as always, Matt Hasselbeck, my friend, thanks on
a Monday for.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Stopping by Seeklin. Yeah, it's a It was the nuttiest
day all week. Jmack kept telling me Atlanta looks tasty,
and I said, Jmack, I can show you receipts of
thirty years betting the Falcons. But there were some genuine surprises.
I mean, green Bay with extra prep to lose at
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Cleveland is a job dropper and in the box almost
squandering a lady six leagues at home with Baker. I mean,
now we had one major upset, we almost had four
other ones major Colin.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Let me give you the list of quarterbacks who threw
for under two hundred yards yesterday. Matthew Stafford, Jordan Love,
Russell Wilson Kyler, Murray bo Nix, Aaron Rodgers, Bryce Young
threw for one hundred and twenty one yards and one
thirty to nothing. Yesterday was crazy. Nothing's making sense. How
is Stafford held to two hundred yards? I don't really understand.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
What's interesting is I mean, they came, they had a
chance to seal that game.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Pooka dropped the touchdown. It wasn't easy, no, no, no,
not easy, but.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
He dropped that and then you think, okay, they'll get
a field goal and it got blocked and that was
the game. Like, if you're on the road against Philadelphia,
you got to make one of those two. You either
got to make the field goal or you got to
catch the touchdown. And when they missed both, I was like, okay, okay,
you cannot do that against Philadelphia because Philadelphia in the
second half, I mean you saw it. They just decided
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we're gonna go to AJ Brown and the Rams don't
have the personnel to stop that.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
So do you still trade AJ Brown if you're the
Eagles or do you just hold on to them.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Let's move here.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I pulled that take over to a rest area. I'm
gonna get a dunkin Donuts. We'll wait a little bit
on that.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That's good.
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Speaker 7 (24:00):
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Speaker 1 (25:00):
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Speaker 5 (25:06):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, a little off to me, you know, I mean,
just I'll try to be positive on a Monday.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
J Mack with the News turns this is the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I think the audience is going to be rooting for
the Colts to be ahead of the chiefs and the
Herd hierarchy. Let's start with those fumbling, bumbling Kansas City chiefs.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Colin, Hey, look at this drama.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Andy Reid and Travis Kelsey, little chest bump, will shut
your mouth a little. I don't know what's going on here.
I didn't think it was anything. I thought it was
kind of Read pumping his guys up. But then if
you look at that angle, Colin Read is actually hot.
He's very heated. Here's Andy down playing of course the interaction.
Speaker 9 (25:52):
So I love Travis's passion. Man, So I'm okay, with that,
we didn't have enough of it. Second quarter. It wasn't
where we needed to be within reason. You know, he
knows he knows when to when to back off the
pedal and knows when to push it too. So that's
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part I love about him and the guys all in,
you know, just sometimes I have to be the policeman.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yes, you know Steve Kerr and Draymond Green when they
were in the middle of that dynasty, there were.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Locker room.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Collisions like I think this is I mean, Brady and
Josh McDaniel. This is the one thing I'm going to
say when you get it, when you have a great
team and you've won titles, the intensity and the pressure
to win again, all eyes on you. Like this stuff
doesn't bought a Peyton Manning in his prime and Jeff
Saturday going at it. It's like, No, that's the way
it works. When you're a bad team, you're not as
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all in and that you have less like like I mean,
these guys are playing for legacies and titles. Kelsey, this
could be his last year. Andy Reid, He's not going
to be coaching in seven year. So whenever I see
great teams as they age and they have these dust
ups like sometimes as Dynasty's age, what you lose is juice,
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and I think Andy Reid said we just did not
bring the juice in the first half.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
They also had one of these in the Super Bowl
on the sideline, so that's two in the last four games.
By the way, here's Travis Kelce's season numbers. Ten catches,
one hundred and thirty four yards in a touchdown. That's
like a Trey McBride Sunday. Okay, Travis Kelce season has
ten catches.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Colin, I think, well, I think it's fair to say
Travis is going to have great games like Baltimore next week.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
He'll be ready to go oh.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Really, Okay, yeah, he's gonna Torturo Kwan Smith and come okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I'm not saying he's going to but I'm saying he's
at the point in his career where he picks his
spots a little bit.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's not ideal, but I think he is. He is.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't think he picked this last night as a
spot to light up the Giants, and he had four
cats since for twenty six yards. Colin, again, I know
Chiefs fans thinks I'm just being a hater. If you
watch them, this is not the same Chiefs team from
two three years ago.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It's just not.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
No, they are not They're not good. They can let's
get at all cannot. Yeah, let's go to the Cowboys.
Colin listen, I don't know what honor Jerry Jones is
talking about. I guess he felt like neglected and people
weren't talking about him, so now he said something silly again,
Jerry Jones after the loss to the Bears, where they
looked terrible, he still believes his team is playoff caliber?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Is this a.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Playoff caliber team? The Cowboys?
Speaker 10 (28:39):
I will tell you yes, yes, And it's because you
saw number four out there today and you saw what
I think we're capable of doing in the running game
and that type deal.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So yes, I fully do.
Speaker 10 (28:52):
Now we've got to as we evolve toward the playoffs,
we've got to get better defensively.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I will say this, Ceedee Lamb gets hurt. This is
a very top heavy roster. You take out Micah, the
defense is worse. When they took out Ceedee Lamb. You've
got turpin and Tolbert Pickens does not separate. He's just
hard to bring down. You've got solid tight ends. Dak
Prescott wanted to throw the ball down the field. You
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could see him. He was getting time to throw when
he was patting the ball. Dak is not a dink
and dung guy. Dak was trying to throw the ball
down the field, Jason. When Ceedee Lamb was out, nobody
is open. Dak had time he was. Dak wanted to
throw down field and there Pickens is a great after
the catch, hard to bring down guy, but he doesn't
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separate like Ceedee Lamb. He's not that guy. And so
I think what happens is basically yesterday. No Micah knows
Ceedee Lamb and it's a bunch of b players and
see players. Those guys are a's. You take him out,
there is a major drop off off. I mean, Jamonte
Williams has been nice. Dak is very good, but Dak
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was limited. There's just nobody to throw to that gets open.
Look how open the Bears receivers were, Look how open
the Cowboys were when Ceedee Lamb got not good.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
You know, since my car got repossessed from losing bets
on the Titans and Falcons, I may have to just
put everything. I've got everything. Maybe you confront me my
salary on the Packers this week against the Cowboys. Kyle
if Ceedee Lamb is out there getting destroyed, and I
think they lose anyway. I think Jordan Love is going
to do what Caleb did and what Russell Wilson did,
and he's going to like this defense up in Cowboys Stadium.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Do you think Cowboys season over of one and three?
