September 26, 2025 • 50 mins
The Seattle Seahawks improve to 3-1 on the NFL season, and Colin Cowherd doubles down on his longtime support of quarterback Sam Darnold, crediting the young QB's resilience after early-career struggles. Colin reveals his Blazing 5 NFL Week 4 picks, breaking down Vikings vs. Steelers and Bears vs. Raiders.
Plus, Urban Meyer, Fox Sports college football analyst and 3-time National Champion, joins the show to preview a massive weekend in college football. Matchups include:
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- #21 USC at #23 Illinois
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh do we have a show today? It is a Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
The Picks, Love some favorites in one hour from now.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac went
out on the town last night, watched the Seahawks with
a friend. A lot of energy, a lot of energy,
and I'm you know, I try never to be a Homer.
I try not to be. It's hard, you know, you
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grow up with certain teams. But Arroyo, JSN, Kenneth Walker,
Sam Arnold defensive coach, and I do think they have
as good a GM as the league has outside of
Howie Roseman. I see Seattle, I see a lot of talent.
I see a super Bowl capable team. I do after
that performance last night, making your Super Bowl bubble pick
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look kind of sharp?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Huh, kind of did so?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I mean, there's no greater example of where you land
matters than Sam Darnold, USC, Jets, Carolina, Especially Jets and Carolina.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
They asked him at.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
A very young age carry the franchise the last two stops,
good coaches, good roster. Suddenly he's elite, and oh yeah,
he's elite. Last two years, he's tied for the most
wins in the league by a quarterback. He's tied for
the most game winning drives with Patrick Mahome, and he
leads the NFL in big plays. And this is the
second youngest offensive roster. So he's doing it with kids.
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Rookie tight end jsn the rookie from Colorado State Walker
is still young though he's doing it with kids. So
people say, well, at the end of last season, he
got blown out. I've seen Mahomes get blown out in
two Super Bowls. I love Lamar Jackson. I've seen him
freeze in the headlights multiple games in the playoffs. If
you look at what have the Jets and the Panthers
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done since Sam Darnold left, they remain pathetic. Sometimes winners
in life can't elevate every loser.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
High school.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
He was a winner, USC Rose Bowl, he was a winner, Vikings,
He's a winner. Seattle, He's a winner. Nobody can help
the Jets and the Panthers, so like not everybody can elevate,
elevate everything. Four straight seasons with better coaching. Oh, his
completion percentage keeps going up. Leads the NFL in big plays.
When he went to New York, he was ridiculously young.
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He was twenty one years old, and he wasn't ready
for New York. And New York the Jets aren't ready
for any quarterback. So I look at Sam and I
look at this young roster, and I think it's amazing.
We know, oh, Green Bay is a really young roster,
but Jordan loves been in the building for so long.
He's grown with these guys. So Jordan loves young. The
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roster's young, but he's been in the mix for years.
Donald keeps bouncing around to teams everywhere he goes. It
works Minnesota with a veteran left tackle and a veteran
star receiver.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It worked.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Now he goes to Seattle, the opposite their kid's second
youngest offense in the league, to Green Bay and it
clicks jsn Arroyo. It shows you the work, it shows
you the leadership. You know, I was thinking about this
last night watching him. I actually think Donald has great intangibles.
And I've always said this about Dak Prescott. I don't
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love the arm of Dak. I don't think he throws
the prettiest ball. I think Sam Darnold is Dak with
better tangibles. Both have great intangibles. They're loved by teammates,
one of the guys alpha without the ego. They're both
the kind of the same guy, Dak and Donald. Donald's
got the bigger arm, Donald's the better athlete. Both tough,
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So I don't know. I just look at Sam Donald
and high school USC and Rose Bulls, Seattle, Minnesota. When
you've surrounded him with winners and quality people and quality teammates,
Sam wins a lot, tied for the league lead and wins.
And I think it's impressive that he's doing it with
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Seattle because you know, Minnesota had some older star players.
You can go to a safety, a left tackle, the
star receiver there was, older star players are running back.
This is a young team. He just plopped into Seattle.
And it's already working. That is a much harder win
than you think. Division rival, short week, young team on
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the road, Arizona's always fight. Arizona's got a lot of
good offensive players. So here was Mike McDonald, the young
head coach, on Sam Donald don't win last night.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Sam's playing out of his mind right now.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And you see him.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
He's just like just I guess, such a cool customer,
but he's a guy on a mission.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
He's just so determined for us to be a great
team and a great offense.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And he's doing a great job leading us. He certainly is.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And I said yesterday I put the Seahawks in the
Super Bowl bubble. The Athletic came out with this survey
this week judging the best front offices in the NFL,
and it was all the teams that draft and develop. Well,
you can argue that John Snyder is as good a
personnel guy as the NFL has the GM. I mean,
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all I see with Seattle is they just don't miss
they don't miss on a lot of draft picks. And
now they've they've got this young defensive coach, kind of
their version of Jesse Minter. And Donald's a playmaker. When
you put him around players and smart coaches. Sam Donald's
he's elite. So I was watching Kyler Murray last night.
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I have defended Kyler Murray from his first day in
the league. I defended him when the owner called him
out for lack of study habits. I think he's an
insane talent. But I do think privately watching last night,
if he asked the owner and the GM and the
head coach and they could wiggle out of the contract
and move.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
On, I think they would.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He's not terribly verbal. I feel like sometimes he feels detached.
I don't feel like he's obsessed with football, but I
don't know him well enough to have strong opinions. I
will defend his talent forever. But when I see Mahomes
barking at his teammates on the sideline, or Lamar Jackson
is the soul of the offense, or Stafford and McVeigh,
they're totally in sync. And I always watched Kyler Murray
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and I'm like, he's the fifth longest ten year quarterback
in the league.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Fifth, who's he close to? Who's he connected to?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So I'm watching last night and again I've defended him
the entire time, and he has a market. But there
is something that I think matters. And this is where
I think being.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
One of the guys.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Like a lot of times, I'll watch politicians and I'll
think to myself, Oh, I'd like to have a beer
with that guy, And I always think that's the best
kind of politician. They're smart, they're passionate, they have some courage,
some fortitude, but there's like a relatability thing. Baker Mayfield
is great in close games. Brady, even though he was
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older in New England, great in close games. Darnald starting
to win these close games. Jack's actually through the year's
been pretty good in close games. Why is Kyler Murray
as great as he is? Why is he so bad
in close games? Nineteen thirty two and one and one
score games. Every stat in the fourth quarter goes down.
And I just don't know if he's a unifier. He
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always feels detached. He's not a lead us over the
hill when games get close. When fit hits the shan
in life, people aren't looking for talent, They're looking for guidance.
And I think I think the body language, the head shaking.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Again.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I will defend him and have defended him. Talent, no question,
He's the best slider.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
He's got a beautiful ball, he move and giving the
baseball background has helped him in football. But Baker is
so great this year in close games because Baker's.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Like, guys, get on my back.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I'm leading the way. You can see it with his
body language. And then I watched Kyler Murray It's just
like it's just sort of talented. I don't know, I
don't feel like that he's like a unifier in this league.
I mean that game last night, they all doesn't it
feel like they all end like this? How many games
this year have like ended on the final drive Seattle
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dominates the game, punishing them and have to need to
walk off to win.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's the league.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
It's about unity and connectibility and how close you are
and who's going to lead us over the hill. And
that's the Darnold walks into a brand new club with
a bunch of kids, and he feels totally connected to
JSN and Arroyo and Walker.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And the coaching staff. And Kyler's just really talented.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I mean, his career record when trailing by ten points
is eight and thirty six and one like like if
he's not playing well, I feel like he just shuts
it down. I never feel that with Baker. Baker's a
great come from behind quarterback. I think Kyler's got more
talent than Baker, I really do. But Baker is fighting
to the last play. Kyler's eight thirty six and one
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when he gets behind, and I just there's something about
the ability to unify and lead the way that I
always feel like he lacks. And here he was after
the loss.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Wasn't I wasn't clicking, was not clicking. You know, pretty
much can physically dominated whole first half. We just got
to make more place. We got to Goshal be ready
to go, you know what I mean. It's like we're
just floading, you know what I mean. And it's taking
too long.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Obviously there's the resilience of the team is you love
to see it and you feel like, give yourself a
chance to win the game at the end, but it's
just too late.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know, there is there a team in the NFL
that always has good players, is in a ton of
close games and just doesn't win a lot of them,
more than Arizona. And I think sometimes you got to
say well, who's the quarterback, who's the guy taking the
snaps late?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's not a lack of talent.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So J Mack, you have been bailing on Kyler Murray
for a long time, and there's been a lot of
reports that he's not obsessed about football and whatever I do,
I think he is.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I don't know. He's certainly good.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
But it was that was one of those games where
I don't know just the body language, the mannerism. Sometimes
I just kind of feel like when he trails, he bails,
and I think he can't do that as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
That's not a great moniker to slap on him, but
that sounds accurate. Another part of the handicap yesterday, Remember
I really like Seattle. Kyler just can't do anything against Seattle.
I think he's lost like six or seven in Rowe,
some ridiculous number. He just can't generate offense. Now, it's
obviously not all on in The offensive line was bad.
I think he got sacked six times. But I just
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need to ask you, Colin. When Josh Allen runs Buffalo
super dangerous, When Lamar Jackson runs Man Baltimore's tough, why
isn't Kyler Murray running anymore. He basically had five carries,
but one of them was twenty nine yards, So the
rest of the time it's like scrambles.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I remember I had somebody on our show his rookie year,
because I've been a fan since day one.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I think he's a huge talent, obviously.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, And it was that defensive lineman in the NFL
that had sacked him, and it was at the end
of his first year, and he goes, he said, man,
he didn't say it on the air. He set it off.
There's a good player still in the league. He said
he didn't like to get hit. He's a small guy
and he didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Like to get hit. He goes, I've hit a lot
of quarterbacks. He didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He does not like to get and I think some
of it is self preservation.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
He's a smaller athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I mean, it's listen, Josh Allen and Cam Newton and
Big Ben and Philip Rivers. Bigger, thicker guys can take hits.
Smaller guys. Tua can't take the beating. By the way,
Sam Darnold, my comp for him when he came out
was actually, I got a lot of crap for this
was Andrew Luck.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I said, I don't think he's as good as Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But I said, I think there's some Andrew Luck last
two years. Look at the numbers. It's Andrew Luck. So
my comp for him. But Andrew Luck, I thought was
a greater transformational talent who could overcome and maybe more
than any quarterback in fifteen years, Andrew Luck could overcome
bad stuff. Sam came into the league at twenty one.
