October 1, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin gives more thoughts on the Wild Card rounds in the MLB and gives some predictions
FOX Sports CFB Analyst Joe Klatt stops by The Herd to talk about the Wisconsin-Michigan matchup, Oregon Ducks QB Dante Moore, Penn State HC James Franklin, and more
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Here we go, Wednesday, Hour two, All fired Up Joe
Klatten five minutes. So Podres can still beat the Cubs
played yesterday. Cubs win Game one. Podres have to play
a certain way. Outside of Manny Machado and Tatoos, they
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don't have any home run. Cubs have six guys who
can hit over twenty hit over twenty home runs. So
the bottom line is, there is a way the Podreys
have to play. It's got to be moving runners. They
led baseball in sacrifices. That's what they do. They win three, two,
four to three. Occasionally Machado stands up or tat teeth.
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They don't hit home runs, but they lead baseball and
sacrifice hits. And they have a great bullpen. So but
that bullpen's much more effective when you lead in the
eighth inning of ninth inning. And so yesterday I'm watching
this series, I'm like, oh, Podreys can win this series,
but they don't. They don't have the margins. They have
to win a certain way, and they couldn't get the hits.
Their best three hitters went oh for eleven and the
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Cubs only had six hits, but two were jacks, and
that's really the difference here. There's stylistically, San Diego only
got one hit with runners in scoring position. They had
seven opportunities, but they couldn't get the hits. So they
just don't have very wide margins. They have to hit
with runners in scoring position. They got to get base knocks.
That's what they do, because they're not getting they're not
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getting three and four run innings on the deep ball.
So the reality of this series is the games. I
think the games will be really close. But yesterday is
kind of how the Podreys are built to play. Move
runners over, keep the score low, get a lead, sixth inning,
go to the bullpen. Mike Shilt is the manager. Here
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his thoughts on rebounding in Game two.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
We know where's you know what we're looking at?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So, I mean, you know, we got to take care
of business tomorrow to set ourselves so up to take
care of business on Thursday, and we expect to do that.
And in our clubhouse right now, it's disappointed. But nobody's hit,
nobody's hanging their head. You know, this is a good
club that knows what they're capable of doing and is
eager to show up to go compete tomorrow. Do you
want to get the ball and we'll take it from there.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
The Yankees loss is different, but somewhat similar is that
they have a way to win two. It's the opposite
of the podreis. They don't sacrifice. It's all power. Having
more money doesn't mean you don't have problems, problems, it's
just different problems. The Yankees don't do a ton well,
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especially with Garrett Cole injured early in the season. Out
the bullpen's not very good. They don't sacrifice, you know,
runners in scoring position, we need a single. That's not
what the Yankees do. They're the opposite of the Podres.
It's all power, and I mean, when's the last time
the Yankees overachieved. That's a fair I mean. Brian Cashman
twenty eight years, Randy Levine twenty five years, Aaron Rodgers,
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Aaron Rodgers Aaron Boone, eight years. They're they're really patient.
I respect that. But the Kansas City Royals, low revenue,
low payroll, Tampa are getting to the World Series as
often in the last fifteen years, twenty years. So Yankee
fans have had enough. I mean yesterday is a prime
example of the Yankees. They struck out thirteen times. Well,
of course they did. They're the Yankees. They strike out
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a lot. So I said that last segment. I mean,
the Angels and the Rockies strike out more. The Rockies
have more home runs than the Podreys. Rockies won forty
three games, and the Yankees strikeout at the Colorado Rockies
pace a team that won forty three games. So the
Potterys and Yankees are the opposite that I think they've got.
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They have a certain way they have to play, and
the Yankees have to get home runs in high leverage spots.
And you go to the ninth inning and here comes
Otter Milnour eraldis Chapman, and good luck, that's uh good luck.
Here's Aaron Boone.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I thought we had, you know, a lot of really
good to bats against him. I thought caba Eros at
bat the inning before was really good you know, obviously
Goldie getting us, Golling, Judgie smoking the ball, belly doing
his thing. And then I thought, gee, you know, g
didn't get any results tonight, but I thought, I thought
he had a lot of good swings, a lot of
just misses, and you know they got us tonight.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That that's not going to play well in uh sports
talk radio in New York. But they're they're I mean,
Milwaukee is the most complete team in baseball. I think
that's inarguable. Dodgers' bullpen yank yikes, Yankee strikeouts, bullpen yikes.
Cincinnati doesn't you know, they don't have They're gonna get
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overwhelmed by the Dodgers. Padres can't get any big innings
off the deep ball. So Cubs pretty complete, Brewers really commplete,
Mariners pretty complete. But it's a wild playoff. You have
low payroll, small market, big market. Yesterday was great with that.
Joel Klatt joining US live the voice of college football
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at Fox. He's got Wisconsin at Michigan Saturday, so I'm watching.
We went into a season there were quarterbacks we all
like Drew Aller, Kate Kludnik, we all were like, Okay,
these guys are really good. And I had said the
interesting guy about two weeks ago, I said, Dante More
throws the ball at a pro quarterback, and he's got movement.
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His ability to go to Penn State with that crowd
and to be stoic and unbothered and have that temperament
like it was a little jaw dropping. And Tod juxtapose
him next to Aller, who doesn't have the feel to me,
doesn't have the feel for the game that Dante Moore does.
It just feels like Dante Moore. He just some guys
just it's just kind of innate. They just got a
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feel for it. I don't know. I watched him and
I said yesterday, if I had a number one pick,
I think I'd picked Dante Moore. I found that. I
think he's that good, is he not? I think at
this point he would be one of my favorites for
the Heisman Trophy, you know, And I do think he's
that good. And you know, you just describe it as
stoic and unbothered. I would say calm. He was calm.
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He was calm in the pocket was his face was calm,
And it didn't matter the situation, It didn't matter if
it was the first snap of the game, they're dealing
with the crowd, noise, all those fourth downs that they
would go for. Where he was carrying the football, didn't
matter if he got hit, if he was having to
leave the pocket to make throws, make throws from the pocket,
if he was having to drive the football, throw with
touch across his body. He did all of it. And
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by the way, probably the best play that he made
was that one that you're showing right now, where you
know it's in double overtime and maybe the best defender
in college football or edge rusher in college football that
I did. A sudden is bearing down on him unblocked,
and he calmly just protects the football, scoops it under him,
steps up in the pocket, leaks out towards his right
and delivers a dirt. I mean, his ability to make
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plays is fantastic, but it's more than that, and you're
touching on it. It's this calm nature that he has,
and I think that that's born through preparation and ability.
He's got great confidence in himself everything around him. When
I talk with Will Stein, their offensive coordinator, you know,
he tells me that Dante prepares as well or better
than anybody he's ever been around, and he was around
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Teddy Bridgewater, who was historically one of the great preparers
in college football at Louisville. So I think that the
sky's the limit for Dante Moore, not only in college
football here at Oregon in this season, but ultimately, you know,
in the National Football League. So I've defended James Franklin. Yes,
he's losing. I defended for years Ryan Day. I'm like,
he's losing to Harbonughn Michigan in Georgia. Give me a break,
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James Franklin's losing to the right. People that said that
felt like a game you have to win, ye home
or Dante mord never played it in front of that
crowd you have mostly even players you're at home. That
one felt like, Okay, I've defended James. You got to
win that game, don't you. I would agree with you,
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and I've done the same thing, you know. So I
bring up this stat last week they were in the
regular season over their last fourteen and top ten matchups
going back to twenty sixteen. We talked about that, but
this one was the first time that they were both
the higher ranked and the favored team. So like you're saying,
in a lot of those matchups, they're eighteenth in the
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country going to number two Ohio State, and it's like, listen,
you're probably not going to win that game. So I
think the narrative is a little bit overblown, although it
is factual, and this is one that you sit in
the bucket where you've got to win this game. Oregon's
in largely a rebuild. Here's what's scary for the Big
Ten is that that's a rebuilt team, transfer portal and
young players everywhere, true freshmen back Dariel d err Hill,
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two freshmen at corner, one red shirt, one true like
I said, rebuilt offensive line, through the transfer portal of
quarterback that's making his first starts as a duck and
in particular in an environment like that. Meanwhile, Penn State
has all of these experienced players back, including Drew Aller
their quarterback, and they can't win the football game. And
that's the alarming part for Penn State. And so this
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is what I would say for Penn State is that
you've got to have a clear eyed evaluation. You've got
to have some competitive integrity and evaluate yourself honestly, what
is going wrong in these moments, and I think that
you've got to come down to two conclusions, Colin. Number
one is this offensive system that they're trying to run
is not a fit for Drew Aller, And unless you're
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going to change the quarterback, you better change the offensive
system or at least how you go about philosophically. He
is not an RPO quarterback that wants to be a
point guard, fast hands, fast feed type of guy, and
yet that's the offense that they try to run. I
think they need to take a page out of what
Ohio State did a year ago, which they went and
lost to Oregon in the regular season in Eugene, and
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they changed their defense because of it. Why did they
do that, Because of the players and the players skill set.
