October 7, 2025 • 32 mins
Alex Rodriguez joins The Herd to talk about the Aaron Judge and the Yankees, if the Mariners have a chance to win it all, the Dodgers game 2 win over the Phillies, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hi, welcome back. Twenty two years, three MVPs fourteen time
All Star and you're always been good to our show
whenever you're around, and you're probably doing some business. You
told me ten years ago you love business, and it's
all worked out for you. See, you've always been very sharp.
You've got your own analytic mind in business, and you
and I are Aaron boon apologists. So my take is,
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first of all, I do believe because of the length
of a season, you have to be a players manager.
This is not football where you can be dogmatic and
cut guys, and you've got to get along with players.
Dave Roberts Aaron Booner players guys, but he doesn't set
the lineup. He gets all the heat and the truth
is in this series they're just not getting outs. I mean,
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your take on Aaron Boone and the relentless, NonStop criticism
he gets.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, I mean, you know, you and I met years
ago at the King Though back in Seattle. And even
a guy like Lou Panella, who's more cut out of
you know, Bill Belichick or Nick Saban, you know, very hard.
I love them like a dad, and he was a
great teacher. I don't know that works in today's game.
The reason why I like Aaron Boone so much is
it's a no win situation for him upstairs and make
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the lineup.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
If it works, they get the credit. And if you lose,
Boone's in the hot seat.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So I rather see after the games, you know, Mike
Fish Cashman, the analytics explaining why they're making the moves, why.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
They have three lieutenant catchers.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So I think Boone is you know, I mean they
got just just destroyed up there in Toronto the first
two games, and I don't think anyone could have won
those games as a manager.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, yeah, when you go to a deciding game in
the playoffs, game one, you can't win. I mean the
Cubs found this in Milwaukee. When you go to these
deciding games and you you know, sometimes you empty the bullpen.
So Aaron Judge is in a world that you lived in.
It's Aaron's hitting in the series. It's not about that.
In New York, he's got to have a three run
bomb of the eighth. And I do think it's different
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in New York. I said this last week, even compared
to Dodger Stadium, which is a jewel, the pressure in
New York, the talk radio in New York, the intensity
of New York people are a little ruder. Fans are
a little more gruff and blunt. Do you feel he
hasn't had the moment in the postseason? You were there,
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You know the pressure. Do you think it weighs on him?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Of course it weighs on him. And I don't think
Aaron's going to admit that. I didn't admit that when
I struggled. But in New York it compounds at.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
A much higher rate.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Right If you struggle in Milwaukee or secondary market, it compounds,
but it doesn't compound in the rate of the snowball
of New York, which I felt. Now, I think you
said the perfect word. I think one of the most
misleading stats in baseball is people look at stats as the.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
End of all. It's really about moments.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Look at the moments of Yankee history, whether it's seventy
seven Reggie Jackson with the three homers, or Aaron Boone
with the walk off against the Red Sox or mister November.
Do you remember what Regie had in that series, or
Aaron Boone or Jeter? You don't, but you remember those moments.
I think, what Aaron Boone, what Judge needs is a
couple of big moments, and forget about the stats. Go
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one for thirteen if that base is loaded, when he
struck out, if he hits a double or a home run,
your a hero. You're a hero and you're one for thirteen.
So enough with the stats. Get big moments. Help your
team win. You know I have credited the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I've said, listen, the Jets, the Giants, Brooklyn Nets. Now
you're an NBA owner, they've all been chaotic. They're firing
and hiring. The Yankees, Brian Cashman thirty years, They've had
three managers thirty years. They're almost patient to a fault.
George Steinbener created almost like Bill Parcells. He created chaos
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because it created clarity. It's not Aaron's style. That was
Parcells style. That was Billy Martin style with Reggie, do
you think they should be less patient? I mean, would
you shape things up if they get beat in tonight
or in a Game four.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It's a really And by the way, Billy Martin was
Lupenella's teacher, right, So I felt in many ways that
connect this tissue. But it's funny when you see with
the Yankees as you see no turnover with manager in Cashman,
but you see incredible turnover with that roster. Now, if
you go back three years, the only two people standing
are Vopie and Judge, and you have twenty four new players.
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And what I found when you win and you have
teams that have been ultimately very successful, whether it's the
SPURSI in basketball, Belichick and the Patriot and Brady and football.
You look at the Dodgers' core, it takes about four
years to kind of come together and cement. And for me,
there's just too many turnovers. If they lose now, they'll
be a completely different turnover next year and you'll have
Boom coming back and you have Cashman coming back.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
So I just think you need to stick.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Imagine if Soda was there for two or three years
with Judge or four years, they'll win a championship almost guaranteed,
but a one and out it's tough to do.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I want to talk about the Dodgers. I've said this
about the Yankees the last two years. If you watch
the Yankees last year in the World Series, when Garrett
Cole didn't pitch, they looked overmatched athletically by the Dodgers. Now,
the Yankees have always beaten up on the American League Central.
I feel this team is uneven. It's very home run dependent.
They don't sacrifice, they don't play small ball. The bullpens shaky.
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The Dodgers are different. They're not uneven, they just have
a bad bullpen. Inning seven and eight are white knuckle.
They have to go in with a four to five
nothing lead or a five run lead. When you know
the bullpen is your flaw as a player at bats
different do you think differently? Is there more intensity? Dodger
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players all know there is a star studded but last
night they took a four to nothing lead and I'm like,
I think that's enough. Did it change? Do the players know, listen,
we have a bad bully. Did your at bats get
more intense? Do you do you manage differently when you
have that back end that struggles.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
By the way, I think you know Dog Roberts, it's
the unsung hero.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
He's just such a great job with that team.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And it's hard to do, by the way, because there's
a lot of moving parts in La right, there's a
lot of noise, there's a lot of media, big fan base.
But I think the Dodgers are the complete package.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
They're going to beat you one zero or ten to one.
It reminds me of the old nineties Yankees when they
won four titles. Were they going to beat you any way?
You want to play in the trenches pitching one zero,
ten zero, they're going to win. The Dodgers that they've
made three of the most unbelievable plays in the nineteen
y Yesterday unbelievable. The monthly play to Mookie bets like
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it's like a quarterback hitting a wide receive on the
run with no force. He has a tag and then
you go to Freeman goes to his right and throw
the strike to Mookie for a force and then he
picks it a very tough pick to end the game,
where the second basement throws like a little bit of
a jellyfish. Those are the hardest ones because it's a bullet,
you can scoop it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But when is a.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Little soft, like a little dead fish, it's like, Oh,
they're unbelievable. And I don't see anybody stopping.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
The Dodgers yet, Judge, I feel because it's an uneven
roster has pressure. I don't feel that with Otawanni Freddy
Freeman can carry this team. I mean, Mookie Best struggled
in September. I think he has a stomach illius, he
got illness, he got really hot in September. I don't
feel this team even though O Tawni is Babe Ruth,
He's all right, baby Ruth. I don't feel there's pressure
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on him, do you well.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I mean there's always some pressure obviously, and he has
tremendous pressure from his country because he's like the biggest
thing in Japan, right, the greatest ambassador. But what I
will say is look at Game one against the Phillies,
zero for four, four strikeouts, three looking and they still win.
