September 23, 2025 • 43 mins
After a disappointing loss to the Detroit Lions, Colin Cowherd questions whether Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens are true Super Bowl contenders this season
Colin responds to the story of what Shedeur Sanders told some teams before the NFL draft
Los Angeles Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert joins Colin to discuss the team’s impressive 3-0 start and what it’s like playing for Jim Harbaugh
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I hope, hope. What am I talking about?
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making us part of your day. Jamac You and I
didn't have a very good week. It was a weird,
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weird week. But when you dig deep on Detroit, you
know we talked about this brand new co ordinators. Don't
take week one to two seriously or the preseason. It
looks like they've righted the ship. They looked like Detroit
the last several years, physically upfront, pushing people around.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, it questions about the Baltimore Ravens. Hopefully you can
answer it all right.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So last night was the perfect example of how you
beat a superstar quarterback when you're the road team. Detroit
dominates time of possession, they're aggressive on fourth down, they
convert in the red zone, no field goals, we're getting touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
They bullied the home Ravens.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
For three and a half hours, super aggressive. And you
think of Baltimore as tough and physical and resilient. Now
this defense is just as soft as the Dallas Cowboys defense.
Baltimore's last in total defense. They surrender a ton of yards.
I don't want to hear about the pass rushers they
were missing. That wasn't about pass rushing last night. They
invested a lot of money in Kyle Hamilton Rowan Smith,
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their top two draft picks. They got over one hundred
million on defense, and then they're soft and by week
four and five in the NFL season, we're getting to
be a quarter of the way through it. Some of
your problems you can't solve unless at the trading deadline
you take a big swing. So this was three and
a half hours of total domination. It may have been
thirty eight to thirty It felt like forty eight to seventeen.
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And here's the weird thing is that Lamar Jackson is
so explosive that when he does lead a scoring drive,
it's often very quick. So they send that crappy defense
back on the field.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
They don't get any rest.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So the Ravens bizarrely have the second fewest plays per
drive in the league and the number one total offense,
so they don't play complimentary football. And if you look
at the last ten Super Bowls, which is twenty total teams,
there's been one awful defense Atlanta. What happened to Atlanta
in that Super Bowl? They blew a huge lead. You're
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not a Super Bowl team with that defense. So the
Ravens have a huge dilemma, which I don't know if
it's solvable, is that they score because they're so dynamic
with Lamar Jackson, He's so gifted. They score quickly, and
then the defense doesn't get a rest. It goes right
back onto the field. It's not complimentary football. Like last year,
the Lions defense stunk, but the Lions were number two
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in the league last year in time of possession, so
at least they kept their average defense on the sidelines
and they won fifteen games. That's not what Baltimore does.
Plus they got a Dereck Henry fumbles in imperfect times issue.
So and again by week four, week five, you know
you kind of you kind of know what your issues are.
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I mean, the Lions had ninety six yard drive and
seventy yard drive and ninety eight yard drive and sixty
yard drive.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
They did whatever they wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And if you look at the Baltimore game, their defense
against Detroit last night and the Ravens defense against Buffalo
combined those two games, they only forced those teams to
punt three times, three times out of thirteen total possessions.
So I went this morning and looked at the Ravens defense,
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their NFL rank, their last thirtieth, thirty first and everything. Yeah,
they were missing a double pass rushers. That wasn't about
pass rush. Detroit was in control. I mean by the
third quarter, you every time Baltimore sent that defense out
to make a stop, they couldn't. So the Ray Lewis
ed Reed days are over. This defense doesn't do a
lot well. They've spent money on it, and bizarrely, they
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score too quickly if you are weak defensively. We've talked
about this a lot, like one of the issues Kansas
City has. They have no run game, so their defense
is good, but it looks worn down in the second half. Well,
Ravens defense looks worn down in the first half. And again,
Lamar is so explosive that you just that defense on
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the field way too many snaps, and John Harbaugh saw
the same thing we did.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
The biggest problem is we didn't play good run defense.
I mean, we didn't as a defense complete. We didn't
do it. And that's not going to be good enough.
There's nobody in that locker room that thinks that's good enough.
That's disappointing, that's bad run defense, and that's not who
we are. It cannot be who we are. It's just
it's not going to be good enough. It's not going
to be acceptable, and it's got to be better.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So again, when you get to this point of the season,
trade deadlines up in about three weeks. Rams may need
a corner. Ravens have to figure out something defensively. Now
they will have pass rushers return, which could help them
in close games late if they have a lead, But
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right now this defense is just not good and they've
invested in it, and it was a major problem last night.
Let's talk lines, Let's give him some credit. So there's
a big difference. It's a fine line, but there is
a difference between stubborn guy and guy who has a
very strong self belief. And I initially thought Dan Campbell
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was a little stubborn when he would always go for
it on fourth because they didn't like their personnel. But
now that they have really good personnel, he's self belief guy.
He's never wavered on what he does. He's go for
it guy. When they went for it with a buck
fifty six left in the fourth quarter, fourth and two,
and despite the fact they'd run at will on Baltimore
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and they throw it downfield. That is self belief. That
is believing in your dudes, and they should again. I
thought Dan was reckless in his first couple of years
because going forward on fourth down with average players is dumb.
Detroit drafts really well, they got a great front office
going for it last night. I would have run. I
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think we all thought they were gonna run. But on
the two big fourth downs, the one of the goal
line kind of the double pitch, and then Nat they
throw it over the top. So I mean, that was
really clever. Both of those caught you off guard. They
don't have a touch push, and yet the last three
years they're number one in the league on fourth down conversions.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
They don't have a touch push.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
They have a golf hands it off, give it to Gibbs,
but they don't have a touch push.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
So again there's a.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Fine line between stubborn guy and hey, I believe in
what we are. And Dan Campbell took over a very
flimsy franchise. The Lions always had talent, Barry Sanders, Matt Stafford,
Calvin Johnson. They always had talent, they had no identity.
And so Dan came into a fault and said, we're
going to be tough, relentless and physical and super aggressive.
And again I was like, I don't know, but going
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forward on fourth down, it's got a Jim Harbaugh feel
to it. It's completely authentic, and he's not wavering. This
is who he is. Home or away, good team are bad,
He's gonna go for it. And here's Dan Campbell.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
After I got a tremendous amount of trust in those guys,
and that that's been built up now in five years,
you're right, and that helps and that offensive line, the
way they were playing, and we just felt like that
was we felt like that was the right call. And
it's man, it's those guys. It's the players. Man, They're
the ones who make this stuff come to life. And
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they've earned that trust, you know, and they just once again, Man,
they step up and make huge plays at critical times
and it's I mean, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
It really is.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
It's a thing of beauty.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
If you look at the best teams in this league,
you almost never ask what are they? Like the Chargers
in hardball, what are they? Physical? Aggressive? What are the Lions?
You have never asked what Dan Campbell like? What are
they They've had bad stretches, they've had bad defenses. You
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always know what they are. They are hyper aggressive. In
the best days of the Ravens, when they were winning
Super Bowls, they were physical. You didn't want to play
the Ravens like the Patriots would.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Go into games.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But Tom Brady said it, Yeah, I didn't really love
playing those teams. Those teams you felt you were sore
the next three days. And that's a big part. Like
the Tush push the Eagles, you never doubt what they are.
And there's a lot of talented players in this league.
But go look at the standings this morning, and if
you look at the top the three and ozero teams
and the two and one teams, almost ohas they have
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an identity, you kind of know what they are and
what they stand for. Eber Flus, head coach of the Bears,
what were they? They weren't even good on defense all
the time? Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins, they're fast. You
never asked that with the Lions and Dan Campbell. So
J mackett is it is a fascinating dilemma for the
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Ravens is that they we have all sorts of good players,
but it's not a complimentary football team. You cannot win
Super Bowl. You can't win a World Series with a
bad bullpen. You can't leak runs in the seven, eighth,
and nine. You can't win a Super Bowl with a
really bad defense, because even if you outplay a team
like Atlanta and the Patriots, you'll subsequently give up that
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You'll give that lead up eventually. And I look at
Baltimore last night and unlike no, that team can't win
a super Bowl at their current state, at their current roster.
I don't think they can win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It's interesting.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
I think they started zero to two last year and
then peeled off five in a row. But there's only
six teams in the AFC colum right now with a
winning record, that's it. And one of them is like
the Colts, you know, and the other with Jaguars. So
the AFC is actually down and I feel like Baltimore
is maybe finding themselves early.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I have a theory on this, Okay, So in the
last two years, I believe the NFC is caught up
and surpassed the AFC. So what happened was AFC teams.
There are a lot of bad AFC teams like Buffalo
they're a bad team, or a Cincinnati, Yeah, they're not
a very good team. And at Chargers, what are they?
