Former NFL quarterback and FOX Sports analyst Mark Sanchez joins the show to talk all things NFL, including:
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, he played ten years in the NFL. He's got
a new digital and YouTube show called a Rearview. Mark
Sanchez is joining us live. Your guest was Josh Allen,
who is I think, honestly is the most talented quarterback
just physical trace I've ever seen in my life. He's
a small town kid. Tell the audience the story about
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he and his dad and their new business venture.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Well, they actually have this partnership with wonderful pistachios. And
Josh Allen is from Fireball, which is outside of Fresno,
Central California, known for produce and farming and agriculture. So
he's a small town farm kid and him and his
dad had their first yield of crops pistachios, and it
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takes five years. The last time I talked to him
about it was exactly five years ago. So he's fired
up about this partnership and we got to break that
down a little bit and his agricultural skills, and also
talked a little bit about this occupation he.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Has playing quarterback in the NFL. So it was fun.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, it is remarkable how many of these great quarterbacks
grew up as small town kids. It is unbelievable, the
numbers if you go back. So you know, I was
saying this about Brock Purdy when Brock Purty was FBS
the four years he started at Iowa State. The reason
he dropped in the draft is he led college football
and interceptions. He was a little small and he threw
a lot of picks. So he goes to Kyle Shanahan's
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system and you don't see a lot of picks. He
cleaned it up, but now he's playing hurt and that
people fans don't un you're forcing things, you're playing hurt,
maybe you don't have quite the velocity, and now he's
making more and more mistakes. My take is some of
this is just the injuries. Because I thought from college
to pro Mark, I thought he had kind of cleaned
it up. I thought his judgment was very good. Where
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do you think the interceptions come from he's obviously not
totally healthy.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Is that part of it, Oh.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
That's a huge part of it. And I think he
went from.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
A steady distributor type point guard to a guy who's
got a score a lot more and they're leaning on
him a lot more to make plays with a different
type of roster than he came into the league with.
Remember he had guys like Brandon Ayuk, George Kittle, Deebo
Samuel and then halfway through the first year he started
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to get Christian McCaffrey. So three of those guys are
All pros or Pro Bowlers, perennial All Pros and Pro Bowlers,
and they all knew the system. They've been in the
system for years. So he just has to look at
a risk band, spit out a call, and go do
his job. Now he's working with different players, younger players,
first year, second year players that he doesn't have a
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ton of rapport with, and it puts you in a
position where sometimes you get a little riskier with the football.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And sometimes you just kind of press a little bit.
And I feel like that's kind of where he's at.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
He's trying to overcompensate for injuries and lack of personnel
around him. I do think if you get into the
argument of him versus Mac Jones starting, I still think
even with the toe injury, he gives you a little
more mobility. But yes, there's some of those riskier decisions,
you know, that kind of echo from his college days
that seem to be cleaned up. Also, I would argue
that the pocket is, you know, not as clean as
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he's normally used to, so he's having to move around
quite a bit. They're showing a little age on the
offensive line, and then they're starting some young guys. Connor Colby,
the left guard is starting in place of Banks and
Burford and all the guards that they've gone through. So
there's a bottom line is I don't care if you're
Steve Young, Joe Montana.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
You need guys around you.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And even if those guys came back into play right now,
the best ability would be Steve Young's legs, because you know,
it's tough finding completions right now for San Francisco, and
there's still three and one. Don't forget all this being said,
they're three and one, so they're still in prime position.
They got a big one tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So one of the things, you know, I've said this
about presidents before a long time ago, is they never
get credit for the mistakes they avoid, Like, like you know,
there's decisions that could be made we don't know behind
the scenes. A president goes, We're not.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Going to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You don't get credit for stuff you don't do. But
this happens in life. Sometimes you could be a husband,
you could.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Be a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I think Aaron Rodgers is the lowest rated PFF quarterback
and I said time out. I said time out. I've
watched a lot of quarterback play this year. I think
Aaron has figured out on the fly, and I thought
he did it in Dublin multiple O line injuries with
Minnesota Vikings right out of the gate, got a great
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pass rush, and Aaron said, I'm not throwing the ball
into trouble. I'm throwing this ball underneath. I'm getting completions.
I'm gonna let our defense win. And I'm just I'm
saying that's what I saw. But he's got He's low
graded by PFF and their takeaway is he doesn't throw
the ball down the field.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
And I'm like, I.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Watched the Minnesota's old line can't protect Carson.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
He shouldn't throw the ball down the field. And you're
laughing at this, Why well, I just.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Okay, eleven twenty one Pacific time, Colin Coward is defending
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I know if I've heard that, give me twenty second.
This could be a full Colin. What's going on? I
flipped the script here. Listen. I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I think you know he's the veteran conductor of the orchestra.
It's not flashy, but he's gonna get the whole group
in sync and hit every note. Reminder, this division is
theirs for the take with Joe Burrow down with Lamar
Jackson down for who knows how long with the hamstring.
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I mean they're playing Dylan Gabriel and Jake Browning next
are their two starting quarterbacks that they're going against. So
they finally figured out how to use DK Metcalf.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
And that took some time. You know, they don't have
a ton of time on task.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Aaron and DK and then Arthur Smith getting him involved
in understanding that's exactly what he does best what we're
watching on this highlight.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
He's a catch and run guy. He's a big.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Body contested ball defender catcher like that. That's exactly the
way you want to utilize him. And when it's available,
you take it. When it's not, you're going to have
to go dink and dunk and do some other stuff
to get the ball down the field get the run
game going. But he's got plenty of gas left in
the tank, and he's got plenty for deep balls and
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all those splash plays. But they're going to have to
generate some of those splash plays on screens, wide receiver screens, halfback.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Screens, tight end screens.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
That's where they're going to get some of their stuff
because they're not just to launch it down the field
the old type of team. But this post bye week
for them, they're on bye week right now. I mean,
it's set up pretty nice for them to potentially run
the table in the AFC North.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
So you have the Raiders at the Colts this weekend.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And I'm watching the Rams Colts game and I'm texting
a friend and I think J Mack may have been
one of the people. I'm like, first of all, in
these old line in these team's good. They got dudes
in these good team. And I said, second Okay, it's
not Stafford, but Daniel Jones is making big boy throws.
Daniel Jones is playing with a ton of confidence. His
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second interception, it's late. You don't have much time. I
don't even I don't care. I'll say it. I never
gave up on Sam Darnold. I gave up on Daniel Jones.