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, I just I mean, I think we both said this.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
One of the reasons they moved off the Micah Parsons
contract is they just did not want to be top heavy.
So now they have four first round picks in the
next two drafts, and those could become because they don't
need a quarterback. So Jason, that's a great place to
be in. We got two first round picks. I mean,
the Rams are gonna take their two firsts and probably
get a quarterback. Same with Cleveland. Dallas has two firsts
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and they don't need a quarterback. Okay, that's incredible leverage.
So what Dallas needed to do was listen, this is
gonna be bad for a year. He's gonna go to
Green Band be great. We're gonna look like idiots. Just
wait till April. Dallas will refurnish their roster. They'll get
multiple picks out of their two first. They're just not
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equipped right now. If Ceedee Lamb gets hurt, there's nobody
that separates on this receiving court.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Why don't we take it a step further, Colin, instead
of just having a couple picks, why don't we go
and move Trayvon Diggs to somebody who needs a quarterback.
I mean, our center's out there.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Let's just start training guys on our defense. It ain't
stopping anybody anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Well, that is not terrible.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Now Diggs has a bad I think Biggs, I gotta
look at his contract before I speak.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
But you guys just start moving off defenders. I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Just somebody want pickings for a stretch run here? You
know he's playing for a contract.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I don't know. Kansas City g like at some point,
if you're Dallas, if you get smoked by the packers,
you're one and three. I know it's nobody wants to tank,
but why not what I consider it, Colin?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I think they're I think Houston may want to start
moving parts.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I don't I don't know. I mean, well they've got
I mean they have.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
No offensive line. What's on? No, but the Chargers could
be in the market for offensive line. They need some help, right.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
No, I think the Chargers O line rams corner. I
think there's a handful of team. I mean, Kansas City
may be in the market for a running back man.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Maybe you need a shopping list segment of who's going
to be going after pick at all. It does feel
like every year the Chiefs are going to be in
the Super Bowl, right It feels like it's kind of
wide open right now.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Like if I ask you who's going.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
To be in the Super Bowl NFCAC right now, who
you got?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Well?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I think I like Buffalo, but I don't love the
back end of their defense.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
They need home games. They're susceptible.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
No, And I think the weather will be an advantage
because the way to beat Buffalo show the ball down
the field and you know, on lowsy weather. I think
Baltimore Buffalo. I think the Chargers you have to take seriously.
I think Philadelphia and Green Bay rams everybody but Philadelphia's
got holes.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Philadelphia has bad habs, but they don't have roster liabilities.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Final story Colin college football. By the way, this weekend
in college oh my state. Yeah, this past.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Weekend it was fine.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Bill Belichick at North Carolina got smoked by UCF. I
watched some of this. They are in neckt Colin. It
was thirty four to nine. Belichick has been outscored eighty
two to twenty three by two Big twelve opponents, and
they have one of the worst offenses in the country
five point three yards per play. Not looking good for Belichick.
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I will admit that I whiffed on this. I just
thought Belichick could coach him up, and he's look a revel.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Look at Bill Belichick's offensive career without Brady Cleveland pre
Brady new England post Brady new England Carolina. Look at
his offensive output. I mean I watched i YouTube. I
didn't watch it live. I was watching Nebraska Michigan was
the game I was already concentrating on, and then Syracuse
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Clemson early in USC late. But I watched the YouTube
highlights on this. They don't have any playmate, I mean,
they just don't have good enough offensive players.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
The staff wants me to know that we have video
of Belichick's young girlfriend giving him a pregame pep talk.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
So can we roll that footage here?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Everybody wants to see Jordan Hudson's very nice outfit.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
He's got the knee high boots. The I'm gonna stop
describing it. Bottom line.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
That's about the highlight there for the Tar Heels, who
next faced Clemson. CLEMS is not good, but this game
had a lot of interest, like I don't know, five
weeks ago and now it's like, oh goodness.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I guess people, I guess John Gruden didn't like this
a lot this morning on the wake up.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Well, I mean he said, never seen this wife or
girlfriend on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I don't know what to make of it.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I I mean she's running sort of his social media
stuff and maybe.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
He wants to be on television. What do you dor
to make of it? She wants the cameras picking her up.
You don't take that outfit is look at me?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Everyone?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Come on, you're maybe right.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I don't know. By the way, this weekend Oregon at
Penn State, Oh that's going to be good. Yeah, bamat Georgia,
USC at Illinois. I'll be there, LSU and all miss
that is going to be some heat.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I just texted the wife Saturday, I'm off limits. You know,
let's get it. Let's get an uber for the kids.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I think, I think, I like boy.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
It's hard to bet against Penn State at home at
night too, that's a rough one. I'd probably take Penn
State USC.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I'm not betting against Dan Lanning and a big spot.
James Strengthlin loves to lay a big egg. You know
that against teen does James Franklin.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You can never win the big game.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Maybe this is it.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
God, that's gonna be great TV. Jmack with the News.
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I mean, I'm telling you you know I said last
week Jim Harbaugh greatest football coach of all time?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
All I got. All I got back was pushback.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Well, I hope you watched yesterday because another example of that.
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Speaker 4 (37:08):
You say Illinois was gonna be in like the playoff or.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Something that was?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Then I watched the Indiana game.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
The Indiana quarterback is now like a Heisman contender.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I was like, what who is this guy?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
So, first of all, we've talked about this a lot
on the show. There are so many good offensive coaches
that before you bury a quarterback, he probably has a
potential career resurrection. So Mac Jones the league gave up
on it's over. Not Kyle Shanahan. He's now two and
zero with the San Francisco forty nine ers, and he's
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not handing the ball off to Christian McCaffrey eighty attempts
in his two starts. So Mac Jones is Again, there
are so many smart offensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Kyle Shanahan's one of them.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
You think Mac Jones' career is over, it used to
be twenty years years ago.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
It would have been over. Not what happens anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You get second, third, and fourth chances because of the
great offensive coaching. Daniel Jones. I mean we all rolled
our eyes when he went to the Vikings. Oh give
me a break, They're not gonna make Daniel Jones. But
Daniel Jones is throwing the ball down the field for
the Colt six of nine yesterday on downfield throws. But
he was always a big guy who moved well. He
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is spinning it. Danny Dimes is Danny Dollars. He is
spinning it.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So this is something we've been on for two or
three years. It used to be if your first team
and you didn't work, it was over. You may get
a second chance. Guys are getting second, third, fourth, fifth
chances and Mac and Dan Jones look great thanks to
great offensive coaching and decent support systems. The other thing
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is Matt Hasselbeck was on earlier. We talked about Herbert
and Harbaugh. If Jim Harbaugh could go to the lab
and create a quarterback, it would be a big, smart, strong, tough, coachable,
egoless quarterback. And that's what Justin Herbert is. Herbert yesterday
got hit fourteen times. He got pressured on fifty five
(39:12):
percent of his snaps. He got the snot kicked out
of him, and that kid just stayed in the pocket.
