September 30, 2025 • 40 mins
The highly anticipated Herd Hierarchy — Colin ranks his Top 10 NFL teams after Week 4, including the Kansas City Chiefs’ return to dominance.
Later, Colin is joined by Nick Wright from First Things First on FS1, to analyze Lamar Jackson’s struggles in big games, especially after another high-profile showdown with Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two. It's a Tuesday. We
are live. Baseball playoffs start tonight, Big Big Cubs, San
Diego Padres lead it off this afternoon. That's the big
headline game, and then tonight Dodgers, Reds, Yankees, Red Sox,
Jmack Hurt, Hierarchy. I'm very excited for it. I do
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think it's hard to fool people. There are some exceptions.
Right now Minnesota and the Chargers offensive lines are a mess.
So I think those teams are better than what you
saw this weekend. I think Baltimore, Kansas City's and Lamar's
head but I think the defense is actually better than
what you're seeing. So we have three teams that have
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major injury cluster injury problems Baltimore, Vikings, Chargers, but I
do and they're better than what you've seen in those units.
But I gotta tell you, I kind of feel like
I know what I know and I see what I
see at this point, and there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Truths, Colin.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I just counted during the break there's five teams with
a winning record in the AFC and seven in the NFC,
So essentially there's only twelve really good teams in the league.
This is gonna be easiest heard hierarchy you've ever done.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Right, Well, here we go on a Tuesday. Let's roll it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College Number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
The Colts. I love their offensive line and their skill offensively.
They had the game and lost it against the Rams.
They have the most efficient offense in the league, and
they don't make mistakes. You can't get to Daniel Jones.
Do I think he's great? Nobody's playing like a b
quarterback with you know, decent arm moves. Well again, Jonathan Taylor.
This offensive line, I mean a Denver Broncos pass rush
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struggled to get to Daniel Jones. If you have an
offensive line this good and Jonathan Taylor, you're gonna make
great quarterbacks. Sit and watch for long stretches. I have
the Colts at ten, number nine Denver Sean Payton has
a career five hundred record in September. Even with Drew
Brees and bow Knicks it's ugly early. This roster is
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really good. They're gonna lead the NFL in sacks again.
Two good running backs, excellent O line, hard to get
to bow Knicks, who throws the ball down the field.
They take big swing. They get a lot of guys
who can run in and catch a lot. Dobbins and
Harvey and MIM's and Franklin and Courtland Sutton. This is
a really deep offense, tip team that also leads the
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league in sacks. Denver nine, number eight Detroit takeout Game
one against Green Bay with the new coordinators. Jared Goff's
completing seventy four percent of his throws this year. Road
greaters up front, excellent backfield. I mean Jared Goff hasn't
been sacked in three games, so he may be better
at home. He may need protection to be great. Well,
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he's getting it with a great run game. Defensively, I
don't think they're great, but they get after the quarterback.
Only Denver gets to the quarterback more I have the Lions.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Tod eight, number seven.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's hard to figure out what Tampa is. I mean,
they're three to one, they're in every game, but the
problem is they're in every game late. They don't put
anybody away. And you know Baker can be reckless. He
is very good throwing the ball down the field. In fact,
he leads the NFL right now five tds no interceptions
on throws twenty plus. He's a risk taker, a Mecca
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Bukaz a star. They got a lot of injuries to
deal with, But I just I like their spirit and
I'm gonna put Tampa at number seven, number six. This
was my team that I thought was underrated. I think
they're gonna be a playoff team. Seattle second best point
differential in the league. They're a great road team. They've
won eight straight road games. I think that speaks to
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their character and their talent. Sam Darnold again leads the
NFL in game winning drives and big pass plays over
the last two years and second in wins. Sam's always
been elite in high school at usc At, Minnesota and Seattle.
Who wins with the Jets in Carolina. This team may
be too young to get to a Super Bowl. But
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opposing quarterbacks this year have a seventy six passer rating
against them. They're legit number five youngest team in the league.
Green Bay I like them. They scored on all five
drives in the second half in overtime against the Cowboys.
They're young, unlike Kansas City or Philadelphia. They don't know
yet how to put away inferior teams. But Jordan Love
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this year eight tuddies, one pick and one hundred and
thirteen passer rating. He's fine. They're great on third down.
It's just they're young. Third straight season, youngest roster and
that's the value of the playoffs for the great teams.
They know how to win games. They don't play well.
Green Bay does it yet. Number four Kansas City I
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kept saying all week. Xavier Worthy matters. He not only
stretches the field, he gives them some volumet wide receiver.
Now you're going to have Rashi Rice in three weeks. Worthy,
Juju Smith, Schusterer's a three. Somebody else will be a four.
Travis Kelsey. No, they're not going to be a great
run team unless they make a move with the trade deadline,
and that worries me. But over the last three weeks
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they have the number two scoring defense and they don't
give the ball away. That's why Buffalo is so dangerous,
and Philadelphia can be dangerous, and Kansas City is They
don't give you the ball. So I get a big
time defense, a great coaching quarterback, and they don't give
you a short field. Kansas City four number three. But
I think the Rams, I'm not sure their weakness. Everything's good.
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I mean, their offensive line isn'tdominant, but Matt Stafford highest
creddit passer in the league, Puka Nakua right now, he's
the best wide receiver in the league. I could reading
nine statsy leagues top ten in scoring defense. I mean,
it's what's amazing is how good their defense is. And
they don't pay any of them. They've hit on so
many draft picks. They remind me of Kansas City's defense
two years ago. It was great and they weren't paying anybody.
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But Chris Jones so coach quarterback defense a lot of wisdom.
I have him at three number two Bills. The defense
worries me and could be their shortcoming. But like Kansas City,
they don't give the ball away. James Cook has taken
off the heavy lifting for Josh Allen. There are games
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he doesn't have to carry it. Highest rushing grade in
the league is James Cook one giveaway in nine games
including the playoffs. They actually lead the NFL right now
in rushing, and that's what we said for years. You
can't ask Josh to be Superman every week. He no
longer is Buffalo at two. Number one, listen, I mean
they even do a good job blocking kicks. They're uneven.
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I do think they have too many really bad halfs.
First half against the Rams, second half against the Bucks.
But the roster is stacked, and every time I doubt
Jalen hurts, he turns it on. So I think there's
something about his kind of personality and his toughness and
his resilience. They're the best two yard team in league history.
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They block kicks, it's just not a lot. They're very
good situationally, so for now, best roster that does a
lot of things well. Number one, Yes, Kansas that he
made a big leap, as our next guest will point to,
I'm probably right on that. I regretted doing it. I
wanted to sneak him at seven and eight, but Nick
Wright joins us live, and I want to start with this.
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I generally don't take eleven to four.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Oh sorry, it says nice to see the Chiefs back
on the hard hierarchy. I was celebrating, Sorry, yeah, go ahead,
and you were saying eleven to four.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Don't do it. But the truth is, you've got to
be honest about this. Is they just needed one legitimate,
big time perimeter threat. They did, and suddenly everybody else
looks good in all the underneath. But the bigger story
is that I never buy into this. I've always said this.
You can go into slumps with golf so much downtime
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gets in your head, or baseball sitting around, but in hockey, basketball, football,
you gotta play. You don't have time to get into
a slump. Stuff doesn't get into your head. And then
I watched Lamar against Kansas City, and I am convinced
they are in his head right well, well.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
To a degree, yes, But there's a lot to unback here, Colin,
So let me take some time because you are I
even saw your tweets saying I tried to tell Jay
Mack about when Xavier Worthy came back, and listen, I'm
all for you giving Jamack a hard time for.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
His chief skepticism.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
But I watched the Super Bowl bubble on Friday's episode.
You know who wasn't even in the bubble for the bubble,
The Chiefs, exactly. And you knew Xavier Worthy was coming back.
So you didn't even make it to October before you
had to admit your Chiefs pessimism was unfounded. And by
the way, where is the greatest coach quarterback combo in
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Southern California?
