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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's hour two. It's The Herd, the
show that wants to actually see Bad Bunny at the
super Bowl at halftime. Great to be back, Joel Klas
to be joining us in a couple of minutes, all
fired up. So I saw this right now, there's it's
not an anomaly. I think this is the future of
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the NFL. So Jmak right now, this is this is incredible.
There are fifteen current NFL quarterbacks, almost half the lead,
with a passer rating over one hundred. Okay, last year
it was eleven. The year before it was six. So
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when people complain about quarterback play, this is the best
it's ever been in my life. I think there are
three reasons why it's the best I've ever seen in
my life. Number one, the coaching. There's never been this
many great young coaches. These Sean mcvays are and Kevin
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O'Connell's their teachers, their mentors, and it's like we got
like seven Sean Payton and Andy Reid's out there who are
very good mentors. So the coaching, the young quarterback coaching,
I mean, watch Trevor Lawrence Monday with Liam Cohen. He's
a flawed quarterback. This's the best, most comfortable, I think,
well comfortable. They kind of go back and forth, but
it's the best Trevor Lawrence has ever been. So the coaching,
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there's just more smart guys coaching. Secondly, quarterbacks are getting
personal coaching seven on seven. They just have more snaps
coming out of college. I mean Bonnis had sixty one
college starts, Jayden Daniels fifty five, brock Perty had almost fifty,
and that doesn't count the seven on seven coaching, the
summer stuff. So the quarterbacks come in with more reps,
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more completions, more attempts, better coaching. And the third thing
that doesn't get talked about is that because almost all
quarterbacks not named Stafford and Jared Goff are mobile, and
because they're mobile, you have to play zone defense. Now
in the NFL, you can't turn your back on a quarterback,
and so zone defense allows for quarterbacks to hit spots.
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So quarterbacks have better coaches to hit spots. More starts
coming into the NFL to hit spots, and they're good
at hitting spots. They're not having the new you know. Now,
Aaron Rodgers is still a guy that throws the great
back shoulder. Aaron Rodgers is so precise it works. You know,
he can not only hit the spots, but Aaron has
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a way of throwing eyes open. Not a lot of
quarterbacks do. There are not a lot of Aaron Rodgers.
Tom Brady was talking about it this past weekend and
I don't care what the PFF number says. I think
Aaron's playing smart, great football. Here was Tom this weekend
beyond impressed.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And I think at that age, there's so many other
factors that come into.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Play about how to be a great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And you know, we all want to talk about what
happens in the offseason with him, and there's some things
that are there's a lot of narratives out there.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's a little different, but what we know about him
on the field is he's a surgical passer, he's got
a killer instinct, he's hyper competitive, and I think he's
brought all those things to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And look at these numbers in the last three years alone.
In twenty twenty three, one quarterback completed seventy plus percent
of his throws. Last year five, this year nine. Now
it may end up being six or seven. One hundred
plus passer ratings three years ago, six, last year eleven,
now fifteen. Now we've had very nice warm fall weather
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that helps too. Good weather helps quarterbacks. Buffalo played New England.
It's eighty Okay, so some years it's forty six and
it's windy. But the quality of quarterback play, the coaching's better.
The kids are getting personal coaching and more snaps, and
everybody's playing zone. And when you're playing zone, it for
some of these guys like the Bakers that have been
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around in this league forever, it's a lot of pitch
and catch if you get the right coach. And with that,
Joel Clatt, the voice of college football on Fox Sports,
is joining US live. He'll have Ohio State against Illinois.
Good to see you. By the way, I saw yesterday
there was an hour I thought it was way too
harsh on arch Manning. Okay, The Athletic had an article
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is he the first flop? And I pointed out, because
I like high school football recruiting, fifty percent of the
five star quarterbacks miss badly. Sure, a couple of years
ago USC had one, and then he's at Boise State
that he's at UTEP like that's actually what happens all
the time. I don't think think arch Manning is flopped.
I think he is the reality. If you think it's
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hard for NFL gms to figure out what twenty two
year olds can play, what do you think it's like
for SARK trying to figure out what sixteen and seventeen
year olds can play. I think the transition high school
to college is tougher than college to the pros for quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I think the expectations were there, though only because he
started a couple.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Of games last year look good, He's run.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
This is his third year, you know, so I think
everyone thought that he was going to come out and
play better than he has, and he hasn't. Arch has
not played well at all, and Texas has not played well.
And that's the other part is that they're not doing
really anything. Well, the offensive line, which was rebuilt this
year after a veteran group a year ago, they have
not protected him at all. When they do protect him,
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he doesn't throw the ball well, they can't run it
very well. Sark talked about that after that game against
Florida last week that they lost. So the offensive line
doesn't give him much help. The wide receivers I think
are taking a step down as a group. Right, let's
just say from what they have had over the last
couple of years. And then yeah, he just has not
played very good football. And it's a dangerous week because
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their backs are against the wall. They've got to win
to keep themselves alive in the college football playoff conversation.
And they're going up against a team that I think
has a better defense than Florida and a better defensive
line than Florida. So how much pressure is Art's going
to be under from that defensive line for OU and
the Red River game? You know they could be in
for another rude awakening this week. And here's the other part.
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If you look at what they've done against FBS competition,
it's like nothing, nothing, So there's no evidence that would
lead you to believe that this is going to turn
around all of a sudden. It's not like they've had
some performance against a good team that would lead you
to believe.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
That all of a sudden it's going to get better,
you know, in a weird way. I was thinking about
this this morning, driving in in a weird way. The
pressure's off Sark because I think the public thinks you
can't bench a Manning, So all the heat goes to
Arch any other quarterback with this record be getting crushed.
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But the public knows you can't benj A Manning, even
though you could, because the family totally gets and I
think it's taken. Nobody's banging on Sark. It's true, and
I think so not that he's a winner in this
he wants to win, but a in a strange sort
of galaxy, it's taken heat off Sark. Yeah, But I
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do think the only pushback I would give is that
they're starting the narrative is starting to build for Sark
around big games, and that that he does not win
those big games, similar to how it's built now for
game last decade for James Franklin. That's exactly right, and
so those are games that they've got to start performing
a lot better, even even.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Last year in the playoff. You know, yes, they got
to a point where they were playing in a really
tight game, in a great game against Ohio State, but
you could you could claim that they may be underperformed
against Arizona State and we're lucky to get away from
that game in an overtime game when they had to
have a fourth down conversion to do it. Texas right
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now is not playing nearer to their ability. I think
that falls on their quarterback, but it also falls on
their head coach, and he knows that Sark knows that
they have got to get better. But part of the
main issue is the offensive line. And when your offensive
line is not playing well and you're struggling at quarterback,
it's a terrible combination.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
That's exactly what's going on. I will say this weekend
before the show, Jason comes up, what do you want
to talk about with Klatt? And I said Clatt and
Nile just let her rip. But one thing that is
really important is that USC has the right ad. They've
spent a lot of money and I always defended Lincoln
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Riley with Alex Grinch and when the nil they couldn't
figure it out for like three years. Yeah, they were
spending the money wrong. That the them, This is true.
Now they got a lot of money. And I said,
this game against Michigan is a Lincoln Riley defining game.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Oh interesting, you're putting that on this weekend. I think
it's huge. Okay, okay, So and not a good matchup
for them.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, it's at home that matters in college that's a touchdown,
and especially coming all the way west.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
We've seen that in the Big Ten where the travel
has been an issue for teams, but Notre Dame follows.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And their quarterback right now is on fire. Yeah. CJ.
Carr is playing great. They're not beating Oregon in Eugene.
Just that's not happening. You would doubt it. You would
doubt it. You lose this weekend, you might as well
put four losses down. And I'm not talking at Nebraska.
I'm not talking about that. You're out of the playoff.
And my take is this team, Michigan's physical. They have
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got to meet them. That Illinois game, well we haven't
seen that. What if they're just what if it's this
hole Lincoln runs this speed offense and it doesn't matter
what the personnel is they're never going to be a
punch in the mouth program.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Well.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
See, the only pushback I would give on that is
that they were at Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
They could run it.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
They could run it really well, and in a few
of those years when he was the head coach, they
actually had the best offensive line in America, won the
Joe More Award.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
How does their defense Their defense struggled. Okay, so that's
my point.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And I will say this though, that we have not
seen like I just said that there's no evidence to
suggest that Texas would all of a sudden play great
this weekend, right especially on the offensive side. That there's
not a ton of evidence right now that would suggest
that USC is all of a sudden going to match
the physicality of a team like Michigan. We haven't seen that.
Whether they've been on the road, whether they've been at home, they've.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Struggled with that.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
So they've had to outskill people a lot of the times,
and it didn't do It didn't work out. We think
about the Illinois game.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You were at Amos of that game, brutal, and you
know what Illinois did.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
They went back to the drawing board and they said,
you know what, why don't we just see if they're
tough enough and we're going to run right at them
And they couldn't handle that, couldn't handle it. So from
a matchup standpoint, if you're sitting there and you're Sharon
Moore in the University of Michigan and you're that program
that runs the ball well, heck, they had one hundred
yard rusher last week, Justice Hayes against the number one
rushing defense in the country. I know what's Onson's not
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a great team, but that element of their team is
pretty good, and they ran the ball well at least
at times against Wisconsin. If you're sitting there and you're
Michigan and you're building a game plan, aren't you looking
your chops saying to yourself, We're.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Going to run right at this crew.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Now, I would say this in USC's defense or in
their corner. If I'm building a game plan against Michigan,
I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Try to throw the football.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, I'm going to try to get away from their rush,
throw the football and try to outscale them on the outside.
