October 8, 2025 • 40 mins
Aaron Judge delivers a clutch 3-run bomb to keep the Yankees alive in the ALDS vs. the Blue Jays — and Colin Cowherd says it’s the playoff moment Judge needed.
Plus, what's going on in Philly? Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, and AJ Brown reportedly held a players-only meeting — but Colin explains why the Eagles’ offensive problems might run deeper than leadership talks can fix
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Fox Sports Radio. Oh, it is a Wednesday. We got
four baseball games today. You like baseball? A four spot today,
A couple of big ones. Last night, my Mariner, that
World Series between the Brewers and the Mariners. You thought
it was unlikely one game closer. It is Wednesday. It
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is the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. We're live in LA for Jmax Joel kladd.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
In one hour we were waiting.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We had a Ron on the show yesterday and a
Rod said, listen, it's not just and a Rod lived
through this in New York. It's not about getting base knocks.
You need a moment. Last night, Aaron Judge finally had
his moment. So the Yankees got smoked in the first
two games of this series. I don't think the Yankees
gonna win this series. I don't think they're starting pitching
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matches up well with Toronto.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Toronto led major League Baseball in hits, so it's not
like they're not difficult on everybody. But last night was classic.
The Jays just own the Yankees starting pitching now again,
Toronto led Baseball in hits. So if you count the
regular season in the playoffs, the Blue Jays have a
six to one ERA against the Yankee starters. And they
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took a six to one lead last night and innings
one through five, just innings one through five. In the
first three games, they scored twenty runs. Carlos Rodn last night.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
This is a guy.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
He was a horse for the Yankees this year, eighteen wins,
six runs, two and a third. So again, Jay's are
about in four thirty against the Yankee starters, and I
don't think you can win a series like this, forget
the bullpens. But it opened the door for the moment
for Judge. With two on in the fourth and Aaron
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stepped to the plate.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
On a two strike pitch.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's a drive down the mind if experiences movement, it's times.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
The Yankees need Aaron Judge to deliver bombs. They're an
action movie he's the lead. They don't play small ball,
they don't have a great bullpen. Otani's valuable to the Dodgers,
but he's not always necessary to be the lead. Aaron
Judge is the next inning, all that jazz, Jazz Chisholm,
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a guy that didn't play remember Game one against the
Red side, came back. Yeah, they missed him. Jazz Chisholm
came up next inning followed what a swing? Rocked it
home run? The Yankees had a lead. The floodgates were opened,
and it was official. New York was back in this series.
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But here's the thing about bullpens. The Yankees, Jays, Phillies,
and Dodgers, all their bullpens have been roughed up until
last night, when the Yankees bullpen did what every bullpen
from the big markets and off of the flashy teams,
the Phillies, the Yankees, the Dodgers, even the Jay's bullpen
not had a great postseason. Well last night, the Yankees
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bullpen goes six and two thirds of scoreless baseball. And
you know, I don't know why bullpens are so bad,
because everybody now so its ninety eight miles an hour.
Everybody throws gas out of the bullpen and including the Yankees.
But last night was about Aaron Judge having a signature
moment and once he did, guzz chis home. Followed next
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inning Yankee bullpen came in. Now it's interesting Toronto's going
with a bullpen session today. They're gonna go with a
bullpen start. Not exactly sure why. Uh that that opens
the door for the Yankees. But the reality is runs
will be scored in this series. Last night was about
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a singular moment Aaron Judge, and here he was after.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Watching it fly.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Did you think it would stay fair?
Speaker 5 (04:35):
You never know under a one like that right at
the Bout Bowl, you don't thinkfully, the ghosts kind of
took that one over. I gotn't there for.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The nice one.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Uh, there's no Benning in this team, you know, especially
in the personning you know, to run over by doing
this thing again. The boys they locked in.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, Before I go to the Seattle Mariners and oh
I'm gonna go today to the Seattle Mariners, I want
want to talk about something that happened yesterday in sports
that I've always sort of rolled my eyes at players
only meetings. The seventy six ers had one last year.
The Bulls had one in Chicago. The Dolphins had one
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this year. How they all work out? By the way,
Oklahoma City had a team meeting at half court to
hoist a trophy. Player only meetings are called lunch. If
it lasts longer than that, you're in trouble, sit down,
have a ham sandwich after practice, chop it up for
fifteen twenty minutes. This thing yesterday between Saquon Barkley, AJ
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Brown and Jalen Hurts on about two hours. Nick Wright
and I talked about it yesterday. Oh boy, oh boy.
I wish my kids would have had a kid's only meeting.
That would have been funny. But my takeaway on this
is Jalen Hurts is a great quarterback, and he's got
some straints including strength, maturity, mobility, But he's a non
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traditional courquarterback. You know whose receivers love their quarterback, Tom Brady's,
Peyton Mannings, Baker Mayfield's. Those guys sit in the pocket
and throw darts. That's not what Jalen Hurts is. He's
a very unique quarterback that doesn't play the position like
the all time greats do. That doesn't mean he doesn't
have great traits or he's not a tremendous leader and
a tremendous quarterback. But he's going to struggle throughout his
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career with wide receivers because he's not really that guy.
And what's interesting about this drama in Philadelphia. In Week one,
AJ Brown had one target and I defended him. I said,
you got it, come on, you got to target him.
But in the last four weeks, AJ Brown, the star receiver,
has as many targets, believe it or not, as justin Jefferson.
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They're trying to get in the ball. They've over corrected,
and to me, it's getting in the way of the offense.
Remember last year Philadelphia had a buye. They came out
after the bye and decided we're going to throw less
and they never lost out trying. You know, it's the
old square peg roundhole. They're trying to change their offense
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to appease AJ Brown, and you saw it last week
at one point they trailed, they led Denver at one
point seventeen to three. And in that game, at one
point they ran the ball like or excuse me, pass
the ball like eight nine straight times. That's not what
you do. Philadelphia is known for running the ball when
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they trail. So when Philadelphia leads at home by a
couple of touchdowns, you don't throw the ball eight nine
straight times.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's not what Philadelphia is.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
And so to me, when I hear players only meeting,
first of all, I oways wonder how many teams did
Jim Harbaugh have, or Belichick have or Andy Reid have
that needed to have player only meetings with a winning record.
I think Philadelphia has got a coaching crisis. I think
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Sirianni is not a ski guy, so his teams are
very coordinator dependent, and they moved up a passing game
coordinator who never called plays, and now the players are
taking it in under their own hands. Miami had one
of these couple of weeks ago. Two weeks later, Yeah,
they lost to Carolina. In fact, they blew a lead
to Carolina. So I mean, this is what Jalen hurts.
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Here's how the players only meeting with three stars went.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
It's just us talking about the collective, talking about taking
on the ship for what we can and talking about
how we move forward as a team so we continue
to find ways to win games. Is really just teammates
being teammates. I know this is a hungry group. I
know we're hungry, and I know we're excited for all
the opportunity in front of us to continue to improve.
That's what matters most, because we won't go out there
and win as individuals, will go out there and win
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as a team exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But this is an offense that signature play looks like rugby.
That's what they are, and it's okay and everybody we
should know it, but let's not kid ourselves. In the
last four weeks, they're targeting aj Brown as much as
Minnesota is targeting Justin Jefferson. They're trying. But Carson Wentz
frankly is a bigger pocket guy than Jalen Hurts. He
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may be better in the pocket than Jalen Hurts, not
saying he's a better quarterback. But this has always been
a non traditional offense, so I think over the course
of Jalen's career he'll have issues with star wide receivers.
Baker doesn't, Tom didn't, Manning didn't. They're traditional quarterbacks. So
that's where we are this morning. Yeah, it's you know,
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it's funny, and you know, as I'm watching and talking
about baseball, j Mac, it's really interesting. I don't remember
when I was a kid. When I was a kid,
and when I was a young adult, when I was
in college, in my twenties and thirties, I don't remember
all these bullpen games. Baseball's had so many changes. But Toronto,
you know, they get a buy in the first round,
so they're very well rested, and they have a two
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one series lead, and they're they're gonna go with the
bullpen game tonight, which is really interesting because you know,
let's New York potentially back into the series. But I
think Toronto is so confident with their batters against the
Yankee starters that they're like, well, we got through, we
got through rod On to bring your best. Plus, I mean,
when you lead baseball in hits the entire sport. I mean,
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you've really seen Toronto on display. The Yankee starters can't
get to the third and fourth inning.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Well, we know the guy tonight will, but they could
go quiet for two days and Yanks take the series.
I mean, would you really be shocked Toronto was up
six to one coming at that point? It fell over, right,
did it not?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Last night? Six to one? Come on on the road,
felt like it was a lock for Toronto.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Well, awesome come back, and you just wonder, does the
momentum exist in baseball?
