September 25, 2025 • 41 mins
Should the Vikings have passed on Aaron Rodgers? Greg Cosell breaks down Caleb Williams in Week 3, and what kind of flaws are appearing in the Ravens defense after their loss to the Detroit Lions. Plus, breaking down film on how Sam Darnold is working in Seattle. Colin talks about the Super Bowl Bubble and which teams are on the cusp of going the whole way, and which strong teams don’t have a shot.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour too, Greg Cosell. In a
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Greg Cosel, NFL Films Live. It's The Herd wherever you
may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. Jmac to you. Like I
watched PFF, I've disagreed through the years on PFF, but
I think by and large, Chris COLLINSWITHT Company's pretty accurate.
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So it's funny. Aaron Rodgers. Right now, the Vikings play
the Steelers in Dublin. We both like the Vikings in
this game. Carson Wentz, according to PFF, is kind of
middle of the pack grade. Aaron's the second lowest quoted quarterback,
below Spencer Ratler, who's never I don't think he's ever
won an NFL start. But it's funny. I watched Aaron,
I would have never guessed that he was that lowly
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grated he's made. You know, he still has the back
shoulder stuff. I thought he got a bad interception, he
got a bad break from a teammate that made a
mistake against Seattle that wasn't his fault. I have not
when I watched almost every snap this year, I would
never guess he's the second lowest credited quarterback. I would
think middle of the pack, and he's he's strictly a
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pocket quarterback right now. But it's interesting and and i'm
I'm this is not a criticism, but I think Aaron
and Carson Wentz right now are fairly similar past their primes,
had some injuries, both more than capable arms. Wenz doesn't
move like he used to. He's a pocket guy. Aaron
doesn't move like he used to. He's a pocket guy.
But PFF has one guy at the bottom of the
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wrong and the other guy. It's pretty interesting. Do you
buy it, PFF? Do you do you trust their numbers ranking? Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, I think for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
You know, any like.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Outside of sports, you take a little of info from PFF.
You take a little info from here. EPA success, right,
you put all of it together. You don't just look
at PFF and say, Aaron Rodgers stinks, but he's not
passing the eye test, Colin.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Let's be real.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know, he looked okay against that Jets team, but
they've proven to be like a kind of a mid
to bad defense so far, and Seattle kind of confounded him.
So I know, I haven't really seen it the eye test,
but PFF is confirming what I want.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What's interesting about this game is Aaron. There were rumors
that the Vikings Kevin O'Connell, the head coach, there were
rumors they were in on Aaron Rodgers that leaked out.
Aaron denied it. Aaron did clarify it yesterday when asked
about the team he's facing this weekend on the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I'll just reiterate that Kevin and I have been friends
since two thousand and eight. We used to work out
together at a place called Fitness Quest out in North County,
San Diego, So I've known him forever. We've been friends forever,
and we keep in touch with one of the guys
that keep in touch with Thanks never progressed, you know,
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farther than catchup conversations. I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
All right, Just leave it at that. I don't know
what that means, but I'll leave it at that, and
we'll start it. Not leave it with Greg Cosel forty
six years NFL film. We got a lot of ground
to cover here, and I can't wait for today. So
last week, when I started to compliment Caleb Williams, I
heard this avalanche, this chorus of it was the Cowboys.
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He hit open receivers. Dallas is a mess. Was there
anything you watched or that changed that you looked at
Caleb Williams and said, Okay, that's a step in the
right direction.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Well, calin the way I answer that is the litmus
test in a Ben Johnson passing game are throws between
the numbers at the end intermediate level. If you start
to see those kinds of throws with more consistency, that
will tell you that Caleb Williams is getting a better
understanding and figuring out how to run this offense. Because
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think back to Detroit with Jared Goff. Jared Goff under
Ben Johnson was probably the best between the numbers thrower
at the intermediate level in football, because that's the way
Ben Johnson structures many of us route concepts, and we
saw some of that last week. So for me, it
wasn't the nature of the opponent that just adds to
the numbers and makes the numbers look better. It's whether
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Williams is seeing it the right way for those difficult
window throws between the numbers. That's the best way to
look at his development and progress under Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So there was a discussion last week. It was a
topic on this show. I said, in the NFL, start
the quarterback that helps you win sunday. Don't worry about
where you drafted a guy who helps you win someday.
And I said in my and I said, as the
Vikings face the Steelers over in Dublin, I said, I
think Carson Wentz today is better than JJ McCarthy today.
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I was always a Wentz fan. I thought he was reckless,
fallas too. I was a fan, big strong guy, little reckless,
had a little Sam Darnold amazing moment, a little reckless.
So what does he bring to the Vikings offense. I
think they're so well coached that I think Carson Wentz
It wouldn't shock me if you said in a month, oh,
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they went in a five game winning streak, what did
you see?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Yeah, last week was a tough way to really evaluate
him because of the way the game played out. Obviously
it didn't turn it over. The issues that he's always
had are still there. He's a wide base thrower, so
what happens at times when there is pressure around him.
He tends to rush his throws and can become a
little scattershot. But he made a couple of great throws
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last week. The thirty six yardert of Jefferson was a
short throw and a long run, but it was a
phenomenal windows throw into a really tight window. So he's
capable of those things. And I heard you speaking before.
He doesn't move like he used to, so he's essentially
a pocket player. So we'll see what happens in tighter
games where instead of being ahead and not having to
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throw very much. He only threw six balls in the
second half last week against Cincinnati. If he has to
throw thirty five forty times, we'll see, because sometimes what
that does is it makes some of his issues really
come to the forefront.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So one of the great mysteries to me in the
NFL is you got about thirteen twelve and a half,
thirteen minutes to make an adjustment. Guys go to the bathroom,
Guys grab something to drink. You don't have a ton
of time. You'll walk in, you walk out. The Philadelphia
Eagles trailed twenty seven to six and then one, and
we're a different offense entirely. What didn't they do early
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and what did Jalen Hurts? I mean, obviously AJ Brown
was a focal point, but what are the film say
on their second half?
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Well, it's funny you say that because I've had coaches
tell me that the most important player on the Eagles
offense is AJ Brown. Because the reality is, if you
want to really buck up and stop the run, you
can do that with bodies and in fact Barkley this year.
Last year, first coct contact for Barkley was four yards
down the field, so he was getting to the second
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level clean. This year it's about two yards, so he's
not getting past the first level. Their old line's not
playing as well. But what they do really well and
have for a number of years, is throw outside the
numbers to AJ Brown. That's the strength of Jalen Hurts
as a thrower. Brown is a really tough cover outside
the numbers. He's so strong, he's so physical. That's how
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their offense got started with a thirty eight yard fade
route against the Rams in the third quarter, followed by
the touchdown to Goddard, which was the perfect play call
against the coverage that they got. But Brown, like I said,
there's a a lot of coaches who believe he's really
the key to that offense because you get so many
one on ones outside because of the run game, and
he's a really difficult cover.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, I love Justin Herbert out of college. I loved
him in Oregon. He's a great kid. He comes on
the show, so I've got some confirmation bias here. But
it does feel like he's leading the way in not
the run game. It does feel like they've rammed up right. Yeah,
like they're a bit more aggressive down the field. What
does the film say on Harbaughs offense in year two
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with Justin.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Well, I guess maybe they've locked Greg Roman in a
closet somewhere, because this is now a passing football team
through three weeks. I mean they are dropping back and
throwing the ball. And I think one thing that's important
if you're going to do that. And I always heard
Tom Brady talk this way, is if you're going to
have your quarterback drop back that many times, then he's
got to be more than willing and feel very comfortable
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taking six yard throws if those are the throws that
are there.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Brady would talk about that a lot.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
If it's first and ten and they're gonna give me
a six yard throw, I'm gonna take it every time.
And I think Herbert's got that nice balance right now,
colin between understanding that there's nothing wrong in a normal
down and distant situation with taking the shorter throw, staying
ahead of the sticks, and we know he's got a
big arm and can make big times throws and movement
throws obviously when necessary, as we're seeing right here this
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I assumes the touchdown al and yes it is, and
you can he certainly can do that.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
But through three games they are a passing offense.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So we watched the Ravens kind of shockingly get pushed
around for three and a half hours those by the Lions,
and I said, listen, if you're trying to get through
Buffalo and Herbert, I don't know if that defense is
good enough you may be a team that needs to
make a move on the trade deadline now. Kyle Hamilton, Hamilton,
rokwand Smith. They've got some good players. They spend their
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money on defense. But when you're was it a bad
matchup with a dominating O line of Detroit? Was bad matchup?
