September 23, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin delivers his updated Herd Hierarchy following week 3 of the NFL season — and for the second consecutive week, Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs are not on the list
Nick Wright from "First Things First" stops by The Herd to comment on Colin's new Herd Hierarchy, Jim Harbaugh, the Ravens, and more
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is our number two and a Tuesday Herd Higher
our team, Nick Kright, Greg Olsen, next hour. Justin Herbert's
dot by what a good kit he is just outstanding.
Good college football weekend. Jmac very good college football week
at the Oregon.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Penn State game. That is big boy football right there?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Man, a lot of good games. I mean if Alabama loses, like,
where do.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
They go from here? You know they got a tough game.
There's a lot. I mean, Saturday is really loaded.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Goodness.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I've had a dilemma last couple of weeks. What do
I do with the Kansas City Chiefs? So last week
I had them at number ten? Where do I have them?
Speaker 7 (01:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to college number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I'm gonna put Baltimore at ten the Chiefs despite a
winner eleven. Why because Baltimore's a road favorite. Baltimore is
the better offensive team, and like the NBA, the NFL
is an offensive league. First, they're scoring thirty seven a game.
The problem is their defense is basically the Dallas Cowboys without.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The star on the helmet.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They got bullied for three and a half hours, and
they spent money on it.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Five of their six highest.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Paid players are on defense, so they've got a little
bit of a dilemma. And they score so quickly that
they always just send that bad defense back out on
the field. I'm gonna put them at ten, Chiefs of eleven,
number nine the Bucks. Now their schedule gets tougher. The
fact that they have to go to the whistle to
beat the Falcons and the Jets does not feel great
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coming up now with the Eagles and the Seahawks, the Lions,
the Niners coming up. They've been doing it though, missing
three offensive linemen and Chris Godwin. Baker Mayfield, like a
Sam Darnold, has established himself as a legit franchise quarterback.
Eleven straight games with one hundred plus rushing yards. That
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is hard to do. In this league, especially when you're
missing many top offensive linemen. I have the Bucks at nine,
number eight, the Niners at eight. Maybe it's a bit high.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Mac Jones is the current starter now Bosa is gone
for the year. Listen.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Ricky Pearsall has emerged as a really nice weapon. Two
of their wins, though, are against the Cardinals at home
and the Saints, and they don't have a buy until
week fourteen. This team could use a buye now, but
the coach, the quality of offense, McCaffrey, Pearsall kittles coming back.
I put him at eight number seven. Here's what we
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learned about the Lions. If you have new coordinators, don't
count the preseason, the Hall of Fame game or Week
one since then, nine hundred total yards last night was
not as close as the score indicated. Jamiir Gibbs and
David Montgomery are an unbelievable running back tandem. Eleventh career game,
they both scored a rushing touchdown Aiden hushes In and
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that defensive front gobbled up Lamar Jackson. They are twelve
and two in primetime games, beating the best Monday Night
quarterback ever last night, Lamar Jackson. Lions at seven, number six, Well,
I think the Seahawks are a handful Kenneth Walker highest
rented running back, Sam Darnold PFF highest rented quarterback, and
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it does look like JSN is a number one receiver,
But it's the defense that makes them the second best
point differential in the league. They have held all three
opponents to seventeen points for fewer and a lot of
credit goes to John Snyder, the GM who has had
back to back to back very good drafts. They're not
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even pay a lot of these top defensive guys Seahawks
at six, number five. Listen, the Rams can't beat the
Eagles one in six Sean McVeigh against the Eagles, they
win seventy five percent of their other games.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Their defense is.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Young, inexpensive, and excellent most sacks in the NFL. Offense
scored on six straight drives to take a huge lead
against the Eagles. They've got weapons at tight end, wide
receiver Devonte Adams. People aren't talking about it enough. He's
just gonna keep getting better. But they don't match up
with Philadelphia because they've got no corner big enough to
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stop aj Brown.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Number four.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The Chargers great red zone defense so when you can
drive against them. They are the stingiest red zone defense
in the league. Omarion Hampton looks like he's gonna be
a real deal. Keenan Allen, does this guy ever age?
Number two passing offense? They're asking more of Justin Herbert
now he's getting hit way too much. But Quinton Johnson
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doesn't appear to be a bust. He's emerged as a
big time downfield threat. I like their culture and their toughness.
Chargers at four. Number three Packers listen fewest yards per
play allowed Green Band. It's one of my favorite stats
in the league. They don't allow you any yards. They've
held all three opponents in twenty twenty five in the
NFL under two hundred and fifty total yards. Jordan Love
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it's his first pick in a regular season game in
ten games.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It was a stinker. They came in flat, they.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Had extra days off, and Cleveland's got an excellent defense.
One of the things that worries me they're not running
the football as well as they should. But I think
the Packers still have a chance to Hoyt to Lombardi.
Number two Buffalo. It's almost crazy. Twenty five straight games
They've won the turnover battle right now over the last
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twelve to fifteen games. Josh Allen's doing something that's hard
to do. You get all the upside and literally no turnovers.
They have the best Super Bowl odds. I don't love
their defense on the back end, but I don't like
the Ravens defense anywhere. I have Buffalo at number two,
number one. They have really bad halfs like this past weekend,
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but it is the best roster in the league. They
could probably at the trade deadline go and get another corner.
But you know, Nick Seriani, I didn't get it, but
the team does. And Jalen Hurts maybe a little small,
but he throws well up the sideline, toughness and leadership,
best third and fourth down team in the league, best roster,
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most aggressive GM. Here is the Herd hierarchy. I take
the Ravens over Kansas City Chiefs. That a love due
to the fact the Ravens are the road favorite, and
I think it's an offensive league and they've got an
incredibly dynamic offense. And with that, Nick Wright joins me
first Things First Live, as he always does on Tuesday.
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All right, yeah, what do you mean? Yeah, that's a
pretty solid top ten.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Well, Listen, I understand that the one in two Ravens,
who have made zero of the last six Super Bowls
and one of the last seven AFC Championship games, deserve
a benefit of the doubt over the one and two Chiefs,
who have made five of the last six Super Bowls
and seven of the last seven AFC Championship games, because
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of their champion. Because listen, if we know anything about Baltimore,
it's that they play their best in the biggest spots
in January, and situationally, they're just buttoned up. They would
never blow a big lead or seem a little tight
in a big game. So that's how you earn this
benefit of doubt to make the hierarchy at one and two.
I would ask you this, however, just not about Baltimore,
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about Kansas City, just holistically. If you are a team
with an all time great quarterback, of which I think
we can still agree Baltimore and Kansas City both are,
would you rather your big concern be on the offensive
side of the ball, where that all time great quarterback
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can help fix it, or the defensive side of the ball,
where that all time great quarterback is sitting on the
sideline helpless. I would rather have the issues be on
offense because I feel like my quarterback can figure it out.
If you're Baltimore, it is really concerning now that the
defense for the first half of last year looked awful,
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then it tightened up. This year, the defense has looked
really bad through two weeks. They got bullied last night,
and Lamar can't fix that for you. So I think, listen,
I think the af see you know, I'm not worried
about them missing the playoffs or anything like that, but
I do think that they might have some systemic problems
on defense, and I obviously don't trust them, you know,
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on offense come January. But that's just because I've watched
the playoffs for the last decade. So I think the
Ravens are a little overvalued.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Okay, I will say in eight weeks, I think the
Chiefs would beat the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I absolutely do.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think without worthy in Rashi Rice that I think
your point is founded in absolute truth. In eight weeks,
I think there are things in the last twenty Super
Bowl teams. One lousy defense Atlanta and they blew a
fourth quarter lead. I've said this in baseball can't win
a World Series with a bad bullpen. You don't even
have to have a great staff. The Royals won a
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World Series without a great staff. You can't take yes, yep,
you cannot have a bad bullpen. You cannot be bad
defensively today, this weekend, I think the Ravens probably better
in eight weeks, Rice Worthy, they won't be to your point? Now,
would you acknowledge though you don't show fear, but you
have to be honest, Harbaugh?