I don't even know what I'm watching. I mean, seriously, Mark,
I'm watching him. I'm like, oh, that's the starting quarterback
in the NFL. Big moves, big arm. Are you surprised
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a little?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, just adam to the list of former new players
that leave and go have success. I don't care whether
you're Giants or Jets. I mean, it's incredible to see
Xavier McKinney, Saquon Barkley, Leo Williams, Daniel Jones just out
into the list. So what Shane Steichen has done as
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assembled a roster, a strong offensive unit, a strong offensive
line that can keep the pocket clean.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
They got a great run game.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I love their running back and they have everything that
Daniel Jones had in the year he went to the
playoffs and won a game on the road in Minnesota
with the New York Giants.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean it looks very similar. Remember they had.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Saquon Barkley that year, and you know now they're working
with Jonathan Taylor. It's like a very similar setup. The
guy is surgical, he's an intelligent player. He's more athletic
than people give him credit for. You see some of
his scrambles. I mean, this guy can pick up fifteen
to twenty five yards like that. And then you know
they got this rookie tight end as ty Warren, Tyler Warren.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Out of Penn State.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean he's a big body, all of six to six,
big catch radius and he's still a rookie. He's still
trying to figure it out, and he's making this kind
of contribution early.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I mean, this is scary. They have plenty of talent
in that division.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I think it's kind of them in Jacksonville right now,
at least out of the gates this first month of
the season, that can really make a run in that division,
and that thing's wide open for those two teams.
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Speaker 1 (10:08):
By the way, Ashton genty breakout game, that's not a
great old line. You're looking at film, he kind of
you know. I mean it's Boise State. It's a big
jump up. It's not a great old line. What did
you make of his performance?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, I thought they had an excellent performance last week.
I think Austin powers Jackson does a good job for
them up front. He's their right guard, has played center
as well. Now they're going with Meredith at center. But
they also just lost Colton Miller, their left tackle that
they really loved at EUCLA.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
So that's going to be huge. Who's going to step in?
But I loved his ascension.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And remember this division, the AFC West, it's a street
fight every week. All those teams want to run the ball,
whether you're Sean Payton and the Broncos, you know Pete
Carroll and the Raiders, Chip Kelly, they want to run
the football.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Jim Harbaugh, they want to run the football.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
With the guys they have, they want to control the clock,
own time of possession, and just wear you down and
then knock you out at the end of games.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So this this division is right where they want it.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's just do we have enough playmakers in the past
game for when people packed the box, because that's what
teams are going to do, especially after this breakout game.
They're going to just load up the box and force
Gino Smith to beat everybody with you know, Trey Tucker,
Jacobe Myers, and you know Brock Bauers was wearing that
knee brace because he got nicked up a little bit
early in this season. So that's going to be where
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they have to take their next step. And they played
poorly this past week and they still had a chance
to win it with a field goal. The Bears blocked
the field goal and that ended the game. But even
with all those mistakes and guys that aren't quite household
names on their roster. They found a way to play
some inspired football and coach Carroll has this unit playing
really well. So they just dropped one, you know, kind
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of a tough loss at home, especially now they go
on the road to Indy have that game this week.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So I've two questions. One of them would be tape.
But here's my last question before tape. So I watched
the Packers and I said, they're the youngest team in
the league, and there is something Remember when Seattle lost
to San Francisco Week one and I thought they outplayed him.
There is something about young teams, Seattle's young, Green Baysia.
There is sometimes with young teams they don't quite know
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how to seal games when they're the better team.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
And it's a thing. It's a skill.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
There's a reason Kansas City wins all these close games
in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
It's a skill.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And I think and I watched Green Bay in Dallas
and I'm like, they just thought the clock. They're just
quite not there. That was my interpretation. Jordan loves great
he's playing great football. You got a terrific coach. They're
gonna be fine. But it's the process of winning games
against inferior opposition, and I think it's harder than fans
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and media think that it's a skill or am I
just fishing here and you don't buy it.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
No, that's one hundred percent true.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
These are learned traits and then soon it becomes part
of who you are and how you The coaches teach it,
but until the players, you know, handle it and experience it,
then they go back to the well for more, saying, Okay,
that worked, I trust you.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Let's keep this going.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
But the analogy for them really is like that little
league team that's like the ten year olds, and they
kind of stay together because they've been the youngest team
in the league for like three years, so they kind
of stay together at ten years old, but they're playing
up a division against the twelve and thirteen year olds.
So by the time they get there and they're twelve
and thirteen, it's like, hey, we've.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Done this for a while. Now we just got to
go prove it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
We didn't win all the tournaments before, but now we
got a shot in the finals every time. Now it's
just doing it a couple times, and then it turns
into riding a bike. Like teams you're talking about, like
the Chiefs. They just know how to win at the end,
and the first way to finish games is to stop
beating yourselves turnovers and penalties. As soon as they eliminate
those or even cut them in half, it's a no brainer,
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and they might start lapping teams. They might start winning
by fourteen points if they get their stuff together. So
I think most NFL games are truly are lost and
you don't have to go steal them at the end.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
One team will just end up giving the game away.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And so they're a young, deep, resilient group that can
survive this war of attrition that is injuries. You know,
it seems like they've been pretty healthy. So they have
a chance to run the table in their division. And
I like where they're headed, but you're right, it's all
about finishing.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Finally, I watch the Niners and the Jags. First of all,
the Niner special teams have been lacking to be diplomatic
for about three or four years, and that was a
part of the game. You know, Trevor Lawrence, I loved
them in college, and there have been moments in the NFL.
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You got to play you on a show. Where are
you with Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, it's interesting because that was a huge part of
our broadcast last week. And you know, I don't want
to be a quarterback apologist. You know that the numbers
are the numbers. He's got over seventy turnovers in his
career and at this point in your career going into
year five, that's not okay. But you look at the surrounding,
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the supporting cast, and the environment. He's been in four
different head coaches, four or five different coordinators. Finally he's
as a coordinator that comes from that Shanahan McVeigh kind
of tree that gives him options at the line of scrimmage.
This is one of the first times he's really had
to go through an entire You hear these quarterbacks say
can can can, Well, they're going up to the line
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of scrimmage with multiple plays and when they say can
they throw a play in the trash can and get
to a new play or completely audible, which he did
and won a game against Houston after playing poorly against
an all out cover zero blitz. So he's doing a
lot of this stuff and going through this can cryta
for each single run, going run to run, run to pass,
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run to run to pass, pass, to pass. I mean,
he hasn't had to do as much of that, and
that hasn't been on his plate. His plate is completely full.
He's got a center, thank god, who's been in the
system before. I felt that with Mangold when I got
to New York as a rookie. There's a lot to
handle in the run game. And so I think he's
finally getting a chance to get these guys in the
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right play, give them an advantageous shot at each down.