Or when you look at the film on Baltimore do
they just have some realities with personnel?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, in this given game, Matta Bouquet was out and
I believe he'll be out again. Kyle van Noy, who's
a really good player, he was out. Surprisingly, Jones, the
d tackle who's a really good player, got moved off
the ball a lot. And keep in mind the two
guards for Detroit. One's a second year player Mahogany. The
other is Tate Radledge, a rookie from Georgia. So they
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moved those guys throughout the game. But it's funny. I'm
watching the first on tape. I'm talking about the watch
first quarter and a half, and I'm thinking, where's this
big run game? Because they actually stopped him for a
quarter and a half and then everything changed. But they
are giving up the most points in the NFL right now,
and they are really struggling with the run game, and
sometimes you're good players Colin have bad games. Rokwan Smith
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did not have a good game, but you're not expecting
that to be the case every game.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
He's a really good player. He just did not have
a very good game.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, so we've been joking. Jay McK and I have
been joking this league. Darnold Baker, Gino mac Jones. You
give up on him, People give up on them. Then
you look up with a new staff and a new
offensive coach and you're like, wow, Sure, I have been
arguing for a year and a half. I like the
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Colts roster. I think Warren now Taylor, Pittman, Pierson. I
like their and I think their offensive line is good.
I thought it really I kept saying with Anthony Richardson,
just get somebody that can complete the layups. They've got
really good players, So I'm My theory is this is
not a mirage. Coaching obviously matters, but like the Colts,
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the Colts are this is a pretty good roster. It's
not the Eagles, but it's pretty good or is it
just amazing coaching by Shane Stallin.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Well, there's a combination, But think of it this way,
how many quarterbacks are Josh Allen, Patrick, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson.
There's very few of those guys. There's not fifty of
those guys out there. So what are most quarterbacks?
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Colin?
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Most quarterbacks are ball distributors and executors of an offense.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
That's what you're asking your quarterback to do. That's what
you're coaching him to do.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
And right now, with the talent they have, they have
a very good old line, they have four receivers, they've
got multiple tight ends, including Tyler Warren who's a very
good player.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
So what is Jones doing exceptionally.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Well, He's distributing the football, he's making the right decision,
he's making good location throws, he moves when necessary, He's
executing the offense.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
That's what you want your quarterback to do.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Now, you and I both know we have no idea
what's going to happen Sunday, next week, three months from now.
But all we have is what we have right now,
and at this moment in time, he is very efficiently
executing a well schemed, well designed offense with a lot
of talent.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, so my saw story this week is CJ. Stroud
playing himself out of an extension. So I usually look
at quarterbacks and I say, do they have a defined
elite trait? I think he throws an elite accurate ball
when he's given reasonable time. But they can't run protection.
Second year in a row is bad. It's a defensive
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head coach. I worry about the O line regression. I
still think he's a big, accurate distributor.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Of the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I don't think there's much around him offensively. But what
does the film say with this great rookie who doesn't
look the same in the last year and a half.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
No, well, it's funny you say that because it's rookie
season and it started early. I saw, maybe in the
second game in the season, just the precise timing and
anticipation that he threw with. And he really hasn't looked
that way. Last year he didn't, and this year up
to this time, he has not. I think he's not
a truly comfortable player. The old line is certainly an issue.
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But again it becomes a difficult balancing at Colin because
you can't walk into the locker room and say, guys,
you know I'm not playing well because my own line
is not very good.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
You can't say that.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
So you got to figure out how to function if
within a squeezed and muddied pocket, And I think that's
something he's still figuring out.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Now.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Are there some plays where the old line just gives
him no time and he doesn't have a chance. Yes,
but at some point you've got to be able to
function otherwise you're not going to have a passing game.
And right now their passing game is very inconsistent, very
up and down, and he just doesn't look like the
same confident thrower that's seeing throws window throws as viable
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throws the way he did his rookie season.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, sometimes it's upstairs. You lose confidence, you know, you
lose trust. You said that last year with Mahomes, you
could tell he didn't trust his offensive line, and then
the Super Bowl you shouldn't have trusted it.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
Yeah, but at some point you got to play. I mean,
you still got to play, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So I went back and watched the Packers Browns game
a second time, and I guess my takeaway is Cleveland's
defense is really good and I do really good, really good,
And I think the Packers are young, young teams kind
of get into their fields. They were playing real well.
Everybody said they're the best team in the league. They
came out without a lot of jewice early. They probably
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should have won ten to nothing. One bad pick by
Jordan Love. I think it's a one off, and I
think Cleveland's got really good defensive personnel. What did Cleveland
do that Jordan Love couldn't figure out? Because it's not
like the Packers don't have excellent young offensive personnel either.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
No, but I think everything with the Browns starts with
their D line. They play.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
They have a five man rotation at d end. Of course,
Garrett plays more snaps than anybody else, but they have
a five man rotation. They're really good inside. This was
the best game this past week that Mason Graham has
played in his first three games in his NFL career.
Malik Collins is one of those guys that is seemingly
on a different team every year, but is a really
good player. So They've got a lot of Jews and
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a lot of talent up front, and they play a
lot of man coverage and they're very.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Good on the back end.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I mean, Denzel Ward is one of the best, probably
overlooked corners in the league. And I had a former
coordinator in the league tell me that the two toughest
coordinators that he's ever played against are Vic Fangio and
Jim Schwartz. So Jim Schwartz does just enough in terms
of rotation and showing you different pictures on the back
end at key moments that he confuses quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
And you know in this league, when I say confused, all.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
It takes is is half a beat, and that's long
enough for it to be a problem for a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, okay, now a topic I'm gonna like. It took
a while for me to win this debate, but I'm
a Sam Darnold fan. I always felt that he was too.
He always were yeah, tough, athletic, well liked, incredibly coachable,
But I did think he was a reckless player and
he had to play with instructure. If you gave him structure,
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roun twenty six to twenty eight times with a decent
run game. If you ask him to throw on third
and twelve, it can be trouble. Third and four. He
can be very very good because he's a playmaker and
he's got a nice arm. So what are you seeing
That's clicking in Seattle with Sam Darnold.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Well, you're starting to see the same thing we saw
last year in Minnesota. You're starting to see the Clint
Kubiak offense. And he basically comes from the same coaching
tree to some extent as Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
So now you're seeing more under center, more.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Play action, play action boot things that make Donald feel
very comfortable, that help define the reads, make them cleaner,
so he knows where to go with the ball, so
he's not dropping back and you're asking him to read
everything in front of him, which quite frankly, is not
the strength of his game when he can see it
cleanly and it's defined.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
As you said, he is very, very talented.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
And if we can go to our big play, because
this play last week against the Saints in the red
zone is very very representative of a Clint Kubiak offense
and how Donald.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Is very efficient within it.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
And this is play action boot left and this was
such a beautifully designed play.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
And Donald can make these throws. He can make any throw.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
So right now you're going to see Donald and again
notice that he's under center, so you're going to see
Walker's in the backfield and they're gonna have three wide
receivers on the field, and what they're going to do
here and more and more teams do this, but it's
really important to Seattle's offense is motion by Horton the
rookie wide receiver across the formation. So now what you're
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going to see is inside run action, and I want
you to focus on the safety Justin Reid, a really
good player. By the way, there's Walker in the backfield.
There's the safety Justin Reid. Because this is a critical
piece of this play because what's going to happen is
when you do run action and you throw at Colin,
very often you're putting one defender and conflict.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
That's all. It takes.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Very often one defender. Watch Reid's initial reaction. It's going
to be inside and he's going to step up. That's
the critical defender on this play. You're putting him in conflict.
That's a big philosophy of Kyle Shanahan as well. So
now what you're going to see after they do that
is we're going to go back to the snap and
we're going to look at the route concept. You're going
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to see Cup run the corner route, the tight end's
going to work into the flat and JSN, who's having
a phenomenal season by the way, he's going to run
the crosser that ties in with the boot action by
Sam Darnold. So now as we play this, you'll see
all the routes work and you can see how they
match up to it. The corner is going to match Cup,
that defender is going to match bonner into the flat.
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And remember Reid, he's the one who has to play
JSN on the crosser. But look how he gets sucked
up by the run action and then he goes, oh,
you know what, and he realizes that he's got to
hunt up JSN and he can't do it.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
So you can really see it clearly from this angle.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
This is beautiful play design down in the high red
zone and Donald certainly can make throws rolling to his left,
and this is just the design and the execution beating
the defense.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
And Donald's in a really good situation.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
And by the way, they have a very good defense
that's only going to get better in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, we just we were talking today about the athletic
They surveyed twenty nine execs, gms and coaches on the
best front offices, and it might as well have been
my third hierarchy, my top ten teams. And it's like,
there's right. People think the gap in this league is
quarterbacks and coaches. But Seattle john Snyder, when you watch
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them play. They may not have the eagle roster, but Greg,
Seattle is fast.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
They don't and they've got Yeah, and the defensively, Kylin,
I'm telling you you look at that roster. Defensively, they've
got a very good roster.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Great, Greg Cosel as always NFL films forty six years.