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Herbert?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Can you can you acknowledge that the Chargers have seized
control of the AFC West for the foreseeable future, for.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
The foreseeable future. By foreseable future, you mean like the
next six or seven weeks. Sure, by the end of
the year. Let's see. Now there's a lot to unpack here.
One is I apologize. I was getting dressed, so I
didn't see the entirety of your justin Herbert interview. I'm
sure it was great, But did you apologize to him
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for you losing all faith in this team's ability to
even make the playoffs due to the Rashaun Slater injury?
Did that come up at all that your love of
bo Nicks. By the way, did bo Nicks get vetoed
from conversation on. He seems like a big preseason topic,
not so much regular season. However, we have something much
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more important to discuss that I am going to surprise
you with because I feel you might, for the first
time in our wonderful relationship, owe me an apology because
you are getting a lot of seemingly deserved run, even
a little heat for what appears to be a Colin
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Coward original scorching take about Jim Harbaugh and where he
is in the coaching pantheon, to which I would say,
and this might be jarring to the audience because you're
about to see a shaved head thirty one year old
Nick Wright. Can we roll the tape of me from
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August of twenty sixteen on your show filling in for
You about Jim Harbaugh nine years ago? Roll it please.
I think Jim harbol is the best football coach in
the world. I would rather have Jim Harball than Bill Belichick.
I would rather have Jim Harbaal Thanick Save. I would
rather have Jim Harbald than Urban Meyer. I would rather
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have Jim Harbald than Mike Tomlin. I think he is
the best football coach there is.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I mean, I.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Mean, you're a decade late, buddy. Everybody's like, oh, going.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Out on a limb.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
I did that in your seat nine years ago. Now
that was before Andy Reid became Andy Reid and kind
of displaced him in my own brain. But still we're
in lockstep on Harball where you're not going to get
any disagreement for me on that. I think he is
has shown his ability to win in any place, at
any level, through any style is unique, and he is
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almost one of one in that regard. I think you
are a little too high on the Chargers as a whole,
simply because I think it is very rare in the
NFL for you to win all of the big games
when you've never on any of the big games. So
this feels to me like a super great step in
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the right direction. Year. Maybe divisional round playoff appearance for
the first time in Herbert's career year, but I'm not
ready to say that. I think they can go through
the AFC. But they look awesome. Herbert's playing great, the
defense is awesome, and Harball's a legend, So I agree
with you in that regard. I also think the Chiefs
might be able to run him down when it's all
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said and done.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
My favorite part of that is you look so respectful
and dignified. Your hair was short, and all of a
sudden you got some ratings and he looks like, this
is it's.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Not the ratings. I honestly, I listen, I'm not. This
is going to sound immodest. I don't mean it too.
I just it's more of the money than the ratings.
I just I'm just I just didn't I didn't think
I could pull off this look ten years ago. Yeah,
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I'm a different man. By the way, we don't want
to I don't. This is right when the herd long
strong fs won. We don't want to do ah A.
You know, we both made some interesting hair choices in
that era, if we all remember.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But go ahead.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So I was saying this about Jalen Hurts. You and
I have been on this for years that size matters
for quarterbacks and everybody after Russell Wilson's like Johnny Manziel
and Bryce Young and Kyler Nantua and it's like, guys,
it matters. But I will say this, I said last week,
I'm a quarterback traits elitist.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I like him tall. I like big arms, I like mobility.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I'm an elitist, and I was always with Jalen Hurts, Eh,
you little small, and I never knew what his great
trait was. What's his superstar trait? He is the strongest
quarterback pound for pound in league history. He may be
the strongest player. And as I watched him in the
second half against the Rams, a defense that is giving
everybody fits.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
He is really unique.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
He's also, despite his size, a great sideline thrower. He
throws the ball off the sideline about as well as Mahomes.
I mean, he's that good on the sidelines. I was saying,
I look at Philadelphia and I've always been like, yeah,
the quarterback, I don't know. I think his strength is
a superpower.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
So I think his intangibles and leadership are probably a superpower.
I think the strength obviously helps immensely, not just in
what was called the tush push but now branded early
bird because they false start every time. That's what their
quarterbacks thinks called go ahead and call it early bird, Colin,
get on early on that. Okay, neither here the but
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no here is what I find so interesting about Jalen
Hurts because you're right to the sidelines. He's a great passer.
Kind of the middle intermediate part of the field is
maybe where the size hurts him a little bit. But
it seems though like the biggest Jalen Hurts fans believe
in him more than his own coaching staff. They the
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only reason he got an opportunity to throw the ball
Sunday was because they had no other choice. Even though
he came through in the NFC Title Game, he came
through in the Super Bowl. He had a year a
few years ago where he was top three in MVP voting.
They were refusing to open up the offense and last year,
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Colin that made sense because they had the best defense
in the league and Saquan was averaging one p fifty
a game and you were blowing people out. This year,
Saquan hasn't yet popped, the defense hasn't been great, and
they still don't want to let Jalen throw. I find
that really odd, and I think it's interesting that they
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don't that. Again, like Kevin Wilds, who loves Jalen Hurts,
seems to think he's better than Kevin Botulo, the offensive
coordinator for the Eagles. That part is weird. What I
will say about Philadelphia is this, and I'm sorry to
invote the Chiefs, but I must. I find it very
very interesting how the Eagles are. You know, they win
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games blocking a kick, a guy drops a pass, a
tipped pick, and it is a sign of a team
that just knows how to win. They even maybe get
a few beneficial calls, and it's just hey, be better.
And the Chiefs last year were playing this exact same
script and everyone saying, oh, this has got to be
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coming to a crashing halt. The Eagles, like the Chiefs
last year, know how to win games. And while they
might be winless in hypothetical scenarios, if CD caught it,
if Travis caught it, if they don't block the kick,
they are undefeated in the actual standings. And I do
think winning is a team skill. And the Eagles have
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found away each and every week despite not playing their
best football yet, And I think that's really impressive.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Want to on Caleb Williams, So there are certain things
he doesn't do with consistency. His personality isn't terribly consistent,
he can get very emotional. His accuracy isn't ohways consistent,
And my feeling is on Caleb Williams. Unlike Brady, where
you know exactly what you're getting and kind of like
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Jalen Hurts, you kind of know what you get and
know what you don't get. Caleb is a bit of
a roller coaster personality accuracy. So as I watched him
eat the Cowboys for lunch, my take is he's going
to come out this week and he's going to struggle
and you just have to come to terms with he
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has all this horsepower. But what Josh Allen has done
to eliminate the reckless, I don't think he can do.
I think they're different personalities. And as I watch Caleb,
I'm like, we just have to get comfortable with the
fact that he is going to drive Ben Johnson crag
about every other series I watch Ben Johnson's body language,
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Caleb drove him crazy six times and maybe that's just
what he is so.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Well I listen, it took Josh Allen six years to
stop turning though, just stop being a roller coaster. A
guy who right now I think is in the midst
of it is Jordan Love who when he's good, he's great,
and when he's bad he gives the game away to
the Browns, you know, so that can be a process.
I don't necessarily agree with you, Colin that I think
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this week Caleb's gonna have a down game. Where I
do agree with you is he seems like because of
the right now I would say this sounds too harsh,
and I don't mean it too but emotional immaturity, just
the fact that he is he kind of lives and
dies with each play that I think that it is.
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He is the type of player who when he is
having a great game, it's going to lead to a
greater game. And if he misses a few, who throws
it can snowball against him. So I think a lot
of it has to do with how a game starts
and then does he avoid a pitfall early and then
it can be a game like we saw this weekend.
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But I also think there's a huge opportunity for the Bears.
This weekend they play the Raiders, then they have the bye.
If they can beat the Raiders and even themselves at
two and two, then they have the bye. Then the
next week, Colin, is a game against the team that
ended their season last year effectively in the Commanders and
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Jayden Daniels they'd be coming off a bye, they'd be
two and two. So I think this is a critical
spot for Caleb and Benn to beat the Raiders. Steady
yourself have two weeks to have that, you know, Caleb
versus Jayden, Bears versus Commander's game, and then see where
he's at. But I do think it's going to be
fits and starts. But you've seen already through twenty games
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of the kid's career, the overall talent level is so
high that even if he doesn't fully tighten up everything else,
his floor is going to be relatively high. And if
he does tighten up the other stuff, he unequivocally can
be the guy that I know coming out of college
you and I both thought he would be, which is
one of the very best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Nick Right, First things first, I loved your Harbaugh take.
