September 26, 2025 • 33 mins
Colin tries to diagnose the problem right now in Kansas City as the Chiefs are looking at a1-3 start and facing the Ravens this weekend. Former head coach and Big Noon Kickoff panelist Urban Meyer discusses Penn State vs Oregon and whether Ohio State is on upset alert. What is happening behind the scenes with CJ Stroud and the Texans? Colin and Jason set Tommorow’s Headlines Today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
You know a lot of times, especially in pro football,
because you've got a billionaire owner and a coach making
between nine and a half and fourteen and a half million,
and you've got a quarterback making three hundred million. There's
you know there, we all know who's got the power
in the NFL. It's the owner, it's the star coach,
and it's the star quarterback. GMS Howie Roseman is a
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total exception. Even John Snyder almost threatened to leave Seattle
as one of the top personnel guys unless he got
more power, and then Pete got pushed out. So in
the end, NFL we know who has the power in
the league. Like in college football, the coach has it.
Always the coach has it, or the big donor has it.
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But in the football, you know, there's an old business
saying a problem well defined, is a problem half solved.
The bigger issue in the NFL isn't who has the power.
I mean, we know where the Chargers, it's the owner,
the Spanos family, Jim Harbaugh and Herbert. Herbert just doesn't
use it. But in the NFL a lot of times
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it's not who has the power, it's what's the problem.
You have a problem when people can't agree on what
the problem is. You know, the coach didn't he wasn't
hired by the GM. Like in Chicago right now, everybody
thinks the problems. Caleb Williams, I would argue the problem
with the Bears is the ownership and the executive suite.
I think the quarterback's really talented, and I think the
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coach is really smart. You know, you can't get agreement.
Howie Roseman has so much control in Philadelphia, he will
decide what the problems are and he will address them.
I think with Kansas City, we know everybody can agree
what the problem is because Brett Veach is a good
GM and Andy Reid's a brilliant coach, and Mahomes is
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one of the greatest ever. We just know it's a
personnel issue. On offense, they've missed on a couple receivers.
Travis Kelsey's old and expensive. Mahomes is expensive and receivers
a hard position to draft. Even when they got it
right with Rashid Rice, he does something that's not very
smart and now he's suspended for six games. And then
you get Worthy and he's really good, but he's small,
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runs into Kelsey and he gets hurt. So a lot
of Kansas City's issues are we know who has the power,
and we know it's not scheme. I think you have
to just everybody in the room has to go. Our
problem is here, we don't have good enough players. Dave
Wantstat has a belief on how to correct it, but
again I don't know if they have the personnel to
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correct what Dave wants. Instead. Who was our guest earlier
has as a solution.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That Eagle Super Bowl when they were behind by ten
at halftime and Mahomes was limping, and they came out
the second half, and what did they do? They ran
the ball with Pacheco, remember, and that's how they won
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
They ran the football.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I thought that that would Andy Reid would get back
to that more. What's the easiest thing to do to
help your quarterback run the ball, and they just haven't
really made a big, in my mind, a big commitment
to running the football.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And my question is, well they let Joe Toney go
they couldn't afford Joe Toney. Well, Joe Toney has made
the Bears better up front and had his loss is significant.
So I mean for the record, when I mean, you
could probably go look this up. When Tooney left the Patriots,
their own line wasn't as good, and Toney left the
Chiefs and their own lines not as good. And the
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Bears O line this year is better than last year.
When you have one of the you know, one of
the two or three best interior blockers in Joe Tooney,
a tough guy, a smart guy, a leader. I don't
think they can run the ball. I think Kansas City
this weekend, if you gave me three points, I would
take the Chiefs at home at two and a half.
Stay away. But I mean, right now, the Kansas City
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Chiefs leading rusher is Mahomes, and that's the problem. They
don't want that to be the case because Mahomes more
than once in his career, has got banged up and
he's living around he's not one hundred percent. I mean
Jalen Hurts had that for about a year before Saquon Barkley.
You remember that before Sakuon Barkley, Jalen Hurts felt like
he was planning about eighty percent for two years. And
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then they get Saquon Barkley. And now Jalen Hurts feels
like he's been healthy for a good year and a
half two years. So they don't want Mahomes to be
the leading rusher. I think I just don't. I don't
think it's sustainable to have your quarterback as a leading rusher.
I don't think they want it, but I think it's
And this is not a knock on the GM. You
pay the quarterback, you and and and they've also you
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got to pay Chris jian owns Kelsey gets paid. Mahomes
gets paid. They didn't want to let go of Joe Tooney.
That was not what they wanted to do. Watch their games.
There's no jews. You watched Seattle last night. You see jews.
I mean even Arizona. I see players. I just don't
see the leadership. So that's where we are. You know,
Jamch I haven't ask you your NFL picture at the
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end of the show. I generally take the home team
in college football, and they're two good teams. I think
the interesting one to me is Ohio State and Washington.
So Washington is unranked, they should be ranked, but they're unranked.
Ohio State's number one at Husky Stadium's an advantage. What's
sneaky about that game is Julian saying the quarterback for
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Ohio State is young. He has never played on the
road in this environment. He played Texas, but he was
at home. He's a very good, great high school player.
It's just hard to see an unranked team beat the
number one team in the country. And Ohio State's got
the recruiting in the nil rolling.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Do you yeah? Let me ask you, Colin. That Ohio
State win over Texas at the moment initially looked great.
What about in hindsight, Texas has been middling against directional
state universities the last like three weeks. Do we know
if Texas is that good? Well, again, I'm not bashing
Ohio State at all. I'm just starting to question that
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Texas went in the same way LSU Clemson. Like that
LSU win looked great. Now it's like Clemson ain't great,
what's the big deal?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
No? I mean, Ohio State running back room was much
better last year. They were much more explosive out of
the backfield last year. There's no question. I think Ohio
State was a much better team last year. I also
think a lot of the complementary offensive players get drafted,
like Ibukauka and now Smith, the superstar wide receiver. Teams
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are much more capable of doubling him and bracketing him.
You couldn't last year. You had him on one side,
the freshman you have a book. On the other side,
you just they're just and they had an unbelieve backfield.
So you couldn't cheat. I mean last year when you
played Ohio State, you could not cheat. Like it was
just first rounder on that side, first rounder on the
other side. Two elite running backs, experienced quarterback. O line
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got banged up, but it was good. So it was
a hard team to face even if you had Tennessee athletes,
if you had Texas athletes, Ohio State was hard to
face last year. You couldn't cheat. They're not as dynamic
in the backfield. Ibuka is a big loss. He would
be for any program, So they're talented, but they don't
feel as dynamic. And now they send a very young
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and experienced quarterback in one of the loudest venues against
the Washington team that's going to drop twenty eight points
on everybody in the country. So that is a to me,
that is a fascinating game. I just historically, I am
going to take a number one team over an unranked team.
But Washington's about as good as you can be to
be unranked in college football. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
By the way, is it going to rain, because I
know all it does in the Northwest is reign. Is
it going to reign at that tall side?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
He's slow down?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Hey, by the way, we went to Seattle last summer.