That's exactly what USC can do. So this one is
a clash of styles.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yes, I think.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
It's a really important game for both programs.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Styles make fights. The difference is Michigan is a recent natty,
Michigan's recruiting is elite. Nobody questions Michigan's toughness.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
That's right, And I think that's the question right now
for usc IS. Can they line up and play a
physical brand of football? Now, we'll see, We'll see. But again,
I just go back to this level of evidence. Do
I think usc is going to be able to stop
Michigan from running the football?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
No, that's the answer. The answer is no. Can I
vet a little bit here? Sure is? I try to
be optimistic, but I can be cranky like everybody else.
I can times, don't get angry. Sure can the coaches
on the West Coast stop complaining about these Big ten coaches?
All the travel? You got four roadies? All you big
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powerhouse schools, never go on the road out of conference.
You got four roadies. One may have bad weather, Give
me a break. We wanted the Big ten page. I
typically agree because well, what's the alternative?
Speaker 6 (12:35):
You know?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
And even I won't name any names, But like when
they do say that, I think to them, I always
think to myself, would you like to join Washington State
in Oregon State, Like, how's it working out for them?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Like? What was the alternative? Prime example? So, and I
think about this all the time. I sometimes I complain.
So yesterday I ran into the big Cheese upstairs. Okay,
and I don't love this whole Chicago La flying back
and forth.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Wait, you just said you didn't like people that complain
about travel.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, exception, I don't like I don't like getting on
a plane. But I'm sitting there with the big cheese.
That guy flies two hundred and seventy times a year, okay,
and I'm like, get over yourself. That guy's on a
plane con. He's on a plane con. So my take
is the NFL guys, I mean it just you're constantly
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traveling the other week and it's brutal.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
And you're kicking different time zone.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And you got parents, and you got you got grandma
living in the basement, you got your your family. College
guys are like having a good time and then they
travel four times a year.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I will say, so I know this for a fact.
When when Ohio State went to Washington earlier this year.
Now they have a basis for this because they traveled
out before the Rose Bowl and the CFP just two
days early. It wasn't like a true bowl game experience
where they were out there for the entire week. So
they treated it, you know, like the CFP and went
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out a day or Orlando.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Michigan State has.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Done that as well, but they used it actually as
like a defining or a beneficial thing for their program.
We're going to go out there and do something specific.
From a team buildings, you've got to take the I
don't need the adversity, if you want to call it that.
You've got to take what's in front of you and
look for ways to make it work for you. How
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is this advantageous for you? I think you have to
spin it positively. It's like when you're traveling with your kids.
You're like, you know, you tell your wife, hey man,
I love the airport.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Whenever you're going to see Grandma and you get in
the car with your kids, what do you say, Hey, guys,
the food's going to be great, peanut butter and jolly sandwiches,
movies how much? But you don't go it's going to
be a long drive. You literally, I asked Brett Musburger one,
I don't love when coaches put the seed in their
player's mind early in the week and it's like, this
is tough. We don't have this, we don't have that.
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You're giving them an out, you're giving them an excuse.
Years ago, I did an event with with Brett Musselberger
it must have been fifteen years ago, and I said,
looking live and I'm like, how do you You're like
in these small markets, how do you travel? How do
you do it? And he goes young man. I was like, fifty,
young man, I don't know where I'm going until Thursday.
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He's like, I don't know the next assignment. I just
won assignment in a time. And I'm like, that's a
great way to look at travels. Sure, so stop complaining
because oh we got a flight to Seattle. You're not
flying to Pasco. It's a big city with a big airport. Well.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I tend to agree, and I think that the coaches
that don't make it a big deal, it doesn't become
a big deal for their players.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Okay, Penn State, we gotta be honest about it. Here's
the thing. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell I'm gonna
name the top six programs in the country. Okay, in
terms of revenue, what you can pay coaching staffs, O
your quality of recruiting, all right, Georgia, Ohio State, Texas Point,
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Notre Dame's good. I would say I would throw out LSU, LSU,
probably Michigan, maybe Tennessee. I'll put Tennessee in and I
don't know Michigan's and IL, but I'll say Michigan. So
let's that's that's the top five. Probably USC well right
now with there an IL. Yes, I'm gonna bang on
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those programs. If you're seven and Oregon Oregon because of
Phil Knight's money, Oregon absolutely is the top. Yeah, but
they've got no recruiting. Yeah, but they buy them. Who
can't reach you that those days are over? Just go
buy it. Okay, you know there's a reason they are Wisconsin.
The difference is they have uniforms and Phil Knight they're Oregon.
They don't have any players. So what's wrong with these programs. Nothing?
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But I'm gonna hold those programs to a different standard
then I'm gonna hold Penn State and what you're giving
them an out. I'm saying with Penn State, you can't
lose to own for u c LA.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
You can't give him an out. You can't give him
an out. You can't give him an out. Like, what
do we don't give him an out?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I'm just saying I don't hold Penn State to Georgia
standards or Ohio State standard.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I mean, requiring them to beat an zero and four
team is not holding them to Georgia's standard.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Or Ohio State standards. Not a good first half.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I mean, if you're holding him to those that standard,
then you would require them to beat Oregon as the
higher ranked and favorite team at home and what is
the most elite environment in college football.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
See here's the here's the.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Problem with what went on Saturday is that they allowed
Oregon to beat them twice. And what's going on right
now at Penn State is that the match between what
they're trying to do schematically really on both sides, but
more specifically on the offensive side doesn't fit what their
players do best. They're running an offense you know for
Tim Tebow and Drew Aller is back there, and it's like, well,
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those those two things aren't the same thing. Running quarterback
read you know, power on fourth down with Drew Aller,
with the game on the line is probably not the
best decision. I mean, UCLA was all over there. They
were all over It was a great defensive call on
their part. You know, the wide receiver corps at Penn
State has wildly underperformed.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
They have over the last.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Few years, and they've even changed out the wide receivers
that have been there. They don't get off a bump coverage,
they don't run their routes hard, they don't provide clean pictures.
You know, I made the argument on my show that
what would if I what would I What would you
say if I told you that the best player in
a Penn State uniform on Saturday and that loss was
Drew Aller. He was he was the only reason that
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they were in the game. The problem was is that
their scheme doesn't fit what he does best. And then
he's got all of a sudden escape and run for
four or five first downs, which he did, but it's
not who he is, and he does that and he
keeps them in the game, and then they don't allow
him to do what he's best at. And that's what
ultimately James has got to figure that out. And James
Franklin knows that and he understands that they've got to
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get better immediately because they still have to go to
Ohio State, they still have to host Indiana, and they're
already sitting on two losses. So Saturday was one of
those inexplicable things for Penn State.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It cannot happen.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
And I don't think it's it's holding them to too
high a standard to say, like, those are games that
not only are devastating that you lose, you cannot lose
those games.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So for years, I think the NFL sort of looked
down on college football. Sure, quality isn't very good, and
now they run all of their offenses't that funny. But
I think guys like Belichick are like Saturday Football. So
there is a little bit of college football looking at
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Belichick right now and going, oh, how's it going there, Chap.
I'll tell you this, I think college football coaches love
that Belichick is doing a belly flop. This thing is
a mess. It doesn't look good, and they what college
football coaches have always said is we're dealing with nineteen
year olds and their parents and donors and boosters and
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the goofy NCAA college football coaching, you don't get vacation.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Well, no, And it's also more of a CEO role
than it is a head coaching role. It's less about
football than you would actually anticipate.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Now, some are great at both, you know, and I
think Kirby's great at both. I think Ryan Day is
great at both. I think Dan Landing is is greater.
Chris Peterson was great at unbelievable. But you've got to
be an executive at now more than anything. You got
to wear all the hats. So, for instance, you know,
right after the season, you've got to spend three days
meeting with every single player and every single agent and
talking about the revenue share, what line of the line
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of the revenue.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Share you're going to get.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
And I thought that because college football has become more transactional,
that it was actually a good time for Bill Belichick
to get into college football. And while I still kind
of agree with that, and maybe this will turn out
better going forward, but right now, there's just not a
cohesiveness and connection with what I see on the field
and what I'm sure i'm you know, he's being is
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being said during meetings and everything that is not connecting.
He's a very gruff guy, it's not Charlie Weiss failed,
but it's not just the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Though.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Let me just Charlie Weiss wasn't great in college, although
he had pockets of success.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Like with Will Brady, Charlie was and I know Charlie
and I like it. He was gruff.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
But there are guys that are having success, you know,
like like Chip came back and had success with with
Ohio State, but like Jeff Haffley came to Ohio State
and now he's in the NFL and done well. Think
of those defensive oriented coaches that came from Baltimore to
help out Harrorball, like Mike McDonald who's now in Seattle
and Jesse Mentor who is now the coordinator. Guys, though
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Matt Patricia comes to the NFL and what is he doing.