I forgot you know, I was probing Vak. I only
get a couple of more definitely.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
I mean I was sitting in your seat and back listen.
In twenty sixteen, you might not have gotten twenty twenty
five cow Herd vacation days, but you still had sub
He's still where able to take a few days and
by the way, it's because of that that I'm here now,
So I owe it to you, my friend. But yeah, Harball,
I was way ahead of you on that. That's fine,
don't worry about it. You can. I've stolen from you plenty,
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so you can take this one for me. I'll see
you next week.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But first things first, my buddy Nick.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
You know, it's an interesting thing about Josh Allen, Josh
Allen when he started, and Buffalo's different from Chicago. Buffalo's
a small it's very supportive. Is that Josh Allen's first
year and a half, he was a turnover machine. He
couldn't complete fifty eight percent of his throws and it
took him until about eighteen nineteen twenty games and you're like, okay,
he's jumping over linebackers. It's gonna work. But again, in Buffalo,
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it's more supportive. It's a smaller market, and they'd had
Jim Kelly before, They've been to Super Bowls before, they
got the quarterback right multiple times. In Chicago, there's so
many things working against the young quarterback who struggles. It's
a very loud media, it's a major market. They can't
get quarterback right. The team up north, the tiny market
always gets quarterback right. So you could make an argument,
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just make Caleb Williams work. We're gonna give it three
full years. We don't care what that's what they did
with Josh Allen. We think he's super talented. We think
it's horsepower's unbelievable. We're just going to go on and
on and Josh Allen every year. Just get it's a
little better. But it is harder when you're the Chicago
Bears quarterback and they've never gotten the quarterback position right,
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and the guys up north, thirty minutes on a train
up north, are the best team in the league at
developing the most important position, the quarterback. It's a loud media.
It's just hard are certain environments. It's just tougher for
young people. And our current economy, more than any time
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in my life, is really hard for even the kids
that go to the Ivy League schools. We got a
new environment ai displacing jobs, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Chicago for quarterbacks, it's tough. It's a tough place.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And they had a Jim Kelly and they had multiple
Super Bowls, maybe it would be different, but they were
very patient with Josh Allen because of his horsepower, not
because he was super accurate for the first year and
a half.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I mean, like even the first year.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
For Caleb Williams, he had six picks, he completed well
over sixty percent of his throws, and the coaching staff
was a mess. Josh Allen inherited Sean McDonough or Sean McDermott,
accuse me, so, I mean he went to a team
that had already made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor. They
weren't in chaos. The Bears were in chaos. Coach on
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the hot seat. Caleb's like twenty touchdowns, six picks, sixteen
three or sixty four percent completion percentage, and it was
like disaster.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
So it's just harder in Chicago.
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Jamact with the news.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
On the news.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Love when we get some breaking news.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Colin Jackson Dart in at quarterback for the New York Giants.
Russell Wilson woefully inept against the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Boot off the field.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Enter Dart, who will start Sunday against the Charges.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
I know it says minus six on the screen. I
had checked some Vegas books. It's starting to head up.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
I'm just gonna say this, Jackson Dart has a lot
of upside. Jesse Minter, the defensive coordinator of the Broncos,
has been amazing and last year facing rookie quarterback Bo Nix,
he put him in a body bag. Nicks could do nothing.
It was like twenty eight to nothing in the midway
through the fourth before some garbage time. I know it's
a cross country trip for the Chargers, and everybody's excited
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that what were they for in the hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
They're really good I would be.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Surprised if Jackson Dart was able to pull this off
and get the dub.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I like the Chargers here.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I like big favorites this weekend. I like the Packers.
I like the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I know you could always you could tease them.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Do you do teasers in the.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
In the pic?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I've never had because it feels like it's too much
for the average fan watching.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I'm going to know the average.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Fan is doing same game bars and lighting money on
fire Teesers are way safer than that. But anyways, I'm
optimistic to see dark But I mean, Colin, they don't
have a lot of dudes. Cam Scataboo was there, leading
receiver and rusher. Okay, the rookie from what asu right,
I don't know. I'm worried about the kid Andrew Thomas.
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Is he gonna be on a pitch count again?
Speaker 5 (27:24):
The left tackle?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I think he's been on a career pitchcount.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
We got some Russell Wilson stats here that are ghastly
in the red zone this season. Russell Wilson four of
eighteen for sixteen yards.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I mean, Colin, what the hell is that?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I think it's I think it's time to retire. I
don't think he's gonna have a market.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah, I mean basically an off season story.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Is Russell Wilson a Hall of Famer? You probably say no.
I will argue the other side because that's what we
do on the show. Let's move on to the Baltimore Ravens.
We gotta go back to last night's shocker. Detroit Lyons
beat the Ravens in Baltimore. Look at this Aiden Hutchison
punch out of Derrick Henry his second fourth quarter fumble
lost against Buffalo. It kind of flipped the game. And
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last night was brutal. Here's Henry talking about his fumble.
Lightis lost of words.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Yeah, she working, working in practice three games straight that
had in my.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Career fumbles in critical moments.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
It was yeah, hanging good far I apologize so throught
Nason and I just was she working?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And the strips Listen, Adrian Peterson had a fumble problem.
Key Barber did at one point in his career.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
But those guys were young. Henry's thirty one and turned
thirty two in Genuars.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Listen, he feels terrible, Like I have great sympathy for
people who screw up and feel terrible. Lamar Jackson looked
like he wasn't happy with him. Again, He's a great player.
He feels awful about it. And these punch outs, this
is like a thing now the last two to three years.
This is happening. The NFL doesn't love fumbles, they don't
love change of possessions. But I mean, there are certain
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guys in this league that do it well and it's
become uh you see one to two a game, balls
knocked out, just punched out. I feel so bad for
the guy because he's so much about winning. He's he
has such a work ethic, he's such a committed guy.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
By the way, Aidan Hutchinson last night was a monster.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Oh he was going.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
He was dominant. You need to move him up the
edge rusher rankings if those exist. Final story, Collin, Let's
go to the first European trip of the season. We're
going to Ireland, Dublin. I have a funny Dublin joke,
but I won't tell it on air. Vikings Steelers Pittsburgh
somehow is two and one. They got to be the
worst two and one team in the league. Terry Bradshaw
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agrees he's in this team, does not does not have
championship pedigree.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
They're not ever going to fire my comments if they continue.
They made the playoffs eighteen years and he wins, and
he'll go again nineteen years.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
They don't have the team.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
They're always competitive, but their their past being a contender.
They're not a contender. They're just they're just not from
what I've seen, they're not a contender. And they haven't
been in Wow, that had been a contender in five years.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, I mean if you go last year, they beat
all the bad quarterbacks, then went zero and five down
the stretch.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
They they have a.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
This if you look at the offense and you're being honest,
New England completely outplayed them. I mean New England. It's
not every team that wins is the better team. New
England gave the game away. Now you could say, oh,
the Steelers made great defensive plays. I mean Drake may
through a end zone interception that was probably the worst
interception of the year. I mean it was it was
on a short list of bad interceptions. So but you know,
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they got a winning record. I think I like Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I love Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, quick note, I think the Patriots had five turnovers
against the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
I remember the Jets.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Were in control of that game before the kick returner
fumbles to ended up cutting him Pittsburgh. I mean, come on,
this is not a good football team. I cannot wait
until these guys are cooked. And we stopped talking about
Aaron Rodgers and the series.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
The run is over.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Like Tomlin, great coach, hall of Famer, all that stuff.
Rogers going to the Hall of Fame. They're just not fun.
Do you watch them?
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Like Colin?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
They are a boring team. They're not interesting at all.
I can't find any compelling reason to pay attention to
these guys except to wake up.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
And bet against them.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Hey, real quick, Colin Brian Florees last year, remember the
international game against Rogers when he was on the Jets.