It's amazing. I love that city.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Urban Meyer big noon kickoff. He's at the USC Illinois
game tomorrow and he is joining us now live. Okay,
So let's just ask you. I anytime you go into
a game with a young quarterback into a hostile environment,
a coaching staff generally thinks, all right, let's get him
some early, easy completions. Let's not put him in weird environments.
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But that kind of plays into Washington's hand because Washington's
gonna come into this thing with big swings. They've got
an NFL elite receiver, an unbelievable quarterback, a star running back.
So I would at Washington, they're gonna their take is
going to be so we're not beating these guys without
taking big swings. Ohio State may do the opposite and
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let's bring it in, let's slow it down, and that
could get the crowd riled up. I mean, do you
are you worried for Ohio State in the spot?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I'm worried about the early part of the game. And
I would always tell teams going into that the mindset
is that as a prize fight, you're going to take
some brutal shots early in the game just because the crowd,
and you have to understand the hot spots. The hotspots
are third downs, the hot spots are red zone and
then punt and field go. That's when the stadium becomes electric.
But the best thing to slow down the stadium and
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calm down the stadium is to sustained drive. So I
always tell our players, and I said this early in
the Texas game for arch Manning as well, get two
first downs. That's your job as a quarterback. That way,
you automatically flip the field and you can slow everything
down a little bit, but they'd make a mistake that
just come out guns blazing in this game. In my opinion,
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let this let the game slow down a little bit.
How do you do that sustained drives? And I don't
think defense Washington's defense is that great, so I think
they can do come out of the game a nice
ten play drive. Crowd goes away in the second quarter.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I think people Buka is such a great player now
he's in the NFL. Last year, you had two elite receivers,
two elite backs. I think your quarterback had more experience.
Ohio State doesn't quite look like it quite has the
offensive juice. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I think there's still coming along Carnell tait I said,
And that's the number two receiver for Ohio State. That's
the biggest question mark because he's got all the skill
set you need to be a high draft pick and
to take some pressure off Jeremi Smith. But Jeremi Smith
had the perfect scenario. Last year. He had a mecha.
On the other side, he had two great running backs.
Those are all gone. So it still remains to be
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seeing because Texas, like I heard you say earlier, how
good is Texas in the last three games to me
were just warm up games.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
We're going to find out here in Seattle. All right,
let's talk to USC and Illinois. You know, you and
I talked years ago about this. USC got small and
then the nil came and I think joining the big ten.
Lincoln Riley looked at his roster and said, Okay, Michigan Pentate,
we have to go buy size. And I got to
tell you Urban their defensive front for the first time
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since Pete Carroll. They got five or six guys that
are big. Now a couple of them are freshmen. But
do they look different to you, at least just physically
look different.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Wellin two seconds after turning on the film, I actually
called their line coach, Zach Hanson.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Zach Hanson, I believe his name.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Is Yeah, and he's terrific, and he said that. He
said they had a staff meeting and the focus of
recruiting went from obviously great skill, that you still need that,
but they realized against Penn State, Ohio State, the Wolverines, etc.
You're going to get punched in the face. You better
get big. This is the biggest and most NFL draft
picks in the offensive line that they've had probably since
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of Pete Carrora, like you just said, on the defensive side.
So completely different looking team. And I want to add this.
I was talking to Matt Liiner about this. A physical
offense line changes your program. How practice is different, the
weight room's different, the way you approach the games different.
If you're a finesse team, your program becomes finesse and
obviously they get you only so far.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
For the record, you know, people look at Lincoln Riley
and think he loves to pass. But if you go
back to Oklahoma, uh, he ran the ball all the time.
I think when I've I've watched every snap of every
almost every snap this season in the US. See I
think they're a run first team. What do you see?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
There's no doubt that's exactly And you're right about Lincoln Raley.
He you know, he comes across as an air raid guy.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I call him a spread coach, a spread option or
a spread coach wants to run the pound the ball
first and that opens everything up. So Lincoln Riley, I'm
telling you, this is a this is a playoff looking team.
To me, the other ones were not playoff looking teams.
They were fast teams that that scored points. They were
not a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So Oregon's going to Penn State. So Oregon has not
Dante More, the quarterback has played, you know, Stanford, Arizona,
San Diego State. He never played in a stadium like this.
This thing is nuts. You played in this stadium and
Oregon's young. Are you concerned they get a little overwhelmed
in this spot against the Nittney Lions.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yeah, I've said Penn State overtook LSU to me as
the number one most difficult I've ever been in white
out at night. It's choreographed. It's a must watch. It's
something that you need to see this. And he has
never been in this You're right, And I taught Coach
Landing called me this week and he heard me talk
about Penn State. And as I grew as a coach,
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the thing you need to do is practice. And I
mentioned to the seco is the stadium is not always loud.
It's loud during third downs.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So what do you do?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
You practice that or you come up with some kind
of scheme. We would do tempo that means you go
real fast on third down. And not let the crowd
get into it. The other thing is red zone.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
You go put those speakers right behind you in the
red zone of practice so you're ready for it.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And then the other one.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
We lost a game there in two thousand and I
think sixteen fifteen fifteen, I believe, and that was because
we've got a field goal blocked. And that's another hotspot.
So again, third downs, red zone, field goal and punt.
Those who in the stadium becomes unglued, you better practice it.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, you know it's I was thinking about you this week.
I thought Mike Dunny was a good coach, but he
didn't pivot very well on nil and Dabo similarly, I
think it's a very good coach. And I've said this before,
you know, Bobby and I I didn't want to do
one and done. Skrzyzewsky initially didn't, then he embraced it.
Is that nothing ruins or punctures brilliance like rigidity and stubbornness.
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And I look at Davo and I watched them against
Syracuse last week and my only takeaway was they've got
a few really high end players, like defensively, but I
don't know if they have the depth of athlete of
Ohio State or Penn State and they haven't gone into
the transfer portal, and everybody thinks her. But if you
go to the transfer portal, it's just to get five
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star guys. Sometimes it's to get another slot corner or
a second tight end. I just didn't feel Clemson was
talented like LSU talent at Ohio State. What do you
think their problem is?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
So I talked to Dabbo before the season and he
made a comment to me, this is a national champion
ship Calaiertar team. He felt there was depth, He felt
that he had a Heisman candidate at a quarterback. It's
still early. I got a feeling they're going to find
a way to run off a bunch of wins in a
you know, kind of average acc and they kind of
get these organized. But you know, you mentioned Mike Gundy
as well. I've put those guys in the same category
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because to me, Mike Gundy was untouchable.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He is Oklahoma State.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
But Tulsa goes in here and beats the Nelson, that
guy becomes touchable. So Dubbo, I'm not ready to that
ship's not going to say first of all Dabos.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Sweeney's not going anywhere. I think.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I think Klempson comes back. Maybe it's not one of
his best teams, but it's certainly good enough to at
least compete for ACC championship.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Finally, Urban Meyer and I'll see him tomorrow on Big
Newon kickoff, I said, I always thought the Big ten
was top heavy, but it wasn't good enough at quarterback.
It wasn't quite as fast as I like it. It
needed a little spice, the jumble eye I need a
little spice. I think Oregon, Washington, Jedfish USC. It was
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a perfect mesh. It's forced the West Coast teams to
get bigger and buy size, and it's made the Big
ten fast, creative, fun better quarterbacks. I mean, I can't
believe how well it's worked. Are you surprised by Listen?
