October 8, 2025 • 45 mins
Aaron Judge delivers a clutch 3-run bomb to keep the Yankees alive in the ALDS vs. the Blue Jays — and Colin Cowherd says it’s the playoff moment Judge needed. Plus, what's going on in Philly? Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, and AJ Brown reportedly held a players-only meeting — but Colin explains why the Eagles’ offensive problems might run deeper than leadership talks can fix. FOX Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins Colin in studio to break down Arch Manning’s early struggles and preview Texas vs. Oklahoma in the Red River Rivalry
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh, it is a Wednesday. We got four baseball games today.
You like baseball? A four spot today, couple of big ones.
Last night, my Mariner, that World Series between the Brewers
and the Mariners. You thought it was unlikely one game closer.
It is Wednesday. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be,
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however you may be listening. We're live in LA for
Jmax Joel kladd in one hour. We were waiting me
at a on the show yesterday and a Rod said, listen,
it's not just and a Rod lived through this in
New York. It's not about getting base knocks. You need
a moment. Last night Aaron Judge Yeh finally had his moment.
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So the Yankees got smoked in the first two games
of this series. I don't think the Yankees gonna win
this series. I don't think they're starting pitching matches up
well with Toronto now. Toronto led major League Baseball in hits,
so it's not like they're not difficult on everybody. But
last night was classic. The Jays just own the Yankees
starting pitching now again, Toronto led Baseball in hits. So
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if you count the regular season. In the playoffs, the
Blue Jays have a six to one er against the
Yankee starters. And they took a six to one lead
last night and innings one through five, just innings one
through five. In the first three games, they scored twenty runs.
Carlos Rodin last night, this is a guy was He
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was a horse for the Yankees this year, eighteen wins, boom,
six runs, two and a third. So again, Jay's are
about in four thirty against the Yankee starters, and I
don't think you can win a series like this, forget
the bullpens. But it opened the door for the moment
for Judge. With two on in the fourth and Aaron
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stepped to the plate.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
On a two strike pitch, It's a drive down the mine.
If experiences movement, it's time, It says.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
The Yankees need Aaron Judge to deliver bombs. They're an
action movie. He's the lead. They don't play small ball.
They don't have a great bullpen. Otani's valuable to the Dodgers,
but he's not always necessary to be the lead. Aaron
Judge is the next inning, all that jazz, Jazz Chisholm,
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a guy that didn't play. Remember Game one against the
Red Sox, came back. Yeah, they missed him. Jazz Chisholm
came up next inning, followed what a swing? Rocked it
home run? The Yankees had a lead. The floodgates were opened,
and it was official New York was back in this series.
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But here's the thing about bullpens. The Yankees, Jays, Phillies,
and Dodgers, all their bullpens have been roughed up until
last night, when the Yankees bullpen did what every bullpen
from the big markets and off of the flashy teams,
the Phillies, the Yankees, the Dodgers, even the Jay's bullpen
not had a great postseason. Well, last night, the Yankees
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bullpen goes six and two thirds of scoreless baseball. And
you know, I don't know why bullpens are so bad
because everybody now so it's ninety eight miles an hour,
everybody throws gas out of the bullpen, and including the Yankees.
But last night it was about Aaron Judge having a
signature moment and once he did, Jazz Chisholme followed, next inning,
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Yankee bullpen came in. Now it's interesting Toronto's going with
a bullpen session today. They're gonna go with a bullpen start.
Not exactly sure why that that opens the door for
the Yankees, but the reality is runs will be scored
in this series. Last night was about a singular moment
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Aaron Judge, and here he was after.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Watching it fly.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Did you think it would stay?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Faud?
Speaker 6 (04:37):
You never know on her al one like that right
at the Bout Bowl, you don't thinkfully, the ghost kind
of took that one over.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And Kevin Fairfoor was a nice one.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Uh, there's no Bennick in this team, you know, especially
in the personning you know, to run over by doing
his thing again.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
The boys they locked in. Okay, Before I go to
the Seattle Mariners and I'm gonna go today to the
Seattle Mayor Runners, I want to talk about something that
happened yesterday in sports that I've always sort of rolled
my eyes at players only meetings. The seventy six ers
had one last year, the Bulls had one in Chicago,
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The Dolphins had one this year. How'd they all work out?
By the way, Oklahoma City had a team meeting at
half court to hoist a trophy. Player only meetings are
called lunch. If it lasts longer than that, you're in trouble,
sit down, have a ham sandwich after practice, chop it
up for fifteen twenty minutes. This thing yesterday between Saquon Barkley,
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AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts went about two hours. Nick
Wright and I talked about it yesterday. Oh boy, oh boy.
I wish my kids would have had a kid's only meeting.
That would have been funny. But my takeaway on this
is Jalen Hurts is a great quarterback, and he's got
some strengths including strength, maturity, mobility, But he's a non
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traditional quarterback. You know whose receivers love their quarterback, Tom Brady's,
Peyton Mannings, Baker Mayfield's. Those guys sit in the pocket
and throw darts. That's not what Jalen Hurts is. He's
a very unique quarterback that doesn't play the position like
the all time greats do. That doesn't mean he doesn't
have great traits or he's not a tremendous leader and
a tremendous quarterback, but he's going to struggle throughout his
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career with wide receivers because he's not really that guy.
And what's interesting about this drama in Philadelphia. In Week one,
AJ Brown had one target and I defended him. I said,
you got it, come on, you got to target him.
But in the last four weeks, AJ Brown, the star receiver,
has as many targets, believe it or not, as justin Jefferson.
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They're trying to get in the ball. They've over corrected,
and to me, it's getting in the way of the offense.
Remember last year Philadelphia had a buye. They came out
after the buy and decided we're going to throw less
and they never lost. They're now trying, you know, it's
the old square peg roundhole. They're trying to change their
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offense to appease AJ Brown. And you saw it last week.
At one point they trailed, they led Denver at one
point seventeen to three. And in that game, at one
point they ran the ball like, or excuse me, pass
the ball like eight nine straight times. That's not what
you do. Philadelphia is known for running the ball when
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they trail. So when Philadelphia leads at home by a
couple of touchdowns, you don't throw the ball eight nine
straight times. That's not what Philadelphia is. And so to me,
when I hear players only meeting, first of all, I
owas wonder how many teams did Jim Harbaugh have, or
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Belichick have, or Andy Reid have that needed to have
player only meetings with a winning record. I think Philadelphia
has got a coaching crisis. I think Sirianni is not
a scheme guy, so his teams are very coordinator dependent,
and they moved up a passing game coordinator who never
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called plays, and now the players are taking it in
under their own hands. Miami had one of these couple
of weeks ago. Two weeks later, Yeah, they lost to Carolina.
In fact, they blew a lead to Carolina. So I mean,
this is what Jalen hurts. Here's how the players only
meeting with three Stars went.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
It's just us talking about the collective, talking about taking
onnership for what we can and talking about how we
move forward as a team, so we continue to find
ways to win games. Is really just teammates being teammates.
I know this is a hungry group. I know we're hungry,
and I know we're excited for all the opportunity in
front of us to continue to improve. That's what matters most,
because we won't go out there and win as individuals,
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will go out there and win as.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
A team exactly. But this is an offense that signature
play looks like rugby. That's what they are, and it's
okay he and everybody should know it. But let's not
kid ourselves. In the last four weeks, they're targeting aj
Brown as much as Minnesota is targeting Justin Jefferson. They're trying,
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but Carson Wentz frankly, is a bigger pocket guy than
Jalen Hurts. He may be better in the pocket than
Jalen Hurts. Not Sandy's a better quarterback. But this has
always been a non traditional offense, so I think over
the course of Jalen's career he'll have issues with star
wide receivers. Baker doesn't, Tom didn't, Manning didn't. Their traditional quarterbacks.
(09:35):
So that's where we are this morning. Yeah, it's you know,
it's funny. And you know, as I'm watching and talking
about baseball, J Mac, it's really interesting. I don't remember
when I was a kid, When I was a kid,
and when I was a young adult, when I was
in college in my twenties and thirties, I don't remember
all these bullpen games. Baseball's had so many changes. But Toronto,
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you know, they get a buy in the first round,
so they're very well rested, and they have a two
to one series lead, and they're they're gonna go with
the bullpen game tonight, which is really interesting because you know,
let's New York potentially back into the series. But I
think Toronto is so confident with their batters against the
Yankee starters that they're like, well, we got through, we
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got through rod On to bring your best plus plus.
I mean, when you lead baseball in hits the entire sport.
I mean, you've really seen Toronto on display. The Yankee
starters can't get to the third and fourth.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Inning, Well, we know the guy tonight will, but they
could go quiet for two days and Yanks take the series.
I mean, would you really be shocked Toronto was up
six to one coming at that point, it fell over, right,
did it not?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Last night?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Six to one, come on on the road, felt like
it was a lock for Toronto. Well, awesome come back,
And you just wonder, does the momentum exist in baseball? Right?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Momentum is only the next day starting pitcher? Yeah? Yeah,
the Yankees starting pitching against the Blue Jays. The era
is sixteen. Toronto's hting four thirty nine and the Yankees
have surrendered four home runs and the Yankees are averaging
two point seven innings per start. So I think Toronto
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looks at it and thinks to themselves, well, we've got
a couple more games. We could score fifteen runs or
more in these two games.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Well, I look at Slitler, the guy who the hero
from the Boston.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Let the Boston's not Toronto. Boston does not have the
lineup of Toronto. Boston was missing one of their best pitchers.
Toronto right now is better than Boston then, so let's
and it took a deciding game against Boston. So I
think Toronto looks at it and thinks, you know, the
Yankees aren't a great defensive team. It's not base running,
it's basically, don't let Aaron Judge. Do what Aaron Judge
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did last night. That's what you do. The Yankees are
top heavy, They're uneven and last night Jazz and Aaron
made them pay. You want to put us take dinner
on tonight?