Oh it was brutal. Rogers couldn't do anything. So I
like the vikings here for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I do too. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Line News Dallas Cowboys, and yes, Jerry Jones deserve a
lot of credit. Jerry was talking yesterday and I love
what he said.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
That's next to hurt.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
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Speaker 4 (32:11):
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Speaker 5 (32:25):
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Speaker 3 (32:30):
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Sometimes you make a business deal and you know you're
gonna get beat up for a year, Like when the
Lakers traded Shack to Miami. The Heat were ready to
win a title. But in the big picture, the more
dedicated athlete, the more obsessed athlete who was had far
more prime years left was the late Kobe Bryant. It
was a good move by the Lakers, but you knew
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you were going to get the you know what kicked
out of you for about a year or two because
the Heat were ready to win a title. So trading
Mike of to the Packers is bad news until April.
It'll be bad for the Dallas Cowboys. They're going to
get you know, Mike is going to play on TV.
He's going to have big games. The Packers are super
Bowl worthy. You're going to lose it for a year.
But you know what the Cowboys have now with multiple
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first round picks for first round picks the next couple
of years, flexibility. Packers don't even have first round picks.
They got flexibility, financial flexibility, draft flexibility, and Jerry Jones
said in the last couple of days he would even
think of trading one of those first round picks to
go get another current star player in the league.
Speaker 10 (33:35):
To use that capital, you've got to have the opportunity
to use it. I had the opportunity to really do
some good with those picks, I would do it. You've
got to have something that comes your way that's really special,
and if you've got the currency to do it, which
in this case it would be draft picks, we'll do it.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I have seen in my life too many bosses that
make decisions trying to win the press conference and make
sure the media critics they don't come after us. Lack vision,
lack courage. I've been doing this thirty five years. Sometimes
you're going to get whacked for a year when you
make a decision. Is it in the best long term
interest of the franchise. Mike is really good. You could
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go draft the next Mica next year. But having four
first round picks, you could trade down, you could move
up because Dak's play is so strong right now, you
don't need a quarterback. So nothing better. And I think
the Cowboys are going to finish in the top seven
or eight picks. They're not a very good football team.
They're beat up with Ceedee, Lamb, Digs, not plan well,
Mike has gone.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
It's not a very good team, not a very good
coaching staff.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So in the end, leverage flexibility that long term is
what all the great teams need, not a really good
pass rusher who clogs up a lot of your salary cap.
Props to Jerry for having the courage, not consumed, willing
to take the hit for a year until April. Jerry's
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gonna get dug because Micah may have the big sack
in the Super Bowl and every columnist will.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Riyeh, I doesn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And then April comes around and the Packers don't have
our first round pick in and then the Cowboys have
two and can leverage it into multiple other picks or
trade and get another good edge rusher, call the Raiders.
We'll take Max Crosby first. All right, Big college weekend.
And I noticed something about this Big College Weekend. Twenty
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first rank, USC underrated at twenty three, Illinois probably a
little overrated. Number one, Ohio State at Washington, number six,
Oregon at number three, Penn State. Three very interesting college
games in the Big ten. Have you noticed anything about
those three games?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
None of these games would.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Have existed just two years ago. Instead, you would have
had Washington hosting cow and you would have had Oregon
at Washington State or USC facing.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
The Beavers. That's fine.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
College football in my life has had two major problems,
A big game problem, two regional too many small games
that matter to a single state or maybe two. And
December was a wasteland of unwatchable bowl games that can't
sell tickets and have to give them away. Both of
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those issues have been resolved. The late great John Madden
used to say, certain games sound big. Niners against the
Packers regardless of record, sounds big Eagles, Cowboys regardless of record.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Ohas sounds big.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
You know what sounds big Ohio State at Husky Stadium.
That sounds big, even Ohio State's a lot better. You
know it sounds big. Oregon at Penn State and USC
red hot, most sacks in the country, number one offense
against a team in the Midwest. That sounds big or
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big error than Cal and Washington at Husky Stadium. So
I am for tradition when it's great, like explosives on
Fourth of July.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I like fireworks or Christmas.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
But you're not going to convince me that eliminating the
classic Stanford against Arizona State football game every October is
bringing me to the emotional cliff. Too many people love
tradition when tradition's not that special. Yes, Thanksgiving dinner is, yes,
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Christmas is fireworks.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
There are certain holidays that are big. Michigan, Ohio State,
Duke Carolina, and basketball. We all agree. But major League
Baseball needed tweaks. They did it, and the ratings are up,
and college football was incredibly regional. And then they combined
the four big names in the Pac twelve moving to
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the Midwest, and I'm getting a lot more big game.
Justin Herbert was on an hour ago. He can't wait
for Oregon Penn State.
Speaker 11 (38:25):
I always make time to watch Oregon, you know, growing
up a Duck fan playing there, you know, it's been
so fun to watch them play. And you know, I
think that's kind of the cool thing about going to
the Big ten and playing all these these fun teams,
as you're gonna go to the East Coast and you're
gonna have some big games, and you know, not always
was that the case in the Pac twelve. And you know,
I know that Ducks are really excited, and you know,
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Eugene is loving it too, So it's really cool to see.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, and for the record, Ohio State may run Washington
out of the building. I think it'll be pretty close.
College teams when they go on the road aren't quite
as powerful. Ohio State will win. Maybe it'll be ugly,
but it feels big. Oregon Penn State should be great.
That feels massive. But USC and on NOI it feels big.
I mean, USC last year struggled against non traditional powers
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on the road, struggled, lost to Maryland, lost in Minnesota,
so it actually feels really big. It's the first time USC,
which by the way, beat LSU last year, beat Texas
A and M last year. I think they've won like
six of their last seven. They're on like a four
five game winning streak something like that. I think it's
the second longest winning streak in the Big ten. So,
but it's I'm not anti tradition, but you know what
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electric vehicles. When I lived in Los Angeles and didn't
have to go to a gas station where the gas
prices got as high.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
As six fifty, I know, you like that V eight.
I understand it.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I'm not against it, but I kind of liked an
EV where I plug it in at night and never
have to go to a gas station and it doesn't
make a lot of noise, and it's quiet, and it's
fast and it's zero to sixty and one second. I
kind of like that too. Not every tradition is great.
A massive weekend in college football, you know, j meck
I got to go back. I want to go back
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to the Cowboys and Jerry Jones saying I made trade
one of those first round picks for a players. If
you go look at the Cowboys the last three years,
the one thing, I mean, they were a good offensive team,
they made the playoffs, they had exciting players, But the
one thing the Cowboys lacked didn't have any flexibility. They
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couldn't pay eight million dollars for Dereck Henry when they
had the worst running back room in the league. And
Jerry Jones has always been this deal maker. So basically,
you had the world's best poker player and he didn't
have any He had no leverage and no flexibility. Dallas
is going to get crushed. If Green Bay wins the
Super Bowl, and they have a very good chance to
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do that, they're gonna be one hundred anti Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It's the worst trade ever.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And that's fine, But come April, when you don't need
a quarterback, have two first round picks. The Rams do
they need a quarterback? Browns do they need a quarterback?
Dallas is going to be in unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Shape in April.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Spare me, Bro.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Listen, It's not like Dallas is one player away from contending.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
I mean, their defense cannot get out. I'm looking at
some EPA.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Numbers here, Bro, their second worst defense in the league, Colin,
They're so far away from contending. And you outline this
at the top when we talked about quarterbacks in the AFC,
you pay them and all of a sudden, the rest
of the roster stinks that's the Cowboys. They're the Bengals
of the NFC, and now CD lambs out. So you
got Dak and petulant Carl pick now Carl Pickens, George
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Pickens and a.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Running back room.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
That's eh, your setter's out what four to six weeks? Dude,
they're not even close to contending. They Washington who got
snubbed in your hurt hierarchy. By the way, they.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Ringers had the worst defense in the league. Then they
hired the right coach and the same guys, same player.
If you had an elite coaching staff, not Brian Schottenneimer
and Matt Eberflus, it looks even worse because of the staff.
Jim Harbugh, Jesse Minter took a defense that was thirty
second to first, the same guys. I'm not saying they
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have a both and the Khalil Mack coaching matters. Cowboys
don't have the
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It is our number two and a Tuesday Herd Higher
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Good college football weekend. Jmac very good college football week
at the Oregon.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Penn State game. That is big boy football right there?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Man, a lot of good games. I mean if Alabama loses, like,
where do.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
They go from here? You know they got a tough game.