Oregon won the conference last year. I think Washington this
year is going to be very dangerous. USC is back.
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Did you think it would be that it would work
this well?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
No, I thought the PAC twelve would kind of come
into conference and get pushed your out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
That's not what happened.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I think the PAC twelve teams before you mentioned have
elevated on the Big Ten right now. I did something
on Urbannalysis on the Big Ten Network that it's the best.
There's seven quarterbacks right now. I think you are the
best that I in my lifetime. The depth of quarterback
position in the Big Ten is better than it's ever been.
The style of play now, the bottom of the Big
ten's bad. There's some really bad teams at the bottom.
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But I'm telling you what, this is very sec looking
back when the SEC you know, it's much more depth
you got in the I think the Illinois team just
they got hammered a little bit. They're still a good
football team. And this is with Wisconsin and Michigan State
is still going through a rebuild once those teams get back,
if they do get back, I mean the Big Ten conferences.
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I think it's a no more conference in college football.
Urban Meyer, Fox Sports college football coach.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I'll see you tomorrow. Can't wait to see you, Collin
all right. Urban Meyer a friend and just a terrific
work for us. I cannot wait. Husty Stadium, Oregon on
the road at Penn State. Urban said's the hardest place.
Now It's surpassed LSU and USC down the road, Jamack
with the news.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
No, no, this is the headline news.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
All right, big guy, Let's get started with Lamar Jackson Colin.
He's been one of the few bright spots for a
Ravens team that is one and two. Obviously, he was
runner up to Josh Allen last year for League MVP.
Entering this weekend's matchup against the Chiefs, Chris Jones about
Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Any playing a game, he can change the dy nammic
of it. So you know, with him, it's always tough
to play against someone on the Baltimore Ravenents. You know,
Stopping Lamar is one thing. Trying to contain him as another.
And over the years, you look how prolific as a
passer he's become. I think he's completing seventy percent of
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his passes, which I think he should have won MVP
last year.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Have so much respect for him, Yeah, you know, many
many people did.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I maybe it's just me, but did you not think
Lamar seemed uncertain against Detroit in the pocket. He seemed
to do a lot of pump fakes and next thing
you know, he's on his back because Aiden Hutchinson and
company were breathing down. I don't know what was going on,
but if I were looking at props, I would be
targeting Lamar Jackson over rushing yards. This feels to me right,
high profile game against Mahomes and the Chiefs. Lamar's like,
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I ain't letting us lose, guys. I'm going down swinging
and I'm doing everything I can. And that probably means
with his life. I don't like the Chief linebackers either.
Find out. Let's move on now. This is spicy. I've
got to choose my words carefully. CJ. Stroud and the
Texans offense has struggled through the first three games. By
the way, dating back to last season, they're just five
to nine in their last fourteen, averaging only nineteen points
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per game. So Diana Russini was talking about c J.
Stroud and if you listen closely, Colin, we have a
percolating situation in Houston.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
They are still trying to figure themselves out on offense.
They have a new play caller, they have a different
looking offensive line. I still think they're they're working some
kinks out. So he's still good. I'm not on this.
I'm not in the camp he's rooting his opportunity here
to get some mega extension.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I still think CJ. Stroud can play as you think.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
There's still a lot of work to be done, and
there's some things going on behind the scenes that I
think we're gonna find out about.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh that is spicy.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Okay again, I gotta choose my words carefully because I
don't want to start a brush fire. We don't have
a lot of evidence here, Okay. That being said, there
was a weird article in the New York Times this
week about is CJ. Stroud playing his way out of
an extension? And we would laugh at that, right, Like,
come on, CJ. Shroud, he's great. So he shares an
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agent with Michah Parsons. Colin and c J. Stroud and
Michael Parsons really were buddy buddy a couple summers ago,
hanging out a lot after Stroud's great rookie year, and
Michael Parsons had an interesting end to this offseason, right
he kind of got an argument with Jerry Jones and
forced his way out of town and was traded. Do
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you think c J. Stroud is long for the Texans?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
That's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm not trying to start something. We don't know what's
going on, but Russini hinting stuff behind the scenes. They
are on their new offensive court, and remember they dumped
the guylast year. Slowick their offensive line is what's going
on here? Stroud playing poorly? You think c. J. Stroud
is locked in in Houston?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I not after your two minutes segment there.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
No, so he you know he's from California.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Right, Oh? Rams maybe seeking another cold of him.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I don't know. I mean, would you think he'd love
to play with McVeigh?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Very interesting? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'm not trying to start something.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But Bay McVeigh does like pocket quarterbacks, He like golf,
he likes Stafford, c J. Stroud, he doesn't need he
likes you to run his play.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Rams have a couple more extra draft picks, don't they?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Ooh, very now you're onto something. Two ones for c. J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's got to cost more than that. But uh no.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Not when he's coming off back to back bad.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Seasons and Texas are not moving off in that easily.
But just a fun store I thought I put out
there J.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping back the
herd line news.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I mean, does CJ. Stroud get more than two first
round picks? I don't think not off back to back
bad years. I don't think so. He's off great years.
It's worth three and a five. But if you're off
bad to back, back to back bad seasons, you're not
winning games. You're not getting three first round picks, two
first rounders in the same draft.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Well, I remember Snead was able to pull off the
golf swap for Stafford. Obviously there would be no swap here.
But uh, the fact that Michael Parsons got traded because
nobody thought we were good, they were gonna trade it,
and he shares an agent with Stroud mildly interesting. And
now Houston fans are probably very upset with us.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But don't be mad. Be mad at you. I didn't
say anything, all right, J Mack around the corners got
his picks. It's the Herd.
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Yeah, yeah, let's rock and roll. We're now in week four.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Tomorrows headlines today Viking Steelers. I know where you're leaning.
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I think this is a layout, folks. The headline for
Vikings Steelers will be can we see it on the screen? Guys,
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like Carson Wentzey gets Jordan Addison, Colin big At get
back there at wide receiver. We know the left tackle
derrisols back. It seems like the offensive line should do well.
If you look at these Pittsburgh defense at metrics Colin
for an expensive defense, they have been rotten. They cannot
stop to anybody, remember justin fields move the ball up
and down the field against these guys. Now, I know
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Pittsburgh will have something of a home field advantage in Dublin.
Apparently it's gonna be like seventy five twenty five. Aaron
Rodgers fans and the Steelers are a better brand, I
guess than the Vikings. But I'm confident in Minnesota's defense,
Brian Flores, they are eighth in blitz rate, they are
second in pressure rate, and Aaron Rodgers is the worst
quarterback in the NFL so far this season against pressure,
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six for twenty two passing. Give me the Vikings to
win by seven to ten.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Panthers Patriots. What say you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
You know we have a lot of agreement. This week.
The headline for Panthers Patriots will be mother, may I
Pats permitted to own? Panthers?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Come.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It's opened at minus two. It's up to minus five
and a half. Listen right now. Everybody loves the Patriots,
and why would you not. I mean, I know they
have six turnovers, tied for second in the league, but
a lot of that was just unlucky fumbles. Bad Drake
made decisions. What's the remedy your face of Panthers defense
that stinks worst pressure rate in the league. They have
one sack through three games. Their defense just isn't good.