Speaker 7 (10:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Momentum is only the next day starting pitcher.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, yeah, the Yankee starting pitching against the Blue Jays.
The era is sixteen, Toronto's hitting four thirty nine and
the Yankees have surrendered four home runs. And the Yankees
are averaging two point seven innings per start. So I
think Toronto looks at it and thinks to themselves, well,
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we've got a couple more games. We could score fifteen
runs or more in these two games.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, I look at Slitler, the guy who the hero
from the Boston.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Let the Boston's not Toronto. Boston does not have the
lineup of Toronto. Boston was missing one of their best pitchers.
Toronto right now is better than Boston then, so let's
and it took a deciding game against Boston. So I
think Toronto looks at it and thinks, you know, the
Yankees aren't a great defensive team.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's not base running.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's basically, don't let Aaron Judge do what Aaron Judge
did last night.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
That's what you do.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
The Yankees are top heavy, they're uneven and last Night,
Jazz and Aaron made them pay.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You want to put us take dinner on tonight? Yanks win.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
You owe me sixteen, oh maybe twenty sacking up numbers
here okay.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Also a store on arch Manning that bordered on insane,
and the Mariners a game.
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Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well, nobody outside of the Pacific Northwest, primarily Seattle, is
spending a lot of time in the regular season watching
the Mariners. This is the only team to never make
a World Series. They've had unbelievable players. You can go
back to Randy Johnson and Ken Griffy and Mark Langston
and Alex Rodriguez and Edgar Martinez. This was the kid
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a team I grew up with as a kid, and that, yeah,
I know. I went a little rain man the other
day naming the starting lineup for the first Mariner game ever,
which I had a ticket sitting way up in right field.
But there have been a lot of forgettable teams, but
they've had really good stars most of the time. Financially
they just couldn't keep them. But this is a real team.
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And what's amazing is considering the payroll is only fifteenth
in Major League Baseball, it's incredibly complete and you saw
it on display as they took the series lead against
Detroit and are one win away from getting to the
American League Championship Series. So they went and got e.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Swarez.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I'm not going to try with the first name at
the trading dead he's a former Mariner, and they got
into a bidding war at the trade deadline with Detroit,
the team the Mariners are playing, and they outbid the
Detroit Tigers for swar Ives Well hit a bomb last
night and incidentally, the third baseman for the Tigers is struggling,
so that's part of the team. They have a power
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hitting corner infielder. They also have Cal Rawley, a power
hitting catcher. So on the road they take a four
to nothing lead. Their bullpen with one exception kind of
breeze through the Tigers order. They have an elite closer
in Muno's andrez Munos, So, considering this is not a
big payroll team, they got an elite closer. Solid starting pitching,
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don't commit a lot of airs, seventh fewest in Major
League Baseball, power at the corner, power behind the plate.
It's a really good baseball team. And you know, again,
people outside of the Pacific Northwest haven't paid much attention
to it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
But they have a bunch of balance.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
They only have two guys that make over twenty million dollars.
They're still young. They got some guys in arbitration, but
it's a very young team with the bright future. The
Yankees have four guys making over twenty five million. But
we've said the Yankees are a very uneven team. The
Mariners are not power starting pitching, closer, solid bullpen, hatcher
who could be MVP and now again this is a
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team that didn't have a playoff win before this series
from two thousand and one until the beginning of this series.
So it has been an incredibly long drought and it
was fitting as they take the series lead that cal
Rawley went yard.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Here it is the stretch and.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
The pitch, swinging a well hit ball deep into the
gap and left center field. This one is going and
going and goodbye baseball. Cal Rally with a home run
the other way into the Mariner's bullpen.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yes, Rick Riz who's been with Seattle ironically left briefly
to go to Detroit, came back to Seattle. Nice win
for the Mariners, Jay Mack, and you know, we're all
kids at some point who we loved at eight, nine
and ten years old in sports has a place in
our heart. eBay sent me a nice Mariner zip up.
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So I watched with great pride last night. As the
Seattle Mariners have, they've had bigger stars, but it's a
complete team. We've said that it's about Milwaukee. Baseball is
in a great spot, Milwaukee, small market. They're probably baseball's
most complete team. The Yankees have star power, but they're
uneven They're not a good defensive team that don't run
the bases particularly well. Their bullpen is okay, but you
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look at you watch Seattle, which I've never considered Seattle
a small market. They have Microsoft and Starbucks and Safeco.
It's a corporate hub. I don't consider Minnesota and the
twins of small market. That's a corporate hub. But in baseball,
because there's no salary cap, New York and LA can
kind of pull away from the world.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
But the agents are not clamoring to get to Minnesota
and see One of the things Seattle is dealt with
for years.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
It doesn't matter in football because there's only one game
a week. But one of the tough things for the
Mariners is a lot of players think you have more
road trips travel.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
There's more trapping.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Now Miami you could say is way down in Florida,
but there's a lot of East Coast baseball team. Seattle's
out there. You know, Seattle's out there. They had a
couple of trips down the coast, but most of the time,
not a lot of.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Teams in the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Seattle is getting on a plane and flying four and
five and five and a half hours, and so a
lot of players have said over the course of a season,
it's hard to be a Mariner baseball player when the
Vancouver Grizzlies. By the way, the Sonics are gone, the
Vancouver Grizzlies NBA players would always say, Man, every road
trip is a long road trip. So that's been something
Seattle's dealt with. Not a big free agent spot, but
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they've had star power. But I'm not sure they've had
a team.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
This balanced in a maybe ever, we'll see't I'm just
still startled that the Mariners sent you stuff because you
rooted for them in nine.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That's amazing. I think this platform helped.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, well I was a Yankees fan at
nine and Don Mattingly and they're struggling Yankees in the
late eighties. Yeah, but there's a lot of Yankee fans. Yeah,
but this platform.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
J Mack with the news. No, no, this.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Let's dive into the NFL, shall we and the AFC
North That quarterbacks are going they're dropping like flies. Colin
and Aaron Rodgers somehow is the fossil in the division
and the Steelers are in.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
First and he's healthy. Go figure.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Joe Burrow not expected back soon. Lamar, we don't know.
Mike Tomalin, No, he's not focused on any of that.
Here's your boy, Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
I don't care what happened with other people, particularly last weekend.
It's about us coming off the by and getting ready
for our game this week. I'm not a big picture guy.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I'm not a big picture guy. Listen, he's sitting pretty.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
You want to name the other starters in the division
right now outside of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
He might be Joe Flacco, who starting Cincinnati this week.
I think it's he just got benched by the Browns
College Co.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I mean, I think sometimes you get good fortune. I
mean there are I mean teams have often benefited in
the NFC West when San Francisco's falling apart. So I mean,
I don't think the Steelers are a great team. Even
their highly paid defense isn't particularly It's something to marvel
at this happen, But the bottom line is Burrow gets
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hurt a lot, Baltimore's roster gets banged up a lot,
Cleveland's Cleveland. So I mean they've earned it. I Pittsburgh's
found a way to win games in Artistically, there's a
value in that they're not pretty. They've got their a
little old defensively in spots. They're very expensive, but you
know what, they got a playmaker and TJ.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
They've got playmakers on that defensive side. Aaron's not making mistakes.
Aaron's throwing the ball underneath, keeping it safe. They got
one big play guy in DK Metcalf. I thought losing
Nause their left tackle and pickings would be an issue,
but unlike the Jets, because I do think I thought
it was going to look like the Jets, but a
better organization. The difference is the Steelers find ways to
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win games and the Jets find ways to lose games.
In Pittsburgh, there is something to be said about organizational
structure and strength and confidence and Mike Tomlin's been there
so many times, so you give them credit. I don't
think they're a pretty team or a great team. It
doesn't matter. They're winning games.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yes, that's fair.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I don't know if we get the Steelers skill jewel
on the screen, but Colin, let's be real. Their opponents
have handed them games. The Patriots ten five turnovers. You
know who would you take neutral field right now? Patriots
are Steelers?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Give me.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
The Patriots all day. They face Carson Wentz, Drake May.
They lost to Darnold and Justin Fields. I know you
can only play who's on your schedule, but I'm just
saying that back end, Okay, the Bills are gonna fix,
They're gonna write the ship.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Lamar's gonna be fine. I think you're overvaluing how tough
the back end. Detroit that's a loss.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, I mean the Colts. Colts and Packers are tough games.
They get them both at home. The Chargers will they
be healthy by week ten?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Hold On Hampton and Alts should be back by week ten.
