Colin talks to former NFL offensive lineman Geoff Schwartz about the Eagles trying to make things right with AJ Brown, Dan Campbell not getting enough credit after losing his coordinators, Baker Mayfield's great start to the season, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Host of the Bear Bets podcast with Chris Filica. The
guy knows his gambling big time. Jeff Schwartz eight years
in the NFL, Fox Sports Analyst, former NFL offensive lineman.
By the way, let me settle this at you, USC, Michigan.
Who do you like?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I like Michigan.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
Colin, you gotta point me in the direction of when
USC is being a team under Lincoln right, they could
push around on the trenches. The answer I think is never.
Notre Dame four years ago. Maybe by Notre Dame wasn't
what they are. I just got to see it, man,
I have to see it from USC. We know what
Michigan is right. They're going to run the football. They're
gonna have two three four yard carries and hit a
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seventy five yard touchdown. We know offensively Underwood is really
really good, but he's young. He's going to make some mistakes.
He's also going to make some explosive plays on the
flip side.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
US's offensive lines a little beat up. I think Pages
back though Page is really good. It's a big addition
back for them. But Michigan punched them in the mouth.
How do they play against a defense like that? So
USC is certainly talent enough to win this game calling,
but they haven't won this game in years, and so
I will take Michigan until proven otherwise.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I said, this is a referendum game on Lincoln Riley
because they go to Notre Dame next, they go to
Oregon in a few weeks. Are not winning those games.
This is going to be a signature game. We're going
to look at this game and if USC can't win
at home and they're healthy now up front, we're going
to look at this and go we have to come
to terms with Lincoln Riley. He's not the culture builder.
He's a recruiter. He's a coach. I think of they
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lose this game, it's like James Franklin, you just come
to the realization he's not good situationally in big games.
I think if Lincoln loses with Notre Dame and Oregon
coming up, you have to kind of acknowledge what Lincoln is.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I don't think you're wrong.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I know USC fans will point to a rebuild into
year four, which is what it is. But we know
they're rebuilding that defense sort of on the fly here.
But you have everything sort of in your way, right,
you're off a buy, okay, so you have time repair.
You mentioned they're healthier along the front, and then they
work against Illinois. But also USC has played better at
home than on the road, right, the road, that's been
the issue for them. So if you can't win this
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game with Michigan, we've seen a lot of teams that
come out West make these big you know, these big trips,
have struggled a little bit. And again you are facing
a true freshman quarterback. Now, the coliseum is not Oklahoma, right,
You're gonna have a ton of Michigan fans there, but
still a big atmosphere, one hundred thousand fans.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
It's a giant stadium. It's the history of USC.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
So there is that on your side, and you think
you have to because you mentioned you don't win this game.
You're probably not being Notre Dame. You're not being Oregon.
Now you're looking at eight wins again. Uh, maybe get
upset somewhere else. We're gonna seven and that's not where
us he wants to be.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, one more college question. Oregon replaced all eleven offensive starters.
Dan Lanning is a defensive guy and they're great. You
know when people talk about this, like what's it's pretty
fascinating to look at Oregon that, whether people want to
admit it or not, Ohio State and Oregon are the
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two best teams in the country I've seen and I'm
I'm I'm neutral Field. I think that, like Oregon last
year was good, but they weren't as physical, you know
they when they played you know, neutral Field Ohio State,
you could see the gap. I don't think there's a
huge gap. I think they're as good as anybody. What
is Dan Lanning's secret sauce? Southern guy comes to Oregon
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even better than Crystal Ball, who's crushing it in Miami.
Why has Lanning worked as a southern guy so well?
Out south or out west?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Well, I think you mentioned that the all news starters right,
and what they do really well, and I know people say, well,
they just buy the players. Well, other teams buy players too, right,
But Oregon buys the right players calling right.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Look look at their hit right in the portal. They
hit home runs.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
They don't have a lot of guys who sit on
the bench who are portal guys, and they have run
this year essentially the running back. We just didn't know
that the true freshmen are that good, quite honestly. And
so he finds the right players that fit what they
want to do, and then he buys them. You know,
he gets into buying to the culture and you know,
look it is it's toughness, right, it's accountability. You mentioned offensively.
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Will Stein is an a credib offense coordinator. I hope
he says there as long as he can. But you know,
he lets will Stein do his thing on offense and
he does the defense with Tosh and they make it
work together. But I think for him and really the staff,
it's a talent acquisition. They find the right guys for
what they want to be. He was at Georgia for
those years. Their defensive line is not what Jalen Carter
and Jordan Davis, but it's three thirty it's three thirty five,
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it's three fifty. Like he gets the right guys to
what he wants to do, and then there's just a confidence.
I think one thing too, that he lets his guys
be themselves, right, he lets the personality shine. He lets
him play, you know, he play how they want free.
And then he also buys in you see this in
the videos, right, they buy into whatever. The stadium is
a white out, Let's buy into the white out. Let's
buy into the traditional you know of that Wisconsin is doing.
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So I think that all those things matter for lending
in the success at organ.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So let's go to the NFL. Eagles have great personnel.
Lions have great personnel in their offensive lines. Both change coordinators.
Detroit's may be better. Philadelphia is a mess. I think
Philadelphia didn't have a personnel issue. I think they have
a coordinator issue. And we've seen this before with the Eagles.
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They're very coordinator dependent. If they are, because Siriani is
more the CEO in the alpha, He's not Shanahan scheme wise,
So how can a coordinator come in? And this appears
to be the case in Philadelphia and the O line regresses,
like how explain that to me.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Well, the OL line is is a little more beat
up than they have in previous years. Right, they obviously
have a new right guard. Lane's been beat up at
right tackle. I mean regression does happen at that position
over time, right, I mean that's again the injuries do
play a big role in this.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
But look, it generally.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Takes half a season for new offensive coordinator to feel
comfortable with figuring out what a team is good and
not good at. You know, you come in that position,
you're hired from within. You want to sort of run
the same things, and you realize maybe the same things
don't work anymore.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
How do we adjust and make it happen?