There's a lot. I mean, Saturday is really loaded.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Goodness.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I've had a dilemma last couple of weeks. What do
I do with the Kansas City Chiefs? So last week
I had them at number ten? Where do I have them?
Speaker 7 (01:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to college number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I'm gonna put Baltimore at ten the Chiefs despite a
winner eleven. Why because Baltimore's a road favorite. Baltimore is
the better offensive team, and like the NBA, the NFL
is an offensive league. First, they're scoring thirty seven a game.
The problem is their defense is basically the Dallas Cowboys without.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The star on the helmet.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They got bullied for three and a half hours, and
they spent money on it.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Five of their six highest.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Paid players are on defense, so they've got a little
bit of a dilemma. And they score so quickly that
they always just send that bad defense back out on
the field. I'm gonna put them at ten, Chiefs of eleven,
number nine the Bucks. Now their schedule gets tougher. The
fact that they have to go to the whistle to
beat the Falcons and the Jets does not feel great
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coming up now with the Eagles and the Seahawks, the Lions,
the Niners coming up. They've been doing it though, missing
three offensive linemen and Chris Godwin. Baker Mayfield, like a
Sam Darnold, has established himself as a legit franchise quarterback.
Eleven straight games with one hundred plus rushing yards. That
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is hard to do. In this league, especially when you're
missing many top offensive linemen. I have the Bucks at nine,
number eight, the Niners at eight. Maybe it's a bit high.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Mac Jones is the current starter now Bosa is gone
for the year. Listen.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Ricky Pearsall has emerged as a really nice weapon. Two
of their wins, though, are against the Cardinals at home
and the Saints, and they don't have a buy until
week fourteen. This team could use a buye now, but
the coach, the quality of offense, McCaffrey, Pearsall kittles coming back.
I put him at eight number seven. Here's what we
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learned about the Lions. If you have new coordinators, don't
count the preseason, the Hall of Fame game or Week
one since then, nine hundred total yards last night was
not as close as the score indicated. Jamiir Gibbs and
David Montgomery are an unbelievable running back tandem. Eleventh career game,
they both scored a rushing touchdown Aiden hushes In and
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that defensive front gobbled up Lamar Jackson. They are twelve
and two in primetime games, beating the best Monday Night
quarterback ever last night, Lamar Jackson. Lions at seven, number six, Well,
I think the Seahawks are a handful Kenneth Walker highest
rented running back, Sam Darnold PFF highest rented quarterback, and
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it does look like JSN is a number one receiver,
But it's the defense that makes them the second best
point differential in the league. They have held all three
opponents to seventeen points for fewer and a lot of
credit goes to John Snyder, the GM who has had
back to back to back very good drafts. They're not
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even pay a lot of these top defensive guys Seahawks
at six, number five. Listen, the Rams can't beat the
Eagles one in six Sean McVeigh against the Eagles, they
win seventy five percent of their other games.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Their defense is.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Young, inexpensive, and excellent most sacks in the NFL. Offense
scored on six straight drives to take a huge lead
against the Eagles. They've got weapons at tight end, wide
receiver Devonte Adams. People aren't talking about it enough. He's
just gonna keep getting better. But they don't match up
with Philadelphia because they've got no corner big enough to
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stop aj Brown.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Number four.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The Chargers great red zone defense so when you can
drive against them. They are the stingiest red zone defense
in the league. Omarion Hampton looks like he's gonna be
a real deal. Keenan Allen, does this guy ever age?
Number two passing offense? They're asking more of Justin Herbert
now he's getting hit way too much. But Quinton Johnson
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doesn't appear to be a bust. He's emerged as a
big time downfield threat. I like their culture and their toughness.
Chargers at four. Number three Packers listen fewest yards per
play allowed Green Band. It's one of my favorite stats
in the league. They don't allow you any yards. They've
held all three opponents in twenty twenty five in the
NFL under two hundred and fifty total yards. Jordan Love
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it's his first pick in a regular season game in
ten games.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It was a stinker. They came in flat, they.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Had extra days off, and Cleveland's got an excellent defense.
One of the things that worries me they're not running
the football as well as they should. But I think
the Packers still have a chance to Hoyt to Lombardi.
Number two Buffalo. It's almost crazy. Twenty five straight games
They've won the turnover battle right now over the last
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twelve to fifteen games. Josh Allen's doing something that's hard
to do. You get all the upside and literally no turnovers.
They have the best Super Bowl odds. I don't love
their defense on the back end, but I don't like
the Ravens defense anywhere. I have Buffalo at number two,
number one. They have really bad halfs like this past weekend,
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but it is the best roster in the league. They
could probably at the trade deadline go and get another corner.
But you know, Nick Seriani, I didn't get it, but
the team does. And Jalen Hurts maybe a little small,
but he throws well up the sideline, toughness and leadership,
best third and fourth down team in the league, best roster,
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most aggressive GM. Here is the Herd hierarchy. I take
the Ravens over Kansas City Chiefs. That a love due
to the fact the Ravens are the road favorite, and
I think it's an offensive league and they've got an
incredibly dynamic offense. And with that, Nick Wright joins me
first Things First Live, as he always does on Tuesday.
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All right, yeah, what do you mean? Yeah, that's a
pretty solid top ten.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Well, Listen, I understand that the one in two Ravens,
who have made zero of the last six Super Bowls
and one of the last seven AFC Championship games, deserve
a benefit of the doubt over the one and two Chiefs,
who have made five of the last six Super Bowls
and seven of the last seven AFC Championship games, because
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of their champion. Because listen, if we know anything about Baltimore,
it's that they play their best in the biggest spots
in January, and situationally, they're just buttoned up. They would
never blow a big lead or seem a little tight
in a big game. So that's how you earn this
benefit of doubt to make the hierarchy at one and two.
I would ask you this, however, just not about Baltimore,
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about Kansas City, just holistically. If you are a team
with an all time great quarterback, of which I think
we can still agree Baltimore and Kansas City both are,
would you rather your big concern be on the offensive
side of the ball, where that all time great quarterback
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can help fix it, or the defensive side of the ball,
where that all time great quarterback is sitting on the
sideline helpless. I would rather have the issues be on
offense because I feel like my quarterback can figure it out.
If you're Baltimore, it is really concerning now that the
defense for the first half of last year looked awful,
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then it tightened up. This year, the defense has looked
really bad through two weeks. They got bullied last night,
and Lamar can't fix that for you. So I think, listen,
I think the af see you know, I'm not worried
about them missing the playoffs or anything like that, but
I do think that they might have some systemic problems
on defense, and I obviously don't trust them, you know,
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on offense come January. But that's just because I've watched
the playoffs for the last decade. So I think the
Ravens are a little overvalued.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Okay, I will say in eight weeks, I think the
Chiefs would beat the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I absolutely do.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think without worthy in Rashi Rice that I think
your point is founded in absolute truth. In eight weeks,
I think there are things in the last twenty Super
Bowl teams. One lousy defense Atlanta and they blew a
fourth quarter lead. I've said this in baseball can't win
a World Series with a bad bullpen. You don't even
have to have a great staff. The Royals won a
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World Series without a great staff. You can't take yes, yep,
you cannot have a bad bullpen. You cannot be bad
defensively today, this weekend, I think the Ravens probably better
in eight weeks, Rice Worthy, they won't be to your point? Now,
would you acknowledge though you don't show fear, but you
have to be honest, Harbaugh?
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Herbert?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Can you can you acknowledge that the Chargers have seized
control of the AFC West for the foreseeable future, for.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
The foreseeable future. By foreseable future, you mean like the
next six or seven weeks. Sure, by the end of
the year. Let's see. Now there's a lot to unpack here.
One is I apologize. I was getting dressed, so I
didn't see the entirety of your justin Herbert interview. I'm
sure it was great, But did you apologize to him
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for you losing all faith in this team's ability to
even make the playoffs due to the Rashaun Slater injury?
