FantasyPros - The Biggest Fantasy Football Questions For Each Team in Week 4 (Ep. 1736) - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Ryan Warmley, joined as I am every Friday morning, by
Pat fitz Morris and by Derek Brown. We are doing
our Key Questions episode.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
For Week four.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Quick reminder that all of our weekly consensus rankings and
tiers can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Not only is the season.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You know, going fast as it always does, we're in
two week four, Like I said, we are also into
the early games. We have vikings at Steelers which is
in Ireland and it is you know, one of our
international early games. So it's going to be a very
long Sunday for everyone watching football, hopefully a very fun
sunday for everyone, Hopefully a very lucrative sunday in your

(00:42):
fantasy teams.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
And if you're making any bets as well, I just do.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I just want to quickly ask before we dive into
the game, Debrow, like I am adamantly opposed to this
expansion of the international games. I don't need a nine
Eastern whatever time it is. I don't need these early starts.
Once a year as a novelty is fine. I don't
need this like five or six week stretch where we

(01:08):
have it in the middle of seemingly every season now
and it's only getting more and more.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
How do you feel about it.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I don't think that that's necessary.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Like I wish the NFL would take away the Thursday
night games and then move to like a Friday night
game and then like I like the Monday doubleheaders and stuff,
But all the international stuff, it's like, I get it,
and I understand, like the the global reach of the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I understand all.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Of that, but it doesn't make it as as much
of a novelty when it becomes so much more commonplace.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I agree, by the way, on those Thursday games, Like,
I don't think you'd be very difficult if you said,
we're just going to do them during the time of
year where they are byes and always just make it
two teams coming off a bye and then you don't
have this like immediate turnaround, and then you can do
the opener still as well because they have plenty of
time before that. That's kind of my thought on the Thursdays.
Fit's what do you think about all these international games?

(01:59):
I expanded the game, but it just feels like it's
too much like you.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
I would like to see fewer of them, maybe one
or two of year, not five or six or whatever
it is this year. I dislike those more than I
excuse me. I dislike the overlapping Monday games more than
I dislike the early Sunday games. The overlapping Monday Night
games just really annoying me. I'd like to, you know,

(02:24):
I want Monday Night games to be standalone games. I
want to be able to like watch all of whatever
game there is. And the first set was okay when
they did not overlap and we got two games, that
was cool.

Speaker 6 (02:35):
The overlapping ones.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, all the East Coast folks had big complaints about
the Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Everybody thinks they look like everybody talks like they're in
East Coast, East Coast time zone, things that like the
rest of the world lives in eCos Deever.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I don't even know what times on you like, because
the other day on Twitter you were crapping on Mountain
times zone.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Sometimes made up. We all know that. I mean, they're
all things. I'll count on one hand how many people
we know live in Mountain.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Every time zone is.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I believe Denver has the most employees of any city
at our company, so you should show some respect to mountains.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
But by the way, Deebro, we're never getting NFL games
on Friday nights. They're just never gonna high school football.
There are too many NFL fans whose kids play high
school football and they are preoccupied.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
And it never gets Saturday night because and then it'll
conflict with college and the NCAA will riot.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
So yeah, no, I know, just wish thinking.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I just think that we can move on after this.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I just think that, like, the limited availability of football
is a huge part of why it's so successful. Like
if there was one hundred and sixty two games, like
in baseball, it wouldn't feel as special having a whole
day dedicate dedicated to it every week on Sundays, and
you know your team only gets to play once a week,
so it really mad. If baseball was played only once
a week, those games will be way more popular.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Like, I think the.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Scarcity of football is a huge part of its appeal,
and if you get rid of that, I just think
you're playing with five I'm not that it's going to
become unpopular or anything, but.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I don't like him.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
It is my Point's let's dive into that Ireland game
Vikings at Steelers, and I want to ask about Jordan Adison,
who is coming back off suspension. Fitz will start with you,
how will Jordan Addison's return from suspension impact the Vikings
passing game for fantasy managers.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
I don't think it'll be a big impact in this game. Like,
it's possible we only see Addison play maybe half to
two thirds of the offensive snaps.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
I'm sure he's not.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
He's probably in cardio shape after being away from the team,
but maybe not in football shape yet. You know, no,
no hitting for him. Can't imagine he walks right and
plays ninety percent of the snaps. And Addison is probably
not going to be completely in sync with Carson Wentz
considering that Wednesday was the first day that Carson Wentz
has ever thrown a pass to Jordan Addison in a

(04:50):
Vikings practice, so.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
A couple of days ago that was it.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
And yeah, so, like, I'm not expecting a six catch,
ninety yard game for Jordan Addison right off the bat.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Do you see any impact fits for what Adison does
to Like, are you expecting maybe a little bit less
of a game from Jefferson Hockinson anything like that just
as they work him in and get him incorporated back
into the offense.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
Not those guys. But I would not start Jalen Naylor
or Adam Thielen this week.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Okay, I don't know how many people were starting them regardless,
but it's fair to point out, do you what do
you think? What are your expectations for Addison and kind
of the offense as a whole with Addison back, And I.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Think it's it's better things moving forward with the Vikings. Unfortunately,
the acquisition of Adam Thielen has been pretty useless, like
he's been a ghost at the beginning of part of
the season. And I understand they've been more run heavy
than we all kind of anticipated and things have kind
of gone sideways. But also did anybody think that through
the first few games of the season to this point
of the season, right now, Adam Thielan will have only
six targets, two catches and twenty six receiving yards and

(05:52):
a nine point two percent target chair No, so considering
that Addison's going to provide a boost for this offense,
And I mean, I'm with VIZI that, like, I don't
think he plays like ninety percent of the snaps. But
I think when they're out there in passing downs, like
he's still gonna have like a seventy to seventy five
percent route per drop back rate, and they probably just
cut him on like more condensed packages, running some twelve

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and run plays and stuff. That's where they take him
off the field. But when they're passing, I think he's
gonna be on the field, and I think he's gonna
have a good day man. Like this Pittsburgh secondary has
been god awful, Like just they have been nothing close
to what I think any of us thought they were
going to be entering the season, considering the talent, the names, everything,
and looking at the coverage structure. Pittsburgh has been single

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high heavy for the last two seasons. We know we're
gonna get that. This year's sixty seven percent of the
defensive snaps against that. Last year, Addison tore it up man.
He had two point two yards per route run, twenty
seven percent first read share.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
The matchup is good.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
I think even on limited snaps, like even if he
plays seventy percent, like, I'm pretty confident he's gonna put
up a strong stat line.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Like I got him at wide receiver thirty four this week.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Uh, did you guys think think about Addison when ranking
Carson Wentz this week? Like, does he actually go up
a little bit for that?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Or No?

Speaker 4 (07:07):
I didn't only because I don't think he's like Carson
Wentz is gonna throw a ton. And this is also
a good game to lean on Jordan Mason because the
Steelers run defense has been pretty bad.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Right, That's kind of where I'm at with Wentz. I've
got him QB twenty seven. I just think they're trying
to hide him as much as possible. But you actually,
Deebro did make a pretty good case for Addison. I
might have to move him up a little. I've got
him in the third.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Where do you have him at right now?

Speaker 5 (07:30):
I'm like in the fifties with him like fifty three
or fifty two or something like that, But you know,
I should probably have him in the forties.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, all right, Let's go to Commanders at Falcons. This
is back to the normal Sunday early slate opposing RB
one's against The Commanders have all finished with under four
yards per carry in each game this season. I believe
it was like under three in the first game, and
then the next two have been in about three point
seven per game. I forgot to write it down, but
I think I'm remembering that correctly. But it's all under

(08:00):
four yards per carry. It's not like we would consider
sitting Bjeon Robinson under any circumstance, but debro is this
a defense that could give him some trouble?