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Philip Rivers is getting old? They were a lot. And
then all these AFC teams hit on quarterbacks Josh Allen,
Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Well, I mean to some degree,
like Trevor Lawrences, justin Herbert. So when you didn't have
to pay Patrick Mahomes Kansas City, when you didn't have
to pay those quarterbacks. Yet the top of the NFL
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was all these great quarterbacks on rookie deals. Then Baltimore,
Kansas City is Cincinnati, Buffalo. Now you have to pay
your star quarterbacks. What happens those teams in the AFC's
rosters aren't very good. The NFC, many of the teams
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have quarterbacks on friendly deals Darnold and the Seahawks, Baker
in the Bucks, Purty in the Niners, and the Eagles.
So in the NFC you don't have the superstars, but
you have very good B plus to A minus quarterbacks
on team friendly deals, and therefore your rosters are better.
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I think the rosters now are better in the NFC.
The quarterback elite talent, now very expensive, is better in
the AFC.
Speaker 8 (12:22):
What what do you eating? Neurogum over there? That is
a hot, awesome take, and that's good stuff from you.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Now. Denver flies in the face of that. They have
a young quarterback.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
They're one and two, but they lost two games at
the buzzer, right, Yes, so maybe they're going to be fine.
But I do kind of like that you pay your quarterback,
you can't the.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Rest of the Rocks four to five year stretch that
we looked at Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City We're like, oh yeah,
those are easily the best teams because you had stack
rosters and superstar quarterbacks. But Easington and Kansas City's O
line and run game bad, Baltimore's defense bad, Buffalo's back
end not very good.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's the one.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I mean, like even the Chargers like, we like him,
but god, they could use another this. They couldn't keep Bosa,
they could keep Khalil Mack. He gets hurt. You're like,
uh oh, so that's the reality is the NFC's got
better value on very good quarterbacks, though not mahomes Lamar
Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Great. So there you go.
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Speaker 1 (14:49):
So sometimes it takes a while for the truth to
come out, for the whole story to be developed. We
officially have it on why Shader Sanders dropped like a
rock in the draft and ended up going in the
fifth round with the Cleveland Browns, where he's now splitting
scout team duties with Bailey Zappi. Dion Sanders admitted the
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Eagles and the Ravens called his son before the draft,
but he didn't want to be a long term backup.
Dion is quoted as saying, hey, I never sat on
the bench and learned a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I mean who learned sitting on the bench. Oh, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Aaron Rodgers, Brady Jordan Love, Brock Purty, Philip Rivers behind Breeze, Yeah,
Patrick Mahomes behind Alex Smith, Jalen Hurtz. Oh I just
I just winged about eight guys. Most are really really good.
But with Dion, it's I never This isn't about you Primetime.
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Your son didn't have primetime talent. He's an after school special.
You were a primetime talent. Okay, it's totally different ballgame.
You're projecting your talent onto your son. You suppressed a man.
Think about this, So two great organizations, said would you
like to come into our house and learn from us?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And then Dion pre draft went on and craft on
like the four or five bad teams that were interested.
I mean, if your son or daughter is going to
the market and you're a famous mom or dad, and
you say, listen, we're not going to work for any startups.
And unless he's a vice president or she's a vice president,
we're not working for Apple and Microsoft or Google either.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Not great parenting.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And this story has been undercovered because Dion's very popular
in the media. But this is insane. Who learns something
sitting on a bench? The best quarterback ever Brady sitting
behind Drew Bledsoell, a total tro Maholmes has acknowledged Alex
Smith was instrumental to his growth. I mean Lamar Jackson
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sat or ten weeks behind Joe Flacco learn the offense,
Rock Purty, Jalen Hurts. I mean that's what Green Bay does.
We draft you, you sit and learn. Who learns from
the band? I've got nothing against Shoulder. I've always said
this is more of a Dion issue because son worships dads.
Son follows dad's advice.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But the idea. Who learns anything on the band. Here's
a memo.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I was just reading a story this morning, I think
it was in the New York Times about how college
educated kids are struggling to find jobs out of college.
Let me give you a tiny bit of advice. If
a great company calls and says, listen, we're gonna give
you kind of a semi internship.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Take it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
There's not many great anything out there. There are very
few great companies. Raven's Eagles are great companies. If they
call and they say, you know, it's not a starter,
but you can sit here and figure it, you take it.
I mean, it's one thing not to want to work
with a startup and move cross cut. You can probably
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sometimes there's a million of those, most don't work. But
this story, now the truth is coming out. I mean,
the Ravens Eagles said we're interested. They're pretty good at
player evaluation, and now you're splitting scout team reps with
Bailey's Appy. I mean, it's this whole thing. Who earns
anything on the bench. I mean, I can give you
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like nineteen Hall of Famers who did not. I mean,
we're not talking about a corner and Dion was unbelievably gifted.
You know, It's like, Okay, Dad was unbelievable. Dad was Primetime.
I'm not denying that best corner I've ever seen, but
that wasn't what your son was. So I had to
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make sure this story wasn't from the Onion this morning.
If the Eagles and Ravens call it any position, just
say yes J Mack with a news no, no.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
No, this is the herdline.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
All right, Let's go to the Green Bay Packers, Colin.
Remember last week they were two and zero rotten High
and one of their players said there was Rashid Walker
was like, hey, we could go undefeated. Well, Matt Lafleur
was asked about that yesterday at media and he made
it clear he was not thrilled with that undefeated shatter.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
The goal.
Speaker 11 (19:22):
And I've said it a million times to you guys.
I don't think I've obviously said it enough to our team.
The goal is to go one to oh every week.
And it pisses me off when we start talking about
things outside of the next game. Pump the brakes on everything,
like we're just trying to win one game at a time,
and like, if you're thinking or have your sight set
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on anything outside of that. I think you got you're
focused on the wrong things.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, it's a very young team and young players don't
always have context. So when young team that for a
couple of wins are like, yeah, undefeated, it's like, bro,
this is not the Randy Moss Tom Brady Patriots. This
is not what this team is. It's really really even
Jordan Love is still relatively young.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So and it also shows the NFC.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Now j Mack is I mean that Cleveland's obviously in
the AFC, but you're not gonna go undefeated in your division.
There's too many good coaches, too many good players.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
Interestingly, you know Packers offensive line is beat up, but
I don't know is that gonna matter against this you
know cream puff defense that the Cowboys have. Russell Wilson
and Caleb Williams, two guys who are not considered top
fifteen quarterbacks, looked like Pro bowlers the last two weeks
against Dallas. I don't see how they stopped green Bay here?
What am I missing?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Also, green Bay just come off comes off a really
embarrassing loss. Now the Browns can really play defense, but
it's an embarrassing loss for green Bay, and you warned
everybody's stay away game. Not like we had a good week,
but that was a stay away game. It had I
didn't think it would be a loss. They nothing in
the fourth, but it was a game in which Cleveland
is gonna keep a lot of high powered offenses under wraps.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
You're gonna win.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Cleveland's gonna lose a lot of low scoring, ugly games
because they don't have a ton of fire power.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
But I do think.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
When you get embarrassed, and for the Packers losing, the
Cleveland's embarrassing, you generally get a pretty good effort the
following week.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
By the way, that Brown's touchdown drive against the Packers
was four yards and their game winning field goal they
went like sixteen yards something like that. Like THINKWN, the
Packers defense is really really good, and Ceedee Lamb sounds
like he's gonna be out multiple weeks. I don't see
why the Packers don't destroy them this weekend. Let's move
to the next game, and that's the Chargers, Colin. They
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are one of the hotter teams in the league, big
favorites on the road against the GMN. Justin Herbert is cooking.
He's got to be in the MVP discussion. Despite taking
fourteen hits and getting sacked five times. He came through
late when it mattered most again, super clutch.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
To set up the game winning field goal.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
Right tackle Trey Pipkins gust about Herbert, saying he let
us the entire time. If that's not MVP, I don't
know what is now. Obviously week three, you don't want
to be like, who's the MVP, Like it's goofy. That
being said, justin Herbert is playing at atn MVP level
right now.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, he comes on our show later today. Oh and
he's also getting hit constantly. He got hit fourteen times,
so and it was so funny listening to Jim Harbaugh
who's like, he doesn't even WinCE, he doesn't show it.
I'm gonna ask him about that because I mean he
got he got bounced around in that game.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
He really did.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Like Lamar Jackson last night, you got to give the
Lions credit, Aden Hutchison, I mean, how lucky are Lion
fans a Michigan guy becomes Lions star. I mean, Lamar
Jackson got hammered last night. Jordan loved this weekend got hammered.
So to have a quarterback that's big enough and physically
strong enough to be able to hand handle those hits.
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There's not a lot of great old lions in the league,
you can name them, but there's a ton of good
pass rushers. So I mean it's I mean, I think
so much of this league for quarterbacks is availability and durability.
And it's amazing how often Herbert gets hit and just
bounces right back up.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
And I know there's this narrative, Oh, well, what is
Herbert won like that? That's a little goofy. He was
throwing to tight ends in lad McConkey last year. That
Keenan Allen move. You know, we could look back on
this in January and be like that was one of
the three biggest acquisitions in the offseason because with Keenan Allen,
doesn't Herbert just look he looks so confident throwing to
this guy.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
And the other thing that he's done is he's empowered
the players there were already there. Quentin Johnson looked like
a bust and now Quinton Johnson is absolutely a huge part.