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Is free?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
The Los Angeles Chargers, Oh no, they're dealing with an
injury now. They're all of a sudden not a top
ten team. But to the Ravens, which is I know
where you wanted to Gouys. Need to get that off
my chest. Listen, the Chiefs are in Lamar's head and
he doesn't perform well in big spots. It's just I
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don't need We do this same exact dance we in
the media every year with this player. He is transcendent
through a regular season. People say he's taken his game
to a new level. He wins or comes close to
winning an MVP. He's the highest rated passer ever.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
He's all of this.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Then in a big spot, he plays his worst game
of the year. Everyone for a moment is like, hmm,
kind of reminds me a bit of a guy who
used to play shooting guard in Houston that we all
thought was an all time great but tightened up in
big spots and couldn't get it done, and then we
forget and it goes all over again. In the last
thirty games, Colin Lamar has two I'm sorry, three multi
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turnover games in his last thirty the AFC title game
against the Chiefs, the Divisional round playoff game against Buffalo,
and Sunday against the Chiefs. He is the highest passer
rating in NFL history and the third highest win.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Percentage in an NFL history.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yet, against Patrick he has an eighty passer rating and
is one in six.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
People don't want.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
For some reason, to admit that Lamar is afflicted by
something that has afflicted at great athletes across all of
sports history. He gets a little tight in big spots.
He doesn't play his best in the biggest moments. I
don't we have no problem. The baseball playoffs are about
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to start. Everybody acknowledges Aaron Judge is one of the
greatest players of all time. Yet he comes up up
to this point in his career consistently short in the postseason,
plays his worst ball in the biggest moments, and you
wonder if he'll get over it. We did it with
James Harden. What I don't understand why it is so
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hard for people to acknowledge that is the case with
Lamar And by the way you saw in this game,
he's instantly throwing his helmet, He's instantly on tilt like
it just is what it is. Maybe he'll get over it.
But it's a big sample size at this.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Point, so.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know, it's interesting with Caleb Williams is that one
of the things I've always bragged about Steph Curry and
Patrick Mahomes is their spectacular But they never missed the layups,
the stuff in the flat. I mean, they don't miss
the laps spectatum and a lot of guys. Cam Newton
was spectacular, he missed a lot of layups. His mechanics
were bad. Caleb Williams makes big time throws justin field.
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Is talented, never does thinking done. Caleb makes big throws
down the field and I do honestly believe he's running
less than he could you can tell he's taking to coaching.
But I am worried a little bit that they had
three picks off Gino and needed a block kick. Because
the operations, the layup stuff, Nick, it's hard to watch
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full starts on fourth down, Like, I'm kind of I'm like,
this stuff didn't seem hard for Mahomes or Steph. No,
it's just it's not pretty right.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
No, So that listen, I think that's totally fair where
I would And I don't know if you and I
agree or disagree on this, but if I am trying
to if I am getting a quarterback who could be
my franchise quarterback, and you're like, listen, he's not a
perfect prospect.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Would you rather prospect A or B?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
A guy who you know makes all the layups, has
all the process stuff down, but has a pretty hard
ceiling on what the upside is. Or a guy like
Caleb whose ceiling is he could be MVP of the league,
can make the fantastic, amazing plays, but what's the layups?
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As you put it is a work in progress. I
would go option B because I I feel like that
stuff can get better over time, but I don't think
it's going to be overnight. I do think it's going
to be overtime. I do, and listen, I was wrong
about that obviously. I thought it was gonna be overnight.
I picked him to go to the super Bowl last year.
He is not as far along from his in the fundamentals,
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the building blocks, as I thought he would be. But
I listen, he's a very different player, and I'm not
I'm only comping it in this one way. As far
as being far away on the fundamentals, that's what Josh
Allen was as a young player. Josh had these wow plays,
but couldn't you know, was very inaccurate, couldn't complete his passes,
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and then got better at that stuff. And so I
like betting on the upside. But I agree with you
in this regard. Right now, the Bears are a team
who can look absolutely amazing for a quarter and then
the very next quarter looked like the worst offense in
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the league. And I think that's going to be a
process over the course of the year.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I think the Josh Allen coomp is I mean, it's
very accurate. Like Josh's first year and a half, he
was jumping over linebackers and salmon balls on screen passes. Yes,
so it was it was interesting. You and I have
been very critical of the Cowboys. I think Dax plan
out of his mind and Schottenheimer deserves credit, but I
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thought the overreaction to the Mica trade was over the top.
I think you have to be great at three things
to be a great team. Head coach, quarterback, and left tackle.
The only times Mahomes has ever gotten blown out, it's
a left tackle issue. It's not a defense. He's won
a Super Bowl with a bad defense. He's won a
Super Bowl with no great receivers, bad left tackle, blown
out flies. The Rams worst year is Andrew Whitworth retires.
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They were good when Aaron Donald left. They were good
with Cooper Cup left. They're good when Von Miller left.
Andrew Whitworth retires, they're bad. And I you know, I
I look at Micah and I'm like, the Packers are
going to lead games late with their offense. They need
a closer.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Dallas is fine.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I mean, I look back at it and I'm like,
I think Jerry Jones were so unwilling to give him credit.
I watched that game Sunday. I'm like, I get four
first round picks in Dallas what did Mica do? Where
are you on that deal?
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Okay, Well, first of all, I think you've let Jerry
mine meld you a bit because the four first round
picks they got two they already had two, So like
this is like the two first round picks, and I
think it is. It would be unfair Colin for me
to judge the trade fully from the Dallas end until
we see the picks, right like they traded for Kenny
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Clark and picks that.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
They haven't used yet.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
So obviously, in the short term it's going to look
better for green Bay and then we have to take a.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Long view of it for Dallas.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
But I have actually I watched Dallas play, Colin, and
I think I come to the opposite opinion of you,
because I've been so impressed by Deck because I have
been pleasantly surprised. Shout out to you know, FS one's
Eric Mangini, who really believed in Brian Schottenheimer when I
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don't think anybody really thought that was a great hire.
I think he's done an awesome job early on. But
that has made me like this trade worse, Colin, because
I watched the Cowboys and I'm like, my god, if
they just could be average on defense, they could be
really interesting. They just put forty on Green Bay without
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ceedee lamb. They damn near beat the Packers. You know,
their offense has been so good that I watched the
Cowboys and I'm like, man, you know what, they could
use an elite pass rusher which they used to have.
Like I almost would feel better about this trade for
Dallas if Dak were having a bad year, because to me,
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then it would be like, Okay, they weren't that close.
They weren't going to compete for anything this year, so
let's retool it. But it feels to me like this
team would be three to one had they just kept
Micah and be an actual dangerous team. So that for
me makes it harder to deal with the vyry Cowboys fan.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
So I J. Mack and I had a disagreement on this.
I said, you an accountant, a judge, a novelist, an actor.
In most careers, you got about twenty five years of
prime and you can work to your seventies. You can't
as a pro football player. And so AJ Brown and
I do think winning matters, but he's already got a trophy.
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I do think if you went to Kobe and said, listen,
you get six shots a game. Kobe would have been like,
peace out, I'm going to go somewhere else. AJ Brown
gets fewer yards than the third Buffalo Bills tight end.
He's got money and he's got a trophy. His legacy
is on the line. He's not necessary. They try to
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target him nine targets seven yards most of the time.
He's just not And I think if I was AJ Brown,
this sounds selfish, but I think pro athletes get cornered
into well it's about winning games. Well that's part of it,
and it's transformational money, and there's legacies involved. And my
take is if I was AJ Brown, I'd go to
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Philadelphia and I'd say quietly, I'm not going to screw
the market up. I'm not going to do a mellow
with the Nuggets to the Knicks where I make it
public and the Knicks the Nuggets are tracks. Yeah, I
would go and just say, hey, Luel Sinder to this
a year before he got traded, I don't want to
be here, make a deal. I think AJ Brown has
a right to leave. I am defending him not staying
with a better organization. Am I wrong? No?
Speaker 6 (19:50):
I mean, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I think that it is I it would be hypocritical
for me to be mad at AJ Brown for acting
I'm pretty sure exactly how.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
I would act in his position, Like.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
I'd be like, I'm if I'm AJ.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Brown, I'm like, I'm awesome. I've always been awesome.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I get drafted by a team that has Ryan Tannehill
and Derrick Henry and they they throw to me as
like a last resort. I think it traded to Philadelphia.