He wasn't as good on the white board. It took
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him a while to develop, but he is becoming. I
thought he was, you know, I hate to say a
poor man's Andrew Luck, but I thought there was a
lot of qualities where he could be reckless. He was tough,
he was physical. He never took blame. He always took blame.
He never pointed fingers. But I think Sam's got the
Dak Pressot intangibles. But he's a really, really good athlete
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with a big arm.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yes, so Sam scrambling is effective for Seattle. Right, He's
great with his legs and I get it.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Kyler run.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
You said he's one of the best sliders in the league.
Colin listen, I want to do whatever's best for my
team to help us win. That should be the vibe.
I don't see him as like a big energy, raw raguy,
which is fine, not everybody is. But when you Patrick
Mahomes is screwing up, he's on the sideline fire and
everybody up.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I don't see no, yeah, no, I can see how
much Lamar cares. Lamar gets so mad at himself and
he's so hard on himself. And I can see my
homes how much they care, and I get I just
don't feel that and whatever that is and how much
that matters. I mean, I do look at stats a lot.
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Why is Kyler so bad when trailing by Tim? I
always said this about Aaron Rodgers in the body language.
Why does Aaron Rodgers have so few come from hind wins?
It's like shocking. Why I always said Aaron is a
little bit more of a Baylor than a baller. He's
not a fox old guy. I feel no, and I've
always felt that with Kyler. He's not a fox old guy.
He's just really gifted. Aaron's really gifted.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
There are guys, and I.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Think Baker Mayfield's a great example that dude plays hard.
Baker plays with a chip on his shoulder down twenty seven,
with a minute thirty left, he gives up no plays
and you get in his body language. He gets mad
at himself. I think that stuff does matter. Lazing five
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Speaker 3 (15:41):
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are live in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thank you for making house part of
your day. J Mack, I thought this was the strangest
thing I know.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
You love the Lakers. JJ Reddick got a contract extension.
Happy for him. I like him.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Didn't think he had a great playoff series at all,
but I did think he had a very good year.
I think they were very intentional Offensively, I thought he
was an upgrade over Darvin Ham offensively. For sure, he
had the respect of Lebron James. So I think I
thought he had a very good rookie year. I thought
he had a bad playoff series but again, you're talking
about one that Chris Finch. I mean, you're going up
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against one of the best coaching staffs in the league.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
So I didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I mean, he won fifty games, he deserved credit, but
they gave him a contract extension, and I thought that
was I thought he just signed a contract. It's not
like he had a massive market where the entire NBA
was like knocking down the door to get JJ Reddick.
But he got an extension yesterday after kind of a
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I wouldn't. I don't think even JJ Reddick would acknowledge.
I think he would acknowledge it was not a good
playoff series for him. Remember that weird experiment where he
did not he left his starters in was it the
entire second half and.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
They were gassed in the next game.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
And it had never been done before, so it took
a big swing, it backfired, and they gave him an extension.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Is that not WEIRDE?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Come on, let's lay off JJ rad He's a good guy.
He loves chat GPT, which I use a lot. I'm
using a lot for NFL gambling the season con There
is unbelievable info on there.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
JJ Reddick uses it. It's got to be good enough
for us, right.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I just thought usually how as season ends dictates how
ownership in front offices view you. I mean the NBA
regular season, Come on, I mean they stole Luca in
the postseason. You're like, he would admit kind of a clunker,
Like it was kind of a clunker against Minnesota. Took
a big swing on a move that had never been
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done and the team felt like it was gassed. And
I don't know, maybe maybe it's new ownership. Obviously they
had to be a green light.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It tells you.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
They liked the new skinny Luca, they like Reddick. Because
it seems like my guess on why the Lakers did this.
They are doubling down on Luca and JJ Reddick, it
being the future, not Lebron. They're saying all the right things.
Rob Pulink is like, oh, I hope he ends his career.
Ownership is sending a signal to Lebron. This is JJ
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Reddick and Luca's franchise. They're saying the right stuff on Lebron.
But what they're doing is Lebron, you're our third pitch.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Ac sends over words.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah and That's my guess is that new ownership is
just doubling down on Don't think for a second we're
not going to send messages. It is a Luca team,
and I've told you I think Luca this year ends
up averaging over thirty because when he's been in shape,
he takes the ball over, he doesn't give it back.
And Lebron's going to be watching a lot of basketball
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and one end of the floor not participating. All right, Hey,
they have the best week. I got some bad breaks. Undeterred.
Here's our blazing five.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Let's blaze it up.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Fired it up.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It's Collins Blazon five. H Kings versus Steelers.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Favorite bet on the board, I'm gonna take Minnesota minus
two and a half. I get the better offensive staff,
best better defense, I think right now, I don't know
why I would like Pittsburgh. Minnesota's won eleven of its
last thirteen regular season games, and they've been very good
on the road or away from home. I get Carson Wentz,
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Jordan Addison's back, Jordan Mason more than capable, Justin Jefferson.
I think I get a better offensive line. So I
like the offense and the defense. Ranks top five in
the league. The Steelers offense is a mess. They can't
run the ball, they can't protect Aaron Rodgers. This coaching
staff can't figure out.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
A run game.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I don't know why this line is only minus two
and a half. The Steelers under Tom Win have been
a good underdog team. They'll play like their hair's on fire.
But I think Minnesota twenty seven to twenty covers here.
Better staff, better offense, better defense. I'm a better road team.
I'm gonna take Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Panthers aid Patriots.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm taking the over forty three and a half. I
don't get the number. Listen, the Patriots outplayed the Steelers.
They just kept coughing it up Drake May. In the
last two weeks, it's completing seventy four percent.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Of his throws.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
The problem for them is they don't have a pass rush.
They're allowing the most big plays. So for New England
to win, they gotta win. They gotta score some points,
and I think they will because Carolina's defense, they don't
get to the quarterback either. I mean, they have one
sack through their first three games, so you're gonna get
a very comfortable Drake May, who's gonna have time at
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home to throw.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
The weather's not an issue. The bad weathers out of town.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You have two defenses that don't get after the quarterbacks,
and two quarterbacks when they're not pressured, who can complete
a lot of passes and move the chains.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I think it's this. I think we get points in
this game. Three New England wins take the over.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Bryce Young last week completed sixty seven percent of his throws.
If he's got time, he does that.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Colt sid rants.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I think it's a good spot for the Rams.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Sean McVay off a disappointing close loss, they come back home.
They have the second highest grade by PFF of.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Any team in the league.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Frams are a really good team that dominated Philly in
Philly for a half.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Pooka and Devonte.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Adams have been outstanding, the best receiving tandem in the league.
And the defense leaves the NFL in sacks. So Daniel
Jones and he has a good old line, is gonna
face real pressure. The offense last week for the Colts
came back down to earth a little. They were two
for eight on third down. They weren't very good and
their defense has major holes on the back end. This
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is not a great Colts defense on the back end, Pooka,
Tyron Williams, Matt Stafford McVeigh. At home, I think they
look much more comfortable. They beat the Colts thirty four
to twenty four. Thirty excuse me to twenty four. This
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is a good spot for the Rams at home against
an average beaten up secondary.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Take the Rams.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Bears in Raiders.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I like the Raiders. They're a slight favorite. I like
the Raiders. Gino Smith.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Do you know this leads the NFL in big past plays,
second in passing yards only behind Justin Herbert. When Gino
has time to throw often this year he hasn't. He
can sling it, and I think it's the great opportunity
to get the running game going. The bigger story here
is we're concentrating on Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson for
the Bears defense has not been good and they're a
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terrible road team, one to eight on the road last
nine games. Caleb has been bad on the road. The
Bears have been a bad road team, and their defense
is allowing six point seven yards of play. We're not
talking about the fact that the Bears defense is opposing
quarterbacks are completing seventy five percent of their throwes against
the Chicago Bears. Bad road team. The Raiders come back
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home trying to establish some offensive dominance up front against
the team. I think they'll run the ball on I do.
I think Jenti has a breakout game. I'm going to
take the Raiders to win it. Twenty seven to twenty three.
Bengals and Broncos. Okay, Broncos are coming off two rough
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road losses. They lost both games when time expired. Denver's
got the much better defense. Denver's got the better head coach.
Denver's got tremendous personnel up front. Defensively, I mean to
have the second best red zone defense, so even when
you get down into the red zone, it is hard
to get touchdowns out of Denver. They lead the NFL
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in sacks. They also get their tight end, Evan Ingram back.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
This is big.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
This is big because Vonnicks hadn't have been great throwing
the ball deep this year. They've missed on big plays.
So Evan Ingram is in that twelve to fourteen yard space.
Big for Denver's offense. The Bengals worst rushing attack in
the league. Putting more pressure on an average quarterback Jake Browning.
They don't do a lot well offensively. You see the screen.
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I think Denver is an undervalued team with a much
better roster against the shaky O line, an excellent pass rush.
I think Denver controls the game. Bo Nicks, by the way,
not great in September last year. Finally Clicks thirty twenty.
They cover the spread. Take the Denver Broncos so once again,
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looking at our picks, I like favorites this weekend.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Vikings good road team.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I think they have the better staff, better weapons, better
run game, and playing better defensively. Minnesota to cover Panther's Patriots,
I think score points. I'm surprised at the O only
forty three and a half. The weather's cleared. I think
it's a great spot for the Rams to cover. I
don't like the Bears on the road. I can't go crazy.
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Bears are probably the worst road team in the league,
and I'm gonna take Denver so. I will say this,
I think the one team in the league that's actually
really really good that hasn't looked like it is the
Denver Broncos So. Bow Knicks last year was really bad
in September. Bow Knicks this year hasn't been good in September.
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What a coincidence. Drew Brees his worst month as a
Saint was September. Why My theory has always been, Sean
Peyton puts a lot on your plate. And in Drew
Brees's last three or four years in New Orleans, starters
don't play in the preseason. Bow Nicks didn't taking a
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lot of snaps in the preseason, and Sean Payton puts
a lot on your plate. And I think it takes October, November,
and December for Breeze and bow Knicks to get their
arms around the playbook. Sean Payton's career record in September
Sean Payton's five hundred, thirty and thirty. The rest of
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his career in October on is fifty and seventeen. So
Sean Peyton and his quarterbacks do not play well in September,
Isn't that crazy? Sean Payton an all time coach, five
hundred in September, Drew Brees average in September. Drew Brees
one of the best quarterbacks of all time. So I
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think as we get closer to the end, you get
a very weak defensive personnel in Cincinnati. They can't run
the ball third and longs. I think they popped this weekend.