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Maybe I'm not worried about it, to be honest, just
because if you look at how good Bijon and looking
at this run defense on paper, like if you're not
a highly explosive runner, if you're one of these more
volume compiling not can really do and create extra yards
just by yourself, then it's more concerning like Washington, like

(08:31):
if you look at on paper the matchup, they do
add the seventh best stuff rate. So again going back
to the archetypes and some of the running backs they face,
like the Giants don't have a good offensive line. The
Packers Josh Jacobs is good at what he does, but
we're not saying like he's not out here ripping fifty
and sixty yard runs and he's not known for his explosiveness.
And Ashton Genty again, terrible offensive line. I think more

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of what we've seen so far from the Commanders has
been a function of a middle of the road run
defense that has faced some pretty like two of these
three teams they've played a futured offensive line or they're
playing bad. This run defense also has allowed the tenth
highest explosive run rate and their middle of the road
as far as misstack rate like they're seventeenth. So you

(09:14):
stack all that up against Jon Robinson, who I mean,
Atlanta Quietly, even despite the injuries, their ninth best in
yards before contact per attempt was is probably more of
a Bijon stat than it is for their O line,
because Bijeon's freaking awesome, Like he's top fifteen in every
single per touch efficiency metric, the film test, the eye
test also passes too. Like, I'm not worried about Bijon.

(09:35):
I think that this is quietly a pretty good spot
for him.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
What do you think?

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Fitz Deebro said, it pretty well.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Got to look at the opponents and it was the Giants,
and that was the Tyrone Tracy Giants, not the camp
Skataboo Giants. The Raiders last week who haven't been able
to run against anyone. And Ashton gent is one of
only two running backs in the league averaging negative yards
before contact per carry, So really it was just Josh

(10:02):
Jacobs as the only decent running back they faced, and
he did just fine twenty three carries for eighty four
yards in a touchdown. So not a huge game, but
a solid game. I'm kind of with de bro like,
it's a pretty good and maybe above average run defense,
but not a matchup to fear, and certainly not a
matchup that's going to deter you from starting Bjon Robinson.

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Speaker 1 (11:51):
All right, we're going to Saints at Bills. As of
when I put the sheet together, I didn't look to
see if this mood at all. But when I put
the sheet together a couple of days ago, the Bills
were laying fifteen and a half points on hard rock bet,
which is the biggest line of the season so far.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Will they cover that spread? And then also fits.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I want you to pick one Saint that you like
this week and one Bill you dislike, to kind of
go against the narrative of this game.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
Ooh interesting?

Speaker 5 (12:14):
All right, Yes, I do think the Bills cover in
this one. They kind of sleep walked through their Thursday
night home game against the Dolphins and got a real
scare in that game, so I think they'll be a
little more dialed in against a second straight overmatched opponent.
They've had extra rest time, extra prep time, and they

(12:34):
haven't had to leave home. I think the Bills win
big in this one.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
A saying I like.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
I'll keep putting Chris Olave in lineups where I have
him like his his target counts so far thirteen ten, fourteen,
he's twenty three catches already. Wellough, the weird thing is
he has been between fifty four and fifty seven yards
in every game so far. So there's a sturdy floor,
especially in PPR, if not exactly you know, the ceiling

(13:02):
does not look like the sixteene chapel here with Spencer
Rattler at quarterback.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
A fade for the Bills.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
I'll say Dalton Kincaid like he's tight end three in
fantasy scoring right now because he's gotten into the end
zone a couple of times. But he's only playing about
half the Bills offensive snaps and he hasn't had more
than six targets in a game. So if there's anyone
who disappoints, maybe it's him.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Fits would you rather start Kincaid or Kelsey this week?

Speaker 6 (13:30):
Oh man?

Speaker 5 (13:31):
That is uh, that is interesting. I'm let me check
the rankings real quick. I think I do have Kincaid
ranked higher.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
Kelsey looks pretty dusty.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
They're back to back in ECR, and they're my two
tight ends in a dynasty league that we're all in together.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, I've got kid tight end eight.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
You don't have Kinkaid in that league.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I have Kinkaid in though the other dynasty league that
was okay.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
I was like, you can have Kinkaid, I'll trade it
to you.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
No, the old chair to be in the league where
iRED have Rock Bauers. Now I'm good. I I have
Kyle Pitts's my backup.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Actually, I've got Kincaid tight end eight, Kelsey tight end ten.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Okay, so close, But yeah, you do lean in that direction.
De bro, What do you think about this game?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Do you think the Bills are going to cover this
huge spread and then also pick a Saint you like
and a billion dislike?

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Man, you made me look this up. It's actually moved
more in the direction of the Bills in hard rock
bed it's minus sixteen and a half now like.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh okay, good lord, So it's kind of the other direction.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
I okay.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
So I don't think the Bills cover on this, and
only because not because I think that the Saints are
going to put up much of a fight. I just
think that they can get there in garbage time stuff
and make up after the Bills kind of take their
foot off the gas because I mean, if this number
was like twelve and a half or something like that,
then fine, I think they cover.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
It opened at twelve and a half by the way, Oh.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Okay, well there you go. But sixteen and a half, dude, like.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
That With that many the back door is always open
when there's a spread back.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
And that's But the other thing about it is like
there are paths to the Saints moving the ball in
this game, Like their run defense is not stellars, So
I think camera can get good usage on the ground.
Chris Lave is my saint to for all the points
that that fits he laid out here, he's getting a
crap ton of volume. But the other thing I'll point
out here too is that like the Buffalo Bills have

(15:20):
faced the sixth fewest perimeter wide receiver targets, but they
ranked fifteenth and Fantasy points per game, and they've allowed
the fifth highest PPR points per target two perimeter wide receivers.
So quietly pretty good spot for chrysal Lava. So I
feel really good about him as a wide receiver. Three
this week, the Bill that all fade because FITZI I
think this is gonna make things tingle. I think it's

(15:41):
the Keon Coleman week, bro, So I think Keon's in
for a big day. And Khalila Shakiir is the guy
that all fade here. Just his usage, the Saints have
been more single high heavy fifty eight point four percent
of their snaps. His usage versus single high this year
has been okay, but it's not great. If there's one
thing the Saints have actually been pretty good at, it's
defending the slot.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Slot receivers against the Saints of the ninth few is
PBR points per target and the fifth or excuse me,
the fifth fewest Fantasy points per game overall.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
So Shakier's my fade uh, because I think it's gonna
be a big keyonte.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
On the you know, big spread.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Like also, like whatuld it totally surprised you if the
Bills kind of played with their food a bit too,
like even not even just talking about a backdoor cover,
but like a three and zero team that almost feels like,
given their schedule, they've already locked up the one seed
in the AFC, going up against the team that a
lot of people thought.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
It was gonna maybe Kellen Moore, Like, maybe I'm not
saying the Saints win this, but it's closer because of
garbage time and everything.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, like I yeah, My point is that I
don't think it's necessary if they cover the Saints cover.
That is, I don't think it's necessarily going to mean like, oh,
they definitely it's a backdoor cover, like I could see
it being closer than people expect for Like, I don't
think anybody will at no point. Well, I think the
Bills are going to lose, but I could see it
being you know, under three scores for most of the
afternoon and it feels like they're just not putting them well.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
And I also think that it's in the Saints favor
being a dome team traveling to to freaking Buffalo that
this isn't in like the snow and the tundra and
stuff like that too.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah for sure. All right, let's go to Browns at Lions. Fits.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Sorry to be talking about the Browns facing an NFC
North team. I know that's going to bring up some
scars for you. The unstoppable force, right, the Lions offense
versus the immovable object, the Browns defense, which has been
really good this year. I mean you think, like, not
just statistically like, oh, the Browns defense has been really good.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Think about who they have faced.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
They have faced the Bengals when they still had Joe Burrow,
and it was a a Bengals offense that had actually
played in the preseason on like previous years, so you
kind of thought they would be, you know, more ready
to go in week one. In Week two, they faced
the Ravens offense, which is like the second or I
think it's actually still the first, you know, highest scoring
offense in football. And then the Packers, who I know,
their their defense isn't better than their offense, but it's
been a good offense this year, and the Browns defense

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has made all three of those. I know, the Ravens
scored over forty points, but that was a lot of
like defense and special teams helping them get there. They
have made every one of these offenses look look pretty
bad relative to the rest of the season. But again,
the Lions offense is really good. So, Fitch, I will
start with you who wins the battle on that side
of the ball? Lions offensive, Browns defense.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah, so I'm gonna say the Lions maybe more through
the air, than on the ground. Like the Browns are
only giving up two point two yards per carry to
running backs so far. They rank first in DVOA against
the run, but they're only eighteenth in DVA against the pass.