They wanted to get Caleb Downs more involved in the action,
and so they changed the structure of their defense to
better suit the players that they had. Well, they need
to change the structure of the offense at Penn State
to better suit their quarterback. And then the last thing
would be game management. You know, I thought at the
end of the half, they did a poor job of
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leaving time for Oregon, and Oregon got an extra possession
out of that, and then those types of games, you've
got to do everything perfect. So James needs to be
better at game management. And then I think that they
need to take a hard look in the mirror at
exactly what they're trying to do offensively and what Drew
Aler can do, and they need to marry the two together. Okay,
I don't think anybody is going to beat to Ohio
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State because I think they're going to struggle to score.
Last year, I felt like Ohio State, between the receiving corps,
the quarterback play stud running backs were both doing well
in the NFL. I thought they just had too much
offensive firepower, as Oregon found out the first game and
the second the second when Oregon couldn't keep up offensively.
I look at this defense for Ohio State. Now, I
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look at the defense and I'm like to go to
Seattle Jedfish. They got Washington's got some offensive pieces they
don't have Ohio State. They just they made all the
big plays. I think it's a different version. And by
the way, last year they had Chip Kelly, so over
the course of a season, that offense got smarter, it
got more efficient, it it grew and grew and grew,
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and at the end it was a train. This is
Matt Patricia and Okay, now all of a sudden you
start looking at it and you're like, oh, arch Manning
couldn't figure it out. Oh Jed Fish and Washington couldn't
figure it out. Okay, this is powerhouse personnel, great offensive coach.
I think Ohio State looks like a team that's going
to play for the national championship. You you know, you
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remember watching Usain Bolt run the hundred. Yeah, and he
was the fastest, but it looked like he was running
the easiest. Remember that, And like everybody else is like,
you know, like this and he's just kind of gliding
through the line looking back at people. That's what Ohio
State feels like to me right now, because they haven't
even gotten into fourth gear offensively, like they haven't needed it.
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They've played very conservative football and relied on their defense.
And here's what's interesting, And Colin, I don't disagree with
your premise, although I would just say I think that's
selling last year's team just a little bit short. That
was the number one defense in college football a year ago,
the number one defense, and they're better this year that's
the scary although it's different this year. It's different because
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of the speed and athleticism that they have, in particular
at the second level. Two guys that I want to
point out Sunny Styles, which is an experienced linebacker that
moved from safety a couple of years ago. He's a
terrific player. And then this new starter that they have,
Rvel Reese. We should hear scouts talk about Rvel Reeves.
This guy is a game wrecker at the linebacker position,
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and they're so long and fast that opposing offenses can't
do anything against them. That's why Demand Williams, who's a
really terrific running quarterback dual threat, he couldn't get loose
because these guys were spying him. Oh hey, by the way,
the best defender in the sport is behind those guys
and Caleb Downs. So it provides an opportunity for a
young defensive line to continue to develop, which they are.
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Cayden Curry had three sacks last week, and that's what
makes them such a dangerous team and why the offense
has just been gliding along second gear, third gear. We
haven't even seen the best from Julian Sane and Jeremiah Smith,
and they're just developing themselves into a team. And that's
what worries me for the rest of college football is
the team that looks like they're running the easiest is
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actually running the fastest right now. So I went to
the USC game and my takeaway people were banging on
Lincoln Riley because they scored too fast in the end.
And my takeaway is, when you're on the road with
twenty year old kids and you can score a touchdown,
score a touchdown. Their offensive line was this in their lead.
I would disagree with that. I would disagree with that.
I think they should have played around and gotten cute. Well, no,
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they didn't need to play around and get cute. They
just needed to keep the integrity of the drive that
they were on. So they got the ball down six,
so they're down fourteen. They go down and score and
go for two. Okay, great, all right, the analytics tell
them to go for two. They get it. So now
they're down six and an extra point is going to
win the game if they can put the ball in
the end zone. And I will give you this. You
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have to score, and I understand that, and you'll take
a score whenever you get it. However, the drive as
it was constructed, the philosophy of that drive. They got
the ball with around four minutes to go, and they
wanted to make it the last drive. That's how they executed.
That was the philosophy of the drive, the integrity of
the drive up until the point where they're just inside
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of the red zone and now there's just inside of
two minutes. They have bled all of that time. They're
running the football, well, they're throwing some screen routes, they're
moving the ball. Illinois still has all three timeouts left.
There's about a minute fifty five and all of a sudden,
on first down, you take a shot to the end
zone like out of the blue. No, no, no, you keep
the integrity of the drive. That doesn't mean that you're
messing around. It doesn't mean that you're trying to drain
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the clock. It just means that you're in the philosophy
of how you're moving the football. If they hand the
football off once, great, twice, even better, you're draining the timeouts.
You're draining the clock, and then you can still get
a first down in that moment, which would have been
just inside of the six yard line and you can
still score. So my criticism was just that at first
down was not the time to take a shot. If
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you want to take a shot on third down right there,
you know, I would be fine with that. But again,
stay in the integrity of the philosophy that you had
from the beginning of the drive. Yeah, Jmac texted me
after the touchdown, he goes good win for USC, and
I said, Illinois has a great kicker. They scored way
too fast, and their defense looks fatigue. They can't get
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a pass rush.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I turned to Gus right after the touch and I said,
Illinois wins. Right after the USC touchdown, as soon as
that they took a shot and he caught that ball.
Brett Bielima must have been thrilled on the sideline. I
know that sounds wild, it does. I get it. I understand,
but Illinois had been moving the ball all day long.
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The only thing that stopped him were fumbles at the
goal line, and they got a great kicker. They were
winning the game. So when everybody banged on harball for years,
Joel Clatt and myself are like, you think he can't
coach settle down. Take a deep breath. A lot of
the flame throwers that other networks went crazy. You and
I didn't. When people wanted Ryan Day fired. You and
I were like, hey, he's losing to Harbaugh, who's been
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to Super Bowls. He's losing to Georgia. Ryan Day's a
really good coach and he won a Natty so Calon
de Boor I said this when Bama hired him, Greg Byrne.
I said he could have hired Dan Lanning Southern Ties.
He could have gone after Debo Southern Ties. There were
a lot of people he could have hired. And Greg
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Burn goes, no, I'm gonna go West and I'm gonna
get that Washington guy. And I thought, despite being a
great coach, you know, the SEC has gobbled up a
lot of good coaches. And I thought it was kind
of a gutty higher. You know, Dabo could have been
there if you threw a ton at him and other guys.
Dan Lanning has that Southern background. When he was beaten
Georgia and out coaching Kirby Smart, My take was, why
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are you doubting Ryan Day, Jim harbaughd Kalin de Boor?
Do you not think they can ca? I thought his
first half game plan was unbelievable. Yeah, it was incredible.
It was incredible. I loved their answer. That team looks
far different than the team that lost to Florida State.
I mean not even the same team at all. The
effort level was different, The offensive line play in terms
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of protecting the quarterback was much different. And that's actually
the main point is that if they can protect ty Simpson,
he's an extraordinary quarterback. And they've got great weapons on
the outside with Williams and Bernard, so they can throw
the football and de Boor and Ryan Grubb. Remember Ryan
Grubb was not there last year. He was the offensive
coordinator for the Seahawks after they were together in Washington.
Now Grub is back with him, and when they have
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the right fit at quarterback, it's really beautiful. They had
that with Michael Pinnox at Washington. Now they have it
with ty Simpson at Alabama. So they can throw the
football as well as anybody in the country. My worry
for Alabama though, is that there's still some glaring holes
right now with the way that they play. They gave
up two hundred yard rushing to Georgia. They gave up
two hundred yards rushing to Florida State, and they don't
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run the football very well, so Ty Simpson basically has
to have a cape on his back. The game plan
has to be perfect for them to go win. That
makes me nervous in what I think is a balanced league.
I don't think the SEC is a great league this
year with a great team, but it's balanced and it's
going to be a lot of one score games. They
might be in a one score game this week at
home against Vanderbilt with Diego Pavia. And if you all
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of a sudden have an off day throw in the
football or your offensive line is not protecting well that day,
you're finished. You're done. And so that's what makes me
worried about Alabama is it's not the Alabama that we're
used to. Everything you said about Kaitlyn de Bor I
agree with he's a great coach, there's no doubt. But
this this seems to be I don't want to say
a one trick pony, but there is one clearly excellent
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part of this team and several average areas of this team,
and that would worry me going forward. Yeah, listen, let's
be honest about college football now. It is not just
Georgia Bama Clemson. Right, Really, it's very very even because
and what happened about four years ago in the transfer
portal is it used to be Bama Georgia and if
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oh left tackle goes down, well we got a five
star guy behind him. Yeah, they stop file talent. That
guy now goes to Louisville or Texas Tech, or he
gets purchased. So Alabama and Georgia don't have the depth,
the dominance depth. They have really good players, but if
a running back gets hurt, the second running back is
not an NFL player. Sometimes when I'm watching Georgia, I'm like,
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they're just not as fast, they're not as dominating. And
by by the way, Bama's got good players, but they
have holes under Saban You're like their third corner was unbelievable.