And I think his physical resilience is remarkable. And here's
here's Matt Hasselback earlier on Harbaugh unlocking Justin Herbert to
another level.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Harbaugh basically said, listen, I'm going to get the best
of Justin Herbert by having this philosophy. And now you're
seeing it this year. You're seeing Justin Herbert put the
team on his back, playing like an MVP, making all
world throws in the pocket, feeling healthy enough to do it.
I think Harbaugh has the vision for what Herbert can be,
and everyone's buying in. Everyone's buying in. I think the
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opponent is starting to buy in a little bit too, like, oh, shoot, man,
this guy is one of the elite coquarterbacks. You know,
even when we call the perfect play defensively, he goes
above the x'es and o's and makes stuff happen.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I thought the AFC West was the most difficult division
for me to predict. I picked Denver, Kansas City Chargers.
I thought the Rashawn Slater injury would be a little
bit of a death knell for the offense. Well, they've
unlocked Quinton Johnson, who looked like a bust a year ago. Nope,
Lad McConkie still great, Hampton now coming into his own.
(40:29):
Joe All didn't give up a sack yesterday, but moved
right tackle the left. He's been excellent. And Jim Harbaugh
is now fourteen and seven as a Charger coach. Twelve
to zero last year at Michigan, so Jim Harbaugh's last
thirty three games. He has a winning percentage of almost
seventy nine percent at Michigan with the Chargers, and he
inherited a mess. The culture was broken, the defense was broken.
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Herbert wasn't broken, but he wasn't at his best. He
had regressed. Now and I've said everybody in life, if
needs their kingmaker, it doesn't matter if you're listening to me.
You're a salesperson, you're a manager, everybody. You can't do
it in an island. And justin Herbert was always talented.
We have unlocked. We have unlocked the perfect marriage. And
(41:15):
I said earlier there have been great matches and marriages
in our life. Harbaugh and Herbert take a back seat.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
To nobody.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
You can say what Simon and Garfunkel. Don't tell me
Herbert and Harbaugh could not have been Simon and Garfunkel,
Mario and Luigi, don't tell me they're taking a back
seat to those guys, or Abbott and Costello. I'm not
buying it. Herbert and Harbaugh are in their class. Hey,
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Batman and Robin jmact, don't kid yourself. These guys are
the Batman and Robin of the NFL. Zick, Freed and
Roy may be a little bit of a stretch. I'll
be honest, this one's a bit of a stretch. All
I know is when I watch Herbert and Harbaugh, there
are coaches and quarterbacks that like I think Mahomes and
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Reid won the great play designer and won the hyper
creative quarterback. Reid and Mahomes is a perfect marriage. Sometimes
coaches tolerate quarterbacks Pete Harrol, Russell Wilson. It feels like
they're tolerating each other. Herbert and Harbaugh. To me, I mean,
this is what Jim Harbaugh was, a less talented version
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of Herbert. Big, tough, strong, smart, resilient, tough like that,
That's what Harball was. He didn't have huge talent, but
he was talented. I think Jim knows, like we all know,
he came here for Herbert. I think Herbert's better than
he thought. I think Justin Herbert is better than Jim
Harbaugh thought. And I think Jim Harbaugh and that opening
(42:51):
press conference thought he was great.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
Jmack, it was the craziest day I can remember if
there was some really, I mean Green Bay, Cleveland was
about as ugly as football gats.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It was a rock fight.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
San Francisco, Arizona Tampa Jets was a blowout. Then it
wasn't There is so much to talk about. Matt Hasselbeck's
about four minutes out. It was not a great day
for are one of us with our picks. I think
we both have the ravens tonight we do.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I need to hear little more positivity for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You know how there's the Magnificent seven Stocks, right, the
tech Stocks.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
There needs to be a super six for quarterbacks because
I think Herbert and Hurts have played their way in.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Colin, come on, they've been spectacular.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
On maybe Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh yeah, So on a Monday Colin Wright Colin wrong,
And here.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
We go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Jim Harbaugh world's best football coach. Three and zero pulling
away in the AFC West. The Chargers run a short week.
They fumbled the opening kickoff, they lost Nausee Harris Khalil
Max not playing. But Harbaugh has in his career found
ways to win uglyague games. And you got to give
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this team credit. Quintin Johnson look like a bust at
wide receiver. Harbaugh's like, nope, we're gonna feed him the ball.
We're gonna throw it to him half a dozen times deep.
And the Chargers win a game because they have the
greatest football coach of all time.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
The Packers led ten to nothing in the fourth and
still lost to Cleveland. They were my number one team
in the league. What was weird is they had extra
time to prep because they played on Thursday Night football,
and the offense was still disjointed. Jordan Love got hit
hard too many times. They just they didn't have a
lot of energy. They came out flat and it's the
(02:27):
National Football League. Jordan Love didn't have a lot of time.
They didn't get a touchdown until late third quarter. I
thought this was a team without a major flaw, and
maybe it's just energy because they lacked it against Cleveland
on the road.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I've said this about Kyle Shanahan. I predicted the Niners
would have a lot of injuries, and I've said before
Kyle is the great quarterback whisperer. Mac Jones is not
only two to zero, they're asking him to throw as
much as Justin Herbert. The dude has eighty pass attempts
in two starts with a wide receiver corp that's all
banged up, George Kittle banged up. You can say what
(03:05):
you want about Kyle Shanahan hasn't won the big game.
Shanahan with quarterbacks the league had given up on. Mac
Jones had given up, and that guy's out there spin
at it and two to zero. Credit to Shanahan. Where
Colin was raw. I have defended CJ. Stroud for two years.
(03:26):
He's twenty ninth in passer rating dating back to last year. Now,
I know the offensive lines not great, but right now
either as the Chargers. I picked the Texans to win
the AFC South. They can't pick up first downs, they
can't run it. Protection's not great right now. CJ's got
more picks than touchdowns, averaging two hundred yards a game,
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and Demiko Ryans. I worry about this because I've said
this for years. There's something about defensive head coaches and
battle lines. Last two years, they can't get the online right.
I keep defending him, and I am wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I said Friday Carson Wentz today now is better than
JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
He may not be in six weeks.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yes, the Vikings defense was great, but I said on
Friday Show, Oh, he'll win and he'll be great. JJ
McCarthy looked overwhelmed. Carson Wentz has one hundred and thirty
passer rating yesterday, seventy percent completion rate in total control.