Speaker 6 (06:40):
And teams are taking away the run, they're force and
hurts to be the guy keeping in the pocket where
he's not always the best passer from just the pocket.
He has that internal clock that he sort of holds
the ball, spunts a little bit too long, and they're
making them be uncomfortable offensively.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
But it's still through week five, and you mentioned last year,
right through week four everyone wanted to fire.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Serunny, they're two and two and they lost one more
game for on the next twenty one or whatever it was.
So I think they'll figure it out, but it does
take time. We're just used to happening faster in Philly
and the offense line has been so dominant.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Just isn't that case right now? You mentioned the Lions calling.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
I think I think Dan Campbell's not getting enough credit here,
Like Dan Campble's offensive coach, who I think has far
more staying the offense than we give him credit for.
Because you look at what they're doing now, it looks
very similar to what they did with Ben Johnson, and
so the correlation between that is Dan Campbell, who's still
there and a big part of the offense. I'm not
sure gets enough credit for how good this offense is,
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you know with the coordinator change.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, are you? Are you surprised how good Baker Mayfield is.
I mean, he's an MVP candidate when you watch him
because he's not a perfect size, he's not quite as
athletic because I think he thinks he is. Sometimes he
runs on like slowdown Bro, and he right now would
be the MVP of the league. Doesn't have Evans, doesn't
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have Bucky Irving, and he is tearing up and he
is great late game quarterback. Are you surprised.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
He's the most fun to bet on because every game,
you know, he's scrapping, claws everything he might not cover,
like they didn't cover in Sphilly but last week, right,
just like scrap and fight and claw and try get
every yard possible. He's always had the arm, right. I mean,
he was drafted very high for a reason. It was
a matter of maturity, which he's admitted he's maturity in Tampa.
But it also looks they have a lot of good
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personnel around him. The offensive line is a little healthier now, right,
but when they're whole, they're one of the best in
the NFL. You mentioned Evans is not there, but then
Buka comes in and he's immediately good.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
And you have Ted Johnson who's playing well.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
So they add the personnel around him, and I think
they found a rhythm of what the offense can be
around Baker. It's the importance of just understanding what your
quarterback can and can't do. And they had a lot
of quarterator changes too, and it made it work right.
So it comes down to me, I think Baker just
telling and understanding, like this is what I'm good at.
Let's do it then, dude, he just fights, man like.
He's so much fun to watch because they're never out
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of a game. I mean one hundred percent, he's laying
on the line and he's the quarterback thing. A lot
of us want to guide our teams, right, just a
guy that that we want to move for and we
see the battle from him each and every week.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
So this year is crazy. Fifteen quarterbacks have a passer
rating over one hundred. Last year. It was eleven the
year before six. And I there's a lot of reasons why.
I think there's a lot of good offensive coaches now.
There wasn't twenty years ago or ten years ago. The
McVeigh tree. There's just all these smart guys. I do
think some of it is this, And tell me if
I'm wrong, Jeff, because I could be that outside of
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Golf and Stafford, almost all quarterbacks move. You can't play
man and man. You have to play his own. You
can't turn your back on quarterbacks. And so I mean,
these kids have personal coaching ten thousand snaps for the
time they're fourteen. It's throwing the spots and with better
coaching and kids with more reps when they enter the league.
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They're good at throwing the spots. I mean Pooka Nakua
does not separate, he's always open. It's throwing to spot.
And I think you know people just complete now sixty
eight percent. It used to be Breeze did that. Darnald
could do that is why do you think there's this
explosion of passer ratings half the leagues at one hundred.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Well you mentioned the important here, right, Like defenses are
playing a lot more zone now because you know, the
idea is just keep everything in front of you, right,
you know it's supposed to. Plays are kind of the
death for any team. Right if you give up a
lot of them, you're going to get beat quite often.
So we're going to play too high and we're going
to make everything keep in front of us. And these
quarterbacks are realizing, I think rightfully. So if these receivers
dud are incredible, these wide receivers, now, I mean, you
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come in the NFL and you're good almost immediately at
this position for a lot of these guys and just
get the ball in their hands and let them run.
And quarterbacks are understanding, like let's just take what's there
and get you know, five yard throw you know, six
seven yard run, like, we're fine with that, and then
eventually it opens up a little bit and you take
some shots. I think quarterbacks are just far more okay
now with we're not taking home runs. We're just gonna
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take in front of us. Coordinators are doing a great
job of scheming up just individual plays that are easy
on quarterbacks at times and make it easier to find
easy completions. And then again the zone covering all that
plays a role. And I've said this from the beginning.
I think that's why the preseason we saw a ton
of scoring. The preseason is quarterback play is better than ever.
We have better quarterbacks backup quarterbacks now that are better
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than ever before. So I think all of it is
just in totality, the quarterback play is better than ever
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Speaker 1 (11:58):
So finally I said this, If I had to vote
Coach of the Year, Baker's my MVP because he's doing
that without Evans and Bucky Irving. Dak would be second.
My coach of the Year is Kyle Shanahan mac Jones,
who I think has more natural talent than Daniel Jones
in terms of throwing the football, not the athlete. The
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fact that they're leading the division and fifty percent of
their best players are not available. People that we've given
up on are now starring. I mean, did you ever
plan a team that you went into a game missing
six starters and you actually played inspired football in one?
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I think what he is doing in San Francisco. They
may not win a division, but you could have a
great year coaching and not end up winning playoff games
because of what you do with what you have. How
do you explain the Niners' success with backups everywhere?
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Well, it obviously is a belief in the system and
what they do right that you can plug and play
guys and you look, can you do in a whole season?