He is their downfield pass attack. So again, Hardball creates
this self belief where he loves and believes in his players,
and Quinton Johnson had a drop issue and drop issues
or often confidence, you know, lack of confidence. Quintin Johnson
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will still drop some balls, but he is a big
part of this offense.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
And by the way, the final note, we had him
on the show when I filled in a dicker.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
A kicker.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
Yeah, he's like automatic. He's not quite Brandon Aubrey, but
he's like maybe the second best kicker in the league
at this point. Chargers are so well built special teams
as we know, matters significantly right now. In the NFL
Final story comments, the Eagles in their comeback win over
the Rams was pretty thrilling. Remember the offense was struggled
in the first half, had like thirty three yards, then
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went off in the second half. So there were some
theory floating around that Jalen Hurts was calling plays. I
don't know if you saw this, and of course Nick
Siriani walk around guy who likes to take credit.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Here we go, Kevin.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
Called the plays yesterday in that second half. Jalen but
making no mistake about it, Like Jalen does a great
job of communicating.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Jalen sees the field really, really really well.
Speaker 12 (24:49):
He can come back and tell you what happened without
even looking at the picture, and then you look at
the picture like, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Jalen has
a great feel for how that's going. And so there
there's communication, right, there's talk through it. You know, everything
like that. You know, But yeah, Kevin, Kevin called the plays.
Kevin will continue to call the plays.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, it doesn't really matter. All I know is Hurts
had a great second half. He is inconsistent, he has
bad halves, but in that second half.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Let's settle down.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
I know you, I know you're like, like Hurts, you
don't love him, Colin.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
You love that Rams defense. They're an elite unit.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
I look what he did in the second half against
seventeen of twenty four two nine three studies.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Jill Hurts is elite, okay. And sometimes when listen, when
you're struggling, sometimes.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
You just toss it up to j Mack and I'll
see if I can.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Bail you out. He was doing that with AJ Brown?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Was he not second half of Jay?
Speaker 8 (25:46):
Let me just throw it to AJ Brown. He's catching everything.
Poor guy on the Rams.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Well, it also it was a good lost to the
Rams because they see they have an unsolvable problem.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Like the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
They need a big, long corner. They need some corner.
You're not beating the Eagles and AJ Brown. You're gonna
get beet eventually if you're the Rams. If I don't
care who it's going to be. But AJ Brown is
a problem for the Rams secondary they don't have any
personnel to stop him. He dominated physically those players.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Frankly, not a lot of teams do.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
But I think you're right, like the idea of a
shopping list for teams like the Rams. They got to
go get a cornerback, you know. And I'm very curious
the Eagles this week they face the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Mike Evans. They just announces out. Do the Eagles have
any needs, Colin Or are they like, hey, we're super
Bowl ready. We got to tell you Russ Watt, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Maybe maybe another corner somewhere. M Yeah, that would be it.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
So this is breaking news. It is what most of
us predicted. You the fans predicted it. It was pretty
easy to see coming. The New York Giants have named
Jackson Dart as the news starter. The Giants are owen three.
Outside of that Dallas game, they can't move the ball.
Jay Mack and I have discussed this before. I don't
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ever remember a quarterback going from elite to nobody wants
to be his coach faster than Russell Wilson, Sean Payton,
Pete Carroll both moved off him quickly. He went to
the Steelers, they moved off him, and now Brian Dabole
is moving off him as a starter. So Jackson Dart, again,
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you had a very small sample size, but my take
is there's five or six quarterbacks next year that could
go in the first or early second round or about there. Right,
you got to figure out if Jackson Dart's the guy.
I'm not looking for wins with Jackson Dart. I don't
care if he wins, wins game. Is he comfortable? Does
he see the field? You know?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
My take is the.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Russell Wilson thing. I've never seen anything like it. Russell
Wilson did not have a major injury, and Pete Carroll
couldn't get rid of them fast enough. Sean Payton's like
I'm done. Pittsburgh moved off him and the Giants. Now
after three games, it's enough, so we'll see this is
not a team that's gonna win a lot of games.
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The good news for the Giants is they're going to
have a top five or six draft pick, and you
got a lot more leverage. There's gonna be a lot
of teams needing a quarterback, and if Jackson Dark can
play and you discover it here in the next ten
weeks thirteen weeks, you don't need a quarterback. I don't
know the answer to that. I thought he was kind
of a second round guy. But I also thought shade
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Or Sanders was a late first second round guy, and
he dropped to the fifth here's another speaking of guys
who have had doubters. So at the end of yesterday's show,
I made a point of informing the audience that the
highest graded quarterback in the NFL this year.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Is not Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
It's Slinging Sammy Darnold, former USC Trojan, a guy I
have since I saw him as a sophomore with the Trojans,
and it was interesting. I was thinking about this morning,
between Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald's resurgence. If you go
back to that draft class that also included Josh Allen
and Lamar Jackson, four different quarterbacks who have made the
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Pro Bowl. It's one of the best quarterback classes in hindsight.
In thirty years, you have four Pro Bowl quarterbacks and
two MVPs. Not a lot of quarterback draft that. The
one coming up this year is not going to give
you that. So at some point all of them were doubted.
Lamar Jackson out of college was doubted can he play quarterback?
Josh Allen's first year it was a turnover disaster, more
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picks than touchdowns. Sam Donald multiple issues, Baker mostly maturity issues.
So the last two years the number say Sam is
the winningest quarterback in the league and is the best
big play quarterback in the league. Now, do I think
Donald's the best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 13 (29:53):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Do I think he's a top five quarterback, I do not.
But I always said he is a French quarterback, big, tough, athletic, coachable,
leadership skills. Players, teammates love him and ask yourself what
are the Panthers and the Jets done since he left?
But Darnold's the classic example. He needs structure. It's just
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like some kids manage themselves. A lot of young kids
need strong guidance from parents, and then if you have
three or four kids, one of them kind of manages himself.
Not everybody needs a trainer to stay in shape. They're
self motivated. A lot of people need guidance, a trainer
and help, something.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
To push them.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Sam needs structure. Even last year with the Vikings, he
had about a five game stretch, Reckless came back. So Seattle,
what are they? Excellent defense? One of the top two
three run cententric teams in the NFL. So they create
a structure. Sam, We're going to be run first, a
lot of play action and Sam, you won't have to
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get in track meets nobody's scoring thirty on us. So
that gives Sam the classic structure which he has always
thrived that. But he can get loose, even with Kevin O'Connell,
justin Jefferson, he can get loose. Got to bring him
back in and again, some kids manage themselves. Some people
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don't need a trainer. Those are that's very rare. Most people,
myself included, I need structure. Sam needs it. And Matt
hasselback earlier this week on what Seattle has created and
provided to allow Darnold to flourish.
Speaker 14 (31:42):
When offensive linemen get to fire out and play run
action at least half the time, it helps everything. And
I think that's the thing that some people do well.
Some people talk about it but don't do it as well. Seattle,
I would say week two and week three, they've figured
that out, so you know, if you can continue that,
I think that Sam Donald can have the kind of
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year that he had last year without Kevin O'Connell, without
Justin Jefferson. He's playing really, really good football right now.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Look at that draft class.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
We thought it was two stars and a bunch of misses,
and now it's Alan MVP, Lamar MVP, and Baker and
Donald on really team friendly deals have made Pro Bowls.
So again, Baker is a better fit.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
In Tampa than Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Donald great fit in Minnesota that tried to resign him.
Excellent fit in Seattle because they've created limited they've credit
great structure. They're not asking him to throw forty five
times a game. There's about three quarterbacks in the world
that can do that, and one of them Justin Herberts
around the corner, plus Herd Hierarchy, Nick Wright, Greg Olsen,
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Speaker 2 (32:52):
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Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, no quarterback in the last two decades for the
Chargers has been hit as many times as Justin Herbert
got hit against the Denver Broncos. The obviously they've got
some offensive line injuries. The Broncos are a great front
and Justin Herbert, one of the most likable, humble guys,
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has given us ten minutes today, which I totally appreciate that.
And he knows that he's joining us live. So Harball
said yesterday, Jim is funny. He's like, you know, Justin
gets hit, he never shows that, he never wins his
yet he's just.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Like a superpower.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
And I thought, driving in today, I thought, do you
ever get hit Sunday and it really hurts? I mean
it really hurts, but you know you have to go
back into the huddle and you can't show that. Are
you ever in some pain and you're just masking it
and not letting your teammates know?
Speaker 13 (33:52):
Yeah, well for some thanks for having me. I always
always look forward to being on the show.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
And that is a good question.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
There were a couple times in the game where I
was maybe a little slow to get up got back
to the huddle, and you know, I might have called
the play a little slower for the guys, and so
they might have recognized that. But as long as coach
Harbaugh thinks that, then you know, that's that's great for.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Me, justin when you get hit. And again, all quarterbacks
get hit. Lamar Jackson last night got sacked seven times.
It's the reality of the NFL. There's great athletes up front.
How do you not hear footsteps? How does it not
affect you later in a game?