It's almost impossible for the Yankees to win. If Justge
comes up four for five with four punchouts, it's not
going to happen. So to your point less pressure than judge.
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But they do have an incredible complimentary set of you know.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
In a great roster. Yeah, it's interesting. The forgotten man
for the Dodgers is tao Oscar Hernandez. They're so good.
He was a Yankee killer last year. Remember when they
went in the regular season in New York and he
just ate them alive. If you ever wonder if the
Dodgers are great, It's like when I was a kid
growing up, the Reds were so loaded. Nobody talked about
Tony Perez right right right. It was like oh Rose
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and Griffy and Bench and like Morgan, and you're like
Tony Prez an all Star. That's what I feel about
Taoscar Hernandez. He turns into Many Ramirez in October. It's incredible.
It's phenomena of a player. He is. Okay, so I
grew up a Mariners fan. I go to eBay and
look at the old stuff. I've got a soft spot
in my heart. You do as well. So what's great
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about baseball? Right now? Milwaukee's a small market. Even though
Seattle is very corporate centric, it's viewed as kind of
a small market. I think some of its geography, it's
a long road trip, it's a long way. It's rough
on a team over the course of a season. I've
argued that that's why the Vancouver Grizzlies didn't work in
the NBA. It's a beautiful city. You've been there. It's
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a long road trip for eighty two games. Do the
Mariners Munno's in the back end Raleigh? Do the Mariners
have enough? Can they be Can they get through the
American League? Or is it just a great story with
a handful of really special players. No. I think they
can get through.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And the fact they have home field advantage, to your point,
is very challenging for them. But it's even more challenging
and have the team's coming from New York or from Toronto,
or from Florida and the Pacific Northwest. They own that
quadrant part of the US. Incredible fan base, great TV numbers,
the players are extremely popular. And by the way, while
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everyone's looking at the big dumper right in rally of stars,
born with Julio Rodriguez, who has the it factor to
be one of maybe even the next you know, Aaron Judge.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
How do you explain Milwaukee has the best people say,
best young GM best manager, both leave clubs take one,
Mets take the other. They replace them. It's like, yeah,
they'll miss a beat, is it? Do you explain Milwaukee?
I mean last night just power. Do you explain it
to great drafting and development? I mean, it's not like
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to just go outspend people. How do you explain in
a sport with no salary cap. It's got a Packers
feel they shouldn't be this good for thirty five years.
The Brewers shouldn't be this complete. How do we explain it? Well,
you have.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I'm a big believer in leadership. Pat Murphy's an incredible coach.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
He recruited me.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
At Arizona State one hundred years ago when he was there.
Great communicator, no bs, and they play old school style baseball.
They're not a home run team. They don't give up
home runs, they don't hit home runs, but they're hitting
them that when accounts right and in that stadium.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
That's a great comp to Packers. That fan base.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I started my career in nineteen ninety four in Appleton, Wisconsin.
Incredible fans, very smart, rabid, loud.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They love their.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Team, and that's a team that's in a run. Look
they haven't been in this position is in nineteen eighty
two when they lost to the Cardinals in the World Series.
There's a magic about them that they played good, solid baseball.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, you know when I was a kid growing up,
you're a baseball savant. You have the great history of it.
And I'm going to go old school. I mean, forget
Molitor and Robin Yunt. People forget how good the Twins
and the Brewers were in the seventies and early eighties,
and it was like Rod Carew for the Twins and
the Brewers had all these people sometimes forget how great
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of a baseball market Milwaukee is. Indeed, you just forget
about it because you know, the Cubs get all the
glare down in Chicago. How is baseball? And this is
a kind of a macro topic because you have such
an instinct for the sport. So Rob Manfred, We're gonna
speed the game up, We're going to make the basis bigger,
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We're going to do universal dh I think baseball had
a really different Rob Manford looked at baseball and said,
we got a lot of traditionals, and they're wrong on
a lot. I think this is as healthy as baseball
has been since I was a kid. Now, am I wrong?
Am I missing something? What are you hearing? What do
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you see? Well?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I don't know if as if you were a kid.
I mean you got to remember this. And I think
people forget this. Colin In Bill Buckner, Bill goes through
the wickets right in nineteen eighty six Game seven, you
had fifty five million.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
People watch that game.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
When the Red Sox came back against us in two
thousand and four, we were.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Up three to zero.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You know you have thirty thirty five million people watching
on Fox. So that was an extraordinary time in a
different era. But the game has never been healthier. And
Rob Manford, Tony Clark, the leaders of this game have
done a great job. I think the only thing in
the horizon that scares me a little bit is work
stompage potentially in a couple of years, yes, a postseason.
I've been doing this now with Kevin Burkhardt for almost
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eleven years, and these last two years unbelievable sighting as
I've seen them, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And again, Milwaukee, Seattle, San Diego is not a big market.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
You have forty million people in Toronto. I mean there's
one team in that country, talk about pride. You go
to Rogers Center, I'll tell you what. You better pack
your lunch. They're a handful of there. Very very tough
place to win. Alex Rodriguez, it's great seeing you. We
took you one minute long. You're a busy guy. Are
you here for business?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I take it and I can show so you're literally
you get here this early every so the Mariners are
on right after us? Aren't the Mariners on right now?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
We have two games? We have the Mariners and then
we have the Yankees for the prime time on Fox.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Great seeing you, great seeing you, love having you here.
Thank you.
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Speaker 1 (14:17):
All right, j Mack with the news.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Turns.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
This is the Herd line news.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
All right, col Let's start with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
They almost made your herd hierarchy top number one. They
finished at number two. How about this start to the season, man,
Tampa's the first team in NFL history to win four
games by three or fewer points.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
In the first opposite of the Lions this year, they
bought nobody.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
They can't get margin. Baker talked about it after the
walk off in Seattle.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Obviously, I mean the games we've had so far this year,
as long as we have time on the cloth, we
got a chance. And our guys truly truly believe that
from the bottom of their hearts. So it's it's a
good feeling to have and just guys execut and doing
all the little things right.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
There's real value in winning like this. I mean Kansas
City last year struggled to run the football wide receiver
room was a mass a line struggled. They were great
in close games. There is incredible value. I mean, we've
said this before in college football, when a team wins
by blowout, you know, like the Clemson in years wins
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by a blowout. SEC teams, Big ten teams are playing
closer games every week. I think this pays dividends to
be able to win close. You Kansas City last year
got to the Super Bowl? Were they really the second
most talented team? They had holes everywhere? So that's the
problem we our staff came up with. This is a
crazy stat.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
So four teams have trailed in the fourth quarter of
every game this season, right, the Jets who are winless,
the Titans, who stink and are one and four, The
Browns are one in four, and Tampa which is four
and one trailing in the fourth quarter of every game
this season. Well, there's a lot of luck will evolved.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Well, no, there's not.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
At the end of games.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Why look at those teams, Bucks, Brown's, Titans, Jets. You
think it's luck. Why is the one team four and one?
Name the quarterbacks for the four teams, Fleco, cam Ward,
Justin Fields and MVP candidate. They're winning the games because
of the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I know it's fashionable to put Bakers in MVP candidate.