Speaker 6 (18:29):
So I don't think.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
We're getting another one hundred and fifty yard rushing day
from David Montgomery, sorry, worm, but we might get one
hundred and fiftyard day from either ham and Ross, Saint
Brown or Jamison Williams. But like this not to diminish
this Cleveland defense, it is really good. They totally stuffed
the Green Bay offense into a locker last week, and

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they just the Packers could not handle the Browns defensive front.
After the Packers lost Zach Tom and Aaron Banks to
in injuries early in the game, two of their key
starting linemen. After that, it was just kind of open
season on Jordan Love and they couldn't get any movement
in the running game.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
I think the Lions are going to do enough like
to win the game obviously, and so like by that
measure you could say that I'm picking the Lions offense,
but like specifically on the side of the ball, I
actually think the Browns defense is going to have the
better day in the Lions offense. I'm just so impressed
by what I've seen from Cleveland that side of the ball.
So Debro go ahead and break our tie here.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
I'm gonna go with the Lions offense. And I think
this all comes down to one specific factor in this game.
Do Christian Mahogany and Tate Ratledge hold up. If they
hold up against this defensive line, then the Lions can
cook here, really and this all comes down to the
trenches and can the Browns have a good day. It

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is possible if their d line can get home, they
can bring pressure because they are seventh best in pressure,
and we know Jared Golf has a problem with that.
That's what happened with the Packers game. Tate Rautli and
Mahogany were overmatched. But I think this offensive line is
kind of not finding it stride. But I think they're
playing better. Both those guards have played better over the.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Last two weeks.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
I think that continues this week. And if that happens, man,
I just they might be without Denzel a Ward. Their
cornerbacks in the back end are not equipped to deal
with this passing attack. Like Cleveland has quietly been as
good as their defense defensive line has been and they
are carrying the day. Their run defenses top five in
the NFL. Again, I said, they have the seventh best
pressure rate. If those things like if Detroit Lions to

(20:30):
just say, look like, if we got enough time with
Jared Golf, whether it's short area targets or JMO just
burning these corners, like they can put up some points.
They just have to keep Jared Goff clean. And if
they can do that, which I think, I lean in
the direction that they can, and I know I'm stepping
out on a limb because we've already seen the Lions
offensive line fold under a good D line already previously.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
But if they can, Cleveland's given.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Up the fifth most passing touchdowns, the eighth highest pass
rating in their middle road in success and they're quietly
middle of the road in against D passing. It just
comes down to can their pass rush and their D
line win. If not, it's a big day for JMO,
It's a big day for Jair Golf and Amara saying
Brown is going to cook Miles Harden, who right now

(21:15):
is giving up a seventy five percents catch rad and
a one thirty pass ring in his coverage, he doesn't
have a chance against Amana.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I am not as optimistic about the Lions line as
you are, like in terms of them playing better last
couple of weeks. I mean, like when we threw their
facing the Ravens without nondematic week without Kyle van Noy,
with the banged up Travis Jones, Like, that's not a
good defensive lines this weakest unit on the Ravens as
an entire team, really, So I don't think it was
like impressive of the Lions offensive line to do what

(21:43):
they did.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
And you know, the week before against.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
The Bears, like like the Browns are closer to the
Packers in that regard than they are the other two
opponents they faced. So I'm not ready to say like
that this offensive line is ready for a matchup like this.
I do think they will get kind of bullied by
the Browns defense line, and if they're shutting down the
run and don't have that threat with Montgomery and Gibbs,
that's kind of why I lean towards Again, I do

(22:07):
not think the Browns are gonna win this game. I
am not saying that because I think the Lions defense
will do very very well against the Browns offense, like
every defense does against the Browns offense. But I do
I do think we will come away saying, like, even
if the Lions score scores some points, because they're going
to just over the course of a long game, I
think we'll come away saying the Browns defense won the
battle even if they lost the game, if that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
The Browns defense, man, like if they I mean, they
had such a nice draft, getting the extra first run
pick for next year, getting Mason Taylor, who looks like
a stut already. Carson Schwessinger is like already one of
the like an above average NFL linebacker from the jump,
like he is really good. Grant del Pitt is one

(22:49):
of the better safeties in the league. Like they have
a really tough defense if they can just like finally
figure it out at quarterback, and they do have some
AMMO in the draft next year, like the Browns might
not be And I don't want to give the Browns
fans false hope, because I know they've had plenty of
that over the years, but like they could they could
be competitive in a hurry.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I want to save you here fits from the comments
you said Mason Taylor. It's Mason Graham. Sorry, yeah, obviously
you know that, but just so the commentaris don't jump
on you.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Also shout out to Eliite Collins. He's arguably playing some
of the best football of his career.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's been. I mean, defense is a
lot of efforts. So I wonder if, like later in
the year, if like the offense has been just terrible
all season, and.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
That's you know, that's what I'll worry about it.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
They're not going to play complimentary football right but right now, yeah,
it's early enough that they're still pretty scary, very very scary.

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All Right, guys, Titans at Texans gross key question here.
Houston is the lowest scoring team in football this season.

(24:23):
Tennessee is also bottom five. The total on this game
is down at thirty eight and a half. Actually, I
want to see if it's still there, because that's where
it was again a couple of days ago. I wonder
if that, like the like Bill Saints, has moved at all.
It is, Oh, it's moved up. It's now at thirty
nine on hard Rock Bet.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
So the total in this.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Game is now at thirty nine on hard Rock Bet.
What is the path to this game going over? Basically,
what is the path to these offenses showing us anything
in this game?

Speaker 3 (24:52):
De bro, This is the lowest total of the week.
Am I am? I right with that?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yes, I believe.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I believe it's the second lowest total this season behind
Steelers Jets in Week one, which obviously did go over.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yeah, Minnesota and Pittsburgh's close, but they're not in the thirties.
It's the only one in the thirties. The path for
this going over? Man, really comes down to two things
for me. Houston's offense has to like carry the day here.
Tennessee's not gonna put up a ton of points regardless
of how you look at this. So Houston has to
like somehow find a way.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
C J. Stroud's got to play better.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
It really, I think not only Stroud, but Nico has
to have a big day and he can do that
versus this Tennessee pass defense like they're not very good
man like a lot of too high. Nico's not been
great against it this year. I think it's more of
a Stroud result than it is Nico. But Lugerius Sneed's
not playing great. Although he's talking a little bit of
smack to Nico, Collllins, good luck, Nico's gonna drop one

(25:47):
fifty on you this Week's Need not smart.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
You're just You're not that dude.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Anymore at this part of your career to sit here
and be talking that crap to one of the best
wide receivers in the league.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Godspeed. But the other thing I'll.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Bring up here is that for Houston to sit here
and put up the points to push this to the
over because I just don't think the Tennessee Titans have
the capability with their with their offense, it helps them.
Of Derek Stingley, this is this game, but still like
Calvid Ridley ain't carrying no passing attack in the year
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
It's just not happening, dude.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think this also has to be a good day
for the Houston rushing attack, which they can get there.
Tennessee cannot stop the run like. They're fourth worst an
explosive run rate in rushing yards per game. I'm not
telling you that Nick Chubb looks like yesterdayear Nick Chubb,
but against this run defense, he might surprise some people.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
What do you think fits? What's the path the over here?