The Bears could be frisky in Chicago. I think you
give them the two losses to Lamar, the loss to
the Bills, loss of the Lions. Listen, I like you,
and I like the Steelers this week a lot. Okay, Irrastually,
the line is starting.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
To tick up. They got the Browns. I just don't
like their long term outlook.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That's fairly it was. And it's what's interesting is Mike
Tomlins teams. This is interesting. I don't have it in
front of me, but they've not been great in their
last five or six games of the year.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Why would that be.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I've always had this theory that Mike Tomlin is very
inspirational and very motivating. He's not a big picture guy.
He is a Sunday guy. And I do think over
the course of a season that plays well early, but
players tune it out late. I mean, you can only
give so many motivational speeches, and I think it has
a great effect early in the season. He's an inspiring guy,
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he's a great speaker, he's an incredible motivator. But in
the end of a season, when you're beat up, that's
not what it is. It's a scheme league late like
because you don't have full rosters and everybody's beat up.
And that's why Kyle Shanahan should be Coach of the Year.
What Kyle Shanahan's doing in San Francisco is insane. That's
amazing coaching. He's got forty percent of his top ten
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starters are out, maybe fifty percent. So I think what
happens with the Steelers is they start well, a lot
of motivation, chest out, but then they get beat up.
They don't have some of their playmakers. The margin shrink,
and that's when it becomes a scheme league. When you
situational football matters. We'll see how they play them.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
And it's still in the honeymoon phase with Rogers and
his OC Arthur Smith. Everybody waiting for that to crumble.
Let's go to the next story. That's your Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Now.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Do you remember last year when the Bears met the Commanders.
It was a classic game at one on a Hail Mary.
The Bears defensive back was like pointing at the crowd
talking trash.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
As the play starts. Just a memorable Hail Mary.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Well, Ben Johnson is not entertaining any conversations about last
year's debacer.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, I mean you'd have to talk to those guys
about it. We're a new team and we're just focused
on winning this game this week.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
That's exactly what you should say. Stay away bad karma
to talk about.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
That mass So where are you on this game? Because
I've given her some thought. Here is the Hail Mary?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Office one.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
This is just and remember the end zone shot when
you had the Bear defensive I think.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
It was Steven's was the guy act the lord? This
is a heat, but you know sixty five yards.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
In the air by Jader.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
It's not all coaching because this happens about once a year,
so there is some value. But you had a defensive
back talking to fans Stevenson, and then.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
He's the one who tiped it. He was out of position.
He should have been the back end guy. Commanders are
minus four and a half. So they got a win
by five at home, coming off a big road trip
to the Chargers where they didn't look good early, but
man did they finished strong column last three quarters. They
dominated the Chargers Bears off of a bide. Do you
have any lean here?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I like the Commanders. I again, the Chicago has been
an outfit over the last ten years. They've not been
a great road team. I think what you watched, you
saw it live last week. Don't forget how great Jaden
Daniels was last year. Last week, in that second half,
you were watching them throw darts.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
No, Terry McLaurin, last week, he's expected. Maybe this is
one of my favorite plays of the weekend. I like
the Commanders. Mclaurin's back, folks quarterback play Jaden Daniels. Don't
forget because he's been banged up, how good he was
last year. Now this is second year in the system.
Now they've got Debo McLaurin back. I think this point forward,
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the Commanders are going to be one of the hotter
teams in the league starting this week. Okay, final story
is uh oh, that litty team in Kansas City. They
are under five hundred colin. We often cannot say that
about these lucky guys. Patrick Mahomes spoke about the Chiefs
needing to quit beating themselves.
Speaker 10 (24:33):
We kind of crush ourselves with penalties and mistakes and
interceptions and fumbles or whatever that is. I mean, it's
just we've kind we've kind of done that to ourselves
all year long. It's kind of been one guy here there,
and in this league, it's so close that those those
change games, and so we got to be better, you know,
we we we've lost too many games already.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well, when you pay the quarterback a lot of money,
you've got to get young somewhere. You got to get
young and cheap. And they've got a lot of young
guys on the special teams. I think they had five
special teams penalties. So I mean that's the reality is
when you're when you're paying the quarterback top of the market.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Dallas has a little bit of this.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
It's kind of running back by committee or receiver by
committee or special teams by committee.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And so they're young.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But I think Kansas City's issues holding penalties on punter
or kicks, that stuff's correct. Well, you can get out
of that.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
What about Chris Jones laziness and Arison Butter kicking it
out of balance? Harrison's not having a great year. He's
not a fantasy team. I'm aware he's not.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Having a great year.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
That's so kickers are you know upstairs they have they
go sideways fast.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
We do talk with this about this in the offseason.
A lot one score games. They were eleven or oh
last year. I know Chiefs fans don't want to hear it.
That stuff is fluky. You can't go eleven or zero
on one score games any new we get to happen again.
They're zero to three in those this year.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I said, we said before the season started, I had
them finishing second in their division at Denver as a
wildcard team, and I said, if they go five hundred
and one score games, like if they went four and four,
you'd feel pretty good. You'd like to go five and
three with Andy Reid, you probably do. But the truth
is recovering fumbles and one score wins, there's a there's
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a randomness. It's not totally random because I do think mcveigh's.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Or or Reid or Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I do think there are certain coaches who do bring
out really smart plays situationally. I mean, why why you
know Andy Reid in Philly and Andy Reid in Kansas City.
He's always been good on third down, He's always been
good in the red zone. There are coaches that are better.
When we watched this past weekend Sean Payton against Philly
and they go for it on the two point conversion.
It was a great play. Does a defensive coach have
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that like? And so I think one score wins are
not as random as fumble recoveries. I think that there's
something to be said about some teams are better coached,
and they're better coach team win close game. Well, Josh
McDaniels and Brady won a lot of one score games
every year.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yeah, real quick, Chief's taking money. This was a pick them.
They're out to two and a half. My read is
everybody saw the Chiefs look really good against the job.
I think Detroit's to play. I think I'm with you here,
you're saying four and four to one score games. We'll see,
they got to eventually win one, right, They're.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Gonna eventually win one of these. How do you know
it's a one score game? You think Lion's blast.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I think this is the last game where Kansas City
really struggles. I think they're going to struggle a little bit,
and then I think they go on to tear when
Rashi Rice comes back the following week, what.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
About Xavi You're worthy? Where's he Monday Night Superstar? Would
you pair Xavi You're Worthy in Rashie Rice. That's like
John Taylor and Jerry Rice. Remember what the Niners linking up?
I mean, how do you stop that?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And you're you're having a ball right now because you
hate Kansas I don't hate them.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I got my homes of my fantasy team. I'm rooting
for them.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I just I want to be right on my prediction
and I got a good feeling about the Broncos and
Chargers in the AFCU West.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
All right, Jame and act with the news.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by Heard
Line News.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
So there was a story yesterday, was it?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
The Athletic had the story on Arch Manning, and it
was really harsh.
Speaker 11 (28:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
The title was is he the first flop ever in
college football? And my takeaway was, whoever wrote this story
does not follow high school football recruiting. I would say
fifty percent of the five star quarterbacks that come out
of high school fifty percent aren't half as good as
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arch Manning. I mean, arch Manning does lead the SEC
in total touchdowns and it is a very good defensive conference.
I mean, USC had a five star quarterback from LA
a couple of years ago. Hour later he went to
Boise State. Now he's at UTEP. He played arch earlier
this year in Arch one, and that's Malik Nelson and
didn't play very good. So arch Manning is just the
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latest five star quarterback to come into college football and realize, oh,
it's a different sport. I mean, all you Texas fans,
do you remember Garrett Gilbert? I do even sounds like
a Texas quarterback, Garrett Gilbert. I think he replaced Colt McCoy,
if I recall it, in that game against Bama.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
He never panned out. So I went back this morning
and I went to the twenty twenty three high school
football class arch Manning was number one, Nico Iamaliavo was
number two. He had a transfer or did Number three
was Dante Moore he transferred, and then Jackson Arnold is
a number four, all totally mixed results. Arch has struggled,
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Nico went to UCLA until last weekend is kind of
a disaster. Dante Moore is great, red shirted, has the
best teammates around him, and then Jackson Arnold.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
So my take is what's happening to Arch Manning happens
about fifty percent of the time to five star quarterbacks.
They get built up, they play on high school football
powers with great teammates, then they go to these big schools.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And I've said this for years.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
If you think gets hard for NFL teams to figure
out what quarterbacks are good in the draft at twenty
two and twenty three years old, try doing it when
they're seventeen and eighteen years old. So you know, when
people say, oh, he's a flop for a bust, you
know who a bust is. That guy hanging out outside
of a seven to eleven with a beer belly that's
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forty six, still talking about that big win over Central High.