There's zero chance he wins the MVPs none. So all
this luck divolved when the when the football bounces the
other way later this season and they end.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Up I wouldn't be I wouldn't be so sure when
you looked at that schedule. That Seattle game was a
tough one. They're winning some of these games, the close
ones that were tough games. Also, no Bucky Irving, no Evans,
they're getting healthy. It was a great win, no doubt.
I don't think it's sustainable. I'm gonna go with San
Francisco this week. Getting San Francisco ISA is the better side.
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The number hasn't gone to three yet.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I saw three last.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
If it goes to three, San Francis goes to side.
Mac Jones are pretty doesn't matter to you. Why would
you sit mac Jones? He's red hot? Why would you
Unless Perdy's one hundred percent healthy, why would you do that?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Purdy's a better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Slightly let me just say, what's the word less than
slightly granularly barely.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
That's literally not a word.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Let's move on to the Bengals. They got the big
trade last hour, acquiring cement Shoes, Joe Flacco and a
six round pick from the Browns. Cincinnati is moving on.
It seems like from Jake Browning he had been a
total disaster. Flacco will now compete for the starting job
they got the Packers this week. Now, listen, man, I
know Flacco is a smart, savvy veteran. Are you really
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throwing him in against the Packers defense off a bye?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You think he could start this game?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I know the Packers just gave up forty to Now
the story isn't the Bengals, The story is Cleveland. So
Cleveland has said, basically, we have two first round picks
next year. We're gonna play Dylan Gabriel and Shade, but
mostly Dylan Gabriel to figure out if we got the guy.
That's what you have to do. Dylan Gabriel again a
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little smaller than i'd like. But if this is this
is why they're doing it.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Can we call this a soft tank. It's not just.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
People don't tank in the NFL. I just don't have
very many good players. What it is is Cleveland saying
we've got two first round picks. Drew aller Cade club
Nick have not been overwhelming. We have a chance to
have the number one pick. Let's let Shaduur and Dylan
Gabriel play. That's what this is. Get Joe out of
the building and let the young guys have the rest
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of the season. I think I think it's really smart
by Stefanski and Cleveland. Let's see. It's like what the
Giants are doing with Jackson Dart. You can't you can't
make a decision off seven games. You got to give
him fifteen starts. Let's see if you can play.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
And you get a late round pick.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You know.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
In addition, I don't know how he's gonna do anything
Flacco that is with the Bengals. I think we I
like Dylan Gabriel more than you do. You don't see Quino.
You like these big Drew Aller types.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I like traits.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Yeah, but I had that workout for brock Osweiler and
I was.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Looking for six four update guy, you were what was available.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Yeah, because I was the best on the market, big guy.
The final story is, Oh, this is shocking news from
the college football world. North Carolina is backing out of
its season long documentary Oh It's going to be on Hulu.
They were gonna chronicle Belichick's first year with the Tar heels.
The deal was just announced two months ago. Remember the
realmarole with Bill's girlfriend pulling the chain, pulling things behind
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the scenes. And now all of a sudden it's gone.
So Belichick after getting smashed by Clemson, I guess he
doesn't want that footage to see the light of day.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Huh. This has gone so poorly.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
So but I was way I thought this would go good.
Belichick's a genius. It's College's the.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Acc Well, I thought they'd be I thought that had
a chance to win seven or eight games. I didn't
think they'd get shelled by everybody on their stade. May
not win five games. Oh they're not gonna win five gigs,
and they may not win three. They're not winning. And
you know again it's he's closed himself off. He did
that in New England. How do you not get along
with Robert Kraft. He's gonna build a statue. I mean,
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you got to get over it. The minute Robert Kraft
said no, we're gonna keep Brady and move on Jimmy Garoppolo,
Bill pouted. Bill never looked at him the same. Oh gosh,
an owner said, listen, we're gonna keep Brady, who went
on to win a Super Bowl in New England and Tampa.
So Craft and Brady were right.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Yeah, there's a tough one for Bill Man. Listen, this
is and we both know Michael Lombardi a little bit
like things are spiraling in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
These are pro guys. They're not college guys.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Do you I don't want to go two over? Do
you think they last more than one season?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
There? No?
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I mean what do they win three games and there's
a mutinee and like they can't get anybody in the port?
Do they run him out?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Bill was never a Saturday guy. I've said it. Urban
Meyer was never a Sunday guy. These sports are totally different.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
This is like Willie Mays in the outfield with the
Mets stumbling around. You're like, that's not really amaze that
I know. You know these late Korea.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's tough one to Bill Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Better get ready Mariners in the World Series. I'm just
telling you right now, you better get you better get
ready for it.
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Speaker 1 (21:38):
Mariners at the Tigers. Right after our show will be
throwing to it. Blue Jays at the Yankees. A lot
of pressure on New York and Aaron Boone and I
do think it is different. The pressure is different in
New York than it is Los Angeles. First of all,
they did studies on this year's ago. People are more
prone to honk quickly in New York. It's a lot
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of people in the Burrows jammed up, very impatient, and
when it comes to the Yankees, because of their history,
they get very frustrated. Talk radios much bigger in New York.
There's a volume to New York Sports. The different and
I think the pressure is different. And I asked a
Rod ten minutes ago about being Aaron judge. It's not
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about hitting for average. It's about hitting in a big
spot that changes an outcome of a series. And here's
a Rod.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
People look at stats as the end of all. It's
really about moments. Look at the moments of Yankee history,
whether it's seventy seven, Reggie Jackson with the three homers,
or Aaron Boone with the walk off against the Red
Sox or miss to November. Do you remember what Regie
had in that series, or Aaron Boone or Jeter. You don't,
but you remember those moments. I think what Aaron Boone,
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what Judge needs is a couple of big moments, and
forget about the stats. Go one for thirteen if that
basis v when he struck out, If he has a
double or a home run, you're a hero and you're
one for thirteen.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So enough with the stats. Get big moments. Help your
team win. Also, a crazy Monday night football game last
night in which there were you know, turnovers, fumbles at
the one, flags and then flags taken out. I think
Kansas City is the better team. You know, we talked
earlier today about an hour ago about the current NFL
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playoff standings. I don't think they'll change much. I think
as the NFL has become much more quarterback dependent that
you can see very early, you have to have a
great quarterback or a quarterback being well coached and playing
at a great level. So currently, right now the NFL
playoff standings in the AFC and the NFC, I don't
think it's going to change a lot. Colts, I think
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are the most underrated team in the league. Bill's Steelers
are the healthiest of all beat up teams in the
AFC North, Chargers, Jags, Denver, and New England. That's a
lot of the teams I thought would make the playoffs.
I don't think the AFC South will have two playoff teams.
I think the Colts have the better complete roster and
the better O line. So I'm going to take Jacksonville,
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take them out, put Kansas City in. That's my belief
in the AFC. In the NFC, I don't think Minnesota
is gonna make it. Not good enough at quarterback, and
I think eventually the Rams will absolutely get in. I'd
keep my eye on Washington, but you know it's Jaden
Daniel's health. Philadelphia is fascinating because they have the best roster.