And here was Sean Payton on the early struggles of
bow Nicks.
Speaker 9 (26:49):
Just keep firing. You know he's going to hit plenty
of those. One of the things that's a gift is
his off schedule throws. So you just want to be
careful how much you tell. And then I think part
of it is when you when you settle into certain plays,
there's a rhythm to you know, the mechanics.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, so there are things that are not a coincidence.
Sean Payton never been a great September coach, which goes
against everything. Drew brees all timer worst month was September.
Bo Nick suddenly wish Sean Payton really struggles in September.
Now you're saying to yourself, well, it's still September. I
believe this is a great spot. Extra day, you know,
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they get the extra day at prep. They're at home,
high altitude, beat up defense for Cincinnati this game, I
think they click and they looked apart. I think this
is the last really special team in the NFL that
hasn't looked special yet. For the record that that Colt's game,
they had one, they rekicked and lost Chargers game. Couple
opportunities missed on big opportunities downfield. All right, Dave want
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stats around the corner on the Bears, on USC, on
the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
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Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know a lot of times, especially in pro football,
because you've got a billionaire owner and a coach making
between nine and a half and fourteen and a half million,
and you've got a quarterback making three hundred million, there's
you know, we all know who's got the power in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
It's the owner, it's the star coach, and it's the
star quarterback. GMS. Howie Roseman is a total exception.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Even John Snyder almost threatened to leave Seattle as one
of the top personnel guys unless he got more power,
and then Pete got pushed out. So in the NFL,
we know who has the power in the league. Like
in college football, the coach has it always the coach
has it, or the big donor has it. But in
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the football, you know, there's an old business saying a
problem well defined, is a problem half solved.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
The bigger issue in the NFL isn't who has the power.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I mean, we know with the Chargers it's the owner,
the Spanos family, Jim Harbaugh and Herbert. Herbert just doesn't
use it. But in the NFL a lot of times
it's not who has the power, it's what's the problem.
You have a problem when people can't agree on what
the problem is. You know, the coach didn't he wasn't
hired by the GM Like in Chicago right now, everybody
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thinks the problems. Caleb Williams, I would argue the problem
with the Bears is the ownership and the executive suite.
I think the quarterback's really talented, and I think the
coach is really smart.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
You know, you can't get agreement.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Howie Roseman has so much control in Philadelphia, he will
decide what the problems are and he will address them.
I think with Kansas City, you know, we know everybody
can agree what the problem is because Brett Veach is
a good and Andy Reid's a brilliant coach, and Mahomes
is one of the greatest ever. We just know it's
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a personnel issue. On offense. They've missed on a couple receivers.
Travis Kelsey's old and expensive. Mahomes is expensive and receivers
a hard position to draft. Even when they got it
right with Rashid Rice, he does something that's not very
smart and now.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
He's suspended for six games.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And then you get Worthy and he's really good, but
he's small, runs in the Kelsey and he gets hurt.
So a lot of canvas of these issues are we
know who has the power, and we know it's not scheme.
I think you have to just everybody in the room
has to go. Our problem is here, we don't have
good enough players. Dave Wantstett has a belief on how
to correct it, but again I don't know if they
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have the personnel to correct what Dave Wantstett, who was
our guest earlier has as a solution.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
That Eagle Super Bowl when they were behind by ten
at halftime and Mahomes was limping, and they came out
the second half, and what did they do. They ran
the ball with Pacheco, remember, and that's how they won
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
They ran the football.
Speaker 10 (31:06):
I thought that that would Andy Reid would get back
to that more. What's the easiest thing to do to
help your quarterback run the ball, and they just haven't
really made a big, in my mind, a big commitment
to running the football.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And my question is, well they let Joe Toney go
they couldn't afford Joe Toney. Well, Joe Toney has made
the Bears better up front and had his loss is significant.
So I mean for the record, when I mean, you
could probably go look this up. When Toony left the Patriots,
their own line wasn't as good, and Tony left the
Chiefs and their own lines not as good. And the
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Bears all line this year is better than last year.
So when you have one of the you know, one
of the two or three best interior blockers in Joe Toney,
a tough guy, a smart guy, a leader, I don't
think they can run the ball. I think Kansas City
this weekend, if you gave me three points, I would
take the Chiefs at home at two and a half.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Stay away.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But I mean right now, the Kansas City Chiefs leading
rusher is Mahomes and that's the problem. They don't want
that to be the case because Mahomes more than once
in his career has got banged up and he's limping around.
He's not one hundred percent. I mean Jalen Hurts had
that for about a year before Saquon Barkley. You remember
that before Saquon Barkley. Jalen Hurts felt like he was
planning about eighty percent for two years. And then they
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get Saquon Barkley. And now Jalen Hurts feels like he's
been healthy for a good year and a half two years.
So they don't want Mahomes to be the leading rusher.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think I just don't.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I don't think it's sustainable to have your quarterback as
a leading rusher. I don't think they want it, but
I think it's And this is not a knock.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
On the GM.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You pay the quarterback, you and and and they've also
you got to pay Chris Jones. Kelsey gets paid, Mahomes
gets paid. They didn't want to let go of Joe Tooney.
That was not what they wanted to do. Watch their games.
There's no jews. You watched Seattle last night. You see jews.
I mean even Arizona. I see players. I just don't
see the leadership. So that's where we are. You know,
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j Mack, I haven't ask you your NFL picture at
the end of the show. I generally take the home
team in college football, and they're two good teams. I
think the interesting one to me is Ohio State and Washington.
So Washington is unranked, they should be ranked, but they're unranked.
Ohio State's number one at Husky Stadium's an advantage. What's
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sneaky about that game is Julian say In, the quarterback
for Ohio State, is young. He has never played on
the road in this environment. He played Texas, but he
was at home. He's a very good, great high school player.
It's just hard to see an unranked team beat the
number one team in the country. And Ohio State's got
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the recruiting and the nil rolling.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah, let me ask you, Colin.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
That Ohio State win over Texas at the moment initially
looked great.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
What about in hindsight, Texas has been middling against Directional
State University the last like three weeks.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Do we know if Texas is that good? Well, again,
I'm not bashing Ohio State at all. I'm just starting
to question that Texas went in the same way LSU
Clemson like that. LSU wouldn't look great now it's like
Clemson ain't great, what's the big deal?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
No, I mean, Ohio State running back room was much
better last year. They were much more explosive out of
the backfield last year. There's no question. I think Ohio
State was a much better team last year. I also
think a lot of the complimentary offensive players get drafted,
like Ibukau and now Smith, the superstar wide receiver. Teams
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are much more capable of doubling him and bracketing him.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
You couldn't last year.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
You had him on one side, the freshman you have
a book. On the other side, you just they're just
and they had an unbelievable backfield, so you couldn't cheat.
I mean last year when you played Ohio State, you
could not cheat. Like it was just first rounder on
that side, first rounder on the other side. Two elite
running backs, experienced quarterback. O line got banged up, but
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it was good. So it was a hard team to
face even if you had Tennessee athletes, if you had
Texas athletes, Ohio State was hard to face last year.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
You couldn't cheat. They're not as dynamic in the backfield.
Ibuka is a big loss.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
He would be for any program, so They're talented, but
they don't feel as dynamic. And now they send a
very young and experienced quarterback in one of the loudest
venues against the Washington team that's gonna drop twenty eight
points on everybody in the country. So that is a
to me, that is a fascinating game. I just historically,
I'm going to take a number one team over an
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unranked team. But Washington's about as good as you can
be to be unranked in college football. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
By the way, is it going to rain, because I
know all it does in the Northwest is reign.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Is it going to rain at that wide he's not
in the slow down?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Hey, by the way, we went to Seattle last summer.
It's amazing. I love that city.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Urban Meyer big noon kickoff. He's at the USC Illinois
game tomorrow and he is joining.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Us now live. Okay, So let's just ask you.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I anytime you go into a game with a young
quarterback into a hostile environment, a coaching staff generally thinks,
all right, let's get him some early, easy completions.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Let's not put them in weird environments.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
But that kind of plays into Washington's hand because Washington's
gonna come into this thing with big swings. They've got
an NFL elite receiver, an unbelievable quarterback, a star running back.
So I would at Washington, they're gonna their take is
going to be so we're not beating these guys without
taking big swings. Ohio State may do the opposite and
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let's bring it in, let's slow it down.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
And that could get the crowd riled up. I mean,
do you are you worried for.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
Ohio State in the spot? I'm worried about the early
part of the game. And I would always tell teams
going into that the mindset is that as a prize fight,
you're going to take some brutal shots or only in
the game just because the crowd, and you have to
understand the hotspots. The hotspots are third downs, the hotspots
are red zone and then punt and field go. That's
when the stadium becomes electric. But the best thing to
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slow down to the stadium and calm down the stadium
is to sustained drive. So I always tell our players,
and I said this early in the Texas game for
arch Manning as well, get two first downs.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That's your job as a quarterback.
Speaker 7 (37:13):
That way you automatically flip the field and you can
slow everything down a little bit, but they'd make a
mistake that just come out guns blazing in this game.
In my opinion, let this let the game slow down
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
How do you do that? Sustained drives?
Speaker 7 (37:26):
And I don't think defense Washington's defense is that great,
so I think they can do come out of the
game a nice ten play drive. Crowd goes away in
the second quarter.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I think people Buka is such a great player now
he's in the NFL. Last year, you had two elite receivers,
two elite backs. I think your quarterback had more experience.
Ohio State doesn't quite look like it quite has the
offensive juice.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (37:53):
I think they're still coming along, Carnell tait I said,
And that's the number two receiver for Ohio State. That's
the biggest question mark because he got all the skill
set you need to be a high draft pick and
to take some pressure off Jeremi Smith. But Jeremi Smith
had the perfect scenario. Last year. He had at Mecha.
On the other side, he had two great running backs.
Those are all gone. So it still remains to be
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seeing because Texas like I heard you say earlier, how
good is Texas in the last three games?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
To me were just warm up games. We're going to
find out here in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
All right, let's talk to USC and Illinois. You know,
you and I talked years ago about this US. He
got small and then the nil came and I think
joining the big ten. Lincoln Riley looked at his roster
and said, Okay, Michigan Pentake, we have to go buy size.