The reason I like Carson Wentz is look at the
coaches who like him. Kevin O'Connell liked him Sean McVay
(04:33):
liked him. He keeps bouncing around to smart offensive coaches.
Carson Wentz was reckless, got banged up, but I will
defend him. I think he's honestly one of the most
talented backup quarterbacks in fact, easily in the National Football League.
And yesterday you can win a bunch of games with
Carson Wentz. And that's staff, those weapons and Brian Florence
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where Colin was raw. I gave up on Daniel Jones.
Forget Danny Dimes.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
He's Danny.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He is dealing with baby now. He's got a good
old line in nice weapons. But he made plays yesterday.
Is he the next Baker? Is he the next Sam Darnold?
I said, give me a break. He's throwing the ball downfield.
This is not thinking dunk. Danny Dollars was six to nine,
ten plus yards down the field. This isn't a mirage.
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He's not fooled anybody. He's making big boy NFL throws.
Indy had their first punt all season, so I mean
he's playing with confidence. Well, he's got Shane Stiken. Shane
Stikeen ain't making the throws. He is making big boy
downfield rows.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And I'm wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Jaden Mayov a USC is anybody paying attention nine tds,
no pick, seventy one percent completion percentage.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't want to hear about their schedule.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
For all the people that doubt Lincoln Riley, this kid
last year was reckless and out of control. He looks unbelievable.
They were missing their first or second best wide receiver.
They lead the nation in the yards per play touchdown
favorite of Illinois. This kid has cleaned up his entire
game again. Last year he was young, he was reckless,
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He kind of played out of control. I didn't think
he was very good. Between the hash marks, he is
making big time throws and great decisions.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Coming out of Ohio State, I thought Marvin Harrison was
can't miss, more like can't catch. Is he a bust? Honestly,
I don't know what's happened. He's not separating. They don't
target him, can catches three games. I don't know what
it was. I thought he was a guaranteed stud. I
just thought physically he would be a mismatch, but lost confidence.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
They don't target him.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I mean he was drafted above like Rowanduande and neighbors,
and I don't see it like at all.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Where Colin was wrong? Cade klubnick Ken Clemson quarterback. What happened?
And Clemson's got a NFL guy.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
There, one hundred and thirteenth in FCF and scoring offense.
I thought he could be a top two or three
quarterback drafted. Clemson's zero to two in the ACC and
they haven't played Miami yet. They're one in three overall.
Fell into a deep hole against Syracu. I watched this
entire game. I don't know what the problem is. Maybe
they should have gone to the transfer portal. Clemson refuses
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to do the nil holding the ball too long. I mean,
I have no idea. It's total regression, lower completion percentage,
more interceptions, fewer yards per game. Nothing looks right. I
had a lot of wrongs this week. I got to
own them. I had a lot of wrongs yesterday. And
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with that, Matt Hasselbeck stops by eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Man, I was wrong a lot. Col wrong.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
I like when you admit when you were wrong. It's
just I love the humility.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh well, I don't have it often, but boy, I'm
bringing my fastball today, I will say that us listen.
I know it's the bear'st the Dallas defense, but here's
what I did, Like, they've got a lot that there's
a lot of people that need to eat there. They've
got a Luther Burden and Roma Dunza and Dj Moore
and two tight ends. And I did think there was
a rhythm Matt to the offense. I thought that a
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couple drives where it was like the screen game, the
run game. They played the clockwell, I did sense a
rhythm or is that just Dallas's bad defense.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
It's both, but it was clearly Yeah, rhythm, timing, accuracy.
No sacks is huge, Yeah, good pass protection. This was
easily Caleb Williams's best game as a pro. Easily. It
was fun to watch. If you're a Bears fan, You're like, oh, shoot,
this is sick, Like this is what we could be.
Ben Johnson, I mean he is like you see why
he was so good in this division going up against
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guys like Matt Eberflus, like he knew the division. I
think there is something nice about game planning people that
you actually know, like you know them as well as
they know themselves. You know what they're never going to
change where they're never going to change. But I just
thought it was a credible you know, and you know,
just you know, Caleb obviously deserves his credit. He did
a really nice job. But guy, it really wasn't a
lot of contested touchdowns, Like guys were wide open. Like
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I don't have like a next gen stats kind of
thing on it, but like, usually touchdown passes are hard
to come by, you know, usually guys end up on
the ground. A lot of times. These were stand up,
nobody near me type touchdowns. It was an impressive, impressive
win for Chicago and equally is embarrassing for Dallas. Like
if you're Dallas, you're feeling pretty good last week and
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now you're kind of like, who the heck are we?
Like this is this is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I want to know, though, do players look at it
and think the Bears? I mean, like the Bear players today?
Is it self belief in that locker room? Or is
there a sense Dallas is bad? Like were you ever
on a team that you were struggling to find your footing?
You beat a really bad team, how does that usually
translate the following week? Because they have the very average
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Raiders coming up.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
It's two things. Number one, never apologize for a win.
Never Like we would say that in every locker room ever,
Like it would just be like, never apologize. I don't
care how bad they were, how much disarray they're in.
It's really hard to get a win. Like, we put
our heart and soul into this thing. We're going to
celebrate it on a Sunday. But now here's the thing.
Win or lose that game plan, that celebration, all of
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that that has to just kind of evaporate and go away.
It's like it never happened. You know, maybe there's a
feel good feeling. I think the hard thing after a
win is you've got to correct the things that need
to be corrected. Sometimes in a loss, you know, you
look at everything under a magnifying glass and you're like, okay,
we've got to get a little bit better in the
details here. After a win, sometimes you sweep things under
the rug in terms of like technique or hey, we
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got our way with one here, and you don't necessarily
improve as the season's going going on. So I think
they'll be fine. Ben Johnson seems like a little bit
of a workaholic, and I don't think. I don't think
he's going to let him off the hook that way.
But I think a game like that for Chicago, with
the scrutiny that they're quarterback has been under, is going
to give some confidence to a team that needs a
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little bit of confidence.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
One of the things that I don't think we talk
about in the media enough, and I don't think fans
realize it, is that even practice is hard in football.
You know, basketball practice you get a good sweat. Baseball
practice you're in the cage. Football practice, you tackle and
get hurt and the weather's off and awful. So in
the NFL, just even when you don't get sacked, but
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you get hit, and you get hit like Justin Herbert
fourteen times and pressured fifty five times. I'm watching Herbert
yesterday and I'm like, I hope people realize what it
is like to play in the game. Forget just the
sacks where you're getting hammered fourteen or fifteen times. I
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think if if Harbaugh could go to a lab and
build a quarterback, it would be Justin Herbert. I mean,
when I watched him yesterday, I'm like, do people understand
how often he's getting hit?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah, and I think he would build Andrew Luck and
I think Justin Herbert has all those qualities that Andrew
Luck had. You know, I think when I think of Harbaugh,
I think of what he did at Stanford, and it
wasn't a pass first offense there either. You know, it
was a hard nosed, physical, inside the tackles running team.