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Yeah, that's a really tough thing.
Speaker 13 (34:29):
And I think that's part of playing quarterback, of understanding
that you know you're going to get hit and the
defenses that you're going up against are really fast and athletic,
and you just got to have enough time to get
the ball off and understand that those split seconds of
you know, if I stand in the pod for you know,
just a half second more, I can get the ball
off and we can have a big play.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
It makes it all worth it.
Speaker 13 (34:48):
And obviously we do a great job taking care of
our bodies, and you know, we've got a training staffs
I get to none, so knowing that you feel comfortable
going out there.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
So the first time Jim Harbaugh came up to you
pre game and it started banging on your shoulder pads,
I mean that's what he does now, and I actually
think there it works. It kind of like it startles
you you're getting the good Jim. I thought Jim was
a little crazy, and then he came to the Chargers
and he's like likable Jim and funny Jim. I mean
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that's all you know, right, you only know that Jim.
Speaker 13 (35:25):
Yeah, that's that's all we know. We just know the
most authentic competitor. You know. He cares so much about
the team, about winning, about football, and he'd do anything
for us. And you know when I first got on
the sideline and he was hitting my pads and things
like that, I just thought it was awesome. He kind
of explained the story about you know, getting that first hit,
and you know, as soon as you get that first hit,
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you're ready to go. And so he felt like, if
you could do that before the game, then there's no
time wasted.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Quentin Johnson worried me. He had drops. It looked like
he almost lacked confidence. Well, that's over. You guys have
aggressive he is the downfield weapon. Can you take me
a little bit into the off season of taking a
guy that had talent wasn't quite there yet whatever you
guys did, But it feels like he's turned a corner.
Speaker 13 (36:14):
Yeahsq's done such a great job. And I think one
of the really special things about him is he had
a great year last year. It was it was kind
of a quieter great year, and I think he had
eight touchdowns and caught a whole bunch of yards. And
you know, he came back this year and he's just
continued to work.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
He's continuing to get better, and he's having fun.
Speaker 13 (36:33):
He's playing confidently, and he's making a bunch of plays.
There was a play that you know, he went up
and caught a fifty to fifty ball on Sunday and
obviously it was an irresponsible throw by me. But to
have a guy like that go up and get it
and you know, kind of save me was was really
cool to see.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
What do you do when you get hit fourteen times?
Give me, take me behind the curtain? What is your
Monday rehab? Like? What you do?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Just don't tell me?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
You just go get a frappucino and just sit in
the couch. What is Monday rehab? Like?
Speaker 7 (37:05):
Yeah, I actually get in the pool and I move
around in the pool.
Speaker 13 (37:09):
You know, I think it's easier on my joints, and
whether it's swimming, running, it's it's good to just get movement.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
I do a lot of icing on my shoulder. You know.
Speaker 13 (37:17):
I think I threw the ball a bunch, And you know,
it was kind of the game that we knew was
going to happen. We know how good their front seven was,
and you know, watching the film of the quarterbacks the
week before, they had to move a bunch and they
had to throw on the run, and that's just kind
of what you had to do against the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (37:32):
And you know, obviously we do a good job.
Speaker 13 (37:34):
We've got all the facilities here at our team facility,
so it makes my job so much easier.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
So you had thirty six pass attempts, that's what you're
kind of doing on a weekly basis. It was close
sort of twenty nine last year. How does that change
prep for you? Now? You may say, oh, it's only
seven pass attempts, but you got some offensive line injuries,
so it is your mindset change a little bit justin
from last year, like, hey, I'm going to get up
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in the forties here like that?
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Do you are you a little more?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Are there certain throws now you'll like hold it back
and think, hey I got forty pass attempts, it's the
first quarter. Does it change anything for you psychologically?
Speaker 7 (38:13):
Not so much.
Speaker 13 (38:13):
I think the thing that we do recognize is, you know,
they are multiple ways of winning football game, and whether
that's throwing it forty times or whether we're going to
run the ball forty times, you got to put the
team in a position to win and understanding that the
defense that we have that they're going to force a
bunch of stops and turnovers, and you just got to
be smart with the ball. And I think as long
as we're limiting turnovers, scoring in the red zone, and
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converting on third downs, which I think we've done a
pretty good job of the past couple of weeks, you know,
I'm happy to throw the ball as much as I.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Can explain to me how Keenan Allen multiple surgeries. He's
not a four to three to eight guy anymore a
four to four guy. How does Keenan Allen get open
on every third down his entire career.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Explain it to me.
Speaker 13 (38:59):
He just the way he works, routes, his understanding of
defenses and leverage.
Speaker 7 (39:07):
I don't know how he does it. He came a.
Speaker 13 (39:09):
Few weeks ago, maybe three four weeks ago and picked
up the offense like he'd been running his entire life.
And I've never really seen anything like that. And that's
how you can tell, you know, he's a true pro.
He's one of the best to ever do it. And
you know, he's just so smart. He understands how defenses
are trying to play him and where to go. And
it's basically like having another quarterback out there.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah here, relationship with him. All young quarterbacks need somebody
they can trust. He's your trust guy. Do you guys
have like an unscripted language eye contact, Like on that
big play this weekend, did you know it was going
to him?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Did you sense it was?
Speaker 13 (39:48):
I think that's where we're just so lucky to have him,
you know, especially when I came into the league to
have him and Mike Williams, where we're two guys that
kind of just showed me the way and just we're
true receivers and sometimes you take them for.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
Granted, but that play.
Speaker 13 (40:00):
Know, I break out of the pocket, and I know
that he's the first to react.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
He sees what I'm doing and takes off.
Speaker 13 (40:06):
And you know, as long as you're the first to
react and you've got a shot to make something happen downfield,
and even if it is a fifty fifty ball, Keenan Allen,
you know, he's he's a huge body, he's he's so
talented and athletic.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
I know he's gonna go fight for that ball.
Speaker 13 (40:18):
And didn't see the actual catch, but watching it on
the replay was pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
By the way, Oregon's at Penn State this weekend. It's
gonna be the biggest game of the college football weekend.
How can you do you have time to ever watch
those games?
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (40:33):
I always make time to watch Oregon, you know, growing
up a Duck fan playing there, you know, it's been
so fun to watch them play. And you know, I
think that's kind of the cool thing about going to
the Big Ten and playing all these these fun teams
is you're gonna go to the East Coast and you're
gonna have some big games, and you know, not always
was that the case in the Pac twelve and you know,
I know the Ducks are really excited, and and you
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know Eugene is loving it too, so it's really cool
to see.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So our graphics department thought they were very funny yesterday
because I said, you and Harbaugh's as good as Reid
and Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
It's just a perfect If.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Jim could go to a lab and build a quarterback,
and I swear to God he would build you humble, coachable,
hard work and tough.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
You were, Jim. You just have a better arm than
Jim had.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
And so our graphic department thought it was very funny,
and they made up all these Simon and Garfunkle and
yeo you guys. They just thought that was the funniest
thing in the world. What else do we have? Mario
and Luigi I think was on that.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, there we go. When you look at horrball.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
If somebody never met Jim and you said, hey, Colin,
come on over to my place, I want to introduce
you to my head coach, Jim Harbaugh, would you warn me?
What would you say about Jim harr as somebody that
got Batman and Robin? What would just say to me
if I'd never met Jim Harball. How would you explain him?
Speaker 7 (41:48):
I would say, this guy loves football.
Speaker 13 (41:50):
I've never met anyone that loves football more than he does.
He thinks about football when he wakes up, and thinks
about football when he goes to bed, and he wants
to win. And I think the coolest thing about him
is he's a competitor. If we have any games going on,
he's gonna try.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
And beat you.
Speaker 13 (42:05):
Whether we're playing ping pong, whether we're you know, playing cornhole,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (42:10):
He's going to do everything he can to win, and
he's going to find you, know your weaknesses.
Speaker 13 (42:14):
He's going to watch film on you, he's gonna ask questions,
and he loves the game.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
So it's really cool to see fifteen seconds. Has he
ever been mad at you?
Speaker 13 (42:23):
There are definitely been times where he's mad at me,
whether I'm throwing the ball downfield irresponsibly, laid over the middle.
Speaker 7 (42:28):
You know.
Speaker 13 (42:29):
He tells me to just check the ball down, you know,
go to the next play and be smart with the ball.
But there are definitely times where we're talking about practice.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
In the game.
Speaker 7 (42:36):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Hey man, it's great seeing you. You look fantastic. You're
crushing it. Try to stay upright between you and Lamar.
I don't like my star quarterbacks getting hit like that.
Congrats on all your success.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
I'll do my best. Thanks again for having me.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
All right, justin Herbert one of the truly great guys.