And I got to tell you Urban their defensive front
for the first time since Pete Carroll. They got five
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or six guys that are big. Now a couple of
them are freshmen. But do they look different to you,
at least just physically look different.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
Wellin two seconds after turning on the film, I actually
called their line coach, Zach Hanson. Zach Hanson, I believe
his name is Yeah, and he's terrific, and he said that.
He said they had a staff meeting and the focus
of recruiting went from obviously great skill, that you still
need that, but they realized against Penn State, Ohio State,
the Wolverines, etc. You're going to get punched in the face.
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You better get big. This is the biggest and most
NFL draft picks in the offensive line that they've had,
probably since of Pete Carroll air like you just said,
on the defensive side. So completely different looking team. And
I want to add this, I was talking to Matt
Leiner about this. A physical offense line changes your program.
How practice is different, the weight room's different, the way
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you approach the games different. If you're a finesse team,
your program becomes finesse, and obviously that gets you only
so far.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
For the record, you know, people look at Lincoln Riley
and think, oh, he loves to pass, But if you
go back to Oklahoma, he ran the ball all the time.
I think when I've watched every snap of every almost
every snap this season in US see, I think they're
a run first team.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
What do you see?
Speaker 7 (39:57):
There's no doubt that's exactly And you're right about Riley.
He you know, he comes across as an air raid guy.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
He's not.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
I call him a spread coach, a spread option or
a spread coach wants to run the pound the ball
first and that opens everything up. So Lincoln Riley, I'm
telling you, this is a This is a playoff looking team.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
To me.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
The other ones were not playoff looking teams. They were
fast teams that that scored points. They were not a
playoff team.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So Oregon's going to Penn State. So Oregon has not
Dante More, the quarterback has played, you know, Stanford, Arizona,
San Diego State. He never played in the stadium like this.
This thing is nuts. You played in this stadium and
Oregon's young. Are you concerned they get a little overwhelmed
in this spot against the Nidney Lions.
Speaker 7 (40:41):
Yeah, I've said Penn State overtook LSU to me as
the number one most difficult place I've ever been in
wide out at night. It's choreographed, it's it's a must watch.
It's something that you need to see this. And he
has never been in this You're right, And I taught coach.
Lanny called me this week and he heard me talk
about State and as I grew as a coach, the
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thing you need to do is practice. And I mentioned
to the SECO is the stadium is not always loud.
It's loud during third downs.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
So what do you do?
Speaker 7 (41:10):
You practice that or you come up with some kind
of scheme. We would do tempo that means you go
real fast on third down. And not let the crowd
get into it. The other thing is red zone.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
What do you do?
Speaker 7 (41:20):
You go put those speakers right behind you in the
red zone of practice so you're ready for it.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
And then the other one.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
We lost a game there in two thousand and I
think sixteen fifteen fifteen, I believe, and that was because
we've got a field goal blocked. And that's another hotspot.
So again, third downs, red zone, field goal and punt.
Those are when the stadium becomes unglued, you better practice it.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, you know, I was thinking about you this week.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I thought Mike Dunny was a good coach, but he
didn't pivot very well on nil and Dabbo similarly, I
think it's a very good coach. And I've said this before,
you know, Bobby and I didn't want to do one,
and done Zevsky initially didn't, then he embraced it. Is
that nothing ruins or punctures brilliance like rigidity and stubbornness.
And I look at Dabo and I watched them against
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Syracuse last week and I my only takeaway was they've
got a few really high end players, like defensively, but
I don't know if they have the depth of athlete
of Ohio State or Penn State, and they haven't gone
into the transfer portal, and everybody thinks her.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
But if you go to the transfer portal, it's just
to get five star guys.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Sometimes it's to get another slot corner or a second
tight end. I just didn't feel Clemson was talented like
LSU talent at Ohio State. What do you think their
problem is?
Speaker 7 (42:41):
So I talked to Dabbo before the season and he
made a comment to me, this is a national championship
calaider team. He felt there was depth, he felt that
he had a Heisman candidate, a quarterback. It's still early.
I got a feeling they're going to find a way
to run off a bunch of wins at a you know,
kind of average acc and they kind of get things organized.
But you know, you mentioned Mike Gundy as well. I'd
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put those guys in the same category because to me,
Mike Gundy was untouchable. He is Oklahoma State. But Tulsa
goes in here and beats them. Nelson, that guy becomes touchable.
So Dubbo, I'm not ready to that ship's not going
to say. First of all, Dablos Sweeney's not going anywhere.
I think Klempston comes back. Maybe it's not one of
his best teams, but it's certainly good enough to at
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least compete for ACC championship.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Finally, Urban Meyer and I'll see him tomorrow on Big
Newon kickoff, I said, I always thought the Big ten
was top heavy, but it wasn't good enough at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
It wasn't quite as fast as I'd like it.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
It needed a little spice. The jumbaliye I need a
little spice. I think Oregon, Washington, Jedfish, USC they really
it was a perfect mesh. It's forced the West Coast
teams to get bigger and buy size, and it's made
the Big ten fast, creative, fun better quarterbacks. I mean,
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I can't believe how well it's worked. Are you surprised
by Listen? Oregon won the conference last year. I think
Washington this year is going to be very dangerous.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
USC is back. Did you think it would be that
it would work this well?
Speaker 7 (44:12):
No, I thought that PAC twelve would kind of come
into conference and get pushed you around a little bit.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
That's not what happened.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
I think the PAC twelve teams before you mentioned that
elevated the Big Ten right now. I did something on
Urban Analysis on the Big Ten Network that it's the best.
There's seven quarterbacks right now I think are the best
that I in my lifetime. The depth of quarterback position
in the Big Ten is better than it's ever been.
The style of play now the bottom of the Big
ten's bad. There's some really bad teams at the bottom.
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But I'm telling you what, this is very SEC Looking
back when the SEC you know there's much more depth.
You got Indiana. I think the Illinois team just they
got hammered a little bit. They're still a good football team.
And this is with Wisconsin and Michigan. State's still going
through a rebuild. Once those teams get back, if they
do get back, I mean the Big Ten conferences. I
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think it's a no more conference for college football. Urban Meyer,
Fox Sports college football coach.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I'll see you tomorrow. Can't wait to see you. Call
it all right, Urban Meyer, a friend, uh and just
a terrific work for us.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I cannot wait. Husky Stadium, Oregon. On the road at
Penn State, Urban said's the hardest place. Now it's surpassed
l s U and USC down the road Jmack.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
With the news.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
No, no, this is the Herdline news.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
All right, big guy, let's get started with Lamar Jackson Colin.
He's been one of the few break spots for a
Ravens team that is one and two.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
Obviously, he was runner up to Josh Allen last year
for League MVP. Entering this weekend's matchup against the Chiefs,
Chris Jones spoke about Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 11 (45:49):
Any playing a game, he can, he can change the name,
mix of it. So you know, with him, it's always
tough to play. I guesst somewhere and about Timore RAVEI
it's you know, stopping Lamar's one. Ain't trying to contain
him as another. And over the years you look how
prolific as a passer he's become. I think he's completing
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seventy percent of his passes, which I think he should
have won MVP last year.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Have so much respect for him, Yeah, you know, many
many people did.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
Maybe it's just me, but did you not think Lamar
seemed uncertain against Detroit in the pocket, he seemed to
do a lot of pump fakes and next thing you know,
he's on his back because Aida Hutchinson and company were
breathing down. I don't know what was going on, but
if I were looking at props, I would be targeting
Lamar Jackson over rushing yards.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
This feels to me right, high profile game against Mahomes
and the Chiefs. Lamar's like, I ain't letting us lose, guys.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
I'm going down swinging and I'm doing everything I can,
and that probably means with his legs.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
I don't like the Chiefs linebackers either. Find out. Let's
move on now.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
This is spicy.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
I gotta choose my words carefully. CJ.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Stroud and the Texans offense has struggled through the first
three games, by the way, dating back to the last
in they're just five and nine in their last fourteen,
averaging only nineteen points per game. So Diana Russini was
talking about CJ. Stroud and if you listen closely, Colin,
we have a percolating situation in Houston.
Speaker 12 (47:17):
They are still trying to figure themselves out on offense.
They have a new play caller, they have a different
looking offensive line. I still think they're they're working some
kinks out. So he's still good.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
I'm not on this. I'm not in the camp.
Speaker 12 (47:35):
He's rooting his opportunity here to get some mega extension.
I still think CJ. Stroud can play. I just think
there's still a lot of work to be done and
there's some there's some things going on behind the scenes
that that that I think we're going to find out
about soon.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Oh that is spicy.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
Okay, again, I gotta choose my words carefully because I
don't want to start a brush fire.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
We don't have a lot of evidence here, Okay. That
being said, there was a weird article in the New
York Times this.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
Week about is CJ. Stroud playing his way out of
an extension? And we would laugh at that, right, Like,
come on, CJ. Shroud, he's great.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
So he shares an agent with Michaeh Parsons. Colin and
c J.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
Stroud and Michael Parsons really were buddy buddy a couple
summers ago, hanging out a lot after Stroud's great rookie year,
and Michaeh Parsons had an interesting end to this offseason, right,
he kind of got in an argument with Jerry Jones
and forced his way out of town and was traded.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Do you think c J. Stroud is long for the Texans.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
That's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
I'm not trying to start something.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
We don't know what's going on, but Russini hinting stuff
behind the scenes. They are on their new offensive court
in remember they dumped the guy last year slowick their
offensive line is what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Stroud playing poorly?
Speaker 4 (48:54):
You think CJ. Stroud is locked in in Houston?
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I not after your two minutes segment there, no.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
So he uh you know he's from California, right, Oh?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Rams maybe seeking another quarter of the I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
I mean, would you think he'd love to play with McVeigh?
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Very interesting.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
I don't know. I'm not trying to start something, but.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
McBay McVeigh does like pocket quarterbacks, He like golf, he
likes Stafford. C J.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Stroud he didn't need he likes you to run his play.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Rands have a couple more extra draft picks, don't they.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Ooh, very now you're onto something two ones for CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
It's gonna cost more than that.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
But uh, I know not when he's coming off back
to back bad.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Seasons and Texas are not moving off in that easily.
But it's just a fun story. I thought I put
out there Jamie.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
J.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line news.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
I mean, does C. J.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Stroud get more than two first round picks? I don't
think not off back to back bad years.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
I don't think so. If he's off great years, it's
worth three and a five.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
But if you're off bad to back back to back
bad seasons, you're not winning games. You're not getting three
first round pick, two first rounders in the same draft.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Well, I remember Snead was able to pull off the
golf swap for Stafford. Obviously there would be no swap here.