So that the transfer portal and nil has made this
sport very even. Yeah, and by the way, how about
all the people that lament those two things. And I
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get it it's frustrating, But just because something's frustrating doesn't
mean that it's bad, Okay. And what we've seen in
college football is a transformation of the sport where now
ten twelve, thirteen teams I think could possibly win the
national championship. Now is it totally likely. I don't know
if it's totally likely. But prior to this, Colin and
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you and I used to talk about this, there were
like three maybe that would win the national championship or
could win the national championship. To watch the SEC and
it looks so much faster than the Big Ten, and
now that's done. Now that's not. In fact, I'd say
the three best teams that I've seen so far probably
Ohio State, Penn State, and Oregon, maybe Miami Mix. And
they're like, you can't even get to an SEC team
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in the kind of the top four. I know people
are popping up and mine maybe do this with A
and M and maybe Texas or Georgia or Alabama. But
the elite teams in college football no longer rest in
the SEC. The top of the sport now rest in
the Big Ten. And it's it's just true. Thank god,
you and I aren't just out here for clicks. We're
giving nuance. That's right. It was great to see you Saturday,
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by the way, it was you know what I was.
Somebody said, do you want to go see Gus and
Joel Klatt and I said, you know what, professionals don't
want to get in the way of the production. And
I did the pregame show, and I said, with the
barstool guys, and I said, that's fun. I'll go downstairs
and you know, do that stuff. But a couple pros
up there, I didn't want to get in the way.
That's right, that's right, sacred ground up there in the booths.
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We don't just let anybody in. That's right, that's right.
I didn't have the passes. I wasn't equipped with the
accurate passes that get you in. Joel Klatt Boyce college football,
Mark Sanchez Next hour has got all sorts of great stuff,
and Jmac this town. Yesterday I took the train home.
There's nobody on it. Cubs game.
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I'm trying to get dust Dodgers tickets for the next
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You know, I know you.
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I know people in New York think New York is
the best baseball city. The Dodgers outdraw both last time
I checked, the Dodgers drew like seven thousand more a
game than New York, the Yankees, and remember Dodger stadiums
not easy to get in and out of. Basically, I'm
not I'm saying it's a great state. It's one of
the oldest stadiums, so they're not selling new cool stuff.
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It's an old stadium. It is hard to get into.
Traffic in LA stinks, and they are listening. I always
thought it was a Laker town, and then you moved
to Los Angeles. It's a Dodger town.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
I would slightly say Dodgers over Lakers.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yes, yes, yeah, it's And then the other thing is
they on the division to get It's so funny. Everybody's
lamenting the Dodgers. Oh my, get what do they win
ninety three games? If they would have blown just half
the saves? Yeah, just think about this, thirteen saves, they
would have won one hundred and six games. What's seven? No, Yeah,
I'm bad with math.
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You were busy last night, or you went to bed
in the midwest of the East Coast and you did
not see Shoho Tani's sixth inning second home run. Here
it is M five seventy in La on a one
to one.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Otani HiT's a towering ball deep rightfield. He flips the
bad bad watches it fly three quarters of the way
up the pavilions. Just a minimouth blast for his second
home run, and the Dodgers are pouring it on in
Game one.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I remember a couple of years ago and I said,
he's better than Babe Ruth. Whoa, folks, he is so
much better than Babe Ruth. Steals ace power average. I mean,
there's just nothing like him. I remember when Michael Jordan
was in the league and I can remember watching it
on the couch with a friend against the Phoenix Suns
(25:01):
in the finals, and I'm thinking, Barkley maybe the second
best player in the game, and Barkley had a great
series and Barkley wasn't close. Like that's what I feel like,
Like Gretzky, it sounds ridiculous to argue Gretzky's not the
best hockey player of all time, Like it's just ridiculous.
And it's like Otawani is notches above Freddie Freeman and
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Mookie Bepps. Who are you know, Hall of Fame level players.
He's just an all timer and we all got to
watch him. Jmack with the News.
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You know who else we get to watch? It's the
superstar mister George Pickens.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
How about that game on Sunday Night football Colin against
the Packers. I mean, he was phenomenal, two touchdowns and listen,
I'm not calling.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Him a superstar. Jerry Jones is are you ready for this?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Listen to what Jerry Jones said about acquiring Pickens and
his potential future.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
An exemplary teammate, he is exemplary in his work preparation.
I'm proud to tell you that we've got some outstanding
structure in our cap space that will allow us to
do a lot of things that I didn't think when
we finished this time last year that we might have
the room to do some of these things we're talking
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about doing. We paid a prize for it. We had
to not sign some players that we might have thought
we should, our fans might have thought ought to be signed.
On the other hand, we can do it now.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
So if you couldn't clearly hear that through that Texas
drawl or the Southern drawl, I'll say he essentially was saying, Hey,
if we had signed Michael, we couldn't get Pickens.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
But now we didn't sign Micah, so we could afford Pickens.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
That's right, And I said, he's going to be paid Pickens.
Green Bay is going to win this trade, just like
just like the Heat did when they got shocked. When
the Lakers had to make a choice, they knew that
Kobe long term, better shape order, practice player, more committed.
But they knew for the first couple of years because
Shaq was going to a very good, ready to win
a title team. They were going to have to eat
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a dirt sandwich in the trade and get crushed. But
the Lakers were right. This is one of those where
Dallas is right doing this, but they're going to get
crushed because Green Bay's really good. They now have four
first round picks in the next two years and do
not need a quarterback, do you? Everybody like Cleveland has two,
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they need a quarterback. Rams have two. They'll draft a
quarterback to have two first round picks. That means, let's
say the Cowboys have the number eight draft spot. Somebody's
going to go up and off from a third and
a fourth or a third and a fifth and they
can go okay, and then they can do that again
when they move back to twelve, and they can do
it again. Dallas could literally get six picks with one
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of their first round picks. Because if you go into
a draft next year. I wrote it down the other
day the teams that need a quarterback next year, and
I wrote down eight teams. Now I'm counting the Rams
who don't need one today but they will in a
couple of years. And Arizona, I think would consider if
the right one fell to them. So I counted those two.
You start doing Jets and Cleveland. I didn't count the
Giants Jackson Dart. I think they'll go with him. I
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started counting teams once again. Six teams, maybe eight could
put themselves in a position to draft a quarterback. And
the Cowboys are gonna have a top ten pick, and
maybe one of the only teams. Go look at the
standings right now, one of the only teams that'll be
a top ten pick that doesn't need a quarterback is Dallas.
This is gonna work out so well for them. So
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time out, you had me and lost me. Okay, So
a couple things. First of all, on this quarterback thing,
we talk about Glass Joe Burrow.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Okay, I look at the last five seasons of Dak Prescott.
He's been missing a lot of games with injuries. So
and he's older than Burrow, He's thirty two, So kNN,
I don't know that he's The Cowboys don't need a quarterback.
They got to think about a backup at some point.
That being said, this idea that becoming the Cincinnati Bengals
is a good thing. They're essentially Higgins Chase and Burrow.
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That's what they will be that Cowboys inoffs.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
The Cowboys have better personnel than Cincinnati, and Burrow has
been hurt multiple times, and Cincinnati's got infrastructure issues, a
tiny scouting department.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
Dallas's defense cannot stop anybody Dallas.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Dallas is a franchise that consistently, when they have it,
will spend money. Spend it on DAK, spend it on CD,
spending on Tyron Smith, spending on Zach Martin. They keep
their stars. Here's one they didn't because they got trapped
the last two years. They had no flexibility. They couldn't
even spend eight million dollars on Derreck Henry. So Jerry's like,
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I'm a dealmaker. I can't make any deals and so
I do not consider, if it's a word, the frugality
of Cincinnati in Dallas. When Dallas has stars, they pay him,
and they often pay him early, not all the time,
but they have Jalen Smith's a linebacker they shouldn't have
paid and they Cincinnati never does that.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
One final note, we know Pickens is in college he
had some issues and in Pittsburgh, Colin You remember when
Mark Sanchez off Air told us when he was with
the Jets, there was a receiver who was a bit of.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
A problem, who was playing his butt off for a contract.
The second he.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Got it, he starts showing up late was an issue.
I'm not gonna say the receiver's name. Jets fans know
who I'm talking about, Colin that there is that risk
with Pickens. We know he's playing for a contract, he
has had issues in the.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Pennot he is a high risk, high reward play.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not paying. Some players are leases,
some some relationships are dating. Pickens has been great this year.
But at wide receiver, Ceedee Lamb's a star. I'll go
draft other wide receivers.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Okay, all right, let's.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Move on to the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin, Now this is
interesting Tush push. Eagles faced the Broncos this week. Numbers
coming down, by the way. Sean Payton was asked about
the quote unquote controversial Tush Push.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 9 (30:57):
I was one that stood up in favor of the
reason I stood up in favor of is It's pretty simple.