Probably not, but you can have a mac Jones come
in and he knows the offense, he knows who to
throw the ball to. Talked about that important, just getting
the ball in the playmaker's hands. And then defensively they
still have enough guys. Now Bosa's out, obviously that's a
big loss, but you know Warner is there, and you
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know the very end of that game, they forced a fumble,
they stopped the Rams on fourth down like they're winning.
These moments that are important when you, you know you,
when you want to have a four to one record,
and so I get them. Tell you, I look, that
game was they were underdog by over touchdown and and
throughout the entire game they were with the Rams. Obviously
went the very end. I think the Rams are better,
but clearly in that night and maybe moving forward they're not.
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And I played a one team that was really beat
up like this call, and we sucked. I mean we
were terrible. After we everyone got hurt. Me look at
the Ravens, right, the Rams have lost more guys, I
get it, but they're nowhere competitive each and every week,
and I just went to a division rival who's had
their number recently and thoroughly beat them. They were up
the entire game and ended up with a three point win.
So I give them a lot of credit. When Perdy
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comes back at some of the wide receivers come back,
they should be able to do. We talked about Niners
big this year. Look, their schedule was pretty easy. This
is a team you should win twelve or thirteen games,
and they're staying on track with a bunch of backups.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Right now, you played for the Chiefs, your brother started
for years at the Chiefs. I'm not worried at all.
I think next week when they get Rashie Rice. I
think the offense the last two weeks has been the
best that it's been in three or four years. I
think they're going to make the playoffs. I'm not worried
or you.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Oh, they'll make the playoffs. The pass rush is a problem.
It's been a problem for a while now. It was
the most underlooked part of the Super Bowl loss. They
didn't touch Jalen Hurst the entire game. They can't get
home with four calling. We know their pressure packages are
great and they can get, you know, but if you
blocked the pressure package up.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
We saw Herbert beat him in week one doing that.
I think you know week one doing that.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
They lost in Week two on a pressure play as well.
Like you have to be able to get home with four.
So I am curious that the Chiefs decide to go
get someone a pass rusher on a losing team and
bring them in for the rest in the season at
some point this year just to say, hey, like that's
that's our missing piece. They're fine defensively, they're going to
stop the run really well, they're good in the back end. Offensively,
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they're going to be fine. We just talked about just
get get guys healthy. And one addition too, that's been
really impactful, Like Joshuiman is that draft pick is a
home run. So far, he's been great a left tackle
the other night, Mahomes really the last six quarters, Mahomes
has never looked more comfortable in the years in the
pocket there he's finding his open guys. And so my
question is pass rushers. Are they going to you know,
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bring in an addition a pass rusher. There's a couple
of guys on losing teams right now. You could look
toward and say, hey, maybe week eight, week nine, we
want to be aggressive and bring that guy to our team.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Jeff Schwartz, he's taken Michigan over USC. You're the second
person Joel Klatt likes Michigan against USC until you show
me you're tough. I don't think you're tough. That's right,
very easy. Good see. Anybody take care boy that. I'm
gonna tell you something. If you lose to Michigan at home.
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We don't even know if Michigan got the right coach.
They have a freshman, a true freshman quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So you saw us. He's favored in this right. It
was one and a half, now two and a half.
I Are these guys just being haters?
Speaker 8 (16:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I think they get laying back at wide receiver, they
get page back at left tackle. I think USC. I'm
gonna go twenty seven to twenty four USC.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Oh, that's the total for this one's fifty seven, so
you'd be under the light, slightly under.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I think USC wins covers and it's the under.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I'll break it down for you after hours today and
come back with a pick tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Jmack with the news, No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
You know, we haven't done any NBA lately.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
South May's newest resident, Luca Dunchic looking very skinny. He
lost a lot of weight and Lebron has finally addressed
the weight loss.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
So dramatic weight loss of Luca done it.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
It just looks, you know, obviously a little bit quicker,
you know, a little bit more function. But I think
more importantly, I think what a lot of people will
not see is the recovery now. I think for him personally,
I think what's going to change for him. He's going
to see how he wakes up the next day after
three or four nights. I'm super duper proud of him.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, I think he's going to have the ball in
his hands more so, and and and Lebron's going to
have Tennessee in his hands.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, he dunked the ball more Remember you had that
stat last year Luca had one dunk. He had twenty
five as a rookie won last year. So he doesn't
he doesn't beat people off the dribble. It's a lot
more fallaways and a lot more body contact. Besides the gerse,
he did have the calf issue, and you know, that
that could become a name.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Athlete.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Jason Tatum and tyres aaliborro at calf injuries lead to
you know what.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I don't say that word A word I would just
say is he wasn't as explosive, and so that will
get him more easy baskets, more open looks, more dunks.
He'll play downhill more and he'll take the ball. In
his first two years, when he was in better shape,
it was hard to get the ball, wrestle the ball
out of his hands. So Lebron's going to have to
come to terms with playing off the ball a lot more.
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Because when Lucas in his shape his first two years,
he didn't give it up. I mean they moved Jaylen
Bronson out of town and Jalen was great. He wants
the ball in his hands and he'll lead the league
in scoring this year.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Not going to be popular, but I think the idea
that Reddick could stagger their minutes. Obviously they're both going
to start and they'll finish, but when Luca's off, I
think you need Lebron on because then they'll have the
ball in his hands and kind of pacify Lebron a
little bit, right because.
Speaker 9 (18:33):
He's still that guy. He was an All NBA player
last year. I'm excited for the Lakers season.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Next up, let's go to Oh yeah, obviously, Lincoln Riley
big matchup this weekend against Michigan and US. He sold
out three games last year for the first time since
twenty twelve. Penn State Nebraska Notre Dame this weekend also
is sellout, except that Michigan head coach Sharon Moore, he's
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got a reason why.