He's really succeeding with Ohio State number one defense in
the country. So I don't want to put like a
blanket statement of like, oh, the NFL guys they come
down here and they don't know how to work, because
some of them are doing it really really well at
North Carolina. Right now, it's just not connecting. There's no
cohesiveness right now with what you know, the message is
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and what you're seeing on the field.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So the best two teams in the country, I don't
think it's that difficult. Are Ohio State one Oregon two.
I think you have to put Miami in that conversation.
Three Okay, they looked a part no SEC teams in that.
You know, the.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
SEC this year is deeper than they have been in
the past. That you know, they had a run where
they were so elite at the top, man like, so
elite at the top. I don't think that there's the
great team in the SEC this year, but there's a
lot of really good teams. The best team might be
Texas A and m might be Ole miss You know,
I think that we're going to find out a lot
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about the SEC this weekend when BAMA goes to Missouri.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
How about this, Indiana, Go look at the spread Indiana
is going to play Oregon. Not a big spread. I
think it's what four and a half? What does that
tell you about Indiana? I think Indiana is a really
good team. Clearly. Yeah. I mean I saw Illinois play fifth.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Let me put it to you this way. Labeled a
big ten.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Guy, Indiana is the equivalent to me of a Missouri
or an ole Miss. At least Vegas is telling you
at least yeah, there's no doubt. So Vegas is telling
you if Ole Miss went to Oregon, it'd be four
points per Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's absolutely right. Indiana would be just doing exactly the same.
Indiana is just as good as Oklahoma or Ole Miss
or Texas.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
A and M.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Those guys went to Austin, what would the line be?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
And for Indiana if any of those teams went to Indiana,
that team is incredible at home, you know, and and
there is Listen, they're always going to get a little
bit of a narrative bump down there. There's no doubt,
but there's there is no questioning the fact that at
the top they're not quite as good as what they
have been, and they're deeper in the middle this year,
and who knows how that is all going to play out.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Don't don't crush Indiana for the Notre Dame name last year.
They have made a move. They're better than last year.
I think they are well, I think they are. They're
they're they're they're more explosive, and I think they have
more good play.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
This will this will tell us a lot about Indiana
because this is a very difficult place to play against
what I think is an elite college football team in Oregon,
and Dan Lanning will have those guys ready to go.
There's there's no doubt about it. But I think Indiana
is going to have a chance in that game.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It's good scene.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
It's great to see you. I know that travel is
hard for you, but good to see you.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't want to complain about it. No, I don't.
Don't put that seed in the staff's head, you know, No.
I mean these guys are spoiled, are they. We're like
an indie band with a great budget. I mean, I'm
just there're out there partying every night, having a good time.
There's no structure to any of this except they all.
You know, we have a big budget. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
That's level five leadership folks right there and just bang
on the staff.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
You guys have it easy when I show up, and
you'll work hard for them. When I show up in
the morning, I'm just praying. I see cars. Half the
time they're here, half the time they're not. I never
know what's happening. That's okay, good, It's great to see you.
But four baseball games today. Oh, it's gonna be great
for base gonna be great. Yeah, how about that Yankees win?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That was nice.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
They're not winning that series, you don't think so. They're starting,
pitching is getting crushed. I can see that Toronto is
a good team. Didn't you play minor league baseball? I
did for three seasons. Well, who was the organization?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Padres? They dodged a bullet. I barely hit over the
Mendoza line. That was a quick exit back to college.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, well, what are you gonna do? You always have
your innermural? Colorado Football yours.
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Speaker 1 (26:11):
You know, it's amazing about this job. How many of
you have gone to work, walk down the hallway and
bumped into Derek Jeter. I'm literally walking down, I'm going
to the bathroom. Walk out of the bathroom. Hey, jeez,
what's up? What's going on, Bud? I don't know. Maybe
you're in your accounting office. You know, you used to
bump into Elvis or something. But it's it's not very,
(26:31):
very infrequent. I think most Americans come out of the
bathroom at your workplace, you're walking into the studio. It's
Derek Jeter. He's all fired up. So right after our show,
four baseball games, it's probably it's the best baseball day
of the year today. If you're a baseball fan, this
will be as good as it gets. You're gonna have.
I'm gonna say, Tigers even it up. I don't know
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about the Yankees. We'll see Tigers even it up. Milwaukee's
a better team. Milwaukee's better than the Cubs.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Running to Derek Jeter, and you don't think it's a
sign that here come the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You nothing, you put that together. I'm not okay. J
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
This is the herd Line News, all right, Uh, Thursday
night football Giants Eagles colin Uh. Saquon Barkley has, as
the kids like to say, low key dominated the New
York Giants last season one hundred and seventy six yards
in a touchdown. He went off in that game. Uh,
in both games. And here's Dexter Lawrence talking about Saquon
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being a big time problem will.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Be a pleasure. The speak teams, teams scheming for him.
It happens. But you know, you don't want to be
the team to let them get hot. So you gotta
stay stay disciplined. Thursday and you know, gow.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Well, it's a short week. It's a tough spot for
a young quarterback in a short week to a cranky
Eagles team off a loss. It's franky. It's just a
it's a bad spot for the Giants.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Yeah, you know, like the phrase smoking mirrors, I tell
you like that. That was Jackson Dart against the Chargers, right,
he got it, took over inside the ten yard line
twice and they scored ten points. He had a couple
of nice runs then reality hit when he turned it
over five times in a row. The team did against
the Saints five Eagles defense a little better than the
(28:23):
SAME's defense. You would agree this feels like a body
bag game. Thirty to ten Eagles.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I don't know if i'd go there. Philadelphia is going
to win the game. But you got to remember Philadelphia
and this isn't a little thing. The Eagles are struggling offense.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
But they had that closed door meeting. Players only meeting.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You to that means nothing. Oh really, I thought that
was huge if you if you are have a winning
record and are having closed door meeting, what's what's to
have a closed door about? Well?
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Probably, hey, AJ Brown, can you put a cork in
it and stop complaining every week? Maybe one of those
I don't I don't know, and AJ we'll get you.
The ball just simmered down.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They were throwing at all in the last four games
to AJ Brown as much as Amor on Saint Brown.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Exactly, So, stop talking to the press about this nonsense,
stop reading books on the sideline and tweeting crap.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Play football. They're given him for John Jefferson omor on
Saint Brown targets.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Yeah, so I'm assuming it was the whole team. It
was like a what do they call that when like
somebody's struggling and you bring in all the friends to like, uh, intervention,
Maybe they had an intervention. It was it was three
guys talking Jalen and the leaders. That's what leaders do.
They step up and talk to the problem child, get
(29:36):
him in line. Has done nothing this year, which I
believe is a bit of a problem. Three yards to
carry this season.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Well he's getting hit immediately.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
So Landon Dickerson out. Sounds like a new offensive coordinator
in not great. All right, let's move on to more
not great. And that's the Miami Dolphins. Just an epic
disaster of a season. How about last week I gave
out the Panthers and when the Panthers were down seventeen nothing,
I was like, oh, that was a whist. Carolina Storm's
(30:05):
back gets the win. And next thing you know, Mike
McDaniel had a meeting with Dolphins owners Steven or Ross mcdian.
Mike McDaniel talked to the media about how that meeting went.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
He was really frustrated at the.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
You know, just like he's as as I was, and
you know, we talked about the challenge ahead to get
ready for the Chargers, and that was kind of the
extent of it.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
What happened to the cool Mike mcdanney, the one who
was like my South Beach cool and was like he
was apparently struggling to speak here the last four times
I have seen him at the podium, He's not the
same guy, dishoveled rat.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
He's not. He's just doesn't feel like And by the way,
is that what the players are seeing in team meetings?
He does not have it. He has lost the vibe you.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Talked about meeting with the big ball this is upstairs.
Can you imagine if McDaniel was talking like that with
the owner of the Dolphins, fumbling his words. He sounded
like a guy who goes when you go to put
air in your tires. He's like, oh, can't speak, and
it's like, whoa, whoa dude, Mike McDaniel. I think he's
lost the plot here in Miami. It does not look
good for him. Is he the first coach fired?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well, last year we said eber Fluis was on the
hot seat, and he was, and then he got fired.
And I think Mike McDaniel was the coach in the
hot seat, and he is and the truck. Be very
careful about letting goes. We know he's a great play
designer and call it. We know he's smart. Be very
careful about firing coaches, because what happens is interims come in.
(31:43):
They'll they'll here's what Miami is going to do. If
they move off McDaniel this year, they're going to elevate
the opposite of him, somebody that's got more alpha, because
that's what he doesn't have. So this is what they do.
The pendulum swings too far, they'll bring it an alpha,
and the alpha will get the players fired up and
they'll win some games, and everybody like that guy should
be the head coach. So I don't like interim coaches.