And that's I think the identity that he came in
with last year. And everyone said, oh, you're not using
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Justin Herbert enough, he's not throwing the ball enough. And
Harbob basically said, listen, I'm going to get the best
of Justin Herbert by having this philosophy. And now you're
seeing it this year. You're seeing Justin Herbert put the
team on his back, playing like an MVP, making all
world throws in the pocket, feeling healthy enough to do it.
I mean, listen, I'm old enough to remember when this
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dude was playing with like broken fingers and all the
broken ribs and all these types of things. Down two
scores in the fourth quarter, still in the game. That's
not a recipe for a long career. It's not a
recipe for playing great in the playoffs. I think Harbaugh
has the vision for what Herbert can be, and everyone's
buying in. Everyone's buying in. I think the opponent is
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starting to buy in a little bit too, Like, oh, shoot, man,
this guy is one of the elite quarterbacks. You know,
even when we call the perfect play defensively, he goes
above the x's and o's and makes stuff happen. And
I think that, you know, protecting him a little bit
is a way to unleash him, and I think Harbaugh
has done a great job of it.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
You know, I don't know what happened at halftime, because
you guys only have fifteen minutes, and a couple of
those minutes are burned.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I think it's thirteen. Yeah, it's thirteen minutes, depending on
the stadium.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So Philadelphia trails twenty six to seven, they have minus
one yards passing, They go in for their thirteen quick
minutes as they're drinking gatorade and have an orange license.
They come out and the offense is totally reborn. What
did Philadelphia, in your opinion, do at halftime to literally
rework the entire game plan?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah, one of the biggest things you do at halftime
is use the bathroom. Sometimes you got to hold it
and like it's tough, you feel a lot better than
the second half. That's a fun fact in case, in
case you wanted to know. But I think the other
thing that can happen is you get a consensus, you
have a short meeting. It's very quick, and sometimes it
can be got that big like you know, waffle house
call sheet looking like thing and you say, hey, we
got to get Aj the ball. They're leaving AJ one
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on one backside of three by one formations, meaning three
eligible receivers on one side. Our ex receiver, our AJ
Brown is by himself backside. We got to give him opportunities.
That's what I saw. I saw a team that came
in at halftime and said, hey, AJ needs to be
a part of this. And you know, we've seen kind
of devo receivers like flip out on the sidelines and
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that kind of thing over the years. I don't think
that's what we've seen out of Aj this year. He's
had a he's kind of had a good in a
good mental state. He's been doing a great job blocking,
and I think that's the better way to handle it
as a talented receiver coming at halftime, be like, hey,
I got my guy. These guys cannot hold me one
on one. And that's what I saw, and that when
AJ is cooking, when AJ Brown's getting opportunities, the Philly
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offense unlocks. And you know, the poise and the demeanor
of Jalen Hurts is awesome. But AJ Brown, to me,
is the difference maker in a big way for that
for that scheme.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So I picked the Seahawks to be one of my
surprise teams. Like I love the NFL draft. I thought
they had their third straight excellent draft. But I also
love how they're using Sam Darnold. You know, everybody's like
his JS and and number one. I'm like, yeah, it
looks like to me. And they got this kid, this
fifth round kid out of Colorado State. He looks like
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he's a big time player.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But I don't know. I just I watched the speed.
I watched the velocity.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean that first half yesterday against the Saints Matt
it looked like a pro team and a really good
college team like it was. You don't see that in
the NFL very much. Where Seattle had the ball seven
minutes and led thirty eight to six. I think the
Seattle thing, I mean, they blew the Steelers out in
Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh's now going to winning record. What do
you make of how they're using Donald?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Well, I think it was a swing and a miss
week one. You know, Week one, they played the Niners,
and they got away from what they wanted to be.
They became this like drop back, shotgun team without a
full back. And I think Mike McDonald did a good
job of kind of correcting the market a little bit
going into week two. No, no, no, no, that's not
the vision. Here's the vision. I want to be a
downhill play action team. I want to be under center more,
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I want to move the pocket. I want to have
a fullback in the game. That's what I want to be.
And here's how it fits with our offense and our
special teams and our defense. And I think message was
heard loud and clear. This is one of the best
offenses the last two weeks. Yesterday was like you said
it was, it was big brother little brother scoring on
special teams. But you know, really, when you look at
the pass protection around Sam Darnald, I think that's the
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key for him and JSN is one of the game's
best receivers that people don't talk about don't know about.
He kind of had a little bit of a flu
game yesterday where he came out and you know, looked
like Michael Jordan at times. But when offensive line mean
get to fire hire out and play run action at
least half the time, it helps everything. And I think
that's the thing that some people do well. Some people
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talk about it but don't do it as well. Seattle,
I would say week two and week three, they've figured
that out, and so you know, if you can continue that,
I think that Sam Darnold can have the kind of
year that he had last year without Kevin O'Connell, without
Justin Jefferson. He's playing really really good football right now.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So I do think Worthy and Rashi Rice would help.
But I tend to believe offenses are about the play designer,
the quarterback and the offensive line, and an offensive line
can take an average back and make him a B
plus back. I look at Kansas City and I don't
care if the receivers come back.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
They can't run the ball.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
The pass protection, I don't think Mahomes always trusted. I
think we have to be honest about what Kansas City
is right now. Offensively, I mean they're like twenty second
in time of possession. I don't think they're going to
be a very good offense. I think they'll get slight
lead better, but I mean with Mahomes and Reid, they
can't pick up first downs. I mean, do you think
the two new receivers or the two receivers coming back
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will make a huge difference.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Yeah, I think it'd be a big difference. But you know,
Kansas City almost feels like this this team to me
that they're almost like just like bored right now. It's
almost like, yeah, we're just gonna kind of like like
an NBA team that's just like, yeah, we'll wait till
the playoffs to play our best football.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
You know, like that's almost the mindset. Not that they're
not trying. I know that they're trying, but they just
seem how to sink. I think they're not like we
talked about all those things earlier about playing on rhythm
and spreading the ball around and like put helping out
the guys around you in terms of offensive line, they're
just doing what they always did and they're less talented
than they used to be. You know, injuries are a thing.