That's a flop. That's a bust. Arch is just the
latest five star quarterback who was finding out. I mean
Nico Iamalaiava Jackson, Arnold, Dante Moore. It's rough, it's hard.
And the NFL hit rate for quarterbacks in the first
rounds about fifty percent. That's about the high school to
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college hit rate on five star quarterbacks. It's amazing how
many quarterbacks think about in the NFL right now. Josh
Allen was not offered out of high school A division
on scholarship. Aaron Rodgers had to go to a junior college.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I mean, there's there's not a lot of Peyton Manning,
Matt Stafford, great high school, great college, great pro.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That's actually rare.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It is guy comes in, doesn't fit, has to transfer, fails,
or is okay drafted eventually in the fourth or fifth round.
So I thought the article I listen, I thought it
was way too harsh. I think, if you follow I've
been following high school football recruiting for forty years. I mean,
you can go to USC A couple of years ago
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they had a five star guy. It was in Boise
an hour later. I root for all the kids, but
it just happens constantly. It's really really hard. Here's Sark
on arch Maanning after he just lost to Florida.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I found out he's a tough dude.
Speaker 9 (31:46):
He he He fought his ass off Saturday, and those
were not ideal conditions for a quarterback to perform under.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Is there a couple throws I'm sure he'd love to
have back, of.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Course, but he's stood in there and he showed a
lot of contact, courage, taking hits, delivering the ball. There
were some really impressive throws in there, and he battled
until the very end.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
In fairness, Texas has four new offensive line starters and
they're they're not delivering, so you have a ton of time.
He does hold the ball too long. That's a lot
of quarterbacks, said bow Knicks. Last year out of Oregon,
Bnicks had sixty one high college starts. He came to
Denver with Sean Payton. He held the ball way too
long last year, bo Nicks has sped it up. Arch
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Manning needs another year in college. He needs to speed
it up. A lot of that's just what do you see?
Do you see the field? He tends to be He
lets go with the ball too late. He's not yet
a great anticipatory thrower. I'm not a quarterback coach, but
I think calling him a flop or a bust it
just I mean, you're not watching high school football recruiting.
I mean, it's just these these five star guys. I mean,
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I was told like five years ago Quinn Ewers was
the next great Hall of Fame quarterback. Remember he came
out five stars, guy, had a big arm. I was like, No,
how'd that go? You'd be amazed how many quarterback cam Ward?
Go look at cam Ward's jersey journey. Go look at
Baker Mayfield's journey. I mean that that's typical. Go look
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at Josh Allen's or Aaron Rodgers. That's actually typical. That's
not the out The outlier is Peyton Manning or Matt Stafford.
And even Stafford had to eventually leave his NFL team
and go to the Rams to actually win a playoff game.
Like Peyton Manning is an all time rare greaton junior high,
great in high school, great in college, number one pick,
great in the NFL. That's like that. Even John Elway
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wasn't winning much in college. Mahomes didn't win in college.
Josh Allen didn't win in college. That's not the outlier.
The outlier's Peyton Manning.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
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Speaker 2 (33:51):
Today on FS one, a pair of game fours.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
In the Alds starts with Cal Ray and the Mariners
taking on the Tigers, and in prime time.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
After last night's.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Huge rally, Judge and the Yankees continue to fight for
their playoffs lives against Laddie and the Blue Jays.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Comforage begins next right here on FS one.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I kind of take the Tigers will force a final game.
I think the Yankees Blue Jays, I know, you think
Cam Schlitzler is gonna throw a no, no, let's let's
this Jay's are not the Red Sox.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Jays are lead baseball and hits Schlitler's turning into Roger
Clemens's side. Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Also, he comes off a great game, so now there's
a little bit of pressure because there's expectations. We're watching
him the other game and we're like, who's this guy.
I mean, Yankee fans knew who he was.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
He didn't, he didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
His first start was in like July, like he didn't.
So now now there's a little pressure. Now there's expectation.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
He's in.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
He's locked in, as the kids like to say, lock in,
Cam Slitler.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay, so we all know this for anybody listening in
their car, watching on TV or U YouTube, all of
us are better when we have that one great boss.
And one of the things it's hard sometimes when you
work at a company that people are coming and going.
You got a new boss and they have a new worldview.
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And I think one of the things that's really important
for young quarterbacks and all quarterbacks, do you have an
offensive coach. So if the coordinator leaves, you still have
an offensive coach. And offensive coaches have a different sensibility,
a softer touch with quarterbacks. So right now, Detroit's on pace.
The Detroit lines are on pace to score the most
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points in the history of the NFL. Who's the quarterback
Jared Goff And what's remarkable not that he leads the
NFL and completion percentage or passing touchdowns. He's on his
seventh offensive coordinator and he's had one bad season with
Jeff Fisher. Every other coach has worked two head coaches,
seven coordinators, and I said this when he came out.
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He's durable as hell. Guy never gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean he is.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
He's the only quarterback to play every regular season game,
week one of twenty twenty two until today. He's the
only one crazy durable. He got the you know what
kicked out of him. Mccal stood up ready to play
every next Saturday. Six', four great, mechanics seize the. Field really. Accurate,
Yes sean McVay got him to a Super. Bowl but
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we didn't know If Dan campbell was a good. Coach
we didn't know he was an interim before and everybody
thought he. Was you, know he's kind of a raw rod.
Guy seven. Coordinators jared Folks get used to say hearing,
This Jared goff's gonna be A hall Of. Famer absolutely
going to be A hall Of, famer no, question no,
question is going to be A hall Of. Famer he
plays in, rhythm he plays in. Structure he got great.
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Genetics his dad played in The. Bigs Jared goff is
going to be A hall Of. Famer you're gonna have
to you guys out, there this is not THE nba
where style points. MATTER i, Mean westbrook is a guard
that can't. Shoot he'll make The hall Of fame and
should because his, Stylistically Russell westbrook athletically is so memorable
and so.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Unique he should make The hall Of.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Fame but he's a guard that doesn't shoot particularly, well
which is okay if you're a power forward in the,
seventies but you want your guards to shoot.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well and that's not a knock On, westbrook First Ball
hall Of.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Famer but a lot of you guys get caught up
on style that this is not THE. Nba style doesn't.
Matter style matters in. Basketball basketball is a more artistic.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Sport.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Basketball everybody's jump shot birds look different Than, kobe's looked
different Than, michael's look different Than DOCTOR. J look different
Than Steph. Curry it's a style. Sport it. Matters you
can be A hall Of famer and never win a playoff,
game but in THE nfl you. Can't you got to
win playoff. Games and SO i know you think this
is an outrageous. COMMENT i have Seen goff go back
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to the game in Which Jared goff as a ram
Outdueled Patrick mahomes and go look At Jared goffs receivers
in that.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Game there was No. Pooka.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Right, So Jared goff's a really good. Player and if
you ever here's another. Thing have you ever noticed With
Jared goff that his coordinators get head coaching. Jobs he's
like a stimulus package every coordinator he. Has everybody's, like,
man that's a good. Coordinator, yeah because they Have Jared
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goff right, now he's completing over seventy five percent of his.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Throws, well, well he's got a good old.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Line so to The, colts sort of The Denver, broncos
sort to The Philadelphia, eagles and they can't get their offense.
Right philadelphia has got the best offensive line in. Football
they can't, pass they can't. Run Jared goff's completing seventy
five percent of his throws passer rating a one to twenty.
One and he's not real, mobile he's not real. Stylish
whatever you, Think i'm. Crazy Jared goff's in his. Prime
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this offensive line in this front off. Us they just
drafted interior offensive. Lineman they're not getting rid Of Pennay.
Seol this offensive line's going nowhere. Nowhere rams his former
team have offensive line, Issues lions. Won't Here's Taylor, decker offensive,
tackle on what you get big praise for.
Speaker 11 (39:20):
Golf we got a superstar quarterback who can do, everything
make every, throw knows the whole, playbook knows the, defenses prepares,
incredibly and he's not afraid to take a. Hit you,
know we don't want him to get, it but if
he has, to he's not.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Afraid go back to his, YouTube his cow. GAMES i
watched them get ragdalled at cal bad offensive. Lines the
guy kept standing up and taking the. Hits you think
WHEN i say That Jared Goff's hall Of, famer all
of you are.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Like, whoa, whoa. Whoa it's not even gonna be. Close
he got to a Super. Bowl go look at his.