(32:03):
Maybe for a game or two, but you know, like
when you get the interim coach or Tantonio Pierce and
everybody's playing hard for him because he's an alpha and
the players love him because he's a dog, he's an alpha,
and you give that guy the head coaching job and
you're like, yeah, that's not the guy. So my take is,
you know he's smart, you know he's a good play caller.
I would keep him because I think he's good for Tua,
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and Tua is the centerpiece of the franchise.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Yeah, speaking of things not going well for head coach,
his final story is the Arizona Cardinals unbelievably have fined
Jonathan getting their head coach one hundred large after he
was seen making physical contact with running back and goat
in de Mercato. I don't know how to say his
first name. Who botched the game for the Cardinals? Say,
you can look at the video on screen here again,
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and this I think was shot from some guy in
the stands. Yeah, but you let's just talk about making contact.
So it's that second swing that people are fired up about.
But here's my thing. Aaron Glenn with a boxing glove
at practice punching.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
The ball out.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Isn't that what Gannon's doing.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
With that second film is say hold on to the
damn ball boom. But you know, it's intent, it's timing,
it's intent. I don't think you should touch players, but
I also think you're better off cutting players. So would
you rather a coach get mad at you or him
cut you so they didn't cut him? You know, I
don't think this is the way to ingratiate yourself with
young athletes. But I also think it's inexcusable what the
(33:27):
player did so to me, I would I would DNP.
I'm not playing the players.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Well, they're down to their third stringer and their fourth
stringer was I think on the Jets like two years ago,
like it's bleak in Arizona. On principle, I cut him
from my fantasy team. I was like, I can't even
see your name anymore. That being said, Cal, the first
bump here, isn't that one of these cume on man
get in the game like a tap to the chest.
I don't find that to be one hundred thousand dollars more.
(33:53):
You've done that to me here on set when I
screw up a read, J Matt come on like a
little slap to the chest. I'm like, hey, yeah, I
get I think physically, I think.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
When you have a power dynamic of older man younger person,
you want to stay out of physicality. Come on, I
think you want to stay out of physical stuff. It's
not just my tes a shove. We've seen other coaches.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
I'm not going to get in and pull the video
of Belichick and Read and I'm not going to do that.
I just think this was overblown. By the way, it
may be overblown. Gannon feels like a dead man walking home.
They are, by the way, Kyler Murray, how about this
not practicing today?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I thought the strangest part of this game after the
fumble was the fact that Kyler Murray got hit in
the head with a snap and didn't get touched and
left the game.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
So they're saying he stepped wrong out what he was
like going for I didn't see anything, but it was
very weird. It's like almost he was like embarrassed a car.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That's what I thought. I thought he was embarrassed because
I'm like, they showed the replay and I'm like, I
don't understand how I got hurt. I got hurt, feelings
got hurt. I didn't see the.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
It's weird how quickly this team has gone downhill. Remember
they almost beat San fran two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, you know why because every NFL team Kansas City
a couple of weeks ago is in crisis mode. When
you go into crisis mode in any company, anybody listening
to there right now, who's ever run a company, small
or big going to crisis mode? What happens. You have
to have an identity. Arizona has no identity. New England
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gave the game away, gave the game away to Pittsburgh.
But in three weeks they'd already created a resilience and
an identity. They come back the following week, they're great.
You have the first thing you have to do as
a coach. What are we? Who are we? So?
Speaker 6 (35:37):
What are the Cardinals?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Exactly?
Speaker 6 (35:39):
If you were giving them a branding itation that they
don't have that. Kyler their identity. No, yeah, he said
two weeks ago, I don't know if I'm gonna be
here for the new facility that opens.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
So that's why Rabel comes in, Hardball comes in by Camp.
The Chargers are a more physical team. That's why when
you hire a head coach in the NFL, it's not
about getting the hipster, the smarter, it's about somebody that
can build an identity in a brand in four to
five weeks. That's what Harbaugh does, That's what Brabel does,
(36:09):
That's what Dan camp. It's not even winning. You don't
have to win first year. You don't have to win.
Mike McDaniel's been there four years. They have no identity.
Gannon's problem is what are they? There is there so
because every team in the league will hit crisis mode.
It's the NFL Brady's teams. You go back to the dynasty,
they had two or three games where they're like they
(36:29):
had a three or four year stretch. They don't want
a playoff game. Like, what are you?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
I got an idea, Why don't you and I start
a crisis management company. I'll identify the crises and you
solved them. Because I think you just fixed the Cardinals Gannon,
listen up, maybe you beat the Colts.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I don't think that the company's gonna work that well.
Jmack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Now, by the way, the Dolphins fired McDaniel, and I
wouldn't do it. I'd let the season play out. They
would probably in the interim Anthony Weaver defensive co ordinator.
As a former player, he's kind of the opposite of him.
So you bring him in. What if Anthony wins in? Oh,
let's getting the head coach, which I'm not against. If
he is brilliant and he's a young, smart guy, I'm
not against it. But what happens is players play hard.
(37:13):
It's like the substitute teacher. Everybody loves the substitute teacher.
Substitute teacher stays for about three or four weeks. Nobody
wants the teacher back. It's okay for a weekend, it's
kay for a friday the teacher sick, but three or
four weeks nobody wants the teacher back. So you have
to be careful about the firing a coach bringing an
interim in for eight nine weeks, you can get trapped.
(37:35):
You can get trapped. Antonio Pears with the Raiders, Josh
McDaniel out early, Antonio Pears, Raw Raw, that's the guy.
Was it the best guy? It was the guy in
the moment. A lot of people in a moment are successful.
A lot of quarterbacks who aren't very good have three
week stretches when you're like, what Jake Browning, so you'd
be oh, boy, Jake Browning, and over the course of
a season, Jake Browning can't make certain plays and let's
(37:57):
go get Joe Flacco. A lot of people in spots
or good two three weeks temp employee. There are people
you know, like, hey, the chef gets sick, the prep
Cook takes over for a night too. You're like, darn good,
try to run in the restaurant Friday Saturday, seven hundred tables.
It's a whole different ballgame.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Cooper rushed with the Cowboys. Try filed in Cooper for four.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Or five weeks. That's what I've said. If if you
have a backup play for four weeks, can he win two?
I mean, Mac Jones was a starter and made a
Pro Bowl, so he's better than your average backup. But
this idea of you know, these interim coaches, they get
the energy of the team. Guys play over their skis,
Guys play, you know.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Free Ucla football. We just saw the other.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Game at the best game in ten years at UCLA.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Oh, you hire the guy, right.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
It may be that one of those guys, Jerry Neuheisel
and the other guy, maybe they are great, But the
history of interim coaches, you get a certain energy that
you can't duplicate over the long term. It's the hurt.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
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Speaker 6 (39:06):
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Speaker 2 (39:15):
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Speaker 1 (39:20):
By the way, our show at the end of this
hour will be moving to the Fox Sports app for
the final hour of our show, which by the way,
is fantastic. Four baseball games today, Tigers Mariners around a
corner a week six NFL schedule, and my sixth sense
of week six schedule in the NFL is that we
could have some upsets this weekend. Keep your eye on
(39:42):
the upsets.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
That was the last weekend, boss. No, let me guess.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Let me guess.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Joe Flacco, who already beat the Packers and was just
aimed the starter for the Bengals face the Packers. Is
he going to beat the Packers twice in one season?
They're fifteen point dogs at one shop fifteen?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Why are the Broncos only favored by a touchdown over
the Jets.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
Because it's in London and they're still celebrating and went
over the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Just interesting.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
Justin Field's running for his life literally against Nick Bonito
and company.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I'm gonna give you a game and just yell out
the team you think will win Seahawks of the Jags.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
I was gonna bet the Jags this morning. I have
not fired yet a lot of people betting Seattle. People
love the Seahawks. I don't know if this is you
driving that bus, but nationally everybody's like, oh, Seahawks. And
then you say Jags got lucky to beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I'm not driving the number. Believe me the platform. I'll
repeat from your first kay Detroit at Kansas City. I
like to hug the Lions. This one's interesting. Chicago at Washington.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
Give me Jayden Daniels. By the way, do you like
the double header on Monday night football? The actually good quarterbacks?
Finally can't stand it? Yeah, well, we get Alan Pennox,
Caleb Jaden.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Wouldn't it be better if the Bears if Caleb and
Jaden Daniels were meeting in the late window? Because Bengals
at Green Bay not that interesting. MICHAEH.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
Parsons off a bye.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I think it. I'll tell you this. San Francisco at Tampa.
That is fun.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
That's a good game. Well, we don't know who tiged out.
We don't know who's starting anywhere for the Niners.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
It doesn't matter of fact, receiver Mac Jones is as
good as rock Purty this morning because brock Perty is
not at one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
Interim coach, Interim quarterback is the same thing.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
A fly here. It doesn't Mac Jones.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
Who's he QB won for next year?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Mac Jones?
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Can the Niner slip him for like a thing?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
If I was Cincinnati, I'd go get him. You got
Joe Burrow? How many weeks last? Joe moving on? Kevin Burkhart.
The Fellas gonna crush it. You should see their room.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's hour two. It's The Herd, the
show that wants to actually see Bad Bunny at the
super Bowl at halftime. Great to be back, Joel Klas
to be joining us in a couple of minutes, all
fired up. So I saw this right now, there's it's
not an anomaly. I think this is the future of
(00:48):
the NFL. So Jmak right now, this is this is incredible.