And you know, he took care of the football last week,
looked really good. And part of it is this scheme.
So we're gonna go to the tape and I'll show
you exactly what they're doing on.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
The goal line.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
They're using their big personnel, using the best five or
six skill guys they can get on the field, and
they're putting defenders in a bind. You see a ton
of teams do this. You see McVeigh do this with Stafford.
You see all the pre snap motion and movement different personnels.
So you're gonna see the motion.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
It's going to look like run.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
This has to look feel and smell like run because
everybody's playing Manda man across the board and if you
can get these guys to bite and get to these
specific spots with the right distribution. After you show the
presence of run and the threat of run, it makes
these guys hesitate on defense for just half a second,
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and that's all you need to buy. On a quick
play fake downhill, you see Hunter Long hit the end,
mikel Williams, the rookie trying to make up for Nick
Bosa and his big injury on the defensive line for
San Francisco. And there goes Siegal, the rookie having to
play again number thirty six. He's playing Manda Man against
the tight end and also has to go fit up
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that run. If he gets the ball the halfback, he's
got to go hit that guy. And so Trevor places
this ball beautifully upstairs for his big target to go
grab it. Plenty of route distribution and it looks a
lot different for him. But the real magic I see
is you know, him being able to get these reps
under his belt. He's drinking through a fire hose. Don't
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get it twisted. He is learning a lot on the
fly and doing things he's never done before. Footwork under center,
making checks at the line. But the real secret sauce
is this Anthony Campinelli defense. Look at this turnover reel.
This is just from one game. I mean, teams would
love to have this highlight reel of all these punch outs,
these tipball interceptions. Brock Perties trying to run like a
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little trick shot kind of play. Throw it back to
the half bag. Boom, titball, Devin Lloyd right in your grill.
Titball Devin Lloyd, same story. And then look at this punch.
Dennis Gardek, a cast away from Arizona and the Cardinals,
finds a home in Jacksonville. And then your former forty
nine er Eric Armstead, who is a pillar on that
d line for years, punches the ball out and here
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comes Foyer Lucan, you know, encroaching on a thousand tackles
in his career already. I mean, they got guys that
are completely sold out and bought in to taking the
football away. They're not happy would make the offense punt.
They want the ball back, and that's it. There's no
bones about it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Mark Sanchez as oh Is Money and Josh Allen on
rear View with Mark watched it.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
These are great episodes.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
If it was a I would buy that new show
if it was available at your Fox property.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
And I can't.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
All right, good seeing you. Yeah, good stuff. We'll do
Herdline after the break. And you know these uh, these
baseball series, I'm gonna I'm gonna go. I'm gonna throw
it out there. Podres even it up today, podreis even
it up. Dodgers went again, Yankees even it up?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
All right?
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Speaker 1 (19:56):
Good stuff Today, Mark Sanchez, Joel Klatt, lot of baseball
fun day yesterday.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Will be as well today. Jmak with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
No, no, no, the news. This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Let's talk about Drake May and the New England Patriots.
Colin May had a good, good performance against the hapless Panthers.
Easy dub for me on that one. Three total touchdowns
for May. How about this, He's leading the league. It's
seventy four percent completions. I mean May is really cooking
right now. In a recent radio appearance, Pat's former quarterback
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Ty Law believes New England has found their guy.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
He is the guy. He's he's proven himself. Uh, this
is the second year when people you know when when
quarterbacks tend to either they make progress or they redress
in the second year. For Drake may to make a
step forward, which we've seen some quarterbacks in the past
they took a step back in their second year. I
think this is a good sign for New England. Now
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you got to some pieces around him so he can
continued as success. But I think now we finally have
our successor to Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
No, I think it's absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
He's big.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
His thing was he had the justin Herbert komp The
difference is he wasn't polished.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
But look at what they have.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The five things that are very important in the NFL.
Good owner, good head coach, excellent offensive coordinator, left tackle, quarterback,
and they have one elite corner. Like this league Indianapolis
for years, I've been arguing had a good roster, but
before Daniel ands Shane Steikin hooke up, they couldn't get
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the quarterback right.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
It's not about being a perfect roster.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Do you get the owner, the coach, the offensive coordinator,
the quarterback, left tackle, one elite weapon and somebody on
the defensive front. Now, they don't have an elite weapon.
I think their running backs are both BB plus running backs.
But I mean, I do think your AJ Brown's discussion
is smart. The thing they lack to be a team
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that can win playoff games is a weapon, I meaning else.
Now they're young, Drake's young, Will Campbell's young, Henderson's young.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
It's a new staff.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
They're not a multiple playoff win team, but they could
win a playoff game if you gave them an AJ
Brown to me one playoff game.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Okay, so I largely agree with you, but you know
I'm not here to ball wash you. We disagree, and
I think we make the audience smarter. Colin, I'm gonna
tell you the four opponents that Drake's May has faced
this year. Okay, the Vegas Raiders that's a bottom five
defense in the league, The Miami Dolphins bottom five defense
in the league. Pittsburgh Steelers this season so far bottom five,
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and then Carolina, which is just awful. So I like May.
Remember I was higher on him than than Jayden Daniels.
I took a lot of flaks to that. I believe
in Nate. I just need to see a little more now.
I don't know if we'll see that against Buffalo this
week because Spencer Rattler moved the football over down the
field against Buffalo and then May faces the Saints. So
I don't really know what to I don't want to
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go full all in on Nay. Are you ready to
do that? You're saying he's the guy. No.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I said in that draft, I liked every quarterback in
his class. JJ McCarthy ad reservations. I still believe in
all of them. I think Penis is inconsistent, so is Caleb,
but I'm I think they're I think they're once you
get the quarterback and the head coach right, as a fan,
just renew your season tickets, get a better bargain, buy
him for the next three years. Because they're going nower.
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Miami is circling the drain. The Jets are perpetually circling
the drain. Josh is going to mostly win the division,
but this is going to be a playoff team going forward. Okay, Kella,
They've got to upgrade somewhere. On the sideline.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Scenario, Broncos stunned the Eagles. AJ Brown has three catches
for forty yards and he's pissed again. Do the Patriots
pick off the phone and say, listen, we're close. Well,
let's go get aj Brown. Yeah, let's put uh, let's
put a second and a fourth on the table and
see if they do yes.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Because they're very, very first of all, they they don't
have a ton of absolute urgent needs. I think their
O line needs to just keep getting better, and I
think they need a weapon offensively. But the truth is,
you're never gonna once you pay May in a couple
of years. You've got now because of Drake May's contract,
you got two years maybe three yet to go big
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game fishing. So Drake May's a guy I would pay early.
Why you know he got Jayden Daniels pay him early.