Speaker 10 (19:01):
Sold out because Michigan's coming. So we're not We're excited
about the opportunity for guys to get to go back
home and see family and family, you know, be clos
certain friends, but not make it too much of a
deal there.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I don't really care what he says.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
We're looking forward to playing.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Are you gonna go to the game?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I'll be watching the game.
Speaker 9 (19:22):
I have an undisclosed location.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I have a I have a busy Saturday, but I'll
be glued to this one.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I'm gonna give up too much of the plan just so,
Suaron Moore, I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't love that trash talk. You do know the
USC players are going to see this video. Lincoln Riley
play this in the locker room. Oh really, that's a
Michigan I do know some Michigan fans, some guys I
hoop with, are very excited for this game.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
I hope.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
We know Chargers games.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
They struggle well, Washington Chargers at SOFI was probably fifty
five forty five Charge.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Here's the thing, you can load the box against Michigan
because I don't. I don't fear their what USC is
weak at corner, Michigan's not strong at They won't expose that. Now.
Michigan may win through physicality. But the truth is it
really like USC will move the ball and in USC
will get that ball. Outside. USC skilled players and when
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their all lines healthy it is now it wasn't at Illinois.
They'll have their elite left tackle. They'll have their tackles
back playing that position. So they was kind of a
makeshift though lane. They were moving guys around. So I
think it's twenty seven to twenty four USC, very very
good game, and I think a lot of it will
be played between the thirties. I think USC will play
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fairly inspired. Michigan will win time of possession, but USC
will have a few more dynamic plays over the top
I know a.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Lot of Michigan fans are gonna want to leave cold
ann Arbor to come to Sunny La in October.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
Do you think Jordan Mayava is.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Going to have to do a little maybe silent snap
count at the line of Scrimmans is it's gonna be
that many Michigan stas.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You realize when it comes to the Chargers, USC UCLA
and the Rams. A lot of people in America, most
people in America live in lousy weather during the football
season starting in about October, and so they like to
come to Los Angeles. Yeah, go to Disneyland hang out.
So the reality in Los Angeles is not very many
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people are going. You know, I'm gonna pick one road
trip this year. I'm gonna go to Denver, and Denver's nice,
But that wouldn't be the road trip you'd pick. You
would pick like Las Vegas to go watch the Raiders,
or you'd pick Los Angeles. It used to be San Diego.
I knew a lot of people that were NFL fans.
If Baltimore played San Diego and you lived in Baltimore,
it's like, dude, November fifth, let's go take our kids.
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San Diego Zoo the beach that was the place. Now
it's Los Angeles. So it's just the reality of you know,
it's one game a week. It's a great vacation spot
for the record of Miami Dolphins for years, a lot
of people. Miami's got a lot of Dolphin games, have
a lot of visitors because it's Miami in the winter.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Certainly, final story, Colin, is we touched on that Eagles
player only meeting. Well, it seems like Brian Dabole call
wind of it because listen, take a listen to this sound.
I don't know if this is gamesmanship or what, but
very interesting jabs here by Brian Dable.
Speaker 11 (22:16):
Watch the tape. AJ's opened a lot. So but you
get a Saquon and he's got productive yards, you run
his own read or throw it to Smitty. There's another thing.
There's there's a lot of weapons, I would say on
that offense, and whatever they choose to do is what
they do.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
And a J.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Brown is open a lot, little smirk day what he's doing,
and he wants AJ Brown to read that and get
a little testy. That's what he wants. He's playing gamesmanship.
You're gonna go with the prisons like Phil Jackson, the
former Laker coach. He would complain about the officials, Well,
you know, if they if they're gonna allow that kind
of holding, we're gonna have to, uh, you know, engineer
a kind of a different offen. I mean, if they're
gonna allow that with Rashid Wallace and him pushing off
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to get open on the baseline, I mean, you know,
it's it's the officials had made a decision. So I'm
gonna have to coach, you know. He would say, just
enough to have the Commissioner's office call him, maybe, but
maybe not get a fine. Phil was great at just
just planting seeds. And I think that is a That's
that's Brian Dable saying, well, he's wide open, He's open
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all the time.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Difference is Phil Jackson was in the finals, Brian Dables
fighting for his job.
Speaker 11 (23:24):
Well.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
By the way, Jalen Carter just broking here, breaking news here.
He popped up on the injury report with a heel
injury questionable for tomorrow night. Jalen Carter, Hey, when they're out,
when he's out of the middle, Cam Scattaboo could go
wild tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Wild, maybe wild, Okay, possible. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. I
do like news.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I do like him. He's there's something there. Jackson Dart Scataboo,
he's fun.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
Scattaboo reminds me of myself. Just tough, physical, not backing
down from anybody.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Nobody else says that. All right, we wrap it up next,
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Speaker 1 (24:23):
Welcome back. What I didn't ask you? What did you
make of the Athletic article calling Arch Manning a flop
and a bust? It felt a little harsh.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I mean, it's largely accurate, but he's not the first
bust ever, like you said, there's been plenty of other guys.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
The problem is his last name is Manning, right, the
best line.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Somebody came on my podcast and said Arch Manning has
a five star last name, but he's a three star recruit,
like he was a good player elevated because of his
last name. Then he gets on the big stage and
MIGI didn't look good against Ohio State, Sam Houston State,
whoever they played last Florida.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
He bagged him like it just I didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Doesn't look great at the optics on it. He holds
the ball, his mechanics are him.
Speaker 9 (25:06):
Miss percentage, like he's missing layups. Can you turn around?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Of course, many guys Joe Burrow, as many people have said,
his first year right in college, when he was a starter,
it was LSU was like.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
But go look at arch Manning's class in high school.
The top four quarterbacks, one of them is crushing Dante
more three have underwhelmed. And that's really when I read
the article, I'm like, it is hard to figure out
what eighteen year old is going to crush it in college.