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yanks win, I got you Owemi sixteen oh maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Twenty Seking Cup numbers here okay. Also a story on
Arch Manning that bordered on insane and the Mariners A
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Speaker 1 (12:43):
I kind of take the Tigers will force a final game.
I think the Yankees Blue Jays. I know you think
Cam Schlitzler is gonna throw a no. No, Let's Jays
are not the Red Sox. Jays are lead baseball and.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Hits Slitler's turning into Roger Clemens's side.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay. Also, he comes off a great game, So now
there's a little bit of pressure because there's expectation. We're
watching him the other game and we're like, who's this guy.
I mean, Yankee fans knew who he was. He didn't.
His first start was in like July. Like he didn't.
So now now there's a little pressure. Now there's expectation.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
He's in. He's locked in, as the kids like to say,
lock in Cam Sluler.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, so we all know this for anybody listening in
their car, watching on TV or YouTube, all of us
are better when we have that one great boss. And
one of the things it's hard sometimes when you work
at a company that people are coming and going. You
got a new boss and they have a new worldview.
(13:46):
And I think one of the things that's really important
for young quarterbacks and all quarterbacks, do you have an
offensive coach. So if the coordinator leaves, you still have
an offensive coach, and offense of coaches have a different sensibility,
a softer touch with quarterbacks. So right now, Detroit's on pace.
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The Detroit Lions are on pace to score the most
points in the history of the NFL. Who's the quarterback,
Jared Goff And what's remarkable not that he leads the
NFL in completion percentage or passing touchdowns. He's on his
seventh offensive coordinator and he's had one bad season with
Jeff Fisher. Every other coach has worked two head coaches,
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seven coordinators. And I said this when he came out.
He's durable as hell. Guy never gets hurt. I mean
he is. He's the only quarterback to play every regular
season game, week one, at twenty twenty two until today.
He's the only one crazy durable. He got the you
know what kicked out of him. Mccal stood up ready
to play every next Saturday. Six', four great, mechanics seize the,
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field really. Accurate, Yes sean McVay got him to a Super.
Bowl but we didn't know If Dan campbell was a good.
Coach we didn't know he was an interim before and
everybody thought he was you Know he's kind of a
raw row. Guy seven. Coordinators Jared folks get used to
say hearing, This Jared goff's gonna be A hall Of.
Famer absolutely going to be A hall Of, famer no,
(15:13):
question no, question is going to be A hall Of.
Famer he plays in, rhythm he plays in, Structure he
got great. Genetics his dad played in The. Bigs Jared
goff is going to be A hall Of. Famer you're
gonna have to you guys out, there this is not
THE nba where style points. MATTER i, Mean westbrook is
a guard that can't. Shoot he'll make The hall Of
fame and should because his, Stylistically Russell westbrook athletically is
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so memorable and so. Unique he should make The hall Of.
Fame but he's a guard that doesn't shoot particularly, well
which is okay if you're a power forward in the,
seventies but you want your guards to shoot. Well and
that's not a knock On, westbrook first Ball hall Of.
Famer but a lot of you guys get caught up
on style That this is not THE. Nba style doesn't.
(15:58):
Matter style matters in. Basketball basketball is a more artistic. Sport.
Basketball everybody's jump Shot birds look different Than, kobe's looked
different Than, michael's looked different Than doctor j looked different
Than Steph. Curry it's a style. Sport it. Matters you
can be A hall Of famer and never win a playoff,
game but in THE nfl you. Can't you got to
win playoff. Games and SO i know. This you think
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this is an outrageous. COMMENT i have Seen. Goff go
back to the game in Which Jared goff as a
ram Outdueled Patrick mahomes and go look At Jared goff's
receivers in that. Game there was no, pooka. Right So
Jared goff's a really good. Player and if you ever
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here's another. Thing have you ever noticed With Jared goff
that his coordinators get head coaching. Jobs he's like a
stimulus package every coordinator he. Has everybody's, like, man that's
a good. Coordinator, yeah because they Have Jared. Goff right,
now he's completing over seventy five percent of his. Throws, well,
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well he's got a good old. Line so to The,
colts so to The Denver, broncos so to The Philadelphia,
eagles and they can't get their offense. Right philadelphia has
got the best offensive line in. Football they can't, pass
they can't. Run Jared goff's completing seventy five percent of
his throws passer rating at one twenty. One he's not real,
mobile he's not real. Stylish whatever you, Think i'm, Crazy
(17:27):
Jared goff's in his. Prime this offensive line in this front.
Office they just drafted interior offensive. Lineman they're not getting
rid Of Pennay. Seool this offensive line's going nowhere. Nowhere
rams his former team have offensive line, Issues lions. Won't
Here's Taylor, decker offensive. Tackle on what you get big
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praise for.
Speaker 9 (17:51):
Golf we get a superstar quarterback who can do, everything
make every, throw knows the whole, playbook knows the, defenses prepares,
incredibly and he's afraid to take a. Hit you, know
we don't want him to get, it but if he has,
to he's not.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Afraid go back to his YouTube is Cow. GAMES i
watched him get ragdalled at Cal bad offensive. Lines the
guy kept standing up and taking the. Hits you think
WHEN i say That Jared goff's A hall Of, famer
all of you are, like, whoa, whoa. Whoa it's not
even gonna be. Close he got to A Super. Bowl
go look at his. Numbers they're. Insane he's Like Kirk
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cousins with a much better. Arm He's Matt ryan with
a much better. Arm there's an Argument goff's got the
best mechanics in the. League he has great, mechanics super.
Accurate no we go and, again well he's got a
good old. Line so Does. Philadelphia they can't figure out
half their. Offense sort of The, colts sort of The.
Broncos he's second in touchdown passes since twenty. Seventeen Jared goff.
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Second you know What i'm. Saying he's making The hall Of.
Fame joel klapt who will make the Broadcasting hall Of?
Fame he is around the corner hour two and A,
Wednesday It's The.
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
Great to be.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Back Joel klast's gonna be joining us in a couple of.
Minutes all fired up SO i saw this right, now
there's it's not an. ANOMALY i think this is the
future of THE. Nfl So jmac right, now this is
this is. Incredible there are fifteen CURRENT nfl, quarterbacks almost
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half the, lead with a passer rating over one. Hundred,
okay last year it was, eleven the year before it was.
Six in we will complain about quarterback. Play this is
the best it's ever been in my. LIFE i think
there are three reasons why it's the Best i've ever
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seen in my. Life Number, one the. Coaching there's never
been this many great young. Coaches These sean mcvays are
And kevin O'Connell's their, teachers their, mentors and it's like
we got like Seven Sean payton And Andy reid's out
there who are very good. Mentors so the, coaching the
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young quarterback, COACHING i, mean Watch Trevor Lawrence monday With Liam.
Cohen he's a flawed. Quarterback this's the, best most, COMFORTABLE i,
think well, comfortable they kind of go back and, forth
but it's the Best Trevor lawrence has ever. Been so the,
coaching there's just more smart guys. Coaching, secondly quarterbacks are
getting personal coaching seven on, seven they just have more
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snaps coming out of. COLLEGE i Mean bonis had sixty
one college, Stars Jaden daniels fifty, five Brock perty had almost.
Fifty and that doesn't count the seven on seven, coaching
the summer. Stuff so the quarterbacks come in with more,
reps more, completions more, attempts better. Coaching and the third
thing that doesn't get talked about is that because almost
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all quarterbacks not Named stafford And Jared goff are, mobile
and because they're, mobile you have to play zone. Defense
now in THE, nfl you can't turn your back on a,
quarterback and so zone defense allows for quarterbacks to hit.
Spots so quarterbacks have better coaches to hit. Spots more
starts coming into THE nfl to hit, spots and they're
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good at hitting. Spots they're not having the new you. Know,
Now Aaron rodgers is still a guy that throws the
Great bret back. Shoulder Aaron rodgers is so precise it.
Works you. Know he can not only hit the, spots
But aaron has a way of throwing guys. Open not
a lot of quarterbacks. Do there are not a lot
Of Aaron. Rodgers Tom brady was talking about it this past,
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weekend AND i don't care what THE pff number. SAYS
i Think aaron's playing, small great. Football here Was tom
this weekend beyond.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
Impressed AND i think at that age there's so many
other factors that come into play about how to be
a great. Quarterback and you, know we all want to
talk about what happens in the offseason with, him and
there's some things that are there's a lot of narratives out.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
There, yeah there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That it's a little.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Different but what we know about him on.
Speaker 10 (22:19):
The field is he's a surgical, passer he's got a killer,
instinct he's hyper, competitive AND i think he's brought all
those things To.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Pittsburgh and look at these numbers in the last three years.
Alone in twenty twenty, three one quarterback completed seventy plus
percent of his. Throws last year, five this year. Nine
now it may end up being six or. Seven one
hundred plus passer. Ratings three years, ago, six last year,
eleven now. Fifteen now we've had very nice warm fall
(22:50):
weather that helps. Too good weather helps. Quarterbacks buffalo Played New.
England it's eighty, okay so some years it's forty six
and it's, windy but the quality of quarterback, play the coaching's.
Better the kids are getting personal coaching and more, snaps
and everybody's playing. Zone and when you're playing, zone it
for some of these, guys like The bakers that have
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been around in this league, forever it's a lot of
pitch and catch if you get the right. Coach and with,
That Joel, clatt the voice of college football On Fox,
sports is JOINING us. Live he'll Have Ohio state Against.
Illinois good to see, you by the, WAY i saw
yesterday there was an HOUR i thought it was way
too harsh on Arch. Manning The athletic had an, article
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is he the first? Flop AND i pointed, out BECAUSE
i like high school football, recruiting fifty percent of the
five star quarterbacks miss. Badly, sure a couple of years
AGO us he had, one and then he's At Boise,
state that he's At UTEP's, like that's actually what happens
all the. TIME i don't think Arch manning is. FLOPPED
i think he is the. Reality if you think it's
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hard FOR nfl gms to figure out what twenty two
year olds can, play what do you think it's like
For sar trying to figure out what sixteen and seventeen
year olds can. PLAY i think the transition high school
to college is tougher than college to the pros for.