Right when I get there, they throw the ball to
me a bunch. I make all these all pros. The
team's really good. And now over the last twenty games,
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our team has become unbeatable and I've become unusable, Like
what the hell.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Has happened here?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
And so this is like I try to give grace
to you know, athletes. If I'm if I can think
of a you know, a comp for me, and what
I would do, Like if somebody, if if Fox came
to me, they're like, hey, Nick, we want you to
do a sixty second essay during the Super Bowl. There's
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going to be one hundred million, one hundred and twenty
million people watching now. In order to do it, the
whole week leading up to the super Bowl. You can't
do your show, but we'll have more people seeing you there.
It's a bigger thing. I'd probably in my head be like, yeah,
I kind of want to do my show, Like.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
I kind of like the and so like the I.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Think there is if you feel like you're great at
something and you feel like you're not able to show
it and it's not because your skills have declined, it
can be frustrating. And so I think this is a simmering,
simmering pot Colin that the old they are very and.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
I give the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
I think it's fair to have them number one hierarchy
because I respect the fact that they win so many
different ways. They blocked the field goal two weeks ago
to win the game, they blocked the punt this week
to set the game up to win. But there have
been I did this this morning. There have been two
one hundred and fifty six halves of football played so
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far this year. The worst and second worst passing performance
by half for the whole league this season was the
first half for Philadelphia two weeks ago and the second
half for Philadelphia this past week. That should never happen
when you have a really good quarterback, a great wide receiver,
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another really good receiver, a good receiving back, and a
good tight end. Something is off right now about their offense,
but they're winning anyway. If they're not going to change that,
then I would not begrudge if AJ Brown were like, Hey,
you know a team that wants to throw the ball
that needs a star receiver that my former head coach
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is the head coach of in New England. Why don't
you see if you can work something out and if
your Philly keep it might be worth more to you
in draft capital as your roster gets more expensive than
he is on the team because they're not effectively using it.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
You and I agree on that, and I think it's
very easy in the media to always say the players
not about winning. It'd be one thing if he didn't
have a ring, but once you get the trophy and
you've got the money, legacy matters it absolutely.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
He's trying to make the Hall of Fame. The guy's
trying to make the Hall of Fame. And he put
and I referenced this last time we talked about this.
I'm just going to reference it again. He told the
world three days after the super Bowl, he put on Instagram,
I wondered how long winning a super Bowl would make
me feel good.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
The answer is about two days.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
And then he said, I play this game to see
the demoralized defensive back who realizes they can't do anything
with me.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
He's been very honest.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
He wants to be a dominant individual player, and he
feels correctly that will help his team. It's not like
that's gonna hurt his team. And if I were him,
I'd be frustrated too.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Good stuff, Nick, Right, Chargers are eleven. It should be
noted the Chiefs were eleven last week.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
I'm oh, yeah, who knows Chargers could do it? Listen,
not everybody, Colin can. Not every AFC West team can
go to the Meadowlands and get a win. Mine can.
I don't know about you guys, but mine can do it.
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Speaker 1 (25:18):
Baseball playoffs, Ryder Cup wasn't great for US. College football
was nuts, Rams Niners. I don't like the two Monday
night football games. I think it's bad quality. I don't
get it. I think anytime you shorten a week for
a team, so now the Dolphins and the Jets and
the Bengals and Denver, Denver's got the coach and the
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quarterback and the depth of roster to handle it. But
then that hurts teams going into next week when they
are one day shy. I mean, like New York's gotta
fly back and Cincinnati's gotta fly back. Is I think
the more times you ask teams to play on different days,
then you get less prepared teams. Also, athletes tend to
get injured, when there's muscle fatigue, asking players to play
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on shorter weeks. Listen, if you want to do all
these international games, I get it. I'm I am not
a fan of I mean nothing against Thursday Night. I've
defended it, but I don't think you get the best football,
and you never get the best football when he got
these multiple Monday night games. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
All right, Colin, some not great news to report on
Tyreek Hill. It's official his season is over. He has
a dislocated knee. Adam Schefter reported that he tore multiple ligaments,
including his ACL Just a gruesome injury, and unfortunately, people
are already saying, like, is this the end for Tyreek Hill?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Like, not just the season, Colin, but career.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
This is a guy who's obviously his entire career predicated
on speed. He's thirty one, turns thirty two in March.
I'm sure I don't know if you know this. Odell
Beckham's not even in the league anymore. Obviously, Tyreek, he
had an exceptional career. I don't know about Hall of Famer,
but he's a first team All Pro five times, which
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which is.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Bolstering his case. He's not a Hall of Famer, but
he's an exceptional athlete. And you know, I mean we
had talked about this. I would have moved him. Last
year he publicly criticized his coach and his quarterback. I
don't think with a weak armed quarterback you can win
in the AFC when you have to go to Baltimore
in Kansas City and Cincinnati and and now New England's
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going to be good again, like all the good teams
in the a f C got got some domes out,
you know. In the NFC, you got Detroit's really good.
There's a dome in la is really good. And you're
playing indoors and a lot of outdoor weather with with
Tua very limiting and he's a deep threat, and those
kind of evaporate in the postseason. So I would have
moved him. But now there's there's no market.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
If you want to zoom out for a moment on
the Dolphins, they seem to be at a breaking point.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
What do they do? I mean, do you ride.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
With Tua like Jalen Wattle now gets elevated. He's not
a one. Jill's a good receiver.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
This is a great quarterback draft class. I would go
and find my next quarterback and I would move to it.
And he absolutely has a market. If you put two
in a dome team or a warm weather team, you
could go. If Carolina is like, yeah, the Bryce Young
thing doesn't work, or I think two has got a market,
I don't think it's a huge market, but he's got something.
But I don't think in the AFC. I mean, look
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your best teams now, so New England's gonna be a
real deal, and Buffalo's real deal in Baltimore, and this
year Pittsburgh could win their division, and Cincinnati when Joe
Burrow gets back, and you start looking around, I mean,
I guess, I guess the Colts and the southern divisions
have warmer weather. But I start looking around, Denver's now good,
Kansas City's good. I just don't think Tua in the
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AFC is the answer.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
In January, He's an interesting discussion because Colin, I'm gonna
just throw one at you randomly. Who do you think
has had a better career, Kyler Marie or Tua Tonguevallo.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, I think Kyler is an elite athlete. I don't
think Too is So Kyler gives me something, a trait
that's lead.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Well, doesn't to us elite trade qualify as like the
Drew Brees quick.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Release stuff, read and react instant first read.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Quickly, Like that's what he was coming out of college.
We've seen it. He he got to the playoffs. He
had them online for the playoffs and got hurt. They
made the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
So like, I would take Kyler over to it. I
think he's a special athlete. I think both are small,
both have been dinged up. But if you're asking me
my choice, I would take Kyler. So you say Too
has a market.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Let's say the Saints end up with like the fourth
pick overall, they're not going to get a quarterback. Do
you say, you know what, Let's go get Tua and
quickly rebuild this thing we got olave.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You know, we we got some pieces.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Maybe in a crack division, we've got a shot.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
To do something.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Two is worth a third and a fifth, not a first.
But with that, with that contract, I mean he got paid. Anna,
am I gotta pay him. I'll give you one good
pick or a couple of average ones. I'll give you
two fours. I got a pay him. So I think
that there's a market, but it's not a great one.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Okay, Tummer about Tyreek Hill. Let's move on to the
Kansas City Chiefs, Colin. They have won back to back games,
I means, so impressive. Beating the GMN with Russell Wilson.