Speaker 6 (26:37):
Oh man?

Speaker 5 (26:38):
Trying to pin a picture of an interesting fun Texans
Titan scan. That's a tall order word, but well, I
mean you could say that the Texans haven't been especially
good against their run like. Their run defense is twenty
eighth in DVA. They've given up four rushing touchdowns, and
the Texans are also twenty sixth in pressure rate, which
is pretty disappointing for a team with Willane Anderson and

(27:00):
daneil Hunter. I don't get that. But if the Titans
can run the ball effectively keep like down in distance
manageable and keep the Houston pass rush from getting the
cam Ward who's been smacked around in the first three weeks.
I'm worried the kid isn't going to survive the season.
But if that happens, maybe the Tennessee offense can be functional,

(27:21):
you know, if they keep those guys from getting award.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
And then on the other side.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Of the ball, the Titans' defense is twenty ninth in DVA,
like thirty first in DVA against the run. So yes,
the Houston offensive line is just garbage. But if it
can be just decent this week, like, you can certainly
move the ball and score points on the Titans.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
D Yeah, I don't really want to talk any more
about this game because.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
It's okay, it's agreed, gross dude, so gross.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
All right, let's go to Panthers at Patriots.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
After all the fumbles from the New England backfield last week,
is this the game Trayvon Henderson finally gets unleaded.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Man, you would hope.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
So if you are Travian Henderson investor, like, it had
to be really frustrating for the Henderson investors that after
Ramandra Stevenson coughed up his second fumble last week. Antonio
Gibson was in on the next series, got to carry
on first down, got another carry on second down, and
then fumble the ball away himself. So that was early

(28:22):
third quarter. The good thing was after that Gibson fumble,
from that point on, Henderson was the only New England
running back who touched the ball the rest of the game.
I like Henderson. His snaphas were thirty five percent in
week one, h thirty one point seven percent in Week two,
up to forty five point nine percent last week with

(28:42):
the spike and usage in the second half. So maybe
his snapchare hits fifty percent for the first time this week.
Like all we ask please Traveon Henderson just hold onto
the ball.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, he's not somebody who fumbled, you know in college
or I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
Not an issue. I mean, anyone can cough it up.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
But like it hasn't been a problem for him, it's
clearly been a problem for Romandre and Gibson over their careers.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah for sure, deebro, what do you think is this
the game?

Speaker 4 (29:12):
If this isn't the game, I don't know what the
game is gonna be. Man, I mean to be honest, like,
this is the perfect matchup, this is the one that
you unleash him, but both the other running backs have
fumbled and to fit to his point, after the Ramandre
put the ball on the ground in the third quarter,
Henderson played seventy two percent of the snaps after that.
For the rest of the game, he had a sixty
three percent route share. I think this is the week

(29:34):
that they unleashed Traveon Henderson. The Panthers just they're just
giving up everything on the ground. Man, Like their their
pass defense has been really good, but their run defense
has been god awful.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Still.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
I was hoping it was gonna be better with some
of the additions they made Derek Brown coming back, but
it has not worked out. It has not been the case.
And if there was ever a game to get Trevion
Henderson going, it is this one against a Carolina run
defense that's given up the eighth most rushing yards and
the highest yards out of contact. Forer attempt to win.
And I guess the only thing that my takeaway with
Travion right now is I'm kind of surprised that I

(30:07):
know it's only nineteen carries.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
I get that guys. I'm kind of surprised, like how.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Little he's making guys miss, Like he has only a
five percent mistackle rate. So again, I think this is
more small sample because the guy is explosive. We saw
that multiple years in college. I don't think that he
just lost all of that. But it is a little
bit eyebrown raising, eyebrow raising to this point that that
he's done or hasn't done what he hasn't done with

(30:33):
the work that he's been given.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Where is he ranked for you, debro?

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Oh, I think I got him inside my top twenty
four running backs right now? Oh wow, Yeah, I've got
him at RB twenty three. Like I do think that
this is the game where he gets unleashed. I think
he's probably gonna play at least fifty percent of the snaps,
and again, he hasn't looked like great on a per
touch basis to this point.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
This this is the matchup. This, this is the matchup.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Like we also like what Traves e TM did a
week one and what he hasn't done since week one?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Like this is it? Dude?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Fits? Did you say where you have him ranked?

Speaker 5 (31:09):
Thirty one for Henderson, thirty three for Remondra I'm just
not totally convinced that they do the right thing and
play Henderson more.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Okay, Rabel doesn't seem like the head coach that's going
to sit here and force that. FITZI, like the old
school guy is like, not, you're in the Brabel doghouse, baby, Like.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
He was like, Remandre needs to figure this out because
we need him to, you know, be a real significant
part of this team. Like he was talking like he
wants him to keep getting chances and figure it out.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
And I don't know if that's gonna play out.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
If only the doghouse is deep and ugly, man, I.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Know, if only if only every coach, uh, Like, if
only Rabel was as quick to throw Remondra in fumble
jail as like Ron Rivera used to be to throw
Gibson into fumble jail.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh jeez man.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Uh.

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claim your prize. Guys, how about Chargers at Giants. Camscataboo
is taking over the Giants backfield fits, but the Chargers
defense is no joke. Where are you ranking him this week?
Expert consensus ranking has him at RB twenty three. That's

(32:38):
in half PPR scoring. Let me just make sure that
an update RB twenty two now so moved up to
a spot.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
So the Chiefs R on defense no joke either. And
Scataboo ten carries for sixty yards and a touchdown on
the ground last year and in addition to six yards
per carry against that very good Chiefs run defense. Sketubo's
work in the passing game was even more exciting. I
think six catches sixty one yards on eight targets.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
This guy is so much fun.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
I wasn't sure how well Cam Scataboo's game was going
to translate to the NFL like the physical tackle breaker
going against a different breed of defenders and tacklers. It
looks like it's gonna translate very well. Thank you. You know,
Cam Scataboo is just so hard to bring down. I've

(33:27):
got him RB fourteen this week. No Tyrone Tracy for
the Giants. He dislocated his shoulder last week. The Giants
backfield now belongs to Cam Skataboo, and you would imagine
the Giants are gonna want to lean on him pretty
heavily this week. With rookie QB Jackson Dart making his
first NFL start against this good Chargers defense.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
De Bro, you seemed to be in agreement here, dude.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
I was hoping fits he wasn't gonna come here throw
cold water on this man. I'm so in.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
I've got Cam Skataboo at Rby's sixteen. I think he's
gonna crush this week, and I think it's it's gone
under the radar. You can run the ball against the
freaking Chargers. This defense has given up the seventh highest
explosive run rate and the highest mistackle rate. Well, oh

(34:19):
guess what on top that cherry on top of all
of that, they got the third lowest stuff rate, and
they get cams Kataboo this week. Dude, We're gonna get
some really good gifts and stuff out of Campscattaboy and
some good moments. I think he's gonna have a really
good game, Man Strong RB two. I'm all in for it.
And I think I had to include him because he

(34:41):
was a little bit I think it was an RB
twenty five when we did the primer video, which should
be live on YouTube at the time you're watching this.
I had to include him because I felt like with
people with the roster composition, Camskatabou as a player you
probably drafted as like an RB three, RB four, and
you're like, at this point, it's Jackson Dart's first game
and the defense and you're so worried, and everybody's like,

(35:01):
I don't know if I should play him or not.
You need to play camp Scataboo this week. He's an
RB two. Get him into your flex. He's probably a
flex on most different rosters unless you just lost like
James Connor other injuries. Aaron Jones, you should be licking
your chops to play Camp Scataboo this week.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
Isn't the NFL so much more fun where there's a
running back like Mike Alstott or you know, sorry Hill
date you but John Riggins. Yes, it's just so impossible
to tackle and just bounces defenders off them like ping
pong balls, like Scataboo is is just going to be

(35:38):
a joy to watch, man.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
I can't wait to enjoy his career.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I think it's a good point by you, debro On,
Like he was not drafted to be a starter, so
unless you've had injuries like you are gonna have to
choose to play him ahead of somebody that you had
drafted ahead of him and who maybe even has played
okay this season for you, Like.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
I got a great one I got. I know you're
searching for.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
A name worm, Yeah, go ahead, Cam's Cattaboy or Chase Brown.
Come on, you know we all want to say Cam's.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Cataboo, Like.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, ironically, Chase Brown is actually ranked back to back
with him in the CR I feel like like I'm
still playing Cam's Cattaboy, Like yeah, I was gonna say
Javante or Scattaboo.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
David Montgomery Cam just exactly.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
I will be really excited to well, well, I mean,
let's see this step brother, then we'll move off this point.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Where is the rest of season for you?