Age is a thing, you know, maybe some some of
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maybe like people have like figured them out and studied
them a little bit, so they maybe need to get
a little refresher. And sometimes they can be their own
worst enemy, like just getting too cute at times. But no,
I think this is a team that'll be relevant the
end of the year. They just might not get to
play it at Arrowhead, that's all. You know. They might
be a road team the entire playoffs. And again I
think they're They're just one of those teams that they
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would be fine with it. They're resilient that way, and
I also would not be surprised to see them being
active at the trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
No, I think there's a I think the Rams need
a corner if they want to be you know. I mean,
I think there's some teams that just need things and
you can't solve them in your own camp.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Finally, there's a Yeah, there's a you know that I'm
watching the Tyreek Hills situation very closely because if that
team gets really bad, you know, would would that make sense?
Would Tyreek Hill going back to Kansas City ever be
a thing? I'm curious about that that would change what
that offense would look like, right, away.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Finally, I want to go back to Josh Allen. I
said this last week that I always thought there were
things you could change about a quarterback. You can't change
their size, but you can you can't change certain traits.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And I always said, man, you find these.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Reckless quarterbacks reckless early, reckless late, like that's DNA, that's that.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Some guys are.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Just just to just play with a chip. They play
a little loose like Jay Cutler was like always to me,
like big time talent. He was gonna throw bad picks.
Philip Rivers did that, and Josh Allen has literally eliminated
like his flaw. And I don't know who to give
credit for, but the fact in his last twelve games
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he's got thirty touchdowns and one pick. I don't think
I've ever seen anything like that. Well, what do you
make of it?
Speaker 5 (20:28):
He's incredible. I mean every single year, at the end
of the year you could point to this is the
thing that he's improved on. I think he deserves a
lot of credit, but I think the coaches as well,
Like he was reckless with his body and reckless with
the ball at the beginning of his career. Then he
became just reckless with his body and less reckless with
the ball. Now, I don't think he's reckless at all, hardly,
And I think what they've done is they've said, Okay,
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you want to be crazy, you know, with your scrambles
and all this kind of stuff, Let's do some design
quarterback runs. Let's run you know, like we're faking into
the running back but you're actually reading it. And then
let's run counter pulling the guard, pulling the tackle, and
it's quarterback run game. It's a lot of college run game,
but it's almost like they're saying, hey, you get your six, seven,
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eight yards and get down or at least like as
a quarterback. I know this from from personal experience, when
you know the hits coming, it's not nearly as bad.
It's it's when you don't know that it's coming that
that's kind of where injuries can happen. So I think
there's like a little bit more design, in a little
bit more structure to him as as sort of like
being reckless quote unquote, like it's almost like the illusion
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of reckless, but it's really within the play design. And
I just think he's been he's been awesome. Teammates love him.
The stadium loves him, you know all those things. I
think the opponent fears him. I think it's really cool
to see. You know, he is definitely on the mount Rushmore,
on the podium. Whatever you want to say. With the
top quarterbacks in the game right now.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Good stuff as always, Matt Hasselbeck, my friend, thanks on
a Monday for.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Stopping by Seeklin. Yeah, it's a It was the nuttiest
day all week. Jmack kept telling me Atlanta looks tasty,
and I said, Jmack, I can show you receipts of
thirty years betting the Falcons. But there were some genuine surprises.
I mean, green Bay with extra prep to lose at
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Cleveland is a job dropper and in the box almost
squandering a lady six leagues at home with Baker. I mean,
now we had one major upset, we almost had four
other ones major Colin.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Let me give you the list of quarterbacks who threw
for under two hundred yards yesterday. Matthew Stafford, Jordan Love,
Russell Wilson Kyler, Murray bo Nix, Aaron Rodgers, Bryce Young
threw for one hundred and twenty one yards and one
thirty to nothing. Yesterday was crazy. Nothing's making sense. How
is Stafford held to two hundred yards? I don't really understand.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
What's interesting is I mean, they came, they had a
chance to seal that game.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Pooka dropped the touchdown. It wasn't easy, no, no, no,
not easy, but.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
He dropped that and then you think, okay, they'll get
a field goal and it got blocked and that was
the game. Like, if you're on the road against Philadelphia,
you got to make one of those two. You either
got to make the field goal or you got to
catch the touchdown. And when they missed both, I was like, okay, okay,
you cannot do that against Philadelphia because Philadelphia in the
second half, I mean you saw it. They just decided
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we're gonna go to AJ Brown and the Rams don't
have the personnel to stop that.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
So do you still trade AJ Brown if you're the
Eagles or do you just hold on to them.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Let's move here.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I pulled that take over to a rest area. I'm
gonna get a dunkin Donuts. We'll wait a little bit
on that.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That's good.
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Speaker 1 (25:00):
Tomorrow we give you the Herd Hierarchy. Let a sneak
of bears in there.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, a little off to me, you know, I mean,
just I'll try to be positive on a Monday.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
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Speaker 3 (25:20):
I think the audience is going to be rooting for
the Colts to be ahead of the chiefs and the
Herd hierarchy. Let's start with those fumbling, bumbling Kansas City chiefs.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Colin, Hey, look at this drama.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Andy Reid and Travis Kelsey, little chest bump, will shut
your mouth a little. I don't know what's going on here.
I didn't think it was anything. I thought it was
kind of Read pumping his guys up. But then if
you look at that angle, Colin Read is actually hot.
He's very heated. Here's Andy down playing of course the interaction.
Speaker 9 (25:52):
So I love Travis's passion. Man, So I'm okay, with that,
we didn't have enough of it. Second quarter. It wasn't
where we needed to be within reason. You know, he
knows he knows when to when to back off the
pedal and knows when to push it too. So that's
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part I love about him and the guys all in,
you know, just sometimes I have to be the policeman.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yes, you know Steve Kerr and Draymond Green when they
were in the middle of that dynasty, there were.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Locker room.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Collisions like I think this is I mean, Brady and
Josh McDaniel. This is the one thing I'm going to
say when you get it, when you have a great
team and you've won titles, the intensity and the pressure
to win again, all eyes on you. Like this stuff
doesn't bought a Peyton Manning in his prime and Jeff
Saturday going at it. It's like, No, that's the way
it works. When you're a bad team, you're not as
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all in and that you have less like like I mean,
these guys are playing for legacies and titles. Kelsey, this
could be his last year. Andy Reid, He's not going
to be coaching in seven year. So whenever I see
great teams as they age and they have these dust
ups like sometimes as Dynasty's age, what you lose is juice,
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and I think Andy Reid said we just did not
bring the juice in the first half.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
They also had one of these in the Super Bowl
on the sideline, so that's two in the last four games.