Speaker 11 (24:07):
QUARTERBACKS i think the expectations were, there though only because
he started a couple of games last year look, good he's.
Run this is his third, year you, know SO i
think everyone thought that he was going to come out
and play better than he, has and he. Hasn't arch
has not played well at, all And texas has not played.
Well and that's the other part is that they're not
doing really anything. Well the offensive, line which was rebuilt
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this year after a veteran group a year, ago they
have not protected him at. All when they do protect,
him he doesn't throw the ball, well they can't run
it very. Well sark talked about that after that game
Against florida last week that they. Lost so the offensive
line doesn't give him much. Help the wide RECEIVERS i
think are taking a step down as a. Group, right
let's just say from what they have had over the
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last couple of. Years and, then, yeah he just has
not played very good. Football and it's a dangerous week
because their backs are against The. Wall they've got to
win to keep themselves alive in the college football playoff.
Conversation and they're going up against a team THAT i
think has a better defense Than florida and a better
defensive line Than. Florida so how much pressure Is art's
going to be under from that defensive line FOR ou
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and The Red river? Game you, know they could be
in for another route awakening this. Week and here's the other.
Part if you look at what they've done AGAINST fbs,
competition it's like, nothing, Nothing so there's no evidence that
would lead you to believe that this is going to
turn around all of a. Sudden it's not like they've
had some performance against a good team that would lead
you to believe that all of a sudden it's going
to get.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Better you, know in a weird, WAY i was thinking
about this this morning driving In in a weird, way
the pressure's Off sark BECAUSE i think the public thinks
you can't bench A, manning so all the heat goes To.
Arch any other quarterback with this, Record sark would be getting.
Crushed but the public knows you can't bench A, manning
(25:55):
even though you, could because the family totally gets AND
i think it's taken nobody's banging On. Sark it's, true
AND i think, so not that he's a winner in
this he wants to, win but a in a strange
sort of. Galaxy it's taken heat Off.
Speaker 11 (26:10):
Sark, yeah BUT i do think the only PUSHBACK i
would give is that they're starting the narrative is starting
to build For sark around big, games and that that
he does not win those big, games similar to how
it's built now game last decade For James. Franklin that's exactly,
right and so those are games that they've got to
start performing a lot. Better even even last year in the.
(26:31):
Playoff you, know, yes they got to a point where
they were playing in a really tight, game in a
great game Against Ohio, state but you could you could
claim that they may be underperformed Against Arizona state and
we're lucky to get away from that game in an
overtime game when they had to have a fourth down
conversion to do. It texas right now is not playing
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near to their. ABILITY i think that falls on their,
quarterback but it also falls on their head, coach and
he knows That sark knows that they have got to get.
Better part of the main issue is the offensive. Line
and when your offensive line is not playing well and
you're struggling at, quarterback it's a terrible.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Combination that's exactly what's going. ON i will say this
weekend before the, Show jason comes, up what do you
want to talk about With? Clatt AND i, Said clatt
And nile just let her. Rip but one thing that
is really important is THAT usc has the right. Ad
they've spent a lot of. Money AND i always Defended
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Lincoln riley With Alex grinch and when the nil they
couldn't figure it out for like three. Years, yeah they
were spending the money. Wrong that they have them this is.
True now they got a lot of. Money AND i,
said this game Against michigan is A Lincoln riley defining.
Game oh, interesting you're putting that on this. WEEKEND i
think it's. Huge, okay, Okay so and not a good
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matchup for. Them, well it's at home that. Matters in
college that's a, touchdown and especially coming all the way.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
West we've seen that in The Big ten where the
travels has been an issue for, teams But Notre dame
follows and their quarterback right now is on.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Fire, YEAH. Cj carr is playing. Great they're not Beating
oregon And. Eugene just that's not. Happening you would doubt.
It you would doubt. It you lose this, weekend you
might as well put four losses. Down And i'm not
talking At. Nebraska i'm not talking about. That you're out
of the. Playoff and my take is this, Team michigan's.
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Physical they have got to meet. Them That illinois, game,
well we haven't seen. That what if they're just what
if it's this Hole lincoln runs this speed offense and
it doesn't matter what the personnel, Is they're never going
to be a punch in the mouth. Program. Well, see the.
Speaker 11 (28:40):
Only PUSHBACK i would give on that is that they
were At oklahoma Under Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Riley they could run.
Speaker 11 (28:45):
It they could run it really, well and in a
few of those years when he was the head, coach
they actually had the best offensive line In, america won
The Joe More.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Award how does their defense their defense? Struggle, okay so
that's my.
Speaker 11 (28:56):
Point AND i will say this, though that we have
Not LIKE i just said, that there's no evidence to
suggest That texas would all of a sudden play great this, Weekend,
right especially on the offensive. Side there's not a ton
of evidence right now that would suggest THAT usc is
all of a sudden going to match the physicality of
a team Like.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Michigan we haven't seen.
Speaker 11 (29:15):
That whether they've been on the, road whether they've been at,
home they've struggled with. That so they've had to outskill
people a lot of the, times and it didn't Do
it didn't work.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Out think about The illinois. Game you were at amos
of that, game, brutal and you know What illinois.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
Did they went back to the drawing board and they,
said you know, what why don't we just see if
they're tough enough and.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
We're going to run right at.
Speaker 11 (29:35):
Them and they couldn't handle, that couldn't handle. It so
from a matchup, standpoint if you're sitting there and You're
sharon more in The university Of michigan and you're that
program that runs the ball, well, heck they had one
hundred yard rusher last, Week Justice hayes against the number
one rushing defense in the. COUNTRY i Know wisconsin's not
a great, team but that element of their team is pretty,
good and they ran the ball, well at least at
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times Against. Wisconsin If you're sitting there and You're, michigan
and you're building a game, plan aren't you looking your
chops saying to, Yourself we're going to run right at this. Crew,
NOW i would say this in USC's defense or in their.
Corner If i'm building a game plan Against, Michigan i'm
going to try to throw the. Football, Yeah i'm gonna
try to get away from their, rush throw the football
and try to outscale them on the. Outside that's exactly
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WHAT usc can. Do so this one is a clash of. Styles,
YES i think it's a really important game for both.
Programs styles make. Fights the difference Is michigan is a Recent,
Natty michigan's recruiting is. Elite nobody Questions michigan's. Toughness that's,
Right AND i think that's the question right now FOR
usc is can they line up and play a physical
brand of?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Football, now.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
We'll, see we'll. See but, AGAIN i just go back
to this level of. Evidence DO i THINK usc is
going to be able to Stop michigan from running the?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Football? No and that's the. Answer the answer is. No
CAN i vet a little bit? Here sure? IS i
try to be, optimistic BUT i can be like everybody.
ELSE i can times don't get. Angry sure can the
coaches on The west coast stop complaining about these big
ten coaches all the? Travel you got four, roadies all
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you big powerhouse, schools never go on the road out of.
Conference you got four. Roadies one may have bad. Weather
give me a. Break we wanted the big ten.
Speaker 11 (31:21):
PAGE I i typically agree, because, well what's the? Alternative you?
Know and EVEN i won't name any, names but like
when they do say, THAT i think to. THEM i
always think to, myself would you like to Join Washington
state In Oregon?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
State like how's it working out for? Them? Like what
was the? Alternative prime? Example, so AND i think about
this all the. TIME i SOMETIMES i. Complained so YESTERDAY
i ran into the big cheese. Upstairs, Okay AND i
don't love this Whole chicago la flying back and. Forth,
wait you just said you didn't like people that complain about, Travel, okay,
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EXCEPTION i don't LIKE i don't like getting on a,
plane But i'm. Not i'm sitting there with the big.
Cheese that guy flies two hundred and seventy times a, year,
okay And i'm, like get over. Yourself that guy's on
a plane con he's on a plane. Content so my
take is THE nfl, GUYS i mean it just you're
constantly traveling the other week and it's, brutal and you're
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kicking different time, zones and you got, parents and you
got you got grandma living in the, basement you got
your your. Family college guys are like having a good
time and then they travel four times a.
Speaker 11 (32:29):
YEAR i will say SO i know this for a
fact when When Ohio state went To washington earlier this.
Year now they have a basis for this because they
traveled out before The Rose bowl and THE cfp just
two days. Early it wasn't like a true bowl game
experience where they were out there for the entire. Week
so they treated, it you, know like like THE cfp
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and went out a day Or. Orlando Michigan state has
done that as, well but they used it actually as
like a defining or a benefit thing for their.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Program we're going to go out there and do something.
Speaker 11 (33:02):
Specific from a team, buildings you've got to take THE
i don't need the, adversity if you want to call it.
That you've got to take what's in front of you
and look for ways to make it work for. You
how is this advantageous for? YOU i think you have
to spin it.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Positively it's like when you're traveling with your, kids you're,
like you, know you tell your, wife hey, MAN i
love the. Airport whenever you're going to See grandma and
you get in the car with your, kids what do you, Say, hey,
guys the food's going to be, great peanut butter and joy,
sadvwiches movies so. Much but you don't go it's going
to be a long. Drive you, LITERALLY i Asked Brett musburger.
Speaker 11 (33:40):
ONE i don't love when coaches put the seed in
their player's mind early in the week and it's, like
this is.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Tough we don't have, this we don't have. That you're
giving them an, out you're giving them an. Excuse years,
AGO i did an event With Brett, mussburger it must
have been fifteen years, ago AND i said looking live
And i'm, like how do You you're like these small?
Markets how do you? Travel how do you do? It
and he, goes young. MAN i was, like, fifty young,
MAN i don't know Where i'm going Until. Thursday he's,
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LIKE i don't know the next. ASSIGNMENT i just won
assignment in a, time And i'm, like that's a great
way to look At. Trapps, sure so stop complaining because
oh we gotta flight To. Seattle you're not flying To.