Phone Nicks, those kind of guys. I'd pay a year
early to get a better deal on the contract. If
you're gonna have to pay them, I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You know it away.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
It works with quarterbacks. The longer you wait, the uglier
it gets with the team. But I think you have
two full years with Drake May. If you're gonna go
big game hunting, you have a major need on the
and you have not as an organization drafted that position,
well at all.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
All right, let's go to my Jets. Listen, we're not
gonna be talking about them a lot this season because
they stink. They are zero to four Titans or winless.
Saints are winless, Jets are winless. New York has been
the fourth most penalty yards this season.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
Not good.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
And my guy, Saws Gardner, I know Jets fans are
upset with me for talking about trading him. Well, listen
to this nonsense. He's upset with officials, But listen to
the logic.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Colin.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
I think I get called for more stuff just based
off of us just not winning. Just how us these
winning programs and give me some egregious things and it
don't get called like you know, Landon players play like
I got called him something today where it's like I
know the row and everything and I'm just supposed to
let him just push all the type of rude I'm
seeing kind of steps all that, like he's.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Not going to catch the ball regardless.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
I just feel like in general, even the Mike Emans ones,
I just feel like us not winning.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
It's just it's just what goes on.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I can I throw this at you? Rams No, Well,
I think it's interesting. I will say this is that
there's a reason Mike Krzyzewski was hard on reps because
it probably got him a couple calls.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
And there.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I do believe that Belichick for years was so respected.
His corners were so handsy and so physical, and Bill
was so respected, and they were so physical that some
stuff you just let go. Jerry Sloan, the late great
coach of Utah, they were so physical and so chippy,
you couldn't call everything. And I do think when you're
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a bad team, you know, and the game is let's
say out of hand, you don't get that call, they're
just gonna arrest, gonna say I'm just gonna call it.
And when the game is tight and it's closed and
it's a winning team with a legendary coach, I don't
think it's rigged. I think it's the advantage of being
successful in life. It's like the advantage of being tall
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or good looking. People just assume you know what you're
talking about. I think being on a successful team in
close games late a lot of times officials almost subliminally
swallow a whistle and let them play, and you don't
dot and blowouts and you don't do it on bad teams.
You just sort of it's almost innate. You're like, well,
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they're sloppy, they're not well coached, and you're more willing
to call something. If Sauce Gardner was on the Rams
and Sean mcvay's on that sideline and they're in close games,
do you get a little extra sometimes?
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I think you do. I really do.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
I know Jets fans aren't happy. I want what's best
for the team. I like Sauce Gardner, Colin, how about
from our crack investigative staff here, Sauce is the highest
paid cornerback or defensive back in the NFL. He has
one interception in the last forty three games. I know
it's not all about picks, but one games. Don't tell
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me they're not throwing at them.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Come on, no, let me ask you this. When you
lead the Jets in the fourth quarter, why throw?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I mean, seriously, if you go look at the interception
leaders in the NFL right now, I bet you some
of them are on teams that lead games in the
fourth court. Are forcing teams to throw even if they
have a second tier quarterback and a patchwork offensive line.
The Jets trail late. Why would I have to throw
dangerously towards soft gardener.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
That you see on the screen. There. Jets, Cowboys Fox games,
so we will talk about it. Cowboys favor by two
and a half. Why are they not three? Colin? I
have not bet the Jets since the opener up when
they covered thank You Alert, Thank you Jets are winning
out right.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Final story. I like the Jets there.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Jadeen Daniels has missed two weeks due to knee injury. However,
Dan Quinn says Daniels has been medically cleared and he
is practicing in full today. Marcus Mariota started the last
two games. They beat the Raiders and then look kind
of hapless against the I forget.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Oh the Falcons.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
So Daniels against the Commander's big one. I think there's
a great game.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Do you have a lean here?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
With Daniels back?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Running?
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Sorry, running quarterbacks have given the Chargers problems. Jackson Dark
last week had like fifty four yards.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
On the ground.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Chargers have an offensive line issue, so it's really really
hard for me. I think they have a better roster
than Washington. I think the Chargers probably bounce back, But
when you don't have your tackles. It disrupts everything. Kevin
O'Connell last week, all banged up on the offensive line.
Kevin O'Connell was getting crushed on social media for not
adapting and adjusting. How do you do it when you're
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on third string offensive lineman. You don't want to get
people hurt. So it's hard for me to embrace a
team with two elite left tackles. I mean, Justin Herbert's
getting whacked like fourteen to fifteen times a game.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Yeah, we're real quick, we know. Let's say Joe All
comes back. Chargers, you had them in your Super Bowl bubble.
Do you make a splash and go after maybe a
right tackle on a team that's not contending and say, hey,
can we get this guy? Do you train for one
of those thinking you could compete this year? Or do
you say no?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
We're going to say the course no, because you got
two great tackles, they're both hurt.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
I wouldn't do that. I think the Chargers are fine.
They just I may you know what I may do.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I may pick up a running back at the trade
deadline because Harris is out and I don't want to
give it. Hampton twenty three carries.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I think they have to.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
You know, Denver went and got Harvey in the draft,
and then they went and got JK. Dobbins and it
ended up being a really good pick. I think that
the Chargers should look for another back.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Hmm. Interesting, Okay.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
What's a bad team with a good running back? Ask
yourself that.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Let me look at the Panthers Shuba Hubbard or do
they pay him to us?
Speaker 5 (30:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
I mean, if you're the Panthers, you're selling again. If
I'm not giving up Breishall, I know a lot of
people are gonna call Breeshall. Looks like he's got some
pop with the Jets. He's had a good season. Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
About Tony Allen. How about the Wisconsin running back?
Speaker 5 (30:49):
To the back up?
Speaker 6 (30:50):
He's about to go on ir So you know he
got banged up. Melvin Kamara, that's interesting. Does he have
are you seeing like it? He feels like he got
old quick.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
He's the young guy Kendrey Miller or something like that.
He looked better than Alvin Kamara. But that's not about it.
I like where your head is at. I love this
NFL trade stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So I think the Rams need a corner, the Chargers
need a running back, and I like the Jets to
upset the Cowboys this.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Week for you, we're in. We're synergistic once again with
some of our picks. Colts Raiders. That was one of
your favorites.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
My favorite pick of the week is the Colts over
the Raiders, so it's my favorite pick of the week.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
I just have some PTSD from Daniel Jones with the Giants.