Nick just felt like not mentioning it was Russell Wilson
not Jackson Dart and then.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Beating a beat up Ravens team. Hooray.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
But what's interesting here is Travis Kelcey Colin. Our staff
has dug into this and they are officially load managing
Travis kelce His offensive stat percentage Week one eighty three percent,
Week two, seventy six, then down.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
To seventy three.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Week four against the Ravens now was a blowout sixty
five percent. They should he's doing nothing. His numbers. I mean, like,
I know you play fantasy football heavily. He's like probably
a waiver wire tight end. At this point, I'm not
even getting he's not a top ten tight end in
the league.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
His numbers prove that. Well he's and now he's not
barely playing.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
He's a first ballot Hall of Famer. This is his
last year, and I think Kansas City smartly is saying,
and it's just like in baseball. You know, the Dodgers
had a lot of pitching injuries. You try to save
the guys for October. You try to save them for
a big series, a leverage game in late September. I
think this is exactly what you do. You see this
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in baseball all the time, like we've got an aging star,
we need him for a key playoff start, And I
think that's what you do.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I just want to make sure the audience heard you correctly.
Your pro load management now.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
In the last year of a legendary player who could
make big plays in big games.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yes, okay, so when will you talk to Lebron load
managing with the Lakers? I want this same energy, Yes,
Lebron load manager.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I've said for years said Lebron should be playing sixty
eight games, not eighty two. I've been on that for
a year.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I'm a load management guy now.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
I also believe it for guys who are a little
younger than last year in the league. Like if all
of a sudden you told me Christian McCaffrey was going
to start load managing, I'm pro that. Are you with
a Christian McCaffrey line.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Even I even say that with young centers like chet Holmgren,
I'm like, he should play sixty or fifty five games
for two years. Wemby, Yeah, I'm like, I don't want
him playing that body type. I want fifty three, sixty three,
seventy three and that's all he's ever gonna play.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
So I am not anti load management. Kawhi calls the
organization driving in at four. I'm not gonna make it.
He's never available in my opinion, because I don't like
if Christian McCaffrey, I would, and I'm am a big
believer in this, I would have a fourteen to sixteen
touch limit.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Oh well, then the Niners are. They're losing a lot
of you.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
I think Sequon Barkley coming off last season for four
hundred eighty two touches last season for Barkley, that's insane.
He doesn't have the same juice that he had last year.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
No are you watching?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yes, I got arrest him. Final story con Let's go
to Tampa May.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
They were lucky in late game scenarios to the for
the three and oh start, then it came up short
against the Eagles. Todd Bowles big game this week Bucks
at Seahawks. That's good. Todd Bowles knows his team cannot
continue to play from behind a fight.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
We're gonna have that every week.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
But you can't fight and get behind the eight ball
against good teams and expect to win.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
So we're always gonna have fight, and we just got
to clean up mistakes.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Now it's getting to that point where we got to
cut them down.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yes, I think everybody knows what Tampa is. A good team,
not a great one, and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
They're dangerous in the playoffs once they get everybody back.
Remember no, Mike Evans, right, but this Seattle team, hey,
I gotta give it. I'm loads to give you credit,
right because you know you're calling whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Seattle is younger Seattle's got. When you watch Seattle play young, fast,
mostly inexpensive, like Seattle has been put together very well,
they're really really I mean they're a bungled bumble from
being undefeated, and they remember they went to Pittsburgh and
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hammered a Steeler team that keeps.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Winning games in the second half. But yes, so Seattle Tampa,
I'm seeing three. I don't think that sticks. I think
we're going to see a three and a half. I
am curious if you had a question about this quarterback situation,
Sam Darnold versus Baker Mayfield, who right now is.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
The better quarterback going into this game?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well, they're both. I mean Sam is more athletic, He's
a bigger, stronger athlete, and Baker, I think just from
the pocket when he plants his foot, probably throws a prettier,
quicker release ball. They're both excellent, they're both team friendly deals.
I can like him both. I've always said Sam's bigger.
I think Sam is a better athlete. Sam can be reckless,
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but Baker can be reckless. I want both of them
throwing about twenty eight times a game.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
All right, fine, let me adjust the question. Two minutes left,
ty game, who do you trust more with the ball?
Baker or Darnald? Well, history tells you Baker. But now
here here's my thing. Most games don't come down to that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
If I get a series, a big series in the
third quarter, first quarter, second quarter, and I need playmaking,
which you often do, I would take Sam J.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
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Speaker 4 (35:22):
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Speaker 3 (35:32):
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Speaker 1 (35:38):
It doesn't take a long time for excellence to surface.
So we're a month into the season, it goes seventeen game.
We're not even a quarter of the way into the season.
And right now, if you look at the AFC and
NFC playoff teams today, I think this is mostly what
it's going to look like. In the AFC, you have
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Buffalo Chargers, ind In Pittsburgh and Kansas City. I don't
think Jacksonville and Cincinnati will maintain their playoff spot. I
would pick Denver and New England. So I think I
think five of the seven will remain. I think in
the NFC it goes Philadelphia, Niners, Detroit, Tampa, Seattle, Rams,
Green Bay, Washington. I think if Jaden Daniels gets healthy,
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will make it. I don't buy into San Francisco. I
don't think they have the roster or the quarterback of Seattle.
I don't think they have the roster or the quarterback
of the Rams. I think San Francisco has predicted we'll
finish third. But a lot of this stuff we're a
month in. I mean, Cincinnati obviously is not going to
be a playoff team. They were, you know, but it
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does not take long for you know, it's hard to
pick games when you add lines like I know the
Culture going to beat the Raiders. Are they going to
beat him by six and a half? I think they are.
You add lines, you make picks. I had a winning week,
don't always. That's tough picking. I said this five years ago.
I bang on it every year. The more reliant the
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league is with quarterbacks, the easier it is. It's becoming
the NBA. A month in. You know who can play?
Baltimore Sun reporter Brian Wacker says Lamar Jackson probably misses
Sunday's game with the Texans hamstring injury. All right, here's
the schedule for Week five. I've already got my two
favorite games. I have a game, an upset game to
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keep your eye on. If I could bet the Rams
at home against San Francisco and the Blazing five, I would.
I think La wins. Keep your eye on the Saints
at home in the New York Giants as a possible upset.
My lock is the Rams. I also love the Colts
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at home against the Raiders minus six and a half.
I think the Saints are a very tasty upset potential.
And keep your eyes New England at Buffalo. A lit
up said alert that game will be close. Jmack, what
jumps out? Do you have a lock in and.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Up a lot of stuff? Number One, the Saints are
favored over the job they are. Now that is a shocker.
I always pick them. Now I see minus one.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I'm looking at Monday night, Colin.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
So remember last week at this time, we're like, oh
my gosh, how good are the Chargers. They're loaded. They
go and kind of sort of lay an egg. Okay,
everybody's gassing up the Chiefs. Thank god, Zave, you're worthy back.
This is a new team. They just smash the Ravens.
They're in the hurd hierarchy.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Jags at home Monday night getting a field goal. Can
I interest you in Jacksonville. No, Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I watched Jacksonville against San Francisco. They are so mistake prone,
they're so weird culturally. Is that Kansas City does one
thing well, really well. They don't turn them all over.
If you beat them, you beat them. I do think
it'll be interesting because I think Jacksonville's got real talent ATM.
That running back. I mean, they got playmakers. I mean
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Travis Hunter. You know what's funny about that game. Jacksonville
is not interesting to most people, but Travis Hunter. He's
not dominating as a receiver or a corner. Pick a lane.
We said that before the draft. Pick Alane, what are
you gonna do? He's just an He's just a good athlete.
It's the NFL. Everybody's a good athlete. I mean, the
whole league's played great athletes. I think so.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
My Atlanta Falcons are not on the board. I don't
have to bet them this week, thankfully. Arizona favorbody like eight,
nine ten. It's going up against the Titans. I love them,
I really like them.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Can I can I say this? What happens if Donald
beats Baker?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Hey, I'm just saying for you know, my stance on
this now. I do think Baker's really good. I've always
said I thought Darnold was the more natural talent. What
it fold?
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Yeah, Sammy Darnald, I know you love Sam So Colin.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
The gambling is a great equalizer.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I'm here.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
You can add futures for the win the division.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Okay, NFC West Rams are the favorite, followed by the
forty nine ers. Nope, and the Seahawks are plus three
seventy at. I don't know if I should say it,
but they're plus three seventy to win the division. Are
you you want to put one hundred.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Thousand whatever you want to put Seattle, your guy.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Darwish, Seattle play and watch San Francisco play. What is
the younger, more athletic, more dynamic roster? And I don't
think it's close. It's a marathon, not a sprint though.