Pasco it's a big city with a big.
Speaker 11 (34:23):
Airport, WELL i tend to, agree AND i think that
the coaches that don't make it a big, deal it
doesn't become a big deal for their.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Players, Okay Penn, state we gotta be honest about. It
here's the. Thing, Okay i'm Gonna i'm gonna Tell i'm
gonna name the top six programs in the. Country, okay
in terms of, revenue what you can, pay coaching, staffs
your quality of. Recruiting all, Right, Georgia Ohio, State, texas,
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Boy Notre dame's, good he, SAID i would, SAY i
would throw out l S, U, lsu Probably, michigan Maybe.
Tennessee i'll Put tennessee in AND i don't Know michigan's AND,
il But i'll Say. Michigan so let's that's that's the top.
Five PROBABLY usc well right now with there AN. Il,
Yes i'm gonna bang on those programs if you're seven And,
(35:20):
Oregon oregon because Of Phil knight's, Money oregon absolutely is the. Top,
yeah but they've got no. Recruiting, yeah but they buy.
Them who can't reach you that those days are? Over
just go buy. It, okay you know there's a reason
they Are. Wisconsin the difference is they have uniforms And
Phil knight They're. Oregon they don't have any. Players so
what's wrong with these? Programs? Nothing But i'm gonna hold
those programs to a different standard Then i'm gonna Hold
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Penn state and what you're giving them an? Out i'm
saying With Penn, state you can't lose to own FOR.
Ucla you can't give them out. Day you can't give them.
Out you can't give them an, Out like what do
we don't give them an? Out i'm just SAYING i
don't Hold Penn state To georgia standards Or Ohio state.
Speaker 11 (36:01):
STANDARD i, mean requiring them to beat an zero and
four team is not holding them To georgia's standard.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Or Ohio state standard was not a good first. HALF
i mean if you're.
Speaker 11 (36:10):
Holding them to those that, standard then you would require
them to Beat oregon as the higher ranked and favorite
team at home and what is the most elite environment
in college football See here's the here's the problem with
what went on On saturday is that they Allowed oregon
to beat them. Twice and what's going on right now
At Penn state is that the match between what they're
trying to do schematically really on both, sides but more
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specifically on the offensive side doesn't fit what their players do.
Best they're running an, offense you know For Tim tebow
And Drew aller is back, there and it's, like, well
those those two things aren't the same. Thing running quarterback
read you, know power on fourth down With Drew aller
with the game on the line is probably not the best.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
DECISION i, MEAN ucla was all over. There they were all.
Speaker 11 (36:55):
Over it was a great defensive call on their. Part you,
know the wide receiver corps At Penn state is wildly.
Underperformed they have over the last few, years and they've
even changed out the wide receivers that have been. There
they don't get off a bump, coverage they don't run
their routes, hard they don't provide clean. Pictures you, KNOW
i made the argument on my show that what would
IF i WOULD i what would you say IF i
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told you that the best player in A Penn state
uniform On, saturday and that loss was Drew.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Aller he.
Speaker 11 (37:23):
Was he was the only reason that they were in the.
Game the problem was is that their scheme doesn't fit
what he does. Best and then he's got it all
of a sudden escape and run for four or five first,
downs which he, did but it's not who he, is
and he does that and he keeps them in the,
game and then they don't allow him to do what
he's best, at and that's what Ultimately james has got
to figure that. Out And James franklin knows, that and
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he understands that they've got to get better immediately because
they still have to go To Ohio, state they still
have to Host, indiana and they're already sitting on two.
Losses So saturday was one of those inexplicable things For Penn.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
State it cannot.
Speaker 11 (37:57):
Happen AND i don't think it's it's holding them to
too high a standard to, say like those are games
that not only are devastating that you, lose you cannot
lose those.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Games so for, YEARS i think THE nfl sort of
looked down on college. Football sure quality isn't very, Good
and now they run all of their. Offenses they're not.
Funny BUT i think guys Like belichick are Like saturday.
Football so there is a little bit of college football
(38:31):
looking At belichick right now and, going, oh how's it going?
Speaker 5 (38:35):
There.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Cham i'll tell you, THIS i think college football coaches
love That belichick is doing a belly. Flop this thing
is a. Mess it doesn't look, good and they what
college football coaches have always said is we're dealing with
nineteen year olds and their parents and donors and boosters
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and the GOOFY. Ncaa college football coaching you don't get.
Vacations well, No and it's also more of A ceo
role than it is a head coaching. Role it's it's
less about football than you would actually. Anticipate. Now, now
some are great at, both you, know AND i Think
kirby's great at. BOTH i Think Ryan day is great at.
BOTH i Think Dan landing is is, greater Said Chris
peterson was great at bull.
Speaker 11 (39:15):
Unbelievable but you've got to be an executive and, now
more than, anything you got to wear all the. Hats,
so for, instance you, know right after the, season you've
got to spend three days meeting with every single player
and every single agent and talking about the revenue, share
what line of the you, know line of the revenue
share you're going to. Get AND i thought that because
college football has become more, transactional that it was actually
a good time For Bill belichick to get into college.
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Football and WHILE i still kind of agree with, that
and maybe this will turn out better going, forward but right,
now there's just not a cohesiveness and connection with WHAT
i see on the field and What i'm Sure i'm
you know he's being is being said during meetings and
everything that is not.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Connecting he's a very gruff. Guys it's Not Charlie weiss,
failed but it's not what's THE. Nfl.
Speaker 11 (40:00):
Though let me Just Charlie weiss wasn't great in, college
although he had pockets of. Success like With Will, Brady
charlie was AND i Know charlie AND i like.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
It he was.
Speaker 11 (40:08):
Gruff but there are guys that are having, success you,
know like Like chip came back and had success with
With Ohio, state but Like Jeff haffley came To Ohio
state and now he's in THE nfl and done. Well
think of those defensive oriented coaches that came From baltimore
to help Out, harrorball Like mike McDonald who's now In
seattle And Jesse mentors now the coordinator er. Guys Though
(40:29):
Matt patricia comes to THE nfl and what is he.
Doing he's really succeeding With Ohio state number one defense
in the. Country SO i don't want to put like
a blanket statement of, like, oh THE nfl guys they
come down here and they don't know how to, work
because some of them are doing it really really well
At North. Carolina right, now it's just not. Connecting there's
no cohesiveness right now with what you, know the messages
(40:51):
and what you're seeing on the.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Field so the best two teams in the, COUNTRY i
don't think it's that. Difficult Are Ohio state One oregon.
TWO i think you have to Put miami in that. Conversation. Three,
okay they looked a part NO sec teams in that you,
know the THE sec this year is deeper than they
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have been in the.
Speaker 11 (41:14):
Past that you, know they had a run where they
were so elite at the, top man, like so elite
at the. TOP i don't think that there's the great
team in THE sec this, year but there's a lot
of really good. Teams the best team might Be TEXAS
a AND, m might Be Ole. Miss you, KNOW i
think that we're going to find out a lot about
THE sec this weekend When bama goes To.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Missouri about how about, This. Indiana go look at the.
Spread indiana is going to Play. Oregon not a not
a big. SPREAD i think it's what four and a?
Half what does that tell you About? INDIANA i Think
indiana's a really good. Team, yeah, Clearly. YEAH i MEAN
i Saw illinois play. Fifth let me put it to
(41:54):
you this, WAY i get labeled a big ten. Guy
indiana is the equivalent to me of A missouri or
An Ole. Miss at Least vegas is telling you at Least,
yeah there's no.
Speaker 11 (42:07):
Doubt So vegas is telling. You If Ole miss went To,
oregon it'd be four points Per, yeah that's absolutely. Right
indiana would be just doing exactly the. Same indiana is
just as good As oklahoma Or Ole miss Or TEXAS
a AND.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
M those guys went To, austin what would the line?
Speaker 11 (42:21):
Be and For indiana if any of those teams went To,
indiana that team is incredible at, home you, Know and
and there is Listen they're always going to get a
little bit of a narrative bump down. There there's no,
doubt but there's there is no questioning the fact that
at the top they're not quite as good as what
they have been and they're deeper in the middle this,
year and who knows how that is all going to play.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Out don't don't Crush indiana for The Notre dame name last.
Year they have made a. Move they're better than last.
YEAR i think they are. WELL i think they. Are
they're they're they're they're more, explosive AND i think they
have more good.
Speaker 11 (42:54):
Play this will this will tell us a lot About
indiana because this is a very difficult place to play
against WHAT i think is an elite college football team In,
oregon And Dan lanning will have those guys ready to.
Go there's there's no doubt about. It BUT i Think
indiana is going to have a chance in that. Game
it's good. Scene it's great to see. YOU i know
the travels hard for, you but good to see. YOU
i don't want to complain about.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
It, NO i.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Don't don't put that seed in the staff's, head you, Know,
NO i mean these guys are, spoiled are? They we're
like an indie band with a great. BUDGET i, Mean
i'm just there out there partying every, night having a good.
Time there's no structure to any of this except they.
All you, know we have a big. Budget i'll tell you.
What that's level five leadership folks right there and just
bang on the.
Speaker 11 (43:34):
Staff you guys have it easy WHEN i show, up
and you'll work hard for.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Them WHEN i show up in the, Morning i'm just.
PRAYING i see. Cars half the time they're, here half
the time they're. NOT i never know what's. Happening that's, okay,
Good it's great to see. You but four baseball games, Today,
oh it's going to be great for base gonna be. Great.
Yeah how about The yankees? Win that was. Nice they're
not winning that, series you don't think. So they're. Starting
pitching is getting. CRUSH i can see That toronto is
(44:03):
a good. Team didn't you play minor league? BASEBALL i
did for three.
Speaker 11 (44:06):
Seasons, well who was the, Organization? Padres they dodged a.
Bullet i'm barely hit over The mendoza. Line that was
a quick exit back to. College, yeah, well what are
you gonna?
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Oh, it is a Wednesday. We got four baseball games today.