Numbers they're.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Insane he's Like Kirk cousins with a much better. Arm
He's Matt ryan with a much better. Arm there's an
Argument goff's got the best mechanics in the. League he
has great, mechanics super. Accurate no we go and, again,
well he's got a good old.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Line so Does.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Philadelphia they can't figure out half their. Offense sort of The,
colts sort of The. Broncos he's second in touchdown passes
since twenty. Seventeen Jared goff.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Second you know What i'm.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Saying he's making The hall of. Fame Joel, klatt who
will make the broadcasting hall of. Fame he is around
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four baseball games today. You like baseball? A four spot today,
A couple of big ones. Last night, my Mariner, that
World Series between the Brewers and the Mariners. You thought
it was unlikely one game closer. It is Wednesday. It
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is the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. We're live in LA for Jmax Joel kladd.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
In one hour we were waiting.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We had a Ron on the show yesterday and a
Rod said, listen, it's not just and a Rod lived
through this in New York. It's not about getting base knocks.
You need a moment. Last night, Aaron Judge finally had
his moment. So the Yankees got smoked in the first
two games of this series. I don't think the Yankees
gonna win this series. I don't think they're starting pitching
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matches up well with Toronto.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Toronto led major League Baseball in hits, so it's not
like they're not difficult on everybody. But last night was classic.
The Jays just own the Yankees starting pitching now again,
Toronto led Baseball in hits. So if you count the
regular season in the playoffs, the Blue Jays have a
six to one ERA against the Yankee starters. And they
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took a six to one lead last night and innings
one through five, just innings one through five. In the
first three games, they scored twenty runs. Carlos Rodn last night.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
This is a guy.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
He was a horse for the Yankees this year, eighteen wins,
six runs, two and a third. So again, Jay's are
about in four thirty against the Yankee starters, and I
don't think you can win a series like this, forget
the bullpens. But it opened the door for the moment
for Judge. With two on in the fourth and Aaron
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stepped to the plate.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
On a two strike pitch.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's a drive down the mind if experiences movement, it's times.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
The Yankees need Aaron Judge to deliver bombs. They're an
action movie he's the lead. They don't play small ball,
they don't have a great bullpen. Otani's valuable to the Dodgers,
but he's not always necessary to be the lead. Aaron
Judge is the next inning, all that jazz, Jazz Chisholm,
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a guy that didn't play remember Game one against the
Red side, came back. Yeah, they missed him. Jazz Chisholm
came up next inning followed what a swing? Rocked it
home run? The Yankees had a lead. The floodgates were opened,
and it was official. New York was back in this series.
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But here's the thing about bullpens. The Yankees, Jays, Phillies,
and Dodgers, all their bullpens have been roughed up until
last night, when the Yankees bullpen did what every bullpen
from the big markets and off of the flashy teams,
the Phillies, the Yankees, the Dodgers, even the Jay's bullpen
not had a great postseason. Well last night, the Yankees
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bullpen goes six and two thirds of scoreless baseball. And
you know, I don't know why bullpens are so bad,
because everybody now so its ninety eight miles an hour.
Everybody throws gas out of the bullpen and including the Yankees.
But last night was about Aaron Judge having a signature
moment and once he did, guzz chis home. Followed next
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inning Yankee bullpen came in. Now it's interesting Toronto's going
with a bullpen session today. They're gonna go with a
bullpen start. Not exactly sure why. Uh that that opens
the door for the Yankees. But the reality is runs
will be scored in this series. Last night was about
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a singular moment Aaron Judge, and here he was after.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Watching it fly.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Did you think it would stay fair?
Speaker 5 (04:35):
You never know under a one like that right at
the Bout Bowl, you don't thinkfully, the ghosts kind of
took that one over. I gotn't there for.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The nice one.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Uh, there's no Benning in this team, you know, especially
in the personning you know, to run over by doing
this thing again. The boys they locked in.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, Before I go to the Seattle Mariners and oh
I'm gonna go today to the Seattle Mariners, I want
want to talk about something that happened yesterday in sports
that I've always sort of rolled my eyes at players
only meetings. The seventy six ers had one last year.
The Bulls had one in Chicago. The Dolphins had one
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this year. How they all work out? By the way,
Oklahoma City had a team meeting at half court to
hoist a trophy. Player only meetings are called lunch. If
it lasts longer than that, you're in trouble, sit down,
have a ham sandwich after practice, chop it up for
fifteen twenty minutes. This thing yesterday between Saquon Barkley, AJ
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Brown and Jalen Hurts on about two hours. Nick Wright
and I talked about it yesterday. Oh boy, oh boy.
I wish my kids would have had a kid's only meeting.
That would have been funny. But my takeaway on this
is Jalen Hurts is a great quarterback, and he's got
some straints including strength, maturity, mobility, But he's a non
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traditional courquarterback. You know whose receivers love their quarterback, Tom Brady's,
Peyton Mannings, Baker Mayfield's. Those guys sit in the pocket
and throw darts. That's not what Jalen Hurts is. He's
a very unique quarterback that doesn't play the position like
the all time greats do. That doesn't mean he doesn't
have great traits or he's not a tremendous leader and
a tremendous quarterback. But he's going to struggle throughout his
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career with wide receivers because he's not really that guy.
And what's interesting about this drama in Philadelphia. In Week one,
AJ Brown had one target and I defended him. I said,
you got it, come on, you got to target him.
But in the last four weeks, AJ Brown, the star receiver,
has as many targets, believe it or not, as justin Jefferson.
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They're trying to get in the ball. They've over corrected,
and to me, it's getting in the way of the offense.
Remember last year Philadelphia had a buye. They came out
after the bye and decided we're going to throw less
and they never lost out trying. You know, it's the
old square peg roundhole. They're trying to change their offense
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to appease AJ Brown, and you saw it last week
at one point they trailed, they led Denver at one
point seventeen to three. And in that game, at one
point they ran the ball like or excuse me, pass
the ball like eight nine straight times. That's not what
you do. Philadelphia is known for running the ball when
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they trail. So when Philadelphia leads at home by a
couple of touchdowns, you don't throw the ball eight nine
straight times.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's not what Philadelphia is.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
And so to me, when I hear players only meeting,
first of all, I oways wonder how many teams did
Jim Harbaugh have, or Belichick have or Andy Reid have
that needed to have player only meetings with a winning record.
I think Philadelphia has got a coaching crisis. I think
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Sirianni is not a ski guy, so his teams are
very coordinator dependent, and they moved up a passing game
coordinator who never called plays, and now the players are
taking it in under their own hands. Miami had one
of these couple of weeks ago. Two weeks later, Yeah,
they lost to Carolina. In fact, they blew a lead
to Carolina. So I mean, this is what Jalen hurts.
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Here's how the players only meeting with three stars went.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
It's just us talking about the collective, talking about taking
on the ship for what we can and talking about
how we move forward as a team so we continue
to find ways to win games. Is really just teammates
being teammates. I know this is a hungry group. I
know we're hungry, and I know we're excited for all
the opportunity in front of us to continue to improve.
That's what matters most, because we won't go out there
and win as individuals, will go out there and win
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as a team exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But this is an offense that signature play looks like rugby.
That's what they are, and it's okay and everybody we
should know it, but let's not kid ourselves. In the
last four weeks, they're targeting aj Brown as much as
Minnesota is targeting Justin Jefferson. They're trying. But Carson Wentz
frankly is a bigger pocket guy than Jalen Hurts. He
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may be better in the pocket than Jalen Hurts, not
saying he's a better quarterback. But this has always been
a non traditional offense, so I think over the course
of Jalen's career he'll have issues with star wide receivers.
Baker doesn't, Tom didn't, Manning didn't. They're traditional quarterbacks. So
that's where we are this morning. Yeah, it's you know,
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it's funny, and you know, as I'm watching and talking
about baseball, j Mac, it's really interesting. I don't remember
when I was a kid. When I was a kid,
and when I was a young adult, when I was
in college, in my twenties and thirties, I don't remember
all these bullpen games. Baseball's had so many changes. But Toronto,
you know, they get a buy in the first round,
so they're very well rested, and they have a two
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one series lead, and they're they're gonna go with the
bullpen game tonight, which is really interesting because you know,
let's New York potentially back into the series. But I
think Toronto is so confident with their batters against the
Yankee starters that they're like, well, we got through, we
got through rod On to bring your best. Plus, I mean,
when you lead baseball in hits the entire sport. I mean,
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you've really seen Toronto on display. The Yankee starters can't
get to the third and fourth inning.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Well, we know the guy tonight will, but they could
go quiet for two days and Yanks take the series.
I mean, would you really be shocked Toronto was up
six to one coming at that point? It fell over, right,
did it not?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Last night? Six to one? Come on on the road,
felt like it was a lock for Toronto.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Well, awesome come back, and you just wonder, does the
momentum exist in baseball?
Speaker 7 (10:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Momentum is only the next day starting pitcher.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, yeah, the Yankee starting pitching against the Blue Jays.