But uh, the fact that Michaeh. Parsons got traded because
nobody thought we were good, they were gonna trade him
and he shares an agent with Stroud mildly interesting. And
now Houston fans are probably very upset with us.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
But don't be mad. Be mad at you.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I didn't say anything, all right, Jmack around the corners
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac went
out on the town last night, watched the Seahawks with
a friend. A lot of energy, a lot of energy,
and I'm you know, I try never to be a Homer.
I try not to be. It's hard, you know, you
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grow up with certain teams. But Arroyo, JSN, Kenneth Walker,
Sam Arnold defensive coach, and I do think they have
as good a GM as the league has outside of
Howie Roseman. I see Seattle, I see a lot of talent.
I see a super Bowl capable team. I do after
that performance last night, making your Super Bowl bubble pick
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look kind of sharp?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Huh, kind of did so?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I mean, there's no greater example of where you land
matters than Sam Darnold, USC, Jets, Carolina, Especially Jets and Carolina.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
They asked him at.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
A very young age carry the franchise the last two stops,
good coaches, good roster. Suddenly he's elite, and oh yeah,
he's elite. Last two years, he's tied for the most
wins in the league by a quarterback. He's tied for
the most game winning drives with Patrick Mahome, and he
leads the NFL in big plays. And this is the
second youngest offensive roster. So he's doing it with kids.
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Rookie tight end jsn the rookie from Colorado State Walker
is still young though he's doing it with kids. So
people say, well, at the end of last season, he
got blown out. I've seen Mahomes get blown out in
two Super Bowls. I love Lamar Jackson. I've seen him
freeze in the headlights multiple games in the playoffs. If
you look at what have the Jets and the Panthers
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done since Sam Darnold left, they remain pathetic. Sometimes winners
in life can't elevate every loser.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
High school.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
He was a winner, USC Rose Bowl, he was a winner, Vikings,
He's a winner. Seattle, He's a winner. Nobody can help
the Jets and the Panthers, so like not everybody can elevate,
elevate everything. Four straight seasons with better coaching. Oh, his
completion percentage keeps going up. Leads the NFL in big plays.
When he went to New York, he was ridiculously young.
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He was twenty one years old, and he wasn't ready
for New York. And New York the Jets aren't ready
for any quarterback. So I look at Sam and I
look at this young roster, and I think it's amazing.
We know, oh, Green Bay is a really young roster,
but Jordan loves been in the building for so long.
He's grown with these guys. So Jordan loves young. The
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roster's young, but he's been in the mix for years.
Donald keeps bouncing around to teams everywhere he goes. It
works Minnesota with a veteran left tackle and a veteran
star receiver.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It worked.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Now he goes to Seattle, the opposite their kid's second
youngest offense in the league, to Green Bay and it
clicks jsn Arroyo. It shows you the work, it shows
you the leadership. You know, I was thinking about this
last night watching him. I actually think Donald has great intangibles.
And I've always said this about Dak Prescott. I don't
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love the arm of Dak. I don't think he throws
the prettiest ball. I think Sam Darnold is Dak with
better tangibles. Both have great intangibles. They're loved by teammates,
one of the guys alpha without the ego. They're both
the kind of the same guy, Dak and Donald. Donald's
got the bigger arm, Donald's the better athlete. Both tough,
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So I don't know. I just look at Sam Donald
and high school USC and Rose Bulls, Seattle, Minnesota. When
you've surrounded him with winners and quality people and quality teammates,
Sam wins a lot, tied for the league lead and wins.
And I think it's impressive that he's doing it with
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Seattle because you know, Minnesota had some older star players.
You can go to a safety, a left tackle, the
star receiver there was, older star players are running back.
This is a young team. He just plopped into Seattle.
And it's already working. That is a much harder win
than you think. Division rival, short week, young team on
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the road, Arizona's always fight. Arizona's got a lot of
good offensive players. So here was Mike McDonald, the young
head coach, on Sam Donald don't win last night.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Sam's playing out of his mind right now.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And you see him.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
He's just like just I guess, such a cool customer,
but he's a guy on a mission.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
He's just so determined for us to be a great
team and a great offense.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And he's doing a great job leading us. He certainly is.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And I said yesterday I put the Seahawks in the
Super Bowl bubble. The Athletic came out with this survey
this week judging the best front offices in the NFL,
and it was all the teams that draft and develop. Well,
you can argue that John Snyder is as good a
personnel guy as the NFL has the GM. I mean,
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all I see with Seattle is they just don't miss
they don't miss on a lot of draft picks. And
now they've they've got this young defensive coach, kind of
their version of Jesse Minter. And Donald's a playmaker. When
you put him around players and smart coaches. Sam Donald's
he's elite. So I was watching Kyler Murray last night.
(06:00):
I have defended Kyler Murray from his first day in
the league. I defended him when the owner called him
out for lack of study habits. I think he's an
insane talent. But I do think privately watching last night,
if he asked the owner and the GM and the
head coach and they could wiggle out of the contract
and move.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
On, I think they would.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He's not terribly verbal. I feel like sometimes he feels detached.
I don't feel like he's obsessed with football, but I
don't know him well enough to have strong opinions. I
will defend his talent forever. But when I see Mahomes
barking at his teammates on the sideline, or Lamar Jackson
is the soul of the offense, or Stafford and McVeigh,
they're totally in sync. And I always watched Kyler Murray
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and I'm like, he's the fifth longest ten year quarterback
in the league.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Fifth, who's he close to? Who's he connected to?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So I'm watching last night and again I've defended him
the entire time, and he has a market. But there
is something that I think matters. And this is where
I think being.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
One of the guys.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Like a lot of times, I'll watch politicians and I'll
think to myself, Oh, I'd like to have a beer
with that guy, And I always think that's the best
kind of politician. They're smart, they're passionate, they have some courage,
some fortitude, but there's like a relatability thing. Baker Mayfield
is great in close games. Brady, even though he was
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older in New England, great in close games. Darnald starting
to win these close games. Jack's actually through the year's
been pretty good in close games. Why is Kyler Murray
as great as he is? Why is he so bad
in close games? Nineteen thirty two and one and one
score games. Every stat in the fourth quarter goes down.
And I just don't know if he's a unifier. He
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always feels detached. He's not a lead us over the
hill when games get close. When fit hits the shan
in life, people aren't looking for talent, They're looking for guidance.
And I think I think the body language, the head shaking.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Again.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I will defend him and have defended him. Talent, no question,
He's the best slider.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
He's got a beautiful ball, he move and giving the
baseball background has helped him in football. But Baker is
so great this year in close games because Baker's.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Like, guys, get on my back.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I'm leading the way. You can see it with his
body language. And then I watched Kyler Murray It's just
like it's just sort of talented. I don't know, I
don't feel like that he's like a unifier in this league.
I mean that game last night, they all doesn't it
feel like they all end like this? How many games
this year have like ended on the final drive Seattle
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dominates the game, punishing them and have to need to
walk off to win.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's the league.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
It's about unity and connectibility and how close you are
and who's going to lead us over the hill. And
that's the Darnold walks into a brand new club with
a bunch of kids, and he feels totally connected to
JSN and Arroyo and Walker.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And the coaching staff. And Kyler's just really talented.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I mean, his career record when trailing by ten points
is eight and thirty six and one like like if
he's not playing well, I feel like he just shuts
it down. I never feel that with Baker. Baker's a
great come from behind quarterback. I think Kyler's got more
talent than Baker, I really do. But Baker is fighting
to the last play. Kyler's eight thirty six and one
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when he gets behind, and I just there's something about
the ability to unify and lead the way that I
always feel like he lacks. And here he was after
the loss.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Wasn't I wasn't clicking, was not clicking. You know, pretty
much can physically dominated whole first half. We just got
to make more place. We got to Goshal be ready
to go, you know what I mean. It's like we're
just floading, you know what I mean. And it's taking
too long.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Obviously there's the resilience of the team is you love
to see it and you feel like, give yourself a
chance to win the game at the end, but it's
just too late.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know, there is there a team in the NFL
that always has good players, is in a ton of
close games and just doesn't win a lot of them,
more than Arizona. And I think sometimes you got to
say well, who's the quarterback, who's the guy taking the
snaps late?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's not a lack of talent.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So J Mack, you have been bailing on Kyler Murray
for a long time, and there's been a lot of
reports that he's not obsessed about football and whatever I do,
I think he is.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I don't know. He's certainly good.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
But it was that was one of those games where
I don't know just the body language, the mannerism. Sometimes
I just kind of feel like when he trails, he bails,
and I think he can't do that as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
That's not a great moniker to slap on him, but
that sounds accurate. Another part of the handicap yesterday, Remember
I really like Seattle. Kyler just can't do anything against Seattle.
I think he's lost like six or seven in Rowe,
some ridiculous number. He just can't generate offense. Now, it's
obviously not all on in The offensive line was bad.
I think he got sacked six times. But I just
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need to ask you, Colin. When Josh Allen runs Buffalo
super dangerous, When Lamar Jackson runs Man Baltimore's tough, why
isn't Kyler Murray running anymore. He basically had five carries,
but one of them was twenty nine yards, So the
rest of the time it's like scrambles.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I remember I had somebody on our show his rookie year,
because I've been a fan since day one.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I think he's a huge talent, obviously.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, And it was that defensive lineman in the NFL
that had sacked him, and it was at the end
of his first year, and he goes, he said, man,
he didn't say it on the air. He set it off.
There's a good player still in the league. He said
he didn't like to get hit. He's a small guy
and he didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Like to get hit. He goes, I've hit a lot
of quarterbacks. He didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He does not like to get and I think some
of it is self preservation.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
He's a smaller athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I mean, it's listen, Josh Allen and Cam Newton and
Big Ben and Philip Rivers. Bigger, thicker guys can take hits.
Smaller guys. Tua can't take the beating. By the way,
Sam Darnold, my comp for him when he came out
was actually, I got a lot of crap for this
was Andrew Luck.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I said, I don't think he's as good as Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But I said, I think there's some Andrew Luck last
two years. Look at the numbers. It's Andrew Luck. So
my comp for him. But Andrew Luck, I thought was
a greater transformational talent who could overcome and maybe more
than any quarterback in fifteen years, Andrew Luck could overcome
bad stuff. Sam came into the league at twenty one.
He wasn't as good on the white board. It took
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him a while to develop, but he is becoming. I
thought he was, you know, I hate to say a
poor man's Andrew Luck, but I thought there was a
lot of qualities where he could be reckless. He was tough,
he was physical. He never took blame. He always took blame.