I've said this before. We are lucky that all the
star quarterbacks in this league. It can be Lamar, it
can be Mahomes, it's Herbert, it's Jalen Hurts. How lucky
are we? They're all good dudes, They're all I mean
to be that young, good looking, rich and that good
of a dude.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
We're lucky, all of us. Heard hierarchy, Nick right, He's
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Not gonna like the hurd hierarchy to get contentious
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we are live. It is the Herd wherever you may be,
however you may be watching or listening. Thank you for
making us part of your day. Jamac You and I
didn't have a very good week. It was a weird,
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weird week. But when you dig deep on Detroit, you
know we talked about this brand new co ordinators. Don't
take week one to two seriously or the preseason. It
looks like they've righted the ship. They looked like Detroit
the last several years, physically upfront, pushing people around.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, it questions about the Baltimore Ravens. Hopefully you can
answer it all right.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So last night was the perfect example of how you
beat a superstar quarterback when you're the road team. Detroit
dominates time of possession, they're aggressive on fourth down, they
convert in the red zone, no field goals, we're getting touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
They bullied the home Ravens.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
For three and a half hours, super aggressive. And you
think of Baltimore as tough and physical and resilient. Now
this defense is just as soft as the Dallas Cowboys defense.
Baltimore's last in total defense. They surrender a ton of yards.
I don't want to hear about the pass rushers they
were missing. That wasn't about pass rushing last night. They
invested a lot of money in Kyle Hamilton Rowan Smith,
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their top two draft picks. They got over one hundred
million on defense, and then they're soft and by week
four and five in the NFL season, we're getting to
be a quarter of the way through it. Some of
your problems you can't solve unless at the trading deadline
you take a big swing. So this was three and
a half hours of total domination. It may have been
thirty eight to thirty It felt like forty eight to seventeen.
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And here's the weird thing is that Lamar Jackson is
so explosive that when he does lead a scoring drive,
it's often very quick. So they send that crappy defense
back on the field.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
They don't get any rest.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So the Ravens bizarrely have the second fewest plays per
drive in the league and the number one total offense,
so they don't play complimentary football. And if you look
at the last ten Super Bowls, which is twenty total teams,
there's been one awful defense Atlanta. What happened to Atlanta
in that Super Bowl? They blew a huge lead. You're
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not a Super Bowl team with that defense. So the
Ravens have a huge dilemma, which I don't know if
it's solvable, is that they score because they're so dynamic
with Lamar Jackson, He's so gifted. They score quickly, and
then the defense doesn't get a rest. It goes right
back onto the field. It's not complimentary football. Like last year,
the Lions defense stunk, but the Lions were number two
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in the league last year in time of possession, so
at least they kept their average defense on the sidelines
and they won fifteen games. That's not what Baltimore does.
Plus they got a Dereck Henry fumbles in imperfect times issue.
So and again by week four, week five, you know
you kind of you kind of know what your issues are.
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I mean, the Lions had ninety six yard drive and
seventy yard drive and ninety eight yard drive and sixty
yard drive.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
They did whatever they wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And if you look at the Baltimore game, their defense
against Detroit last night and the Ravens defense against Buffalo
combined those two games, they only forced those teams to
punt three times, three times out of thirteen total possessions.
So I went this morning and looked at the Ravens defense,
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their NFL rank, their last thirtieth, thirty first and everything. Yeah,
they were missing a double pass rushers. That wasn't about
pass rush. Detroit was in control. I mean by the
third quarter, you every time Baltimore sent that defense out
to make a stop, they couldn't. So the Ray Lewis
ed Reed days are over. This defense doesn't do a
lot well. They've spent money on it, and bizarrely, they
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score too quickly if you are weak defensively. We've talked
about this a lot, like one of the issues Kansas
City has. They have no run game, so their defense
is good, but it looks worn down in the second half. Well,
Ravens defense looks worn down in the first half. And again,
Lamar is so explosive that you just that defense on
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the field way too many snaps, and John Harbaugh saw
the same thing we did.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
The biggest problem is we didn't play good run defense.
I mean, we didn't as a defense complete. We didn't
do it. And that's not going to be good enough.
There's nobody in that locker room that thinks that's good enough.
That's disappointing, that's bad run defense, and that's not who
we are. It cannot be who we are. It's just
it's not going to be good enough. It's not going
to be acceptable, and it's got to be better.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So again, when you get to this point of the season,
trade deadlines up in about three weeks. Rams may need
a corner. Ravens have to figure out something defensively. Now
they will have pass rushers return, which could help them
in close games late if they have a lead, But
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right now this defense is just not good and they've
invested in it, and it was a major problem last night.
Let's talk lines, Let's give him some credit. So there's
a big difference. It's a fine line, but there is
a difference between stubborn guy and guy who has a
very strong self belief. And I initially thought Dan Campbell
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was a little stubborn when he would always go for
it on fourth because they didn't like their personnel. But
now that they have really good personnel, he's self belief guy.
He's never wavered on what he does. He's go for
it guy. When they went for it with a buck
fifty six left in the fourth quarter, fourth and two,
and despite the fact they'd run at will on Baltimore
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and they throw it downfield. That is self belief. That
is believing in your dudes, and they should again. I
thought Dan was reckless in his first couple of years
because going forward on fourth down with average players is dumb.
Detroit drafts really well, they got a great front office
going for it last night. I would have run. I
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think we all thought they were gonna run. But on
the two big fourth downs, the one of the goal
line kind of the double pitch, and then Nat they
throw it over the top. So I mean, that was
really clever. Both of those caught you off guard. They
don't have a touch push, and yet the last three
years they're number one in the league on fourth down conversions.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
They don't have a touch push.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
They have a golf hands it off, give it to Gibbs,
but they don't have a touch push.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
So again there's a.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Fine line between stubborn guy and hey, I believe in
what we are. And Dan Campbell took over a very
flimsy franchise. The Lions always had talent, Barry Sanders, Matt Stafford,
Calvin Johnson. They always had talent, they had no identity.
And so Dan came into a fault and said, we're
going to be tough, relentless and physical and super aggressive.
And again I was like, I don't know, but going
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forward on fourth down, it's got a Jim Harbaugh feel
to it. It's completely authentic, and he's not wavering. This
is who he is. Home or away, good team are bad,
He's gonna go for it. And here's Dan Campbell.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
After I got a tremendous amount of trust in those guys,
and that that's been built up now in five years,
you're right, and that helps and that offensive line, the
way they were playing, and we just felt like that
was we felt like that was the right call. And
it's man, it's those guys. It's the players. Man, They're
the ones who make this stuff come to life. And
(08:28):
they've earned that trust, you know, and they just once again, Man,
they step up and make huge plays at critical times
and it's I mean, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
It really is.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
It's a thing of beauty.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
If you look at the best teams in this league,
you almost never ask what are they? Like the Chargers
in hardball, what are they? Physical? Aggressive? What are the Lions?
You have never asked what Dan Campbell like? What are
they They've had bad stretches, they've had bad defenses. You
(09:01):
always know what they are. They are hyper aggressive. In
the best days of the Ravens, when they were winning
Super Bowls, they were physical. You didn't want to play
the Ravens like the Patriots would.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Go into games.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But Tom Brady said it, Yeah, I didn't really love
playing those teams. Those teams you felt you were sore
the next three days. And that's a big part. Like
the Tush push the Eagles, you never doubt what they are.
And there's a lot of talented players in this league.
But go look at the standings this morning, and if
you look at the top the three and ozero teams
and the two and one teams, almost ohas they have
(09:34):
an identity, you kind of know what they are and
what they stand for. Eber Flus, head coach of the Bears,
what were they? They weren't even good on defense all
the time? Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins, they're fast. You
never asked that with the Lions and Dan Campbell. So
J mackett is it is a fascinating dilemma for the
(09:57):
Ravens is that they we have all sorts of good players,
but it's not a complimentary football team. You cannot win
Super Bowl. You can't win a World Series with a
bad bullpen. You can't leak runs in the seven, eighth,
and nine. You can't win a Super Bowl with a
really bad defense, because even if you outplay a team
like Atlanta and the Patriots, you'll subsequently give up that
(10:19):
You'll give that lead up eventually. And I look at
Baltimore last night and unlike no, that team can't win
a super Bowl at their current state, at their current roster.
I don't think they can win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It's interesting.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
I think they started zero to two last year and
then peeled off five in a row. But there's only
six teams in the AFC colum right now with a
winning record, that's it. And one of them is like
the Colts, you know, and the other with Jaguars. So
the AFC is actually down and I feel like Baltimore
is maybe finding themselves early.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I have a theory on this, Okay, So in the
last two years, I believe the NFC is caught up
and surpassed the AFC. So what happened was AFC teams.
There are a lot of bad AFC teams like Buffalo
they're a bad team, or a Cincinnati, Yeah, they're not
a very good team. And at Chargers, what are they?
(11:08):
Philip Rivers is getting old? They were a lot. And
then all these AFC teams hit on quarterbacks Josh Allen,
Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Well, I mean to some degree,
like Trevor Lawrences, justin Herbert. So when you didn't have
to pay Patrick Mahomes Kansas City, when you didn't have
to pay those quarterbacks. Yet the top of the NFL
(11:30):
was all these great quarterbacks on rookie deals. Then Baltimore,
Kansas City is Cincinnati, Buffalo. Now you have to pay
your star quarterbacks. What happens those teams in the AFC's
rosters aren't very good. The NFC, many of the teams
(11:51):
have quarterbacks on friendly deals Darnold and the Seahawks, Baker
in the Bucks, Purty in the Niners, and the Eagles.