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If you look at their wide receiver room, they just
rule leget out Ted McMillan, your guy from Arizona. He's
struggling with an injury. He's questionable. I don't think Bryce
Young has a lot of options. Give me the Patriots
at home handily.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Philadelphia came from behind to beat the
Rams at Tampa. The kids are coming from behind and winning,
and Tampa, I don't think you can sustain it. Yeah,
little I have a feeling I know where you're leaning
on this. So you know last week, remember that Lions
Ravens game. I'll say, hey, Ravens killed them. Last time,
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they murdered them. They're gonna do it again.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
They didn't. Well, everybody liking Tampa beware the headline for
Eagles Bucks will be porched. Pirates Bucks get boxed up
at home. Love a good revenge spot for my guy.
Jalen Hurts in company hurts his one in four against
Tampa with Todd Bowles on the sideline. He has struggled
a bit, but I think this is the week that
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he gets right. Remember last year in this spot did
not have aj Brown or DeVonta Smith, Like, come on,
let's give the guy a break. Saquon Barkley is yet
to get untracked. But this Tampa defense is not great.
They've been winning thanks to mistakes by the opponents and
Baker Mayfield heroics. I think that ends. I'm going to
Eagles thirty to seventeen. In a role.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Tomorrow's headline today, I avoid Falcon bets at all costs.
You don't commanders now with a backup quarterback in the
atl Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I think it was you that said last season, friends
don't let friends bet on the Falcons. Something like that.
You had something funny the headline for Falcons commanders will
be let Bijons be bijons. Falcons get go off the losses.
I like Atlanta Colin. I know it's crazy, but no
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Jayden Daniels, no scary Terry mcclaurin. I don't see an
offense where Marcus Mariota does it again and explodes on
the Falcons. And let's be real, this is an Atlanta
team that just played as bad as possible. Last week.
Michael Pennix threw an inexplicable pick six on like the
second play of the second half. Kicker miss two field goals.
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Remember in the Dome. Look good against Tampa in the Dome,
look good at Minnesota and one true. They're back in
a dome that deep, Those edge rushers are fast. I
like Atlanta to get right, but be careful.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
This next one feels lobsided. It was too odd Vius,
so I stayed away. Tomorrow's headlines today. Jackson Dark gets
his first start. Unfortunately it gets Hardball the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, Jase Minter, the great defensive mind to the Chargers.
Who's gonna get head coaching? Looks? We know, all right,
the headline for Chargers Giants will be y'all better Scatamoo
daddle Chargers run in all directions. Listen, you could work
Skataboo into a headline. You got. He's the man for
the Giants. I just there is some concern I'm with you, like,
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be careful Chargers on the road. Everybody now has them
in the Super Bowl bubble and you go down with
no the guard Mackay Beckton, he's out. We know the
Giants front is very strong. Yeah, that's oh scoring and
ugly and and you don't know what Jackson Dark. He's
kind of an unknown, right Is he going to come
in and run around for fifty yards? Is he going
to make plays to Malik Dabors that Russell Wilson could
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not do? So I do have some concerns. I'm just
betting on coaching here. I think Harball is considerably better
than Dable, and I think Jesse Mint is an excellent
defensive guy. Who's gonna cook up some schemes to confound
the rookie. I'll go with the.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Chargers, another favorite, lobsided game, potentially tomorrow's headlines today my
greenbare touchdown favorite and big d What do you got.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
First bet of the week? I've been waiting for this
circled on the calendar, not just mine, but Micah's. The
headline for Packers Cowboys will be ab cd fm L
Cowboys can't break spell. Now our young audience knows FML.
I'm not sure you do. I honestly thought the higher
ups would nix this, but I think Dallas is screwed
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here without Cedee Lamb. Collin, by the way, did you
see how many points they scored against the Bears in
the second half without Ceedee Lamb?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Not good?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Zero. I mean, I know they moved the football, but
that was largely garbage time because of the situation of
the game. And you look at that interior offensive line
of Dallas. Lot of backups, a lot of guys off
the street. Colin MICHAEH. Parsons, we know the defense of
the Packers. They don't just run off the edge. They
do stunts. So Mike is gonna be kind of up
the middle, Dak not running as much as he used to.
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This is a scary one. I don't think it's gonna
be like forty eight twenty, but I do think the
Packers winning this handily, one of those like thirty five
to ten. Oh my gosh, Jerry, you guys are in trouble.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Finally, great College Football Slate Best of the Year final tally.
Here Tomorrow's headlines today. Bama going to job Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You know, I wanted to go Washington, Ohio State. There's
you know, obviously some really great games at Oregon, Penn State.
But I'm going Alabama Georgia because the headline's too beautiful.
The headline for tied up Bulldogs and the SEC would
be the Dubour went down to Georgia and played them
lack of fiddle. I'm going with my main man, Ty Simpson,
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who I believe emerges from this game as a legit
Heisman contender. WHOA I know they lost to FSU. It's
not like Simpson was terrible by the way. Nine touchdowns,
zero picks, seventy one percent completions. Remember what Ryan Williams
did to these guys last year. And Jalen Milroe Milroll
came out of this game like, oh my gosh, is
he had top twenty pick. I think Simpson looks good.
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I think they own Kirby smart and Deboor gets the
job done. This is going to be a phenomenal game
the College Slate Saturday. Just just keep your phone charged
because I know, I know you're gonna want to fire
off text to me. I like Alabama to win outright
in Georgia.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know my takeaway on all this is I stayed
away to two most obvious blowouts, which is the Chargers
against the Giants and the Packers against the Cowboys, because
when like eighty eight percent of the bets are on
the favorites, so I went with Denver instead. Everybody's doubting
bo Nicks, and I just I think their roster in
Denver's exceptional altitude at home. I think without Joe Burrow,
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I think there's a kind of lack of personality, a
lack of belief in Cincinnati. But it does feel like
there is a separation of the really good teams and
the really bad ones. And then last week happens in
Cleveland beats Green Bay, and you're like, oh wait, maybe
there isn't so I don't know it's funny. I do not.
I had no game screams upset to me. Tampa, of course,
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at home, is capable of beating anybody in the league.
But I think the Jets is a two and a
half point underdog. Certainly if justin Field's players could win,
I don't see a huge upset this weekend.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I see this Spencer Rattler and company going to Buffalo.
Bill's just kind of sleep be whatever, and maybe Nelan
Egg losing. I think it's fifteen and a half as
the spread there. I wouldn't bet that with your money.
If you said, Jay, here's a thousand, I'm not doing it.
I just double digit spreads are dangerous, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, it's just also, I mean, Seattle dominates most of
the early game last night and finds themselves tied late.
I mean, that's that's It's not college football, like you.
There's dudes everywhere. Arizone's got six or seven great players.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I think it was twenty to six with six minutes left.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
You know a lot of times, especially in pro football,
because you've got a billionaire owner and a coach making
between nine and a half and fourteen and a half million,
and you've got a quarterback making three hundred million. There's
you know there, we all know who's got the power
in the NFL. It's the owner, it's the star coach,
and it's the star quarterback. GMS Howie Roseman is a
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total exception. Even John Snyder almost threatened to leave Seattle
as one of the top personnel guys unless he got
more power, and then Pete got pushed out. So in
the end, NFL we know who has the power in
the league. Like in college football, the coach has it.