Speaker 4 (36:41):
I think he's a comfortable RB two high end RB two.
I'm looking at my rest of the season ranks and
I'm probably got him too low in there, but RB
twenty I've got him as rest of the season ranks. Okay,
he's not giving if he stays healthy, he's not giving
this job back to Tyrone Tracy. I want to be
very clear about that. I said that in the off season.
Brian Dable has a history of utilizing one back again

(37:04):
Pop Quiz Time Boys. Who was the OC with Peyton
Hillis's monster season, It was Brian freaking day Ball like
this archetype of volume compiling back. He likes this archetype
of back. It was Devin Singletary, it was Zach Moss,
but Zach Moss wasn't good enough in Buffalo to take
the job. So he's going to take this job and
health permitted.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Because of the I.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Understand his play style and as the touch is kind
of like ramp up and the hits ramp up, there
are worries there for me. But if he stays healthy,
he's not letting go of this job.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
He's not.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Let's go to Eagles at Buccaneers. This is the last
game in the early slay fits. Was the second half
against the Rams and outlier for the Eagles offense or
did they unlock something in their passing game for moving forward?

Speaker 5 (37:49):
I'd like to think they unlocked something, and if their
passing game was locked, it was pretty much self locking,
like they just had not been throwing downfield very much.
But then and you know, they fell behind against the
Rams and really opened up the offense in the second
half and they look great, like Jalen Hurts was throwing darts.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
AJ Brown was making plays. Hopefully we get more of
that this week.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Deebro, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (38:14):
I think this is a case the Eagles felt like
the person that locked their keys in the car. You
can't drive anywhere when you don't have a keep freaking
keys man, and the keys to this offense. And no
shade against Saquon Barkley, but should be the passing attack
and stuff man. Like Saquan's per touch efficiency has not
been great this year. I mean that has to get
noted here. And you have two of the best wide
receivers arguably the best wide receiver tandem in the entire

(38:36):
freaking NFL. And I think, what really is going to
kind of like push the Eagles in this direction this week?

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Especially?

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Is there against another pass final defense like the Buccaneers
are an elite run defense their top twelve and stuff rate,
Lewismith's tackle rate and yards before contact per attempt. So
looking at just this matchup, yes, the Eagles should lean
into their passing attack. Can I tell you definitively that
they're not gonna be hard headed and try to run
the ball in the first quarter and then find out, oh,

(39:03):
this is probably a really stupid idea and then change course.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Possibly that feels probably maybe more likely that they pivot
part way through the game.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
I hope they don't wait until the freaking fourth quarter
at this time and say, oh, hey, guess what we
should probably do this thing this other thing that we're
really good.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
By the way, the Rams would like a word about
that best wide receiver tandem thing?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Oh well, yes, you're right, good, good shout out.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I want to ask, on the other side of this game,
what are our expectations for a Mecca BUCA with Mike
Evans out Debro.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
He's gonna get a crap down a volume, like dude.
He last week he had almost a twenty eight percent
target share, And that was one of the things that
I was not that I was taught saying at Mecca's
early season production was fraudulent, but it was very much
carried by touchdowns. Like he was living in that like
eighteen to nineteen percent target share range. It wasn't as
high as I think like people would believe, just saying

(39:57):
looking at the fantasy production. So last week seeing him
garner a wide receiver one type of workload where he
had a twenty seven point five percent target share, he
had a thirty five percent first read chare those were
really good things because you're either one of the wide
receivers that is the archetype of player that can command
volume and earn volume at that type of clip, or

(40:20):
you're not and it's that freaking easy. So, like we
get into this realm of like projecting guys to earn
better target shares than maybe their archetype or their talent
allows them to do. That was really encouraging to see
from a Mecca. I'm worried about him this week because
I'm worried about do they do the Eagles put Quinjon
Mitchell on him, because Quinyon has followed guys like he

(40:43):
followed Adams last week on almost eighty percent of his routes.
If that happens, I'm worried about Ameca's outlook. But I
think the volume is definitely gonna be there because Baker
doesn't have a whole lot of other options.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, Fitz Deepro kind of hit on the follow up.
I was going to ask, which is the volume is
clearly going to be high or at least expect, But
so with the defensive attention.

Speaker 6 (41:04):
That's exactly it's the push pull on that.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
And Iguca was just sort of maximizing a modest target
share early on. Then last year or last week, I
should say, spike in target share and you figure he's
going to see more targets this week with no evans.
But yeah, maybe he gets locked up by Quinnon Mitchell.
So yeah, I've got him rank like wide receiver sixteen,
What about you, de Bro.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
I've got him. I was actually pulling that up.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
One of my worries here and not decide I've got
a Wade receiver eighteen just because of the volume one
of my worries, and this is a quiet worry. We
have to see if this is going to pan out.
I don't know if Josh Josh Grizzard is any good man,
and just trying to read the small tea leaves of stuff,
like the things that we saw Liam Cohen adjust and
do different, Like when the entire offense got like just

(41:53):
cratered to nothing and Kate Auton has put into a
power slot role and he has a few monster games.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
What scared me.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
About the way that Grizzard deployed this offense in previous games,
like just this is a perfect parallel to this the
week against the Texans when Mike Evans is getting shadowed
by Derek Stingley, and the way that you change you
flip this matchup and you put it back in your
favor is you move Mike Evans, put him in the

(42:20):
freaking slot and Derek Stingley is not following him to
the slot. Like that's just what it's a cheat code.
He didn't do it. He just put Mike Evans out
there on the boundary and said, sure, just go win.
It's cool, go win.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
If he does that. This week versus a Mecca but the.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Bucks are going to struggle as a passing attack because
they don't have a CounterPunch. So I'm worried about is
Grizzard not a great oc and did the Liam Cohen
magic kind of like leave out of the room. Because
little things like that, where you make it easier for
your offense and you exploit different matchups, those are the
things you want to press the easy button for your
quarterback and your offense. I don't know if dude is

(42:57):
good enough to do that.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Let's go to the late afternoons late Sunday Colts at Rams, which,
by the way, I think is the highest total of
the week of forty nine and a half on hard
rock bet. I actually really like the under on that, truthfully.
But there are a couple of studs in this game
that we are definitely very happy to be starting in
our fantasy lineups.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I want to ask you guys about two.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Of them, who finishes better at their position this week
Jonathan Taylor or Pooka Nakua? And then also who finishes
better at their position this season if we guaranteed health
for these guys. If you look at the consensus rankings
on the flex rankings, because obviously the different positions. Jonathan
Taylor is third overall, Pukuakua is fourth overall. Taylor, of course,