Remember no, my Mayhawks are going to be healthy. Younger
guys get healthier, faster, f after injury.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two. It's a Tuesday. We
are live. Baseball playoffs start tonight, Big Big Cubs, San
Diego Padres lead it off this afternoon. That's the big
headline game, and then tonight Dodgers, Reds, Yankees, Red Sox,
Jmack Hurt, Hierarchy. I'm very excited for it. I do
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think it's hard to fool people. There are some exceptions.
Right now Minnesota and the Chargers offensive lines are a mess.
So I think those teams are better than what you
saw this weekend. I think Baltimore, Kansas City's and Lamar's
head but I think the defense is actually better than
what you're seeing. So we have three teams that have
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major injury cluster injury problems Baltimore, Vikings, Chargers, but I
do and they're better than what you've seen in those units.
But I gotta tell you, I kind of feel like
I know what I know and I see what I
see at this point, and there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Truths, Colin.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I just counted during the break there's five teams with
a winning record in the AFC and seven in the NFC,
So essentially there's only twelve really good teams in the league.
This is gonna be easiest heard hierarchy you've ever done.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Right, Well, here we go on a Tuesday. Let's roll it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College Number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
The Colts. I love their offensive line and their skill offensively.
They had the game and lost it against the Rams.
They have the most efficient offense in the league, and
they don't make mistakes. You can't get to Daniel Jones.
Do I think he's great? Nobody's playing like a b
quarterback with you know, decent arm moves. Well again, Jonathan Taylor.
This offensive line, I mean a Denver Broncos pass rush
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struggled to get to Daniel Jones. If you have an
offensive line this good and Jonathan Taylor, you're gonna make
great quarterbacks. Sit and watch for long stretches. I have
the Colts at ten, number nine Denver Sean Payton has
a career five hundred record in September. Even with Drew
Brees and bow Knicks it's ugly early. This roster is
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really good. They're gonna lead the NFL in sacks again.
Two good running backs, excellent O line, hard to get
to bow Knicks, who throws the ball down the field.
They take big swing. They get a lot of guys
who can run in and catch a lot. Dobbins and
Harvey and MIM's and Franklin and Courtland Sutton. This is
a really deep offense, tip team that also leads the
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league in sacks. Denver nine, number eight Detroit takeout Game
one against Green Bay with the new coordinators. Jared Goff's
completing seventy four percent of his throws this year. Road
greaters up front, excellent backfield. I mean Jared Goff hasn't
been sacked in three games, so he may be better
at home. He may need protection to be great. Well,
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he's getting it with a great run game. Defensively, I
don't think they're great, but they get after the quarterback.
Only Denver gets to the quarterback more I have the Lions.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Tod eight, number seven.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's hard to figure out what Tampa is. I mean,
they're three to one, they're in every game, but the
problem is they're in every game late. They don't put
anybody away. And you know Baker can be reckless. He
is very good throwing the ball down the field. In fact,
he leads the NFL right now five tds no interceptions
on throws twenty plus. He's a risk taker, a Mecca
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Bukaz a star. They got a lot of injuries to
deal with, But I just I like their spirit and
I'm gonna put Tampa at number seven, number six. This
was my team that I thought was underrated. I think
they're gonna be a playoff team. Seattle second best point
differential in the league. They're a great road team. They've
won eight straight road games. I think that speaks to
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their character and their talent. Sam Darnold again leads the
NFL in game winning drives and big pass plays over
the last two years and second in wins. Sam's always
been elite in high school at usc At, Minnesota and Seattle.
Who wins with the Jets in Carolina. This team may
be too young to get to a Super Bowl. But
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opposing quarterbacks this year have a seventy six passer rating
against them. They're legit number five youngest team in the league.
Green Bay I like them. They scored on all five
drives in the second half in overtime against the Cowboys.
They're young, unlike Kansas City or Philadelphia. They don't know
yet how to put away inferior teams. But Jordan Love
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this year eight tuddies, one pick and one hundred and
thirteen passer rating. He's fine. They're great on third down.
It's just they're young. Third straight season, youngest roster and
that's the value of the playoffs for the great teams.
They know how to win games. They don't play well.
Green Bay does it yet. Number four Kansas City I
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kept saying all week. Xavier Worthy matters. He not only
stretches the field, he gives them some volumet wide receiver.
Now you're going to have Rashi Rice in three weeks. Worthy,
Juju Smith, Schusterer's a three. Somebody else will be a four.
Travis Kelsey. No, they're not going to be a great
run team unless they make a move with the trade deadline,
and that worries me. But over the last three weeks
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they have the number two scoring defense and they don't
give the ball away. That's why Buffalo is so dangerous,
and Philadelphia can be dangerous, and Kansas City is They
don't give you the ball. So I get a big
time defense, a great coaching quarterback, and they don't give
you a short field. Kansas City four number three. But
I think the Rams, I'm not sure their weakness. Everything's good.
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I mean, their offensive line isn'tdominant, but Matt Stafford highest
creddit passer in the league, Puka Nakua right now, he's
the best wide receiver in the league. I could reading
nine statsy leagues top ten in scoring defense. I mean,
it's what's amazing is how good their defense is. And
they don't pay any of them. They've hit on so
many draft picks. They remind me of Kansas City's defense
two years ago. It was great and they weren't paying anybody.
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But Chris Jones so coach quarterback defense a lot of wisdom.
I have him at three number two Bills. The defense
worries me and could be their shortcoming. But like Kansas City,
they don't give the ball away. James Cook has taken
off the heavy lifting for Josh Allen. There are games
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he doesn't have to carry it. Highest rushing grade in
the league is James Cook one giveaway in nine games
including the playoffs. They actually lead the NFL right now
in rushing, and that's what we said for years. You
can't ask Josh to be Superman every week. He no
longer is Buffalo at two. Number one, listen, I mean
they even do a good job blocking kicks. They're uneven.
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I do think they have too many really bad halfs.
First half against the Rams, second half against the Bucks.
But the roster is stacked, and every time I doubt
Jalen hurts, he turns it on. So I think there's
something about his kind of personality and his toughness and
his resilience. They're the best two yard team in league history.
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They block kicks, it's just not a lot. They're very
good situationally, so for now, best roster that does a
lot of things well. Number one, Yes, Kansas that he
made a big leap, as our next guest will point to,
I'm probably right on that. I regretted doing it. I
wanted to sneak him at seven and eight, but Nick
Wright joins us live, and I want to start with this.
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I generally don't take eleven to four.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Oh sorry, it says nice to see the Chiefs back
on the hard hierarchy. I was celebrating, Sorry, yeah, go ahead,
and you were saying eleven to four.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Don't do it. But the truth is, you've got to
be honest about this. Is they just needed one legitimate,
big time perimeter threat. They did, and suddenly everybody else
looks good in all the underneath. But the bigger story
is that I never buy into this. I've always said this.
You can go into slumps with golf so much downtime
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gets in your head, or baseball sitting around, but in hockey, basketball, football,
you gotta play. You don't have time to get into
a slump. Stuff doesn't get into your head. And then
I watched Lamar against Kansas City, and I am convinced
they are in his head right well, well.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
To a degree, yes, But there's a lot to unback here, Colin,
So let me take some time because you are I
even saw your tweets saying I tried to tell Jay
Mack about when Xavier Worthy came back, and listen, I'm
all for you giving Jamack a hard time for.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
His chief skepticism.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
But I watched the Super Bowl bubble on Friday's episode.
You know who wasn't even in the bubble for the bubble,
The Chiefs, exactly. And you knew Xavier Worthy was coming back.
So you didn't even make it to October before you
had to admit your Chiefs pessimism was unfounded. And by
the way, where is the greatest coach quarterback combo in
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Southern California?