Always the coach has it, or the big donor has it.
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But in the football, you know, there's an old business
saying a problem well defined, is a problem half solved.
The bigger issue in the NFL isn't who has the power.
I mean, we know where the Chargers, it's the owner,
the Spanos family, Jim Harbaugh and Herbert. Herbert just doesn't
use it. But in the NFL a lot of times
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it's not who has the power, it's what's the problem.
You have a problem when people can't agree on what
the problem is. You know, the coach didn't he wasn't
hired by the GM. Like in Chicago right now, everybody
thinks the problems. Caleb Williams, I would argue the problem
with the Bears is the ownership and the executive suite.
I think the quarterback's really talented, and I think the
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coach is really smart. You know, you can't get agreement.
Howie Roseman has so much control in Philadelphia, he will
decide what the problems are and he will address them.
I think with Kansas City, we know everybody can agree
what the problem is because Brett Veach is a good
GM and Andy Reid's a brilliant coach, and Mahomes is
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one of the greatest ever. We just know it's a
personnel issue. On offense, they've missed on a couple receivers.
Travis Kelsey's old and expensive. Mahomes is expensive and receivers
a hard position to draft. Even when they got it
right with Rashid Rice, he does something that's not very
smart and now he's suspended for six games. And then
you get Worthy and he's really good, but he's small,
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runs into Kelsey and he gets hurt. So a lot
of Kansas City's issues are we know who has the power,
and we know it's not scheme. I think you have
to just everybody in the room has to go. Our
problem is here, we don't have good enough players. Dave
Wantstat has a belief on how to correct it, but
again I don't know if they have the personnel to
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correct what Dave wants. Instead. Who was our guest earlier
has as a solution.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That Eagle Super Bowl when they were behind by ten
at halftime and Mahomes was limping, and they came out
the second half, and what did they do? They ran
the ball with Pacheco, remember, and that's how they won
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
They ran the football.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I thought that that would Andy Reid would get back
to that more. What's the easiest thing to do to
help your quarterback run the ball, and they just haven't
really made a big, in my mind, a big commitment
to running the football.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And my question is, well they let Joe Toney go
they couldn't afford Joe Toney. Well, Joe Toney has made
the Bears better up front and had his loss is significant.
So I mean for the record, when I mean, you
could probably go look this up. When Tooney left the Patriots,
their own line wasn't as good, and Toney left the
Chiefs and their own lines not as good. And the
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Bears O line this year is better than last year.
When you have one of the you know, one of
the two or three best interior blockers in Joe Tooney,
a tough guy, a smart guy, a leader. I don't
think they can run the ball. I think Kansas City
this weekend, if you gave me three points, I would
take the Chiefs at home at two and a half.
Stay away. But I mean, right now, the Kansas City
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Chiefs leading rusher is Mahomes, and that's the problem. They
don't want that to be the case because Mahomes more
than once in his career, has got banged up and
he's living around he's not one hundred percent. I mean
Jalen Hurts had that for about a year before Saquon Barkley.
You remember that before Sakuon Barkley, Jalen Hurts felt like
he was planning about eighty percent for two years. And
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then they get Saquon Barkley. And now Jalen Hurts feels
like he's been healthy for a good year and a
half two years. So they don't want Mahomes to be
the leading rusher. I think I just don't. I don't
think it's sustainable to have your quarterback as a leading rusher.
I don't think they want it, but I think it's
And this is not a knock on the GM. You
pay the quarterback, you and and and they've also you
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got to pay Chris jian owns Kelsey gets paid. Mahomes
gets paid. They didn't want to let go of Joe Tooney.
That was not what they wanted to do. Watch their games.
There's no jews. You watched Seattle last night. You see jews.
I mean even Arizona. I see players. I just don't
see the leadership. So that's where we are. You know,
Jamch I haven't ask you your NFL picture at the
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end of the show. I generally take the home team
in college football, and they're two good teams. I think
the interesting one to me is Ohio State and Washington.
So Washington is unranked, they should be ranked, but they're unranked.
Ohio State's number one at Husky Stadium's an advantage. What's
sneaky about that game is Julian saying the quarterback for
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Ohio State is young. He has never played on the
road in this environment. He played Texas, but he was
at home. He's a very good, great high school player.
It's just hard to see an unranked team beat the
number one team in the country. And Ohio State's got
the recruiting in the nil rolling.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Do you yeah? Let me ask you, Colin. That Ohio
State win over Texas at the moment initially looked great.
What about in hindsight, Texas has been middling against directional
state universities the last like three weeks. Do we know
if Texas is that good? Well, again, I'm not bashing
Ohio State at all. I'm just starting to question that
(06:21):
Texas went in the same way LSU Clemson. Like that
LSU win looked great. Now it's like Clemson ain't great,
what's the big deal?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
No? I mean, Ohio State running back room was much
better last year. They were much more explosive out of
the backfield last year. There's no question. I think Ohio
State was a much better team last year. I also
think a lot of the complementary offensive players get drafted,
like Ibukauka and now Smith, the superstar wide receiver. Teams
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are much more capable of doubling him and bracketing him.
You couldn't last year. You had him on one side,
the freshman you have a book. On the other side,
you just they're just and they had an unbelieve backfield.
So you couldn't cheat. I mean last year when you
played Ohio State, you could not cheat. Like it was
just first rounder on that side, first rounder on the
other side. Two elite running backs, experienced quarterback. O line
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got banged up, but it was good. So it was
a hard team to face even if you had Tennessee athletes,
if you had Texas athletes, Ohio State was hard to
face last year. You couldn't cheat. They're not as dynamic
in the backfield. Ibuka is a big loss. He would
be for any program, So they're talented, but they don't
feel as dynamic. And now they send a very young
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and experienced quarterback in one of the loudest venues against
the Washington team that's going to drop twenty eight points
on everybody in the country. So that is a to me,
that is a fascinating game. I just historically, I am
going to take a number one team over an unranked team.
But Washington's about as good as you can be to
be unranked in college football. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
By the way, is it going to rain, because I
know all it does in the Northwest is reign. Is
it going to reign at that tall side?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
He's slow down?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Hey, by the way, we went to Seattle last summer.
It's amazing. I love that city.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Urban Meyer big noon kickoff. He's at the USC Illinois
game tomorrow and he is joining us now live. Okay,
So let's just ask you. I anytime you go into
a game with a young quarterback into a hostile environment,
a coaching staff generally thinks, all right, let's get him
some early, easy completions. Let's not put him in weird environments.
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But that kind of plays into Washington's hand because Washington's
gonna come into this thing with big swings. They've got
an NFL elite receiver, an unbelievable quarterback, a star running back.