But it's Nick Wright said earlier today, when you know,
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you drop that game to the Broncos and you got
totally dominated again in a half of football, often at home.
And here's Nick Wright on the plight the coaching crisis
with Philly right now.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
And in their last six halves of football, they have
either had less than eight yards rushing or eight yards
passing in three of them. It reminds me a bit
of two years ago. When they started ten and one,
but it was so angsty and every game they won,
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but it was like yeah, but yeah, but and what
that led to was a historic collapse.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I don't know if we're gonna have a historic collapse.
But you know, Detroit hired from within for their coordinators.
It's worked. Philadelphia tried it and it hasn't. It was
somebody that had never been a play caller stuff. And
Philadelphia is not a real patient football city or sports city,
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so it's hard to learn on the fly. You know,
there's a lot of these cities like Tampa the media
is supportive, or Milwaukee with the Brewers. It's not in
Philadelphia if you're struggling. I mean, talk radio still gets
a massive number in four or five cities in the country,
most in the Northeast. So you know, just Drew Bledsoe
was on yesterday, and this is the best roster in
the NFL. I don't think anybody even doubts it. I'm
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not sure anybody's close. But here's what Bledsoe sees with
the Eagles.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
They are a punchy in the mouth, run the football,
play defense, play action, you know, big play. You know
a team and that's you know, that's that's that's who
they are, you know. But in order to you know,
in order to play that way though, you have to
be remarkably consistent, you know, you you know, you have
to you have to convert third downs so you can
keep running the football. You know, you've got to get
the defensive stops. I just think you're seeing a little
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bit of inconsistency out of the out of the Eagles
offense right now.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Now.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
You know, they're four and one, I don't know, and
they played you know, the Broncos are a good football
team and you know, so there's no reason to panic, uh,
you know, with what's going on with the Eagles. But
but their identity is their identity.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Let's go back to the current JMAC playoff standing. So
put the AFC in the NFC up and I just
want to name either coach or quarterback. So if you
put up the playoff standings, you you literally have to
have a great quarterback now or a quarterback playing at
a very high level. So right now, now you look
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at the Colts, well, it's probly the weakest division, and
you say, well, Daniel Jones, but people love Shane Steiken
and their old line's great, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Harbaugh,
Herbert say what you want, Trevor Lawrence a huge talent,
Sean Payton, Mike Vrabel, and Drake may So there's either
a great coach or there's a super talented quarterback. Go
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to the NFC. Jalen Hurts, Kyle Shanahan is having maybe
his best coaching year. Baker Mayfield is in the MVP conversation.
I mean, I would say Dan Campbell and Goff are
both a ish Jordan Love, Matt Lafleur, Sam Darnold playing
great football. That's why I don't think Minnesota lasts. I
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think Kevin O'Connell's a great coach. I think there's limitations,
but by and large, you know, you used to always
be in the NFL. There's a lot of ways to
win now. You don't have to look a certain way,
but find the team and you can say what you
want about Aaron Rodgers. He is getting rid of the
ball right now faster than any NFL quarterback. So Aaron's
getting it out, getting it accurate. It is hard to
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win in this league if you're not special at coach
or quarterback. There's not a lot of different ways to
win anymore. That's why we talked about it earlier. Look
at the teams that are struggling. The Jets, well, they
don't have an elite coach or a quarterback. And what
I've noticed over the last several years, the bottom I
was on this two years ago, the bottom of the
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NFL is the bottom of the NBA. Now, like you
can tell a month into the season, teams can't compete.
We're seeing college lines in NFL games. It was almost
never you'd see like if you saw an eleven point
NFL line, you're like, oh, it must be that's the
best team in the league against the worst team in
the league. You're seeing lines now for that are just wild.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Bengals are fifteen point dogs against Jordan Love and the
Packers this week. Now, I don't know if it's going
to be Browning or Flaco, but yeah, that's unwatched. Let
me let me ask you about the Viking. So they're
in there. I was looking into toughest schedules. They have
the toughest or second toughest schedule. Rest of the way,
I don't think they're a playoff team. So Washington and
the Rams are not in their coming. Okay, So again,
so who are you who you pulling out? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I'm taking So I'm gonna put McVeigh and Stafford in
and take Minnesota out. Why coach in quarterball? What about Washington?
I think they have a superstar quarterback. I think they're
going to go in. The question is who who? So
right now, you know, I maybe Seattle right now, Seattle's
in and I think Darnold but I but again, who
(29:36):
are the teams I'm taking out? So three teams I
think are gonna make it that aren't Curly in here
Read and Mahomes, Stafford, McVeigh and Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
You did not mention C. J. Stroud in Houston. You
crowned him a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Where he's not He's we gotta talk about the team
should he be in though? Not in that comvision? No? Interesting? No,
I I think the only team, like Shane Steichen's not
proven as a head coach. The only team you look
at and go, well, where's a great coach and a
great quarterback is Indy. It's a bad division and I
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think their roster is so undervalued.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
It's early. Can you imagine a playoffs with no Mahomes,
no Burrow, and no Lamar Jacks.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
That's not happening. Mahomes is getting in, by the way.
Even if that's true, I would still get Josh Allen,
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Aaron Rodgers. Do you think he's an appointment viewing right now?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I think the Steelers with Aaron Rodgers would get a
huge playoff number. Yeah, I totally they get a number.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
But they're boring. Man. Have you watched them other than
that Jets game when they what over outfield?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Philadelphia is boring?
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Yeah, but they have great players Jalen or Hurt. They
just can't get them the ball. DeVonta Smith.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I think people are going to have to come to terms.
Here's the utter thing that's exciting. If you're the NFL.
The teams that are currently in Drake may Bock. Come on, No,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Aren't into them yet? The way they are loves people
like I'm just saying hot and cold. Man, I'm still
ticked about that he's not cold.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Where do you get the cold part?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
He hasn't been amazing. I think I might have a
ticket on him to win the MLB this season.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Hold on, let me look, no, I want to do
this real quick, hold on, I don't have it.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Jordan Love put the Packers schedule up.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
There had no timeout. Forget the schedule. Jordan Love this
year eight touchdowns, one pick and a one thirteen passer rating.
He was good against the Lions, by the way, with
Jayden Reid hurt, Christian Watson hurt, Zach tom Wright tackle hurt.
So the offense is all banged up. They played a
pretty good schedule and he's rolling. Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
He didn't roll against the Browns when they lost that
game out right in Cleveland?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Did he?
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Everybody rolls against its fields?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Was good yesterday? They have they had a stinker. This
is a week to week league. You don't know who
you're getting. I think the team that we both love,
but they don't look the same as Buffalo. That defense.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Yeah, well Milano and Oliver. They need those guys in
there in the middle. I think they could be right
for a trade. You know, you start picking some of
these bottom feeders off. Bengals starts selling parts right, some
of these defenders, if they have any good ones.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
No, I think Buffalo at the trade deadline has to
address the inability to stop.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
The run, especially with the Chief stinking this year. This
is your chance, Buffalo get to the super Bowl thinking
you heard it.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Stink.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Two and three are rotten.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Baseball playoffs next
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hi, welcome back. Twenty two years, three MVPs fourteen time
All Star and you're always been good to our show
whenever you're around, and you're probably doing some business. You
told me ten years ago you love business, and it's
all worked out for you. See, you've always been very sharp.