So in the NFC you don't have the superstars, but
you have very good B plus to A minus quarterbacks
on team friendly deals, and therefore your rosters are better.
(12:14):
I think the rosters now are better in the NFC.
The quarterback elite talent, now very expensive, is better in
the AFC.
Speaker 8 (12:22):
What what do you eating? Neurogum over there? That is
a hot, awesome take, and that's good stuff from you.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Now. Denver flies in the face of that. They have
a young quarterback.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
They're one and two, but they lost two games at
the buzzer, right, Yes, so maybe they're going to be fine.
But I do kind of like that you pay your quarterback,
you can't the.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Rest of the Rocks four to five year stretch that
we looked at Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City We're like, oh yeah,
those are easily the best teams because you had stack
rosters and superstar quarterbacks. But Easington and Kansas City's O
line and run game bad, Baltimore's defense bad, Buffalo's back
end not very good.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's the one.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I mean, like even the Chargers like, we like him,
but god, they could use another this. They couldn't keep Bosa,
they could keep Khalil Mack. He gets hurt. You're like,
uh oh, so that's the reality is the NFC's got
better value on very good quarterbacks, though not mahomes Lamar
Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Great. So there you go.
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Speaker 1 (14:49):
So sometimes it takes a while for the truth to
come out, for the whole story to be developed. We
officially have it on why Shader Sanders dropped like a
rock in the draft and ended up going in the
fifth round with the Cleveland Browns, where he's now splitting
scout team duties with Bailey Zappi. Dion Sanders admitted the
(15:14):
Eagles and the Ravens called his son before the draft,
but he didn't want to be a long term backup.
Dion is quoted as saying, hey, I never sat on
the bench and learned a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I mean who learned sitting on the bench. Oh, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Aaron Rodgers, Brady Jordan Love, Brock Purty, Philip Rivers behind Breeze, Yeah,
Patrick Mahomes behind Alex Smith, Jalen Hurtz. Oh I just
I just winged about eight guys. Most are really really good.
But with Dion, it's I never This isn't about you Primetime.
(15:54):
Your son didn't have primetime talent. He's an after school special.
You were a primetime talent. Okay, it's totally different ballgame.
You're projecting your talent onto your son. You suppressed a man.
Think about this, So two great organizations, said would you
like to come into our house and learn from us?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And then Dion pre draft went on and craft on
like the four or five bad teams that were interested.
I mean, if your son or daughter is going to
the market and you're a famous mom or dad, and
you say, listen, we're not going to work for any startups.
And unless he's a vice president or she's a vice president,
we're not working for Apple and Microsoft or Google either.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Not great parenting.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And this story has been undercovered because Dion's very popular
in the media. But this is insane. Who learns something
sitting on a bench? The best quarterback ever Brady sitting
behind Drew Bledsoell, a total tro Maholmes has acknowledged Alex
Smith was instrumental to his growth. I mean Lamar Jackson
(16:59):
sat or ten weeks behind Joe Flacco learn the offense,
Rock Purty, Jalen Hurts. I mean that's what Green Bay does.
We draft you, you sit and learn. Who learns from
the band? I've got nothing against Shoulder. I've always said
this is more of a Dion issue because son worships dads.
Son follows dad's advice.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But the idea. Who learns anything on the band. Here's
a memo.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I was just reading a story this morning, I think
it was in the New York Times about how college
educated kids are struggling to find jobs out of college.
Let me give you a tiny bit of advice. If
a great company calls and says, listen, we're gonna give
you kind of a semi internship.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Take it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
There's not many great anything out there. There are very
few great companies. Raven's Eagles are great companies. If they
call and they say, you know, it's not a starter,
but you can sit here and figure it, you take it.
I mean, it's one thing not to want to work
with a startup and move cross cut. You can probably
(18:02):
sometimes there's a million of those, most don't work. But
this story, now the truth is coming out. I mean,
the Ravens Eagles said we're interested. They're pretty good at
player evaluation, and now you're splitting scout team reps with
Bailey's Appy. I mean, it's this whole thing. Who earns
anything on the bench. I mean, I can give you
(18:25):
like nineteen Hall of Famers who did not. I mean,
we're not talking about a corner and Dion was unbelievably gifted.
You know, It's like, Okay, Dad was unbelievable. Dad was Primetime.
I'm not denying that best corner I've ever seen, but
that wasn't what your son was. So I had to
(18:47):
make sure this story wasn't from the Onion this morning.
If the Eagles and Ravens call it any position, just
say yes J Mack with a news no, no.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
No, this is the herdline.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
All right, Let's go to the Green Bay Packers, Colin.
Remember last week they were two and zero rotten High
and one of their players said there was Rashid Walker
was like, hey, we could go undefeated. Well, Matt Lafleur
was asked about that yesterday at media and he made
it clear he was not thrilled with that undefeated shatter.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
The goal.
Speaker 11 (19:22):
And I've said it a million times to you guys.
I don't think I've obviously said it enough to our team.
The goal is to go one to oh every week.
And it pisses me off when we start talking about
things outside of the next game. Pump the brakes on everything,
like we're just trying to win one game at a time,
and like, if you're thinking or have your sight set
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on anything outside of that. I think you got you're
focused on the wrong things.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, it's a very young team and young players don't
always have context. So when young team that for a
couple of wins are like, yeah, undefeated, it's like, bro,
this is not the Randy Moss Tom Brady Patriots. This
is not what this team is. It's really really even
Jordan Love is still relatively young.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So and it also shows the NFC.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Now j Mack is I mean that Cleveland's obviously in
the AFC, but you're not gonna go undefeated in your division.
There's too many good coaches, too many good players.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
Interestingly, you know Packers offensive line is beat up, but
I don't know is that gonna matter against this you
know cream puff defense that the Cowboys have. Russell Wilson
and Caleb Williams, two guys who are not considered top
fifteen quarterbacks, looked like Pro bowlers the last two weeks
against Dallas. I don't see how they stopped green Bay here?
What am I missing?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Also, green Bay just come off comes off a really
embarrassing loss. Now the Browns can really play defense, but
it's an embarrassing loss for green Bay, and you warned
everybody's stay away game. Not like we had a good week,
but that was a stay away game. It had I
didn't think it would be a loss. They nothing in
the fourth, but it was a game in which Cleveland
is gonna keep a lot of high powered offenses under wraps.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
You're gonna win.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Cleveland's gonna lose a lot of low scoring, ugly games
because they don't have a ton of fire power.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
But I do think.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
When you get embarrassed, and for the Packers losing, the
Cleveland's embarrassing, you generally get a pretty good effort the
following week.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
By the way, that Brown's touchdown drive against the Packers
was four yards and their game winning field goal they
went like sixteen yards something like that. Like THINKWN, the
Packers defense is really really good, and Ceedee Lamb sounds
like he's gonna be out multiple weeks. I don't see
why the Packers don't destroy them this weekend. Let's move
to the next game, and that's the Chargers, Colin. They
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are one of the hotter teams in the league, big
favorites on the road against the GMN. Justin Herbert is cooking.
He's got to be in the MVP discussion. Despite taking
fourteen hits and getting sacked five times. He came through
late when it mattered most again, super clutch.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
To set up the game winning field goal.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
Right tackle Trey Pipkins gust about Herbert, saying he let
us the entire time. If that's not MVP, I don't
know what is now. Obviously week three, you don't want
to be like, who's the MVP, Like it's goofy. That
being said, justin Herbert is playing at atn MVP level
right now.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, he comes on our show later today. Oh and
he's also getting hit constantly. He got hit fourteen times,
so and it was so funny listening to Jim Harbaugh
who's like, he doesn't even WinCE, he doesn't show it.
I'm gonna ask him about that because I mean he
got he got bounced around in that game.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
He really did.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Like Lamar Jackson last night, you got to give the
Lions credit, Aden Hutchison, I mean, how lucky are Lion
fans a Michigan guy becomes Lions star. I mean, Lamar
Jackson got hammered last night. Jordan loved this weekend got hammered.
So to have a quarterback that's big enough and physically
strong enough to be able to hand handle those hits.
(22:54):
There's not a lot of great old lions in the league,
you can name them, but there's a ton of good
pass rushers. So I mean it's I mean, I think
so much of this league for quarterbacks is availability and durability.
And it's amazing how often Herbert gets hit and just
bounces right back up.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
And I know there's this narrative, Oh, well, what is
Herbert won like that? That's a little goofy. He was
throwing to tight ends in lad McConkey last year. That
Keenan Allen move. You know, we could look back on
this in January and be like that was one of
the three biggest acquisitions in the offseason because with Keenan Allen,
doesn't Herbert just look he looks so confident throwing to
this guy.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
And the other thing that he's done is he's empowered
the players there were already there. Quentin Johnson looked like
a bust and now Quinton Johnson is absolutely a huge part.