I mean your first year in college, I was on
academic probation. I stopped. I forgot how to study. Like
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it's hard. You you're he's a Manning, he's got some money,
he's gonna look.
Speaker 9 (25:44):
Weren't playing football, can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah? So I think college is the first time a
lot of kids are on their own. You got a
little spending money now in IL I think it's harder.
I think there's more bus with quarterbacks, not in the NFL,
but in college.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I think you were a star in high school, you
go to college expect be a star, and they're like, yeah,
you're third on the depth chart.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
You're like, why am I saying here?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
There is something to be said about having it like
Arch doesn't quite feel like I mean, he's big enough,
he's got he's got arm strength, he moves well, you know,
some of it is just sometimes it's just there is
a thing about quarterback play that it's hard to quantify.
It's like some guys just like when I first watched Mahomes,
I'm like, he's they say this about Wayne Gretzky, he
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sees the play before it's fully developed. Gretzky passed the
puck before the play was fully developed. Mahomes has that
Aaron Rodgers in his prime was that Aaron could see
something just just a half beat before it was open.
Here's Joel Klatt earlier on the on the athletics story
about Arch being the biggest bust.
Speaker 12 (26:45):
Ever, Arch is not played well at all, and Texas
has not played well. And that's the other part is
that they're not doing really anything. Well, the offensive line,
which was rebuilt this year after a veteran group a
year ago, they have not protected him at all. When
they do protect him, he doesn't throw the ball well,
they can't run it very well. If you look at
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what they've done against FBS competition, it's like nothing.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Nothing.
Speaker 12 (27:09):
So there's no evidence that would lead you to believe
that this is going to turn around all of a sudden.
It's not like they've had some performance against a good
team that would lead you to believe that all of
a sudden it's going to get better.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, no, I think that's fair. The other story is
it's you know, it's so different. Baseball in New York
is so different. Okay, first of all, you have a
lot of revenue, a lot of money, and so the
fans read that and hear about it, and the expectations
are high. You know, Milwaukee struggles. Everybody knows middle of
the pack or at best salaries, so you come into
every season with massive expectations. The Yankees are interesting. Garrett
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Cole gets hurt before the season. You're not winning the
World Series. I mean, to me, expectations for the Yankees
have been unrealistic. I mean Bullpe is a good player,
but he commits a lot of errors. Aaron Judged a
good player until last night. He had good moments. He'd
be great player, obviously, John Carlos Anton's hurt a lot.
They're not a great base running team. They're not a
great defensive team. They're an uneven roster. They have more
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good players than a Boston They're not close to the Dodgers.
I don't think they're as complete as the Brewers. And
so a lot of it's just expectations. I mean, Aaron Judge,
I said it before. They're an action movie. He's the
lead and he has to be on camera or the
movie's not as good. You know, it's a rock movie.
It's an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. They got to be on camera.
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It's not a great cast, it's not a great plot.
It's not a great script. The Dodgers are a great script,
a great plot, an ensemble cast. That's not what the
Yankees are. And so I think once Garrett Cole got hurt,
go back to the last year's World Series, the two
games they looked like they could compete with the Dodgers.
(28:48):
He started go to the other games. Dude, it looked
like the Dodgers and an American LEA Central team with
a eighteenth biggest payroll. They they weren't good defensively. They
didn't run the base as well. They don't play small ball.
This team strikes out all the time.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
They were the second best team in Major League Baseball
last year, like they weren't the Dodgers this year. I
don't think they're the second best, but I would not
be shocked if they got back to the World Series,
would you? Yes, Wow, you're that high on the Blue Jays. Huh, Well,
the Blue Jays are a bad matchup. The Blue Jays
led baseball in hits and the Yankees starting pitching without
Cole Is okay, I mean last night ro Don's their
(29:24):
guy got raped. It's not even I mean he was
out in two and the third inning.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
Night.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Is mister Schlittler, the man you missed, the legend you
didn't know who he was seven days ago?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Him?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Actually correct, he's Pedro Martinez in his prime right now here.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Here's Derek Jeter on Aaron Judge's home run last night.
Speaker 13 (29:48):
He has had a tremendous postseason this year. Now he
hadn't hit the big home run until this time. But
he was taking what they were giving him, and he
was getting his hits.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
He was getting on base.
Speaker 13 (29:58):
You could tell by his body laying which the confidence
is there. I don't know how he hit the pitch.
It was one hundred at his neck inside, but you
know there's there's yeah, man, there's there's one person on
the planet that can do it, and the's Aaron Judge.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, it's it's just different with him. I think Judge
is great and everybody knows it. But I think Yankee
fans and the Steinbrenners don't look at it like the
Dodgers are going They're just gonna spend more. That's not
what the Yankees are now. So they have holes on
their team. And I think New York teams, I mean
both NFL teams are bad. The Knicks have been bad
mostly for thirty years. The Mets always underachieve. So people
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just think the Yankees are like the like Pops Yankees,
and that's not what they are. I never got the
John Carlos Stanton movie was Hurt in Miami, and they
already had Aaron Judge. It was doubling down on what
you had. What they're not over the last several years.
They're not well rounded. Milwaukee with half the payroll, I mean,
I've been less than half, is incredibly well rounded. Seattle's
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got the fifteenth payroll, elite, closer, consistent staff power, hitting,
hit for singles. I think the Yankees are just an
uneas Again, they're an action movie. The stars got to
be on screen because the plot is what it is.
Speaker 9 (31:09):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Historically, pitchers have been able to put a team on
their back and carry them.
Speaker 9 (31:15):
Do you think Judge can do that?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
He's hitting off the charts in the season, so there's
no chance Judge could continue to do this.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Toronto leads baseball and hits like the Yankees. Well, the
Yankees got enough guys on base to beat Toronto. It's like,
there's only been two great scripts in the history of
action movies, Predator and die Hard.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
What about this it impossible?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Well, those are those are all time epic classics. That's
the power of Tom Crue. There's only been two action
movies in my life. I watched and I thought, what
a great script? Die Hard and Predator. Everything else. You're
kind of buying into the lead. You know, you're you're
kind of buying into you know, it's not the screen.