Great talking to you on a Thursday, Greg.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Thanks, Colin, always appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, it's so much of this league is upstairs. But
you know, I mean you don't know. Some guys take
a while to develop and draft. And everybody was worried
about JSN Is he going to be? Is he going
to be a number one receiver for Seattle? And it's like,
I just trust John Snyder. He looks like a number one.
Then they went and get this kid from Holt from
Colorado State in the fifth round and it's like, what
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is it Horton?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
My bad?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
It looks like he's a number two. Like now it's early, whatever,
But Seattle's done a really good job to get third, fourth, fifth,
sixth round. Guys who can play. They got a running
back from Miami in the seventh round. He hadn't played
a ton yet, but I watched him in College Martinez
and it was like he averaged four and a half
yard every time I watched Miami. He was a good player.
It's like, how is he available in the seventh round?
So you know what, the guys upstairs have a huge
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influence in this league.
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Speaker 1 (23:03):
Buckeye started as a ten point favorite. It's come down.
There are some moneyline Husky betters. I'm not one of them,
but Jed Fish, coach of Washington, has got himself remember
Ohio State. He's got a very young quarterback. It is
a one of the loudest stadiums, and the three loudest
stadiums I've ever been in are Gainesville, Florida, Otson and
Husky Stadium. It is loud and Washington can score, so
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that's a tough lift for Ohio State. I'll take the
Buckeyes by about a touchdown. Oregon goes to Penn State.
I like Oregon in that spot. I Oregon wins these
big games, and I frankly I think Dante more It
could be the most underratted player in the country. The
Oregon quarterback is a stud. Also, I like USC now.
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Illinois is a heavy blitz man de a man defense,
but they're banged up in the secondary. That game I
think will be close early because it's an early start
time for USC. It's a weird early start time where
it starts at eleven, which is nine am Los Angeles time.
So I think USC is gonna look ugly in the
first half and really struggle and pull away. But it
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is a great weekend. I'll take USC by about ten.
Ohio State by a touchdown. I think old missus overrated.
LSU wins on the road. I'll take A and M close.
Indiana close, Oregon close. One of us likes Bama.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
It's not me.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I'm gonna take Georgia. This is what they're prone to do.
Win at home by a touchdown or more.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It is a late man. I can just you hyping
up these guys. The hyperbole.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I mean, it's not even October and you're talking about
like DoD T Moore and then the Washington quarterback, Like,
I love the hype. And one of the guys just
sent me a video of Penn State the white out.
How do you leave Beaver Stadium off your list of
loudest area? Have you?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Just? Well, I've only been there one time. Again, Auson's
not big, but it's built into the ground. Watson's insanely loud.
It used to be louder before it got a little
upscale and bougie. The crowd used to be a little
roudier and more lubricated. But it's still incredibly loud. Husky
Stadium is it shakes. Husky Stadium, It like one side
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of the stadium shakes. It's wild.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
The Gainesville listen, I've been, you know, I almost went
to college here. I got accepted.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Kenville is about that loud. No, it's about the structure.
It's built straight up, so it's hard that the the
like Michigan's huge, but the noise escapes Gainesville. It's built
straight up and so the noise reverberates back and forth.
So I'm just telling you I've been on sidelines at
most of the big stadiums.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
And it's in obviously listen that tall rouge where LU
like it registered as an earthquake.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You know, by the way subplot for LSU.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
O Miss, the star linebacker for LSU is now dating
Lane Kiffin's daughter and posted it on Instagram and the
SEC is like going crazy thinking Lane Kiffin's trying to
play mind games. Listen, man, Yeah, he's using his daughter
to play mine games with Brian Kelly.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Listen, this is a great weekend for football.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Oh it's Saturday is going to be absolutely bonkers. Here's
j Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
On the news.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Right, let's bust right into it. Jaden Daniels is he
going to play or not? Colin dan quinn is listing
him as day to day. However, Jaden Daniels talked to
reporters yesterday and said whether he plays or not will
be up to the doctors. Now that that is interesting wording.
He said he wants to play, but it's up to
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the doctors. To me is probably why the line you
see it come down it was three, it's.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Not one and a half.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I think that's saying, hey, this is gonna be another
Mariota game.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And just for the record, Atlanta is at home. They
do have good edg rushers.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Gross. I will say this, the question about Jaden Daniels
coming out of college was durability. He got dinged up
last year, He's dinged up this year. It's like Rock Purty.
It's not the end of the world, but it should
be noted. You know, these players that get dinged up early,
like Joe Burrow and Brock Purty get dinged up often.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You're not calling him Glass Joe Burrow, No, no.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean, I'm just saying this was the primary concern.
It's like Caleb Williams when he came to the Bears.
The primary was concern was he does hero ball, he
doesn't play well with instructure, and then you see, oh wait,
he doesn't necessarily play well in structure. I'm always worried
in the NFL when my number one concern with you
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is realized your first couple of years in the league.
For instance, it was t Bow. I never was a
te Bow guy, but it was like people said, he's
got a slow, slow delivery, and you saw very early
It's like, yeah, it takes a while. To get cranked up.
So I would just say when you see a problem
in college, Anthony Richardson had accuracy issues in college, You're like,
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he hadn't played the position a lot, he didn't never
feel for it. He misses easy stuff. Well, his first
fifteen stars or twelve stars, you're like, oh, he can't
hit the easy stuff. That's a problem. So Jden's amazing.
But now this is the second time he's been banged up.
He's played a year in the league.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
So we talk a lot about team building, right, and
you know the Mexican soccer team we have you need
a number ten, which is like a messy Diego Maradona,
and we had one last year on our team and
then we sold him. Without him, we're struggling. Well, you
know what in the NFL column, it is the offensive line.
If you do not protect your investment, he's going to
get dinged up. Now, Washington did that right with Laramie Tunsseels.
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They went out and got him and he's still banged up.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
This is not great.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I forgot that he was injured last year. You're right,
you brought that up. So that's now two seasons.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
You know, again. I don't want to go back to
Tom Brady, but like he was helping for like fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
In a row, it's time Manning and Brett Paarr again.
Aaron Rodgers has taking shot. He's been hurt once in
his career. It just it is Joe Burrow keeps getting hurt. Well,
you know it's this left tackle for the Giants. Andrew
Thomas a tremendous player. Dude, he is hurt every single year.
So you do get to a point where you can
love a player, but this whole league is are you
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available Sunday? Eli Manning was always available Sunday.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
The last thing.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Rahie Morris is shutting down reports of a quarterback controversy.
Mike Pennix is our guy. No not playing Kirk Cousins
sor right. Next up is the forty nine Ers. Obviously
lost Nick Bosa, but listen, man Fred Warner, they still
have him the middle linebacker Colin.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
If we had a draft of like non.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Ed rushers for defensive players, I would probably go Fred
Warner number one. The guy's incredible. You watch him, He's
a machine. Here he is talking about the impact of
Nick Bosa.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
I'm sick. I'm so sick for him, you know, because
you know he knows what that's like to go through
that process right of a recovery from that injury, which
I know is fully capable of, but then doesn't make
it any easier.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Obviously, it's a huge blow to our team, but we
move forward.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
I hate to say next man in mentality, because you
can't just replace him with one player. But you know,
the mission is still the same. Or we're gonna find
a way to make make a to get one win
this week and we'll figure out.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
The rest later.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Hall of Famer Fred Warner so good.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
Oh, he's so good.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
He's one of the kim He is one of you.
If you watch a football player, you can tell how
smart they are by their instincts.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Instincts.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I don't know. Fred Warner unbelievable instincts he has got.
He has an ability to sniff a playout he gets
It's like a center fielder who gets a good jump
on the ball. He gets a jump on play and
you see a lot of guys they're mostly like you know,
seaball go attack it, and then there's guys that are
ahead of the play. Fred Warner is an unbelievable talent.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Quick note, no practice yesterday for Ricky Pearsall. We know
Jenny's didn't go last week. Listen, man, if you don't
have Kiddings pearsall, sorry, Kittle, Pierce and Jennings it that's
bad news. So we got to wait, and we don't
know if it's going to be pretty or mac Jones.
I want to fire on the Niners, but I'm holding off.