He never pointed fingers. But I think Sam's got the
Dak Pressot intangibles. But he's a really, really good athlete
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with a big arm.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yes, so Sam scrambling is effective for Seattle. Right, He's
great with his legs and I get it.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Kyler run.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
You said he's one of the best sliders in the league.
Colin listen, I want to do whatever's best for my
team to help us win. That should be the vibe.
I don't see him as like a big energy, raw raguy,
which is fine, not everybody is. But when you Patrick
Mahomes is screwing up, he's on the sideline fire and
everybody up.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I don't see no, yeah, no, I can see how
much Lamar cares. Lamar gets so mad at himself and
he's so hard on himself. And I can see my
homes how much they care, and I get I just
don't feel that and whatever that is and how much
that matters. I mean, I do look at stats a lot.
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Why is Kyler so bad when trailing by Tim? I
always said this about Aaron Rodgers in the body language.
Why does Aaron Rodgers have so few come from hind wins?
It's like shocking. Why I always said Aaron is a
little bit more of a Baylor than a baller. He's
not a fox old guy. I feel no, and I've
always felt that with Kyler. He's not a fox old guy.
He's just really gifted. Aaron's really gifted.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
There are guys, and I.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Think Baker Mayfield's a great example that dude plays hard.
Baker plays with a chip on his shoulder down twenty seven,
with a minute thirty left, he gives up no plays
and you get in his body language. He gets mad
at himself. I think that stuff does matter. Lazing five
and forty five minutes.
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Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thank you for making house part of
your day. J Mack, I thought this was the strangest
thing I know.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
You love the Lakers. JJ Reddick got a contract extension.
Happy for him. I like him.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Didn't think he had a great playoff series at all,
but I did think he had a very good year.
I think they were very intentional Offensively, I thought he
was an upgrade over Darvin Ham offensively. For sure, he
had the respect of Lebron James. So I think I
thought he had a very good rookie year. I thought
he had a bad playoff series but again, you're talking
about one that Chris Finch. I mean, you're going up
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against one of the best coaching staffs in the league.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
So I didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I mean, he won fifty games, he deserved credit, but
they gave him a contract extension, and I thought that
was I thought he just signed a contract. It's not
like he had a massive market where the entire NBA
was like knocking down the door to get JJ Reddick.
But he got an extension yesterday after kind of a
(16:47):
I wouldn't. I don't think even JJ Reddick would acknowledge.
I think he would acknowledge it was not a good
playoff series for him. Remember that weird experiment where he
did not he left his starters in was it the
entire second half and.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
They were gassed in the next game.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
And it had never been done before, so it took
a big swing, it backfired, and they gave him an extension.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Is that not WEIRDE?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Come on, let's lay off JJ rad He's a good guy.
He loves chat GPT, which I use a lot. I'm
using a lot for NFL gambling the season con There
is unbelievable info on there.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
JJ Reddick uses it. It's got to be good enough
for us, right.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I just thought usually how as season ends dictates how
ownership in front offices view you. I mean the NBA
regular season, Come on, I mean they stole Luca in
the postseason. You're like, he would admit kind of a clunker,
Like it was kind of a clunker against Minnesota. Took
a big swing on a move that had never been
(17:42):
done and the team felt like it was gassed. And
I don't know, maybe maybe it's new ownership. Obviously they
had to be a green light.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It tells you.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
They liked the new skinny Luca, they like Reddick. Because
it seems like my guess on why the Lakers did this.
They are doubling down on Luca and JJ Reddick, it
being the future, not Lebron. They're saying all the right things.
Rob Pulink is like, oh, I hope he ends his career.
Ownership is sending a signal to Lebron. This is JJ
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Reddick and Luca's franchise. They're saying the right stuff on Lebron.
But what they're doing is Lebron, you're our third pitch.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Ac sends over words.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah and That's my guess is that new ownership is
just doubling down on Don't think for a second we're
not going to send messages. It is a Luca team,
and I've told you I think Luca this year ends
up averaging over thirty because when he's been in shape,
he takes the ball over, he doesn't give it back.
And Lebron's going to be watching a lot of basketball
(18:53):
and one end of the floor not participating. All right, Hey,
they have the best week. I got some bad breaks. Undeterred.
Here's our blazing five.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Let's blaze it up.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Fired it up.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It's Collins Blazon five. H Kings versus Steelers.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Favorite bet on the board, I'm gonna take Minnesota minus
two and a half. I get the better offensive staff,
best better defense, I think right now, I don't know
why I would like Pittsburgh. Minnesota's won eleven of its
last thirteen regular season games, and they've been very good
on the road or away from home. I get Carson Wentz,
(19:33):
Jordan Addison's back, Jordan Mason more than capable, Justin Jefferson.
I think I get a better offensive line. So I
like the offense and the defense. Ranks top five in
the league. The Steelers offense is a mess. They can't
run the ball, they can't protect Aaron Rodgers. This coaching
staff can't figure out.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
A run game.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I don't know why this line is only minus two
and a half. The Steelers under Tom Win have been
a good underdog team. They'll play like their hair's on fire.
But I think Minnesota twenty seven to twenty covers here.
Better staff, better offense, better defense. I'm a better road team.
I'm gonna take Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Panthers aid Patriots.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm taking the over forty three and a half. I
don't get the number. Listen, the Patriots outplayed the Steelers.
They just kept coughing it up Drake May. In the
last two weeks, it's completing seventy four percent.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Of his throws.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
The problem for them is they don't have a pass rush.
They're allowing the most big plays. So for New England
to win, they gotta win. They gotta score some points,
and I think they will because Carolina's defense, they don't
get to the quarterback either. I mean, they have one
sack through their first three games, so you're gonna get
a very comfortable Drake May, who's gonna have time at
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home to throw.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
The weather's not an issue. The bad weathers out of town.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You have two defenses that don't get after the quarterbacks,
and two quarterbacks when they're not pressured, who can complete
a lot of passes and move the chains.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I think it's this. I think we get points in
this game. Three New England wins take the over.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Bryce Young last week completed sixty seven percent of his throws.
If he's got time, he does that.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Colt sid rants.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I think it's a good spot for the Rams.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Sean McVay off a disappointing close loss, they come back home.
They have the second highest grade by PFF of.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Any team in the league.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Frams are a really good team that dominated Philly in
Philly for a half.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Pooka and Devonte.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Adams have been outstanding, the best receiving tandem in the league.
And the defense leaves the NFL in sacks. So Daniel
Jones and he has a good old line, is gonna
face real pressure. The offense last week for the Colts
came back down to earth a little. They were two
for eight on third down. They weren't very good and
their defense has major holes on the back end. This
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is not a great Colts defense on the back end, Pooka,
Tyron Williams, Matt Stafford McVeigh. At home, I think they
look much more comfortable. They beat the Colts thirty four
to twenty four. Thirty excuse me to twenty four. This
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is a good spot for the Rams at home against
an average beaten up secondary.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Take the Rams.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Bears in Raiders.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I like the Raiders. They're a slight favorite. I like
the Raiders. Gino Smith.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Do you know this leads the NFL in big past plays,
second in passing yards only behind Justin Herbert. When Gino
has time to throw often this year he hasn't. He
can sling it, and I think it's the great opportunity
to get the running game going. The bigger story here
is we're concentrating on Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson for
the Bears defense has not been good and they're a
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terrible road team, one to eight on the road last
nine games. Caleb has been bad on the road. The
Bears have been a bad road team, and their defense
is allowing six point seven yards of play. We're not
talking about the fact that the Bears defense is opposing
quarterbacks are completing seventy five percent of their throwes against
the Chicago Bears. Bad road team. The Raiders come back
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home trying to establish some offensive dominance up front against
the team. I think they'll run the ball on I do.
I think Jenti has a breakout game. I'm going to
take the Raiders to win it. Twenty seven to twenty three.
Bengals and Broncos. Okay, Broncos are coming off two rough
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road losses. They lost both games when time expired. Denver's
got the much better defense. Denver's got the better head coach.
Denver's got tremendous personnel up front. Defensively, I mean to
have the second best red zone defense, so even when
you get down into the red zone, it is hard
to get touchdowns out of Denver. They lead the NFL
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in sacks. They also get their tight end, Evan Ingram back.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
This is big.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
This is big because Vonnicks hadn't have been great throwing
the ball deep this year. They've missed on big plays.
So Evan Ingram is in that twelve to fourteen yard space.
Big for Denver's offense. The Bengals worst rushing attack in
the league. Putting more pressure on an average quarterback Jake Browning.
They don't do a lot well offensively. You see the screen.
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I think Denver is an undervalued team with a much
better roster against the shaky O line, an excellent pass rush.
I think Denver controls the game. Bo Nicks, by the way,
not great in September last year. Finally Clicks thirty twenty.
They cover the spread. Take the Denver Broncos so once again,
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looking at our picks, I like favorites this weekend.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Vikings good road team.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I think they have the better staff, better weapons, better
run game, and playing better defensively. Minnesota to cover Panther's Patriots,
I think score points. I'm surprised at the O only
forty three and a half. The weather's cleared. I think
it's a great spot for the Rams to cover. I
don't like the Bears on the road. I can't go crazy.
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Bears are probably the worst road team in the league,
and I'm gonna take Denver so. I will say this,
I think the one team in the league that's actually
really really good that hasn't looked like it is the
Denver Broncos So. Bow Knicks last year was really bad
in September. Bow Knicks this year hasn't been good in September.
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What a coincidence. Drew Brees his worst month as a
Saint was September. Why My theory has always been, Sean
Peyton puts a lot on your plate. And in Drew
Brees's last three or four years in New Orleans, starters
don't play in the preseason. Bow Nicks didn't taking a
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lot of snaps in the preseason, and Sean Payton puts
a lot on your plate. And I think it takes October, November,
and December for Breeze and bow Knicks to get their
arms around the playbook. Sean Payton's career record in September
Sean Payton's five hundred, thirty and thirty. The rest of
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his career in October on is fifty and seventeen. So
Sean Peyton and his quarterbacks do not play well in September,
Isn't that crazy? Sean Payton an all time coach, five
hundred in September, Drew Brees average in September. Drew Brees
one of the best quarterbacks of all time. So I
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think as we get closer to the end, you get
a very weak defensive personnel in Cincinnati. They can't run
the ball third and longs. I think they popped this weekend.
And here was Sean Payton on the early struggles of
bow Nicks.