By the way, here's Travis Kelce's season numbers. Ten catches,
one hundred and thirty four yards in a touchdown. That's
like a Trey McBride Sunday. Okay, Travis Kelce season has
ten catches.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Colin, I think, well, I think it's fair to say
Travis is going to have great games like Baltimore next week.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
He'll be ready to go oh.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Really, Okay, yeah, he's gonna Torturo Kwan Smith and come okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I'm not saying he's going to but I'm saying he's
at the point in his career where he picks his
spots a little bit.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's not ideal, but I think he is. He is.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't think he picked this last night as a
spot to light up the Giants, and he had four
cats since for twenty six yards. Colin, again, I know
Chiefs fans thinks I'm just being a hater. If you
watch them, this is not the same Chiefs team from
two three years ago.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It's just not.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
No, they are not They're not good. They can let's
get at all cannot. Yeah, let's go to the Cowboys.
Colin listen, I don't know what honor Jerry Jones is
talking about. I guess he felt like neglected and people
weren't talking about him, so now he said something silly again,
Jerry Jones after the loss to the Bears, where they
looked terrible, he still believes his team is playoff caliber?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Is this a.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Playoff caliber team? The Cowboys?
Speaker 10 (28:39):
I will tell you yes, yes, And it's because you
saw number four out there today and you saw what
I think we're capable of doing in the running game
and that type deal.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So yes, I fully do.
Speaker 10 (28:52):
Now we've got to as we evolve toward the playoffs,
we've got to get better defensively.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I will say this, Ceedee Lamb gets hurt. This is
a very top heavy roster. You take out Micah, the
defense is worse. When they took out Ceedee Lamb. You've
got turpin and Tolbert Pickens does not separate. He's just
hard to bring down. You've got solid tight ends. Dak
Prescott wanted to throw the ball down the field. You
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could see him. He was getting time to throw when
he was patting the ball. Dak is not a dink
and dung guy. Dak was trying to throw the ball
down the field, Jason. When Ceedee Lamb was out, nobody
is open. Dak had time he was. Dak wanted to
throw down field and there Pickens is a great after
the catch, hard to bring down guy, but he doesn't
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separate like Ceedee Lamb. He's not that guy. And so
I think what happens is basically yesterday. No Micah knows
Ceedee Lamb and it's a bunch of b players and
see players. Those guys are a's. You take him out,
there is a major drop off off. I mean, Jamonte
Williams has been nice. Dak is very good, but Dak
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was limited. There's just nobody to throw to that gets open.
Look how open the Bears receivers were, Look how open
the Cowboys were when Ceedee Lamb got not good.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
You know, since my car got repossessed from losing bets
on the Titans and Falcons, I may have to just
put everything. I've got everything. Maybe you confront me my
salary on the Packers this week against the Cowboys. Kyle
if Ceedee Lamb is out there getting destroyed, and I
think they lose anyway. I think Jordan Love is going
to do what Caleb did and what Russell Wilson did,
and he's going to like this defense up in Cowboys Stadium.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Do you think Cowboys season over of one and three?
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, I just I mean, I think we both said this.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
One of the reasons they moved off the Micah Parsons
contract is they just did not want to be top heavy.
So now they have four first round picks in the
next two drafts, and those could become because they don't
need a quarterback. So Jason, that's a great place to
be in. We got two first round picks. I mean,
the Rams are gonna take their two firsts and probably
get a quarterback. Same with Cleveland. Dallas has two firsts
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and they don't need a quarterback. Okay, that's incredible leverage.
So what Dallas needed to do was listen, this is
gonna be bad for a year. He's gonna go to
Green Band be great. We're gonna look like idiots. Just
wait till April. Dallas will refurnish their roster. They'll get
multiple picks out of their two first. They're just not
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equipped right now. If Ceedee Lamb gets hurt, there's nobody
that separates on this receiving court.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Why don't we take it a step further, Colin, instead
of just having a couple picks, why don't we go
and move Trayvon Diggs to somebody who needs a quarterback.
I mean, our center's out there.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Let's just start training guys on our defense. It ain't
stopping anybody anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Well, that is not terrible.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Now Diggs has a bad I think Biggs, I gotta
look at his contract before I speak.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
But you guys just start moving off defenders. I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Just somebody want pickings for a stretch run here? You
know he's playing for a contract.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I don't know. Kansas City g like at some point,
if you're Dallas, if you get smoked by the packers,
you're one and three. I know it's nobody wants to tank,
but why not what I consider it, Colin?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I think they're I think Houston may want to start
moving parts.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I don't I don't know. I mean, well they've got
I mean they have.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
No offensive line. What's on? No, but the Chargers could
be in the market for offensive line. They need some help, right.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
No, I think the Chargers O line rams corner. I
think there's a handful of team. I mean, Kansas City
may be in the market for a running back man.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Maybe you need a shopping list segment of who's going
to be going after pick at all. It does feel
like every year the Chiefs are going to be in
the Super Bowl, right It feels like it's kind of
wide open right now.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Like if I ask you who's going.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
To be in the Super Bowl NFCAC right now, who
you got?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Well?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I think I like Buffalo, but I don't love the
back end of their defense.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
They need home games. They're susceptible.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
No, And I think the weather will be an advantage
because the way to beat Buffalo show the ball down
the field and you know, on lowsy weather. I think
Baltimore Buffalo. I think the Chargers you have to take seriously.
I think Philadelphia and Green Bay rams everybody but Philadelphia's
got holes.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Philadelphia has bad habs, but they don't have roster liabilities.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Final story Colin college football. By the way, this weekend
in college oh my state. Yeah, this past.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Weekend it was fine.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Bill Belichick at North Carolina got smoked by UCF. I
watched some of this. They are in neckt Colin. It
was thirty four to nine. Belichick has been outscored eighty
two to twenty three by two Big twelve opponents, and
they have one of the worst offenses in the country
five point three yards per play. Not looking good for Belichick.
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I will admit that I whiffed on this. I just
thought Belichick could coach him up, and he's look a revel.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Look at Bill Belichick's offensive career without Brady Cleveland pre
Brady new England post Brady new England Carolina. Look at
his offensive output. I mean I watched i YouTube. I
didn't watch it live. I was watching Nebraska Michigan was
the game I was already concentrating on, and then Syracuse
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Clemson early in USC late. But I watched the YouTube
highlights on this. They don't have any playmate, I mean,
they just don't have good enough offensive players.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
The staff wants me to know that we have video
of Belichick's young girlfriend giving him a pregame pep talk.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
So can we roll that footage here?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Everybody wants to see Jordan Hudson's very nice outfit.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
He's got the knee high boots. The I'm gonna stop
describing it. Bottom line.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
That's about the highlight there for the Tar Heels, who
next faced Clemson. CLEMS is not good, but this game
had a lot of interest, like I don't know, five
weeks ago and now it's like, oh goodness.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I guess people, I guess John Gruden didn't like this
a lot this morning on the wake up.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Well, I mean he said, never seen this wife or
girlfriend on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I don't know what to make of it.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I I mean she's running sort of his social media
stuff and maybe.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
He wants to be on television. What do you dor
to make of it? She wants the cameras picking her up.