You like baseball? A four spot today, couple of big ones.
Last night, my Mariner, that World Series between the Brewers
and the Mariners. You thought it was unlikely one game closer.
It is Wednesday. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be,
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however you may be listening. We're live in LA for
Jmax Joel kladd in one hour. We were waiting me
at a on the show yesterday and a Rod said, listen,
it's not just and a Rod lived through this in
New York. It's not about getting base knocks. You need
a moment. Last night Aaron Judge Yeh finally had his moment.
(01:15):
So the Yankees got smoked in the first two games
of this series. I don't think the Yankees gonna win
this series. I don't think they're starting pitching matches up
well with Toronto now. Toronto led major League Baseball in hits,
so it's not like they're not difficult on everybody. But
last night was classic. The Jays just own the Yankees
starting pitching now again, Toronto led Baseball in hits. So
(01:37):
if you count the regular season. In the playoffs, the
Blue Jays have a six to one er against the
Yankee starters. And they took a six to one lead
last night and innings one through five, just innings one
through five. In the first three games, they scored twenty runs.
Carlos Rodin last night, this is a guy was He
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was a horse for the Yankees this year, eighteen wins, boom,
six runs, two and a third. So again, Jay's are
about in four thirty against the Yankee starters, and I
don't think you can win a series like this, forget
the bullpens. But it opened the door for the moment
for Judge. With two on in the fourth and Aaron
(02:19):
stepped to the plate.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
On a two strike pitch, It's a drive down the mine.
If experiences movement, it's time, It says.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
The Yankees need Aaron Judge to deliver bombs. They're an
action movie. He's the lead. They don't play small ball.
They don't have a great bullpen. Otani's valuable to the Dodgers,
but he's not always necessary to be the lead. Aaron
Judge is the next inning, all that jazz, Jazz Chisholm,
(02:58):
a guy that didn't play. Remember Game one against the
Red Sox, came back. Yeah, they missed him. Jazz Chisholm
came up next inning, followed what a swing? Rocked it
home run? The Yankees had a lead. The floodgates were opened,
and it was official New York was back in this series.
(03:20):
But here's the thing about bullpens. The Yankees, Jays, Phillies,
and Dodgers, all their bullpens have been roughed up until
last night, when the Yankees bullpen did what every bullpen
from the big markets and off of the flashy teams,
the Phillies, the Yankees, the Dodgers, even the Jay's bullpen
not had a great postseason. Well, last night, the Yankees
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bullpen goes six and two thirds of scoreless baseball. And
you know, I don't know why bullpens are so bad
because everybody now so it's ninety eight miles an hour,
everybody throws gas out of the bullpen, and including the Yankees.
But last night it was about Aaron Judge having a
signature moment and once he did, Jazz Chisholme followed, next inning,
(04:08):
Yankee bullpen came in. Now it's interesting Toronto's going with
a bullpen session today. They're gonna go with a bullpen start.
Not exactly sure why that that opens the door for
the Yankees, but the reality is runs will be scored
in this series. Last night was about a singular moment
(04:29):
Aaron Judge, and here he was after.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Watching it fly.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Did you think it would stay?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Faud?
Speaker 6 (04:37):
You never know on her al one like that right
at the Bout Bowl, you don't thinkfully, the ghost kind
of took that one over.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And Kevin Fairfoor was a nice one.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Uh, there's no Bennick in this team, you know, especially
in the personning you know, to run over by doing
his thing again.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
The boys they locked in. Okay, Before I go to
the Seattle Mariners and I'm gonna go today to the
Seattle Mayor Runners, I want to talk about something that
happened yesterday in sports that I've always sort of rolled
my eyes at players only meetings. The seventy six ers
had one last year, the Bulls had one in Chicago,
(05:16):
The Dolphins had one this year. How'd they all work out?
By the way, Oklahoma City had a team meeting at
half court to hoist a trophy. Player only meetings are
called lunch. If it lasts longer than that, you're in trouble,
sit down, have a ham sandwich after practice, chop it
up for fifteen twenty minutes. This thing yesterday between Saquon Barkley,
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AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts went about two hours. Nick
Wright and I talked about it yesterday. Oh boy, oh boy.
I wish my kids would have had a kid's only meeting.
That would have been funny. But my takeaway on this
is Jalen Hurts is a great quarterback, and he's got
some strengths including strength, maturity, mobility, But he's a non
(06:00):
traditional quarterback. You know whose receivers love their quarterback, Tom Brady's,
Peyton Mannings, Baker Mayfield's. Those guys sit in the pocket
and throw darts. That's not what Jalen Hurts is. He's
a very unique quarterback that doesn't play the position like
the all time greats do. That doesn't mean he doesn't
have great traits or he's not a tremendous leader and
a tremendous quarterback, but he's going to struggle throughout his
(06:23):
career with wide receivers because he's not really that guy.
And what's interesting about this drama in Philadelphia. In Week one,
AJ Brown had one target and I defended him. I said,
you got it, come on, you got to target him.
But in the last four weeks, AJ Brown, the star receiver,
has as many targets, believe it or not, as justin Jefferson.
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They're trying to get in the ball. They've over corrected,
and to me, it's getting in the way of the offense.
Remember last year Philadelphia had a buye. They came out
after the buy and decided we're going to throw less
and they never lost. They're now trying, you know, it's
the old square peg roundhole. They're trying to change their
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offense to appease AJ Brown. And you saw it last week.
At one point they trailed, they led Denver at one
point seventeen to three. And in that game, at one
point they ran the ball like, or excuse me, pass
the ball like eight nine straight times. That's not what
you do. Philadelphia is known for running the ball when
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they trail. So when Philadelphia leads at home by a
couple of touchdowns, you don't throw the ball eight nine
straight times. That's not what Philadelphia is. And so to me,
when I hear players only meeting, first of all, I
owas wonder how many teams did Jim Harbaugh have, or
(07:48):
Belichick have, or Andy Reid have that needed to have
player only meetings with a winning record. I think Philadelphia
has got a coaching crisis. I think Sirianni is not
a scheme guy, so his teams are very coordinator dependent,
and they moved up a passing game coordinator who never
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called plays, and now the players are taking it in
under their own hands. Miami had one of these couple
of weeks ago. Two weeks later, Yeah, they lost to Carolina.
In fact, they blew a lead to Carolina. So I mean,
this is what Jalen hurts. Here's how the players only
meeting with three Stars went.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
It's just us talking about the collective, talking about taking
onnership for what we can and talking about how we
move forward as a team, so we continue to find
ways to win games. Is really just teammates being teammates.
I know this is a hungry group. I know we're hungry,
and I know we're excited for all the opportunity in
front of us to continue to improve. That's what matters most,
because we won't go out there and win as individuals,
(08:49):
will go out there and win as.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
A team exactly. But this is an offense that signature
play looks like rugby. That's what they are, and it's
okay he and everybody should know it. But let's not
kid ourselves. In the last four weeks, they're targeting aj
Brown as much as Minnesota is targeting Justin Jefferson. They're trying,
(09:11):
but Carson Wentz frankly, is a bigger pocket guy than
Jalen Hurts. He may be better in the pocket than
Jalen Hurts. Not Sandy's a better quarterback. But this has
always been a non traditional offense, so I think over
the course of Jalen's career he'll have issues with star
wide receivers. Baker doesn't, Tom didn't, Manning didn't. Their traditional quarterbacks.
(09:35):
So that's where we are this morning. Yeah, it's you know,
it's funny. And you know, as I'm watching and talking
about baseball, J Mac, it's really interesting. I don't remember
when I was a kid, When I was a kid,
and when I was a young adult, when I was
in college in my twenties and thirties, I don't remember
all these bullpen games. Baseball's had so many changes. But Toronto,
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you know, they get a buy in the first round,
so they're very well rested, and they have a two
to one series lead, and they're they're gonna go with
the bullpen game tonight, which is really interesting because you know,
let's New York potentially back into the series. But I
think Toronto is so confident with their batters against the
Yankee starters that they're like, well, we got through, we
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got through rod On to bring your best plus plus.
I mean, when you lead baseball in hits the entire sport.
I mean, you've really seen Toronto on display. The Yankee
starters can't get to the third and fourth.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Inning, Well, we know the guy tonight will, but they
could go quiet for two days and Yanks take the series.
I mean, would you really be shocked Toronto was up
six to one coming at that point, it fell over, right,
did it not?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Last night?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Six to one, come on on the road, felt like
it was a lock for Toronto. Well, awesome come back,
And you just wonder, does the momentum exist in baseball? Right?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Momentum is only the next day starting pitcher? Yeah? Yeah,
the Yankees starting pitching against the Blue Jays. The era
is sixteen. Toronto's hting four thirty nine and the Yankees
have surrendered four home runs and the Yankees are averaging
two point seven innings per start. So I think Toronto
(11:12):
looks at it and thinks to themselves, well, we've got
a couple more games. We could score fifteen runs or
more in these two games.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Well, I look at Slitler, the guy who the hero
from the Boston.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Let the Boston's not Toronto. Boston does not have the
lineup of Toronto. Boston was missing one of their best pitchers.
Toronto right now is better than Boston then, so let's
and it took a deciding game against Boston. So I
think Toronto looks at it and thinks, you know, the
Yankees aren't a great defensive team. It's not base running,
it's basically, don't let Aaron Judge. Do what Aaron Judge
(11:45):
did last night. That's what you do. The Yankees are
top heavy, They're uneven and last night Jazz and Aaron
made them pay. You want to put us take dinner
on tonight?
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yanks win, I got you Owemi sixteen oh maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
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Speaker 1 (12:43):
I kind of take the Tigers will force a final game.
I think the Yankees Blue Jays. I know you think
Cam Schlitzler is gonna throw a no. No, Let's Jays
are not the Red Sox. Jays are lead baseball and.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Hits Slitler's turning into Roger Clemens's side.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay. Also, he comes off a great game, So now
there's a little bit of pressure because there's expectation. We're
watching him the other game and we're like, who's this guy.