Speaker 9 (26:49):
Just keep firing. You know he's going to hit plenty
of those. One of the things that's a gift is
his off schedule throws. So you just want to be
careful how much you tell. And then I think part
of it is when you when you settle into certain plays,
there's a rhythm to you know, the mechanics.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, so there are things that are not a coincidence.
Sean Payton never been a great September coach, which goes
against everything. Drew brees all timer worst month was September.
Bo Nick suddenly wish Sean Payton really struggles in September.
Now you're saying to yourself, well, it's still September. I
believe this is a great spot. Extra day, you know,
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they get the extra day at prep. They're at home,
high altitude, beat up defense for Cincinnati this game, I
think they click and they looked apart. I think this
is the last really special team in the NFL that
hasn't looked special yet. For the record that that Colt's game,
they had one, they rekicked and lost Chargers game. Couple
opportunities missed on big opportunities downfield. All right, Dave want
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stats around the corner on the Bears, on USC, on
the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
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and noone Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know a lot of times, especially in pro football,
because you've got a billionaire owner and a coach making
between nine and a half and fourteen and a half million,
and you've got a quarterback making three hundred million, there's
you know, we all know who's got the power in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
It's the owner, it's the star coach, and it's the
star quarterback. GMS. Howie Roseman is a total exception.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Even John Snyder almost threatened to leave Seattle as one
of the top personnel guys unless he got more power,
and then Pete got pushed out. So in the NFL,
we know who has the power in the league. Like
in college football, the coach has it always the coach
has it, or the big donor has it. But in
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the football, you know, there's an old business saying a
problem well defined, is a problem half solved.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
The bigger issue in the NFL isn't who has the power.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I mean, we know with the Chargers it's the owner,
the Spanos family, Jim Harbaugh and Herbert. Herbert just doesn't
use it. But in the NFL a lot of times
it's not who has the power, it's what's the problem.
You have a problem when people can't agree on what
the problem is. You know, the coach didn't he wasn't
hired by the GM Like in Chicago right now, everybody
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thinks the problems. Caleb Williams, I would argue the problem
with the Bears is the ownership and the executive suite.
I think the quarterback's really talented, and I think the
coach is really smart.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
You know, you can't get agreement.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Howie Roseman has so much control in Philadelphia, he will
decide what the problems are and he will address them.
I think with Kansas City, you know, we know everybody
can agree what the problem is because Brett Veach is
a good and Andy Reid's a brilliant coach, and Mahomes
is one of the greatest ever. We just know it's
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a personnel issue. On offense. They've missed on a couple receivers.
Travis Kelsey's old and expensive. Mahomes is expensive and receivers
a hard position to draft. Even when they got it
right with Rashid Rice, he does something that's not very
smart and now.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
He's suspended for six games.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And then you get Worthy and he's really good, but
he's small, runs in the Kelsey and he gets hurt.
So a lot of canvas of these issues are we
know who has the power, and we know it's not scheme.
I think you have to just everybody in the room
has to go. Our problem is here, we don't have
good enough players. Dave Wantstett has a belief on how
to correct it, but again I don't know if they
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have the personnel to correct what Dave Wantstett, who was
our guest earlier has as a solution.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
That Eagle Super Bowl when they were behind by ten
at halftime and Mahomes was limping, and they came out
the second half, and what did they do. They ran
the ball with Pacheco, remember, and that's how they won
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
They ran the football.
Speaker 10 (31:06):
I thought that that would Andy Reid would get back
to that more. What's the easiest thing to do to
help your quarterback run the ball, and they just haven't
really made a big, in my mind, a big commitment
to running the football.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And my question is, well they let Joe Toney go
they couldn't afford Joe Toney. Well, Joe Toney has made
the Bears better up front and had his loss is significant.
So I mean for the record, when I mean, you
could probably go look this up. When Toony left the Patriots,
their own line wasn't as good, and Tony left the
Chiefs and their own lines not as good. And the
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Bears all line this year is better than last year.
So when you have one of the you know, one
of the two or three best interior blockers in Joe Toney,
a tough guy, a smart guy, a leader, I don't
think they can run the ball. I think Kansas City
this weekend, if you gave me three points, I would
take the Chiefs at home at two and a half.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Stay away.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But I mean right now, the Kansas City Chiefs leading
rusher is Mahomes and that's the problem. They don't want
that to be the case because Mahomes more than once
in his career has got banged up and he's limping around.
He's not one hundred percent. I mean Jalen Hurts had
that for about a year before Saquon Barkley. You remember
that before Saquon Barkley. Jalen Hurts felt like he was
planning about eighty percent for two years. And then they
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get Saquon Barkley. And now Jalen Hurts feels like he's
been healthy for a good year and a half two years.
So they don't want Mahomes to be the leading rusher.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think I just don't.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I don't think it's sustainable to have your quarterback as
a leading rusher. I don't think they want it, but
I think it's And this is not a knock.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
On the GM.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You pay the quarterback, you and and and they've also
you got to pay Chris Jones. Kelsey gets paid, Mahomes
gets paid. They didn't want to let go of Joe Tooney.
That was not what they wanted to do. Watch their games.
There's no jews. You watched Seattle last night. You see jews.
I mean even Arizona. I see players. I just don't
see the leadership. So that's where we are. You know,
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j Mack, I haven't ask you your NFL picture at
the end of the show. I generally take the home
team in college football, and they're two good teams. I
think the interesting one to me is Ohio State and Washington.
So Washington is unranked, they should be ranked, but they're unranked.
Ohio State's number one at Husky Stadium's an advantage. What's
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sneaky about that game is Julian say In, the quarterback
for Ohio State, is young. He has never played on
the road in this environment. He played Texas, but he
was at home. He's a very good, great high school player.
It's just hard to see an unranked team beat the
number one team in the country. And Ohio State's got
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the recruiting and the nil rolling.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah, let me ask you, Colin.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
That Ohio State win over Texas at the moment initially
looked great.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
What about in hindsight, Texas has been middling against Directional
State University the last like three weeks.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Do we know if Texas is that good? Well, again,
I'm not bashing Ohio State at all. I'm just starting
to question that Texas went in the same way LSU
Clemson like that. LSU wouldn't look great now it's like
Clemson ain't great, what's the big deal?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
No, I mean, Ohio State running back room was much
better last year. They were much more explosive out of
the backfield last year. There's no question. I think Ohio
State was a much better team last year. I also
think a lot of the complimentary offensive players get drafted,
like Ibukau and now Smith, the superstar wide receiver. Teams
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are much more capable of doubling him and bracketing him.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
You couldn't last year.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
You had him on one side, the freshman you have
a book. On the other side, you just they're just
and they had an unbelievable backfield, so you couldn't cheat.
I mean last year when you played Ohio State, you
could not cheat. Like it was just first rounder on
that side, first rounder on the other side. Two elite
running backs, experienced quarterback. O line got banged up, but
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it was good. So it was a hard team to
face even if you had Tennessee athletes, if you had
Texas athletes, Ohio State was hard to face last year.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
You couldn't cheat. They're not as dynamic in the backfield.
Ibuka is a big loss.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
He would be for any program, so They're talented, but
they don't feel as dynamic. And now they send a
very young and experienced quarterback in one of the loudest
venues against the Washington team that's gonna drop twenty eight
points on everybody in the country. So that is a
to me, that is a fascinating game. I just historically,
I'm going to take a number one team over an
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unranked team. But Washington's about as good as you can
be to be unranked in college football. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
By the way, is it going to rain, because I
know all it does in the Northwest is reign.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Is it going to rain at that wide he's not
in the slow down?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Hey, by the way, we went to Seattle last summer.
It's amazing. I love that city.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Urban Meyer big noon kickoff. He's at the USC Illinois
game tomorrow and he is joining.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Us now live. Okay, So let's just ask you.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I anytime you go into a game with a young
quarterback into a hostile environment, a coaching staff generally thinks,
all right, let's get him some early, easy completions.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Let's not put them in weird environments.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
But that kind of plays into Washington's hand because Washington's
gonna come into this thing with big swings. They've got
an NFL elite receiver, an unbelievable quarterback, a star running back.
So I would at Washington, they're gonna their take is
going to be so we're not beating these guys without
taking big swings. Ohio State may do the opposite and
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let's bring it in, let's slow it down.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
And that could get the crowd riled up. I mean,
do you are you worried for.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
Ohio State in the spot? I'm worried about the early
part of the game. And I would always tell teams
going into that the mindset is that as a prize fight,
you're going to take some brutal shots or only in
the game just because the crowd, and you have to
understand the hotspots. The hotspots are third downs, the hotspots
are red zone and then punt and field go. That's
when the stadium becomes electric. But the best thing to
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slow down to the stadium and calm down the stadium
is to sustained drive. So I always tell our players,
and I said this early in the Texas game for
arch Manning as well, get two first downs.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That's your job as a quarterback.
Speaker 7 (37:13):
That way you automatically flip the field and you can
slow everything down a little bit, but they'd make a
mistake that just come out guns blazing in this game.
In my opinion, let this let the game slow down
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
How do you do that? Sustained drives?
Speaker 7 (37:26):
And I don't think defense Washington's defense is that great,
so I think they can do come out of the
game a nice ten play drive. Crowd goes away in
the second quarter.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I think people Buka is such a great player now
he's in the NFL. Last year, you had two elite receivers,
two elite backs. I think your quarterback had more experience.
Ohio State doesn't quite look like it quite has the
offensive juice.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (37:53):
I think they're still coming along, Carnell tait I said,
And that's the number two receiver for Ohio State. That's
the biggest question mark because he got all the skill
set you need to be a high draft pick and
to take some pressure off Jeremi Smith. But Jeremi Smith
had the perfect scenario. Last year. He had at Mecha.
On the other side, he had two great running backs.
Those are all gone. So it still remains to be
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seeing because Texas like I heard you say earlier, how
good is Texas in the last three games?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
To me were just warm up games. We're going to
find out here in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
All right, let's talk to USC and Illinois. You know,
you and I talked years ago about this US. He
got small and then the nil came and I think
joining the big ten. Lincoln Riley looked at his roster
and said, Okay, Michigan Pentake, we have to go buy size.
And I got to tell you Urban their defensive front
for the first time since Pete Carroll. They got five
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or six guys that are big. Now a couple of
them are freshmen. But do they look different to you,
at least just physically look different.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
Wellin two seconds after turning on the film, I actually
called their line coach, Zach Hanson. Zach Hanson, I believe
his name is Yeah, and he's terrific, and he said that.
He said they had a staff meeting and the focus
of recruiting went from obviously great skill, that you still
need that, but they realized against Penn State, Ohio State,
the Wolverines, etc. You're going to get punched in the face.