If the powers to be don't want it for aesthetic
reasons or competitive reasons, you know, or it's hard to officiate,
et cetera. But I've been involved in those meetings for
a long time, and when all of a sudden health
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and safety was pulled into that which might be the
safest playing football, my bull nose kind of went up.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Are you reading anything?
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Is this gamesmanship on his part ahead of the toot bush?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
No?
Speaker 7 (31:37):
So, by the way, Philly had that wrinkle with the
Saquon Barkley handoff out of the toot bush, and they
had a couple of Dallas Goddard little shovel passes. Listen,
they're being really smart with this. That being said, Colin,
very interesting game. This was four and a half. It's
down to three and a half. We're waiting on word
on Jalen Carter.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
M r dude.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I already tell about it yesterday on a Tuesday, and
I had Denver plus the point oh man, okay, I
was the headlines crew was already asked for Friday's picks.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
This game was will be involved on Friday.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Final STORYCM, Let's go to the Seattle Seahawks, your team.
I kind of scoffed at you when you said they
were in the Super Bowl bubble. Hey man, they host
Baker Mayfield in week five. Now, interesting issue here is
the Mariners are hosting the Divisional Round at T Mobile
Park across the street from Womenfield. The NFL game could
be delayed one to two hours, and Mike McDonald addressed
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that situation Monday.
Speaker 10 (32:41):
From from what I understand, it's not that big of
a move, so we would just adjust our morning schedule accordingly, Reuly,
no big deal. It's actually it's actually kind of great
that we're going to be forced to move. I think
that's uh, it's awesome for our city and it's gonna
be a really exciting Sunday.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You know what they call Seattle Winnersville, nothing but winter?
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Did you just make that up?
Speaker 7 (33:03):
So it's interesting because the four pm slate has some
good games on Sunday four pm for the East Coast.
Obviously Tampa, Seattle's good, Tennessee, Arizona's a dud, but Jaden
Daniel's returning versus the Chargers. One of us here might
be at that game, and then Lions Bengals Jake Brown
and getting smashed by the Lions will be fun. I'm
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embarrassed that I was scoffing at you for liking Seattle
in the preseason Colin. Sometimes you know, the squirrel gets
a nut every once in a while, and I think
you're onto something. I like Seattle against Baker this weekend.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
So on, boy, I'm gonna beat Insufferable. I'm gonna be
insufferable if Darnold wins that puppy.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
And the Mariners get to the world too, that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I have Brewers beating the Mariners in.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Six Yankees are going They're fine, all right.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
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Speaker 1 (34:29):
Okay, so, uh this is I just got this footage,
so before we run it, uh, let me set it up.
It'll be tough for the radio audience to understand this
or de cipher it. This is kind of for TV,
but you know, I got to show the video. Dylan
Gabriel is going to start for the Browns a quarterback,
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but Flacco is being benched but still remains number two,
Schnor Sanders. Even if Dylan Gabriel falters, they'll just bring
Flacco back in. So Shadur is now three and so
he was asked multiple questions by the Cleveland media today.
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He had a smile. I've said before he seemed like
a nice kid. He had a smile. I don't think
he's always the most mature, but he smiled. But he
mouthed the words without actually speaking. It is odd. So
here's what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Locally.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Cast A third question, how much?
Speaker 7 (35:47):
How much has Joe been important to both of you
and Dylan in terms of your guys like development to.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
This point, from prime to I'm to mine time. Apparently
that's a legendary response. So, uh, it's something I don't
know what to make of it. You know, I got
gray hair, he's in his early twelve. I don't want
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to pick on people.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute. What just happened. I've
never seen that in my life. I don't even know
was he is he doing a skit? Like what?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
He's got a mother and a father. I wish them
the best. I mean, we haven't hard enough on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
You know, do we have a lip reader on staff?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Like?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
What's he saying?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
You know what? He's smiling?
Speaker 6 (36:36):
But what is he This is? This is the NFL.
You're a professional athlete.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
This is this is not like Juco where you could
joke around with this stuff.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
What is he saying?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Well, he's mouthing it, He's not saying it. I think
the point is he doesn't want to be quoted, maybe
by newspaper people, so he's mouth he's mouthing it without
saying okay, Colin it on TV.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I know, we're in the communication business, he's in the
football playing business. So I think he's just I you
know what I mean, Like, I don't want to pick
on him. I don't even understand what he's doing.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
But whatever he's doing is going to be a big
story today. It's like Wednesday. It's not a lot happening
in the NFL. This is going to be everywhere he's
going to get three million views on Instagram, Twitter, all
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Again, the NFL doesn't care about influencers, Thank god Instagram does.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
So.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I don't know. It's it is what it is. It's listen.
I covered this story like crazy, I literally during the
summer because I was so interested in it. And I've
said this before. The audience drives the bus. I don't
what you're interested. And I talked about so I was
fascinated by because I thought he was a good quarterback.
He dropped to the fifth round, he tore it up
in OTA's and he literally was like they had him
for strength. So I would go every day and just say,
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is this thing hitting? Is it tracking? And it was.
Everybody else was fascinated. Now it's more like sad, weird,
Odd and I and that, like the JJ McCarthy situation,
similarly to me, is getting to a point where I
didn't buy into him. I said it, I stated it.
I always want to stay in my opinion on JJ McCarthy.
I'm like, I buy Caleb, I buy Drake, I buy Nicks,
I buy Pennix. I thought it was a great quarterback
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draft class. The one guy I pushed back home was
JJ McCarthy. I think I've been proven right, but it
will get to some point. If it's a confidence above
the shoulder issue with JJ McCarthy, then I don't feel
comfortable talking about it. This thing's getting odd and weird.
It's gone from compelling to like crazy, whatever that is.
I don't know. I feel it's just not working, you know,
(38:31):
and maybe it works somewhere else, But I believe it
or not, I don't wake up in the morning like
I used to never criticize college kids, and now they
get paid. They're professionals. Okay, you're like, if you come
intern for Fox and we pay you, I'm gonna yell
at you. If you're an unpaid intern, I'm not going to.
But if you got paid as an intern and you
screwed up, i'd bark at you. You're a professional. That's
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how I view it. So I never like to criticize
college kids. Now you've got quarterbacks making more than offensive coordinators.
It's a different ballgame. So he's a professional athlete. I'm
gonna I'm gonna criticize professional athletes. But there does come
a point when it's like it pivots to compelling to sad. Sad,
and I just don't feel like I just don't feel
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like I want to be part of that. Well, here's
the thing.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
Somebody had to tell him, Hey, hey, why don't you
try this. You could screw with the media and it
would be funny like that. That's terrible advice.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Well whatever, but that maybe that's it. You know, this
is the last time I'm gonna run it. Yeah, he's
got a smile on his face. He's joking. You know,
he is very he is. I said when he came
into the league, I said one of the things I
didn't love about him he was kind of silly. I
think he's a nice kid. He grew up with some money, comfortable.
He's a little bit silly for my taste. I didn't
like Drew Locke. I thought he was silly. I wasn't
I thought Cam was distracted. And I've said this before.
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Jameis Wins a little silly, Jameis Winston, Baker, Mayfield, you know,
Johnny Manzel, that's me.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
Sure is the word.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I'm always pushed back. I think maturity matters a lot.
I pushed back on Johnny, I pushed back on Baker,
I pushed back on Jamish and I thought he but
I just thought he was. He threw an accurate football
and moved well.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
But you know what, is it possible he lost his
voice and he could that's.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
A great Yes, maybe there's a cold going around Cleveland. Yeah, okay, well,
I mean he couldn't audible, so I mean he couldn't
play anyone. It's crazy. God, yesterday was fun with all
the baseball playoffs. It was really fun in Chicago. I
took the train. It was empty, you know, and it
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goes past Wrigleyville. I think one of the things that's
cool about the baseball playoffs. You got small market Milwaukee,
I think's the best team in the sport. I mean
they what do they go six and zero against the
Dodgers or something. This year you go big market New
York and Los Angeles that can't get people out late
in games and their Yankees are uneven. The Dodgers just
have a bad bullpen. San Diego has stars but has
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to win by sacrificing and moving runners and old school baseball.
And then you've got the Jays and the Brewers are
lead the league in singles. Hey, Yankees Dodgers are home runs.
Home runs cost a lot more than singles hitters. But
there's so many different ways to win, in so many
compelling stories, and I got to give it. I got
to give credit to baseball, the bigger bases, defensive shift,
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universal DH, speed, the game up, Rob Manfred. Finally we
got a baseball commissioner who pushed back on traditionalists and
that there's a way to play the game. Baseball is fast,
it's fun, there's drama, there's action, small markets, big markets.
This is a really good time for baseball. The games
move really quickly, and yesterday was a great day. All right.
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Week five of the NFL. Mark stantez as Owas brings tape.
He'll join us last hour, hour three
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, Wednesday, Hour two, All fired Up Joe
Klatten five minutes. So Podres can still beat the Cubs
played yesterday. Cubs win Game one. Podres have to play
a certain way. Outside of Manny Machado and Tatoos, they
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don't have any home run. Cubs have six guys who
can hit over twenty hit over twenty home runs. So
the bottom line is, there is a way the Podreys
have to play. It's got to be moving runners. They
led baseball in sacrifices. That's what they do. They win three, two,
four to three. Occasionally Machado stands up or tat teeth.