I mean, Yankee fans knew who he was. He didn't.
His first start was in like July. Like he didn't.
So now now there's a little pressure. Now there's expectation.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
He's in. He's locked in, as the kids like to say,
lock in Cam Sluler.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, so we all know this for anybody listening in
their car, watching on TV or YouTube, all of us
are better when we have that one great boss. And
one of the things it's hard sometimes when you work
at a company that people are coming and going. You
got a new boss and they have a new worldview.
(13:46):
And I think one of the things that's really important
for young quarterbacks and all quarterbacks, do you have an
offensive coach. So if the coordinator leaves, you still have
an offensive coach, and offense of coaches have a different sensibility,
a softer touch with quarterbacks. So right now, Detroit's on pace.
(14:06):
The Detroit Lions are on pace to score the most
points in the history of the NFL. Who's the quarterback,
Jared Goff And what's remarkable not that he leads the
NFL in completion percentage or passing touchdowns. He's on his
seventh offensive coordinator and he's had one bad season with
Jeff Fisher. Every other coach has worked two head coaches,
(14:29):
seven coordinators. And I said this when he came out.
He's durable as hell. Guy never gets hurt. I mean
he is. He's the only quarterback to play every regular
season game, week one, at twenty twenty two until today.
He's the only one crazy durable. He got the you
know what kicked out of him. Mccal stood up ready
to play every next Saturday. Six', four great, mechanics seize the,
(14:52):
field really. Accurate, Yes sean McVay got him to a Super.
Bowl but we didn't know If Dan campbell was a good.
Coach we didn't know he was an interim before and
everybody thought he was you Know he's kind of a
raw row. Guy seven. Coordinators Jared folks get used to
say hearing, This Jared goff's gonna be A hall Of.
Famer absolutely going to be A hall Of, famer no,
(15:13):
question no, question is going to be A hall Of.
Famer he plays in, rhythm he plays in, Structure he
got great. Genetics his dad played in The. Bigs Jared
goff is going to be A hall Of. Famer you're
gonna have to you guys out, there this is not
THE nba where style points. MATTER i, Mean westbrook is
a guard that can't. Shoot he'll make The hall Of
fame and should because his, Stylistically Russell westbrook athletically is
(15:36):
so memorable and so. Unique he should make The hall Of.
Fame but he's a guard that doesn't shoot particularly, well
which is okay if you're a power forward in the,
seventies but you want your guards to shoot. Well and
that's not a knock On, westbrook first Ball hall Of.
Famer but a lot of you guys get caught up
on style That this is not THE. Nba style doesn't.
(15:58):
Matter style matters in. Basketball basketball is a more artistic. Sport.
Basketball everybody's jump Shot birds look different Than, kobe's looked
different Than, michael's looked different Than doctor j looked different
Than Steph. Curry it's a style. Sport it. Matters you
can be A hall Of famer and never win a playoff,
game but in THE nfl you. Can't you got to
win playoff. Games and SO i know. This you think
(16:21):
this is an outrageous. COMMENT i have Seen. Goff go
back to the game in Which Jared goff as a
ram Outdueled Patrick mahomes and go look At Jared goff's
receivers in that. Game there was no, pooka. Right So
Jared goff's a really good. Player and if you ever
(16:41):
here's another. Thing have you ever noticed With Jared goff
that his coordinators get head coaching. Jobs he's like a
stimulus package every coordinator he. Has everybody's, like, man that's
a good. Coordinator, yeah because they Have Jared. Goff right,
now he's completing over seventy five percent of his. Throws, well,
(17:05):
well he's got a good old. Line so to The,
colts so to The Denver, broncos so to The Philadelphia,
eagles and they can't get their offense. Right philadelphia has
got the best offensive line in. Football they can't, pass
they can't. Run Jared goff's completing seventy five percent of
his throws passer rating at one twenty. One he's not real,
mobile he's not real. Stylish whatever you, Think i'm, Crazy
(17:27):
Jared goff's in his. Prime this offensive line in this front.
Office they just drafted interior offensive. Lineman they're not getting
rid Of Pennay. Seool this offensive line's going nowhere. Nowhere
rams his former team have offensive line, Issues lions. Won't
Here's Taylor, decker offensive. Tackle on what you get big
(17:50):
praise for.
Speaker 9 (17:51):
Golf we get a superstar quarterback who can do, everything
make every, throw knows the whole, playbook knows the, defenses prepares,
incredibly and he's afraid to take a. Hit you, know
we don't want him to get, it but if he has,
to he's not.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Afraid go back to his YouTube is Cow. GAMES i
watched him get ragdalled at Cal bad offensive. Lines the
guy kept standing up and taking the. Hits you think
WHEN i say That Jared goff's A hall Of, famer
all of you are, like, whoa, whoa. Whoa it's not
even gonna be. Close he got to A Super. Bowl
go look at his. Numbers they're. Insane he's Like Kirk
(18:25):
cousins with a much better. Arm He's Matt ryan with
a much better. Arm there's an Argument goff's got the
best mechanics in the. League he has great, mechanics super.
Accurate no we go and, again well he's got a
good old. Line so Does. Philadelphia they can't figure out
half their. Offense sort of The, colts sort of The.
Broncos he's second in touchdown passes since twenty. Seventeen Jared goff.
(18:52):
Second you know What i'm. Saying he's making The hall Of.
Fame joel klapt who will make the Broadcasting hall Of?
Fame he is around the corner hour two and A,
Wednesday It's The.
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Speaker 1 (19:14):
App here We, Go it's hour. Two It's The, herd
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
Great to be.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Back Joel klast's gonna be joining us in a couple of.
Minutes all fired up SO i saw this right, now
there's it's not an. ANOMALY i think this is the
future of THE. Nfl So jmac right, now this is
this is. Incredible there are fifteen CURRENT nfl, quarterbacks almost
(19:49):
half the, lead with a passer rating over one. Hundred,
okay last year it was, eleven the year before it was.
Six in we will complain about quarterback. Play this is
the best it's ever been in my. LIFE i think
there are three reasons why it's the Best i've ever
(20:09):
seen in my. Life Number, one the. Coaching there's never
been this many great young. Coaches These sean mcvays are
And kevin O'Connell's their, teachers their, mentors and it's like
we got like Seven Sean payton And Andy reid's out
there who are very good. Mentors so the, coaching the
(20:29):
young quarterback, COACHING i, mean Watch Trevor Lawrence monday With Liam.
Cohen he's a flawed. Quarterback this's the, best most, COMFORTABLE i,
think well, comfortable they kind of go back and, forth
but it's the Best Trevor lawrence has ever. Been so the,
coaching there's just more smart guys. Coaching, secondly quarterbacks are
getting personal coaching seven on, seven they just have more
(20:51):
snaps coming out of. COLLEGE i Mean bonis had sixty
one college, Stars Jaden daniels fifty, five Brock perty had almost.
Fifty and that doesn't count the seven on seven, coaching
the summer. Stuff so the quarterbacks come in with more,
reps more, completions more, attempts better. Coaching and the third
thing that doesn't get talked about is that because almost
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all quarterbacks not Named stafford And Jared goff are, mobile
and because they're, mobile you have to play zone. Defense
now in THE, nfl you can't turn your back on a,
quarterback and so zone defense allows for quarterbacks to hit.
Spots so quarterbacks have better coaches to hit. Spots more
starts coming into THE nfl to hit, spots and they're
(21:34):
good at hitting. Spots they're not having the new you. Know,
Now Aaron rodgers is still a guy that throws the
Great bret back. Shoulder Aaron rodgers is so precise it.
Works you. Know he can not only hit the, spots
But aaron has a way of throwing guys. Open not
a lot of quarterbacks. Do there are not a lot
Of Aaron. Rodgers Tom brady was talking about it this past,
(21:55):
weekend AND i don't care what THE pff number. SAYS
i Think aaron's playing, small great. Football here Was tom
this weekend beyond.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
Impressed AND i think at that age there's so many
other factors that come into play about how to be
a great. Quarterback and you, know we all want to
talk about what happens in the offseason with, him and
there's some things that are there's a lot of narratives out.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
There, yeah there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That it's a little.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Different but what we know about him on.
Speaker 10 (22:19):
The field is he's a surgical, passer he's got a killer,
instinct he's hyper, competitive AND i think he's brought all
those things To.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Pittsburgh and look at these numbers in the last three years.
Alone in twenty twenty, three one quarterback completed seventy plus
percent of his. Throws last year, five this year. Nine
now it may end up being six or. Seven one
hundred plus passer. Ratings three years, ago, six last year,
eleven now. Fifteen now we've had very nice warm fall
(22:50):
weather that helps. Too good weather helps. Quarterbacks buffalo Played New.
England it's eighty, okay so some years it's forty six
and it's, windy but the quality of quarterback, play the coaching's.
Better the kids are getting personal coaching and more, snaps
and everybody's playing. Zone and when you're playing, zone it
for some of these, guys like The bakers that have
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been around in this league, forever it's a lot of
pitch and catch if you get the right. Coach and with,
That Joel, clatt the voice of college football On Fox,
sports is JOINING us. Live he'll Have Ohio state Against.
Illinois good to see, you by the, WAY i saw
yesterday there was an HOUR i thought it was way
too harsh on Arch. Manning The athletic had an, article
(23:34):
is he the first? Flop AND i pointed, out BECAUSE
i like high school football, recruiting fifty percent of the
five star quarterbacks miss. Badly, sure a couple of years
AGO us he had, one and then he's At Boise,
state that he's At UTEP's, like that's actually what happens
all the. TIME i don't think Arch manning is. FLOPPED
i think he is the. Reality if you think it's
(23:55):
hard FOR nfl gms to figure out what twenty two
year olds can, play what do you think it's like
For sar trying to figure out what sixteen and seventeen
year olds can. PLAY i think the transition high school
to college is tougher than college to the pros for.