I don't know that I can trust that guy. I
want to take a coltson Survivor. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Another one is New England's getting a lot of points
in a division rivalry game and a team New England
can run the ball.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah, I don't think that's bad.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
All right, We're done for today. Verse things first up
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, he played ten years in the NFL. He's got
a new digital and YouTube show called a Rearview. Mark
Sanchez is joining us live. Your guest was Josh Allen,
who is I think, honestly is the most talented quarterback
just physical trace I've ever seen in my life. He's
a small town kid. Tell the audience the story about
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he and his dad and their new business venture.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Well, they actually have this partnership with wonderful pistachios. And
Josh Allen is from Fireball, which is outside of Fresno,
Central California, known for produce and farming and agriculture. So
he's a small town farm kid and him and his
dad had their first yield of crops pistachios, and it
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takes five years. The last time I talked to him
about it was exactly five years ago. So he's fired
up about this partnership and we got to break that
down a little bit and his agricultural skills, and also
talked a little bit about this occupation he.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Has playing quarterback in the NFL. So it was fun.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, it is remarkable how many of these great quarterbacks
grew up as small town kids. It is unbelievable, the
numbers if you go back. So you know, I was
saying this about Brock Purdy when Brock Purty was FBS
the four years he started at Iowa State. The reason
he dropped in the draft is he led college football
and interceptions. He was a little small and he threw
a lot of picks. So he goes to Kyle Shanahan's
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system and you don't see a lot of picks. He
cleaned it up, but now he's playing hurt and that
people fans don't un you're forcing things, you're playing hurt,
maybe you don't have quite the velocity, and now he's
making more and more mistakes. My take is some of
this is just the injuries. Because I thought from college
to pro Mark, I thought he had kind of cleaned
it up. I thought his judgment was very good. Where
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do you think the interceptions come from he's obviously not
totally healthy.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Is that part of it, Oh.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
That's a huge part of it. And I think he
went from.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
A steady distributor type point guard to a guy who's
got a score a lot more and they're leaning on
him a lot more to make plays with a different
type of roster than he came into the league with.
Remember he had guys like Brandon Ayuk, George Kittle, Deebo
Samuel and then halfway through the first year he started
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to get Christian McCaffrey. So three of those guys are
All pros or Pro Bowlers, perennial All Pros and Pro Bowlers,
and they all knew the system. They've been in the
system for years. So he just has to look at
a risk band, spit out a call, and go do
his job. Now he's working with different players, younger players,
first year, second year players that he doesn't have a
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ton of rapport with, and it puts you in a
position where sometimes you get a little riskier with the football.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And sometimes you just kind of press a little bit.
And I feel like that's kind of where he's at.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
He's trying to overcompensate for injuries and lack of personnel
around him. I do think if you get into the
argument of him versus Mac Jones starting, I still think
even with the toe injury, he gives you a little
more mobility. But yes, there's some of those riskier decisions,
you know, that kind of echo from his college days
that seem to be cleaned up. Also, I would argue
that the pocket is, you know, not as clean as
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he's normally used to, so he's having to move around
quite a bit. They're showing a little age on the
offensive line, and then they're starting some young guys. Connor Colby,
the left guard is starting in place of Banks and
Burford and all the guards that they've gone through. So
there's a bottom line is I don't care if you're
Steve Young, Joe Montana.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
You need guys around you.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And even if those guys came back into play right now,
the best ability would be Steve Young's legs, because you know,
it's tough finding completions right now for San Francisco, and
there's still three and one. Don't forget all this being said,
they're three and one, so they're still in prime position.
They got a big one tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So one of the things, you know, I've said this
about presidents before a long time ago, is they never
get credit for the mistakes they avoid, Like, like you know,
there's decisions that could be made we don't know behind
the scenes. A president goes, We're not.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Going to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You don't get credit for stuff you don't do. But
this happens in life. Sometimes you could be a husband,
you could.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Be a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I think Aaron Rodgers is the lowest rated PFF quarterback
and I said time out. I said time out. I've
watched a lot of quarterback play this year. I think
Aaron has figured out on the fly, and I thought
he did it in Dublin multiple O line injuries with
Minnesota Vikings right out of the gate, got a great
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pass rush, and Aaron said, I'm not throwing the ball
into trouble. I'm throwing this ball underneath. I'm getting completions.
I'm gonna let our defense win. And I'm just I'm
saying that's what I saw. But he's got He's low
graded by PFF and their takeaway is he doesn't throw
the ball down the field.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
And I'm like, I.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Watched the Minnesota's old line can't protect Carson.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
He shouldn't throw the ball down the field. And you're
laughing at this, Why well, I just.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Okay, eleven twenty one Pacific time, Colin Coward is defending
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I know if I've heard that, give me twenty second.
This could be a full Colin. What's going on? I
flipped the script here. Listen. I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I think you know he's the veteran conductor of the orchestra.
It's not flashy, but he's gonna get the whole group
in sync and hit every note. Reminder, this division is
theirs for the take with Joe Burrow down with Lamar
Jackson down for who knows how long with the hamstring.
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I mean they're playing Dylan Gabriel and Jake Browning next
are their two starting quarterbacks that they're going against. So
they finally figured out how to use DK Metcalf.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
And that took some time. You know, they don't have
a ton of time on task.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Aaron and DK and then Arthur Smith getting him involved
in understanding that's exactly what he does best what we're
watching on this highlight.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
He's a catch and run guy. He's a big.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Body contested ball defender catcher like that. That's exactly the
way you want to utilize him. And when it's available,
you take it. When it's not, you're going to have
to go dink and dunk and do some other stuff
to get the ball down the field get the run
game going. But he's got plenty of gas left in
the tank, and he's got plenty for deep balls and
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all those splash plays. But they're going to have to
generate some of those splash plays on screens, wide receiver screens, halfback.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Screens, tight end screens.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
That's where they're going to get some of their stuff
because they're not just to launch it down the field
the old type of team. But this post bye week
for them, they're on bye week right now. I mean,
it's set up pretty nice for them to potentially run
the table in the AFC North.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
So you have the Raiders at the Colts this weekend.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And I'm watching the Rams Colts game and I'm texting
a friend and I think J Mack may have been
one of the people. I'm like, first of all, in
these old line in these team's good. They got dudes
in these good team. And I said, second Okay, it's
not Stafford, but Daniel Jones is making big boy throws.
Daniel Jones is playing with a ton of confidence. His
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second interception, it's late. You don't have much time. I
don't even I don't care. I'll say it. I never
gave up on Sam Darnold. I gave up on Daniel Jones.