You're not watching for the script. Something's there's funny lines.
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You're rooting for the good guy to beat the bad guys.
I still remember Diehard.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
My parents, me and my brother convinced my parents to
take us to see that, you know, and we were
young guys, and as soon as the f bombs started,
we were.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
Like, this is the greatest movie ever.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Bruce Willis, I mean that made his career, Like Bruce
Willis in die Hard.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Was it's a great off the charts. Yeah, so there's yeah,
it's that. That's the Yankees. You got to have certain
people at the plate for them to be great. O
Tawny can go all for four with three strikeouts. Freddie
Freeman last year carried them in a series. Mookie Betts
struggled in September on fire. Edmund Tommy the kid that
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was Tommy Edmund wn't he like the NLDS MVP or something.
Last year an LCS MVP. Give me a break. He
wasn't even gonna start until it was an injury. Just
keep the ringer on tonight for when the Yanks are hot.
Then they are up five to one in the eighth inning,
I will let you know about it. What happens if
Old Cam goes out there and gives you about four
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and a third.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
He's a young guy. You know what happens. We're onto
twenty twenty six, that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, just lower the expectations as a Yankee fan, Toronto
better Milwaukee's.
Speaker 9 (33:16):
This is what the great teams do. It's World Series
or bust.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's all right, They're not a great team. Maybe the
great franchises think that way, but I think expectations are
just off. All right, We're done for today. My day
is just I got a dentist appointment. Oh yeah, gotta
look sharp on this show. You gotta bring it every day,
glossy
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By the way, let me settle this at you, USC, Michigan.
Who do you like?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I like Michigan.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
Colin, you gotta point me in the direction of when
USC is being a team under Lincoln right, they could
push around on the trenches. The answer I think is never.
Notre Dame four years ago. Maybe by Notre Dame wasn't
what they are. I just got to see it, man,
I have to see it from USC. We know what
Michigan is right. They're going to run the football. They're
gonna have two three four yard carries and hit a
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seventy five yard touchdown. We know offensively Underwood is really
really good, but he's young. He's going to make some mistakes.
He's also going to make some explosive plays on the
flip side.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
US's offensive lines a little beat up. I think Pages
back though Page is really good. It's a big addition
back for them. But Michigan punched them in the mouth.
How do they play against a defense like that? So
USC is certainly talent enough to win this game calling,
but they haven't won this game in years, and so
I will take Michigan until proven otherwise.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I said, this is a referendum game on Lincoln Riley
because they go to Notre Dame next, they go to
Oregon in a few weeks. Are not winning those games.
This is going to be a signature game. We're going
to look at this game and if USC can't win
at home and they're healthy now up front, we're going
to look at this and go we have to come
to terms with Lincoln Riley. He's not the culture builder.
He's a recruiter. He's a coach. I think of they
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lose this game, it's like James Franklin, you just come
to the realization he's not good situationally in big games.
I think if Lincoln loses with Notre Dame and Oregon
coming up, you have to kind of acknowledge what Lincoln is.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I don't think you're wrong.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I know USC fans will point to a rebuild into
year four, which is what it is. But we know
they're rebuilding that defense sort of on the fly here.
But you have everything sort of in your way, right,
you're off a buy, okay, so you have time repair.
You mentioned they're healthier along the front, and then they
work against Illinois. But also USC has played better at
home than on the road, right, the road, that's been
the issue for them. So if you can't win this
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game with Michigan, we've seen a lot of teams that
come out West make these big you know, these big trips,
have struggled a little bit. And again you are facing
a true freshman quarterback. Now, the coliseum is not Oklahoma, right,
You're gonna have a ton of Michigan fans there, but
still a big atmosphere, one hundred thousand fans.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
It's a giant stadium. It's the history of USC.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
So there is that on your side, and you think
you have to because you mentioned you don't win this game.
You're probably not being Notre Dame. You're not being Oregon.
Now you're looking at eight wins again. Uh, maybe get
upset somewhere else. We're gonna seven and that's not where
us he wants to be.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, one more college question. Oregon replaced all eleven offensive starters.
Dan Lanning is a defensive guy and they're great. You
know when people talk about this, like what's it's pretty
fascinating to look at Oregon that, whether people want to
admit it or not, Ohio State and Oregon are the
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two best teams in the country I've seen and I'm
I'm I'm neutral Field. I think that, like Oregon last
year was good, but they weren't as physical, you know
they when they played you know, neutral Field Ohio State,
you could see the gap. I don't think there's a
huge gap. I think they're as good as anybody. What
is Dan Lanning's secret sauce? Southern guy comes to Oregon
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even better than Crystal Ball, who's crushing it in Miami.
Why has Lanning worked as a southern guy so well?
Out south or out west?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Well, I think you mentioned that the all news starters right,
and what they do really well, and I know people say, well,
they just buy the players. Well, other teams buy players too, right,
But Oregon buys the right players calling right.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Look look at their hit right in the portal. They
hit home runs.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
They don't have a lot of guys who sit on
the bench who are portal guys, and they have run
this year essentially the running back. We just didn't know
that the true freshmen are that good, quite honestly. And
so he finds the right players that fit what they
want to do, and then he buys them. You know,
he gets into buying to the culture and you know,
look it is it's toughness, right, it's accountability. You mentioned offensively.
(04:34):
Will Stein is an a credib offense coordinator. I hope
he says there as long as he can. But you know,
he lets will Stein do his thing on offense and
he does the defense with Tosh and they make it
work together. But I think for him and really the staff,
it's a talent acquisition. They find the right guys for
what they want to be. He was at Georgia for
those years. Their defensive line is not what Jalen Carter
and Jordan Davis, but it's three thirty it's three thirty five,
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it's three fifty. Like he gets the right guys to
what he wants to do, and then there's just a confidence.