Speaker 11 (24:07):
QUARTERBACKS i think the expectations were, there though only because
he started a couple of games last year look, good he's.
Run this is his third, year you, know SO i
think everyone thought that he was going to come out
and play better than he, has and he. Hasn't arch
has not played well at, all And texas has not played.
Well and that's the other part is that they're not
doing really anything. Well the offensive, line which was rebuilt
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this year after a veteran group a year, ago they
have not protected him at. All when they do protect,
him he doesn't throw the ball, well they can't run
it very. Well sark talked about that after that game
Against florida last week that they. Lost so the offensive
line doesn't give him much. Help the wide RECEIVERS i
think are taking a step down as a. Group, right
let's just say from what they have had over the
(24:50):
last couple of. Years and, then, yeah he just has
not played very good. Football and it's a dangerous week
because their backs are against The. Wall they've got to
win to keep themselves alive in the college football playoff.
Conversation and they're going up against a team THAT i
think has a better defense Than florida and a better
defensive line Than. Florida so how much pressure Is art's
going to be under from that defensive line FOR ou
(25:12):
and The Red river? Game you, know they could be
in for another route awakening this. Week and here's the other.
Part if you look at what they've done AGAINST fbs,
competition it's like, nothing, Nothing so there's no evidence that
would lead you to believe that this is going to
turn around all of a. Sudden it's not like they've
had some performance against a good team that would lead
you to believe that all of a sudden it's going
to get.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Better you, know in a weird, WAY i was thinking
about this this morning driving In in a weird, way
the pressure's Off sark BECAUSE i think the public thinks
you can't bench A, manning so all the heat goes To.
Arch any other quarterback with this, Record sark would be getting.
Crushed but the public knows you can't bench A, manning
(25:55):
even though you, could because the family totally gets AND
i think it's taken nobody's banging On. Sark it's, true
AND i think, so not that he's a winner in
this he wants to, win but a in a strange
sort of. Galaxy it's taken heat Off.
Speaker 11 (26:10):
Sark, yeah BUT i do think the only PUSHBACK i
would give is that they're starting the narrative is starting
to build For sark around big, games and that that
he does not win those big, games similar to how
it's built now game last decade For James. Franklin that's exactly,
right and so those are games that they've got to
start performing a lot. Better even even last year in the.
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Playoff you, know, yes they got to a point where
they were playing in a really tight, game in a
great game Against Ohio, state but you could you could
claim that they may be underperformed Against Arizona state and
we're lucky to get away from that game in an
overtime game when they had to have a fourth down
conversion to do. It texas right now is not playing
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near to their. ABILITY i think that falls on their,
quarterback but it also falls on their head, coach and
he knows That sark knows that they have got to get.
Better part of the main issue is the offensive. Line
and when your offensive line is not playing well and
you're struggling at, quarterback it's a terrible.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Combination that's exactly what's going. ON i will say this
weekend before the, Show jason comes, up what do you
want to talk about With? Clatt AND i, Said clatt
And nile just let her. Rip but one thing that
is really important is THAT usc has the right. Ad
they've spent a lot of. Money AND i always Defended
(27:29):
Lincoln riley With Alex grinch and when the nil they
couldn't figure it out for like three. Years, yeah they
were spending the money. Wrong that they have them this is.
True now they got a lot of. Money AND i,
said this game Against michigan is A Lincoln riley defining.
Game oh, interesting you're putting that on this. WEEKEND i
think it's. Huge, okay, Okay so and not a good
(27:49):
matchup for. Them, well it's at home that. Matters in
college that's a, touchdown and especially coming all the way.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
West we've seen that in The Big ten where the
travels has been an issue for, teams But Notre dame
follows and their quarterback right now is on.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Fire, YEAH. Cj carr is playing. Great they're not Beating
oregon And. Eugene just that's not. Happening you would doubt.
It you would doubt. It you lose this, weekend you
might as well put four losses. Down And i'm not
talking At. Nebraska i'm not talking about. That you're out
of the. Playoff and my take is this, Team michigan's.
(28:25):
Physical they have got to meet. Them That illinois, game,
well we haven't seen. That what if they're just what
if it's this Hole lincoln runs this speed offense and
it doesn't matter what the personnel, Is they're never going
to be a punch in the mouth. Program. Well, see the.
Speaker 11 (28:40):
Only PUSHBACK i would give on that is that they
were At oklahoma Under Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Riley they could run.
Speaker 11 (28:45):
It they could run it really, well and in a
few of those years when he was the head, coach
they actually had the best offensive line In, america won
The Joe More.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Award how does their defense their defense? Struggle, okay so
that's my.
Speaker 11 (28:56):
Point AND i will say this, though that we have
Not LIKE i just said, that there's no evidence to
suggest That texas would all of a sudden play great this, Weekend,
right especially on the offensive. Side there's not a ton
of evidence right now that would suggest THAT usc is
all of a sudden going to match the physicality of
a team Like.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Michigan we haven't seen.
Speaker 11 (29:15):
That whether they've been on the, road whether they've been at,
home they've struggled with. That so they've had to outskill
people a lot of the, times and it didn't Do
it didn't work.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Out think about The illinois. Game you were at amos
of that, game, brutal and you know What illinois.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
Did they went back to the drawing board and they,
said you know, what why don't we just see if
they're tough enough and.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
We're going to run right at.
Speaker 11 (29:35):
Them and they couldn't handle, that couldn't handle. It so
from a matchup, standpoint if you're sitting there and You're
sharon more in The university Of michigan and you're that
program that runs the ball, well, heck they had one
hundred yard rusher last, Week Justice hayes against the number
one rushing defense in the. COUNTRY i Know wisconsin's not
a great, team but that element of their team is pretty,
good and they ran the ball, well at least at
(29:56):
times Against. Wisconsin If you're sitting there and You're, michigan
and you're building a game, plan aren't you looking your
chops saying to, Yourself we're going to run right at this. Crew,
NOW i would say this in USC's defense or in their.
Corner If i'm building a game plan Against, Michigan i'm
going to try to throw the. Football, Yeah i'm gonna
try to get away from their, rush throw the football
and try to outscale them on the. Outside that's exactly
(30:17):
WHAT usc can. Do so this one is a clash of. Styles,
YES i think it's a really important game for both.
Programs styles make. Fights the difference Is michigan is a Recent,
Natty michigan's recruiting is. Elite nobody Questions michigan's. Toughness that's,
Right AND i think that's the question right now FOR
usc is can they line up and play a physical
brand of?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Football, now.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
We'll, see we'll. See but, AGAIN i just go back
to this level of. Evidence DO i THINK usc is
going to be able to Stop michigan from running the?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Football? No and that's the. Answer the answer is. No
CAN i vet a little bit? Here sure? IS i
try to be, optimistic BUT i can be like everybody.
ELSE i can times don't get. Angry sure can the
coaches on The west coast stop complaining about these big
ten coaches all the? Travel you got four, roadies all
(31:12):
you big powerhouse, schools never go on the road out of.
Conference you got four. Roadies one may have bad. Weather
give me a. Break we wanted the big ten.
Speaker 11 (31:21):
PAGE I i typically agree, because, well what's the? Alternative you?
Know and EVEN i won't name any, names but like
when they do say, THAT i think to. THEM i
always think to, myself would you like to Join Washington
state In Oregon?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
State like how's it working out for? Them? Like what
was the? Alternative prime? Example, so AND i think about
this all the. TIME i SOMETIMES i. Complained so YESTERDAY
i ran into the big cheese. Upstairs, Okay AND i
don't love this Whole chicago la flying back and. Forth,
wait you just said you didn't like people that complain about, Travel, okay,
(31:55):
EXCEPTION i don't LIKE i don't like getting on a,
plane But i'm. Not i'm sitting there with the big.
Cheese that guy flies two hundred and seventy times a, year,
okay And i'm, like get over. Yourself that guy's on
a plane con he's on a plane. Content so my
take is THE nfl, GUYS i mean it just you're
constantly traveling the other week and it's, brutal and you're
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kicking different time, zones and you got, parents and you
got you got grandma living in the, basement you got
your your. Family college guys are like having a good
time and then they travel four times a.
Speaker 11 (32:29):
YEAR i will say SO i know this for a
fact when When Ohio state went To washington earlier this.
Year now they have a basis for this because they
traveled out before The Rose bowl and THE cfp just
two days. Early it wasn't like a true bowl game
experience where they were out there for the entire. Week
so they treated, it you, know like like THE cfp
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and went out a day Or. Orlando Michigan state has
done that as, well but they used it actually as
like a defining or a benefit thing for their.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Program we're going to go out there and do something.
Speaker 11 (33:02):
Specific from a team, buildings you've got to take THE
i don't need the, adversity if you want to call it.
That you've got to take what's in front of you
and look for ways to make it work for. You
how is this advantageous for? YOU i think you have
to spin it.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Positively it's like when you're traveling with your, kids you're,
like you, know you tell your, wife hey, MAN i
love the. Airport whenever you're going to See grandma and
you get in the car with your, kids what do you, Say, hey,
guys the food's going to be, great peanut butter and joy,
sadvwiches movies so. Much but you don't go it's going
to be a long. Drive you, LITERALLY i Asked Brett musburger.
Speaker 11 (33:40):
ONE i don't love when coaches put the seed in
their player's mind early in the week and it's, like
this is.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Tough we don't have, this we don't have. That you're
giving them an, out you're giving them an. Excuse years,
AGO i did an event With Brett, mussburger it must
have been fifteen years, ago AND i said looking live
And i'm, like how do You you're like these small?
Markets how do you? Travel how do you do? It
and he, goes young. MAN i was, like, fifty young,
MAN i don't know Where i'm going Until. Thursday he's,
(34:09):
LIKE i don't know the next. ASSIGNMENT i just won
assignment in a, time And i'm, like that's a great
way to look At. Trapps, sure so stop complaining because
oh we gotta flight To. Seattle you're not flying To.
Pasco it's a big city with a big.