So I would at Washington, they're gonna their take is
going to be so we're not beating these guys without
taking big swings. Ohio State may do the opposite and
(08:46):
let's bring it in, let's slow it down, and that
could get the crowd riled up. I mean, do you
are you worried for Ohio State in the spot?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I'm worried about the early part of the game. And
I would always tell teams going into that the mindset
is that as a prize fight, you're going to take
some brutal shots early in the game just because the crowd,
and you have to understand the hot spots. The hotspots
are third downs, the hot spots are red zone and
then punt and field go. That's when the stadium becomes electric.
But the best thing to slow down the stadium and
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calm down the stadium is to sustained drive. So I
always tell our players, and I said this early in
the Texas game for arch Manning as well, get two
first downs. That's your job as a quarterback. That way,
you automatically flip the field and you can slow everything
down a little bit, but they'd make a mistake that
just come out guns blazing in this game. In my opinion,
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let this let the game slow down a little bit.
How do you do that sustained drives? And I don't
think defense Washington's defense is that great, so I think
they can do come out of the game a nice
ten play drive. Crowd goes away in the second quarter.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I think people Buka is such a great player now
he's in the NFL. Last year, you had two elite receivers,
two elite backs. I think your quarterback had more experience.
Ohio State doesn't quite look like it quite has the
offensive juice. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I think there's still coming along Carnell tait I said,
And that's the number two receiver for Ohio State. That's
the biggest question mark because he's got all the skill
set you need to be a high draft pick and
to take some pressure off Jeremi Smith. But Jeremi Smith
had the perfect scenario. Last year. He had a mecha.
On the other side, he had two great running backs.
Those are all gone. So it still remains to be
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seeing because Texas, like I heard you say earlier, how
good is Texas in the last three games to me
were just warm up games.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
We're going to find out here in Seattle. All right,
let's talk to USC and Illinois. You know, you and
I talked years ago about this. USC got small and
then the nil came and I think joining the big ten.
Lincoln Riley looked at his roster and said, Okay, Michigan Pentate,
we have to go buy size. And I got to
tell you Urban their defensive front for the first time
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since Pete Carroll. They got five or six guys that
are big. Now a couple of them are freshmen. But
do they look different to you, at least just physically
look different.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Wellin two seconds after turning on the film, I actually
called their line coach, Zach Hanson.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Zach Hanson, I believe his name.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Is Yeah, and he's terrific, and he said that. He
said they had a staff meeting and the focus of
recruiting went from obviously great skill, that you still need that,
but they realized against Penn State, Ohio State, the Wolverines, etc.
You're going to get punched in the face. You better
get big. This is the biggest and most NFL draft
picks in the offensive line that they've had probably since
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of Pete Carrora, like you just said, on the defensive side.
So completely different looking team. And I want to add this.
I was talking to Matt Liiner about this. A physical
offense line changes your program. How practice is different, the
weight room's different, the way you approach the games different.
If you're a finesse team, your program becomes finesse and
obviously they get you only so far.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
For the record, you know, people look at Lincoln Riley
and think he loves to pass. But if you go
back to Oklahoma, uh, he ran the ball all the time.
I think when I've I've watched every snap of every
almost every snap this season in the US. See I
think they're a run first team. What do you see?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
There's no doubt that's exactly And you're right about Lincoln Raley.
He you know, he comes across as an air raid guy.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I call him a spread coach, a spread option or
a spread coach wants to run the pound the ball
first and that opens everything up. So Lincoln Riley, I'm
telling you, this is a this is a playoff looking team.
To me, the other ones were not playoff looking teams.
They were fast teams that that scored points. They were
not a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So Oregon's going to Penn State. So Oregon has not
Dante More, the quarterback has played, you know, Stanford, Arizona,
San Diego State. He never played in a stadium like this.
This thing is nuts. You played in this stadium and
Oregon's young. Are you concerned they get a little overwhelmed
in this spot against the Nittney Lions.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yeah, I've said Penn State overtook LSU to me as
the number one most difficult I've ever been in white
out at night. It's choreographed. It's a must watch. It's
something that you need to see this. And he has
never been in this You're right, And I taught Coach
Landing called me this week and he heard me talk
about Penn State. And as I grew as a coach,
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the thing you need to do is practice. And I
mentioned to the seco is the stadium is not always loud.
It's loud during third downs.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So what do you do?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
You practice that or you come up with some kind
of scheme. We would do tempo that means you go
real fast on third down. And not let the crowd
get into it. The other thing is red zone.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
You go put those speakers right behind you in the
red zone of practice so you're ready for it.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And then the other one.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
We lost a game there in two thousand and I
think sixteen fifteen fifteen, I believe, and that was because
we've got a field goal blocked. And that's another hotspot.
So again, third downs, red zone, field goal and punt.
Those who in the stadium becomes unglued, you better practice it.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, you know it's I was thinking about you this week.
I thought Mike Dunny was a good coach, but he
didn't pivot very well on nil and Dabo similarly, I
think it's a very good coach. And I've said this before,
you know, Bobby and I I didn't want to do
one and done. Skrzyzewsky initially didn't, then he embraced it.
Is that nothing ruins or punctures brilliance like rigidity and stubbornness.
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And I look at Davo and I watched them against
Syracuse last week and my only takeaway was they've got
a few really high end players, like defensively, but I
don't know if they have the depth of athlete of
Ohio State or Penn State and they haven't gone into
the transfer portal, and everybody thinks her. But if you
go to the transfer portal, it's just to get five
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star guys. Sometimes it's to get another slot corner or
a second tight end. I just didn't feel Clemson was
talented like LSU talent at Ohio State. What do you
think their problem is?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
So I talked to Dabbo before the season and he
made a comment to me, this is a national champion
ship Calaiertar team. He felt there was depth, He felt
that he had a Heisman candidate at a quarterback. It's
still early. I got a feeling they're going to find
a way to run off a bunch of wins in a
you know, kind of average acc and they kind of
get these organized. But you know, you mentioned Mike Gundy
as well. I've put those guys in the same category
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because to me, Mike Gundy was untouchable.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He is Oklahoma State.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
But Tulsa goes in here and beats the Nelson, that
guy becomes touchable. So Dubbo, I'm not ready to that
ship's not going to say first of all Dabos.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Sweeney's not going anywhere. I think.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I think Klempson comes back. Maybe it's not one of
his best teams, but it's certainly good enough to at
least compete for ACC championship.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Finally, Urban Meyer and I'll see him tomorrow on Big
Newon kickoff, I said, I always thought the Big ten
was top heavy, but it wasn't good enough at quarterback.
It wasn't quite as fast as I like it. It
needed a little spice, the jumble eye I need a
little spice. I think Oregon, Washington, Jedfish USC. It was
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a perfect mesh. It's forced the West Coast teams to
get bigger and buy size, and it's made the Big
ten fast, creative, fun better quarterbacks. I mean, I can't
believe how well it's worked. Are you surprised by Listen?
Oregon won the conference last year. I think Washington this
year is going to be very dangerous. USC is back.
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Did you think it would be that it would work
this well?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
No, I thought the PAC twelve would kind of come
into conference and get pushed your out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
That's not what happened.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I think the PAC twelve teams before you mentioned have
elevated on the Big Ten right now. I did something
on Urbannalysis on the Big Ten Network that it's the best.
There's seven quarterbacks right now. I think you are the
best that I in my lifetime. The depth of quarterback
position in the Big Ten is better than it's ever been.