You've got your own analytic mind in business, and you
and I are Aaron boon apologists. So my take is,
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first of all, I do believe because of the length
of a season, you have to be a players manager.
This is not football where you can be dogmatic and
cut guys, and you've got to get along with players.
Dave Roberts Aaron Booner players guys, but he doesn't set
the lineup. He gets all the heat and the truth
is in this series they're just not getting outs. I mean,
(01:12):
your take on Aaron Boone and the relentless, NonStop criticism
he gets.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, I mean, you know, you and I met years
ago at the King Though back in Seattle. And even
a guy like Lou Panella, who's more cut out of
you know, Bill Belichick or Nick Saban, you know, very hard.
I love them like a dad, and he was a
great teacher. I don't know that works in today's game.
The reason why I like Aaron Boone so much is
it's a no win situation for him upstairs and make
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the lineup.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
If it works, they get the credit. And if you lose,
Boone's in the hot seat.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So I rather see after the games, you know, Mike
Fish Cashman, the analytics explaining why they're making the moves, why.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
They have three lieutenant catchers.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So I think Boone is you know, I mean they
got just just destroyed up there in Toronto the first
two games, and I don't think anyone could have won
those games as a manager.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, yeah, when you go to a deciding game in
the playoffs, game one, you can't win. I mean the
Cubs found this in Milwaukee. When you go to these
deciding games and you you know, sometimes you empty the bullpen.
So Aaron Judge is in a world that you lived in.
It's Aaron's hitting in the series. It's not about that.
In New York, he's got to have a three run
bomb of the eighth. And I do think it's different
(02:24):
in New York. I said this last week, even compared
to Dodger Stadium, which is a jewel, the pressure in
New York, the talk radio in New York, the intensity
of New York people are a little ruder. Fans are
a little more gruff and blunt. Do you feel he
hasn't had the moment in the postseason? You were there,
(02:44):
You know the pressure. Do you think it weighs on him?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Of course it weighs on him. And I don't think
Aaron's going to admit that. I didn't admit that when
I struggled. But in New York it compounds at.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
A much higher rate.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Right If you struggle in Milwaukee or secondary market, it compounds,
but it doesn't compound in the rate of the snowball
of New York, which I felt. Now, I think you
said the perfect word. I think one of the most
misleading stats in baseball is people look at stats as the.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
End of all. It's really about moments.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Look at the moments of Yankee history, whether it's seventy
seven Reggie Jackson with the three homers, or Aaron Boone
with the walk off against the Red Sox or mister November.
Do you remember what Regie had in that series, or
Aaron Boone or Jeter? You don't, but you remember those moments.
I think, what Aaron Boone, what Judge needs is a
couple of big moments, and forget about the stats. Go
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one for thirteen if that base is loaded, when he
struck out, if he hits a double or a home run,
your a hero. You're a hero and you're one for thirteen.
So enough with the stats. Get big moments. Help your
team win. You know I have credited the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I've said, listen, the Jets, the Giants, Brooklyn Nets. Now
you're an NBA owner, they've all been chaotic. They're firing
and hiring. The Yankees, Brian Cashman thirty years, They've had
three managers thirty years. They're almost patient to a fault.
George Steinbener created almost like Bill Parcells. He created chaos
(04:09):
because it created clarity. It's not Aaron's style. That was
Parcells style. That was Billy Martin style with Reggie, do
you think they should be less patient? I mean, would
you shape things up if they get beat in tonight
or in a Game four.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It's a really And by the way, Billy Martin was
Lupenella's teacher, right, So I felt in many ways that
connect this tissue. But it's funny when you see with
the Yankees as you see no turnover with manager in Cashman,
but you see incredible turnover with that roster. Now, if
you go back three years, the only two people standing
are Vopie and Judge, and you have twenty four new players.
(04:49):
And what I found when you win and you have
teams that have been ultimately very successful, whether it's the
SPURSI in basketball, Belichick and the Patriot and Brady and football.
You look at the Dodgers' core, it takes about four
years to kind of come together and cement. And for me,
there's just too many turnovers. If they lose now, they'll
be a completely different turnover next year and you'll have
Boom coming back and you have Cashman coming back.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
So I just think you need to stick.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Imagine if Soda was there for two or three years
with Judge or four years, they'll win a championship almost guaranteed,
but a one and out it's tough to do.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I want to talk about the Dodgers. I've said this
about the Yankees the last two years. If you watch
the Yankees last year in the World Series, when Garrett
Cole didn't pitch, they looked overmatched athletically by the Dodgers. Now,
the Yankees have always beaten up on the American League Central.
I feel this team is uneven. It's very home run dependent.
They don't sacrifice, they don't play small ball. The bullpens shaky.
(05:44):
The Dodgers are different. They're not uneven, they just have
a bad bullpen. Inning seven and eight are white knuckle.
They have to go in with a four to five
nothing lead or a five run lead. When you know
the bullpen is your flaw as a player at bats
different do you think differently? Is there more intensity? Dodger
(06:04):
players all know there is a star studded but last
night they took a four to nothing lead and I'm like,
I think that's enough. Did it change? Do the players know, listen,
we have a bad bully. Did your at bats get
more intense? Do you do you manage differently when you
have that back end that struggles.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
By the way, I think you know Dog Roberts, it's
the unsung hero.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
He's just such a great job with that team.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And it's hard to do, by the way, because there's
a lot of moving parts in La right, there's a
lot of noise, there's a lot of media, big fan base.
But I think the Dodgers are the complete package.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
They're going to beat you one zero or ten to one.
It reminds me of the old nineties Yankees when they
won four titles. Were they going to beat you any way?
You want to play in the trenches pitching one zero,
ten zero, they're going to win. The Dodgers that they've
made three of the most unbelievable plays in the nineteen
y Yesterday unbelievable. The monthly play to Mookie bets like
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it's like a quarterback hitting a wide receive on the
run with no force. He has a tag and then
you go to Freeman goes to his right and throw
the strike to Mookie for a force and then he
picks it a very tough pick to end the game,
where the second basement throws like a little bit of
a jellyfish. Those are the hardest ones because it's a bullet,
you can scoop it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But when is a.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Little soft, like a little dead fish, it's like, Oh,
they're unbelievable. And I don't see anybody stopping.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
The Dodgers yet, Judge, I feel because it's an uneven
roster has pressure. I don't feel that with Otawanni Freddy
Freeman can carry this team. I mean, Mookie Best struggled
in September. I think he has a stomach illius, he
got illness, he got really hot in September. I don't
feel this team even though O Tawni is Babe Ruth,
He's all right, baby Ruth. I don't feel there's pressure
(07:44):
on him, do you well.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I mean there's always some pressure obviously, and he has
tremendous pressure from his country because he's like the biggest
thing in Japan, right, the greatest ambassador. But what I
will say is look at Game one against the Phillies,
zero for four, four strikeouts, three looking and they still win.
It's almost impossible for the Yankees to win. If Justge
comes up four for five with four punchouts, it's not
going to happen. So to your point less pressure than judge.