The era is sixteen, Toronto's hitting four thirty nine and
the Yankees have surrendered four home runs. And the Yankees
are averaging two point seven innings per start. So I
think Toronto looks at it and thinks to themselves, well,
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we've got a couple more games. We could score fifteen
runs or more in these two games.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, I look at Slitler, the guy who the hero
from the Boston.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Let the Boston's not Toronto. Boston does not have the
lineup of Toronto. Boston was missing one of their best pitchers.
Toronto right now is better than Boston then, so let's
and it took a deciding game against Boston. So I
think Toronto looks at it and thinks, you know, the
Yankees aren't a great defensive team.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's not base running.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's basically, don't let Aaron Judge do what Aaron Judge
did last night.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
That's what you do.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
The Yankees are top heavy, they're uneven and last Night,
Jazz and Aaron made them pay.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You want to put us take dinner on tonight? Yanks win.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
You owe me sixteen, oh maybe twenty sacking up numbers
here okay.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Also a store on arch Manning that bordered on insane,
and the Mariners a game.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
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Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well, nobody outside of the Pacific Northwest, primarily Seattle, is
spending a lot of time in the regular season watching
the Mariners. This is the only team to never make
a World Series. They've had unbelievable players. You can go
back to Randy Johnson and Ken Griffy and Mark Langston
and Alex Rodriguez and Edgar Martinez. This was the kid
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a team I grew up with as a kid, and that, yeah,
I know. I went a little rain man the other
day naming the starting lineup for the first Mariner game ever,
which I had a ticket sitting way up in right field.
But there have been a lot of forgettable teams, but
they've had really good stars most of the time. Financially
they just couldn't keep them. But this is a real team.
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And what's amazing is considering the payroll is only fifteenth
in Major League Baseball, it's incredibly complete and you saw
it on display as they took the series lead against
Detroit and are one win away from getting to the
American League Championship Series. So they went and got e.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Swarez.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I'm not going to try with the first name at
the trading dead he's a former Mariner, and they got
into a bidding war at the trade deadline with Detroit,
the team the Mariners are playing, and they outbid the
Detroit Tigers for swar Ives Well hit a bomb last
night and incidentally, the third baseman for the Tigers is struggling,
so that's part of the team. They have a power
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hitting corner infielder. They also have Cal Rawley, a power
hitting catcher. So on the road they take a four
to nothing lead. Their bullpen with one exception kind of
breeze through the Tigers order. They have an elite closer
in Muno's andrez Munos, So, considering this is not a
big payroll team, they got an elite closer. Solid starting pitching,
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don't commit a lot of airs, seventh fewest in Major
League Baseball, power at the corner, power behind the plate.
It's a really good baseball team. And you know, again,
people outside of the Pacific Northwest haven't paid much attention
to it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
But they have a bunch of balance.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
They only have two guys that make over twenty million dollars.
They're still young. They got some guys in arbitration, but
it's a very young team with the bright future. The
Yankees have four guys making over twenty five million. But
we've said the Yankees are a very uneven team. The
Mariners are not power starting pitching, closer, solid bullpen, hatcher
who could be MVP and now again this is a
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team that didn't have a playoff win before this series
from two thousand and one until the beginning of this series.
So it has been an incredibly long drought and it
was fitting as they take the series lead that cal
Rawley went yard.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Here it is the stretch and.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
The pitch, swinging a well hit ball deep into the
gap and left center field. This one is going and
going and goodbye baseball. Cal Rally with a home run
the other way into the Mariner's bullpen.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yes, Rick Riz who's been with Seattle ironically left briefly
to go to Detroit, came back to Seattle. Nice win
for the Mariners, Jay Mack, and you know, we're all
kids at some point who we loved at eight, nine
and ten years old in sports has a place in
our heart. eBay sent me a nice Mariner zip up.
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So I watched with great pride last night. As the
Seattle Mariners have, they've had bigger stars, but it's a
complete team. We've said that it's about Milwaukee. Baseball is
in a great spot, Milwaukee, small market. They're probably baseball's
most complete team. The Yankees have star power, but they're
uneven They're not a good defensive team that don't run
the bases particularly well. Their bullpen is okay, but you
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look at you watch Seattle, which I've never considered Seattle
a small market. They have Microsoft and Starbucks and Safeco.
It's a corporate hub. I don't consider Minnesota and the
twins of small market. That's a corporate hub. But in baseball,
because there's no salary cap, New York and LA can
kind of pull away from the world.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
But the agents are not clamoring to get to Minnesota
and see One of the things Seattle is dealt with
for years.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
It doesn't matter in football because there's only one game
a week. But one of the tough things for the
Mariners is a lot of players think you have more
road trips travel.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
There's more trapping.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Now Miami you could say is way down in Florida,
but there's a lot of East Coast baseball team. Seattle's
out there. You know, Seattle's out there. They had a
couple of trips down the coast, but most of the time,
not a lot of.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Teams in the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Seattle is getting on a plane and flying four and
five and five and a half hours, and so a
lot of players have said over the course of a season,
it's hard to be a Mariner baseball player when the
Vancouver Grizzlies. By the way, the Sonics are gone, the
Vancouver Grizzlies NBA players would always say, Man, every road
trip is a long road trip. So that's been something
Seattle's dealt with. Not a big free agent spot, but
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they've had star power. But I'm not sure they've had
a team.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
This balanced in a maybe ever, we'll see't I'm just
still startled that the Mariners sent you stuff because you
rooted for them in nine.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That's amazing. I think this platform helped.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, well I was a Yankees fan at
nine and Don Mattingly and they're struggling Yankees in the
late eighties. Yeah, but there's a lot of Yankee fans. Yeah,
but this platform.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
J Mack with the news. No, no, this.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Let's dive into the NFL, shall we and the AFC
North That quarterbacks are going they're dropping like flies. Colin
and Aaron Rodgers somehow is the fossil in the division
and the Steelers are in.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
First and he's healthy. Go figure.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Joe Burrow not expected back soon. Lamar, we don't know.
Mike Tomalin, No, he's not focused on any of that.
Here's your boy, Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
I don't care what happened with other people, particularly last weekend.
It's about us coming off the by and getting ready
for our game this week. I'm not a big picture guy.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I'm not a big picture guy. Listen, he's sitting pretty.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
You want to name the other starters in the division
right now outside of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
He might be Joe Flacco, who starting Cincinnati this week.
I think it's he just got benched by the Browns
College Co.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I mean, I think sometimes you get good fortune. I
mean there are I mean teams have often benefited in
the NFC West when San Francisco's falling apart. So I mean,
I don't think the Steelers are a great team. Even
their highly paid defense isn't particularly It's something to marvel
at this happen, But the bottom line is Burrow gets
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hurt a lot, Baltimore's roster gets banged up a lot,
Cleveland's Cleveland. So I mean they've earned it. I Pittsburgh's
found a way to win games in Artistically, there's a
value in that they're not pretty. They've got their a
little old defensively in spots. They're very expensive, but you
know what, they got a playmaker and TJ.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
They've got playmakers on that defensive side. Aaron's not making mistakes.
Aaron's throwing the ball underneath, keeping it safe. They got
one big play guy in DK Metcalf. I thought losing
Nause their left tackle and pickings would be an issue,
but unlike the Jets, because I do think I thought
it was going to look like the Jets, but a
better organization. The difference is the Steelers find ways to
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win games and the Jets find ways to lose games.
In Pittsburgh, there is something to be said about organizational
structure and strength and confidence and Mike Tomlin's been there
so many times, so you give them credit. I don't
think they're a pretty team or a great team. It
doesn't matter. They're winning games.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yes, that's fair.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I don't know if we get the Steelers skill jewel
on the screen, but Colin, let's be real. Their opponents
have handed them games. The Patriots ten five turnovers. You
know who would you take neutral field right now? Patriots
are Steelers?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Give me.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
The Patriots all day. They face Carson Wentz, Drake May.
They lost to Darnold and Justin Fields. I know you
can only play who's on your schedule, but I'm just
saying that back end, Okay, the Bills are gonna fix,
They're gonna write the ship.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Lamar's gonna be fine. I think you're overvaluing how tough
the back end. Detroit that's a loss.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, I mean the Colts. Colts and Packers are tough games.
They get them both at home. The Chargers will they
be healthy by week ten?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Hold On Hampton and Alts should be back by week ten.
The Bears could be frisky in Chicago. I think you
give them the two losses to Lamar, the loss to
the Bills, loss of the Lions. Listen, I like you,
and I like the Steelers this week a lot. Okay, Irrastually,
the line is starting.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
To tick up. They got the Browns. I just don't
like their long term outlook.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That's fairly it was. And it's what's interesting is Mike
Tomlins teams. This is interesting. I don't have it in
front of me, but they've not been great in their
last five or six games of the year.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Why would that be.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I've always had this theory that Mike Tomlin is very
inspirational and very motivating. He's not a big picture guy.