You don't take that outfit is look at me?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Everyone?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Come on, you're maybe right.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I don't know. By the way, this weekend Oregon at
Penn State, Oh that's going to be good. Yeah, bamat Georgia,
USC at Illinois. I'll be there, LSU and all miss
that is going to be some heat.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I just texted the wife Saturday, I'm off limits. You know,
let's get it. Let's get an uber for the kids.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I think, I think, I like boy.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
It's hard to bet against Penn State at home at
night too, that's a rough one. I'd probably take Penn
State USC.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I'm not betting against Dan Lanning and a big spot.
James Strengthlin loves to lay a big egg. You know
that against teen does James Franklin.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You can never win the big game.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Maybe this is it.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
God, that's gonna be great TV. Jmack with the News.
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I mean, I'm telling you you know I said last
week Jim Harbaugh greatest football coach of all time?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
All I got. All I got back was pushback.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Well, I hope you watched yesterday because another example of that.
It's the hurd.
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Then it's you, I see Illinois only on.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Fox, got my red shoes taking the train down to
Champagne orvanad You didn't.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
You say Illinois was gonna be in like the playoff or.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Something that was?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Then I watched the Indiana game.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
The Indiana quarterback is now like a Heisman contender.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I was like, what who is this guy?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
So, first of all, we've talked about this a lot
on the show. There are so many good offensive coaches
that before you bury a quarterback, he probably has a
potential career resurrection. So Mac Jones the league gave up
on it's over. Not Kyle Shanahan. He's now two and
zero with the San Francisco forty nine ers, and he's
(37:42):
not handing the ball off to Christian McCaffrey eighty attempts
in his two starts. So Mac Jones is Again, there
are so many smart offensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Kyle Shanahan's one of them.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
You think Mac Jones' career is over, it used to
be twenty years years ago.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
It would have been over. Not what happens anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You get second, third, and fourth chances because of the
great offensive coaching. Daniel Jones. I mean we all rolled
our eyes when he went to the Vikings. Oh give
me a break, They're not gonna make Daniel Jones. But
Daniel Jones is throwing the ball down the field for
the Colt six of nine yesterday on downfield throws. But
he was always a big guy who moved well. He
(38:23):
is spinning it. Danny Dimes is Danny Dollars. He is
spinning it.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So this is something we've been on for two or
three years. It used to be if your first team
and you didn't work, it was over. You may get
a second chance. Guys are getting second, third, fourth, fifth
chances and Mac and Dan Jones look great thanks to
great offensive coaching and decent support systems. The other thing
(38:50):
is Matt Hasselbeck was on earlier. We talked about Herbert
and Harbaugh. If Jim Harbaugh could go to the lab
and create a quarterback, it would be a big, smart, strong, tough, coachable,
egoless quarterback. And that's what Justin Herbert is. Herbert yesterday
got hit fourteen times. He got pressured on fifty five
(39:12):
percent of his snaps. He got the snot kicked out
of him, and that kid just stayed in the pocket.
And I think his physical resilience is remarkable. And here's
here's Matt Hasselback earlier on Harbaugh unlocking Justin Herbert to
another level.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Harbaugh basically said, listen, I'm going to get the best
of Justin Herbert by having this philosophy. And now you're
seeing it this year. You're seeing Justin Herbert put the
team on his back, playing like an MVP, making all
world throws in the pocket, feeling healthy enough to do it.
I think Harbaugh has the vision for what Herbert can be,
and everyone's buying in. Everyone's buying in. I think the
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opponent is starting to buy in a little bit too, like, oh, shoot, man,
this guy is one of the elite coquarterbacks. You know,
even when we call the perfect play defensively, he goes
above the x'es and o's and makes stuff happen.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I thought the AFC West was the most difficult division
for me to predict. I picked Denver, Kansas City Chargers.
I thought the Rashawn Slater injury would be a little
bit of a death knell for the offense. Well, they've
unlocked Quinton Johnson, who looked like a bust a year ago. Nope,
Lad McConkie still great, Hampton now coming into his own.
(40:29):
Joe All didn't give up a sack yesterday, but moved
right tackle the left. He's been excellent. And Jim Harbaugh
is now fourteen and seven as a Charger coach. Twelve
to zero last year at Michigan, so Jim Harbaugh's last
thirty three games. He has a winning percentage of almost
seventy nine percent at Michigan with the Chargers, and he
inherited a mess. The culture was broken, the defense was broken.
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Herbert wasn't broken, but he wasn't at his best. He
had regressed. Now and I've said everybody in life, if
needs their kingmaker, it doesn't matter if you're listening to me.
You're a salesperson, you're a manager, everybody. You can't do
it in an island. And justin Herbert was always talented.
We have unlocked. We have unlocked the perfect marriage. And
(41:15):
I said earlier there have been great matches and marriages
in our life. Harbaugh and Herbert take a back seat.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
To nobody.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
You can say what Simon and Garfunkel. Don't tell me
Herbert and Harbaugh could not have been Simon and Garfunkel,
Mario and Luigi, don't tell me they're taking a back
seat to those guys, or Abbott and Costello. I'm not
buying it. Herbert and Harbaugh are in their class. Hey,
(41:46):
Batman and Robin jmact, don't kid yourself. These guys are
the Batman and Robin of the NFL. Zick, Freed and
Roy may be a little bit of a stretch. I'll
be honest, this one's a bit of a stretch. All
I know is when I watch Herbert and Harbaugh, there
are coaches and quarterbacks that like I think Mahomes and
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Reid won the great play designer and won the hyper
creative quarterback. Reid and Mahomes is a perfect marriage. Sometimes
coaches tolerate quarterbacks Pete Harrol, Russell Wilson. It feels like
they're tolerating each other. Herbert and Harbaugh. To me, I mean,
this is what Jim Harbaugh was, a less talented version
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of Herbert. Big, tough, strong, smart, resilient, tough like that,
That's what Harball was. He didn't have huge talent, but
he was talented. I think Jim knows, like we all know,
he came here for Herbert. I think Herbert's better than
he thought. I think Justin Herbert is better than Jim
Harbaugh thought. And I think Jim Harbaugh and that opening
(42:51):
press conference thought he was great.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
You think Freeden Roy is a bit of a s thretch,
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