I don't even know what I'm watching. I mean, seriously, Mark,
I'm watching him. I'm like, oh, that's the starting quarterback
in the NFL. Big moves, big arm. Are you surprised
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a little?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, just adam to the list of former new players
that leave and go have success. I don't care whether
you're Giants or Jets. I mean, it's incredible to see
Xavier McKinney, Saquon Barkley, Leo Williams, Daniel Jones just out
into the list. So what Shane Steichen has done as
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assembled a roster, a strong offensive unit, a strong offensive
line that can keep the pocket clean.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
They got a great run game.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I love their running back and they have everything that
Daniel Jones had in the year he went to the
playoffs and won a game on the road in Minnesota
with the New York Giants.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean it looks very similar. Remember they had.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Saquon Barkley that year, and you know now they're working
with Jonathan Taylor. It's like a very similar setup. The
guy is surgical, he's an intelligent player. He's more athletic
than people give him credit for. You see some of
his scrambles. I mean, this guy can pick up fifteen
to twenty five yards like that. And then you know
they got this rookie tight end as ty Warren, Tyler Warren.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Out of Penn State.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean he's a big body, all of six to six,
big catch radius and he's still a rookie. He's still
trying to figure it out, and he's making this kind
of contribution early.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I mean, this is scary. They have plenty of talent
in that division.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I think it's kind of them in Jacksonville right now,
at least out of the gates this first month of
the season, that can really make a run in that division,
and that thing's wide open for those two teams.
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Speaker 1 (10:08):
By the way, Ashton genty breakout game, that's not a
great old line. You're looking at film, he kind of
you know. I mean it's Boise State. It's a big
jump up. It's not a great old line. What did
you make of his performance?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, I thought they had an excellent performance last week.
I think Austin powers Jackson does a good job for
them up front. He's their right guard, has played center
as well. Now they're going with Meredith at center. But
they also just lost Colton Miller, their left tackle that
they really loved at EUCLA.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
So that's going to be huge. Who's going to step in?
But I loved his ascension.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And remember this division, the AFC West, it's a street
fight every week. All those teams want to run the ball,
whether you're Sean Payton and the Broncos, you know Pete
Carroll and the Raiders, Chip Kelly, they want to run
the football.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Jim Harbaugh, they want to run the football.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
With the guys they have, they want to control the clock,
own time of possession, and just wear you down and
then knock you out at the end of games.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So this this division is right where they want it.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's just do we have enough playmakers in the past
game for when people packed the box, because that's what
teams are going to do, especially after this breakout game.
They're going to just load up the box and force
Gino Smith to beat everybody with you know, Trey Tucker,
Jacobe Myers, and you know Brock Bauers was wearing that
knee brace because he got nicked up a little bit
early in this season. So that's going to be where
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they have to take their next step. And they played
poorly this past week and they still had a chance
to win it with a field goal. The Bears blocked
the field goal and that ended the game. But even
with all those mistakes and guys that aren't quite household
names on their roster. They found a way to play
some inspired football and coach Carroll has this unit playing
really well. So they just dropped one, you know, kind
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of a tough loss at home, especially now they go
on the road to Indy have that game this week.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So I've two questions. One of them would be tape.
But here's my last question before tape. So I watched
the Packers and I said, they're the youngest team in
the league, and there is something Remember when Seattle lost
to San Francisco Week one and I thought they outplayed him.
There is something about young teams, Seattle's young, Green Baysia.
There is sometimes with young teams they don't quite know
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how to seal games when they're the better team.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
And it's a thing. It's a skill.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
There's a reason Kansas City wins all these close games
in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
It's a skill.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And I think and I watched Green Bay in Dallas
and I'm like, they just thought the clock. They're just
quite not there. That was my interpretation. Jordan loves great
he's playing great football. You got a terrific coach. They're
gonna be fine. But it's the process of winning games
against inferior opposition, and I think it's harder than fans
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and media think that it's a skill or am I
just fishing here and you don't buy it.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
No, that's one hundred percent true.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
These are learned traits and then soon it becomes part
of who you are and how you The coaches teach it,
but until the players, you know, handle it and experience it,
then they go back to the well for more, saying, Okay,
that worked, I trust you.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Let's keep this going.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
But the analogy for them really is like that little
league team that's like the ten year olds, and they
kind of stay together because they've been the youngest team
in the league for like three years, so they kind
of stay together at ten years old, but they're playing
up a division against the twelve and thirteen year olds.
So by the time they get there and they're twelve
and thirteen, it's like, hey, we've.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Done this for a while. Now we just got to
go prove it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
We didn't win all the tournaments before, but now we
got a shot in the finals every time. Now it's
just doing it a couple times, and then it turns
into riding a bike. Like teams you're talking about, like
the Chiefs. They just know how to win at the end,
and the first way to finish games is to stop
beating yourselves turnovers and penalties. As soon as they eliminate
those or even cut them in half, it's a no brainer,
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and they might start lapping teams. They might start winning
by fourteen points if they get their stuff together. So
I think most NFL games are truly are lost and
you don't have to go steal them at the end.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
One team will just end up giving the game away.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And so they're a young, deep, resilient group that can
survive this war of attrition that is injuries. You know,
it seems like they've been pretty healthy. So they have
a chance to run the table in their division. And
I like where they're headed, but you're right, it's all
about finishing.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Finally, I watch the Niners and the Jags. First of all,
the Niner special teams have been lacking to be diplomatic
for about three or four years, and that was a
part of the game. You know, Trevor Lawrence, I loved
them in college, and there have been moments in the NFL.
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You got to play you on a show. Where are
you with Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, it's interesting because that was a huge part of
our broadcast last week. And you know, I don't want
to be a quarterback apologist. You know that the numbers
are the numbers. He's got over seventy turnovers in his
career and at this point in your career going into
year five, that's not okay. But you look at the surrounding,
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the supporting cast, and the environment. He's been in four
different head coaches, four or five different coordinators. Finally he's
as a coordinator that comes from that Shanahan McVeigh kind
of tree that gives him options at the line of scrimmage.
This is one of the first times he's really had
to go through an entire You hear these quarterbacks say
can can can, Well, they're going up to the line
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of scrimmage with multiple plays and when they say can
they throw a play in the trash can and get
to a new play or completely audible, which he did
and won a game against Houston after playing poorly against
an all out cover zero blitz. So he's doing a
lot of this stuff and going through this can cryta
for each single run, going run to run, run to pass,
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run to run to pass, pass, to pass. I mean,
he hasn't had to do as much of that, and
that hasn't been on his plate. His plate is completely full.
He's got a center, thank god, who's been in the
system before. I felt that with Mangold when I got
to New York as a rookie. There's a lot to
handle in the run game. And so I think he's
finally getting a chance to get these guys in the
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right play, give them an advantageous shot at each down.
And you know, he took care of the football last week,
looked really good. And part of it is this scheme.