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You better get big. This is the biggest and most
NFL draft picks in the offensive line that they've had,
probably since of Pete Carroll air like you just said,
on the defensive side. So completely different looking team. And
I want to add this, I was talking to Matt
Leiner about this. A physical offense line changes your program.
How practice is different, the weight room's different, the way
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you approach the games different. If you're a finesse team,
your program becomes finesse, and obviously that gets you only
so far.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
For the record, you know, people look at Lincoln Riley
and think, oh, he loves to pass, But if you
go back to Oklahoma, he ran the ball all the time.
I think when I've watched every snap of every almost
every snap this season in US see, I think they're
a run first team.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
What do you see?
Speaker 7 (39:57):
There's no doubt that's exactly And you're right about Riley.
He you know, he comes across as an air raid guy.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
He's not.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
I call him a spread coach, a spread option or
a spread coach wants to run the pound the ball
first and that opens everything up. So Lincoln Riley, I'm
telling you, this is a This is a playoff looking team.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
To me.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
The other ones were not playoff looking teams. They were
fast teams that that scored points. They were not a
playoff team.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So Oregon's going to Penn State. So Oregon has not
Dante More, the quarterback has played, you know, Stanford, Arizona,
San Diego State. He never played in the stadium like this.
This thing is nuts. You played in this stadium and
Oregon's young. Are you concerned they get a little overwhelmed
in this spot against the Nidney Lions.
Speaker 7 (40:41):
Yeah, I've said Penn State overtook LSU to me as
the number one most difficult place I've ever been in
wide out at night. It's choreographed, it's it's a must watch.
It's something that you need to see this. And he
has never been in this You're right, And I taught coach.
Lanny called me this week and he heard me talk
about State and as I grew as a coach, the
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thing you need to do is practice. And I mentioned
to the SECO is the stadium is not always loud.
It's loud during third downs.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
So what do you do?
Speaker 7 (41:10):
You practice that or you come up with some kind
of scheme. We would do tempo that means you go
real fast on third down. And not let the crowd
get into it. The other thing is red zone.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
What do you do?
Speaker 7 (41:20):
You go put those speakers right behind you in the
red zone of practice so you're ready for it.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
And then the other one.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
We lost a game there in two thousand and I
think sixteen fifteen fifteen, I believe, and that was because
we've got a field goal blocked. And that's another hotspot.
So again, third downs, red zone, field goal and punt.
Those are when the stadium becomes unglued, you better practice it.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, you know, I was thinking about you this week.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I thought Mike Dunny was a good coach, but he
didn't pivot very well on nil and Dabbo similarly, I
think it's a very good coach. And I've said this before,
you know, Bobby and I didn't want to do one,
and done Zevsky initially didn't, then he embraced it. Is
that nothing ruins or punctures brilliance like rigidity and stubbornness.
And I look at Dabo and I watched them against
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Syracuse last week and I my only takeaway was they've
got a few really high end players, like defensively, but
I don't know if they have the depth of athlete
of Ohio State or Penn State, and they haven't gone
into the transfer portal, and everybody thinks her.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
But if you go to the transfer portal, it's just
to get five star guys.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Sometimes it's to get another slot corner or a second
tight end. I just didn't feel Clemson was talented like
LSU talent at Ohio State. What do you think their
problem is?
Speaker 7 (42:41):
So I talked to Dabbo before the season and he
made a comment to me, this is a national championship
calaider team. He felt there was depth, he felt that
he had a Heisman candidate, a quarterback. It's still early.
I got a feeling they're going to find a way
to run off a bunch of wins at a you know,
kind of average acc and they kind of get things organized.
But you know, you mentioned Mike Gundy as well. I'd
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put those guys in the same category because to me,
Mike Gundy was untouchable. He is Oklahoma State. But Tulsa
goes in here and beats them. Nelson, that guy becomes touchable.
So Dubbo, I'm not ready to that ship's not going
to say. First of all, Dablos Sweeney's not going anywhere.
I think Klempston comes back. Maybe it's not one of
his best teams, but it's certainly good enough to at
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least compete for ACC championship.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Finally, Urban Meyer and I'll see him tomorrow on Big
Newon kickoff, I said, I always thought the Big ten
was top heavy, but it wasn't good enough at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
It wasn't quite as fast as I'd like it.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
It needed a little spice. The jumbaliye I need a
little spice. I think Oregon, Washington, Jedfish, USC they really
it was a perfect mesh. It's forced the West Coast
teams to get bigger and buy size, and it's made
the Big ten fast, creative, fun better quarterbacks. I mean,
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I can't believe how well it's worked. Are you surprised
by Listen? Oregon won the conference last year. I think
Washington this year is going to be very dangerous.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
USC is back. Did you think it would be that
it would work this well?
Speaker 7 (44:12):
No, I thought that PAC twelve would kind of come
into conference and get pushed you around a little bit.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
That's not what happened.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
I think the PAC twelve teams before you mentioned that
elevated the Big Ten right now. I did something on
Urban Analysis on the Big Ten Network that it's the best.
There's seven quarterbacks right now I think are the best
that I in my lifetime. The depth of quarterback position
in the Big Ten is better than it's ever been.
The style of play now the bottom of the Big
ten's bad. There's some really bad teams at the bottom.
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But I'm telling you what, this is very SEC Looking
back when the SEC you know there's much more depth.
You got Indiana. I think the Illinois team just they
got hammered a little bit. They're still a good football team.
And this is with Wisconsin and Michigan. State's still going
through a rebuild. Once those teams get back, if they
do get back, I mean the Big Ten conferences. I
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think it's a no more conference for college football. Urban Meyer,
Fox Sports college football coach.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I'll see you tomorrow. Can't wait to see you. Call
it all right, Urban Meyer, a friend, uh and just
a terrific work for us.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I cannot wait. Husky Stadium, Oregon. On the road at
Penn State, Urban said's the hardest place. Now it's surpassed
l s U and USC down the road Jmack.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
With the news.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
No, no, this is the Herdline news.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
All right, big guy, let's get started with Lamar Jackson Colin.
He's been one of the few break spots for a
Ravens team that is one and two.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
Obviously, he was runner up to Josh Allen last year
for League MVP. Entering this weekend's matchup against the Chiefs,
Chris Jones spoke about Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 11 (45:49):
Any playing a game, he can, he can change the name,
mix of it. So you know, with him, it's always
tough to play. I guesst somewhere and about Timore RAVEI
it's you know, stopping Lamar's one. Ain't trying to contain
him as another. And over the years you look how
prolific as a passer he's become. I think he's completing
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seventy percent of his passes, which I think he should
have won MVP last year.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Have so much respect for him, Yeah, you know, many
many people did.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
Maybe it's just me, but did you not think Lamar
seemed uncertain against Detroit in the pocket, he seemed to
do a lot of pump fakes and next thing you know,
he's on his back because Aida Hutchinson and company were
breathing down. I don't know what was going on, but
if I were looking at props, I would be targeting
Lamar Jackson over rushing yards.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
This feels to me right, high profile game against Mahomes
and the Chiefs. Lamar's like, I ain't letting us lose, guys.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
I'm going down swinging and I'm doing everything I can,
and that probably means with his legs.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
I don't like the Chiefs linebackers either. Find out. Let's
move on now.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
This is spicy.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
I gotta choose my words carefully. CJ.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Stroud and the Texans offense has struggled through the first
three games, by the way, dating back to the last
in they're just five and nine in their last fourteen,
averaging only nineteen points per game. So Diana Russini was
talking about CJ. Stroud and if you listen closely, Colin,
we have a percolating situation in Houston.
Speaker 12 (47:17):
They are still trying to figure themselves out on offense.
They have a new play caller, they have a different
looking offensive line. I still think they're they're working some
kinks out. So he's still good.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
I'm not on this. I'm not in the camp.
Speaker 12 (47:35):
He's rooting his opportunity here to get some mega extension.
I still think CJ. Stroud can play. I just think
there's still a lot of work to be done and
there's some there's some things going on behind the scenes
that that that I think we're going to find out
about soon.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Oh that is spicy.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
Okay, again, I gotta choose my words carefully because I
don't want to start a brush fire.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
We don't have a lot of evidence here, Okay. That
being said, there was a weird article in the New
York Times this.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
Week about is CJ. Stroud playing his way out of
an extension? And we would laugh at that, right, Like,
come on, CJ. Shroud, he's great.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
So he shares an agent with Michaeh Parsons. Colin and
c J.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
Stroud and Michael Parsons really were buddy buddy a couple
summers ago, hanging out a lot after Stroud's great rookie year,
and Michaeh Parsons had an interesting end to this offseason, right,
he kind of got in an argument with Jerry Jones
and forced his way out of town and was traded.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Do you think c J. Stroud is long for the Texans.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
That's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
I'm not trying to start something.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
We don't know what's going on, but Russini hinting stuff
behind the scenes. They are on their new offensive court
in remember they dumped the guy last year slowick their
offensive line is what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Stroud playing poorly?
Speaker 4 (48:54):
You think CJ. Stroud is locked in in Houston?
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I not after your two minutes segment there, no.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
So he uh you know he's from California, right, Oh?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Rams maybe seeking another quarter of the I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
I mean, would you think he'd love to play with McVeigh?
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Very interesting.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
I don't know. I'm not trying to start something, but.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
McBay McVeigh does like pocket quarterbacks, He like golf, he
likes Stafford. C J.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Stroud he didn't need he likes you to run his play.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Rands have a couple more extra draft picks, don't they.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Ooh, very now you're onto something two ones for CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
It's gonna cost more than that.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
But uh, I know not when he's coming off back
to back bad.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Seasons and Texas are not moving off in that easily.
But it's just a fun story. I thought I put
out there Jamie.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
J.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line news.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
I mean, does C. J.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Stroud get more than two first round picks? I don't
think not off back to back bad years.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
I don't think so. If he's off great years, it's
worth three and a five.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
But if you're off bad to back back to back
bad seasons, you're not winning games. You're not getting three
first round pick, two first rounders in the same draft.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Well, I remember Snead was able to pull off the
golf swap for Stafford. Obviously there would be no swap here.
But uh, the fact that Michaeh. Parsons got traded because
nobody thought we were good, they were gonna trade him
and he shares an agent with Stroud mildly interesting. And
now Houston fans are probably very upset with us.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
But don't be mad. Be mad at you.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I didn't say anything, all right, Jmack around the corners
got his pick ses the hurt
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