He is a Sunday guy. And I do think over
the course of a season that plays well early, but
players tune it out late. I mean, you can only
give so many motivational speeches, and I think it has
a great effect early in the season. He's an inspiring guy,
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he's a great speaker, he's an incredible motivator. But in
the end of a season, when you're beat up, that's
not what it is. It's a scheme league late like
because you don't have full rosters and everybody's beat up.
And that's why Kyle Shanahan should be Coach of the Year.
What Kyle Shanahan's doing in San Francisco is insane. That's
amazing coaching. He's got forty percent of his top ten
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starters are out, maybe fifty percent. So I think what
happens with the Steelers is they start well, a lot
of motivation, chest out, but then they get beat up.
They don't have some of their playmakers. The margin shrink,
and that's when it becomes a scheme league. When you
situational football matters. We'll see how they play them.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
And it's still in the honeymoon phase with Rogers and
his OC Arthur Smith. Everybody waiting for that to crumble.
Let's go to the next story. That's your Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Now.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Do you remember last year when the Bears met the Commanders.
It was a classic game at one on a Hail Mary.
The Bears defensive back was like pointing at the crowd
talking trash.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
As the play starts. Just a memorable Hail Mary.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Well, Ben Johnson is not entertaining any conversations about last
year's debacer.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, I mean you'd have to talk to those guys
about it. We're a new team and we're just focused
on winning this game this week.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
That's exactly what you should say. Stay away bad karma
to talk about.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
That mass So where are you on this game? Because
I've given her some thought. Here is the Hail Mary?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Office one.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
This is just and remember the end zone shot when
you had the Bear defensive I think.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
It was Steven's was the guy act the lord? This
is a heat, but you know sixty five yards.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
In the air by Jader.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
It's not all coaching because this happens about once a year,
so there is some value. But you had a defensive
back talking to fans Stevenson, and then.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
He's the one who tiped it. He was out of position.
He should have been the back end guy. Commanders are
minus four and a half. So they got a win
by five at home, coming off a big road trip
to the Chargers where they didn't look good early, but
man did they finished strong column last three quarters. They
dominated the Chargers Bears off of a bide. Do you
have any lean here?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I like the Commanders. I again, the Chicago has been
an outfit over the last ten years. They've not been
a great road team. I think what you watched, you
saw it live last week. Don't forget how great Jaden
Daniels was last year. Last week, in that second half,
you were watching them throw darts.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
No, Terry McLaurin, last week, he's expected. Maybe this is
one of my favorite plays of the weekend. I like
the Commanders. Mclaurin's back, folks quarterback play Jaden Daniels. Don't
forget because he's been banged up, how good he was
last year. Now this is second year in the system.
Now they've got Debo McLaurin back. I think this point forward,
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the Commanders are going to be one of the hotter
teams in the league starting this week. Okay, final story
is uh oh, that litty team in Kansas City. They
are under five hundred colin. We often cannot say that
about these lucky guys. Patrick Mahomes spoke about the Chiefs
needing to quit beating themselves.
Speaker 10 (24:33):
We kind of crush ourselves with penalties and mistakes and
interceptions and fumbles or whatever that is. I mean, it's
just we've kind we've kind of done that to ourselves
all year long. It's kind of been one guy here there,
and in this league, it's so close that those those
change games, and so we got to be better, you know,
we we we've lost too many games already.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well, when you pay the quarterback a lot of money,
you've got to get young somewhere. You got to get
young and cheap. And they've got a lot of young
guys on the special teams. I think they had five
special teams penalties. So I mean that's the reality is
when you're when you're paying the quarterback top of the market.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Dallas has a little bit of this.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
It's kind of running back by committee or receiver by
committee or special teams by committee.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And so they're young.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But I think Kansas City's issues holding penalties on punter
or kicks, that stuff's correct. Well, you can get out
of that.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
What about Chris Jones laziness and Arison Butter kicking it
out of balance? Harrison's not having a great year. He's
not a fantasy team. I'm aware he's not.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Having a great year.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
That's so kickers are you know upstairs they have they
go sideways fast.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
We do talk with this about this in the offseason.
A lot one score games. They were eleven or oh
last year. I know Chiefs fans don't want to hear it.
That stuff is fluky. You can't go eleven or zero
on one score games any new we get to happen again.
They're zero to three in those this year.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I said, we said before the season started, I had
them finishing second in their division at Denver as a
wildcard team, and I said, if they go five hundred
and one score games, like if they went four and four,
you'd feel pretty good. You'd like to go five and
three with Andy Reid, you probably do. But the truth
is recovering fumbles and one score wins, there's a there's
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a randomness. It's not totally random because I do think mcveigh's.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Or or Reid or Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I do think there are certain coaches who do bring
out really smart plays situationally. I mean, why why you
know Andy Reid in Philly and Andy Reid in Kansas City.
He's always been good on third down, He's always been
good in the red zone. There are coaches that are better.
When we watched this past weekend Sean Payton against Philly
and they go for it on the two point conversion.
It was a great play. Does a defensive coach have
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that like? And so I think one score wins are
not as random as fumble recoveries. I think that there's
something to be said about some teams are better coached,
and they're better coach team win close game. Well, Josh
McDaniels and Brady won a lot of one score games
every year.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yeah, real quick, Chief's taking money. This was a pick them.
They're out to two and a half. My read is
everybody saw the Chiefs look really good against the job.
I think Detroit's to play. I think I'm with you here,
you're saying four and four to one score games. We'll see,
they got to eventually win one, right, They're.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Gonna eventually win one of these. How do you know
it's a one score game? You think Lion's blast.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I think this is the last game where Kansas City
really struggles. I think they're going to struggle a little bit,
and then I think they go on to tear when
Rashi Rice comes back the following week, what.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
About Xavi You're worthy? Where's he Monday Night Superstar? Would
you pair Xavi You're Worthy in Rashie Rice. That's like
John Taylor and Jerry Rice. Remember what the Niners linking up?
I mean, how do you stop that?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And you're you're having a ball right now because you
hate Kansas I don't hate them.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I got my homes of my fantasy team. I'm rooting
for them.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I just I want to be right on my prediction
and I got a good feeling about the Broncos and
Chargers in the AFCU West.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
All right, Jame and act with the news.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by Heard
Line News.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
So there was a story yesterday, was it?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
The Athletic had the story on Arch Manning, and it
was really harsh.
Speaker 11 (28:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
The title was is he the first flop ever in
college football? And my takeaway was, whoever wrote this story
does not follow high school football recruiting. I would say
fifty percent of the five star quarterbacks that come out
of high school fifty percent aren't half as good as
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arch Manning. I mean, arch Manning does lead the SEC
in total touchdowns and it is a very good defensive conference.
I mean, USC had a five star quarterback from LA
a couple of years ago. Hour later he went to
Boise State. Now he's at UTEP. He played arch earlier
this year in Arch one, and that's Malik Nelson and
didn't play very good. So arch Manning is just the
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latest five star quarterback to come into college football and realize, oh,
it's a different sport. I mean, all you Texas fans,
do you remember Garrett Gilbert? I do even sounds like
a Texas quarterback, Garrett Gilbert. I think he replaced Colt McCoy,
if I recall it, in that game against Bama.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
He never panned out. So I went back this morning
and I went to the twenty twenty three high school
football class arch Manning was number one, Nico Iamaliavo was
number two. He had a transfer or did Number three
was Dante Moore he transferred, and then Jackson Arnold is
a number four, all totally mixed results. Arch has struggled,
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Nico went to UCLA until last weekend is kind of
a disaster. Dante Moore is great, red shirted, has the
best teammates around him, and then Jackson Arnold.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
So my take is what's happening to Arch Manning happens
about fifty percent of the time to five star quarterbacks.
They get built up, they play on high school football
powers with great teammates, then they go to these big schools.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And I've said this for years.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
If you think gets hard for NFL teams to figure
out what quarterbacks are good in the draft at twenty
two and twenty three years old, try doing it when
they're seventeen and eighteen years old. So you know, when
people say, oh, he's a flop for a bust, you
know who a bust is. That guy hanging out outside
of a seven to eleven with a beer belly that's
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forty six, still talking about that big win over Central High.
That's a flop. That's a bust. Arch is just the
latest five star quarterback who was finding out. I mean
Nico Iamalaiava Jackson, Arnold, Dante Moore. It's rough, it's hard.