Did that come up at all that your love of
bo Nicks. By the way, did bo Nicks get vetoed
from conversation on. He seems like a big preseason topic,
not so much regular season. However, we have something much
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more important to discuss that I am going to surprise
you with because I feel you might, for the first
time in our wonderful relationship, owe me an apology because
you are getting a lot of seemingly deserved run, even
a little heat for what appears to be a Colin
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Coward original scorching take about Jim Harbaugh and where he
is in the coaching pantheon, to which I would say,
and this might be jarring to the audience because you're
about to see a shaved head thirty one year old
Nick Wright. Can we roll the tape of me from
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August of twenty sixteen on your show filling in for
You about Jim Harbaugh nine years ago? Roll it please.
I think Jim harbol is the best football coach in
the world. I would rather have Jim Harball than Bill Belichick.
I would rather have Jim Harbaal Thanick Save. I would
rather have Jim Harbald than Urban Meyer. I would rather
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have Jim Harbald than Mike Tomlin. I think he is
the best football coach there is.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I mean, I.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Mean, you're a decade late, buddy. Everybody's like, oh, going.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Out on a limb.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
I did that in your seat nine years ago. Now
that was before Andy Reid became Andy Reid and kind
of displaced him in my own brain. But still we're
in lockstep on Harball where you're not going to get
any disagreement for me on that. I think he is
has shown his ability to win in any place, at
any level, through any style is unique, and he is
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almost one of one in that regard. I think you
are a little too high on the Chargers as a whole,
simply because I think it is very rare in the
NFL for you to win all of the big games
when you've never on any of the big games. So
this feels to me like a super great step in
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the right direction. Year. Maybe divisional round playoff appearance for
the first time in Herbert's career year, but I'm not
ready to say that. I think they can go through
the AFC. But they look awesome. Herbert's playing great, the
defense is awesome, and Harball's a legend, So I agree
with you in that regard. I also think the Chiefs
might be able to run him down when it's all
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said and done.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
My favorite part of that is you look so respectful
and dignified. Your hair was short, and all of a
sudden you got some ratings and he looks like, this
is it's.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Not the ratings. I honestly, I listen, I'm not. This
is going to sound immodest. I don't mean it too.
I just it's more of the money than the ratings.
I just I'm just I just didn't I didn't think
I could pull off this look ten years ago. Yeah,
(13:59):
I'm a different man. By the way, we don't want
to I don't. This is right when the herd long
strong fs won. We don't want to do ah A.
You know, we both made some interesting hair choices in
that era, if we all remember.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But go ahead.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So I was saying this about Jalen Hurts. You and
I have been on this for years that size matters
for quarterbacks and everybody after Russell Wilson's like Johnny Manziel
and Bryce Young and Kyler Nantua and it's like, guys,
it matters. But I will say this, I said last week,
I'm a quarterback traits elitist.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I like him tall. I like big arms, I like mobility.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I'm an elitist, and I was always with Jalen Hurts, Eh,
you little small, and I never knew what his great
trait was. What's his superstar trait? He is the strongest
quarterback pound for pound in league history. He may be
the strongest player. And as I watched him in the
second half against the Rams, a defense that is giving
everybody fits.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
He is really unique.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
He's also, despite his size, a great sideline thrower. He
throws the ball off the sideline about as well as Mahomes.
I mean, he's that good on the sidelines. I was saying,
I look at Philadelphia and I've always been like, yeah,
the quarterback, I don't know. I think his strength is
a superpower.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
So I think his intangibles and leadership are probably a superpower.
I think the strength obviously helps immensely, not just in
what was called the tush push but now branded early
bird because they false start every time. That's what their
quarterbacks thinks called go ahead and call it early bird, Colin,
get on early on that. Okay, neither here the but
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no here is what I find so interesting about Jalen
Hurts because you're right to the sidelines. He's a great passer.
Kind of the middle intermediate part of the field is
maybe where the size hurts him a little bit. But
it seems though like the biggest Jalen Hurts fans believe
in him more than his own coaching staff. They the
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only reason he got an opportunity to throw the ball
Sunday was because they had no other choice. Even though
he came through in the NFC Title Game, he came
through in the Super Bowl. He had a year a
few years ago where he was top three in MVP voting.
They were refusing to open up the offense and last year,
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Colin that made sense because they had the best defense
in the league and Saquan was averaging one p fifty
a game and you were blowing people out. This year,
Saquan hasn't yet popped, the defense hasn't been great, and
they still don't want to let Jalen throw. I find
that really odd, and I think it's interesting that they
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don't that. Again, like Kevin Wilds, who loves Jalen Hurts,
seems to think he's better than Kevin Botulo, the offensive
coordinator for the Eagles. That part is weird. What I
will say about Philadelphia is this, and I'm sorry to
invote the Chiefs, but I must. I find it very
very interesting how the Eagles are. You know, they win
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games blocking a kick, a guy drops a pass, a
tipped pick, and it is a sign of a team
that just knows how to win. They even maybe get
a few beneficial calls, and it's just hey, be better.
And the Chiefs last year were playing this exact same
script and everyone saying, oh, this has got to be
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coming to a crashing halt. The Eagles, like the Chiefs
last year, know how to win games. And while they
might be winless in hypothetical scenarios, if CD caught it,
if Travis caught it, if they don't block the kick,
they are undefeated in the actual standings. And I do
think winning is a team skill. And the Eagles have
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found away each and every week despite not playing their
best football yet, And I think that's really impressive.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Want to on Caleb Williams, So there are certain things
he doesn't do with consistency. His personality isn't terribly consistent,
he can get very emotional. His accuracy isn't ohways consistent,
And my feeling is on Caleb Williams. Unlike Brady, where
you know exactly what you're getting and kind of like
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Jalen Hurts, you kind of know what you get and
know what you don't get. Caleb is a bit of
a roller coaster personality accuracy. So as I watched him
eat the Cowboys for lunch, my take is he's going
to come out this week and he's going to struggle
and you just have to come to terms with he
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has all this horsepower. But what Josh Allen has done
to eliminate the reckless, I don't think he can do.
I think they're different personalities. And as I watch Caleb,
I'm like, we just have to get comfortable with the
fact that he is going to drive Ben Johnson crag
about every other series I watch Ben Johnson's body language,
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Caleb drove him crazy six times and maybe that's just
what he is so.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Well I listen, it took Josh Allen six years to
stop turning though, just stop being a roller coaster. A
guy who right now I think is in the midst
of it is Jordan Love who when he's good, he's great,
and when he's bad he gives the game away to
the Browns, you know, so that can be a process.
I don't necessarily agree with you, Colin that I think
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this week Caleb's gonna have a down game. Where I
do agree with you is he seems like because of
the right now I would say this sounds too harsh,
and I don't mean it too but emotional immaturity, just
the fact that he is he kind of lives and
dies with each play that I think that it is.
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He is the type of player who when he is
having a great game, it's going to lead to a
greater game. And if he misses a few, who throws
it can snowball against him. So I think a lot
of it has to do with how a game starts
and then does he avoid a pitfall early and then
it can be a game like we saw this weekend.
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But I also think there's a huge opportunity for the Bears.
This weekend they play the Raiders, then they have the bye.
If they can beat the Raiders and even themselves at
two and two, then they have the bye. Then the
next week, Colin, is a game against the team that
ended their season last year effectively in the Commanders and
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Jayden Daniels they'd be coming off a bye, they'd be
two and two. So I think this is a critical
spot for Caleb and Benn to beat the Raiders. Steady
yourself have two weeks to have that, you know, Caleb
versus Jayden, Bears versus Commander's game, and then see where
he's at. But I do think it's going to be
fits and starts. But you've seen already through twenty games
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of the kid's career, the overall talent level is so
high that even if he doesn't fully tighten up everything else,
his floor is going to be relatively high. And if
he does tighten up the other stuff, he unequivocally can
be the guy that I know coming out of college
you and I both thought he would be, which is
one of the very best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Nick Right, First things first, I loved your Harbaugh take.
I forgot you know, I was probing Vak. I only
get a couple of more definitely.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
I mean I was sitting in your seat and back listen.