I think one thing too, that he lets his guys
be themselves, right, he lets the personality shine. He lets
him play, you know, he play how they want free.
And then he also buys in you see this in
the videos, right, they buy into whatever. The stadium is
a white out, Let's buy into the white out. Let's
buy into the traditional you know of that Wisconsin is doing.
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So I think that all those things matter for lending
in the success at organ.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So let's go to the NFL. Eagles have great personnel.
Lions have great personnel in their offensive lines. Both change coordinators.
Detroit's may be better. Philadelphia is a mess. I think
Philadelphia didn't have a personnel issue. I think they have
a coordinator issue. And we've seen this before with the Eagles.
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They're very coordinator dependent. If they are, because Siriani is
more the CEO in the alpha, He's not Shanahan scheme wise,
So how can a coordinator come in? And this appears
to be the case in Philadelphia and the O line regresses,
like how explain that to me.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Well, the OL line is is a little more beat
up than they have in previous years. Right, they obviously
have a new right guard. Lane's been beat up at
right tackle. I mean regression does happen at that position
over time, right, I mean that's again the injuries do
play a big role in this.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
But look, it generally.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Takes half a season for new offensive coordinator to feel
comfortable with figuring out what a team is good and
not good at. You know, you come in that position,
you're hired from within. You want to sort of run
the same things, and you realize maybe the same things
don't work anymore.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
How do we adjust and make it happen?
Speaker 6 (06:40):
And teams are taking away the run, they're force and
hurts to be the guy keeping in the pocket where
he's not always the best passer from just the pocket.
He has that internal clock that he sort of holds
the ball, spunts a little bit too long, and they're
making them be uncomfortable offensively.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
But it's still through week five, and you mentioned last year,
right through week four everyone wanted to fire.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Serunny, they're two and two and they lost one more
game for on the next twenty one or whatever it was.
So I think they'll figure it out, but it does
take time. We're just used to happening faster in Philly
and the offense line has been so dominant.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Just isn't that case right now? You mentioned the Lions calling.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
I think I think Dan Campbell's not getting enough credit here,
Like Dan Campble's offensive coach, who I think has far
more staying the offense than we give him credit for.
Because you look at what they're doing now, it looks
very similar to what they did with Ben Johnson, and
so the correlation between that is Dan Campbell, who's still
there and a big part of the offense. I'm not
sure gets enough credit for how good this offense is,
(07:33):
you know with the coordinator change.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, are you? Are you surprised how good Baker Mayfield is.
I mean, he's an MVP candidate when you watch him
because he's not a perfect size, he's not quite as
athletic because I think he thinks he is. Sometimes he
runs on like slowdown Bro, and he right now would
be the MVP of the league. Doesn't have Evans, doesn't
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have Bucky Irving, and he is tearing up and he
is great late game quarterback. Are you surprised.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
He's the most fun to bet on because every game,
you know, he's scrapping, claws everything he might not cover,
like they didn't cover in Sphilly but last week, right,
just like scrap and fight and claw and try get
every yard possible. He's always had the arm, right. I mean,
he was drafted very high for a reason. It was
a matter of maturity, which he's admitted he's maturity in Tampa.
But it also looks they have a lot of good
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personnel around him. The offensive line is a little healthier now, right,
but when they're whole, they're one of the best in
the NFL. You mentioned Evans is not there, but then
Buka comes in and he's immediately good.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
And you have Ted Johnson who's playing well.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
So they add the personnel around him, and I think
they found a rhythm of what the offense can be
around Baker. It's the importance of just understanding what your
quarterback can and can't do. And they had a lot
of quarterator changes too, and it made it work right.
So it comes down to me, I think Baker just
telling and understanding, like this is what I'm good at.
Let's do it then, dude, he just fights, man like.
He's so much fun to watch because they're never out
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of a game. I mean one hundred percent, he's laying
on the line and he's the quarterback thing. A lot
of us want to guide our teams, right, just a
guy that that we want to move for and we
see the battle from him each and every week.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
So this year is crazy. Fifteen quarterbacks have a passer
rating over one hundred. Last year. It was eleven the
year before six. And I there's a lot of reasons why.
I think there's a lot of good offensive coaches now.
There wasn't twenty years ago or ten years ago. The
McVeigh tree. There's just all these smart guys. I do
think some of it is this, And tell me if
I'm wrong, Jeff, because I could be that outside of
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Golf and Stafford, almost all quarterbacks move. You can't play
man and man. You have to play his own. You
can't turn your back on quarterbacks. And so I mean,
these kids have personal coaching ten thousand snaps for the
time they're fourteen. It's throwing the spots and with better
coaching and kids with more reps when they enter the league.
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They're good at throwing the spots. I mean Pooka Nakua
does not separate, he's always open. It's throwing to spot.
And I think you know people just complete now sixty
eight percent. It used to be Breeze did that. Darnald
could do that is why do you think there's this
explosion of passer ratings half the leagues at one hundred.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Well you mentioned the important here, right, Like defenses are
playing a lot more zone now because you know, the
idea is just keep everything in front of you, right,
you know it's supposed to. Plays are kind of the
death for any team. Right if you give up a
lot of them, you're going to get beat quite often.
So we're going to play too high and we're going
to make everything keep in front of us. And these
quarterbacks are realizing, I think rightfully. So if these receivers
dud are incredible, these wide receivers, now, I mean, you
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come in the NFL and you're good almost immediately at
this position for a lot of these guys and just
get the ball in their hands and let them run.