Final story Colling College Football, Oh Boy, Oregon number six
(31:12):
in the country, heads to Happy Valley to take on
Penn State and James Franklin. Penn State obviously has a
huge home field advantage, and Dan Lanning talked about the
Ducks handling that rock US atmosphere.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
That's part of what.
Speaker 10 (31:25):
Mixed college football fun is. It's a real one to
get to go play in. Like, we've got a great
atmosphere here. It's been an asset for us. I'm sure
they're counting on it being an asset for them. But again,
play the game, not the occasion.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Just how much we'd be playing Mobomba this week in
preparation for.
Speaker 10 (31:41):
What it'll play. It'll play a couple of times. We'll
be you know, do everything we can to be prepared
for that environment for sure. I love here and I
don't love that song.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So mob There's a classic moment you can look it
up on YouTube of where Penn State was playing Michigan
and they blast this song Mobamba on the opening snap
of the game. Michigan was penalized because they couldn't even
couldn't get to play in first play of the game Colin,
So it is a little crazy. Saturday Night is going
to be fire.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's a bummer. You're not out here, man, we could
hang together. I got a haul passed from the wife.
Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I uh, I'm going to be uh broadcasting Saturday USC
the most underrated team in college football, USC, which is
going to go to let's see Purdue. Michigan's going to
go a potentially five and oh touchdown favorite. I do
think Illinois o line struggles and the no you know
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who Aliga country in sacks.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, James struggling.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Look at those numbers, Colin top ten opponents, James Franklin,
what is that about, By the way, how do you
go four?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
And what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Like?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Try to put that into context of the audience. Well,
because I've tried it it's tough.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay. So first of all, a lot of those games
are against Jim Harbaugh's Wolverines in Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
You got five stars. What's a big deal?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Come on, those are hard teams to beat. I mean,
Ohio State couldn't beat Jim Harbaugh at the end at
Penn State's not going to gee.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
But this is a twenty four game sample size. Man,
This isn't like four straight through Michigan. You know, well,
they've lost a lot of close ones. They've lost often
to the best team in the country. They've lost to
Ohio State, They've lost to Michigan with hardball. I don't
you know again, you gotta be careful about I'm not
killing him. I'm just saying these are numbers that are undeniable.
(33:30):
You can't just that's no big deal. There is some
criticism of Franklin and late game strategies. I mean, again,
I'm not crushing the guy, but this is a big spot.
And I'm not saying you run him out of town,
but like, eventually, you got to win the big games.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Don't you. First of all, you run him out of town.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I'm not saying they would, but I would give him
to your stuff happen.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I would give him a lifetime contract today. I would
give him a lifetime contract there.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I'll never forget Schottenheimer with the Chargers. They go like,
I think it was like fourteen and two. Yeah, beat him,
and the are they losing the first round of the plass?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I think just ran him out of town. They're like,
you're not winning the big game.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
It happens, man, SEC people freak out, and the Big
Ten there's big money, it's safe.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So there's about eight coaches in college football that they're
just gonna win games. Some of them are better on schemes,
some are better recruiters. I mean Dabo wins a bunch
of games. Kirby Smart's gonna win a bunch of games.
I mean Dan Lanning at Oregon is gonna win a
bunch of games.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
You know how irrational these boosters are? Okay, you know
these crazy rich guys do lating all this money and
he killed. It's not about like whether or.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Not he's a good coach. We know he's good.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
It's the boosters in college football are crazy and they're
the ones funding the nil money. And if they're like, listen,
I want a new coach, it gets a little. It's
like a board overthrowing the CEO.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Right fourteen, I was right fourteen. I think James Franklin's great.
He is. Fourteen of the twenty losses for James Franklin
came to Jim Harbaugh, Ryan Day, and Urban Meyer. Well, okay,
that's like Ohio State Buckeye fan for years was banging
on Ryan Day, and I'm like, hey, he's losing to
Georgia and Jim Harball. Give me a break. Dryan Day
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was crushing everybody except Jim Harball, whose last two years
had a stacked froster were fifteen NFL guys. Yeah, James
Franklin's losing Urban Meyer is arguably after saving the best
college coach ever. Jim Harbaugh, I think is the best
football coach in the world. And Ryan Day is outstanding,
and Buckeye fans are weird because he couldn't beat two
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programs in the country. So he's losing to all the
great and I mean again, Ohio Penn State's a top
six program right now in America, undeniable under James Franklin. Yeah,
j Mack with a new Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
That's the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, I mean, I mean listen if I mean, they
had some bumps in between, but you go Joe Paterno
and eventually James Franklin. You know programs.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It's like people complaining about Sark at Texas. You've had
Mac Brown and now Sark with both you win a
bunch of games. You know, what are we talking about here?
It's like people if you get like in Philadelphia, I mean,
they got rid of Andy Reid, and I wouldn't have
done that, but the argument was, hey, it had been time,
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and I get that. And now Philadelphia has done well,
but they moved through some different coaches. The Chip thing
and the Doug Peterson thing and now the Sirianni thing
was a little bumpy and now it's not. But it's
you know, in college, there's just a handful of guys
that are gonna win double digit games every year. They're
big time recruiters, They build good staffs, give them lifetime contracts.
(36:43):
The idea that I'm gonna get rid of Dabbo Swinny,
what are you talking about? You know, I got that
Super Bowl bubble. I haven't unleashed a Super Bowl bubble yet.
I always have seven teams.
Speaker 7 (36:54):
That's it, they go.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
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Speaker 1 (37:13):
All right, I do it about every month, maybe I
do it four times during the NFL season, I say
my super Bowl bubble. There's always about six teams, seven
teams that I think can win the Super Bowl. It's roster, quarterback,
coaching momentum. And then there's another three or four that
I think can win multiple playoff games. But I don't
think they're a team that can really threaten to get
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to a conference championship. So let's unveil it right now,
Jay mackin, you can take your wax at the pinata here.
So the teams I think are in the Super Bowl bubble,
and I feel very strongly Rams, Chargers, Eagles, Bills, Packers,
and Seattle. I am high on Seattle's roster. We just
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heard from Greg Cosel who said on film they are
really good. I think Baltimore can win a couple of
playoff games. I don't trust their defense. I think Detroit
in the end do I worry that the quarterback is
a strictly pocket quarterback. They tend to be very good
at home, not as good in cold weather, not as
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good late in the season on the road. I think Tampa,
you gotta trust they're going to win their division. But
I think there's a little fools gold winning over bad
teams late. But I respect Baker and Todd Bowles. They
have a great front office in San Francisco. Believe it
or not. Winning with Mac Jones is impressive. Bosa's injury
will be a problem late in the season when they
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face elite quarterbacks again. Could they get to the playoffs
and win a playoff game? I love their coach. I
think when Kittle's healthy, Trent Williams McCaffrey absolutely can win
multiple playoff games. But I think no Bosa is an
issue late. Anything you see here Seattle now tonight for
the record, green Bay lost, so what they lost to Cleveland.
(39:04):
I think to trap game tonight for Seattle. It's a
stay away game. Arizona at home division rival short week.
They play everybody in that division tough. Your thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Okay, So for starters, one thing is not like the
other in that Super Bowl bubble. I'll just say the
quarterback names. You tell me which pops out of you,
Stafford Hurtz, Herbert Allen, Love, Darnold, anything mildly.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Different than the others.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
There, no hear.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I know BSS has a.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Number one, but I have a bunch of elite names.
That's all I heard.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Okay, So I just went to the Super Bowl Futures odds. Okay,
this is a prominent sports book. I don't know if
we use them, but whatever, Buffalo is number one, okay.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Number two is.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Baltimore, which you have. Number three is Philadelphia, Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
We're Seattle, oh fifteen, Colin fifteenth best Super Bowl odds
for Seattle plus six thousand.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
So I need you to go to the ATM right now,
post yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
And if puts your money where your mouth is, it
back Seattle and Darnold at plus six thousand. They're currently
behind the Vikings, the Colts and oh, by the way,
where's Bo Nixon Sean Payton in your bubble? The bubble
burst right now?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Right now? Denver's not there, by the way, I like
the Colts. I don't think Daniel Jones is winning two
playoff games. I like Denver. They're not playing well. They're
not getting the pass rush, they're making too many mistakes.
They're a bad first and second down offense. I can't
put them there right now, how about it?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
They lost her, But I don't like the team the
Washington Commanders.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I believe they were in the NFC title game and
have Jayden Daniels and they're nowhere to be.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Found again right now. Their quarterback is not healthy. So
I've said this. Seattle is a weird fumble from being
three and zero. Seattle's really good. They had the blowout
of the year. They hammered a Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh
dominated them physically in the second half. So I think
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by the way, Seattle's special teams are great. That's indisputable.