So we're gonna go to the tape and I'll show
you exactly what they're doing on.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
The goal line.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
They're using their big personnel, using the best five or
six skill guys they can get on the field, and
they're putting defenders in a bind. You see a ton
of teams do this. You see McVeigh do this with Stafford.
You see all the pre snap motion and movement different personnels.
So you're gonna see the motion.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
It's going to look like run.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
This has to look feel and smell like run because
everybody's playing Manda man across the board and if you
can get these guys to bite and get to these
specific spots with the right distribution. After you show the
presence of run and the threat of run, it makes
these guys hesitate on defense for just half a second,
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and that's all you need to buy. On a quick
play fake downhill, you see Hunter Long hit the end,
mikel Williams, the rookie trying to make up for Nick
Bosa and his big injury on the defensive line for
San Francisco. And there goes Siegal, the rookie having to
play again number thirty six. He's playing Manda Man against
the tight end and also has to go fit up
(17:42):
that run. If he gets the ball the halfback, he's
got to go hit that guy. And so Trevor places
this ball beautifully upstairs for his big target to go
grab it. Plenty of route distribution and it looks a
lot different for him. But the real magic I see
is you know, him being able to get these reps
under his belt. He's drinking through a fire hose. Don't
(18:05):
get it twisted. He is learning a lot on the
fly and doing things he's never done before. Footwork under center,
making checks at the line. But the real secret sauce
is this Anthony Campinelli defense. Look at this turnover reel.
This is just from one game. I mean, teams would
love to have this highlight reel of all these punch outs,
these tipball interceptions. Brock Perties trying to run like a
(18:27):
little trick shot kind of play. Throw it back to
the half bag. Boom, titball, Devin Lloyd right in your grill.
Titball Devin Lloyd, same story. And then look at this punch.
Dennis Gardek, a cast away from Arizona and the Cardinals,
finds a home in Jacksonville. And then your former forty
nine er Eric Armstead, who is a pillar on that
d line for years, punches the ball out and here
(18:48):
comes Foyer Lucan, you know, encroaching on a thousand tackles
in his career already. I mean, they got guys that
are completely sold out and bought in to taking the
football away. They're not happy would make the offense punt.
They want the ball back, and that's it. There's no
bones about it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Mark Sanchez as oh Is Money and Josh Allen on
rear View with Mark watched it.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
These are great episodes.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
If it was a I would buy that new show
if it was available at your Fox property.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
And I can't.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
All right, good seeing you. Yeah, good stuff. We'll do
Herdline after the break. And you know these uh, these
baseball series, I'm gonna I'm gonna go. I'm gonna throw
it out there. Podres even it up today, podreis even
it up. Dodgers went again, Yankees even it up?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
All right?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
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Speaker 1 (19:56):
Good stuff Today, Mark Sanchez, Joel Klatt, lot of baseball
fun day yesterday.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Will be as well today. Jmak with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
No, no, no, the news. This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Let's talk about Drake May and the New England Patriots.
Colin May had a good, good performance against the hapless Panthers.
Easy dub for me on that one. Three total touchdowns
for May. How about this, He's leading the league. It's
seventy four percent completions. I mean May is really cooking
right now. In a recent radio appearance, Pat's former quarterback
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Ty Law believes New England has found their guy.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
He is the guy. He's he's proven himself. Uh, this
is the second year when people you know when when
quarterbacks tend to either they make progress or they redress
in the second year. For Drake may to make a
step forward, which we've seen some quarterbacks in the past
they took a step back in their second year. I
think this is a good sign for New England. Now
(20:59):
you got to some pieces around him so he can
continued as success. But I think now we finally have
our successor to Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
No, I think it's absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
He's big.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
His thing was he had the justin Herbert komp The
difference is he wasn't polished.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
But look at what they have.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The five things that are very important in the NFL.
Good owner, good head coach, excellent offensive coordinator, left tackle, quarterback,
and they have one elite corner. Like this league Indianapolis
for years, I've been arguing had a good roster, but
before Daniel ands Shane Steikin hooke up, they couldn't get
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the quarterback right.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
It's not about being a perfect roster.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Do you get the owner, the coach, the offensive coordinator,
the quarterback, left tackle, one elite weapon and somebody on
the defensive front. Now, they don't have an elite weapon.
I think their running backs are both BB plus running backs.
But I mean, I do think your AJ Brown's discussion
is smart. The thing they lack to be a team
(22:05):
that can win playoff games is a weapon, I meaning else.
Now they're young, Drake's young, Will Campbell's young, Henderson's young.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
It's a new staff.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
They're not a multiple playoff win team, but they could
win a playoff game if you gave them an AJ
Brown to me one playoff game.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Okay, so I largely agree with you, but you know
I'm not here to ball wash you. We disagree, and
I think we make the audience smarter. Colin, I'm gonna
tell you the four opponents that Drake's May has faced
this year. Okay, the Vegas Raiders that's a bottom five
defense in the league, The Miami Dolphins bottom five defense
in the league. Pittsburgh Steelers this season so far bottom five,
(22:43):
and then Carolina, which is just awful. So I like May.
Remember I was higher on him than than Jayden Daniels.
I took a lot of flaks to that. I believe
in Nate. I just need to see a little more now.
I don't know if we'll see that against Buffalo this
week because Spencer Rattler moved the football over down the
field against Buffalo and then May faces the Saints. So
I don't really know what to I don't want to
(23:05):
go full all in on Nay. Are you ready to
do that? You're saying he's the guy. No.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I said in that draft, I liked every quarterback in
his class. JJ McCarthy ad reservations. I still believe in
all of them. I think Penis is inconsistent, so is Caleb,
but I'm I think they're I think they're once you
get the quarterback and the head coach right, as a fan,
just renew your season tickets, get a better bargain, buy
him for the next three years. Because they're going nower.
(23:31):
Miami is circling the drain. The Jets are perpetually circling
the drain. Josh is going to mostly win the division,
but this is going to be a playoff team going forward. Okay, Kella,
They've got to upgrade somewhere. On the sideline.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Scenario, Broncos stunned the Eagles. AJ Brown has three catches
for forty yards and he's pissed again. Do the Patriots
pick off the phone and say, listen, we're close. Well,
let's go get aj Brown. Yeah, let's put uh, let's
put a second and a fourth on the table and
see if they do yes.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Because they're very, very first of all, they they don't
have a ton of absolute urgent needs. I think their
O line needs to just keep getting better, and I
think they need a weapon offensively. But the truth is,
you're never gonna once you pay May in a couple
of years. You've got now because of Drake May's contract,
you got two years maybe three yet to go big
(24:19):
game fishing. So Drake May's a guy I would pay early.
Why you know he got Jayden Daniels pay him early.