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Is free?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
The Los Angeles Chargers, Oh no, they're dealing with an
injury now. They're all of a sudden not a top
ten team. But to the Ravens, which is I know
where you wanted to Gouys. Need to get that off
my chest. Listen, the Chiefs are in Lamar's head and
he doesn't perform well in big spots. It's just I
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don't need We do this same exact dance we in
the media every year with this player. He is transcendent
through a regular season. People say he's taken his game
to a new level. He wins or comes close to
winning an MVP. He's the highest rated passer ever.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
He's all of this.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Then in a big spot, he plays his worst game
of the year. Everyone for a moment is like, hmm,
kind of reminds me a bit of a guy who
used to play shooting guard in Houston that we all
thought was an all time great but tightened up in
big spots and couldn't get it done, and then we
forget and it goes all over again. In the last
thirty games, Colin Lamar has two I'm sorry, three multi
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turnover games in his last thirty the AFC title game
against the Chiefs, the Divisional round playoff game against Buffalo,
and Sunday against the Chiefs. He is the highest passer
rating in NFL history and the third highest win.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Percentage in an NFL history.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yet, against Patrick he has an eighty passer rating and
is one in six.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
People don't want.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
For some reason, to admit that Lamar is afflicted by
something that has afflicted at great athletes across all of
sports history. He gets a little tight in big spots.
He doesn't play his best in the biggest moments. I
don't we have no problem. The baseball playoffs are about
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to start. Everybody acknowledges Aaron Judge is one of the
greatest players of all time. Yet he comes up up
to this point in his career consistently short in the postseason,
plays his worst ball in the biggest moments, and you
wonder if he'll get over it. We did it with
James Harden. What I don't understand why it is so
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hard for people to acknowledge that is the case with
Lamar And by the way you saw in this game,
he's instantly throwing his helmet, He's instantly on tilt like
it just is what it is. Maybe he'll get over it.
But it's a big sample size at this.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Point, so.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know, it's interesting with Caleb Williams is that one
of the things I've always bragged about Steph Curry and
Patrick Mahomes is their spectacular But they never missed the layups,
the stuff in the flat. I mean, they don't miss
the laps spectatum and a lot of guys. Cam Newton
was spectacular, he missed a lot of layups. His mechanics
were bad. Caleb Williams makes big time throws justin field.
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Is talented, never does thinking done. Caleb makes big throws
down the field and I do honestly believe he's running
less than he could you can tell he's taking to coaching.
But I am worried a little bit that they had
three picks off Gino and needed a block kick. Because
the operations, the layup stuff, Nick, it's hard to watch
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full starts on fourth down, Like, I'm kind of I'm like,
this stuff didn't seem hard for Mahomes or Steph. No,
it's just it's not pretty right.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
No, So that listen, I think that's totally fair where
I would And I don't know if you and I
agree or disagree on this, but if I am trying
to if I am getting a quarterback who could be
my franchise quarterback, and you're like, listen, he's not a
perfect prospect.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Would you rather prospect A or B?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
A guy who you know makes all the layups, has
all the process stuff down, but has a pretty hard
ceiling on what the upside is. Or a guy like
Caleb whose ceiling is he could be MVP of the league,
can make the fantastic, amazing plays, but what's the layups?
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As you put it is a work in progress. I
would go option B because I I feel like that
stuff can get better over time, but I don't think
it's going to be overnight. I do think it's going
to be overtime. I do, and listen, I was wrong
about that obviously. I thought it was gonna be overnight.
I picked him to go to the super Bowl last year.
He is not as far along from his in the fundamentals,
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the building blocks, as I thought he would be. But
I listen, he's a very different player, and I'm not
I'm only comping it in this one way. As far
as being far away on the fundamentals, that's what Josh
Allen was as a young player. Josh had these wow plays,
but couldn't you know, was very inaccurate, couldn't complete his passes,
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and then got better at that stuff. And so I
like betting on the upside. But I agree with you
in this regard. Right now, the Bears are a team
who can look absolutely amazing for a quarter and then
the very next quarter looked like the worst offense in
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the league. And I think that's going to be a
process over the course of the year.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I think the Josh Allen coomp is I mean, it's
very accurate. Like Josh's first year and a half, he
was jumping over linebackers and salmon balls on screen passes. Yes,
so it was it was interesting. You and I have
been very critical of the Cowboys. I think Dax plan
out of his mind and Schottenheimer deserves credit, but I
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thought the overreaction to the Mica trade was over the top.
I think you have to be great at three things
to be a great team. Head coach, quarterback, and left tackle.
The only times Mahomes has ever gotten blown out, it's
a left tackle issue. It's not a defense. He's won
a Super Bowl with a bad defense. He's won a
Super Bowl with no great receivers, bad left tackle, blown
out flies. The Rams worst year is Andrew Whitworth retires.
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They were good when Aaron Donald left. They were good
with Cooper Cup left. They're good when Von Miller left.
Andrew Whitworth retires, they're bad. And I you know, I
I look at Micah and I'm like, the Packers are
going to lead games late with their offense. They need
a closer.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Dallas is fine.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I mean, I look back at it and I'm like,
I think Jerry Jones were so unwilling to give him credit.
I watched that game Sunday. I'm like, I get four
first round picks in Dallas what did Mica do? Where
are you on that deal?
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Okay, Well, first of all, I think you've let Jerry
mine meld you a bit because the four first round
picks they got two they already had two, So like
this is like the two first round picks, and I
think it is. It would be unfair Colin for me
to judge the trade fully from the Dallas end until
we see the picks, right like they traded for Kenny
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Clark and picks that.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
They haven't used yet.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
So obviously, in the short term it's going to look
better for green Bay and then we have to take a.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Long view of it for Dallas.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
But I have actually I watched Dallas play, Colin, and
I think I come to the opposite opinion of you,
because I've been so impressed by Deck because I have
been pleasantly surprised. Shout out to you know, FS one's
Eric Mangini, who really believed in Brian Schottenheimer when I
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don't think anybody really thought that was a great hire.
I think he's done an awesome job early on. But
that has made me like this trade worse, Colin, because
I watched the Cowboys and I'm like, my god, if
they just could be average on defense, they could be
really interesting. They just put forty on Green Bay without
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ceedee lamb. They damn near beat the Packers. You know,
their offense has been so good that I watched the
Cowboys and I'm like, man, you know what, they could
use an elite pass rusher which they used to have.
Like I almost would feel better about this trade for
Dallas if Dak were having a bad year, because to me,
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then it would be like, Okay, they weren't that close.
They weren't going to compete for anything this year, so
let's retool it. But it feels to me like this
team would be three to one had they just kept
Micah and be an actual dangerous team. So that for
me makes it harder to deal with the vyry Cowboys fan.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
So I J. Mack and I had a disagreement on this.
I said, you an accountant, a judge, a novelist, an actor.
In most careers, you got about twenty five years of
prime and you can work to your seventies. You can't
as a pro football player. And so AJ Brown and
I do think winning matters, but he's already got a trophy.
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I do think if you went to Kobe and said, listen,
you get six shots a game. Kobe would have been like,
peace out, I'm going to go somewhere else. AJ Brown
gets fewer yards than the third Buffalo Bills tight end.
He's got money and he's got a trophy. His legacy
is on the line. He's not necessary. They try to
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target him nine targets seven yards most of the time.
He's just not And I think if I was AJ Brown,
this sounds selfish, but I think pro athletes get cornered
into well it's about winning games. Well that's part of it,
and it's transformational money, and there's legacies involved. And my
take is if I was AJ Brown, I'd go to
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Philadelphia and I'd say quietly, I'm not going to screw
the market up. I'm not going to do a mellow
with the Nuggets to the Knicks where I make it
public and the Knicks the Nuggets are tracks. Yeah, I
would go and just say, hey, Luel Sinder to this
a year before he got traded, I don't want to
be here, make a deal. I think AJ Brown has
a right to leave. I am defending him not staying
with a better organization. Am I wrong? No?
Speaker 6 (19:50):
I mean, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I think that it is I it would be hypocritical
for me to be mad at AJ Brown for acting
I'm pretty sure exactly how.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
I would act in his position, Like.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
I'd be like, I'm if I'm AJ.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Brown, I'm like, I'm awesome. I've always been awesome.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I get drafted by a team that has Ryan Tannehill
and Derrick Henry and they they throw to me as
like a last resort. I think it traded to Philadelphia.