There are fifteen current NFL quarterbacks, almost half the lead,
with a passer rating over one hundred. Okay, last year
it was eleven. The year before it was six. So
(01:09):
when people complain about quarterback play, this is the best
it's ever been in my life. I think there are
three reasons why it's the best I've ever seen in
my life. Number one, the coaching. There's never been this
many great young coaches. These Sean mcvays are and Kevin
(01:29):
O'Connell's their teachers, their mentors, and it's like we got
like seven Sean Payton and Andy Reid's out there who are
very good mentors. So the coaching, the young quarterback coaching,
I mean, watch Trevor Lawrence Monday with Liam Cohen. He's
a flawed quarterback. This's the best, most comfortable, I think,
well comfortable. They kind of go back and forth, but
it's the best Trevor Lawrence has ever been. So the coaching,
(01:53):
there's just more smart guys coaching. Secondly, quarterbacks are getting
personal coaching seven on seven. They just have more snaps
coming out of college. I mean Bonnis had sixty one
college starts, Jayden Daniels fifty five, brock Perty had almost fifty,
and that doesn't count the seven on seven coaching, the
summer stuff. So the quarterbacks come in with more reps,
(02:14):
more completions, more attempts, better coaching. And the third thing
that doesn't get talked about is that because almost all
quarterbacks not named Stafford and Jared Goff are mobile, and
because they're mobile, you have to play zone defense. Now
in the NFL, you can't turn your back on a quarterback,
and so zone defense allows for quarterbacks to hit spots.
(02:38):
So quarterbacks have better coaches to hit spots. More starts
coming into the NFL to hit spots, and they're good
at hitting spots. They're not having the new you know. Now,
Aaron Rodgers is still a guy that throws the great
back shoulder. Aaron Rodgers is so precise it works. You know,
he can not only hit the spots, but Aaron has
(02:58):
a way of throwing eyes open. Not a lot of
quarterbacks do. There are not a lot of Aaron Rodgers.
Tom Brady was talking about it this past weekend and
I don't care what the PFF number says. I think
Aaron's playing smart, great football. Here was Tom this weekend
beyond impressed.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And I think at that age, there's so many other
factors that come into.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Play about how to be a great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And you know, we all want to talk about what
happens in the offseason with him, and there's some things
that are there's a lot of narratives out there.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's a little different, but what we know about him
on the field is he's a surgical passer, he's got
a killer instinct, he's hyper competitive, and I think he's
brought all those things to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And look at these numbers in the last three years alone.
In twenty twenty three, one quarterback completed seventy plus percent
of his throws. Last year five, this year nine. Now
it may end up being six or seven. One hundred
plus passer ratings three years ago, six, last year eleven,
now fifteen. Now we've had very nice warm fall weather
(04:01):
that helps too. Good weather helps quarterbacks. Buffalo played New England.
It's eighty Okay, so some years it's forty six and
it's windy. But the quality of quarterback play, the coaching's better.
The kids are getting personal coaching and more snaps, and
everybody's playing zone. And when you're playing zone, it for
some of these guys like the Bakers that have been
(04:21):
around in this league forever, it's a lot of pitch
and catch if you get the right coach. And with that,
Joel Clatt, the voice of college football on Fox Sports,
is joining US live. He'll have Ohio State against Illinois.
Good to see you. By the way, I saw yesterday
there was an hour I thought it was way too
harsh on arch Manning. Okay, The Athletic had an article
(04:44):
is he the first flop? And I pointed out, because
I like high school football recruiting, fifty percent of the
five star quarterbacks miss badly. Sure, a couple of years
ago USC had one, and then he's at Boise State
that he's at UTEP like that's actually what happens all
the time. I don't think think arch Manning is flopped.
I think he is the reality. If you think it's
(05:05):
hard for NFL gms to figure out what twenty two
year olds can play, what do you think it's like
for SARK trying to figure out what sixteen and seventeen
year olds can play. I think the transition high school
to college is tougher than college to the pros for quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I think the expectations were there, though only because he
started a couple.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Of games last year look good, He's run.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
This is his third year, you know, so I think
everyone thought that he was going to come out and
play better than he has, and he hasn't. Arch has
not played well at all, and Texas has not played well.
And that's the other part is that they're not doing
really anything. Well, the offensive line, which was rebuilt this
year after a veteran group a year ago, they have
not protected him at all. When they do protect him,
(05:45):
he doesn't throw the ball well, they can't run it
very well. Sark talked about that after that game against
Florida last week that they lost. So the offensive line
doesn't give him much help. The wide receivers I think
are taking a step down as a group. Right, let's
just say from what they have had over the last
couple of years. And then yeah, he just has not
played very good football. And it's a dangerous week because
(06:07):
their backs are against the wall. They've got to win
to keep themselves alive in the college football playoff conversation.
And they're going up against a team that I think
has a better defense than Florida and a better defensive
line than Florida. So how much pressure is Art's going
to be under from that defensive line for OU and
the Red River game? You know they could be in
for another rude awakening this week. And here's the other part.
(06:28):
If you look at what they've done against FBS competition,
it's like nothing, nothing, So there's no evidence that would
lead you to believe that this is going to turn
around all of a sudden. It's not like they've had
some performance against a good team that would lead you
to believe.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
That all of a sudden it's going to get better,
you know, in a weird way. I was thinking about
this this morning, driving in in a weird way. The
pressure's off Sark because I think the public thinks you
can't bench a Manning, So all the heat goes to
Arch any other quarterback with this record be getting crushed.
(07:01):
But the public knows you can't benj A Manning, even
though you could, because the family totally gets and I
think it's taken. Nobody's banging on Sark. It's true, and
I think so not that he's a winner in this
he wants to win, but a in a strange sort
of galaxy, it's taken heat off Sark. Yeah, But I
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do think the only pushback I would give is that
they're starting the narrative is starting to build for Sark
around big games, and that that he does not win
those big games, similar to how it's built now for
game last decade for James Franklin. That's exactly right, and
so those are games that they've got to start performing
a lot better, even even.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Last year in the playoff. You know, yes, they got
to a point where they were playing in a really
tight game, in a great game against Ohio State, but
you could you could claim that they may be underperformed
against Arizona State and we're lucky to get away from
that game in an overtime game when they had to
have a fourth down conversion to do it. Texas right
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now is not playing nearer to their ability. I think
that falls on their quarterback, but it also falls on
their head coach, and he knows that Sark knows that
they have got to get better. But part of the
main issue is the offensive line. And when your offensive
line is not playing well and you're struggling at quarterback,
it's a terrible combination.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
That's exactly what's going on. I will say this weekend
before the show, Jason comes up, what do you want
to talk about with Klatt? And I said Clatt and
Nile just let her rip. But one thing that is
really important is that USC has the right ad. They've
spent a lot of money and I always defended Lincoln
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Riley with Alex Grinch and when the nil they couldn't
figure it out for like three years. Yeah, they were
spending the money wrong. That the them, This is true.
Now they got a lot of money. And I said,
this game against Michigan is a Lincoln Riley defining game.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Oh interesting, you're putting that on this weekend. I think
it's huge. Okay, okay, So and not a good matchup
for them.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, it's at home that matters in college that's a touchdown,
and especially coming all the way west.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
We've seen that in the Big Ten where the travel
has been an issue for teams, but Notre Dame follows.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And their quarterback right now is on fire. Yeah. CJ.
Carr is playing great. They're not beating Oregon in Eugene.
Just that's not happening. You would doubt it. You would
doubt it. You lose this weekend, you might as well
put four losses down. And I'm not talking at Nebraska.
I'm not talking about that. You're out of the playoff.
And my take is this team, Michigan's physical. They have
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got to meet them. That Illinois game, well we haven't
seen that. What if they're just what if it's this
hole Lincoln runs this speed offense and it doesn't matter
what the personnel is they're never going to be a
punch in the mouth program.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Well.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
See, the only pushback I would give on that is
that they were at Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
They could run it.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
They could run it really well, and in a few
of those years when he was the head coach, they
actually had the best offensive line in America, won the
Joe More Award.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
How does their defense Their defense struggled. Okay, so that's
my point.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And I will say this though, that we have not
seen like I just said that there's no evidence to
suggest that Texas would all of a sudden play great
this weekend, right especially on the offensive side. That there's
not a ton of evidence right now that would suggest
that USC is all of a sudden going to match
the physicality of a team like Michigan. We haven't seen that.
Whether they've been on the road, whether they've been at home, they've.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Struggled with that.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
So they've had to outskill people a lot of the times,
and it didn't do It didn't work out. We think
about the Illinois game.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You were at Amos of that game, brutal, and you
know what Illinois did.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
They went back to the drawing board and they said,
you know what, why don't we just see if they're
tough enough and we're going to run right at them
And they couldn't handle that, couldn't handle it. So from
a matchup standpoint, if you're sitting there and you're Sharon
Moore in the University of Michigan and you're that program
that runs the ball well, heck, they had one hundred
yard rusher last week, Justice Hayes against the number one
rushing defense in the country. I know what's Onson's not
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a great team, but that element of their team is
pretty good, and they ran the ball well at least
at times against Wisconsin. If you're sitting there and you're
Michigan and you're building a game plan, aren't you looking
your chops saying to yourself, We're.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Going to run right at this crew.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Now, I would say this in USC's defense or in
their corner. If I'm building a game plan against Michigan,
I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Try to throw the football.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, I'm going to try to get away from their rush,
throw the football and try to outscale them on the outside.