Speaker 11 (34:23):
Airport, WELL i tend to, agree AND i think that
the coaches that don't make it a big, deal it
doesn't become a big deal for their.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Players, Okay Penn, state we gotta be honest about. It
here's the. Thing, Okay i'm Gonna i'm gonna Tell i'm
gonna name the top six programs in the. Country, okay
in terms of, revenue what you can, pay coaching, staffs
your quality of. Recruiting all, Right, Georgia Ohio, State, texas,
(34:56):
Boy Notre dame's, good he, SAID i would, SAY i
would throw out l S, U, lsu Probably, michigan Maybe.
Tennessee i'll Put tennessee in AND i don't Know michigan's AND,
il But i'll Say. Michigan so let's that's that's the top.
Five PROBABLY usc well right now with there AN. Il,
Yes i'm gonna bang on those programs if you're seven And,
(35:20):
Oregon oregon because Of Phil knight's, Money oregon absolutely is the. Top,
yeah but they've got no. Recruiting, yeah but they buy.
Them who can't reach you that those days are? Over
just go buy. It, okay you know there's a reason
they Are. Wisconsin the difference is they have uniforms And
Phil knight They're. Oregon they don't have any. Players so
what's wrong with these? Programs? Nothing But i'm gonna hold
those programs to a different standard Then i'm gonna Hold
(35:43):
Penn state and what you're giving them an? Out i'm
saying With Penn, state you can't lose to own FOR.
Ucla you can't give them out. Day you can't give them.
Out you can't give them an, Out like what do
we don't give them an? Out i'm just SAYING i
don't Hold Penn state To georgia standards Or Ohio state.
Speaker 11 (36:01):
STANDARD i, mean requiring them to beat an zero and
four team is not holding them To georgia's standard.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Or Ohio state standard was not a good first. HALF
i mean if you're.
Speaker 11 (36:10):
Holding them to those that, standard then you would require
them to Beat oregon as the higher ranked and favorite
team at home and what is the most elite environment
in college football See here's the here's the problem with
what went on On saturday is that they Allowed oregon
to beat them. Twice and what's going on right now
At Penn state is that the match between what they're
trying to do schematically really on both, sides but more
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specifically on the offensive side doesn't fit what their players do.
Best they're running an, offense you know For Tim tebow
And Drew aller is back, there and it's, like, well
those those two things aren't the same. Thing running quarterback
read you, know power on fourth down With Drew aller
with the game on the line is probably not the best.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
DECISION i, MEAN ucla was all over. There they were all.
Speaker 11 (36:55):
Over it was a great defensive call on their. Part you,
know the wide receiver corps At Penn state is wildly.
Underperformed they have over the last few, years and they've
even changed out the wide receivers that have been. There
they don't get off a bump, coverage they don't run
their routes, hard they don't provide clean. Pictures you, KNOW
i made the argument on my show that what would
IF i WOULD i what would you say IF i
(37:17):
told you that the best player in A Penn state
uniform On, saturday and that loss was Drew.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Aller he.
Speaker 11 (37:23):
Was he was the only reason that they were in the.
Game the problem was is that their scheme doesn't fit
what he does. Best and then he's got it all
of a sudden escape and run for four or five first,
downs which he, did but it's not who he, is
and he does that and he keeps them in the,
game and then they don't allow him to do what
he's best, at and that's what Ultimately james has got
to figure that. Out And James franklin knows, that and
(37:46):
he understands that they've got to get better immediately because
they still have to go To Ohio, state they still
have to Host, indiana and they're already sitting on two.
Losses So saturday was one of those inexplicable things For Penn.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
State it cannot.
Speaker 11 (37:57):
Happen AND i don't think it's it's holding them to
too high a standard to, say like those are games
that not only are devastating that you, lose you cannot
lose those.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Games so for, YEARS i think THE nfl sort of
looked down on college. Football sure quality isn't very, Good
and now they run all of their. Offenses they're not.
Funny BUT i think guys Like belichick are Like saturday.
Football so there is a little bit of college football
(38:31):
looking At belichick right now and, going, oh how's it going?
Speaker 5 (38:35):
There.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Cham i'll tell you, THIS i think college football coaches
love That belichick is doing a belly. Flop this thing
is a. Mess it doesn't look, good and they what
college football coaches have always said is we're dealing with
nineteen year olds and their parents and donors and boosters
(38:55):
and the GOOFY. Ncaa college football coaching you don't get.
Vacations well, No and it's also more of A ceo
role than it is a head coaching. Role it's it's
less about football than you would actually. Anticipate. Now, now
some are great at, both you, know AND i Think
kirby's great at. BOTH i Think Ryan day is great at.
BOTH i Think Dan landing is is, greater Said Chris
peterson was great at bull.
Speaker 11 (39:15):
Unbelievable but you've got to be an executive and, now
more than, anything you got to wear all the. Hats,
so for, instance you, know right after the, season you've
got to spend three days meeting with every single player
and every single agent and talking about the revenue, share
what line of the you, know line of the revenue
share you're going to. Get AND i thought that because
college football has become more, transactional that it was actually
a good time For Bill belichick to get into college.
(39:37):
Football and WHILE i still kind of agree with, that
and maybe this will turn out better going, forward but right,
now there's just not a cohesiveness and connection with WHAT
i see on the field and What i'm Sure i'm
you know he's being is being said during meetings and
everything that is not.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Connecting he's a very gruff. Guys it's Not Charlie weiss,
failed but it's not what's THE. Nfl.
Speaker 11 (40:00):
Though let me Just Charlie weiss wasn't great in, college
although he had pockets of. Success like With Will, Brady
charlie was AND i Know charlie AND i like.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
It he was.
Speaker 11 (40:08):
Gruff but there are guys that are having, success you,
know like Like chip came back and had success with
With Ohio, state but Like Jeff haffley came To Ohio
state and now he's in THE nfl and done. Well
think of those defensive oriented coaches that came From baltimore
to help Out, harrorball Like mike McDonald who's now In
seattle And Jesse mentors now the coordinator er. Guys Though
(40:29):
Matt patricia comes to THE nfl and what is he.
Doing he's really succeeding With Ohio state number one defense
in the. Country SO i don't want to put like
a blanket statement of, like, oh THE nfl guys they
come down here and they don't know how to, work
because some of them are doing it really really well
At North. Carolina right, now it's just not. Connecting there's
no cohesiveness right now with what you, know the messages
(40:51):
and what you're seeing on the.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Field so the best two teams in the, COUNTRY i
don't think it's that. Difficult Are Ohio state One oregon.
TWO i think you have to Put miami in that. Conversation. Three,
okay they looked a part NO sec teams in that you,
know the THE sec this year is deeper than they
(41:13):
have been in the.
Speaker 11 (41:14):
Past that you, know they had a run where they
were so elite at the, top man, like so elite
at the. TOP i don't think that there's the great
team in THE sec this, year but there's a lot
of really good. Teams the best team might Be TEXAS
a AND, m might Be Ole. Miss you, KNOW i
think that we're going to find out a lot about
THE sec this weekend When bama goes To.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Missouri about how about, This. Indiana go look at the.
Spread indiana is going to Play. Oregon not a not
a big. SPREAD i think it's what four and a?
Half what does that tell you About? INDIANA i Think
indiana's a really good. Team, yeah, Clearly. YEAH i MEAN
i Saw illinois play. Fifth let me put it to
(41:54):
you this, WAY i get labeled a big ten. Guy
indiana is the equivalent to me of A missouri or
An Ole. Miss at Least vegas is telling you at Least,
yeah there's no.
Speaker 11 (42:07):
Doubt So vegas is telling. You If Ole miss went To,
oregon it'd be four points Per, yeah that's absolutely. Right
indiana would be just doing exactly the. Same indiana is
just as good As oklahoma Or Ole miss Or TEXAS
a AND.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
M those guys went To, austin what would the line?
Speaker 11 (42:21):
Be and For indiana if any of those teams went To,
indiana that team is incredible at, home you, Know and
and there is Listen they're always going to get a
little bit of a narrative bump down. There there's no,
doubt but there's there is no questioning the fact that
at the top they're not quite as good as what
they have been and they're deeper in the middle this,
year and who knows how that is all going to play.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Out don't don't Crush indiana for The Notre dame name last.
Year they have made a. Move they're better than last.
YEAR i think they are. WELL i think they. Are
they're they're they're they're more, explosive AND i think they
have more good.
Speaker 11 (42:54):
Play this will this will tell us a lot About
indiana because this is a very difficult place to play
against WHAT i think is an elite college football team In,
oregon And Dan lanning will have those guys ready to.
Go there's there's no doubt about. It BUT i Think
indiana is going to have a chance in that. Game
it's good. Scene it's great to see. YOU i know
the travels hard for, you but good to see. YOU
i don't want to complain about.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
It, NO i.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Don't don't put that seed in the staff's, head you, Know,
NO i mean these guys are, spoiled are? They we're
like an indie band with a great. BUDGET i, Mean
i'm just there out there partying every, night having a good.
Time there's no structure to any of this except they.
All you, know we have a big. Budget i'll tell you.
What that's level five leadership folks right there and just
bang on the.
Speaker 11 (43:34):
Staff you guys have it easy WHEN i show, up
and you'll work hard for.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Them WHEN i show up in the, Morning i'm just.
PRAYING i see. Cars half the time they're, here half
the time they're. NOT i never know what's. Happening that's, okay,
Good it's great to see. You but four baseball games, Today,
oh it's going to be great for base gonna be. Great.
Yeah how about The yankees? Win that was. Nice they're
not winning that, series you don't think. So they're. Starting
pitching is getting. CRUSH i can see That toronto is
(44:03):
a good. Team didn't you play minor league? BASEBALL i
did for three.
Speaker 11 (44:06):
Seasons, well who was the, Organization? Padres they dodged a.
Bullet i'm barely hit over The mendoza. Line that was
a quick exit back to. College, yeah, well what are
you gonna?
Speaker 1 (44:20):
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