The style of play now, the bottom of the Big
ten's bad. There's some really bad teams at the bottom.
(16:53):
But I'm telling you what, this is very sec looking
back when the SEC you know, it's much more depth
you got in the I think the Illinois team just
they got hammered a little bit. They're still a good
football team. And this is with Wisconsin and Michigan State
is still going through a rebuild once those teams get back,
if they do get back, I mean the Big Ten conferences.
(17:14):
I think it's a no more conference in college football.
Urban Meyer, Fox Sports college football coach.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I'll see you tomorrow. Can't wait to see you, Collin
all right. Urban Meyer a friend and just a terrific
work for us. I cannot wait. Husty Stadium, Oregon on
the road at Penn State. Urban said's the hardest place.
Now It's surpassed LSU and USC down the road, Jamack
with the news.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
No, no, this is the headline news.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
All right, big guy, Let's get started with Lamar Jackson Colin.
He's been one of the few bright spots for a
Ravens team that is one and two. Obviously, he was
runner up to Josh Allen last year for League MVP.
Entering this weekend's matchup against the Chiefs, Chris Jones about
Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Any playing a game, he can change the dy nammic
of it. So you know, with him, it's always tough
to play against someone on the Baltimore Ravenents. You know,
Stopping Lamar is one thing. Trying to contain him as another.
And over the years, you look how prolific as a
passer he's become. I think he's completing seventy percent of
(18:23):
his passes, which I think he should have won MVP
last year.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Have so much respect for him, Yeah, you know, many
many people did.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I maybe it's just me, but did you not think
Lamar seemed uncertain against Detroit in the pocket. He seemed
to do a lot of pump fakes and next thing
you know, he's on his back because Aiden Hutchinson and
company were breathing down. I don't know what was going on,
but if I were looking at props, I would be
targeting Lamar Jackson over rushing yards. This feels to me right,
high profile game against Mahomes and the Chiefs. Lamar's like,
(18:55):
I ain't letting us lose, guys. I'm going down swinging
and I'm doing everything I can. And that probably means
with his life. I don't like the Chief linebackers either.
Find out. Let's move on now. This is spicy. I've
got to choose my words carefully. CJ. Stroud and the
Texans offense has struggled through the first three games. By
the way, dating back to last season, they're just five
to nine in their last fourteen, averaging only nineteen points
(19:18):
per game. So Diana Russini was talking about c J.
Stroud and if you listen closely, Colin, we have a
percolating situation in Houston.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
They are still trying to figure themselves out on offense.
They have a new play caller, they have a different
looking offensive line. I still think they're they're working some
kinks out. So he's still good. I'm not on this.
I'm not in the camp he's rooting his opportunity here
to get some mega extension.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I still think CJ. Stroud can play as you think.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
There's still a lot of work to be done, and
there's some things going on behind the scenes that I
think we're gonna find out about.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh that is spicy.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Okay again, I gotta choose my words carefully because I
don't want to start a brush fire. We don't have
a lot of evidence here, Okay. That being said, there
was a weird article in the New York Times this
week about is CJ. Stroud playing his way out of
an extension? And we would laugh at that, right, Like,
come on, CJ. Shroud, he's great. So he shares an
(20:24):
agent with Michah Parsons. Colin and c J. Stroud and
Michael Parsons really were buddy buddy a couple summers ago,
hanging out a lot after Stroud's great rookie year, and
Michael Parsons had an interesting end to this offseason, right
he kind of got an argument with Jerry Jones and
forced his way out of town and was traded. Do
(20:45):
you think c J. Stroud is long for the Texans?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
That's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm not trying to start something. We don't know what's
going on, but Russini hinting stuff behind the scenes. They
are on their new offensive court, and remember they dumped
the guylast year. Slowick their offensive line is what's going
on here? Stroud playing poorly? You think c. J. Stroud
is locked in in Houston?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I not after your two minutes segment there.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
No, so he you know he's from California.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Right, Oh? Rams maybe seeking another cold of him.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I don't know. I mean, would you think he'd love
to play with McVeigh?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Very interesting? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'm not trying to start something.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But Bay McVeigh does like pocket quarterbacks, He like golf,
he likes Stafford, c J. Stroud, he doesn't need he
likes you to run his play.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Rams have a couple more extra draft picks, don't they?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Ooh, very now you're onto something. Two ones for c. J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's got to cost more than that. But uh no.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Not when he's coming off back to back bad.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Seasons and Texas are not moving off in that easily.
But just a fun store I thought I put out
there J.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping back the
herd line news.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I mean, does CJ. Stroud get more than two first
round picks? I don't think not off back to back
bad years. I don't think so. He's off great years.
It's worth three and a five. But if you're off
bad to back, back to back bad seasons, you're not
winning games. You're not getting three first round picks, two
first rounders in the same draft.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Well, I remember Snead was able to pull off the
golf swap for Stafford. Obviously there would be no swap here.
But uh, the fact that Michael Parsons got traded because
nobody thought we were good, they were gonna trade it,
and he shares an agent with Stroud mildly interesting. And
now Houston fans are probably very upset with us.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But don't be mad. Be mad at you. I didn't
say anything, all right, J Mack around the corners got
his picks. It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
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Speaker 7 (23:10):
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Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You could catch
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We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on
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Speaker 1 (23:56):
Five to seven pm Eastern.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Two to four Pacific, And if you miss any of
the show, just search kobein on Rich wherever you get
your podcasts, and of course on social media that's Cabino
and Rich. You didn't get a lot of breaks? You
ready to go?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, yeah, let's rock and roll. We're now in week four.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Tomorrows headlines today Viking Steelers. I know where you're leaning.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, so we're doing six NFL six. I like love
the card and a college football. We'll start in Dublin.
I think this is a layout, folks. The headline for
Vikings Steelers will be can we see it on the screen? Guys,
influencers in the wild, Vikes go viral in Dublin. I
(24:40):
like Carson Wentzey gets Jordan Addison, Colin big At get
back there at wide receiver. We know the left tackle
derrisols back. It seems like the offensive line should do well.
If you look at these Pittsburgh defense at metrics Colin
for an expensive defense, they have been rotten. They cannot
stop to anybody, remember justin fields move the ball up
and down the field against these guys. Now, I know
(25:01):
Pittsburgh will have something of a home field advantage in Dublin.
Apparently it's gonna be like seventy five twenty five. Aaron
Rodgers fans and the Steelers are a better brand, I
guess than the Vikings. But I'm confident in Minnesota's defense,
Brian Flores, they are eighth in blitz rate, they are
second in pressure rate, and Aaron Rodgers is the worst
quarterback in the NFL so far this season against pressure,
(25:24):
six for twenty two passing. Give me the Vikings to
win by seven to ten.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Panthers Patriots. What say you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
You know we have a lot of agreement. This week.
The headline for Panthers Patriots will be mother, may I
Pats permitted to own? Panthers?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Come.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It's opened at minus two. It's up to minus five
and a half. Listen right now. Everybody loves the Patriots,
and why would you not. I mean, I know they
have six turnovers, tied for second in the league, but
a lot of that was just unlucky fumbles. Bad Drake
made decisions. What's the remedy your face of Panthers defense
that stinks worst pressure rate in the league. They have
one sack through three games. Their defense just isn't good.