In twenty sixteen, you might not have gotten twenty twenty
five cow Herd vacation days, but you still had sub
He's still where able to take a few days and
by the way, it's because of that that I'm here now,
So I owe it to you, my friend. But yeah, Harball,
I was way ahead of you on that. That's fine,
don't worry about it. You can. I've stolen from you plenty,
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so you can take this one for me. I'll see
you next week.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But first things first, my buddy Nick.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
You know, it's an interesting thing about Josh Allen, Josh
Allen when he started, and Buffalo's different from Chicago. Buffalo's
a small it's very supportive. Is that Josh Allen's first
year and a half, he was a turnover machine. He
couldn't complete fifty eight percent of his throws and it
took him until about eighteen nineteen twenty games and you're like, okay,
he's jumping over linebackers. It's gonna work. But again, in Buffalo,
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it's more supportive. It's a smaller market, and they'd had
Jim Kelly before, They've been to Super Bowls before, they
got the quarterback right multiple times. In Chicago, there's so
many things working against the young quarterback who struggles. It's
a very loud media, it's a major market. They can't
get quarterback right. The team up north, the tiny market
always gets quarterback right. So you could make an argument,
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just make Caleb Williams work. We're gonna give it three
full years. We don't care what that's what they did
with Josh Allen. We think he's super talented. We think
it's horsepower's unbelievable. We're just going to go on and
on and Josh Allen every year. Just get it's a
little better. But it is harder when you're the Chicago
Bears quarterback and they've never gotten the quarterback position right,
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and the guys up north, thirty minutes on a train
up north, are the best team in the league at
developing the most important position, the quarterback. It's a loud media.
It's just hard are certain environments. It's just tougher for
young people. And our current economy, more than any time
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in my life, is really hard for even the kids
that go to the Ivy League schools. We got a
new environment ai displacing jobs, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Chicago for quarterbacks, it's tough. It's a tough place.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And they had a Jim Kelly and they had multiple
Super Bowls, maybe it would be different, but they were
very patient with Josh Allen because of his horsepower, not
because he was super accurate for the first year and
a half.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I mean, like even the first year.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
For Caleb Williams, he had six picks, he completed well
over sixty percent of his throws, and the coaching staff
was a mess. Josh Allen inherited Sean McDonough or Sean McDermott,
accuse me, so, I mean he went to a team
that had already made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor. They
weren't in chaos. The Bears were in chaos. Coach on
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the hot seat. Caleb's like twenty touchdowns, six picks, sixteen
three or sixty four percent completion percentage, and it was
like disaster.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
So it's just harder in Chicago.
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Speaker 1 (25:31):
Oh, we got so much show? Yeah left, we are
only halfway through it. Greg Olsen stopping by, thoughts on
Jerry Jones. I'm gonna have to be very supportive despite
losing for the Dallas Cowboys. Here in the next five minutes,
huge weekend to college football again. Greg Olsen stops by
Jamact with the news.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
On the news.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Love when we get some breaking news.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Colin Jackson Dart in at quarterback for the New York Giants.
Russell Wilson woefully inept against the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Boot off the field.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Enter Dart, who will start Sunday against the Charges.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
I know it says minus six on the screen. I
had checked some Vegas books. It's starting to head up.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
I'm just gonna say this, Jackson Dart has a lot
of upside. Jesse Minter, the defensive coordinator of the Broncos,
has been amazing and last year facing rookie quarterback Bo Nix,
he put him in a body bag. Nicks could do nothing.
It was like twenty eight to nothing in the midway
through the fourth before some garbage time. I know it's
a cross country trip for the Chargers, and everybody's excited
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that what were they for in the hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
They're really good I would be.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Surprised if Jackson Dart was able to pull this off
and get the dub.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I like the Chargers here.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I like big favorites this weekend. I like the Packers.
I like the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I know you could always you could tease them.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Do you do teasers in the.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
In the pic?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I've never had because it feels like it's too much
for the average fan watching.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I'm going to know the average.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Fan is doing same game bars and lighting money on
fire Teesers are way safer than that. But anyways, I'm
optimistic to see dark But I mean, Colin, they don't
have a lot of dudes. Cam Scataboo was there, leading
receiver and rusher. Okay, the rookie from what asu right,
I don't know. I'm worried about the kid Andrew Thomas.
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Is he gonna be on a pitch count again?
Speaker 5 (27:24):
The left tackle?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I think he's been on a career pitchcount.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
We got some Russell Wilson stats here that are ghastly
in the red zone this season. Russell Wilson four of
eighteen for sixteen yards.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I mean, Colin, what the hell is that?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I think it's I think it's time to retire. I
don't think he's gonna have a market.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah, I mean basically an off season story.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Is Russell Wilson a Hall of Famer? You probably say no.
I will argue the other side because that's what we
do on the show. Let's move on to the Baltimore Ravens.
We gotta go back to last night's shocker. Detroit Lyons
beat the Ravens in Baltimore. Look at this Aiden Hutchison
punch out of Derrick Henry his second fourth quarter fumble
lost against Buffalo. It kind of flipped the game. And
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last night was brutal. Here's Henry talking about his fumble.
Lightis lost of words.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Yeah, she working, working in practice three games straight that
had in my.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Career fumbles in critical moments.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
It was yeah, hanging good far I apologize so throught
Nason and I just was she working?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And the strips Listen, Adrian Peterson had a fumble problem.
Key Barber did at one point in his career.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
But those guys were young. Henry's thirty one and turned
thirty two in Genuars.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Listen, he feels terrible, Like I have great sympathy for
people who screw up and feel terrible. Lamar Jackson looked
like he wasn't happy with him. Again, He's a great player.
He feels awful about it. And these punch outs, this
is like a thing now the last two to three years.
This is happening. The NFL doesn't love fumbles, they don't
love change of possessions. But I mean, there are certain
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guys in this league that do it well and it's
become uh you see one to two a game, balls
knocked out, just punched out. I feel so bad for
the guy because he's so much about winning. He's he
has such a work ethic, he's such a committed guy.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
By the way, Aidan Hutchinson last night was a monster.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Oh he was going.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
He was dominant. You need to move him up the
edge rusher rankings if those exist. Final story, Collin, Let's
go to the first European trip of the season. We're
going to Ireland, Dublin. I have a funny Dublin joke,
but I won't tell it on air. Vikings Steelers Pittsburgh
somehow is two and one. They got to be the
worst two and one team in the league. Terry Bradshaw
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agrees he's in this team, does not does not have
championship pedigree.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
They're not ever going to fire my comments if they continue.
They made the playoffs eighteen years and he wins, and
he'll go again nineteen years.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
They don't have the team.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
They're always competitive, but their their past being a contender.
They're not a contender. They're just they're just not from
what I've seen, they're not a contender. And they haven't
been in Wow, that had been a contender in five years.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, I mean if you go last year, they beat
all the bad quarterbacks, then went zero and five down
the stretch.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
They they have a.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
This if you look at the offense and you're being honest,
New England completely outplayed them. I mean New England. It's
not every team that wins is the better team. New
England gave the game away. Now you could say, oh,
the Steelers made great defensive plays. I mean Drake may
through a end zone interception that was probably the worst
interception of the year. I mean it was it was
on a short list of bad interceptions. So but you know,
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they got a winning record. I think I like Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I love Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, quick note, I think the Patriots had five turnovers
against the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
I remember the Jets.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Were in control of that game before the kick returner
fumbles to ended up cutting him Pittsburgh. I mean, come on,
this is not a good football team. I cannot wait
until these guys are cooked. And we stopped talking about
Aaron Rodgers and the series.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
The run is over.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Like Tomlin, great coach, hall of Famer, all that stuff.
Rogers going to the Hall of Fame. They're just not fun.
Do you watch them?
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Like Colin?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
They are a boring team. They're not interesting at all.
I can't find any compelling reason to pay attention to
these guys except to wake up.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
And bet against them.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Hey, real quick, Colin Brian Florees last year, remember the
international game against Rogers when he was on the Jets.