(08:09):
But they do have an incredible complimentary set of you know.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
In a great roster. Yeah, it's interesting. The forgotten man
for the Dodgers is tao Oscar Hernandez. They're so good.
He was a Yankee killer last year. Remember when they
went in the regular season in New York and he
just ate them alive. If you ever wonder if the
Dodgers are great, It's like when I was a kid
growing up, the Reds were so loaded. Nobody talked about
Tony Perez right right right. It was like oh Rose
(08:34):
and Griffy and Bench and like Morgan, and you're like
Tony Prez an all Star. That's what I feel about
Taoscar Hernandez. He turns into Many Ramirez in October. It's incredible.
It's phenomena of a player. He is. Okay, so I
grew up a Mariners fan. I go to eBay and
look at the old stuff. I've got a soft spot
in my heart. You do as well. So what's great
(08:55):
about baseball? Right now? Milwaukee's a small market. Even though
Seattle is very corporate centric, it's viewed as kind of
a small market. I think some of its geography, it's
a long road trip, it's a long way. It's rough
on a team over the course of a season. I've
argued that that's why the Vancouver Grizzlies didn't work in
the NBA. It's a beautiful city. You've been there. It's
(09:16):
a long road trip for eighty two games. Do the
Mariners Munno's in the back end Raleigh? Do the Mariners
have enough? Can they be Can they get through the
American League? Or is it just a great story with
a handful of really special players. No. I think they
can get through.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And the fact they have home field advantage, to your point,
is very challenging for them. But it's even more challenging
and have the team's coming from New York or from Toronto,
or from Florida and the Pacific Northwest. They own that
quadrant part of the US. Incredible fan base, great TV numbers,
the players are extremely popular. And by the way, while
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everyone's looking at the big dumper right in rally of stars,
born with Julio Rodriguez, who has the it factor to
be one of maybe even the next you know, Aaron Judge.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
How do you explain Milwaukee has the best people say,
best young GM best manager, both leave clubs take one,
Mets take the other. They replace them. It's like, yeah,
they'll miss a beat, is it? Do you explain Milwaukee?
I mean last night just power. Do you explain it
to great drafting and development? I mean, it's not like
(10:28):
to just go outspend people. How do you explain in
a sport with no salary cap. It's got a Packers
feel they shouldn't be this good for thirty five years.
The Brewers shouldn't be this complete. How do we explain it? Well,
you have.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I'm a big believer in leadership. Pat Murphy's an incredible coach.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
He recruited me.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
At Arizona State one hundred years ago when he was there.
Great communicator, no bs, and they play old school style baseball.
They're not a home run team. They don't give up
home runs, they don't hit home runs, but they're hitting
them that when accounts right and in that stadium.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
That's a great comp to Packers. That fan base.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I started my career in nineteen ninety four in Appleton, Wisconsin.
Incredible fans, very smart, rabid, loud.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They love their.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Team, and that's a team that's in a run. Look
they haven't been in this position is in nineteen eighty
two when they lost to the Cardinals in the World Series.
There's a magic about them that they played good, solid baseball.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, you know when I was a kid growing up,
you're a baseball savant. You have the great history of it.
And I'm going to go old school. I mean, forget
Molitor and Robin Yunt. People forget how good the Twins
and the Brewers were in the seventies and early eighties,
and it was like Rod Carew for the Twins and
the Brewers had all these people sometimes forget how great
(11:42):
of a baseball market Milwaukee is. Indeed, you just forget
about it because you know, the Cubs get all the
glare down in Chicago. How is baseball? And this is
a kind of a macro topic because you have such
an instinct for the sport. So Rob Manfred, We're gonna
speed the game up, We're going to make the basis bigger,
(12:03):
We're going to do universal dh I think baseball had
a really different Rob Manford looked at baseball and said,
we got a lot of traditionals, and they're wrong on
a lot. I think this is as healthy as baseball
has been since I was a kid. Now, am I wrong?
Am I missing something? What are you hearing? What do
(12:24):
you see? Well?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I don't know if as if you were a kid.
I mean you got to remember this. And I think
people forget this. Colin In Bill Buckner, Bill goes through
the wickets right in nineteen eighty six Game seven, you
had fifty five million.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
People watch that game.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
When the Red Sox came back against us in two
thousand and four, we were.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Up three to zero.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You know you have thirty thirty five million people watching
on Fox. So that was an extraordinary time in a
different era. But the game has never been healthier. And
Rob Manford, Tony Clark, the leaders of this game have
done a great job. I think the only thing in
the horizon that scares me a little bit is work
stompage potentially in a couple of years, yes, a postseason.
I've been doing this now with Kevin Burkhardt for almost
(13:03):
eleven years, and these last two years unbelievable sighting as
I've seen them, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And again, Milwaukee, Seattle, San Diego is not a big market.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
You have forty million people in Toronto. I mean there's
one team in that country, talk about pride. You go
to Rogers Center, I'll tell you what. You better pack
your lunch. They're a handful of there. Very very tough
place to win. Alex Rodriguez, it's great seeing you. We
took you one minute long. You're a busy guy. Are
you here for business?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I take it and I can show so you're literally
you get here this early every so the Mariners are
on right after us? Aren't the Mariners on right now?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
We have two games? We have the Mariners and then
we have the Yankees for the prime time on Fox.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Great seeing you, great seeing you, love having you here.
Thank you.
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Speaker 6 (14:24):
All right, col Let's start with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
They almost made your herd hierarchy top number one. They
finished at number two. How about this start to the season, man,
Tampa's the first team in NFL history to win four
games by three or fewer points.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
In the first opposite of the Lions this year, they
bought nobody.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
They can't get margin. Baker talked about it after the
walk off in Seattle.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Obviously, I mean the games we've had so far this year,
as long as we have time on the cloth, we
got a chance. And our guys truly truly believe that
from the bottom of their hearts. So it's it's a
good feeling to have and just guys execut and doing
all the little things right.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
There's real value in winning like this. I mean Kansas
City last year struggled to run the football wide receiver
room was a mass a line struggled. They were great
in close games. There is incredible value. I mean, we've
said this before in college football, when a team wins
by blowout, you know, like the Clemson in years wins
(15:25):
by a blowout. SEC teams, Big ten teams are playing
closer games every week. I think this pays dividends to
be able to win close. You Kansas City last year
got to the Super Bowl? Were they really the second
most talented team? They had holes everywhere? So that's the
problem we our staff came up with. This is a
crazy stat.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
So four teams have trailed in the fourth quarter of
every game this season, right, the Jets who are winless,
the Titans, who stink and are one and four, The
Browns are one in four, and Tampa which is four
and one trailing in the fourth quarter of every game
this season. Well, there's a lot of luck will evolved.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Well, no, there's not.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
At the end of games.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Why look at those teams, Bucks, Brown's, Titans, Jets. You
think it's luck. Why is the one team four and one?
Name the quarterbacks for the four teams, Fleco, cam Ward,
Justin Fields and MVP candidate. They're winning the games because
of the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I know it's fashionable to put Bakers in MVP candidate.