Their defense is great, that is indisputable. And now that
JSN is a number one receiver, their running game is great.
Our only question was do they have a number one
receiver
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watched PFF, I've disagreed through the years on PFF, but
I think by and large, Chris COLLINSWITHT Company's pretty accurate.
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So it's funny. Aaron Rodgers. Right now, the Vikings play
the Steelers in Dublin. We both like the Vikings in
this game. Carson Wentz, according to PFF, is kind of
middle of the pack grade. Aaron's the second lowest quoted quarterback,
below Spencer Ratler, who's never I don't think he's ever
won an NFL start. But it's funny. I watched Aaron,
I would have never guessed that he was that lowly
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grated he's made. You know, he still has the back
shoulder stuff. I thought he got a bad interception, he
got a bad break from a teammate that made a
mistake against Seattle that wasn't his fault. I have not
when I watched almost every snap this year, I would
never guess he's the second lowest credited quarterback. I would
think middle of the pack, and he's he's strictly a
(01:29):
pocket quarterback right now. But it's interesting and and i'm
I'm this is not a criticism, but I think Aaron
and Carson Wentz right now are fairly similar past their primes,
had some injuries, both more than capable arms. Wenz doesn't
move like he used to. He's a pocket guy. Aaron
doesn't move like he used to. He's a pocket guy.
But PFF has one guy at the bottom of the
(01:50):
wrong and the other guy. It's pretty interesting. Do you
buy it, PFF? Do you do you trust their numbers ranking? Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, I think for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
You know, any like.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Outside of sports, you take a little of info from PFF.
You take a little info from here. EPA success, right,
you put all of it together. You don't just look
at PFF and say, Aaron Rodgers stinks, but he's not
passing the eye test, Colin.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Let's be real.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know, he looked okay against that Jets team, but
they've proven to be like a kind of a mid
to bad defense so far, and Seattle kind of confounded him.
So I know, I haven't really seen it the eye test,
but PFF is confirming what I want.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What's interesting about this game is Aaron. There were rumors
that the Vikings Kevin O'Connell, the head coach, there were
rumors they were in on Aaron Rodgers that leaked out.
Aaron denied it. Aaron did clarify it yesterday when asked
about the team he's facing this weekend on the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I'll just reiterate that Kevin and I have been friends
since two thousand and eight. We used to work out
together at a place called Fitness Quest out in North County,
San Diego, So I've known him forever. We've been friends forever,
and we keep in touch with one of the guys
that keep in touch with Thanks never progressed, you know,
(03:08):
farther than catchup conversations. I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
All right, Just leave it at that. I don't know
what that means, but I'll leave it at that, and
we'll start it. Not leave it with Greg Cosel forty
six years NFL film. We got a lot of ground
to cover here, and I can't wait for today. So
last week, when I started to compliment Caleb Williams, I
heard this avalanche, this chorus of it was the Cowboys.
(03:37):
He hit open receivers. Dallas is a mess. Was there
anything you watched or that changed that you looked at
Caleb Williams and said, Okay, that's a step in the
right direction.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Well, calin the way I answer that is the litmus
test in a Ben Johnson passing game are throws between
the numbers at the end intermediate level. If you start
to see those kinds of throws with more consistency, that
will tell you that Caleb Williams is getting a better
understanding and figuring out how to run this offense. Because
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think back to Detroit with Jared Goff. Jared Goff under
Ben Johnson was probably the best between the numbers thrower
at the intermediate level in football, because that's the way
Ben Johnson structures many of us route concepts, and we
saw some of that last week. So for me, it
wasn't the nature of the opponent that just adds to
the numbers and makes the numbers look better. It's whether
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Williams is seeing it the right way for those difficult
window throws between the numbers. That's the best way to
look at his development and progress under Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So there was a discussion last week. It was a
topic on this show. I said, in the NFL, start
the quarterback that helps you win sunday. Don't worry about
where you drafted a guy who helps you win someday.
And I said in my and I said, as the
Vikings face the Steelers over in Dublin, I said, I
think Carson Wentz today is better than JJ McCarthy today.
(05:09):
I was always a Wentz fan. I thought he was reckless,
fallas too. I was a fan, big strong guy, little reckless,
had a little Sam Darnold amazing moment, a little reckless.
So what does he bring to the Vikings offense. I
think they're so well coached that I think Carson Wentz
It wouldn't shock me if you said in a month, oh,
(05:30):
they went in a five game winning streak, what did
you see?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Yeah, last week was a tough way to really evaluate
him because of the way the game played out. Obviously
it didn't turn it over. The issues that he's always
had are still there. He's a wide base thrower, so
what happens at times when there is pressure around him.
He tends to rush his throws and can become a
little scattershot. But he made a couple of great throws
(05:55):
last week. The thirty six yardert of Jefferson was a
short throw and a long run, but it was a
phenomenal windows throw into a really tight window. So he's
capable of those things. And I heard you speaking before.
He doesn't move like he used to, so he's essentially
a pocket player. So we'll see what happens in tighter
games where instead of being ahead and not having to
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throw very much. He only threw six balls in the
second half last week against Cincinnati. If he has to
throw thirty five forty times, we'll see, because sometimes what
that does is it makes some of his issues really
come to the forefront.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So one of the great mysteries to me in the
NFL is you got about thirteen twelve and a half,
thirteen minutes to make an adjustment. Guys go to the bathroom,
Guys grab something to drink. You don't have a ton
of time. You'll walk in, you walk out. The Philadelphia
Eagles trailed twenty seven to six and then one, and
we're a different offense entirely. What didn't they do early
(06:54):
and what did Jalen Hurts? I mean, obviously AJ Brown
was a focal point, but what are the film say
on their second half?
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Well, it's funny you say that because I've had coaches
tell me that the most important player on the Eagles
offense is AJ Brown. Because the reality is, if you
want to really buck up and stop the run, you
can do that with bodies and in fact Barkley this year.
Last year, first coct contact for Barkley was four yards
down the field, so he was getting to the second
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level clean. This year it's about two yards, so he's
not getting past the first level. Their old line's not
playing as well. But what they do really well and
have for a number of years, is throw outside the
numbers to AJ Brown. That's the strength of Jalen Hurts
as a thrower. Brown is a really tough cover outside
the numbers. He's so strong, he's so physical. That's how
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their offense got started with a thirty eight yard fade
route against the Rams in the third quarter, followed by
the touchdown to Goddard, which was the perfect play call
against the coverage that they got. But Brown, like I said,
there's a a lot of coaches who believe he's really
the key to that offense because you get so many
one on ones outside because of the run game, and
he's a really difficult cover.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, I love Justin Herbert out of college. I loved
him in Oregon. He's a great kid. He comes on
the show, so I've got some confirmation bias here. But
it does feel like he's leading the way in not
the run game. It does feel like they've rammed up right. Yeah,
like they're a bit more aggressive down the field. What
does the film say on Harbaughs offense in year two
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with Justin.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Well, I guess maybe they've locked Greg Roman in a
closet somewhere, because this is now a passing football team
through three weeks. I mean they are dropping back and
throwing the ball. And I think one thing that's important
if you're going to do that. And I always heard
Tom Brady talk this way, is if you're going to
have your quarterback drop back that many times, then he's
got to be more than willing and feel very comfortable
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taking six yard throws if those are the throws that
are there.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Brady would talk about that a lot.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
If it's first and ten and they're gonna give me
a six yard throw, I'm gonna take it every time.
And I think Herbert's got that nice balance right now,
colin between understanding that there's nothing wrong in a normal
down and distant situation with taking the shorter throw, staying
ahead of the sticks, and we know he's got a
big arm and can make big times throws and movement
throws obviously when necessary, as we're seeing right here this
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I assumes the touchdown al and yes it is, and
you can he certainly can do that.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
But through three games they are a passing offense.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So we watched the Ravens kind of shockingly get pushed
around for three and a half hours those by the Lions,
and I said, listen, if you're trying to get through
Buffalo and Herbert, I don't know if that defense is
good enough you may be a team that needs to
make a move on the trade deadline now. Kyle Hamilton, Hamilton,
rokwand Smith. They've got some good players. They spend their
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money on defense. But when you're was it a bad
matchup with a dominating O line of Detroit? Was bad matchup?