He is their downfield pass attack. So again, Hardball creates
this self belief where he loves and believes in his players,
and Quinton Johnson had a drop issue and drop issues
or often confidence, you know, lack of confidence. Quintin Johnson
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will still drop some balls, but he is a big
part of this offense.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
And by the way, the final note, we had him
on the show when I filled in a dicker.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
A kicker.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
Yeah, he's like automatic. He's not quite Brandon Aubrey, but
he's like maybe the second best kicker in the league
at this point. Chargers are so well built special teams
as we know, matters significantly right now. In the NFL
Final story comments, the Eagles in their comeback win over
the Rams was pretty thrilling. Remember the offense was struggled
in the first half, had like thirty three yards, then
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went off in the second half. So there were some
theory floating around that Jalen Hurts was calling plays. I
don't know if you saw this, and of course Nick
Siriani walk around guy who likes to take credit.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Here we go, Kevin.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
Called the plays yesterday in that second half. Jalen but
making no mistake about it, Like Jalen does a great
job of communicating.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Jalen sees the field really, really really well.
Speaker 12 (24:49):
He can come back and tell you what happened without
even looking at the picture, and then you look at
the picture like, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Jalen has
a great feel for how that's going. And so there
there's communication, right, there's talk through it. You know, everything
like that. You know, But yeah, Kevin, Kevin called the plays.
Kevin will continue to call the plays.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, it doesn't really matter. All I know is Hurts
had a great second half. He is inconsistent, he has
bad halves, but in that second half.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Let's settle down.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
I know you, I know you're like, like Hurts, you
don't love him, Colin.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
You love that Rams defense. They're an elite unit.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
I look what he did in the second half against
seventeen of twenty four two nine three studies.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Jill Hurts is elite, okay. And sometimes when listen, when
you're struggling, sometimes.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
You just toss it up to j Mack and I'll
see if I can.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Bail you out. He was doing that with AJ Brown?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Was he not second half of Jay?
Speaker 8 (25:46):
Let me just throw it to AJ Brown. He's catching everything.
Poor guy on the Rams.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Well, it also it was a good lost to the
Rams because they see they have an unsolvable problem.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Like the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
They need a big, long corner. They need some corner.
You're not beating the Eagles and AJ Brown. You're gonna
get beet eventually if you're the Rams. If I don't
care who it's going to be. But AJ Brown is
a problem for the Rams secondary they don't have any
personnel to stop him. He dominated physically those players.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Frankly, not a lot of teams do.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
But I think you're right, like the idea of a
shopping list for teams like the Rams. They got to
go get a cornerback, you know. And I'm very curious
the Eagles this week they face the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Mike Evans. They just announces out. Do the Eagles have
any needs, Colin Or are they like, hey, we're super
Bowl ready. We got to tell you Russ Watt, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Maybe maybe another corner somewhere. M Yeah, that would be it.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
So this is breaking news. It is what most of
us predicted. You the fans predicted it. It was pretty
easy to see coming. The New York Giants have named
Jackson Dart as the news starter. The Giants are owen three.
Outside of that Dallas game, they can't move the ball.
Jay Mack and I have discussed this before. I don't
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ever remember a quarterback going from elite to nobody wants
to be his coach faster than Russell Wilson, Sean Payton,
Pete Carroll both moved off him quickly. He went to
the Steelers, they moved off him, and now Brian Dabole
is moving off him as a starter. So Jackson Dart, again,
(27:26):
you had a very small sample size, but my take
is there's five or six quarterbacks next year that could
go in the first or early second round or about there. Right,
you got to figure out if Jackson Dart's the guy.
I'm not looking for wins with Jackson Dart. I don't
care if he wins, wins game. Is he comfortable? Does
he see the field? You know?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
My take is the.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Russell Wilson thing. I've never seen anything like it. Russell
Wilson did not have a major injury, and Pete Carroll
couldn't get rid of them fast enough. Sean Payton's like
I'm done. Pittsburgh moved off him and the Giants. Now
after three games, it's enough, so we'll see this is
not a team that's gonna win a lot of games.
(28:10):
The good news for the Giants is they're going to
have a top five or six draft pick, and you
got a lot more leverage. There's gonna be a lot
of teams needing a quarterback, and if Jackson Dark can
play and you discover it here in the next ten
weeks thirteen weeks, you don't need a quarterback. I don't
know the answer to that. I thought he was kind
of a second round guy. But I also thought shade
(28:30):
Or Sanders was a late first second round guy, and
he dropped to the fifth here's another speaking of guys
who have had doubters. So at the end of yesterday's show,
I made a point of informing the audience that the
highest graded quarterback in the NFL this year.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Is not Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
It's Slinging Sammy Darnold, former USC Trojan, a guy I
have since I saw him as a sophomore with the Trojans,
and it was interesting. I was thinking about this morning,
between Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald's resurgence. If you go
back to that draft class that also included Josh Allen
and Lamar Jackson, four different quarterbacks who have made the
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Pro Bowl. It's one of the best quarterback classes in hindsight.
In thirty years, you have four Pro Bowl quarterbacks and
two MVPs. Not a lot of quarterback draft that. The
one coming up this year is not going to give
you that. So at some point all of them were doubted.
Lamar Jackson out of college was doubted can he play quarterback?
Josh Allen's first year it was a turnover disaster, more
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picks than touchdowns. Sam Donald multiple issues, Baker mostly maturity issues.
So the last two years the number say Sam is
the winningest quarterback in the league and is the best
big play quarterback in the league. Now, do I think
Donald's the best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 13 (29:53):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Do I think he's a top five quarterback, I do not.
But I always said he is a French quarterback, big, tough, athletic, coachable,
leadership skills. Players, teammates love him and ask yourself what
are the Panthers and the Jets done since he left?
But Darnold's the classic example. He needs structure. It's just
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like some kids manage themselves. A lot of young kids
need strong guidance from parents, and then if you have
three or four kids, one of them kind of manages himself.
Not everybody needs a trainer to stay in shape. They're
self motivated. A lot of people need guidance, a trainer
and help, something.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
To push them.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Sam needs structure. Even last year with the Vikings, he
had about a five game stretch, Reckless came back. So Seattle,
what are they? Excellent defense? One of the top two
three run cententric teams in the NFL. So they create
a structure. Sam, We're going to be run first, a
lot of play action and Sam, you won't have to
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get in track meets nobody's scoring thirty on us. So
that gives Sam the classic structure which he has always
thrived that. But he can get loose, even with Kevin O'Connell,
justin Jefferson, he can get loose. Got to bring him
back in and again, some kids manage themselves. Some people
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don't need a trainer. Those are that's very rare. Most people,
myself included, I need structure. Sam needs it. And Matt
hasselback earlier this week on what Seattle has created and
provided to allow Darnold to flourish.
Speaker 14 (31:42):
When offensive linemen get to fire out and play run
action at least half the time, it helps everything. And
I think that's the thing that some people do well.
Some people talk about it but don't do it as well. Seattle,
I would say week two and week three, they've figured
that out, so you know, if you can continue that,
I think that Sam Donald can have the kind of
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year that he had last year without Kevin O'Connell, without
Justin Jefferson. He's playing really, really good football right now.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Look at that draft class.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
We thought it was two stars and a bunch of misses,
and now it's Alan MVP, Lamar MVP, and Baker and
Donald on really team friendly deals have made Pro Bowls.
So again, Baker is a better fit.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
In Tampa than Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Donald great fit in Minnesota that tried to resign him.
Excellent fit in Seattle because they've created limited they've credit
great structure. They're not asking him to throw forty five
times a game. There's about three quarterbacks in the world
that can do that, and one of them Justin Herberts
around the corner, plus Herd Hierarchy, Nick Wright, Greg Olsen,
great showing a Tuesday, It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, no quarterback in the last two decades for the
Chargers has been hit as many times as Justin Herbert
got hit against the Denver Broncos. The obviously they've got
some offensive line injuries. The Broncos are a great front
and Justin Herbert, one of the most likable, humble guys,
(33:19):
has given us ten minutes today, which I totally appreciate that.
And he knows that he's joining us live. So Harball
said yesterday, Jim is funny. He's like, you know, Justin
gets hit, he never shows that, he never wins his
yet he's just.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Like a superpower.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
And I thought, driving in today, I thought, do you
ever get hit Sunday and it really hurts? I mean
it really hurts, but you know you have to go
back into the huddle and you can't show that. Are
you ever in some pain and you're just masking it
and not letting your teammates know?
Speaker 13 (33:52):
Yeah, well for some thanks for having me. I always
always look forward to being on the show.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
And that is a good question.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
There were a couple times in the game where I
was maybe a little slow to get up got back
to the huddle, and you know, I might have called
the play a little slower for the guys, and so
they might have recognized that. But as long as coach
Harbaugh thinks that, then you know, that's that's great for.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Me, justin when you get hit. And again, all quarterbacks
get hit. Lamar Jackson last night got sacked seven times.
It's the reality of the NFL. There's great athletes up front.
How do you not hear footsteps? How does it not
affect you later in a game?
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Yeah, that's a really tough thing.