There's zero chance he wins the MVPs none. So all
this luck divolved when the when the football bounces the
other way later this season and they end.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Up I wouldn't be I wouldn't be so sure when
you looked at that schedule. That Seattle game was a
tough one. They're winning some of these games, the close
ones that were tough games. Also, no Bucky Irving, no Evans,
they're getting healthy. It was a great win, no doubt.
I don't think it's sustainable. I'm gonna go with San
Francisco this week. Getting San Francisco ISA is the better side.
(16:56):
The number hasn't gone to three yet.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I saw three last.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
If it goes to three, San Francis goes to side.
Mac Jones are pretty doesn't matter to you. Why would
you sit mac Jones? He's red hot? Why would you
Unless Perdy's one hundred percent healthy, why would you do that?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Purdy's a better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Slightly let me just say, what's the word less than
slightly granularly barely.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
That's literally not a word.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Let's move on to the Bengals. They got the big
trade last hour, acquiring cement Shoes, Joe Flacco and a
six round pick from the Browns. Cincinnati is moving on.
It seems like from Jake Browning he had been a
total disaster. Flacco will now compete for the starting job
they got the Packers this week. Now, listen, man, I
know Flacco is a smart, savvy veteran. Are you really
(17:50):
throwing him in against the Packers defense off a bye?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You think he could start this game?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I know the Packers just gave up forty to Now
the story isn't the Bengals, The story is Cleveland. So
Cleveland has said, basically, we have two first round picks
next year. We're gonna play Dylan Gabriel and Shade, but
mostly Dylan Gabriel to figure out if we got the guy.
That's what you have to do. Dylan Gabriel again a
(18:17):
little smaller than i'd like. But if this is this
is why they're doing it.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Can we call this a soft tank. It's not just.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
People don't tank in the NFL. I just don't have
very many good players. What it is is Cleveland saying
we've got two first round picks. Drew aller Cade club
Nick have not been overwhelming. We have a chance to
have the number one pick. Let's let Shaduur and Dylan
Gabriel play. That's what this is. Get Joe out of
the building and let the young guys have the rest
(18:44):
of the season. I think I think it's really smart
by Stefanski and Cleveland. Let's see. It's like what the
Giants are doing with Jackson Dart. You can't you can't
make a decision off seven games. You got to give
him fifteen starts. Let's see if you can play.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
And you get a late round pick.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You know.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
In addition, I don't know how he's gonna do anything
Flacco that is with the Bengals. I think we I
like Dylan Gabriel more than you do. You don't see Quino.
You like these big Drew Aller types.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I like traits.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Yeah, but I had that workout for brock Osweiler and
I was.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Looking for six four update guy, you were what was available.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Yeah, because I was the best on the market, big guy.
The final story is, Oh, this is shocking news from
the college football world. North Carolina is backing out of
its season long documentary Oh It's going to be on Hulu.
They were gonna chronicle Belichick's first year with the Tar heels.
The deal was just announced two months ago. Remember the
realmarole with Bill's girlfriend pulling the chain, pulling things behind
(19:40):
the scenes. And now all of a sudden it's gone.
So Belichick after getting smashed by Clemson, I guess he
doesn't want that footage to see the light of day.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Huh. This has gone so poorly.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
So but I was way I thought this would go good.
Belichick's a genius. It's College's the.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Acc Well, I thought they'd be I thought that had
a chance to win seven or eight games. I didn't
think they'd get shelled by everybody on their stade. May
not win five games. Oh they're not gonna win five gigs,
and they may not win three. They're not winning. And
you know again it's he's closed himself off. He did
that in New England. How do you not get along
with Robert Kraft. He's gonna build a statue. I mean,
(20:17):
you got to get over it. The minute Robert Kraft
said no, we're gonna keep Brady and move on Jimmy Garoppolo,
Bill pouted. Bill never looked at him the same. Oh gosh,
an owner said, listen, we're gonna keep Brady, who went
on to win a Super Bowl in New England and Tampa.
So Craft and Brady were right.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Yeah, there's a tough one for Bill Man. Listen, this
is and we both know Michael Lombardi a little bit
like things are spiraling in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
These are pro guys. They're not college guys.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Do you I don't want to go two over? Do
you think they last more than one season?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
There? No?
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I mean what do they win three games and there's
a mutinee and like they can't get anybody in the port?
Do they run him out?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Bill was never a Saturday guy. I've said it. Urban
Meyer was never a Sunday guy. These sports are totally different.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
This is like Willie Mays in the outfield with the
Mets stumbling around. You're like, that's not really amaze that
I know. You know these late Korea.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's tough one to Bill Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Better get ready Mariners in the World Series. I'm just
telling you right now, you better get you better get
ready for it.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noon Easter. Not a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Mariners at the Tigers. Right after our show will be
throwing to it. Blue Jays at the Yankees. A lot
of pressure on New York and Aaron Boone and I
do think it is different. The pressure is different in
New York than it is Los Angeles. First of all,
they did studies on this year's ago. People are more
prone to honk quickly in New York. It's a lot
(22:02):
of people in the Burrows jammed up, very impatient, and
when it comes to the Yankees, because of their history,
they get very frustrated. Talk radios much bigger in New York.
There's a volume to New York Sports. The different and
I think the pressure is different. And I asked a
Rod ten minutes ago about being Aaron judge. It's not
(22:22):
about hitting for average. It's about hitting in a big
spot that changes an outcome of a series. And here's
a Rod.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
People look at stats as the end of all. It's
really about moments. Look at the moments of Yankee history,
whether it's seventy seven, Reggie Jackson with the three homers,
or Aaron Boone with the walk off against the Red
Sox or miss to November. Do you remember what Regie
had in that series, or Aaron Boone or Jeter. You don't,
but you remember those moments. I think what Aaron Boone,
(22:53):
what Judge needs is a couple of big moments, and
forget about the stats. Go one for thirteen if that
basis v when he struck out, If he has a
double or a home run, you're a hero and you're
one for thirteen.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So enough with the stats. Get big moments. Help your
team win. Also, a crazy Monday night football game last
night in which there were you know, turnovers, fumbles at
the one, flags and then flags taken out. I think
Kansas City is the better team. You know, we talked
earlier today about an hour ago about the current NFL
(23:26):
playoff standings. I don't think they'll change much. I think
as the NFL has become much more quarterback dependent that
you can see very early, you have to have a
great quarterback or a quarterback being well coached and playing
at a great level. So currently, right now the NFL
playoff standings in the AFC and the NFC, I don't
think it's going to change a lot. Colts, I think
(23:49):
are the most underrated team in the league. Bill's Steelers
are the healthiest of all beat up teams in the
AFC North, Chargers, Jags, Denver, and New England. That's a
lot of the teams I thought would make the playoffs.
I don't think the AFC South will have two playoff teams.
I think the Colts have the better complete roster and
the better O line. So I'm going to take Jacksonville,
(24:11):
take them out, put Kansas City in. That's my belief
in the AFC. In the NFC, I don't think Minnesota
is gonna make it. Not good enough at quarterback, and
I think eventually the Rams will absolutely get in. I'd
keep my eye on Washington, but you know it's Jaden
Daniel's health. Philadelphia is fascinating because they have the best roster.
But it's Nick Wright said earlier today, when you know,
(24:33):
you drop that game to the Broncos and you got
totally dominated again in a half of football, often at home.