That's exactly what USC can do. So this one is
a clash of styles.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yes, I think.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
It's a really important game for both programs.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Styles make fights. The difference is Michigan is a recent natty,
Michigan's recruiting is elite. Nobody questions Michigan's toughness.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
That's right, And I think that's the question right now
for usc IS. Can they line up and play a
physical brand of football? Now, we'll see, We'll see. But again,
I just go back to this level of evidence. Do
I think usc is going to be able to stop
Michigan from running the football?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
No, that's the answer. The answer is no. Can I
vet a little bit here? Sure is? I try to
be optimistic, but I can be cranky like everybody else.
I can times, don't get angry. Sure can the coaches
on the West Coast stop complaining about these Big ten coaches?
All the travel? You got four roadies? All you big
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powerhouse schools, never go on the road out of conference.
You got four roadies. One may have bad weather, Give
me a break. We wanted the Big ten page. I
typically agree because well, what's the alternative?
Speaker 6 (12:35):
You know?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
And even I won't name any names, But like when
they do say that, I think to them, I always
think to myself, would you like to join Washington State
in Oregon State, Like, how's it working out for them?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Like? What was the alternative? Prime example? So, and I
think about this all the time. I sometimes I complain.
So yesterday I ran into the big Cheese upstairs. Okay,
and I don't love this whole Chicago La flying back
and forth.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Wait, you just said you didn't like people that complain
about travel.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, exception, I don't like I don't like getting on
a plane. But I'm sitting there with the big cheese.
That guy flies two hundred and seventy times a year, okay,
and I'm like, get over yourself. That guy's on a
plane con. He's on a plane con. So my take
is the NFL guys, I mean it just you're constantly
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traveling the other week and it's brutal.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
And you're kicking different time zone.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And you got parents, and you got you got grandma
living in the basement, you got your your family. College
guys are like having a good time and then they
travel four times a year.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I will say, so I know this for a fact.
When when Ohio State went to Washington earlier this year.
Now they have a basis for this because they traveled
out before the Rose Bowl and the CFP just two
days early. It wasn't like a true bowl game experience
where they were out there for the entire week. So
they treated it, you know, like the CFP and went
(14:02):
out a day or Orlando.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Michigan State has.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Done that as well, but they used it actually as
like a defining or a beneficial thing for their program.
We're going to go out there and do something specific.
From a team buildings, you've got to take the I
don't need the adversity, if you want to call it that.
You've got to take what's in front of you and
look for ways to make it work for you. How
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is this advantageous for you? I think you have to
spin it positively. It's like when you're traveling with your kids.
You're like, you know, you tell your wife, hey man,
I love the airport.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Whenever you're going to see Grandma and you get in
the car with your kids, what do you say, Hey, guys,
the food's going to be great, peanut butter and jolly sandwiches,
movies how much? But you don't go it's going to
be a long drive. You literally, I asked Brett Musburger one,
I don't love when coaches put the seed in their
player's mind early in the week and it's like, this
is tough. We don't have this, we don't have that.
(14:57):
You're giving them an out, you're giving them an excuse.
Years ago, I did an event with with Brett Musselberger
it must have been fifteen years ago, and I said,
looking live and I'm like, how do you You're like
in these small markets, how do you travel? How do
you do it? And he goes young man. I was like, fifty,
young man, I don't know where I'm going until Thursday.
(15:19):
He's like, I don't know the next assignment. I just
won assignment in a time. And I'm like, that's a
great way to look at travels. Sure, so stop complaining
because oh we got a flight to Seattle. You're not
flying to Pasco. It's a big city with a big airport. Well.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I tend to agree, and I think that the coaches
that don't make it a big deal, it doesn't become
a big deal for their players.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Okay, Penn State, we gotta be honest about it. Here's
the thing. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell I'm gonna
name the top six programs in the country. Okay, in
terms of revenue, what you can pay coaching staffs, O
your quality of recruiting, all right, Georgia, Ohio State, Texas Point,
(16:06):
Notre Dame's good. I would say I would throw out LSU, LSU,
probably Michigan, maybe Tennessee. I'll put Tennessee in and I
don't know Michigan's and IL, but I'll say Michigan. So
let's that's that's the top five. Probably USC well right
now with there an IL. Yes, I'm gonna bang on
(16:27):
those programs. If you're seven and Oregon Oregon because of
Phil Knight's money, Oregon absolutely is the top. Yeah, but
they've got no recruiting. Yeah, but they buy them. Who
can't reach you that those days are over? Just go
buy it. Okay, you know there's a reason they are Wisconsin.
The difference is they have uniforms and Phil Knight they're Oregon.
They don't have any players. So what's wrong with these programs. Nothing?
(16:48):
But I'm gonna hold those programs to a different standard
then I'm gonna hold Penn State and what you're giving
them an out. I'm saying with Penn State, you can't
lose to own for u c LA.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
You can't give him an out. You can't give him
an out. You can't give him an out. Like, what
do we don't give him an out?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I'm just saying I don't hold Penn State to Georgia
standards or Ohio State standard.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I mean, requiring them to beat an zero and four
team is not holding them to Georgia's standard.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Or Ohio State standards. Not a good first half.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I mean, if you're holding him to those that standard,
then you would require them to beat Oregon as the
higher ranked and favorite team at home and what is
the most elite environment in college football.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
See here's the here's the.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Problem with what went on Saturday is that they allowed
Oregon to beat them twice. And what's going on right
now at Penn State is that the match between what
they're trying to do schematically really on both sides, but
more specifically on the offensive side doesn't fit what their
players do best. They're running an offense you know for
Tim Tebow and Drew Aller is back there, and it's like, well,
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those those two things aren't the same thing. Running quarterback
read you know, power on fourth down with Drew Aller,
with the game on the line is probably not the
best decision. I mean, UCLA was all over there. They
were all over It was a great defensive call on
their part. You know, the wide receiver corps at Penn
State has wildly underperformed.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
They have over the last.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Few years, and they've even changed out the wide receivers
that have been there. They don't get off a bump coverage,
they don't run their routes hard, they don't provide clean pictures.
You know, I made the argument on my show that
what would if I what would I What would you
say if I told you that the best player in
a Penn State uniform on Saturday and that loss was
Drew Aller. He was he was the only reason that
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they were in the game. The problem was is that
their scheme doesn't fit what he does best. And then
he's got all of a sudden escape and run for
four or five first downs, which he did, but it's
not who he is, and he does that and he
keeps them in the game, and then they don't allow
him to do what he's best at. And that's what
ultimately James has got to figure that out. And James
Franklin knows that and he understands that they've got to
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get better immediately because they still have to go to
Ohio State, they still have to host Indiana, and they're
already sitting on two losses. So Saturday was one of
those inexplicable things for Penn State.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It cannot happen.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
And I don't think it's it's holding them to too
high a standard to say, like, those are games that
not only are devastating that you lose, you cannot lose
those games.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So for years, I think the NFL sort of looked
down on college football. Sure, quality isn't very good, and
now they run all of their offenses't that funny. But
I think guys like Belichick are like Saturday Football. So
there is a little bit of college football looking at
(19:42):
Belichick right now and going, oh, how's it going there, Chap.
I'll tell you this, I think college football coaches love
that Belichick is doing a belly flop. This thing is
a mess. It doesn't look good, and they what college
football coaches have always said is we're dealing with nineteen
year olds and their parents and donors and boosters and
(20:05):
the goofy NCAA college football coaching, you don't get vacation.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Well, no, And it's also more of a CEO role
than it is a head coaching role. It's less about
football than you would actually anticipate.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Now, some are great at both, you know, and I
think Kirby's great at both. I think Ryan Day is
great at both. I think Dan Landing is is greater.
Chris Peterson was great at unbelievable. But you've got to
be an executive at now more than anything. You got
to wear all the hats. So, for instance, you know,
right after the season, you've got to spend three days
meeting with every single player and every single agent and
talking about the revenue share, what line of the line
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of the revenue.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Share you're going to get.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
And I thought that because college football has become more transactional,
that it was actually a good time for Bill Belichick
to get into college football. And while I still kind
of agree with that, and maybe this will turn out
better going forward, but right now, there's just not a
cohesiveness and connection with what I see on the field
and what I'm sure i'm you know, he's being is
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being said during meetings and everything that is not connecting.
He's a very gruff guy, it's not Charlie Weiss failed,
but it's not just the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Though.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Let me just Charlie Weiss wasn't great in college, although
he had pockets of success.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Like with Will Brady, Charlie was and I know Charlie
and I like it. He was gruff.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
But there are guys that are having success, you know,
like like Chip came back and had success with with
Ohio State, but like Jeff Haffley came to Ohio State
and now he's in the NFL and done well. Think
of those defensive oriented coaches that came from Baltimore to
help out Harrorball, like Mike McDonald who's now in Seattle
and Jesse Mentor who is now the coordinator. Guys, though
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Matt Patricia comes to the NFL and what is he doing.