Phone Nicks, those kind of guys. I'd pay a year
early to get a better deal on the contract. If
you're gonna have to pay them, I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You know it away.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
It works with quarterbacks. The longer you wait, the uglier
it gets with the team. But I think you have
two full years with Drake May. If you're gonna go
big game hunting, you have a major need on the
and you have not as an organization drafted that position,
well at all.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
All right, let's go to my Jets. Listen, we're not
gonna be talking about them a lot this season because
they stink. They are zero to four Titans or winless.
Saints are winless, Jets are winless. New York has been
the fourth most penalty yards this season.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
Not good.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
And my guy, Saws Gardner, I know Jets fans are
upset with me for talking about trading him. Well, listen
to this nonsense. He's upset with officials, But listen to
the logic.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Colin.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
I think I get called for more stuff just based
off of us just not winning. Just how us these
winning programs and give me some egregious things and it
don't get called like you know, Landon players play like
I got called him something today where it's like I
know the row and everything and I'm just supposed to
let him just push all the type of rude I'm
seeing kind of steps all that, like he's.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Not going to catch the ball regardless.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
I just feel like in general, even the Mike Emans ones,
I just feel like us not winning.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
It's just it's just what goes on.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I can I throw this at you? Rams No, Well,
I think it's interesting. I will say this is that
there's a reason Mike Krzyzewski was hard on reps because
it probably got him a couple calls.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
And there.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I do believe that Belichick for years was so respected.
His corners were so handsy and so physical, and Bill
was so respected, and they were so physical that some
stuff you just let go. Jerry Sloan, the late great
coach of Utah, they were so physical and so chippy,
you couldn't call everything. And I do think when you're
(26:24):
a bad team, you know, and the game is let's
say out of hand, you don't get that call, they're
just gonna arrest, gonna say I'm just gonna call it.
And when the game is tight and it's closed and
it's a winning team with a legendary coach, I don't
think it's rigged. I think it's the advantage of being
successful in life. It's like the advantage of being tall
(26:45):
or good looking. People just assume you know what you're
talking about. I think being on a successful team in
close games late a lot of times officials almost subliminally
swallow a whistle and let them play, and you don't
dot and blowouts and you don't do it on bad teams.
You just sort of it's almost innate. You're like, well,
(27:06):
they're sloppy, they're not well coached, and you're more willing
to call something. If Sauce Gardner was on the Rams
and Sean mcvay's on that sideline and they're in close games,
do you get a little extra sometimes?
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I think you do. I really do.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
I know Jets fans aren't happy. I want what's best
for the team. I like Sauce Gardner, Colin, how about
from our crack investigative staff here, Sauce is the highest
paid cornerback or defensive back in the NFL. He has
one interception in the last forty three games. I know
it's not all about picks, but one games. Don't tell
(27:42):
me they're not throwing at them.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Come on, no, let me ask you this. When you
lead the Jets in the fourth quarter, why throw?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I mean, seriously, if you go look at the interception
leaders in the NFL right now, I bet you some
of them are on teams that lead games in the
fourth court. Are forcing teams to throw even if they
have a second tier quarterback and a patchwork offensive line.
The Jets trail late. Why would I have to throw
dangerously towards soft gardener.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
That you see on the screen. There. Jets, Cowboys Fox games,
so we will talk about it. Cowboys favor by two
and a half. Why are they not three? Colin? I
have not bet the Jets since the opener up when
they covered thank You Alert, Thank you Jets are winning
out right.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Final story. I like the Jets there.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Jadeen Daniels has missed two weeks due to knee injury. However,
Dan Quinn says Daniels has been medically cleared and he
is practicing in full today. Marcus Mariota started the last
two games. They beat the Raiders and then look kind
of hapless against the I forget.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Oh the Falcons.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
So Daniels against the Commander's big one. I think there's
a great game.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Do you have a lean here?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
With Daniels back?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Running?
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Sorry, running quarterbacks have given the Chargers problems. Jackson Dark
last week had like fifty four yards.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
On the ground.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Chargers have an offensive line issue, so it's really really
hard for me. I think they have a better roster
than Washington. I think the Chargers probably bounce back, But
when you don't have your tackles. It disrupts everything. Kevin
O'Connell last week, all banged up on the offensive line.
Kevin O'Connell was getting crushed on social media for not
adapting and adjusting. How do you do it when you're
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on third string offensive lineman. You don't want to get
people hurt. So it's hard for me to embrace a
team with two elite left tackles. I mean, Justin Herbert's
getting whacked like fourteen to fifteen times a game.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Yeah, we're real quick, we know. Let's say Joe All
comes back. Chargers, you had them in your Super Bowl bubble.
Do you make a splash and go after maybe a
right tackle on a team that's not contending and say, hey,
can we get this guy? Do you train for one
of those thinking you could compete this year? Or do
you say no?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
We're going to say the course no, because you got
two great tackles, they're both hurt.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
I wouldn't do that. I think the Chargers are fine.
They just I may you know what I may do.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I may pick up a running back at the trade
deadline because Harris is out and I don't want to
give it. Hampton twenty three carries.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I think they have to.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
You know, Denver went and got Harvey in the draft,
and then they went and got JK. Dobbins and it
ended up being a really good pick. I think that
the Chargers should look for another back.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Hmm. Interesting, Okay.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
What's a bad team with a good running back? Ask
yourself that.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Let me look at the Panthers Shuba Hubbard or do
they pay him to us?
Speaker 5 (30:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
I mean, if you're the Panthers, you're selling again. If
I'm not giving up Breishall, I know a lot of
people are gonna call Breeshall. Looks like he's got some
pop with the Jets. He's had a good season. Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
About Tony Allen. How about the Wisconsin running back?
Speaker 5 (30:49):
To the back up?
Speaker 6 (30:50):
He's about to go on ir So you know he
got banged up. Melvin Kamara, that's interesting. Does he have
are you seeing like it? He feels like he got
old quick.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
He's the young guy Kendrey Miller or something like that.
He looked better than Alvin Kamara. But that's not about it.
I like where your head is at. I love this
NFL trade stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So I think the Rams need a corner, the Chargers
need a running back, and I like the Jets to
upset the Cowboys this.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Week for you, we're in. We're synergistic once again with
some of our picks. Colts Raiders. That was one of
your favorites.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
My favorite pick of the week is the Colts over
the Raiders, so it's my favorite pick of the week.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
I just have some PTSD from Daniel Jones with the Giants.
I don't know that I can trust that guy. I
want to take a coltson Survivor. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Another one is New England's getting a lot of points
in a division rivalry game and a team New England
can run the ball.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah, I don't think that's bad.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
All right, We're done for today. Verse things first up
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