(43:40):
is behind a couple of running backs in the consensus rankings.
Puka is behind nobody at wide receiver. But how do
you guys see this playing out? Who's better this week
and for the season, deebra, I'll start with you, Jonathan
Taylor ort Pooka Nakua.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
This is not my bias showing. I promise it's not, Guys.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
I'm so sure this is Puoka, this is Pooka now,
and this is Pooka rest us Pookah's I mean, dude,
he hasn't scored any receiving touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
I know he got one in the ground.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
He has scored zero receiving touchdowns. And the dude is
the runaway wide receiver one in fantasy points per game
right now, with zero receiving touchdowns. He's gonna he's scoring
twenty four point five fantasy points per game with one
freaking touchdown on the year, one total.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
That's it. And he's not slowing down this week.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Where this is a week where I'm not saying JT
slows down, but I think like tempering expectations because the
Rams do have a really good run defense, Like they're
allowed the six lowest explosive run rates, seventh lowest miss
tackle rate, so they are a good run defense. So
I think Jonathan Taylor has a quiet not a quiet week,
Like he's still gonna get twenty to twenty five opportunities,

(44:46):
He's still probably gonna score touchdowns. So like I'm just saying,
this is not a smash tailor type of matchup. Whereas
dude Pooka, Nakua Colts run single high at fifty five
percent of their defensive snaps. Pooka's usage has been just
Puca's usage has been ridiculous the whole entire season. But
versus single high, dude, he's got a forty six point

(45:06):
three percent target cheer, He's got five point six yards
per route run.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
These are video game type of metrics.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
These are ridiculous numbers like this is Madden on Easy
Mode type of numbers.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
So pook is my answer for both of these fits.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
I'll say Pooka on both counts two, Like he is
a reception machine, like twenty nine catches leading the league,
Like remember that Cooper Cup season in twenty one.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
I was going to bring that up.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Yeah, it was one hundred and forty five catches that
you're in almost two thousand receiving yards for Cooper Cup. Like,
if Puka stays healthy all year, he could put up
those types of numbers.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Bitfitsy to your point. He's on pace right now for
one hundred and ninety eight targets, one hundred and sixty
four receptions, almost nineteen hundred receiving yards eighteen eighty seven.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
That's just stupid, man.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
You know what do you know, if the top of
your head, who's second in the NFL in receptions right now?

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (46:03):
Good lord, I don't it's Jake Ferguson. What too?

Speaker 5 (46:09):
Only Jake Ferguson only has two fewer catches than Puka Nukua.
Jake Ferguson is on pace for one hundred and fifty
three catches, right.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
That is a sultry stat It's a it's very well done.
It's that's that's nice.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
It's not on the same level as Pooka, but I
do think it is worth like giving some praise to
Jonathan Taylor also, who is having a ridiculous right one
hundred and ten in your rushing yards per game, averaging
a touchdown per game, although obviously on the ground, those
all came in.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
The same matchup pace. Right now, like I'm asking, I'm
about to look this up.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Is he I can't do that math that quickly. He
has three hundred and thirty eight rushing yards through three games, So.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
I'm looking up whatever that.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I'm letting Pro Football Reference. Who is for me?

Speaker 6 (46:54):
You know, a couple of years ago whenever.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Nineteen fifteen, nineteen.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
And he has he has, he has finished the last
each of the last He's been RB one on the week.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
A couple of years ago, before the injury, everyone was saying,
like Nick Chubb was the best pure runner in the league,
even if he wasn't necessarily putting up the best numbers.
Like I think Jonathan Taylor gets that title now. He
is the best peer runner in the league.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, I mean he he just looks really good.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
And I think just more versatility, more explosion, I think
than like Derrick Henry, uh like, and Henry's great, and like,
I just think he's got a little more. I think
he's better inside than b Jon Robinson.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Is My takeaway with JT two is the injuries. I
was lower on him and I'll own that than consensus,
Like I did not have good things to say because
of Daniel Jones, the target chair everything like that. The
injuries really hurt him last year.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
And that's hard.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
That's a hard thing to quantify and know because we
don't we're not in the room and we don't know.
But like looking at the per rush metrics last year,
we're horrible for JT. He's bounced back, like he's all
the way back to like that the like what fits
he was talking about being like in the conversation or
leading the pack for the best pure rusher in the
NFL right now, Like the injuries were really really bothers

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him for him last.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Year, It's funny I ranked him ahead of consensus, like
for draft season, and and yet I barely drafted him
anywhere because I kept just going at him. I liked
him at costs, but I just kept liking other players.
There was always one player that fell to me that
I liked a little bit better, usually at a different position,
you know, I like I liked the receiver there, or
felt like it was a league I wanted to take
a swing of hours or something like that.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
So I didn't really.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Didn't know Daniel Jones was going to be this year,
Sam Arnold, weren't you didn't know that? I mean, that's
what you know.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
We get in the comments these days, it's like come oh, guys,
Like I'm like, dude, it's staying.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
If you told me the entire league stayed healthy this year, like,
I don't think this is I think Jonathan Taylor finished
his hiss RB one this year, like assuming health. I
I legitimately think very highly of him. But Pooka has
been awesome also, so that's why I put them together.
Let's go to the next game here. Jaguars at forty
nine ers. Ricky Pearsall is ranked three spots higher than
Brian Thomas Junior in this game game in the rest

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of the ah ME, not rest of season, in the
expert consensus rankings for this week, but the rest of
season rankings have Thomas eight spots ahead of Pearsaul. Do
both of those sound right to you? So again, I'll
read that again because I kind stumbled over that Piersaw
is three spots higher for this week in the consensus rankings,
but Thomas is eight spots higher for rest of season
in the consensus rankings. Fits do those both sound right
to you or would you change either? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (49:26):
No, I understand that disparity, and I have that same
type of disparity in my own rankings for Ricky Pearsall
and Brian Thomas Junior for Week four and the rest
of the season. Part of the reason I have Pearsall
ranked wide receiver twelve this week is because George Kittle
isn't playing and Juwan Jennings might not play. But those
guys are both going to be playing soon, and then

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I might not have Pearsall ranked in the top twenty
your top twenty five. Brian Thomas Junior, things are just
so bad right now. It seems like he has the yips.
He's caught seven out of twenty five targets, a twenty
eight percent cat trait. It's really hard to confidently endorse
him this week when things are so bad. But we've
seen how good this guy can be. Like, I don't

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think it's crazy to think BTJ can get the train
back on the tracks at some point and be something
closer to the Brian Thomas Junior we saw last year.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
What do you think, Debro, I think Pearsall should be
ahead of him and both of them I worry about
George Kittle coming back. I'm not that worried about Brandon Ayuku.
We saw the statement saying that he's nowhere close to
one hundred percent or seeing in the field. Jwan Jennings,
I can at this point of the season, he's already
like really really banged up.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Is he going to make it through the season. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
So this could be legit the CMC Pearsall and George
Kittle Show. And if that's the case, he's got enough
volume man, and Ricky p has been freaking fantastic, Like
we all, like everybody's like, oh, okay, can he really
step forward and be the guy? Can he be the
guy that you know? First round wide receiver? And with
the final two games of last year, real when the

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forty nine ers put it at his feet and said,
can you step up and be the number one guy
we needed you to be? And he's wide receiver sixteen.
He's got a twenty one percent target chair, he's averaging
ninety three point seven receiving yards, he's got two point
six yards per route run, and he's commanding almost a
twenty eight percent first reach here outside of the target chair.
The rest of those are wide receiver one numbers. So

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I don't have a lot of questions about Ricky P.
I got tons of questions about Brian Thomas Junior, whether
it's Liam Cohen that offense, Trevor Lawrence, Brian Thomas Junior himself,
and whether this is his play or in his head
or the wrist injury, because again we don't know the
severity of that. They could say he's a full practice
and that doesn't mean anything, man, Like these guys practice reports.