Right when I get there, they throw the ball to
me a bunch. I make all these all pros. The
team's really good. And now over the last twenty games,
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our team has become unbeatable and I've become unusable, Like
what the hell.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Has happened here?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
And so this is like I try to give grace
to you know, athletes. If I'm if I can think
of a you know, a comp for me, and what
I would do, Like if somebody, if if Fox came
to me, they're like, hey, Nick, we want you to
do a sixty second essay during the Super Bowl. There's
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going to be one hundred million, one hundred and twenty
million people watching now. In order to do it, the
whole week leading up to the super Bowl. You can't
do your show, but we'll have more people seeing you there.
It's a bigger thing. I'd probably in my head be like, yeah,
I kind of want to do my show, Like.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
I kind of like the and so like the I.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Think there is if you feel like you're great at
something and you feel like you're not able to show
it and it's not because your skills have declined, it
can be frustrating. And so I think this is a simmering,
simmering pot Colin that the old they are very and.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
I give the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
I think it's fair to have them number one hierarchy
because I respect the fact that they win so many
different ways. They blocked the field goal two weeks ago
to win the game, they blocked the punt this week
to set the game up to win. But there have
been I did this this morning. There have been two
one hundred and fifty six halves of football played so
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far this year. The worst and second worst passing performance
by half for the whole league this season was the
first half for Philadelphia two weeks ago and the second
half for Philadelphia this past week. That should never happen
when you have a really good quarterback, a great wide receiver,
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another really good receiver, a good receiving back, and a
good tight end. Something is off right now about their offense,
but they're winning anyway. If they're not going to change that,
then I would not begrudge if AJ Brown were like, Hey,
you know a team that wants to throw the ball
that needs a star receiver that my former head coach
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is the head coach of in New England. Why don't
you see if you can work something out and if
your Philly keep it might be worth more to you
in draft capital as your roster gets more expensive than
he is on the team because they're not effectively using it.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
You and I agree on that, and I think it's
very easy in the media to always say the players
not about winning. It'd be one thing if he didn't
have a ring, but once you get the trophy and
you've got the money, legacy matters it absolutely.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
He's trying to make the Hall of Fame. The guy's
trying to make the Hall of Fame. And he put
and I referenced this last time we talked about this.
I'm just going to reference it again. He told the
world three days after the super Bowl, he put on Instagram,
I wondered how long winning a super Bowl would make
me feel good.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
The answer is about two days.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
And then he said, I play this game to see
the demoralized defensive back who realizes they can't do anything
with me.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
He's been very honest.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
He wants to be a dominant individual player, and he
feels correctly that will help his team. It's not like
that's gonna hurt his team. And if I were him,
I'd be frustrated too.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Good stuff, Nick, Right, Chargers are eleven. It should be
noted the Chiefs were eleven last week.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
I'm oh, yeah, who knows Chargers could do it? Listen,
not everybody, Colin can. Not every AFC West team can
go to the Meadowlands and get a win. Mine can.
I don't know about you guys, but mine can do it.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
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Speaker 1 (25:18):
Baseball playoffs, Ryder Cup wasn't great for US. College football
was nuts, Rams Niners. I don't like the two Monday
night football games. I think it's bad quality. I don't
get it. I think anytime you shorten a week for
a team, so now the Dolphins and the Jets and
the Bengals and Denver, Denver's got the coach and the
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quarterback and the depth of roster to handle it. But
then that hurts teams going into next week when they
are one day shy. I mean, like New York's gotta
fly back and Cincinnati's gotta fly back. Is I think
the more times you ask teams to play on different days,
then you get less prepared teams. Also, athletes tend to
get injured, when there's muscle fatigue, asking players to play
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on shorter weeks. Listen, if you want to do all
these international games, I get it. I'm I am not
a fan of I mean nothing against Thursday Night. I've
defended it, but I don't think you get the best football,
and you never get the best football when he got
these multiple Monday night games. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
All right, Colin, some not great news to report on
Tyreek Hill. It's official his season is over. He has
a dislocated knee. Adam Schefter reported that he tore multiple ligaments,
including his ACL Just a gruesome injury, and unfortunately, people
are already saying, like, is this the end for Tyreek Hill?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Like, not just the season, Colin, but career.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
This is a guy who's obviously his entire career predicated
on speed. He's thirty one, turns thirty two in March.
I'm sure I don't know if you know this. Odell
Beckham's not even in the league anymore. Obviously, Tyreek, he
had an exceptional career. I don't know about Hall of Famer,
but he's a first team All Pro five times, which
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which is.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Bolstering his case. He's not a Hall of Famer, but
he's an exceptional athlete. And you know, I mean we
had talked about this. I would have moved him. Last
year he publicly criticized his coach and his quarterback. I
don't think with a weak armed quarterback you can win
in the AFC when you have to go to Baltimore
in Kansas City and Cincinnati and and now New England's
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going to be good again, like all the good teams
in the a f C got got some domes out,
you know. In the NFC, you got Detroit's really good.
There's a dome in la is really good. And you're
playing indoors and a lot of outdoor weather with with
Tua very limiting and he's a deep threat, and those
kind of evaporate in the postseason. So I would have
moved him. But now there's there's no market.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
If you want to zoom out for a moment on
the Dolphins, they seem to be at a breaking point.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
What do they do? I mean, do you ride.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
With Tua like Jalen Wattle now gets elevated. He's not
a one. Jill's a good receiver.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
This is a great quarterback draft class. I would go
and find my next quarterback and I would move to it.
And he absolutely has a market. If you put two
in a dome team or a warm weather team, you
could go. If Carolina is like, yeah, the Bryce Young
thing doesn't work, or I think two has got a market,
I don't think it's a huge market, but he's got something.
But I don't think in the AFC. I mean, look
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your best teams now, so New England's gonna be a
real deal, and Buffalo's real deal in Baltimore, and this
year Pittsburgh could win their division, and Cincinnati when Joe
Burrow gets back, and you start looking around, I mean,
I guess, I guess the Colts and the southern divisions
have warmer weather. But I start looking around, Denver's now good,
Kansas City's good. I just don't think Tua in the
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AFC is the answer.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
In January, He's an interesting discussion because Colin, I'm gonna
just throw one at you randomly. Who do you think
has had a better career, Kyler Marie or Tua Tonguevallo.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, I think Kyler is an elite athlete. I don't
think Too is So Kyler gives me something, a trait
that's lead.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Well, doesn't to us elite trade qualify as like the
Drew Brees quick.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Release stuff, read and react instant first read.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Quickly, Like that's what he was coming out of college.
We've seen it. He he got to the playoffs. He
had them online for the playoffs and got hurt. They
made the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
So like, I would take Kyler over to it. I
think he's a special athlete. I think both are small,
both have been dinged up. But if you're asking me
my choice, I would take Kyler. So you say Too
has a market.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Let's say the Saints end up with like the fourth
pick overall, they're not going to get a quarterback. Do
you say, you know what, Let's go get Tua and
quickly rebuild this thing we got olave.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You know, we we got some pieces.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Maybe in a crack division, we've got a shot.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
To do something.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Two is worth a third and a fifth, not a first.
But with that, with that contract, I mean he got paid. Anna,
am I gotta pay him. I'll give you one good
pick or a couple of average ones. I'll give you
two fours. I got a pay him. So I think
that there's a market, but it's not a great one.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Okay, Tummer about Tyreek Hill. Let's move on to the
Kansas City Chiefs, Colin. They have won back to back games,
I means, so impressive. Beating the GMN with Russell Wilson.
Nick just felt like not mentioning it was Russell Wilson
not Jackson Dart and then.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Beating a beat up Ravens team. Hooray.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
But what's interesting here is Travis Kelcey Colin. Our staff
has dug into this and they are officially load managing
Travis kelce His offensive stat percentage Week one eighty three percent,
Week two, seventy six, then down.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
To seventy three.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Week four against the Ravens now was a blowout sixty
five percent. They should he's doing nothing. His numbers. I mean, like,
I know you play fantasy football heavily. He's like probably
a waiver wire tight end. At this point, I'm not
even getting he's not a top ten tight end in
the league.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
His numbers prove that. Well he's and now he's not
barely playing.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
He's a first ballot Hall of Famer. This is his
last year, and I think Kansas City smartly is saying,
and it's just like in baseball. You know, the Dodgers
had a lot of pitching injuries. You try to save
the guys for October. You try to save them for
a big series, a leverage game in late September. I
think this is exactly what you do. You see this
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in baseball all the time, like we've got an aging star,
we need him for a key playoff start, And I
think that's what you do.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I just want to make sure the audience heard you correctly.