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They don't hit home runs, but they lead baseball and
sacrifice hits. And they have a great bullpen. So but
that bullpen's much more effective when you lead in the
eighth inning of ninth inning. And so yesterday I'm watching
this series, I'm like, oh, Podreys can win this series,
but they don't. They don't have the margins. They have
to win a certain way, and they couldn't get the hits.
Their best three hitters went oh for eleven and the
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Cubs only had six hits, but two were jacks, and
that's really the difference here. There's stylistically, San Diego only
got one hit with runners in scoring position. They had
seven opportunities, but they couldn't get the hits. So they
just don't have very wide margins. They have to hit
with runners in scoring position. They got to get base knocks.
That's what they do, because they're not getting they're not
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getting three and four run innings on the deep ball.
So the reality of this series is the games. I
think the games will be really close. But yesterday is
kind of how the Podreys are built to play. Move
runners over, keep the score low, get a lead, sixth inning,
go to the bullpen. Mike Shilt is the manager. Here
(02:21):
his thoughts on rebounding in Game two.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
We know where's you know what we're looking at?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So, I mean, you know, we got to take care
of business tomorrow to set ourselves so up to take
care of business on Thursday, and we expect to do that.
And in our clubhouse right now, it's disappointed. But nobody's hit,
nobody's hanging their head. You know, this is a good
club that knows what they're capable of doing and is
eager to show up to go compete tomorrow. Do you
want to get the ball and we'll take it from there.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
The Yankees loss is different, but somewhat similar is that
they have a way to win two. It's the opposite
of the podreis. They don't sacrifice. It's all power. Having
more money doesn't mean you don't have problems, problems, it's
just different problems. The Yankees don't do a ton well,
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especially with Garrett Cole injured early in the season. Out
the bullpen's not very good. They don't sacrifice, you know,
runners in scoring position, we need a single. That's not
what the Yankees do. They're the opposite of the Podres.
It's all power, and I mean, when's the last time
the Yankees overachieved. That's a fair I mean. Brian Cashman
twenty eight years, Randy Levine twenty five years, Aaron Rodgers,
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Aaron Rodgers Aaron Boone, eight years. They're they're really patient.
I respect that. But the Kansas City Royals, low revenue,
low payroll, Tampa are getting to the World Series as
often in the last fifteen years, twenty years. So Yankee
fans have had enough. I mean yesterday is a prime
example of the Yankees. They struck out thirteen times. Well,
of course they did. They're the Yankees. They strike out
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a lot. So I said that last segment. I mean,
the Angels and the Rockies strike out more. The Rockies
have more home runs than the Podreys. Rockies won forty
three games, and the Yankees strikeout at the Colorado Rockies
pace a team that won forty three games. So the
Potterys and Yankees are the opposite that I think they've got.
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They have a certain way they have to play, and
the Yankees have to get home runs in high leverage spots.
And you go to the ninth inning and here comes
Otter Milnour eraldis Chapman, and good luck, that's uh good luck.
Here's Aaron Boone.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I thought we had, you know, a lot of really
good to bats against him. I thought caba Eros at
bat the inning before was really good you know, obviously
Goldie getting us, Golling, Judgie smoking the ball, belly doing
his thing. And then I thought, gee, you know, g
didn't get any results tonight, but I thought, I thought
he had a lot of good swings, a lot of
just misses, and you know they got us tonight.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That that's not going to play well in uh sports
talk radio in New York. But they're they're I mean,
Milwaukee is the most complete team in baseball. I think
that's inarguable. Dodgers' bullpen yank yikes, Yankee strikeouts, bullpen yikes.
Cincinnati doesn't you know, they don't have They're gonna get
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overwhelmed by the Dodgers. Padres can't get any big innings
off the deep ball. So Cubs pretty complete, Brewers really commplete,
Mariners pretty complete. But it's a wild playoff. You have
low payroll, small market, big market. Yesterday was great with that.
Joel Klatt joining US live the voice of college football
(05:33):
at Fox. He's got Wisconsin at Michigan Saturday, so I'm watching.
We went into a season there were quarterbacks we all
like Drew Aller, Kate Kludnik, we all were like, Okay,
these guys are really good. And I had said the
interesting guy about two weeks ago, I said, Dante More
throws the ball at a pro quarterback, and he's got movement.
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His ability to go to Penn State with that crowd
and to be stoic and unbothered and have that temperament
like it was a little jaw dropping. And Tod juxtapose
him next to Aller, who doesn't have the feel to me,
doesn't have the feel for the game that Dante Moore does.
It just feels like Dante Moore. He just some guys
just it's just kind of innate. They just got a
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feel for it. I don't know. I watched him and
I said yesterday, if I had a number one pick,
I think I'd picked Dante Moore. I found that. I
think he's that good, is he not? I think at
this point he would be one of my favorites for
the Heisman Trophy, you know, And I do think he's
that good. And you know, you just describe it as
stoic and unbothered. I would say calm. He was calm.
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He was calm in the pocket was his face was calm,
And it didn't matter the situation, It didn't matter if
it was the first snap of the game, they're dealing
with the crowd, noise, all those fourth downs that they
would go for. Where he was carrying the football, didn't
matter if he got hit, if he was having to
leave the pocket to make throws, make throws from the pocket,
if he was having to drive the football, throw with
touch across his body. He did all of it. And
(06:59):
by the way, probably the best play that he made
was that one that you're showing right now, where you
know it's in double overtime and maybe the best defender
in college football or edge rusher in college football that
I did. A sudden is bearing down on him unblocked,
and he calmly just protects the football, scoops it under him,
steps up in the pocket, leaks out towards his right
and delivers a dirt. I mean, his ability to make
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plays is fantastic, but it's more than that, and you're
touching on it. It's this calm nature that he has,
and I think that that's born through preparation and ability.
He's got great confidence in himself everything around him. When
I talk with Will Stein, their offensive coordinator, you know,
he tells me that Dante prepares as well or better
than anybody he's ever been around, and he was around
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Teddy Bridgewater, who was historically one of the great preparers
in college football at Louisville. So I think that the
sky's the limit for Dante Moore, not only in college
football here at Oregon in this season, but ultimately, you know,
in the National Football League. So I've defended James Franklin. Yes,
he's losing. I defended for years Ryan Day. I'm like,
he's losing to Harbonughn Michigan in Georgia. Give me a break,
(08:05):
James Franklin's losing to the right. People that said that
felt like a game you have to win, ye home
or Dante mord never played it in front of that
crowd you have mostly even players you're at home. That
one felt like, Okay, I've defended James. You got to
win that game, don't you. I would agree with you,
(08:27):
and I've done the same thing, you know. So I
bring up this stat last week they were in the
regular season over their last fourteen and top ten matchups
going back to twenty sixteen. We talked about that, but
this one was the first time that they were both
the higher ranked and the favored team. So like you're saying,
in a lot of those matchups, they're eighteenth in the
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country going to number two Ohio State, and it's like, listen,
you're probably not going to win that game. So I
think the narrative is a little bit overblown, although it
is factual, and this is one that you sit in
the bucket where you've got to win this game. Oregon's
in largely a rebuild. Here's what's scary for the Big
Ten is that that's a rebuilt team, transfer portal and
young players everywhere, true freshmen back Dariel d err Hill,
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two freshmen at corner, one red shirt, one true like
I said, rebuilt offensive line, through the transfer portal of
quarterback that's making his first starts as a duck and
in particular in an environment like that. Meanwhile, Penn State
has all of these experienced players back, including Drew Aller
their quarterback, and they can't win the football game. And
that's the alarming part for Penn State. And so this
(09:30):
is what I would say for Penn State is that
you've got to have a clear eyed evaluation. You've got
to have some competitive integrity and evaluate yourself honestly, what
is going wrong in these moments, and I think that
you've got to come down to two conclusions, Colin. Number
one is this offensive system that they're trying to run
is not a fit for Drew Aller, And unless you're
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going to change the quarterback, you better change the offensive
system or at least how you go about philosophically. He
is not an RPO quarterback that wants to be a
point guard, fast hands, fast feed type of guy, and
yet that's the offense that they try to run. I
think they need to take a page out of what
Ohio State did a year ago, which they went and
lost to Oregon in the regular season in Eugene, and
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they changed their defense because of it. Why did they
do that, Because of the players and the players skill set.
They wanted to get Caleb Downs more involved in the action,
and so they changed the structure of their defense to
better suit the players that they had. Well, they need
to change the structure of the offense at Penn State
to better suit their quarterback. And then the last thing
would be game management. You know, I thought at the
end of the half, they did a poor job of
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leaving time for Oregon, and Oregon got an extra possession
out of that, and then those types of games, you've
got to do everything perfect. So James needs to be
better at game management. And then I think that they
need to take a hard look in the mirror at
exactly what they're trying to do offensively and what Drew
Aler can do, and they need to marry the two together. Okay,
I don't think anybody is going to beat to Ohio
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State because I think they're going to struggle to score.