(26:09):
If you look at their wide receiver room, they just
rule leget out Ted McMillan, your guy from Arizona. He's
struggling with an injury. He's questionable. I don't think Bryce
Young has a lot of options. Give me the Patriots
at home handily.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Philadelphia came from behind to beat the
Rams at Tampa. The kids are coming from behind and winning,
and Tampa, I don't think you can sustain it. Yeah,
little I have a feeling I know where you're leaning
on this. So you know last week, remember that Lions
Ravens game. I'll say, hey, Ravens killed them. Last time,
(26:43):
they murdered them. They're gonna do it again.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
They didn't. Well, everybody liking Tampa beware the headline for
Eagles Bucks will be porched. Pirates Bucks get boxed up
at home. Love a good revenge spot for my guy.
Jalen Hurts in company hurts his one in four against
Tampa with Todd Bowles on the sideline. He has struggled
a bit, but I think this is the week that
(27:06):
he gets right. Remember last year in this spot did
not have aj Brown or DeVonta Smith, Like, come on,
let's give the guy a break. Saquon Barkley is yet
to get untracked. But this Tampa defense is not great.
They've been winning thanks to mistakes by the opponents and
Baker Mayfield heroics. I think that ends. I'm going to
Eagles thirty to seventeen. In a role.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Tomorrow's headline today, I avoid Falcon bets at all costs.
You don't commanders now with a backup quarterback in the
atl Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I think it was you that said last season, friends
don't let friends bet on the Falcons. Something like that.
You had something funny the headline for Falcons commanders will
be let Bijons be bijons. Falcons get go off the losses.
I like Atlanta Colin. I know it's crazy, but no
(27:57):
Jayden Daniels, no scary Terry mcclaurin. I don't see an
offense where Marcus Mariota does it again and explodes on
the Falcons. And let's be real, this is an Atlanta
team that just played as bad as possible. Last week.
Michael Pennix threw an inexplicable pick six on like the
second play of the second half. Kicker miss two field goals.
(28:18):
Remember in the Dome. Look good against Tampa in the Dome,
look good at Minnesota and one true. They're back in
a dome that deep, Those edge rushers are fast. I
like Atlanta to get right, but be careful.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
This next one feels lobsided. It was too odd Vius,
so I stayed away. Tomorrow's headlines today. Jackson Dark gets
his first start. Unfortunately it gets Hardball the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, Jase Minter, the great defensive mind to the Chargers.
Who's gonna get head coaching? Looks? We know, all right,
the headline for Chargers Giants will be y'all better Scatamoo
daddle Chargers run in all directions. Listen, you could work
Skataboo into a headline. You got. He's the man for
the Giants. I just there is some concern I'm with you, like,
(29:04):
be careful Chargers on the road. Everybody now has them
in the Super Bowl bubble and you go down with
no the guard Mackay Beckton, he's out. We know the
Giants front is very strong. Yeah, that's oh scoring and
ugly and and you don't know what Jackson Dark. He's
kind of an unknown, right Is he going to come
in and run around for fifty yards? Is he going
to make plays to Malik Dabors that Russell Wilson could
(29:25):
not do? So I do have some concerns. I'm just
betting on coaching here. I think Harball is considerably better
than Dable, and I think Jesse Mint is an excellent
defensive guy. Who's gonna cook up some schemes to confound
the rookie. I'll go with the.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Chargers, another favorite, lobsided game, potentially tomorrow's headlines today my
greenbare touchdown favorite and big d What do you got.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
First bet of the week? I've been waiting for this
circled on the calendar, not just mine, but Micah's. The
headline for Packers Cowboys will be ab cd fm L
Cowboys can't break spell. Now our young audience knows FML.
I'm not sure you do. I honestly thought the higher
ups would nix this, but I think Dallas is screwed
(30:09):
here without Cedee Lamb. Collin, by the way, did you
see how many points they scored against the Bears in
the second half without Ceedee Lamb?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Not good?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Zero. I mean, I know they moved the football, but
that was largely garbage time because of the situation of
the game. And you look at that interior offensive line
of Dallas. Lot of backups, a lot of guys off
the street. Colin MICHAEH. Parsons, we know the defense of
the Packers. They don't just run off the edge. They
do stunts. So Mike is gonna be kind of up
the middle, Dak not running as much as he used to.
(30:38):
This is a scary one. I don't think it's gonna
be like forty eight twenty, but I do think the
Packers winning this handily, one of those like thirty five
to ten. Oh my gosh, Jerry, you guys are in trouble.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Finally, great College Football Slate Best of the Year final tally.
Here Tomorrow's headlines today. Bama going to job Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You know, I wanted to go Washington, Ohio State. There's
you know, obviously some really great games at Oregon, Penn State.
But I'm going Alabama Georgia because the headline's too beautiful.
The headline for tied up Bulldogs and the SEC would
be the Dubour went down to Georgia and played them
lack of fiddle. I'm going with my main man, Ty Simpson,
(31:21):
who I believe emerges from this game as a legit
Heisman contender. WHOA I know they lost to FSU. It's
not like Simpson was terrible by the way. Nine touchdowns,
zero picks, seventy one percent completions. Remember what Ryan Williams
did to these guys last year. And Jalen Milroe Milroll
came out of this game like, oh my gosh, is
he had top twenty pick. I think Simpson looks good.
(31:42):
I think they own Kirby smart and Deboor gets the
job done. This is going to be a phenomenal game
the College Slate Saturday. Just just keep your phone charged
because I know, I know you're gonna want to fire
off text to me. I like Alabama to win outright
in Georgia.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know my takeaway on all this is I stayed
away to two most obvious blowouts, which is the Chargers
against the Giants and the Packers against the Cowboys, because
when like eighty eight percent of the bets are on
the favorites, so I went with Denver instead. Everybody's doubting
bo Nicks, and I just I think their roster in
Denver's exceptional altitude at home. I think without Joe Burrow,
(32:21):
I think there's a kind of lack of personality, a
lack of belief in Cincinnati. But it does feel like
there is a separation of the really good teams and
the really bad ones. And then last week happens in
Cleveland beats Green Bay, and you're like, oh wait, maybe
there isn't so I don't know it's funny. I do not.
I had no game screams upset to me. Tampa, of course,
(32:45):
at home, is capable of beating anybody in the league.
But I think the Jets is a two and a
half point underdog. Certainly if justin Field's players could win,
I don't see a huge upset this weekend.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I see this Spencer Rattler and company going to Buffalo.
Bill's just kind of sleep be whatever, and maybe Nelan
Egg losing. I think it's fifteen and a half as
the spread there. I wouldn't bet that with your money.
If you said, Jay, here's a thousand, I'm not doing it.
I just double digit spreads are dangerous, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, it's just also, I mean, Seattle dominates most of
the early game last night and finds themselves tied late.
I mean, that's that's It's not college football, like you.
There's dudes everywhere. Arizone's got six or seven great players.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I think it was twenty to six with six minutes left.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, and suddenly you win in a walk off. Welcome
to the National Football League. First things first is around
the corner. Urban Meyer was great appreciated that bluff date
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