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And I'm not saying I'm not conspiracy theory, like, but
I've been around fantasy and the NFL long enough that
we see every single year reports documentaries, Netflix specials come
out and it's like.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Oh, this dude was way more hurt than we thought,
or he was a.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Full time practice participant, and but now we have video
stuff on the Netflix documentary saying the like, bro, I
couldn't even make a fist. I couldn't even pick up
like a soda to drink with that arm, Like if ever,
would y'all be this surprised if this week's game we
get one of those sideline clips like everybody was doing
with Joe Burrow before, Like, look, Brian Thomas Junior is
not grabbing his water bottle with with that hand.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Uh oh, Like I'm not gonna be shocked.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
So I think it's just I'm going with talent, and
I'm going with the healthy guy, and who's producing Ricky Piersol.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Let's go to Ravens at Chiefs. The Ravens defense has
been really bad in their two games against Non Brown's offenses,
and their entire starting defensive line is now injured. Although
Travis Jones did return to practice on Thursday, it was
in a limited capacity. Obviously, nom Dematic Week is still
not gonna be playing this week. We don't know if

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and when he'll even be back with his next stuff.
And of course Kylevin no, I still not practice.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Know it's very bad.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
It's so sad.

Speaker 6 (52:56):
I question, Oh my goodness, we.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Are grinning because you sound so pain.

Speaker 6 (53:05):
Were car, I know, when you were like the.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Ravens defense is playing so bad? Like I was like, oh,
this dude's going through.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
It like no, no, I mean, obviously it has been tough.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I I you might remember guys that I did kind
of predict I was when I was pushing back into.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
An audible hug here but no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
What I'm saying is like I was, I kind of
predicted that the run defense was going to be a
problem this year, and it's been much worse than I expected.
Of course I didn't expect this level, but that was
my concern for the team going into the season. So
it's not really even that surprising, you know, to me
and crushing. It's just it's kind of what I expected,
just on a more extreme version of it.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
And of course the injuries.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
What I really feel bad about and actually like kind
of crestfalling for is is Madaw Weekk, who's a great
player and uh simularly a great person who has possibly
not going to play again type of injury. Like it's
it's really unknown right now what's going on with his
neck injury, but it's it's just very scary. But I
said all that is the reason I bring this up
is to say Isaiah Pachecko has also been super bad,

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but he now gets to go up against this really
beaten up and you know, bad and no.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Depth defensive line.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
So I'm wondering what kind of game you guys are
expecting from Pachecko considering his poor start to the season.
But that this is actually a very good matchup. And
even if the Chiefs end up having to if the
Ravens offense, you know, plays really well, even in a
tough matchup against the Chiefs defense. Well maybe not that tough,
but you know, a matchup that's given them, you know,
problems in the past. The Chiefs will have to throw
a lot, so you would think, well, maybe Pachecko doesn't

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do that well, but I think there will be scoring opportunities. Plus,
like I said, the beat up defensive line so fits.
I'll start with you on this one. What kind of
game are you expected from Pachecko given all that?

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Even if he runs more effectively than he has in
his first three games, and he's only averaging three point
seven yards per carry, with his longest run of the
season going for just ten yards, I don't know if
he gets enough work to really move the needle in
fantasy like Pachecko just the snap shares are around fifty percent.
He hasn't had more than ten carries in a game
and he's only had six targets all season, with just

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three in.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
The last two weeks.

Speaker 5 (55:06):
So I don't really see a big game for him.
And if he does go for one hundred yards rushing
against your Ravens worm, then it's safe to totally abandon hope.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah, if you can't take advantage of this matchup, I
think that's a that's a fair point, Debro.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
What do you think I said exactly what I said
in the primer. I'll say again here, Baltimore's a terrible
run defense. If you're willing to flex Pacheco again at
this point, godspeed. Like he's not playing well. He's on
an offense that has had If he can't get it
done through against the Giants, he's not going to get

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it done.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I mean if you're not If let me ask you this, Debrot,
they don't want.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
To run the ball either. They don't even want to
run the ball.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
If you're not starting him in this matchup, shouldn't you
just drop him?

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Why is he even on your team?

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Like I dude, I don't disagree at all.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Like he's on it.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
He's playing effectively on a per touch basis. He's in
an offense that doesn't want to freaking run the ball.
So even if you want to talk about volume, he's
not going to get there. The Chiefs has already told
you that they don't want to do that. They're not
going to feature him. If anything, I'll take a left
field shot on freaking Burchard Smith catching a wheel route
in this game. Then I will on freaking flexing Isaiah

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freaking Pacheco. And to that point, the Ravens have been
bad versus receiving backs over the last two years, so
I would rather bet on that than anything with Pachecko. No,
just I'm not man like. It all lines up that
he's not getting usage. The team doesn't want to want
to run the freaking ball. He's not good at running

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the ball. Tell me, would you all be surprised or
if you're not betting this, but who leads them and
carries this week, Isaiah Pachecko or Kareem Hunt?

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Hunt?

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Probably Hunt, maybe fifty to fifty.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
By the way, I don't have a good feel on
the total for this game. It's at forty nine. I
would bet a lot of money on Chiefs plus two
and a half. I think that line is a mistake.
The Ravens have beaten the Chiefs in this era of
Lamar and mahomes Oh.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
I think the Ravens are going to hand it to him.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Man, They've only beaten him once. Ever, they get out
of their themselves when they face Kansas City. It's in
Kansas City. They just they they freak themse. Even when
they are the better team, they get in their own
heads and they always they get away from who they are.
They always look bad against Steve Spagnolo, Like, I don't
understand why the Chiefs are dogs. And also the ref

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in this game, Warren Sharp was just tweeting this out.
I forget the ref's name, but I just thought it
was earlier this morning that lifetime in games that the
Ravens have played with this ref, they're zero to three
and the Chiefs lifetimes in game with this ref are
six and zero. So like it just is very much
going against the Ravens, even setting aside the fact that
they're always bad against the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Like, I know we're gonna get.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
One of those moments where Mahomes like does that crap
where he runs along the sideline and then he like
tries to fall over and pretend like somebody tried to
like take his heill off and they touched his thigh
or something.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
I tell like, obviously I would love to be wrong,
but I really do not think the Ravens are winning
this game, I will be very shocked. Honestly, I think
Chiefs plus two and a half is eight smash, but
I would love to be wrong, so we'll see what
I will.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Be the Ravens fan for this. I think they win.
I think the Chiefs just don't have the firepower.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Man, I appreciate you taking up the torch for me
here Bears at Raiders. Caleb Williams and the Bears are
coming off their best game of the season, but it
did come against the Tallis defense that makes everybody look
like they have the best game of their season. How
will Chicago follow it up against the Raiders de bro
I think.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Well, and I think this Raiders defense is slowly evolving
into the Raiders defense that I thought we were going
to get this year.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
And they're not very good. Their secondary is not very good.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Like they'd give another the seventh highest Sharks for ten,
ten highest pass rating and tenth most passing arts per game.
I think it's another opportunity for Roma Dunes eight to
just eat Man lots of single high coverage. He's got
a twenty nine point six percent target chair. I think
Caleb's gonna feature him and they're I think Caleb's gonna
have another good day.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
By the way, just because I only just mentioned this
and this came out a minute ago on Twitter, Kyle
van Noy was back at practice for the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
For whatever that's.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Worth it, let's go, let's go, all right?

Speaker 2 (59:24):
So all right, Ravens mind is two and a half?
Go for it?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Not? Yeah, love to see it.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, Kylevenoi moves the live five points for me.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Uh fits.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
What do you think on Bears Raiders?

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Well, the Raiders are twenty sixth the DVOA against the pass,
They're twenty first in pressure rates. So Caleb kind of
goes from one soft matchup against Dallas into another against
Las Vegas. He's QB three in fantasy scoring, sixth in
passer rating among quarterbacks with more than one starts, tied
for second, and touchdown passes eleventh in passing yard edge.