Last year, I felt like Ohio State, between the receiving corps,
the quarterback play stud running backs were both doing well
in the NFL. I thought they just had too much
offensive firepower, as Oregon found out the first game and
the second the second when Oregon couldn't keep up offensively.
I look at this defense for Ohio State. Now, I
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look at the defense and I'm like to go to
Seattle Jedfish. They got Washington's got some offensive pieces they
don't have Ohio State. They just they made all the
big plays. I think it's a different version. And by
the way, last year they had Chip Kelly, so over
the course of a season, that offense got smarter, it
got more efficient, it it grew and grew and grew,
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and at the end it was a train. This is
Matt Patricia and Okay, now all of a sudden you
start looking at it and you're like, oh, arch Manning
couldn't figure it out. Oh Jed Fish and Washington couldn't
figure it out. Okay, this is powerhouse personnel, great offensive coach.
I think Ohio State looks like a team that's going
to play for the national championship. You you know, you
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remember watching Usain Bolt run the hundred. Yeah, and he
was the fastest, but it looked like he was running
the easiest. Remember that, And like everybody else is like,
you know, like this and he's just kind of gliding
through the line looking back at people. That's what Ohio
State feels like to me right now, because they haven't
even gotten into fourth gear offensively, like they haven't needed it.
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They've played very conservative football and relied on their defense.
And here's what's interesting, And Colin, I don't disagree with
your premise, although I would just say I think that's
selling last year's team just a little bit short. That
was the number one defense in college football a year ago,
the number one defense, and they're better this year that's
the scary although it's different this year. It's different because
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of the speed and athleticism that they have, in particular
at the second level. Two guys that I want to
point out Sunny Styles, which is an experienced linebacker that
moved from safety a couple of years ago. He's a
terrific player. And then this new starter that they have,
Rvel Reese. We should hear scouts talk about Rvel Reeves.
This guy is a game wrecker at the linebacker position,
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and they're so long and fast that opposing offenses can't
do anything against them. That's why Demand Williams, who's a
really terrific running quarterback dual threat, he couldn't get loose
because these guys were spying him. Oh hey, by the way,
the best defender in the sport is behind those guys
and Caleb Downs. So it provides an opportunity for a
young defensive line to continue to develop, which they are.
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Cayden Curry had three sacks last week, and that's what
makes them such a dangerous team and why the offense
has just been gliding along second gear, third gear. We
haven't even seen the best from Julian Sane and Jeremiah Smith,
and they're just developing themselves into a team. And that's
what worries me for the rest of college football is
the team that looks like they're running the easiest is
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actually running the fastest right now. So I went to
the USC game and my takeaway people were banging on
Lincoln Riley because they scored too fast in the end.
And my takeaway is, when you're on the road with
twenty year old kids and you can score a touchdown,
score a touchdown. Their offensive line was this in their lead.
I would disagree with that. I would disagree with that.
I think they should have played around and gotten cute. Well, no,
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they didn't need to play around and get cute. They
just needed to keep the integrity of the drive that
they were on. So they got the ball down six,
so they're down fourteen. They go down and score and
go for two. Okay, great, all right, the analytics tell
them to go for two. They get it. So now
they're down six and an extra point is going to
win the game if they can put the ball in
the end zone. And I will give you this. You
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have to score, and I understand that, and you'll take
a score whenever you get it. However, the drive as
it was constructed, the philosophy of that drive. They got
the ball with around four minutes to go, and they
wanted to make it the last drive. That's how they executed.
That was the philosophy of the drive, the integrity of
the drive up until the point where they're just inside
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of the red zone and now there's just inside of
two minutes. They have bled all of that time. They're
running the football, well, they're throwing some screen routes, they're
moving the ball. Illinois still has all three timeouts left.
There's about a minute fifty five and all of a sudden,
on first down, you take a shot to the end
zone like out of the blue. No, no, no, you keep
the integrity of the drive. That doesn't mean that you're
messing around. It doesn't mean that you're trying to drain
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the clock. It just means that you're in the philosophy
of how you're moving the football. If they hand the
football off once, great, twice, even better, you're draining the timeouts.
You're draining the clock, and then you can still get
a first down in that moment, which would have been
just inside of the six yard line and you can
still score. So my criticism was just that at first
down was not the time to take a shot. If
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you want to take a shot on third down right there,
you know, I would be fine with that. But again,
stay in the integrity of the philosophy that you had
from the beginning of the drive. Yeah, Jmac texted me
after the touchdown, he goes good win for USC, and
I said, Illinois has a great kicker. They scored way
too fast, and their defense looks fatigue. They can't get
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a pass rush.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I turned to Gus right after the touch and I said,
Illinois wins. Right after the USC touchdown, as soon as
that they took a shot and he caught that ball.
Brett Bielima must have been thrilled on the sideline. I
know that sounds wild, it does. I get it. I understand,
but Illinois had been moving the ball all day long.
(16:18):
The only thing that stopped him were fumbles at the
goal line, and they got a great kicker. They were
winning the game. So when everybody banged on harball for years,
Joel Clatt and myself are like, you think he can't
coach settle down. Take a deep breath. A lot of
the flame throwers that other networks went crazy. You and
I didn't. When people wanted Ryan Day fired. You and
I were like, hey, he's losing to Harbaugh, who's been
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to Super Bowls. He's losing to Georgia. Ryan Day's a
really good coach and he won a Natty so Calon
de Boor I said this when Bama hired him, Greg Byrne.
I said he could have hired Dan Lanning Southern Ties.
He could have gone after Debo Southern Ties. There were
a lot of people he could have hired. And Greg
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Burn goes, no, I'm gonna go West and I'm gonna
get that Washington guy. And I thought, despite being a
great coach, you know, the SEC has gobbled up a
lot of good coaches. And I thought it was kind
of a gutty higher. You know, Dabo could have been
there if you threw a ton at him and other guys.
Dan Lanning has that Southern background. When he was beaten
Georgia and out coaching Kirby Smart, My take was, why
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are you doubting Ryan Day, Jim harbaughd Kalin de Boor?
Do you not think they can ca? I thought his
first half game plan was unbelievable. Yeah, it was incredible.
It was incredible. I loved their answer. That team looks
far different than the team that lost to Florida State.
I mean not even the same team at all. The
effort level was different, The offensive line play in terms
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of protecting the quarterback was much different. And that's actually
the main point is that if they can protect ty Simpson,
he's an extraordinary quarterback. And they've got great weapons on
the outside with Williams and Bernard, so they can throw
the football and de Boor and Ryan Grubb. Remember Ryan
Grubb was not there last year. He was the offensive
coordinator for the Seahawks after they were together in Washington.
Now Grub is back with him, and when they have
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the right fit at quarterback, it's really beautiful. They had
that with Michael Pinnox at Washington. Now they have it
with ty Simpson at Alabama. So they can throw the
football as well as anybody in the country. My worry
for Alabama though, is that there's still some glaring holes
right now with the way that they play. They gave
up two hundred yard rushing to Georgia. They gave up
two hundred yards rushing to Florida State, and they don't
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run the football very well, so Ty Simpson basically has
to have a cape on his back. The game plan
has to be perfect for them to go win. That
makes me nervous in what I think is a balanced league.
I don't think the SEC is a great league this
year with a great team, but it's balanced and it's
going to be a lot of one score games. They
might be in a one score game this week at
home against Vanderbilt with Diego Pavia. And if you all
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of a sudden have an off day throw in the
football or your offensive line is not protecting well that day,
you're finished. You're done. And so that's what makes me
worried about Alabama is it's not the Alabama that we're
used to. Everything you said about Kaitlyn de Bor I
agree with he's a great coach, there's no doubt. But
this this seems to be I don't want to say
a one trick pony, but there is one clearly excellent
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part of this team and several average areas of this team,
and that would worry me going forward. Yeah, listen, let's
be honest about college football now. It is not just
Georgia Bama Clemson. Right, Really, it's very very even because
and what happened about four years ago in the transfer
portal is it used to be Bama Georgia and if
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oh left tackle goes down, well we got a five
star guy behind him. Yeah, they stop file talent. That
guy now goes to Louisville or Texas Tech, or he
gets purchased. So Alabama and Georgia don't have the depth,
the dominance depth. They have really good players, but if
a running back gets hurt, the second running back is
not an NFL player. Sometimes when I'm watching Georgia, I'm like,
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they're just not as fast, they're not as dominating. And
by by the way, Bama's got good players, but they
have holes under Saban You're like their third corner was unbelievable.