Your pro load management now.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
In the last year of a legendary player who could
make big plays in big games.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yes, okay, so when will you talk to Lebron load
managing with the Lakers? I want this same energy, Yes,
Lebron load manager.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I've said for years said Lebron should be playing sixty
eight games, not eighty two. I've been on that for
a year.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I'm a load management guy now.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
I also believe it for guys who are a little
younger than last year in the league. Like if all
of a sudden you told me Christian McCaffrey was going
to start load managing, I'm pro that. Are you with
a Christian McCaffrey line.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Even I even say that with young centers like chet Holmgren,
I'm like, he should play sixty or fifty five games
for two years. Wemby, Yeah, I'm like, I don't want
him playing that body type. I want fifty three, sixty three,
seventy three and that's all he's ever gonna play.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
So I am not anti load management. Kawhi calls the
organization driving in at four. I'm not gonna make it.
He's never available in my opinion, because I don't like
if Christian McCaffrey, I would, and I'm am a big
believer in this, I would have a fourteen to sixteen
touch limit.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Oh well, then the Niners are. They're losing a lot
of you.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
I think Sequon Barkley coming off last season for four
hundred eighty two touches last season for Barkley, that's insane.
He doesn't have the same juice that he had last year.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
No are you watching?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yes, I got arrest him. Final story con Let's go
to Tampa May.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
They were lucky in late game scenarios to the for
the three and oh start, then it came up short
against the Eagles. Todd Bowles big game this week Bucks
at Seahawks. That's good. Todd Bowles knows his team cannot
continue to play from behind a fight.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
We're gonna have that every week.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
But you can't fight and get behind the eight ball
against good teams and expect to win.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
So we're always gonna have fight, and we just got
to clean up mistakes.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Now it's getting to that point where we got to
cut them down.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yes, I think everybody knows what Tampa is. A good team,
not a great one, and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
They're dangerous in the playoffs once they get everybody back.
Remember no, Mike Evans, right, but this Seattle team, hey,
I gotta give it. I'm loads to give you credit,
right because you know you're calling whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Seattle is younger Seattle's got. When you watch Seattle play young, fast,
mostly inexpensive, like Seattle has been put together very well,
they're really really I mean they're a bungled bumble from
being undefeated, and they remember they went to Pittsburgh and
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hammered a Steeler team that keeps.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Winning games in the second half. But yes, so Seattle Tampa,
I'm seeing three. I don't think that sticks. I think
we're going to see a three and a half. I
am curious if you had a question about this quarterback situation,
Sam Darnold versus Baker Mayfield, who right now is.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
The better quarterback going into this game?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well, they're both. I mean Sam is more athletic, He's
a bigger, stronger athlete, and Baker, I think just from
the pocket when he plants his foot, probably throws a prettier,
quicker release ball. They're both excellent, they're both team friendly deals.
I can like him both. I've always said Sam's bigger.
I think Sam is a better athlete. Sam can be reckless,
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but Baker can be reckless. I want both of them
throwing about twenty eight times a game.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
All right, fine, let me adjust the question. Two minutes left,
ty game, who do you trust more with the ball?
Baker or Darnald? Well, history tells you Baker. But now
here here's my thing. Most games don't come down to that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
If I get a series, a big series in the
third quarter, first quarter, second quarter, and I need playmaking,
which you often do, I would take Sam J.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
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Speaker 4 (35:22):
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Speaker 1 (35:38):
It doesn't take a long time for excellence to surface.
So we're a month into the season, it goes seventeen game.
We're not even a quarter of the way into the season.
And right now, if you look at the AFC and
NFC playoff teams today, I think this is mostly what
it's going to look like. In the AFC, you have
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Buffalo Chargers, ind In Pittsburgh and Kansas City. I don't
think Jacksonville and Cincinnati will maintain their playoff spot. I
would pick Denver and New England. So I think I
think five of the seven will remain. I think in
the NFC it goes Philadelphia, Niners, Detroit, Tampa, Seattle, Rams,
Green Bay, Washington. I think if Jaden Daniels gets healthy,
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will make it. I don't buy into San Francisco. I
don't think they have the roster or the quarterback of Seattle.
I don't think they have the roster or the quarterback
of the Rams. I think San Francisco has predicted we'll
finish third. But a lot of this stuff we're a
month in. I mean, Cincinnati obviously is not going to
be a playoff team. They were, you know, but it
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does not take long for you know, it's hard to
pick games when you add lines like I know the
Culture going to beat the Raiders. Are they going to
beat him by six and a half? I think they are.
You add lines, you make picks. I had a winning week,
don't always. That's tough picking. I said this five years ago.
I bang on it every year. The more reliant the
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league is with quarterbacks, the easier it is. It's becoming
the NBA. A month in. You know who can play?
Baltimore Sun reporter Brian Wacker says Lamar Jackson probably misses
Sunday's game with the Texans hamstring injury. All right, here's
the schedule for Week five. I've already got my two
favorite games. I have a game, an upset game to
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keep your eye on. If I could bet the Rams
at home against San Francisco and the Blazing five, I would.
I think La wins. Keep your eye on the Saints
at home in the New York Giants as a possible upset.
My lock is the Rams. I also love the Colts
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at home against the Raiders minus six and a half.
I think the Saints are a very tasty upset potential.
And keep your eyes New England at Buffalo. A lit
up said alert that game will be close. Jmack, what
jumps out? Do you have a lock in and.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Up a lot of stuff? Number One, the Saints are
favored over the job they are. Now that is a shocker.
I always pick them. Now I see minus one.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I'm looking at Monday night, Colin.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
So remember last week at this time, we're like, oh
my gosh, how good are the Chargers. They're loaded. They
go and kind of sort of lay an egg. Okay,
everybody's gassing up the Chiefs. Thank god, Zave, you're worthy back.
This is a new team. They just smash the Ravens.
They're in the hurd hierarchy.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Jags at home Monday night getting a field goal. Can
I interest you in Jacksonville. No, Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I watched Jacksonville against San Francisco. They are so mistake prone,
they're so weird culturally. Is that Kansas City does one
thing well, really well. They don't turn them all over.
If you beat them, you beat them. I do think
it'll be interesting because I think Jacksonville's got real talent ATM.
That running back. I mean, they got playmakers. I mean
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Travis Hunter. You know what's funny about that game. Jacksonville
is not interesting to most people, but Travis Hunter. He's
not dominating as a receiver or a corner. Pick a lane.
We said that before the draft. Pick Alane, what are
you gonna do? He's just an He's just a good athlete.
It's the NFL. Everybody's a good athlete. I mean, the
whole league's played great athletes. I think so.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
My Atlanta Falcons are not on the board. I don't
have to bet them this week, thankfully. Arizona favorbody like eight,
nine ten. It's going up against the Titans. I love them,
I really like them.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Can I can I say this? What happens if Donald
beats Baker?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Hey, I'm just saying for you know, my stance on
this now. I do think Baker's really good. I've always
said I thought Darnold was the more natural talent. What
it fold?
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Yeah, Sammy Darnald, I know you love Sam So Colin.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
The gambling is a great equalizer.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I'm here.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
You can add futures for the win the division.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Okay, NFC West Rams are the favorite, followed by the
forty nine ers. Nope, and the Seahawks are plus three
seventy at. I don't know if I should say it,
but they're plus three seventy to win the division. Are
you you want to put one hundred.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Thousand whatever you want to put Seattle, your guy.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Darwish, Seattle play and watch San Francisco play. What is
the younger, more athletic, more dynamic roster? And I don't
think it's close. It's a marathon, not a sprint though.
Remember no, my Mayhawks are going to be healthy. Younger
guys get healthier, faster, f after injury.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah,
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