Speaker 13 (34:29):
And I think that's part of playing quarterback, of understanding
that you know you're going to get hit and the
defenses that you're going up against are really fast and athletic,
and you just got to have enough time to get
the ball off and understand that those split seconds of
you know, if I stand in the pod for you know,
just a half second more, I can get the ball
off and we can have a big play.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
It makes it all worth it.
Speaker 13 (34:48):
And obviously we do a great job taking care of
our bodies, and you know, we've got a training staffs
I get to none, so knowing that you feel comfortable
going out there.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
So the first time Jim Harbaugh came up to you
pre game and it started banging on your shoulder pads,
I mean that's what he does now, and I actually
think there it works. It kind of like it startles
you you're getting the good Jim. I thought Jim was
a little crazy, and then he came to the Chargers
and he's like likable Jim and funny Jim. I mean
(35:22):
that's all you know, right, you only know that Jim.
Speaker 13 (35:25):
Yeah, that's that's all we know. We just know the
most authentic competitor. You know. He cares so much about
the team, about winning, about football, and he'd do anything
for us. And you know when I first got on
the sideline and he was hitting my pads and things
like that, I just thought it was awesome. He kind
of explained the story about you know, getting that first hit,
and you know, as soon as you get that first hit,
(35:47):
you're ready to go. And so he felt like, if
you could do that before the game, then there's no
time wasted.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Quentin Johnson worried me. He had drops. It looked like
he almost lacked confidence. Well, that's over. You guys have
aggressive he is the downfield weapon. Can you take me
a little bit into the off season of taking a
guy that had talent wasn't quite there yet whatever you
guys did, But it feels like he's turned a corner.
Speaker 13 (36:14):
Yeahsq's done such a great job. And I think one
of the really special things about him is he had
a great year last year. It was it was kind
of a quieter great year, and I think he had
eight touchdowns and caught a whole bunch of yards. And
you know, he came back this year and he's just
continued to work.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
He's continuing to get better, and he's having fun.
Speaker 13 (36:33):
He's playing confidently, and he's making a bunch of plays.
There was a play that you know, he went up
and caught a fifty to fifty ball on Sunday and
obviously it was an irresponsible throw by me. But to
have a guy like that go up and get it
and you know, kind of save me was was really
cool to see.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
What do you do when you get hit fourteen times?
Give me, take me behind the curtain? What is your
Monday rehab? Like? What you do?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Just don't tell me?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
You just go get a frappucino and just sit in
the couch. What is Monday rehab? Like?
Speaker 7 (37:05):
Yeah, I actually get in the pool and I move
around in the pool.
Speaker 13 (37:09):
You know, I think it's easier on my joints, and
whether it's swimming, running, it's it's good to just get movement.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
I do a lot of icing on my shoulder. You know.
Speaker 13 (37:17):
I think I threw the ball a bunch, And you know,
it was kind of the game that we knew was
going to happen. We know how good their front seven was,
and you know, watching the film of the quarterbacks the
week before, they had to move a bunch and they
had to throw on the run, and that's just kind
of what you had to do against the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (37:32):
And you know, obviously we do a good job.
Speaker 13 (37:34):
We've got all the facilities here at our team facility,
so it makes my job so much easier.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
So you had thirty six pass attempts, that's what you're
kind of doing on a weekly basis. It was close
sort of twenty nine last year. How does that change
prep for you? Now? You may say, oh, it's only
seven pass attempts, but you got some offensive line injuries,
so it is your mindset change a little bit justin
from last year, like, hey, I'm going to get up
(37:59):
in the forties here like that?
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Do you are you a little more?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Are there certain throws now you'll like hold it back
and think, hey I got forty pass attempts, it's the
first quarter. Does it change anything for you psychologically?
Speaker 7 (38:13):
Not so much.
Speaker 13 (38:13):
I think the thing that we do recognize is, you know,
they are multiple ways of winning football game, and whether
that's throwing it forty times or whether we're going to
run the ball forty times, you got to put the
team in a position to win and understanding that the
defense that we have that they're going to force a
bunch of stops and turnovers, and you just got to
be smart with the ball. And I think as long
as we're limiting turnovers, scoring in the red zone, and
(38:34):
converting on third downs, which I think we've done a
pretty good job of the past couple of weeks, you know,
I'm happy to throw the ball as much as I.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Can explain to me how Keenan Allen multiple surgeries. He's
not a four to three to eight guy anymore a
four to four guy. How does Keenan Allen get open
on every third down his entire career.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Explain it to me.
Speaker 13 (38:59):
He just the way he works, routes, his understanding of
defenses and leverage.
Speaker 7 (39:07):
I don't know how he does it. He came a.
Speaker 13 (39:09):
Few weeks ago, maybe three four weeks ago and picked
up the offense like he'd been running his entire life.
And I've never really seen anything like that. And that's
how you can tell, you know, he's a true pro.
He's one of the best to ever do it. And
you know, he's just so smart. He understands how defenses
are trying to play him and where to go. And
it's basically like having another quarterback out there.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah here, relationship with him. All young quarterbacks need somebody
they can trust. He's your trust guy. Do you guys
have like an unscripted language eye contact, Like on that
big play this weekend, did you know it was going
to him?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Did you sense it was?
Speaker 13 (39:48):
I think that's where we're just so lucky to have him,
you know, especially when I came into the league to
have him and Mike Williams, where we're two guys that
kind of just showed me the way and just we're
true receivers and sometimes you take them for.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
Granted, but that play.
Speaker 13 (40:00):
Know, I break out of the pocket, and I know
that he's the first to react.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
He sees what I'm doing and takes off.
Speaker 13 (40:06):
And you know, as long as you're the first to
react and you've got a shot to make something happen downfield,
and even if it is a fifty fifty ball, Keenan Allen,
you know, he's he's a huge body, he's he's so
talented and athletic.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
I know he's gonna go fight for that ball.
Speaker 13 (40:18):
And didn't see the actual catch, but watching it on
the replay was pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
By the way, Oregon's at Penn State this weekend. It's
gonna be the biggest game of the college football weekend.
How can you do you have time to ever watch
those games?
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (40:33):
I always make time to watch Oregon, you know, growing
up a Duck fan playing there, you know, it's been
so fun to watch them play. And you know, I
think that's kind of the cool thing about going to
the Big Ten and playing all these these fun teams
is you're gonna go to the East Coast and you're
gonna have some big games, and you know, not always
was that the case in the Pac twelve and you know,
I know the Ducks are really excited, and and you
(40:54):
know Eugene is loving it too, so it's really cool
to see.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So our graphics department thought they were very funny yesterday
because I said, you and Harbaugh's as good as Reid
and Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
It's just a perfect If.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Jim could go to a lab and build a quarterback,
and I swear to God he would build you humble, coachable,
hard work and tough.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
You were, Jim. You just have a better arm than
Jim had.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
And so our graphic department thought it was very funny,
and they made up all these Simon and Garfunkle and
yeo you guys. They just thought that was the funniest
thing in the world. What else do we have? Mario
and Luigi I think was on that.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, there we go. When you look at horrball.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
If somebody never met Jim and you said, hey, Colin,
come on over to my place, I want to introduce
you to my head coach, Jim Harbaugh, would you warn me?
What would you say about Jim harr as somebody that
got Batman and Robin? What would just say to me
if I'd never met Jim Harball. How would you explain him?
Speaker 7 (41:48):
I would say, this guy loves football.
Speaker 13 (41:50):
I've never met anyone that loves football more than he does.
He thinks about football when he wakes up, and thinks
about football when he goes to bed, and he wants
to win. And I think the coolest thing about him
is he's a competitor. If we have any games going on,
he's gonna try.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
And beat you.
Speaker 13 (42:05):
Whether we're playing ping pong, whether we're you know, playing cornhole,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (42:10):
He's going to do everything he can to win, and
he's going to find you, know your weaknesses.
Speaker 13 (42:14):
He's going to watch film on you, he's gonna ask questions,
and he loves the game.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
So it's really cool to see fifteen seconds. Has he
ever been mad at you?
Speaker 13 (42:23):
There are definitely been times where he's mad at me,
whether I'm throwing the ball downfield irresponsibly, laid over the middle.
Speaker 7 (42:28):
You know.
Speaker 13 (42:29):
He tells me to just check the ball down, you know,
go to the next play and be smart with the ball.
But there are definitely times where we're talking about practice.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
In the game.
Speaker 7 (42:36):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Hey man, it's great seeing you. You look fantastic. You're
crushing it. Try to stay upright between you and Lamar.
I don't like my star quarterbacks getting hit like that.
Congrats on all your success.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
I'll do my best. Thanks again for having me.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
All right, justin Herbert one of the truly great guys.
I've said this before. We are lucky that all the
star quarterbacks in this league. It can be Lamar, it
can be Mahomes, it's Herbert, it's Jalen Hurts. How lucky
are we? They're all good dudes, They're all I mean
to be that young, good looking, rich and that good
of a dude.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
We're lucky, all of us. Heard hierarchy, Nick right, He's
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Not gonna like the hurd hierarchy to get contentious
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