Or when you look at the film on Baltimore do
they just have some realities with personnel?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, in this given game, Matta Bouquet was out and
I believe he'll be out again. Kyle van Noy, who's
a really good player, he was out. Surprisingly, Jones, the
d tackle who's a really good player, got moved off
the ball a lot. And keep in mind the two
guards for Detroit. One's a second year player Mahogany. The
other is Tate Radledge, a rookie from Georgia. So they
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moved those guys throughout the game. But it's funny. I'm
watching the first on tape. I'm talking about the watch
first quarter and a half, and I'm thinking, where's this
big run game? Because they actually stopped him for a
quarter and a half and then everything changed. But they
are giving up the most points in the NFL right now,
and they are really struggling with the run game, and
sometimes you're good players Colin have bad games. Rokwan Smith
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did not have a good game, but you're not expecting
that to be the case every game.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
He's a really good player. He just did not have
a very good game.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, so we've been joking. Jay McK and I have
been joking this league. Darnold Baker, Gino mac Jones. You
give up on him, People give up on them. Then
you look up with a new staff and a new
offensive coach and you're like, wow, Sure, I have been
arguing for a year and a half. I like the
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Colts roster. I think Warren now Taylor, Pittman, Pierson. I
like their and I think their offensive line is good.
I thought it really I kept saying with Anthony Richardson,
just get somebody that can complete the layups. They've got
really good players, So I'm My theory is this is
not a mirage. Coaching obviously matters, but like the Colts,
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the Colts are this is a pretty good roster. It's
not the Eagles, but it's pretty good or is it
just amazing coaching by Shane Stallin.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Well, there's a combination, But think of it this way,
how many quarterbacks are Josh Allen, Patrick, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson.
There's very few of those guys. There's not fifty of
those guys out there. So what are most quarterbacks?
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Colin?
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Most quarterbacks are ball distributors and executors of an offense.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
That's what you're asking your quarterback to do. That's what
you're coaching him to do.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
And right now, with the talent they have, they have
a very good old line, they have four receivers, they've
got multiple tight ends, including Tyler Warren who's a very
good player.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
So what is Jones doing exceptionally.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Well, He's distributing the football, he's making the right decision,
he's making good location throws, he moves when necessary, He's
executing the offense.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
That's what you want your quarterback to do.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Now, you and I both know we have no idea
what's going to happen Sunday, next week, three months from now.
But all we have is what we have right now,
and at this moment in time, he is very efficiently
executing a well schemed, well designed offense with a lot
of talent.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, so my saw story this week is CJ. Stroud
playing himself out of an extension. So I usually look
at quarterbacks and I say, do they have a defined
elite trait? I think he throws an elite accurate ball
when he's given reasonable time. But they can't run protection.
Second year in a row is bad. It's a defensive
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head coach. I worry about the O line regression. I
still think he's a big, accurate distributor.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Of the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I don't think there's much around him offensively. But what
does the film say with this great rookie who doesn't
look the same in the last year and a half.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
No, well, it's funny you say that because it's rookie
season and it started early. I saw, maybe in the
second game in the season, just the precise timing and
anticipation that he threw with. And he really hasn't looked
that way. Last year he didn't, and this year up
to this time, he has not. I think he's not
a truly comfortable player. The old line is certainly an issue.
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But again it becomes a difficult balancing at Colin because
you can't walk into the locker room and say, guys,
you know I'm not playing well because my own line
is not very good.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
You can't say that.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
So you got to figure out how to function if
within a squeezed and muddied pocket, And I think that's
something he's still figuring out.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Now.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Are there some plays where the old line just gives
him no time and he doesn't have a chance. Yes,
but at some point you've got to be able to
function otherwise you're not going to have a passing game.
And right now their passing game is very inconsistent, very
up and down, and he just doesn't look like the
same confident thrower that's seeing throws window throws as viable
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throws the way he did his rookie season.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, sometimes it's upstairs. You lose confidence, you know, you
lose trust. You said that last year with Mahomes, you
could tell he didn't trust his offensive line, and then
the Super Bowl you shouldn't have trusted it.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
Yeah, but at some point you got to play. I mean,
you still got to play, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So I went back and watched the Packers Browns game
a second time, and I guess my takeaway is Cleveland's
defense is really good and I do really good, really good,
And I think the Packers are young, young teams kind
of get into their fields. They were playing real well.
Everybody said they're the best team in the league. They
came out without a lot of jewice early. They probably
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should have won ten to nothing. One bad pick by
Jordan Love. I think it's a one off, and I
think Cleveland's got really good defensive personnel. What did Cleveland
do that Jordan Love couldn't figure out? Because it's not
like the Packers don't have excellent young offensive personnel either.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
No, but I think everything with the Browns starts with
their D line. They play.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
They have a five man rotation at d end. Of course,
Garrett plays more snaps than anybody else, but they have
a five man rotation. They're really good inside. This was
the best game this past week that Mason Graham has
played in his first three games in his NFL career.
Malik Collins is one of those guys that is seemingly
on a different team every year, but is a really
good player. So They've got a lot of Jews and
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a lot of talent up front, and they play a
lot of man coverage and they're very.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Good on the back end.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I mean, Denzel Ward is one of the best, probably
overlooked corners in the league. And I had a former
coordinator in the league tell me that the two toughest
coordinators that he's ever played against are Vic Fangio and
Jim Schwartz. So Jim Schwartz does just enough in terms
of rotation and showing you different pictures on the back
end at key moments that he confuses quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
And you know in this league, when I say confused, all.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
It takes is is half a beat, and that's long
enough for it to be a problem for a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, okay, now a topic I'm gonna like. It took
a while for me to win this debate, but I'm
a Sam Darnold fan. I always felt that he was too.
He always were yeah, tough, athletic, well liked, incredibly coachable,
But I did think he was a reckless player and
he had to play with instructure. If you gave him structure,
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roun twenty six to twenty eight times with a decent
run game. If you ask him to throw on third
and twelve, it can be trouble. Third and four. He
can be very very good because he's a playmaker and
he's got a nice arm. So what are you seeing
That's clicking in Seattle with Sam Darnold.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Well, you're starting to see the same thing we saw
last year in Minnesota. You're starting to see the Clint
Kubiak offense. And he basically comes from the same coaching
tree to some extent as Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
So now you're seeing more under center, more.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Play action, play action boot things that make Donald feel
very comfortable, that help define the reads, make them cleaner,
so he knows where to go with the ball, so
he's not dropping back and you're asking him to read
everything in front of him, which quite frankly, is not
the strength of his game when he can see it
cleanly and it's defined.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
As you said, he is very, very talented.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
And if we can go to our big play, because
this play last week against the Saints in the red
zone is very very representative of a Clint Kubiak offense
and how Donald.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Is very efficient within it.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
And this is play action boot left and this was
such a beautifully designed play.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
And Donald can make these throws. He can make any throw.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
So right now you're going to see Donald and again
notice that he's under center, so you're going to see
Walker's in the backfield and they're gonna have three wide
receivers on the field, and what they're going to do
here and more and more teams do this, but it's
really important to Seattle's offense is motion by Horton the
rookie wide receiver across the formation. So now what you're
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going to see is inside run action, and I want
you to focus on the safety Justin Reid, a really
good player. By the way, there's Walker in the backfield.
There's the safety Justin Reid. Because this is a critical
piece of this play because what's going to happen is
when you do run action and you throw at Colin,
very often you're putting one defender and conflict.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
That's all. It takes.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Very often one defender. Watch Reid's initial reaction. It's going
to be inside and he's going to step up. That's
the critical defender on this play. You're putting him in conflict.
That's a big philosophy of Kyle Shanahan as well. So
now what you're going to see after they do that
is we're going to go back to the snap and
we're going to look at the route concept. You're going
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to see Cup run the corner route, the tight end's
going to work into the flat and JSN, who's having
a phenomenal season by the way, he's going to run
the crosser that ties in with the boot action by
Sam Darnold. So now as we play this, you'll see
all the routes work and you can see how they
match up to it. The corner is going to match Cup,
that defender is going to match bonner into the flat.
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And remember Reid, he's the one who has to play
JSN on the crosser. But look how he gets sucked
up by the run action and then he goes, oh,
you know what, and he realizes that he's got to
hunt up JSN and he can't do it.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
So you can really see it clearly from this angle.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
This is beautiful play design down in the high red
zone and Donald certainly can make throws rolling to his left,
and this is just the design and the execution beating
the defense.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
And Donald's in a really good situation.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
And by the way, they have a very good defense
that's only going to get better in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, we just we were talking today about the athletic
They surveyed twenty nine execs, gms and coaches on the
best front offices, and it might as well have been
my third hierarchy, my top ten teams. And it's like,
there's right. People think the gap in this league is
quarterbacks and coaches. But Seattle john Snyder, when you watch
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them play. They may not have the eagle roster, but Greg,
Seattle is fast.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
They don't and they've got Yeah, and the defensively, Kylin,
I'm telling you you look at that roster. Defensively, they've
got a very good roster.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Great, Greg Cosel as always NFL films forty six years.