And here's Nick Wright on the plight the coaching crisis
with Philly right now.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
And in their last six halves of football, they have
either had less than eight yards rushing or eight yards
passing in three of them. It reminds me a bit
of two years ago. When they started ten and one,
but it was so angsty and every game they won,
(25:09):
but it was like yeah, but yeah, but and what
that led to was a historic collapse.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I don't know if we're gonna have a historic collapse.
But you know, Detroit hired from within for their coordinators.
It's worked. Philadelphia tried it and it hasn't. It was
somebody that had never been a play caller stuff. And
Philadelphia is not a real patient football city or sports city,
(25:37):
so it's hard to learn on the fly. You know,
there's a lot of these cities like Tampa the media
is supportive, or Milwaukee with the Brewers. It's not in
Philadelphia if you're struggling. I mean, talk radio still gets
a massive number in four or five cities in the country,
most in the Northeast. So you know, just Drew Bledsoe
was on yesterday, and this is the best roster in
the NFL. I don't think anybody even doubts it. I'm
(25:59):
not sure anybody's close. But here's what Bledsoe sees with
the Eagles.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
They are a punchy in the mouth, run the football,
play defense, play action, you know, big play. You know
a team and that's you know, that's that's that's who
they are, you know. But in order to you know,
in order to play that way though, you have to
be remarkably consistent, you know, you you know, you have
to you have to convert third downs so you can
keep running the football. You know, you've got to get
the defensive stops. I just think you're seeing a little
(26:24):
bit of inconsistency out of the out of the Eagles
offense right now.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Now.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
You know, they're four and one, I don't know, and
they played you know, the Broncos are a good football
team and you know, so there's no reason to panic, uh,
you know, with what's going on with the Eagles. But
but their identity is their identity.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Let's go back to the current JMAC playoff standing. So
put the AFC in the NFC up and I just
want to name either coach or quarterback. So if you
put up the playoff standings, you you literally have to
have a great quarterback now or a quarterback playing at
a very high level. So right now, now you look
(27:00):
at the Colts, well, it's probly the weakest division, and
you say, well, Daniel Jones, but people love Shane Steiken
and their old line's great, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Harbaugh,
Herbert say what you want, Trevor Lawrence a huge talent,
Sean Payton, Mike Vrabel, and Drake may So there's either
a great coach or there's a super talented quarterback. Go
(27:23):
to the NFC. Jalen Hurts, Kyle Shanahan is having maybe
his best coaching year. Baker Mayfield is in the MVP conversation.
I mean, I would say Dan Campbell and Goff are
both a ish Jordan Love, Matt Lafleur, Sam Darnold playing
great football. That's why I don't think Minnesota lasts. I
(27:46):
think Kevin O'Connell's a great coach. I think there's limitations,
but by and large, you know, you used to always
be in the NFL. There's a lot of ways to
win now. You don't have to look a certain way,
but find the team and you can say what you
want about Aaron Rodgers. He is getting rid of the
ball right now faster than any NFL quarterback. So Aaron's
getting it out, getting it accurate. It is hard to
(28:09):
win in this league if you're not special at coach
or quarterback. There's not a lot of different ways to
win anymore. That's why we talked about it earlier. Look
at the teams that are struggling. The Jets, well, they
don't have an elite coach or a quarterback. And what
I've noticed over the last several years, the bottom I
was on this two years ago, the bottom of the
(28:29):
NFL is the bottom of the NBA. Now, like you
can tell a month into the season, teams can't compete.
We're seeing college lines in NFL games. It was almost
never you'd see like if you saw an eleven point
NFL line, you're like, oh, it must be that's the
best team in the league against the worst team in
the league. You're seeing lines now for that are just wild.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Bengals are fifteen point dogs against Jordan Love and the
Packers this week. Now, I don't know if it's going
to be Browning or Flaco, but yeah, that's unwatched. Let
me let me ask you about the Viking. So they're
in there. I was looking into toughest schedules. They have
the toughest or second toughest schedule. Rest of the way,
I don't think they're a playoff team. So Washington and
the Rams are not in their coming. Okay, So again,
so who are you who you pulling out? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I'm taking So I'm gonna put McVeigh and Stafford in
and take Minnesota out. Why coach in quarterball? What about Washington?
I think they have a superstar quarterback. I think they're
going to go in. The question is who who? So
right now, you know, I maybe Seattle right now, Seattle's
in and I think Darnold but I but again, who
(29:36):
are the teams I'm taking out? So three teams I
think are gonna make it that aren't Curly in here
Read and Mahomes, Stafford, McVeigh and Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
You did not mention C. J. Stroud in Houston. You
crowned him a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Where he's not He's we gotta talk about the team
should he be in though? Not in that comvision? No? Interesting? No,
I I think the only team, like Shane Steichen's not
proven as a head coach. The only team you look
at and go, well, where's a great coach and a
great quarterback is Indy. It's a bad division and I
(30:11):
think their roster is so undervalued.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
It's early. Can you imagine a playoffs with no Mahomes,
no Burrow, and no Lamar Jacks.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
That's not happening. Mahomes is getting in, by the way.
Even if that's true, I would still get Josh Allen,
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Aaron Rodgers. Do you think he's an appointment viewing right now?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I think the Steelers with Aaron Rodgers would get a
huge playoff number. Yeah, I totally they get a number.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
But they're boring. Man. Have you watched them other than
that Jets game when they what over outfield?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Philadelphia is boring?
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Yeah, but they have great players Jalen or Hurt. They
just can't get them the ball. DeVonta Smith.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I think people are going to have to come to terms.
Here's the utter thing that's exciting. If you're the NFL.
The teams that are currently in Drake may Bock. Come on, No,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Aren't into them yet? The way they are loves people
like I'm just saying hot and cold. Man, I'm still
ticked about that he's not cold.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Where do you get the cold part?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
He hasn't been amazing. I think I might have a
ticket on him to win the MLB this season.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Hold on, let me look, no, I want to do
this real quick, hold on, I don't have it.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Jordan Love put the Packers schedule up.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
There had no timeout. Forget the schedule. Jordan Love this
year eight touchdowns, one pick and a one thirteen passer rating.
He was good against the Lions, by the way, with
Jayden Reid hurt, Christian Watson hurt, Zach tom Wright tackle hurt.
So the offense is all banged up. They played a
pretty good schedule and he's rolling. Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
He didn't roll against the Browns when they lost that
game out right in Cleveland?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Did he?
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Everybody rolls against its fields?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Was good yesterday? They have they had a stinker. This
is a week to week league. You don't know who
you're getting. I think the team that we both love,
but they don't look the same as Buffalo. That defense.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Yeah, well Milano and Oliver. They need those guys in
there in the middle. I think they could be right
for a trade. You know, you start picking some of
these bottom feeders off. Bengals starts selling parts right, some
of these defenders, if they have any good ones.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
No, I think Buffalo at the trade deadline has to
address the inability to stop.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
The run, especially with the Chief stinking this year. This
is your chance, Buffalo get to the super Bowl thinking
you heard it.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Stink.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Two and three are rotten.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Baseball playoffs next
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