So that the transfer portal and nil has made this
sport very even. Yeah, and by the way, how about
all the people that lament those two things. And I
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get it it's frustrating, But just because something's frustrating doesn't
mean that it's bad, Okay. And what we've seen in
college football is a transformation of the sport where now
ten twelve, thirteen teams I think could possibly win the
national championship. Now is it totally likely. I don't know
if it's totally likely. But prior to this, Colin and
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you and I used to talk about this, there were
like three maybe that would win the national championship or
could win the national championship. To watch the SEC and
it looks so much faster than the Big Ten, and
now that's done. Now that's not. In fact, I'd say
the three best teams that I've seen so far probably
Ohio State, Penn State, and Oregon, maybe Miami Mix. And
they're like, you can't even get to an SEC team
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in the kind of the top four. I know people
are popping up and mine maybe do this with A
and M and maybe Texas or Georgia or Alabama. But
the elite teams in college football no longer rest in
the SEC. The top of the sport now rest in
the Big Ten. And it's it's just true. Thank god,
you and I aren't just out here for clicks. We're
giving nuance. That's right. It was great to see you Saturday,
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by the way, it was you know what I was.
Somebody said, do you want to go see Gus and
Joel Klatt and I said, you know what, professionals don't
want to get in the way of the production. And
I did the pregame show, and I said, with the
barstool guys, and I said, that's fun. I'll go downstairs
and you know, do that stuff. But a couple pros
up there, I didn't want to get in the way.
That's right, that's right, sacred ground up there in the booths.
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We don't just let anybody in. That's right, that's right.
I didn't have the passes. I wasn't equipped with the
accurate passes that get you in. Joel Klatt Boyce college football,
Mark Sanchez Next hour has got all sorts of great stuff,
and Jmac this town. Yesterday I took the train home.
There's nobody on it. Cubs game.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Hey, listen, La is rolling out the red carpet for you.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
I'm trying to get dust Dodgers tickets for the next
round so you and I can hang a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
You know, I know you.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I know people in New York think New York is
the best baseball city. The Dodgers outdraw both last time
I checked, the Dodgers drew like seven thousand more a
game than New York, the Yankees, and remember Dodger stadiums
not easy to get in and out of. Basically, I'm
not I'm saying it's a great state. It's one of
the oldest stadiums, so they're not selling new cool stuff.
(22:39):
It's an old stadium. It is hard to get into.
Traffic in LA stinks, and they are listening. I always
thought it was a Laker town, and then you moved
to Los Angeles. It's a Dodger town.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
I would slightly say Dodgers over Lakers.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yes, yes, yeah, it's And then the other thing is
they on the division to get It's so funny. Everybody's
lamenting the Dodgers. Oh my, get what do they win
ninety three games? If they would have blown just half
the saves? Yeah, just think about this, thirteen saves, they
would have won one hundred and six games. What's seven? No, Yeah,
I'm bad with math.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
It's a little early for math. Yes, yes, it is, folks.
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Speaker 1 (24:02):
You were busy last night, or you went to bed
in the midwest of the East Coast and you did
not see Shoho Tani's sixth inning second home run. Here
it is M five seventy in La on a one
to one.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Otani HiT's a towering ball deep rightfield. He flips the
bad bad watches it fly three quarters of the way
up the pavilions. Just a minimouth blast for his second
home run, and the Dodgers are pouring it on in
Game one.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I remember a couple of years ago and I said,
he's better than Babe Ruth. Whoa, folks, he is so
much better than Babe Ruth. Steals ace power average. I mean,
there's just nothing like him. I remember when Michael Jordan
was in the league and I can remember watching it
on the couch with a friend against the Phoenix Suns
(25:01):
in the finals, and I'm thinking, Barkley maybe the second
best player in the game, and Barkley had a great
series and Barkley wasn't close. Like that's what I feel like,
Like Gretzky, it sounds ridiculous to argue Gretzky's not the
best hockey player of all time, Like it's just ridiculous.
And it's like Otawani is notches above Freddie Freeman and
(25:23):
Mookie Bepps. Who are you know, Hall of Fame level players.
He's just an all timer and we all got to
watch him. Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No news, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
You know who else we get to watch? It's the
superstar mister George Pickens.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
How about that game on Sunday Night football Colin against
the Packers. I mean, he was phenomenal, two touchdowns and listen,
I'm not calling.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Him a superstar. Jerry Jones is are you ready for this?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Listen to what Jerry Jones said about acquiring Pickens and
his potential future.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
An exemplary teammate, he is exemplary in his work preparation.
I'm proud to tell you that we've got some outstanding
structure in our cap space that will allow us to
do a lot of things that I didn't think when
we finished this time last year that we might have
the room to do some of these things we're talking
(26:22):
about doing. We paid a prize for it. We had
to not sign some players that we might have thought
we should, our fans might have thought ought to be signed.
On the other hand, we can do it now.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
So if you couldn't clearly hear that through that Texas
drawl or the Southern drawl, I'll say he essentially was saying, Hey,
if we had signed Michael, we couldn't get Pickens.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
But now we didn't sign Micah, so we could afford Pickens.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
That's right, And I said, he's going to be paid Pickens.
Green Bay is going to win this trade, just like
just like the Heat did when they got shocked. When
the Lakers had to make a choice, they knew that
Kobe long term, better shape order, practice player, more committed.
But they knew for the first couple of years because
Shaq was going to a very good, ready to win
a title team. They were going to have to eat
(27:08):
a dirt sandwich in the trade and get crushed. But
the Lakers were right. This is one of those where
Dallas is right doing this, but they're going to get
crushed because Green Bay's really good. They now have four
first round picks in the next two years and do
not need a quarterback, do you? Everybody like Cleveland has two,
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they need a quarterback. Rams have two. They'll draft a
quarterback to have two first round picks. That means, let's
say the Cowboys have the number eight draft spot. Somebody's
going to go up and off from a third and
a fourth or a third and a fifth and they
can go okay, and then they can do that again
when they move back to twelve, and they can do
it again. Dallas could literally get six picks with one
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of their first round picks. Because if you go into
a draft next year. I wrote it down the other
day the teams that need a quarterback next year, and
I wrote down eight teams. Now I'm counting the Rams
who don't need one today but they will in a
couple of years. And Arizona, I think would consider if
the right one fell to them. So I counted those two.
You start doing Jets and Cleveland. I didn't count the
Giants Jackson Dart. I think they'll go with him. I
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started counting teams once again. Six teams, maybe eight could
put themselves in a position to draft a quarterback. And
the Cowboys are gonna have a top ten pick, and
maybe one of the only teams. Go look at the
standings right now, one of the only teams that'll be
a top ten pick that doesn't need a quarterback is Dallas.
This is gonna work out so well for them. So
(28:35):
time out, you had me and lost me. Okay, So
a couple things. First of all, on this quarterback thing,
we talk about Glass Joe Burrow.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Okay, I look at the last five seasons of Dak Prescott.
He's been missing a lot of games with injuries. So
and he's older than Burrow, He's thirty two, So kNN,
I don't know that he's The Cowboys don't need a quarterback.
They got to think about a backup at some point.
That being said, this idea that becoming the Cincinnati Bengals
is a good thing. They're essentially Higgins Chase and Burrow.
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That's what they will be that Cowboys inoffs.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
The Cowboys have better personnel than Cincinnati, and Burrow has
been hurt multiple times, and Cincinnati's got infrastructure issues, a
tiny scouting department.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
Dallas's defense cannot stop anybody Dallas.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Dallas is a franchise that consistently, when they have it,
will spend money. Spend it on DAK, spend it on CD,
spending on Tyron Smith, spending on Zach Martin. They keep
their stars. Here's one they didn't because they got trapped
the last two years. They had no flexibility. They couldn't
even spend eight million dollars on Derreck Henry. So Jerry's like,
(29:43):
I'm a dealmaker. I can't make any deals and so
I do not consider, if it's a word, the frugality
of Cincinnati in Dallas. When Dallas has stars, they pay him,
and they often pay him early, not all the time,
but they have Jalen Smith's a linebacker they shouldn't have
paid and they Cincinnati never does that.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
One final note, we know Pickens is in college he
had some issues and in Pittsburgh, Colin You remember when
Mark Sanchez off Air told us when he was with
the Jets, there was a receiver who was a bit of.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
A problem, who was playing his butt off for a contract.
The second he.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Got it, he starts showing up late was an issue.
I'm not gonna say the receiver's name. Jets fans know
who I'm talking about, Colin that there is that risk
with Pickens. We know he's playing for a contract, he
has had issues in the.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Pennot he is a high risk, high reward play.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not paying. Some players are leases,
some some relationships are dating. Pickens has been great this year.
But at wide receiver, Ceedee Lamb's a star. I'll go
draft other wide receivers.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Okay, all right, let's.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Move on to the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin, Now this is
interesting Tush push. Eagles faced the Broncos this week. Numbers
coming down, by the way. Sean Payton was asked about
the quote unquote controversial Tush Push.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 9 (30:57):
I was one that stood up in favor of the
reason I stood up in favor of is It's pretty simple.
If the powers to be don't want it for aesthetic
reasons or competitive reasons, you know, or it's hard to officiate,
et cetera. But I've been involved in those meetings for
a long time, and when all of a sudden health
(31:19):
and safety was pulled into that which might be the
safest playing football, my bull nose kind of went up.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Are you reading anything?