Great talking to you on a Thursday, Greg.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Thanks, Colin, always appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, it's so much of this league is upstairs. But
you know, I mean you don't know. Some guys take
a while to develop and draft. And everybody was worried
about JSN Is he going to be? Is he going
to be a number one receiver for Seattle? And it's like,
I just trust John Snyder. He looks like a number one.
Then they went and get this kid from Holt from
Colorado State in the fifth round and it's like, what
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is it Horton?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
My bad?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
It looks like he's a number two. Like now it's early, whatever,
But Seattle's done a really good job to get third, fourth, fifth,
sixth round. Guys who can play. They got a running
back from Miami in the seventh round. He hadn't played
a ton yet, but I watched him in College Martinez
and it was like he averaged four and a half
yard every time I watched Miami. He was a good player.
It's like, how is he available in the seventh round?
So you know what, the guys upstairs have a huge
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influence in this league.
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Speaker 1 (23:03):
Buckeye started as a ten point favorite. It's come down.
There are some moneyline Husky betters. I'm not one of them,
but Jed Fish, coach of Washington, has got himself remember
Ohio State. He's got a very young quarterback. It is
a one of the loudest stadiums, and the three loudest
stadiums I've ever been in are Gainesville, Florida, Otson and
Husky Stadium. It is loud and Washington can score, so
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that's a tough lift for Ohio State. I'll take the
Buckeyes by about a touchdown. Oregon goes to Penn State.
I like Oregon in that spot. I Oregon wins these
big games, and I frankly I think Dante more It
could be the most underratted player in the country. The
Oregon quarterback is a stud. Also, I like USC now.
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Illinois is a heavy blitz man de a man defense,
but they're banged up in the secondary. That game I
think will be close early because it's an early start
time for USC. It's a weird early start time where
it starts at eleven, which is nine am Los Angeles time.
So I think USC is gonna look ugly in the
first half and really struggle and pull away. But it
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is a great weekend. I'll take USC by about ten.
Ohio State by a touchdown. I think old missus overrated.
LSU wins on the road. I'll take A and M close.
Indiana close, Oregon close. One of us likes Bama.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
It's not me.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I'm gonna take Georgia. This is what they're prone to do.
Win at home by a touchdown or more.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It is a late man. I can just you hyping
up these guys. The hyperbole.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I mean, it's not even October and you're talking about
like DoD T Moore and then the Washington quarterback, Like,
I love the hype. And one of the guys just
sent me a video of Penn State the white out.
How do you leave Beaver Stadium off your list of
loudest area? Have you?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Just? Well, I've only been there one time. Again, Auson's
not big, but it's built into the ground. Watson's insanely loud.
It used to be louder before it got a little
upscale and bougie. The crowd used to be a little
roudier and more lubricated. But it's still incredibly loud. Husky
Stadium is it shakes. Husky Stadium, It like one side
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of the stadium shakes. It's wild.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
The Gainesville listen, I've been, you know, I almost went
to college here. I got accepted.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Kenville is about that loud. No, it's about the structure.
It's built straight up, so it's hard that the the
like Michigan's huge, but the noise escapes Gainesville. It's built
straight up and so the noise reverberates back and forth.
So I'm just telling you I've been on sidelines at
most of the big stadiums.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
And it's in obviously listen that tall rouge where LU
like it registered as an earthquake.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You know, by the way subplot for LSU.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
O Miss, the star linebacker for LSU is now dating
Lane Kiffin's daughter and posted it on Instagram and the
SEC is like going crazy thinking Lane Kiffin's trying to
play mind games. Listen, man, Yeah, he's using his daughter
to play mine games with Brian Kelly.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Listen, this is a great weekend for football.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Oh it's Saturday is going to be absolutely bonkers. Here's
j Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
On the news.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Right, let's bust right into it. Jaden Daniels is he
going to play or not? Colin dan quinn is listing
him as day to day. However, Jaden Daniels talked to
reporters yesterday and said whether he plays or not will
be up to the doctors. Now that that is interesting wording.
He said he wants to play, but it's up to
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the doctors. To me is probably why the line you
see it come down it was three, it's.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Not one and a half.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I think that's saying, hey, this is gonna be another
Mariota game.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And just for the record, Atlanta is at home. They
do have good edg rushers.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Gross. I will say this, the question about Jaden Daniels
coming out of college was durability. He got dinged up
last year, He's dinged up this year. It's like Rock Purty.
It's not the end of the world, but it should
be noted. You know, these players that get dinged up early,
like Joe Burrow and Brock Purty get dinged up often.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You're not calling him Glass Joe Burrow, No, no.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean, I'm just saying this was the primary concern.
It's like Caleb Williams when he came to the Bears.
The primary was concern was he does hero ball, he
doesn't play well with instructure, and then you see, oh wait,
he doesn't necessarily play well in structure. I'm always worried
in the NFL when my number one concern with you
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is realized your first couple of years in the league.
For instance, it was t Bow. I never was a
te Bow guy, but it was like people said, he's
got a slow, slow delivery, and you saw very early
It's like, yeah, it takes a while. To get cranked up.
So I would just say when you see a problem
in college, Anthony Richardson had accuracy issues in college, You're like,
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he hadn't played the position a lot, he didn't never
feel for it. He misses easy stuff. Well, his first
fifteen stars or twelve stars, you're like, oh, he can't
hit the easy stuff. That's a problem. So Jden's amazing.
But now this is the second time he's been banged up.
He's played a year in the league.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
So we talk a lot about team building, right, and
you know the Mexican soccer team we have you need
a number ten, which is like a messy Diego Maradona,
and we had one last year on our team and
then we sold him. Without him, we're struggling. Well, you
know what in the NFL column, it is the offensive line.
If you do not protect your investment, he's going to
get dinged up. Now, Washington did that right with Laramie Tunsseels.
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They went out and got him and he's still banged up.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
This is not great.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I forgot that he was injured last year. You're right,
you brought that up. So that's now two seasons.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
You know, again. I don't want to go back to
Tom Brady, but like he was helping for like fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
In a row, it's time Manning and Brett Paarr again.
Aaron Rodgers has taking shot. He's been hurt once in
his career. It just it is Joe Burrow keeps getting hurt. Well,
you know it's this left tackle for the Giants. Andrew
Thomas a tremendous player. Dude, he is hurt every single year.
So you do get to a point where you can
love a player, but this whole league is are you
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available Sunday? Eli Manning was always available Sunday.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
The last thing.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Rahie Morris is shutting down reports of a quarterback controversy.
Mike Pennix is our guy. No not playing Kirk Cousins
sor right. Next up is the forty nine Ers. Obviously
lost Nick Bosa, but listen, man Fred Warner, they still
have him the middle linebacker Colin.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
If we had a draft of like non.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Ed rushers for defensive players, I would probably go Fred
Warner number one. The guy's incredible. You watch him, He's
a machine. Here he is talking about the impact of
Nick Bosa.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
I'm sick. I'm so sick for him, you know, because
you know he knows what that's like to go through
that process right of a recovery from that injury, which
I know is fully capable of, but then doesn't make
it any easier.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Obviously, it's a huge blow to our team, but we
move forward.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
I hate to say next man in mentality, because you
can't just replace him with one player. But you know,
the mission is still the same. Or we're gonna find
a way to make make a to get one win
this week and we'll figure out.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
The rest later.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Hall of Famer Fred Warner so good.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
Oh, he's so good.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
He's one of the kim He is one of you.
If you watch a football player, you can tell how
smart they are by their instincts.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Instincts.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I don't know. Fred Warner unbelievable instincts he has got.
He has an ability to sniff a playout he gets
It's like a center fielder who gets a good jump
on the ball. He gets a jump on play and
you see a lot of guys they're mostly like you know,
seaball go attack it, and then there's guys that are
ahead of the play. Fred Warner is an unbelievable talent.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Quick note, no practice yesterday for Ricky Pearsall. We know
Jenny's didn't go last week. Listen, man, if you don't
have Kiddings pearsall, sorry, Kittle, Pierce and Jennings it that's
bad news. So we got to wait, and we don't
know if it's going to be pretty or mac Jones.
I want to fire on the Niners, but I'm holding off.
Final story Colling College Football, Oh Boy, Oregon number six
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in the country, heads to Happy Valley to take on
Penn State and James Franklin. Penn State obviously has a
huge home field advantage, and Dan Lanning talked about the
Ducks handling that rock US atmosphere.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
That's part of what.
Speaker 10 (31:25):
Mixed college football fun is. It's a real one to
get to go play in. Like, we've got a great
atmosphere here. It's been an asset for us. I'm sure
they're counting on it being an asset for them. But again,
play the game, not the occasion.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Just how much we'd be playing Mobomba this week in
preparation for.