Oh it was brutal. Rogers couldn't do anything. So I
like the vikings here for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I do too. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Line News Dallas Cowboys, and yes, Jerry Jones deserve a
lot of credit. Jerry was talking yesterday and I love
what he said.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
That's next to hurt.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
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Speaker 4 (32:11):
Sunday on Fox, we've got two of the NFC's early
season best at Saquon and the defending champion Eagles tack
on Baker Mayfield in the Bus, or the Jags battle
Christian mccafrey and the Niners, or other regional action.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Check local listings for the game in your area, only
on Fox.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Sometimes you make a business deal and you know you're
gonna get beat up for a year, Like when the
Lakers traded Shack to Miami. The Heat were ready to
win a title. But in the big picture, the more
dedicated athlete, the more obsessed athlete who was had far
more prime years left was the late Kobe Bryant. It
was a good move by the Lakers, but you knew
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you were going to get the you know what kicked
out of you for about a year or two because
the Heat were ready to win a title. So trading
Mike of to the Packers is bad news until April.
It'll be bad for the Dallas Cowboys. They're going to
get you know, Mike is going to play on TV.
He's going to have big games. The Packers are super
Bowl worthy. You're going to lose it for a year.
But you know what the Cowboys have now with multiple
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first round picks for first round picks the next couple
of years, flexibility. Packers don't even have first round picks.
They got flexibility, financial flexibility, draft flexibility, and Jerry Jones
said in the last couple of days he would even
think of trading one of those first round picks to
go get another current star player in the league.
Speaker 10 (33:35):
To use that capital, you've got to have the opportunity
to use it. I had the opportunity to really do
some good with those picks, I would do it. You've
got to have something that comes your way that's really special,
and if you've got the currency to do it, which
in this case it would be draft picks, we'll do it.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I have seen in my life too many bosses that
make decisions trying to win the press conference and make
sure the media critics they don't come after us. Lack vision,
lack courage. I've been doing this thirty five years. Sometimes
you're going to get whacked for a year when you
make a decision. Is it in the best long term
interest of the franchise. Mike is really good. You could
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go draft the next Mica next year. But having four
first round picks, you could trade down, you could move
up because Dak's play is so strong right now, you
don't need a quarterback. So nothing better. And I think
the Cowboys are going to finish in the top seven
or eight picks. They're not a very good football team.
They're beat up with Ceedee, Lamb, Digs, not plan well,
Mike has gone.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
It's not a very good team, not a very good
coaching staff.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So in the end, leverage flexibility that long term is
what all the great teams need, not a really good
pass rusher who clogs up a lot of your salary cap.
Props to Jerry for having the courage, not consumed, willing
to take the hit for a year until April. Jerry's
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gonna get dug because Micah may have the big sack
in the Super Bowl and every columnist will.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Riyeh, I doesn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And then April comes around and the Packers don't have
our first round pick in and then the Cowboys have
two and can leverage it into multiple other picks or
trade and get another good edge rusher, call the Raiders.
We'll take Max Crosby first. All right, Big college weekend.
And I noticed something about this Big College Weekend. Twenty
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first rank, USC underrated at twenty three, Illinois probably a
little overrated. Number one, Ohio State at Washington, number six,
Oregon at number three, Penn State. Three very interesting college
games in the Big ten. Have you noticed anything about
those three games?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
None of these games would.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Have existed just two years ago. Instead, you would have
had Washington hosting cow and you would have had Oregon
at Washington State or USC facing.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
The Beavers. That's fine.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
College football in my life has had two major problems,
A big game problem, two regional too many small games
that matter to a single state or maybe two. And
December was a wasteland of unwatchable bowl games that can't
sell tickets and have to give them away. Both of
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those issues have been resolved. The late great John Madden
used to say, certain games sound big. Niners against the
Packers regardless of record, sounds big Eagles, Cowboys regardless of record.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Ohas sounds big.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
You know what sounds big Ohio State at Husky Stadium.
That sounds big, even Ohio State's a lot better. You
know it sounds big. Oregon at Penn State and USC
red hot, most sacks in the country, number one offense
against a team in the Midwest. That sounds big or
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big error than Cal and Washington at Husky Stadium. So
I am for tradition when it's great, like explosives on
Fourth of July.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I like fireworks or Christmas.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
But you're not going to convince me that eliminating the
classic Stanford against Arizona State football game every October is
bringing me to the emotional cliff. Too many people love
tradition when tradition's not that special. Yes, Thanksgiving dinner is, yes,
(37:53):
Christmas is fireworks.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
There are certain holidays that are big. Michigan, Ohio State,
Duke Carolina, and basketball. We all agree. But major League
Baseball needed tweaks. They did it, and the ratings are up,
and college football was incredibly regional. And then they combined
the four big names in the Pac twelve moving to
(38:17):
the Midwest, and I'm getting a lot more big game.
Justin Herbert was on an hour ago. He can't wait
for Oregon Penn State.
Speaker 11 (38:25):
I always make time to watch Oregon, you know, growing
up a Duck fan playing there, you know, it's been
so fun to watch them play. And you know, I
think that's kind of the cool thing about going to
the Big ten and playing all these these fun teams,
as you're gonna go to the East Coast and you're
gonna have some big games, and you know, not always
was that the case in the Pac twelve. And you know,
I know that Ducks are really excited, and you know,
(38:46):
Eugene is loving it too, So it's really cool to see.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, and for the record, Ohio State may run Washington
out of the building. I think it'll be pretty close.
College teams when they go on the road aren't quite
as powerful. Ohio State will win. Maybe it'll be ugly,
but it feels big. Oregon Penn State should be great.
That feels massive. But USC and on NOI it feels big.
I mean, USC last year struggled against non traditional powers
(39:11):
on the road, struggled, lost to Maryland, lost in Minnesota,
so it actually feels really big. It's the first time USC,
which by the way, beat LSU last year, beat Texas
A and M last year. I think they've won like
six of their last seven. They're on like a four
five game winning streak something like that. I think it's
the second longest winning streak in the Big ten. So,
but it's I'm not anti tradition, but you know what
(39:33):
electric vehicles. When I lived in Los Angeles and didn't
have to go to a gas station where the gas
prices got as high.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
As six fifty, I know, you like that V eight.
I understand it.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I'm not against it, but I kind of liked an
EV where I plug it in at night and never
have to go to a gas station and it doesn't
make a lot of noise, and it's quiet, and it's
fast and it's zero to sixty and one second. I
kind of like that too. Not every tradition is great.
A massive weekend in college football, you know, j meck
I got to go back. I want to go back
(40:05):
to the Cowboys and Jerry Jones saying I made trade
one of those first round picks for a players. If
you go look at the Cowboys the last three years,
the one thing, I mean, they were a good offensive team,
they made the playoffs, they had exciting players, But the
one thing the Cowboys lacked didn't have any flexibility. They
(40:26):
couldn't pay eight million dollars for Dereck Henry when they
had the worst running back room in the league. And
Jerry Jones has always been this deal maker. So basically,
you had the world's best poker player and he didn't
have any He had no leverage and no flexibility. Dallas
is going to get crushed. If Green Bay wins the
Super Bowl, and they have a very good chance to
(40:48):
do that, they're gonna be one hundred anti Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It's the worst trade ever.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And that's fine, But come April, when you don't need
a quarterback, have two first round picks. The Rams do
they need a quarterback? Browns do they need a quarterback?
Dallas is going to be in unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Shape in April.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Spare me, Bro.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Listen, It's not like Dallas is one player away from contending.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
I mean, their defense cannot get out. I'm looking at
some EPA.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Numbers here, Bro, their second worst defense in the league, Colin,
They're so far away from contending. And you outline this
at the top when we talked about quarterbacks in the AFC,
you pay them and all of a sudden, the rest
of the roster stinks that's the Cowboys. They're the Bengals
of the NFC, and now CD lambs out. So you
got Dak and petulant Carl pick now Carl Pickens, George
(41:41):
Pickens and a.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Running back room.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
That's eh, your setter's out what four to six weeks? Dude,
they're not even close to contending. They Washington who got
snubbed in your hurt hierarchy. By the way, they.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Ringers had the worst defense in the league. Then they
hired the right coach and the same guys, same player.
If you had an elite coaching staff, not Brian Schottenneimer
and Matt Eberflus, it looks even worse because of the staff.
Jim Harbugh, Jesse Minter took a defense that was thirty
second to first, the same guys. I'm not saying they
(42:15):
have a both and the Khalil Mack coaching matters. Cowboys
don't have the
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