And the NFL hit rate for quarterbacks in the first
rounds about fifty percent. That's about the high school to
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college hit rate on five star quarterbacks. It's amazing how
many quarterbacks think about in the NFL right now. Josh
Allen was not offered out of high school A division
on scholarship. Aaron Rodgers had to go to a junior college.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I mean, there's there's not a lot of Peyton Manning,
Matt Stafford, great high school, great college, great pro.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That's actually rare.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It is guy comes in, doesn't fit, has to transfer, fails,
or is okay drafted eventually in the fourth or fifth round.
So I thought the article I listen, I thought it
was way too harsh. I think, if you follow I've
been following high school football recruiting for forty years. I mean,
you can go to USC A couple of years ago
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they had a five star guy. It was in Boise
an hour later. I root for all the kids, but
it just happens constantly. It's really really hard. Here's Sark
on arch Maanning after he just lost to Florida.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I found out he's a tough dude.
Speaker 9 (31:46):
He he He fought his ass off Saturday, and those
were not ideal conditions for a quarterback to perform under.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Is there a couple throws I'm sure he'd love to
have back, of.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Course, but he's stood in there and he showed a
lot of contact, courage, taking hits, delivering the ball. There
were some really impressive throws in there, and he battled
until the very end.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
In fairness, Texas has four new offensive line starters and
they're they're not delivering, so you have a ton of time.
He does hold the ball too long. That's a lot
of quarterbacks, said bow Knicks. Last year out of Oregon,
Bnicks had sixty one high college starts. He came to
Denver with Sean Payton. He held the ball way too
long last year, bo Nicks has sped it up. Arch
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Manning needs another year in college. He needs to speed
it up. A lot of that's just what do you see?
Do you see the field? He tends to be He
lets go with the ball too late. He's not yet
a great anticipatory thrower. I'm not a quarterback coach, but
I think calling him a flop or a bust it
just I mean, you're not watching high school football recruiting.
I mean, it's just these these five star guys. I mean,
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I was told like five years ago Quinn Ewers was
the next great Hall of Fame quarterback. Remember he came
out five stars, guy, had a big arm. I was like, No,
how'd that go? You'd be amazed how many quarterback cam Ward?
Go look at cam Ward's jersey journey. Go look at
Baker Mayfield's journey. I mean that that's typical. Go look
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at Josh Allen's or Aaron Rodgers. That's actually typical. That's
not the out The outlier is Peyton Manning or Matt Stafford.
And even Stafford had to eventually leave his NFL team
and go to the Rams to actually win a playoff game.
Like Peyton Manning is an all time rare greaton junior high,
great in high school, great in college, number one pick,
great in the NFL. That's like that. Even John Elway
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wasn't winning much in college. Mahomes didn't win in college.
Josh Allen didn't win in college. That's not the outlier.
The outlier's Peyton Manning.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 2 (33:51):
Today on FS one, a pair of game fours.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
In the Alds starts with Cal Ray and the Mariners
taking on the Tigers, and in prime time.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
After last night's.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Huge rally, Judge and the Yankees continue to fight for
their playoffs lives against Laddie and the Blue Jays.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Comforage begins next right here on FS one.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I kind of take the Tigers will force a final game.
I think the Yankees Blue Jays, I know, you think
Cam Schlitzler is gonna throw a no, no, let's let's
this Jay's are not the Red Sox.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Jays are lead baseball and hits Schlitler's turning into Roger
Clemens's side. Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Also, he comes off a great game, so now there's
a little bit of pressure because there's expectations. We're watching
him the other game and we're like, who's this guy.
I mean, Yankee fans knew who he was.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
He didn't, he didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
His first start was in like July, like he didn't.
So now now there's a little pressure. Now there's expectation.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
He's in.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
He's locked in, as the kids like to say, lock in,
Cam Slitler.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay, so we all know this for anybody listening in
their car, watching on TV or U YouTube, all of
us are better when we have that one great boss.
And one of the things it's hard sometimes when you
work at a company that people are coming and going.
You got a new boss and they have a new worldview.
(35:14):
And I think one of the things that's really important
for young quarterbacks and all quarterbacks, do you have an
offensive coach. So if the coordinator leaves, you still have
an offensive coach. And offensive coaches have a different sensibility,
a softer touch with quarterbacks. So right now, Detroit's on pace.
The Detroit lines are on pace to score the most
(35:38):
points in the history of the NFL. Who's the quarterback
Jared Goff And what's remarkable not that he leads the
NFL and completion percentage or passing touchdowns. He's on his
seventh offensive coordinator and he's had one bad season with
Jeff Fisher. Every other coach has worked two head coaches,
seven coordinators, and I said this when he came out.
(36:01):
He's durable as hell. Guy never gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean he is.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
He's the only quarterback to play every regular season game,
week one of twenty twenty two until today. He's the
only one crazy durable. He got the you know what
kicked out of him. Mccal stood up ready to play
every next Saturday. Six', four great, mechanics seize the. Field really. Accurate,
Yes sean McVay got him to a Super. Bowl but
(36:25):
we didn't know If Dan campbell was a good. Coach
we didn't know he was an interim before and everybody
thought he. Was you, know he's kind of a raw rod.
Guy seven. Coordinators jared Folks get used to say hearing,
This Jared goff's gonna be A hall Of. Famer absolutely
going to be A hall Of, famer no, question no,
question is going to be A hall Of. Famer he
plays in, rhythm he plays in. Structure he got great.
(36:48):
Genetics his dad played in The. Bigs Jared goff is
going to be A hall Of. Famer you're gonna have
to you guys out, there this is not THE nba
where style points. MATTER i, Mean westbrook is a guard
that can't. Shoot he'll make The hall Of fame and
should because his, Stylistically Russell westbrook athletically is so memorable
and so.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Unique he should make The hall Of.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Fame but he's a guard that doesn't shoot particularly, well
which is okay if you're a power forward in the,
seventies but you want your guards to shoot.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well and that's not a knock On, westbrook First Ball
hall Of.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Famer but a lot of you guys get caught up
on style that this is not THE. Nba style doesn't.
Matter style matters in. Basketball basketball is a more artistic.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Sport.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Basketball everybody's jump shot birds look different Than, kobe's looked
different Than, michael's look different Than DOCTOR. J look different
Than Steph. Curry it's a style. Sport it. Matters you
can be A hall Of famer and never win a playoff,
game but in THE nfl you. Can't you got to
win playoff. Games and SO i know you think this
is an outrageous. COMMENT i have Seen goff go back
(37:54):
to the game in Which Jared goff as a ram
Outdueled Patrick mahomes and go look At Jared goffs receivers
in that.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Game there was No. Pooka.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Right, So Jared goff's a really good. Player and if
you ever here's another. Thing have you ever noticed With
Jared goff that his coordinators get head coaching. Jobs he's
like a stimulus package every coordinator he. Has everybody's, like,
man that's a good. Coordinator, yeah because they Have Jared
(38:27):
goff right, now he's completing over seventy five percent of his.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Throws, well, well he's got a good old.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Line so to The, colts sort of The Denver, broncos
sort to The Philadelphia, eagles and they can't get their offense.
Right philadelphia has got the best offensive line in. Football
they can't, pass they can't. Run Jared goff's completing seventy
five percent of his throws passer rating a one to twenty.
One and he's not real, mobile he's not real. Stylish
whatever you, Think i'm. Crazy Jared goff's in his. Prime
(38:58):
this offensive line in this front off. Us they just
drafted interior offensive. Lineman they're not getting rid Of Pennay.
Seol this offensive line's going nowhere. Nowhere rams his former
team have offensive line, Issues lions. Won't Here's Taylor, decker offensive,
tackle on what you get big praise for.
Speaker 11 (39:20):
Golf we got a superstar quarterback who can do, everything
make every, throw knows the whole, playbook knows the, defenses prepares,
incredibly and he's not afraid to take a. Hit you,
know we don't want him to get, it but if
he has, to he's not.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Afraid go back to his, YouTube his cow. GAMES i
watched them get ragdalled at cal bad offensive. Lines the
guy kept standing up and taking the. Hits you think
WHEN i say That Jared Goff's hall Of, famer all
of you are.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Like, whoa, whoa. Whoa it's not even gonna be. Close
he got to a Super. Bowl go look at his.
Numbers they're.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Insane he's Like Kirk cousins with a much better. Arm
He's Matt ryan with a much better. Arm there's an
Argument goff's got the best mechanics in the. League he
has great, mechanics super. Accurate no we go and, again,
well he's got a good old.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Line so Does.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Philadelphia they can't figure out half their. Offense sort of The,
colts sort of The. Broncos he's second in touchdown passes
since twenty. Seventeen Jared goff.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Second you know What i'm.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Saying he's making The hall of. Fame Joel, klatt who
will make the broadcasting hall of. Fame he is around
the corner hour two and A, wednesday it's The hurt
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