Speaker 10 (31:41):
What it'll play. It'll play a couple of times. We'll
be you know, do everything we can to be prepared
for that environment for sure. I love here and I
don't love that song.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So mob There's a classic moment you can look it
up on YouTube of where Penn State was playing Michigan
and they blast this song Mobamba on the opening snap
of the game. Michigan was penalized because they couldn't even
couldn't get to play in first play of the game Colin,
So it is a little crazy. Saturday Night is going
to be fire.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's a bummer. You're not out here, man, we could
hang together. I got a haul passed from the wife.
Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I uh, I'm going to be uh broadcasting Saturday USC
the most underrated team in college football, USC, which is
going to go to let's see Purdue. Michigan's going to
go a potentially five and oh touchdown favorite. I do
think Illinois o line struggles and the no you know
(32:39):
who Aliga country in sacks.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, James struggling.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Look at those numbers, Colin top ten opponents, James Franklin,
what is that about, By the way, how do you
go four?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
And what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Like?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Try to put that into context of the audience. Well,
because I've tried it it's tough.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay. So first of all, a lot of those games
are against Jim Harbaugh's Wolverines in Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
You got five stars. What's a big deal?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Come on, those are hard teams to beat. I mean,
Ohio State couldn't beat Jim Harbaugh at the end at
Penn State's not going to gee.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
But this is a twenty four game sample size. Man,
This isn't like four straight through Michigan. You know, well,
they've lost a lot of close ones. They've lost often
to the best team in the country. They've lost to
Ohio State, They've lost to Michigan with hardball. I don't
you know again, you gotta be careful about I'm not
killing him. I'm just saying these are numbers that are undeniable.
(33:30):
You can't just that's no big deal. There is some
criticism of Franklin and late game strategies. I mean, again,
I'm not crushing the guy, but this is a big spot.
And I'm not saying you run him out of town,
but like, eventually, you got to win the big games.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Don't you. First of all, you run him out of town.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I'm not saying they would, but I would give him
to your stuff happen.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I would give him a lifetime contract today. I would
give him a lifetime contract there.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I'll never forget Schottenheimer with the Chargers. They go like,
I think it was like fourteen and two. Yeah, beat him,
and the are they losing the first round of the plass?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I think just ran him out of town. They're like,
you're not winning the big game.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
It happens, man, SEC people freak out, and the Big
Ten there's big money, it's safe.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So there's about eight coaches in college football that they're
just gonna win games. Some of them are better on schemes,
some are better recruiters. I mean Dabo wins a bunch
of games. Kirby Smart's gonna win a bunch of games.
I mean Dan Lanning at Oregon is gonna win a
bunch of games.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
You know how irrational these boosters are? Okay, you know
these crazy rich guys do lating all this money and
he killed. It's not about like whether or.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Not he's a good coach. We know he's good.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
It's the boosters in college football are crazy and they're
the ones funding the nil money. And if they're like, listen,
I want a new coach, it gets a little. It's
like a board overthrowing the CEO.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Right fourteen, I was right fourteen. I think James Franklin's great.
He is. Fourteen of the twenty losses for James Franklin
came to Jim Harbaugh, Ryan Day, and Urban Meyer. Well, okay,
that's like Ohio State Buckeye fan for years was banging
on Ryan Day, and I'm like, hey, he's losing to
Georgia and Jim Harball. Give me a break. Dryan Day
(35:11):
was crushing everybody except Jim Harball, whose last two years
had a stacked froster were fifteen NFL guys. Yeah, James
Franklin's losing Urban Meyer is arguably after saving the best
college coach ever. Jim Harbaugh, I think is the best
football coach in the world. And Ryan Day is outstanding,
and Buckeye fans are weird because he couldn't beat two
(35:32):
programs in the country. So he's losing to all the
great and I mean again, Ohio Penn State's a top
six program right now in America, undeniable under James Franklin. Yeah,
j Mack with a new Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
That's the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, I mean, I mean listen if I mean, they
had some bumps in between, but you go Joe Paterno
and eventually James Franklin. You know programs.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It's like people complaining about Sark at Texas. You've had
Mac Brown and now Sark with both you win a
bunch of games. You know, what are we talking about here?
It's like people if you get like in Philadelphia, I mean,
they got rid of Andy Reid, and I wouldn't have
done that, but the argument was, hey, it had been time,
(36:21):
and I get that. And now Philadelphia has done well,
but they moved through some different coaches. The Chip thing
and the Doug Peterson thing and now the Sirianni thing
was a little bumpy and now it's not. But it's
you know, in college, there's just a handful of guys
that are gonna win double digit games every year. They're
big time recruiters, They build good staffs, give them lifetime contracts.
(36:43):
The idea that I'm gonna get rid of Dabbo Swinny,
what are you talking about? You know, I got that
Super Bowl bubble. I haven't unleashed a Super Bowl bubble yet.
I always have seven teams.
Speaker 7 (36:54):
That's it, they go.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I'll unveil my first Super Bowl Bubble heading in the
week four.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
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Speaker 4 (37:07):
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Speaker 1 (37:13):
All right, I do it about every month, maybe I
do it four times during the NFL season, I say
my super Bowl bubble. There's always about six teams, seven
teams that I think can win the Super Bowl. It's roster, quarterback,
coaching momentum. And then there's another three or four that
I think can win multiple playoff games. But I don't
think they're a team that can really threaten to get
(37:36):
to a conference championship. So let's unveil it right now,
Jay mackin, you can take your wax at the pinata here.
So the teams I think are in the Super Bowl bubble,
and I feel very strongly Rams, Chargers, Eagles, Bills, Packers,
and Seattle. I am high on Seattle's roster. We just
(37:57):
heard from Greg Cosel who said on film they are
really good. I think Baltimore can win a couple of
playoff games. I don't trust their defense. I think Detroit
in the end do I worry that the quarterback is
a strictly pocket quarterback. They tend to be very good
at home, not as good in cold weather, not as
(38:19):
good late in the season on the road. I think Tampa,
you gotta trust they're going to win their division. But
I think there's a little fools gold winning over bad
teams late. But I respect Baker and Todd Bowles. They
have a great front office in San Francisco. Believe it
or not. Winning with Mac Jones is impressive. Bosa's injury
will be a problem late in the season when they
(38:41):
face elite quarterbacks again. Could they get to the playoffs
and win a playoff game? I love their coach. I
think when Kittle's healthy, Trent Williams McCaffrey absolutely can win
multiple playoff games. But I think no Bosa is an
issue late. Anything you see here Seattle now tonight for
the record, green Bay lost, so what they lost to Cleveland.
(39:04):
I think to trap game tonight for Seattle. It's a
stay away game. Arizona at home division rival short week.
They play everybody in that division tough. Your thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Okay, So for starters, one thing is not like the
other in that Super Bowl bubble. I'll just say the
quarterback names. You tell me which pops out of you,
Stafford Hurtz, Herbert Allen, Love, Darnold, anything mildly.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Different than the others.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
There, no hear.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I know BSS has a.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Number one, but I have a bunch of elite names.
That's all I heard.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Okay, So I just went to the Super Bowl Futures odds. Okay,
this is a prominent sports book. I don't know if
we use them, but whatever, Buffalo is number one, okay.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Number two is.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Baltimore, which you have. Number three is Philadelphia, Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
We're Seattle, oh fifteen, Colin fifteenth best Super Bowl odds
for Seattle plus six thousand.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
So I need you to go to the ATM right now,
post yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
And if puts your money where your mouth is, it
back Seattle and Darnold at plus six thousand. They're currently
behind the Vikings, the Colts and oh, by the way,
where's Bo Nixon Sean Payton in your bubble? The bubble
burst right now?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Right now? Denver's not there, by the way, I like
the Colts. I don't think Daniel Jones is winning two
playoff games. I like Denver. They're not playing well. They're
not getting the pass rush, they're making too many mistakes.
They're a bad first and second down offense. I can't
put them there right now, how about it?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
They lost her, But I don't like the team the
Washington Commanders.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I believe they were in the NFC title game and
have Jayden Daniels and they're nowhere to be.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Found again right now. Their quarterback is not healthy. So
I've said this. Seattle is a weird fumble from being
three and zero. Seattle's really good. They had the blowout
of the year. They hammered a Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh
dominated them physically in the second half. So I think
(41:02):
by the way, Seattle's special teams are great. That's indisputable.
Their defense is great, that is indisputable. And now that
JSN is a number one receiver, their running game is great.
Our only question was do they have a number one
receiver
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