He's really succeeding with Ohio State number one defense in
the country. So I don't want to put like a
blanket statement of like, oh, the NFL guys they come
down here and they don't know how to work, because
some of them are doing it really really well at
North Carolina. Right now, it's just not connecting. There's no
cohesiveness right now with what you know, the message is
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and what you're seeing on the field.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So the best two teams in the country, I don't
think it's that difficult. Are Ohio State one Oregon two.
I think you have to put Miami in that conversation.
Three Okay, they looked a part no SEC teams in that.
You know, the.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
SEC this year is deeper than they have been in
the past. That you know, they had a run where
they were so elite at the top, man like, so
elite at the top. I don't think that there's the
great team in the SEC this year, but there's a
lot of really good teams. The best team might be
Texas A and m might be Ole miss You know,
I think that we're going to find out a lot
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about the SEC this weekend when BAMA goes to Missouri.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
How about this, Indiana, Go look at the spread Indiana
is going to play Oregon. Not a big spread. I
think it's what four and a half? What does that
tell you about Indiana? I think Indiana is a really
good team. Clearly. Yeah. I mean I saw Illinois play fifth.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Let me put it to you this way. Labeled a
big ten.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Guy, Indiana is the equivalent to me of a Missouri
or an ole Miss. At least Vegas is telling you
at least yeah, there's no doubt. So Vegas is telling
you if Ole Miss went to Oregon, it'd be four
points per Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's absolutely right. Indiana would be just doing exactly the same.
Indiana is just as good as Oklahoma or Ole Miss
or Texas.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
A and M.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Those guys went to Austin, what would the line be?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
And for Indiana if any of those teams went to Indiana,
that team is incredible at home, you know, and and
there is Listen, they're always going to get a little
bit of a narrative bump down there. There's no doubt,
but there's there is no questioning the fact that at
the top they're not quite as good as what they
have been, and they're deeper in the middle this year,
and who knows how that is all going to play out.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Don't don't crush Indiana for the Notre Dame name last year.
They have made a move. They're better than last year.
I think they are well, I think they are. They're
they're they're they're more explosive, and I think they have
more good play.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
This will this will tell us a lot about Indiana
because this is a very difficult place to play against
what I think is an elite college football team in Oregon,
and Dan Lanning will have those guys ready to go.
There's there's no doubt about it. But I think Indiana
is going to have a chance in that game.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It's good scene.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
It's great to see you. I know that travel is
hard for you, but good to see you.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't want to complain about it. No, I don't.
Don't put that seed in the staff's head, you know, No.
I mean these guys are spoiled, are they. We're like
an indie band with a great budget. I mean, I'm
just there're out there partying every night, having a good time.
There's no structure to any of this except they all.
You know, we have a big budget. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
That's level five leadership folks right there and just bang
on the staff.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
You guys have it easy when I show up, and
you'll work hard for them. When I show up in
the morning, I'm just praying. I see cars. Half the
time they're here, half the time they're not. I never
know what's happening. That's okay, good, It's great to see you.
But four baseball games today. Oh, it's gonna be great
for base gonna be great. Yeah, how about that Yankees win?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That was nice.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
They're not winning that series, you don't think so. They're starting,
pitching is getting crushed. I can see that Toronto is
a good team. Didn't you play minor league baseball? I
did for three seasons. Well, who was the organization?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Padres? They dodged a bullet. I barely hit over the
Mendoza line. That was a quick exit back to college.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, well, what are you gonna do? You always have
your innermural? Colorado Football yours.
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Speaker 1 (26:11):
You know, it's amazing about this job. How many of
you have gone to work, walk down the hallway and
bumped into Derek Jeter. I'm literally walking down, I'm going
to the bathroom. Walk out of the bathroom. Hey, jeez,
what's up? What's going on, Bud? I don't know. Maybe
you're in your accounting office. You know, you used to
bump into Elvis or something. But it's it's not very,
(26:31):
very infrequent. I think most Americans come out of the
bathroom at your workplace, you're walking into the studio. It's
Derek Jeter. He's all fired up. So right after our show,
four baseball games, it's probably it's the best baseball day
of the year today. If you're a baseball fan, this
will be as good as it gets. You're gonna have.
I'm gonna say, Tigers even it up. I don't know
(26:52):
about the Yankees. We'll see Tigers even it up. Milwaukee's
a better team. Milwaukee's better than the Cubs.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Running to Derek Jeter, and you don't think it's a
sign that here come the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You nothing, you put that together. I'm not okay. J
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
This is the herd Line News, all right, Uh, Thursday
night football Giants Eagles colin Uh. Saquon Barkley has, as
the kids like to say, low key dominated the New
York Giants last season one hundred and seventy six yards
in a touchdown. He went off in that game. Uh,
in both games. And here's Dexter Lawrence talking about Saquon
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being a big time problem will.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Be a pleasure. The speak teams, teams scheming for him.
It happens. But you know, you don't want to be
the team to let them get hot. So you gotta
stay stay disciplined. Thursday and you know, gow.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Well, it's a short week. It's a tough spot for
a young quarterback in a short week to a cranky
Eagles team off a loss. It's franky. It's just a
it's a bad spot for the Giants.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Yeah, you know, like the phrase smoking mirrors, I tell
you like that. That was Jackson Dart against the Chargers, right,
he got it, took over inside the ten yard line
twice and they scored ten points. He had a couple
of nice runs then reality hit when he turned it
over five times in a row. The team did against
the Saints five Eagles defense a little better than the
(28:23):
SAME's defense. You would agree this feels like a body
bag game. Thirty to ten Eagles.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I don't know if i'd go there. Philadelphia is going
to win the game. But you got to remember Philadelphia
and this isn't a little thing. The Eagles are struggling offense.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
But they had that closed door meeting. Players only meeting.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You to that means nothing. Oh really, I thought that
was huge if you if you are have a winning
record and are having closed door meeting, what's what's to
have a closed door about? Well?
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Probably, hey, AJ Brown, can you put a cork in
it and stop complaining every week? Maybe one of those
I don't I don't know, and AJ we'll get you.
The ball just simmered down.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They were throwing at all in the last four games
to AJ Brown as much as Amor on Saint Brown.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Exactly, So, stop talking to the press about this nonsense,
stop reading books on the sideline and tweeting crap.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Play football. They're given him for John Jefferson omor on
Saint Brown targets.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Yeah, so I'm assuming it was the whole team. It
was like a what do they call that when like
somebody's struggling and you bring in all the friends to like, uh, intervention,
Maybe they had an intervention. It was it was three
guys talking Jalen and the leaders. That's what leaders do.
They step up and talk to the problem child, get
(29:36):
him in line. Has done nothing this year, which I
believe is a bit of a problem. Three yards to
carry this season.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Well he's getting hit immediately.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
So Landon Dickerson out. Sounds like a new offensive coordinator
in not great. All right, let's move on to more
not great. And that's the Miami Dolphins. Just an epic
disaster of a season. How about last week I gave
out the Panthers and when the Panthers were down seventeen nothing,
I was like, oh, that was a whist. Carolina Storm's
(30:05):
back gets the win. And next thing you know, Mike
McDaniel had a meeting with Dolphins owners Steven or Ross mcdian.
Mike McDaniel talked to the media about how that meeting went.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
He was really frustrated at the.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
You know, just like he's as as I was, and
you know, we talked about the challenge ahead to get
ready for the Chargers, and that was kind of the
extent of it.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
What happened to the cool Mike mcdanney, the one who
was like my South Beach cool and was like he
was apparently struggling to speak here the last four times
I have seen him at the podium, He's not the
same guy, dishoveled rat.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
He's not. He's just doesn't feel like And by the way,
is that what the players are seeing in team meetings?
He does not have it. He has lost the vibe you.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Talked about meeting with the big ball this is upstairs.
Can you imagine if McDaniel was talking like that with
the owner of the Dolphins, fumbling his words. He sounded
like a guy who goes when you go to put
air in your tires. He's like, oh, can't speak, and
it's like, whoa, whoa dude, Mike McDaniel. I think he's
lost the plot here in Miami. It does not look
good for him. Is he the first coach fired?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well, last year we said eber Fluis was on the
hot seat, and he was, and then he got fired.
And I think Mike McDaniel was the coach in the
hot seat, and he is and the truck. Be very
careful about letting goes. We know he's a great play
designer and call it. We know he's smart. Be very
careful about firing coaches, because what happens is interims come in.
(31:43):
They'll they'll here's what Miami is going to do. If
they move off McDaniel this year, they're going to elevate
the opposite of him, somebody that's got more alpha, because
that's what he doesn't have. So this is what they do.
The pendulum swings too far, they'll bring it an alpha,
and the alpha will get the players fired up and
they'll win some games, and everybody like that guy should
be the head coach. So I don't like interim coaches.