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It's been pretty good. And he's adding rushing value too,
with ninety seven rushing yards in a touchdown. Looks like
a pretty good spot for him. And you know, maybe
this Ben Johnson Caleb Williams marriage is gonna work after all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I deeverer, have you started to I'm guessing the answer
this is no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
But do you feel any differently about like Caleb's long
term outlook after the start of the season or no.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
I I don't want to sound like just the Caleb
Hader constantly. I do think it has to get pointed
out that, like I think it was three or all
of it, all of his passing touchdowns were against terrible
blown assignments by Dallas. So I don't think we've seen
a big enough sample, especially him versus like actually good defenses.

(01:00:45):
I think he's gotten a lot of cupcake matchups. He's
gonna get another one this week. Not saying that he won't,
but I want to see Caleb perform better when things
are not going his way, in the sense of when
a team can pressure you and it's against a good
like not like a freaking Minnesota Vikings, but like a
top seven to ten defense that can get after him'.

(01:01:08):
That's the litmus test of like playing on schedule and
backfoot rip it and playing better against pressure instead of
trying to hero ball and falling back into the things.
That's what I want to see for Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
He does that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I'm more in the camp of believing than I am
still skeptical.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Sunday Night football, Packers at Cowboys. What is the Cowboys
passing game going to look like against what is a
great defense, and also that they are, in fact without
Cede Lamb fits I'll start.

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
With you, probably not pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
The Packers are really applying the heat on quarterbacks and
they're giving up four point eight yards per pass attempt,
and I just I don't know if George Pickens can
be a lead receiver in place of Lamb. That was
kind of one of the things that had us excited,
maybe people who wanted to invest in Pickens that he
didn't have to be a lead receiver with Ceedee Lamb around.

(01:02:04):
He could just kind of do his thing like I'm
I don't he doesn't really run the whole route tree,
like his thing is making big plays down the sideline,
and asking him to be a one for one ced
Lamb replacement just doesn't work. So I think they're going
to struggle.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
What do you think, Debro, I mean, I think what
are we going to see from the Cowboys offense. We're
going to see a crap ton of George Pickens and
Jake Ferguson. So I don't know how much success they're
going to have, and I think a lot of that
comes down to I mean they're down some offensive linemen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I don't know how much time Dak is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
Going to have, but I think that Pickens and Jake
Ferguson are going to get a crap ton of targets.
Like pencil them both in for like eight to twelve targets.
They're going to get featured. And historically, George Pickens is
very good against Single High, like that's his bread and butter,
So I've got a little more hope against Like if
you were to tell me the Packers d up into
like a too high a shell, then good luck. I mean,

(01:03:03):
Ferguson is would be it and Pickens is going to struggle.
But if if the Packers match him up with Single High,
I think Pickens can have some success because he's going
to get fource fed volume. But I'm not telling anybody
it's gonna be pretty because Michael Parsons is in that
backfield all freaking day standing over Dak Prescott.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
It's it's not gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
How many sacks is Micah getting in this game?

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Fits, I'll say just one because he's gonna get double
and triple teamed all game.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
But like collectively, I think the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Just one.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
The Packers are going to get six, but Mica just
gets one because of all the defensive attention and Debro
mentioned it they've got. They lost their starting center Cooper Beebie.
He's not playing first round rookie Tyler Booker. He's out
for this game. So like down a couple of starting
offensive linemen against this Packers pass rush is just not

(01:03:58):
a good scene for the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Debra, I'll take the over. I think Parsons Saxon twice.
Like if I was a betting book, I would sit
the line at one and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
All right, let's go to We have a two games
on Monday Night Football Jets at Dolphins is the first one.
Breese Hall now has head back to back tough games
coming off of his Great League one. He now gets
the Dolphins defense in a possible get right game. Deebro,
predict his stat line.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Dude, this is a fun NERD experience for me. I
love this question because I like went through I got
into it deep in the bag. I was like, all right,
we're gonna go rushing Ray. We're looking at rushing volume.
I want to sit here and see how many projects
like I went like full projections mode with this, so
and then afterwards I compared it against what's live on
Fantasy pro site. It was pretty freaking close, man. So

(01:04:44):
I have Breesehall for sixteen rushing attempts, eighty rushing yards,
two catches, twenty one receiving yards, and I'll give him
a score. I know the red zone has been more
Braven Allen, so maybe that goes sideways.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
The site had.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Him for fourteen point four sixty two point four, three
catches and twenty six yards, So comparatively, I'm a little
more bullish because I think the Jets are just I mean,
the Dolphins run defense has got awful, so I'm more
ceiling focused here. But eighteen touches versus the site seventeen
and a half, I have one hundred and one total yards,
and the site for Fantasy Pros we haven't projected for

(01:05:20):
eighty eight point four, so pretty close fits.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Yeah, I'm actually pretty close to Debro on the rushing
prediction and pretty close to our projections at Fantasy Pros
with the receiving. So I've got seventeen for seventy five
on the ground, three for twenty eight in the air. No,
I'll say no touchdowns. But like opponents are running on
the Dolphins defense at the highest rate in the league.

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Like Miami opponents have run the bond fifty two point
eight percent of their offensive snaps. Interestingly enough, the Jets
are being run on at the second highest rate, fifty
one point three percent.

Speaker 6 (01:05:56):
So you know, this series has been interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
The Dolphins have kind of had the Jets number, and
you know, I was surprised when I saw that Miami
opened its three point favorites, but then I kind of
remember the recent history has been going in the Dolphins direction.
So maybe we see like a run heavy attack for
both teams here, although I don't know, I don't I

(01:06:20):
can't see the Dolphins just pounding away with the running game.
But you never know this is going to be. This
is kind of a sneaky interesting game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Last game of the week Bengals at Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Cincinnati got completely destroyed in Week three, and you might
be able to point to the matchup as particularly tough,
but a game at the Broncos is not that much
easier for a backup quarterback. So how well do we
think the Bengals offense will bounce back Debro.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
They won't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
They're not going to bounce back against this defense the
same problems that Jake Browning had against Minnesota. Tell me
this sounds familiar. Now he faces a defense with Denver
that has the twelve best per rusher rate and they
blitz at the third highest freaking rate. Sound pretty similar
to Brian Flores.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Mm hmmm, because it is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
It is a lot of man coverage. Jamar Chase is
gonna get wrapped up of Patrick's certain this week, so
that's not good. They cannot run the ball. The Bengals
have arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL. Poor
Chase brown dude, he has the lowest yards before contact
per attempt in the NFL to work with, not even
in a full freaking yard zero point four to three.

(01:07:30):
This man is getting contacted before he even gets three
feet past the freaking offensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
So good luck.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Like you're starting Jamar Chase and outside of Jamar Chase,
I don't. And you're just starting Jamar Chase in principle
because of based off of talent and volume. It's not
because if you took the name of Jamar Chase out
of this. Do I want to go up against Patrick
freaking certain?

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
No, I do not.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
But outside of that, I don't want to start a
single other Bengal this week.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
None fits.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
I thought Chase Brown was actually averaging negative yards before
contact per attempt?

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
Is that wrong?

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
Maybe I'm wrong on that, but at any rate, the
Bengals offensive line ranks dead last in the league in
the adjusted line yards run blocking metrics. So yeah, it's
just hard to see any hope for the running game.
And then the Bengals have given up ten sacks in
face arguably the best pass rush in the league, or
maybe it's screen Bays, you know, one of the best

(01:08:28):
pass rushes.

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
In the league.

Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
Nick Benito is just like that. Dude is darn near
unblockable to the Broncos. He is just so good. I
don't see much helpe for the Bengals offense.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Honestly, FITZI, you're almost right. Chase Brown zero point zero two.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
George before he's barely at the positive baby by a.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
Toenail Blueto Blue Tarski.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
So bad, dude, it's so bad on that lovely note.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Will go ahead and wrap up the show because we
went a little long best luck to everybody here in
week four for Debro and fits, I'm Ryan Warmley.

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