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Is this gamesmanship on his part ahead of the toot bush?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
No?
Speaker 7 (31:37):
So, by the way, Philly had that wrinkle with the
Saquon Barkley handoff out of the toot bush, and they
had a couple of Dallas Goddard little shovel passes. Listen,
they're being really smart with this. That being said, Colin,
very interesting game. This was four and a half. It's
down to three and a half. We're waiting on word
on Jalen Carter.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
M r dude.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I already tell about it yesterday on a Tuesday, and
I had Denver plus the point oh man, okay, I
was the headlines crew was already asked for Friday's picks.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
This game was will be involved on Friday.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Final STORYCM, Let's go to the Seattle Seahawks, your team.
I kind of scoffed at you when you said they
were in the Super Bowl bubble. Hey man, they host
Baker Mayfield in week five. Now, interesting issue here is
the Mariners are hosting the Divisional Round at T Mobile
Park across the street from Womenfield. The NFL game could
be delayed one to two hours, and Mike McDonald addressed
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that situation Monday.
Speaker 10 (32:41):
From from what I understand, it's not that big of
a move, so we would just adjust our morning schedule accordingly, Reuly,
no big deal. It's actually it's actually kind of great
that we're going to be forced to move. I think
that's uh, it's awesome for our city and it's gonna
be a really exciting Sunday.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You know what they call Seattle Winnersville, nothing but winter?
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Did you just make that up?
Speaker 7 (33:03):
So it's interesting because the four pm slate has some
good games on Sunday four pm for the East Coast.
Obviously Tampa, Seattle's good, Tennessee, Arizona's a dud, but Jaden
Daniel's returning versus the Chargers. One of us here might
be at that game, and then Lions Bengals Jake Brown
and getting smashed by the Lions will be fun. I'm
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embarrassed that I was scoffing at you for liking Seattle
in the preseason Colin. Sometimes you know, the squirrel gets
a nut every once in a while, and I think
you're onto something. I like Seattle against Baker this weekend.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
So on, boy, I'm gonna beat Insufferable. I'm gonna be
insufferable if Darnold wins that puppy.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
And the Mariners get to the world too, that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I have Brewers beating the Mariners in.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Six Yankees are going They're fine, all right.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Apparently we have a bizarro Shador Sanders update.
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Speaker 7 (34:12):
Noon is back in ann Arbor in Michigan's own El
Presidente is leading the charge.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
The pregame party starts at ten am Eastern.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Then it's QB, Bryce Underwood and the Wolverine's going head
to head with Wisconsin at noon Big Noon Saturday only
on SOX.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Okay, so, uh this is I just got this footage,
so before we run it, uh, let me set it up.
It'll be tough for the radio audience to understand this
or de cipher it. This is kind of for TV,
but you know, I got to show the video. Dylan
Gabriel is going to start for the Browns a quarterback,
(34:50):
but Flacco is being benched but still remains number two,
Schnor Sanders. Even if Dylan Gabriel falters, they'll just bring
Flacco back in. So Shadur is now three and so
he was asked multiple questions by the Cleveland media today.
(35:11):
He had a smile. I've said before he seemed like
a nice kid. He had a smile. I don't think
he's always the most mature, but he smiled. But he
mouthed the words without actually speaking. It is odd. So
here's what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Locally.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Cast A third question, how much?
Speaker 7 (35:47):
How much has Joe been important to both of you
and Dylan in terms of your guys like development to.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
This point, from prime to I'm to mine time. Apparently
that's a legendary response. So, uh, it's something I don't
know what to make of it. You know, I got
gray hair, he's in his early twelve. I don't want
(36:14):
to pick on people.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute. What just happened. I've
never seen that in my life. I don't even know
was he is he doing a skit? Like what?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
He's got a mother and a father. I wish them
the best. I mean, we haven't hard enough on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
You know, do we have a lip reader on staff?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Like?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
What's he saying?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
You know what? He's smiling?
Speaker 6 (36:36):
But what is he This is? This is the NFL.
You're a professional athlete.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
This is this is not like Juco where you could
joke around with this stuff.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
What is he saying?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Well, he's mouthing it, He's not saying it. I think
the point is he doesn't want to be quoted, maybe
by newspaper people, so he's mouth he's mouthing it without
saying okay, Colin it on TV.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I know, we're in the communication business, he's in the
football playing business. So I think he's just I you
know what I mean, Like, I don't want to pick
on him. I don't even understand what he's doing.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
But whatever he's doing is going to be a big
story today. It's like Wednesday. It's not a lot happening
in the NFL. This is going to be everywhere he's
going to get three million views on Instagram, Twitter, all
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Again, the NFL doesn't care about influencers, Thank god Instagram does.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
So.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I don't know. It's it is what it is. It's listen.
I covered this story like crazy, I literally during the
summer because I was so interested in it. And I've
said this before. The audience drives the bus. I don't
what you're interested. And I talked about so I was
fascinated by because I thought he was a good quarterback.
He dropped to the fifth round, he tore it up
in OTA's and he literally was like they had him
for strength. So I would go every day and just say,
(37:49):
is this thing hitting? Is it tracking? And it was.
Everybody else was fascinated. Now it's more like sad, weird,
Odd and I and that, like the JJ McCarthy situation,
similarly to me, is getting to a point where I
didn't buy into him. I said it, I stated it.
I always want to stay in my opinion on JJ McCarthy.
I'm like, I buy Caleb, I buy Drake, I buy Nicks,
I buy Pennix. I thought it was a great quarterback
(38:10):
draft class. The one guy I pushed back home was
JJ McCarthy. I think I've been proven right, but it
will get to some point. If it's a confidence above
the shoulder issue with JJ McCarthy, then I don't feel
comfortable talking about it. This thing's getting odd and weird.
It's gone from compelling to like crazy, whatever that is.
I don't know. I feel it's just not working, you know,
(38:31):
and maybe it works somewhere else, But I believe it
or not, I don't wake up in the morning like
I used to never criticize college kids, and now they
get paid. They're professionals. Okay, you're like, if you come
intern for Fox and we pay you, I'm gonna yell
at you. If you're an unpaid intern, I'm not going to.
But if you got paid as an intern and you
screwed up, i'd bark at you. You're a professional. That's
(38:52):
how I view it. So I never like to criticize
college kids. Now you've got quarterbacks making more than offensive coordinators.
It's a different ballgame. So he's a professional athlete. I'm
gonna I'm gonna criticize professional athletes. But there does come
a point when it's like it pivots to compelling to sad. Sad,
and I just don't feel like I just don't feel
(39:12):
like I want to be part of that. Well, here's
the thing.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
Somebody had to tell him, Hey, hey, why don't you
try this. You could screw with the media and it
would be funny like that. That's terrible advice.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Well whatever, but that maybe that's it. You know, this
is the last time I'm gonna run it. Yeah, he's
got a smile on his face. He's joking. You know,
he is very he is. I said when he came
into the league, I said one of the things I
didn't love about him he was kind of silly. I
think he's a nice kid. He grew up with some money, comfortable.
He's a little bit silly for my taste. I didn't
like Drew Locke. I thought he was silly. I wasn't
I thought Cam was distracted. And I've said this before.
(39:44):
Jameis Wins a little silly, Jameis Winston, Baker, Mayfield, you know,
Johnny Manzel, that's me.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
Sure is the word.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I'm always pushed back. I think maturity matters a lot.
I pushed back on Johnny, I pushed back on Baker,
I pushed back on Jamish and I thought he but
I just thought he was. He threw an accurate football
and moved well.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
But you know what, is it possible he lost his
voice and he could that's.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
A great Yes, maybe there's a cold going around Cleveland. Yeah, okay, well,
I mean he couldn't audible, so I mean he couldn't
play anyone. It's crazy. God, yesterday was fun with all
the baseball playoffs. It was really fun in Chicago. I
took the train. It was empty, you know, and it
(40:31):
goes past Wrigleyville. I think one of the things that's
cool about the baseball playoffs. You got small market Milwaukee,
I think's the best team in the sport. I mean
they what do they go six and zero against the
Dodgers or something. This year you go big market New
York and Los Angeles that can't get people out late
in games and their Yankees are uneven. The Dodgers just
have a bad bullpen. San Diego has stars but has
(40:54):
to win by sacrificing and moving runners and old school baseball.
And then you've got the Jays and the Brewers are
lead the league in singles. Hey, Yankees Dodgers are home runs.
Home runs cost a lot more than singles hitters. But
there's so many different ways to win, in so many
compelling stories, and I got to give it. I got
to give credit to baseball, the bigger bases, defensive shift,
(41:18):
universal DH, speed, the game up, Rob Manfred. Finally we
got a baseball commissioner who pushed back on traditionalists and
that there's a way to play the game. Baseball is fast,
it's fun, there's drama, there's action, small markets, big markets.
This is a really good time for baseball. The games
move really quickly, and yesterday was a great day. All right.
(41:44):
Week five of the NFL. Mark stantez as Owas brings tape.
He'll join us last hour, hour three
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