(32:03):
Maybe for a game or two, but you know, like
when you get the interim coach or Tantonio Pierce and
everybody's playing hard for him because he's an alpha and
the players love him because he's a dog, he's an alpha,
and you give that guy the head coaching job and
you're like, yeah, that's not the guy. So my take is,
you know he's smart, you know he's a good play caller.
I would keep him because I think he's good for Tua,
(32:25):
and Tua is the centerpiece of the franchise.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Yeah, speaking of things not going well for head coach,
his final story is the Arizona Cardinals unbelievably have fined
Jonathan getting their head coach one hundred large after he
was seen making physical contact with running back and goat
in de Mercato. I don't know how to say his
first name. Who botched the game for the Cardinals? Say,
you can look at the video on screen here again,
(32:49):
and this I think was shot from some guy in
the stands. Yeah, but you let's just talk about making contact.
So it's that second swing that people are fired up about.
But here's my thing. Aaron Glenn with a boxing glove
at practice punching.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
The ball out.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Isn't that what Gannon's doing.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
With that second film is say hold on to the
damn ball boom. But you know, it's intent, it's timing,
it's intent. I don't think you should touch players, but
I also think you're better off cutting players. So would
you rather a coach get mad at you or him
cut you so they didn't cut him? You know, I
don't think this is the way to ingratiate yourself with
young athletes. But I also think it's inexcusable what the
(33:27):
player did so to me, I would I would DNP.
I'm not playing the players.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Well, they're down to their third stringer and their fourth
stringer was I think on the Jets like two years ago,
like it's bleak in Arizona. On principle, I cut him
from my fantasy team. I was like, I can't even
see your name anymore. That being said, Cal, the first
bump here, isn't that one of these cume on man
get in the game like a tap to the chest.
I don't find that to be one hundred thousand dollars more.
(33:53):
You've done that to me here on set when I
screw up a read, J Matt come on like a
little slap to the chest. I'm like, hey, yeah, I
get I think physically, I think.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
When you have a power dynamic of older man younger person,
you want to stay out of physicality. Come on, I
think you want to stay out of physical stuff. It's
not just my tes a shove. We've seen other coaches.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
I'm not going to get in and pull the video
of Belichick and Read and I'm not going to do that.
I just think this was overblown. By the way, it
may be overblown. Gannon feels like a dead man walking home.
They are, by the way, Kyler Murray, how about this
not practicing today?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I thought the strangest part of this game after the
fumble was the fact that Kyler Murray got hit in
the head with a snap and didn't get touched and
left the game.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
So they're saying he stepped wrong out what he was
like going for I didn't see anything, but it was
very weird. It's like almost he was like embarrassed a car.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That's what I thought. I thought he was embarrassed because
I'm like, they showed the replay and I'm like, I
don't understand how I got hurt. I got hurt, feelings
got hurt. I didn't see the.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
It's weird how quickly this team has gone downhill. Remember
they almost beat San fran two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, you know why because every NFL team Kansas City
a couple of weeks ago is in crisis mode. When
you go into crisis mode in any company, anybody listening
to there right now, who's ever run a company, small
or big going to crisis mode? What happens. You have
to have an identity. Arizona has no identity. New England
(35:21):
gave the game away, gave the game away to Pittsburgh.
But in three weeks they'd already created a resilience and
an identity. They come back the following week, they're great.
You have the first thing you have to do as
a coach. What are we? Who are we? So?
Speaker 6 (35:37):
What are the Cardinals?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Exactly?
Speaker 6 (35:39):
If you were giving them a branding itation that they
don't have that. Kyler their identity. No, yeah, he said
two weeks ago, I don't know if I'm gonna be
here for the new facility that opens.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
So that's why Rabel comes in, Hardball comes in by Camp.
The Chargers are a more physical team. That's why when
you hire a head coach in the NFL, it's not
about getting the hipster, the smarter, it's about somebody that
can build an identity in a brand in four to
five weeks. That's what Harbaugh does, That's what Brabel does,
(36:09):
That's what Dan camp. It's not even winning. You don't
have to win first year. You don't have to win.
Mike McDaniel's been there four years. They have no identity.
Gannon's problem is what are they? There is there so
because every team in the league will hit crisis mode.
It's the NFL Brady's teams. You go back to the dynasty,
they had two or three games where they're like they
(36:29):
had a three or four year stretch. They don't want
a playoff game. Like, what are you?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
I got an idea, Why don't you and I start
a crisis management company. I'll identify the crises and you
solved them. Because I think you just fixed the Cardinals Gannon,
listen up, maybe you beat the Colts.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I don't think that the company's gonna work that well.
Jmack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Now, by the way, the Dolphins fired McDaniel, and I
wouldn't do it. I'd let the season play out. They
would probably in the interim Anthony Weaver defensive co ordinator.
As a former player, he's kind of the opposite of him.
So you bring him in. What if Anthony wins in? Oh,
let's getting the head coach, which I'm not against. If
he is brilliant and he's a young, smart guy, I'm
not against it. But what happens is players play hard.
(37:13):
It's like the substitute teacher. Everybody loves the substitute teacher.
Substitute teacher stays for about three or four weeks. Nobody
wants the teacher back. It's okay for a weekend, it's
kay for a friday the teacher sick, but three or
four weeks nobody wants the teacher back. So you have
to be careful about the firing a coach bringing an
interim in for eight nine weeks, you can get trapped.
(37:35):
You can get trapped. Antonio Pears with the Raiders, Josh
McDaniel out early, Antonio Pears, Raw Raw, that's the guy.
Was it the best guy? It was the guy in
the moment. A lot of people in a moment are successful.
A lot of quarterbacks who aren't very good have three
week stretches when you're like, what Jake Browning, so you'd
be oh, boy, Jake Browning, and over the course of
a season, Jake Browning can't make certain plays and let's
(37:57):
go get Joe Flacco. A lot of people in spots
or good two three weeks temp employee. There are people
you know, like, hey, the chef gets sick, the prep
Cook takes over for a night too. You're like, darn good,
try to run in the restaurant Friday Saturday, seven hundred tables.
It's a whole different ballgame.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Cooper rushed with the Cowboys. Try filed in Cooper for four.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Or five weeks. That's what I've said. If if you
have a backup play for four weeks, can he win two?
I mean, Mac Jones was a starter and made a
Pro Bowl, so he's better than your average backup. But
this idea of you know, these interim coaches, they get
the energy of the team. Guys play over their skis,
Guys play, you know.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Free Ucla football. We just saw the other.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Game at the best game in ten years at UCLA.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Oh, you hire the guy, right.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
It may be that one of those guys, Jerry Neuheisel
and the other guy, maybe they are great, But the
history of interim coaches, you get a certain energy that
you can't duplicate over the long term. It's the hurt.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
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Speaker 6 (39:06):
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Speaker 2 (39:15):
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Speaker 1 (39:20):
By the way, our show at the end of this
hour will be moving to the Fox Sports app for
the final hour of our show, which by the way,
is fantastic. Four baseball games today, Tigers Mariners around a
corner a week six NFL schedule, and my sixth sense
of week six schedule in the NFL is that we
could have some upsets this weekend. Keep your eye on
(39:42):
the upsets.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
That was the last weekend, boss. No, let me guess.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Let me guess.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Joe Flacco, who already beat the Packers and was just
aimed the starter for the Bengals face the Packers. Is
he going to beat the Packers twice in one season?
They're fifteen point dogs at one shop fifteen?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Why are the Broncos only favored by a touchdown over
the Jets.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
Because it's in London and they're still celebrating and went
over the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Just interesting.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
Justin Field's running for his life literally against Nick Bonito
and company.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I'm gonna give you a game and just yell out
the team you think will win Seahawks of the Jags.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
I was gonna bet the Jags this morning. I have
not fired yet a lot of people betting Seattle. People
love the Seahawks. I don't know if this is you
driving that bus, but nationally everybody's like, oh, Seahawks. And
then you say Jags got lucky to beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I'm not driving the number. Believe me the platform. I'll
repeat from your first kay Detroit at Kansas City. I
like to hug the Lions. This one's interesting. Chicago at Washington.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
Give me Jayden Daniels. By the way, do you like
the double header on Monday night football? The actually good quarterbacks?
Finally can't stand it? Yeah, well, we get Alan Pennox,
Caleb Jaden.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Wouldn't it be better if the Bears if Caleb and
Jaden Daniels were meeting in the late window? Because Bengals
at Green Bay not that interesting. MICHAEH.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
Parsons off a bye.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I think it. I'll tell you this. San Francisco at Tampa.
That is fun.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
That's a good game. Well, we don't know who tiged out.
We don't know who's starting anywhere for the Niners.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
It doesn't matter of fact, receiver Mac Jones is as
good as rock Purty this morning because brock Perty is
not at one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
Interim coach, Interim quarterback is the same thing.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
A fly here. It doesn't Mac Jones.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
Who's he QB won for next year?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Mac Jones?
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Can the Niner slip him for like a thing?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
If I was Cincinnati, I'd go get him. You got
Joe Burrow? How many weeks last? Joe moving on? Kevin Burkhart.
The Fellas gonna crush it. You should see their room.
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