And quarterbacks are understanding, like let's just take what's there
and get you know, five yard throw you know, six
seven yard run, like, we're fine with that, and then
eventually it opens up a little bit and you take
some shots. I think quarterbacks are just far more okay
now with we're not taking home runs. We're just gonna
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take in front of us. Coordinators are doing a great
job of scheming up just individual plays that are easy
on quarterbacks at times and make it easier to find
easy completions. And then again the zone covering all that
plays a role. And I've said this from the beginning.
I think that's why the preseason we saw a ton
of scoring. The preseason is quarterback play is better than ever.
We have better quarterbacks backup quarterbacks now that are better
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than ever before. So I think all of it is
just in totality, the quarterback play is better than ever
INFL history.
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Speaker 1 (11:58):
So finally I said this, If I had to vote
Coach of the Year, Baker's my MVP because he's doing
that without Evans and Bucky Irving. Dak would be second.
My coach of the Year is Kyle Shanahan mac Jones,
who I think has more natural talent than Daniel Jones
in terms of throwing the football, not the athlete. The
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fact that they're leading the division and fifty percent of
their best players are not available. People that we've given
up on are now starring. I mean, did you ever
plan a team that you went into a game missing
six starters and you actually played inspired football in one?
(12:40):
I think what he is doing in San Francisco. They
may not win a division, but you could have a
great year coaching and not end up winning playoff games
because of what you do with what you have. How
do you explain the Niners' success with backups everywhere?
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Well, it obviously is a belief in the system and
what they do right that you can plug and play
guys and you look, can you do in a whole season?
Probably not, but you can have a mac Jones come
in and he knows the offense, he knows who to
throw the ball to. Talked about that important, just getting
the ball in the playmaker's hands. And then defensively they
still have enough guys. Now Bosa's out, obviously that's a
big loss, but you know Warner is there, and you
(13:18):
know the very end of that game, they forced a fumble,
they stopped the Rams on fourth down like they're winning.
These moments that are important when you, you know you,
when you want to have a four to one record,
and so I get them. Tell you, I look, that
game was they were underdog by over touchdown and and
throughout the entire game they were with the Rams. Obviously
went the very end. I think the Rams are better,
but clearly in that night and maybe moving forward they're not.
(13:39):
And I played a one team that was really beat
up like this call, and we sucked. I mean we
were terrible. After we everyone got hurt. Me look at
the Ravens, right, the Rams have lost more guys, I
get it, but they're nowhere competitive each and every week,
and I just went to a division rival who's had
their number recently and thoroughly beat them. They were up
the entire game and ended up with a three point win.
So I give them a lot of credit. When Perdy
(14:01):
comes back at some of the wide receivers come back,
they should be able to do. We talked about Niners
big this year. Look, their schedule was pretty easy. This
is a team you should win twelve or thirteen games,
and they're staying on track with a bunch of backups.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Right now, you played for the Chiefs, your brother started
for years at the Chiefs. I'm not worried at all.
I think next week when they get Rashie Rice. I
think the offense the last two weeks has been the
best that it's been in three or four years. I
think they're going to make the playoffs. I'm not worried
or you.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Oh, they'll make the playoffs. The pass rush is a problem.
It's been a problem for a while now. It was
the most underlooked part of the Super Bowl loss. They
didn't touch Jalen Hurst the entire game. They can't get
home with four calling. We know their pressure packages are
great and they can get, you know, but if you
blocked the pressure package up.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
We saw Herbert beat him in week one doing that.
I think you know week one doing that.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
They lost in Week two on a pressure play as well.
Like you have to be able to get home with four.
So I am curious that the Chiefs decide to go
get someone a pass rusher on a losing team and
bring them in for the rest in the season at
some point this year just to say, hey, like that's
that's our missing piece. They're fine defensively, they're going to
stop the run really well, they're good in the back end. Offensively,
(15:07):
they're going to be fine. We just talked about just
get get guys healthy. And one addition too, that's been
really impactful, Like Joshuiman is that draft pick is a
home run. So far, he's been great a left tackle
the other night, Mahomes really the last six quarters, Mahomes
has never looked more comfortable in the years in the
pocket there he's finding his open guys. And so my
question is pass rushers. Are they going to you know,
(15:29):
bring in an addition a pass rusher. There's a couple
of guys on losing teams right now. You could look
toward and say, hey, maybe week eight, week nine, we
want to be aggressive and bring that guy to our team.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Jeff Schwartz, he's taken Michigan over USC. You're the second
person Joel Klatt likes Michigan against USC until you show
me you're tough. I don't think you're tough. That's right,
very easy. Good see. Anybody take care boy that. I'm
gonna tell you something. If you lose to Michigan at home.
(15:59):
We don't even know if Michigan got the right coach.
They have a freshman, a true freshman quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So you saw us. He's favored in this right. It
was one and a half, now two and a half.
I Are these guys just being haters?
Speaker 8 (16:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I think they get laying back at wide receiver, they
get page back at left tackle. I think USC. I'm
gonna go twenty seven to twenty four USC.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Oh, that's the total for this one's fifty seven, so
you'd be under the light, slightly under.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I think USC wins covers and it's the under.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I'll break it down for you after hours today and
come back with a pick tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Jmack with the news, No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
You know, we haven't done any NBA lately.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
South May's newest resident, Luca Dunchic looking very skinny. He
lost a lot of weight and Lebron has finally addressed
the weight loss.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
So dramatic weight loss of Luca done it.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
It just looks, you know, obviously a little bit quicker,
you know, a little bit more function. But I think
more importantly, I think what a lot of people will
not see is the recovery now. I think for him personally,
I think what's going to change for him. He's going
to see how he wakes up the next day after
three or four nights. I'm super duper proud of him.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, I think he's going to have the ball in
his hands more so, and and and Lebron's going to
have Tennessee in his hands.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, he dunked the ball more Remember you had that
stat last year Luca had one dunk. He had twenty
five as a rookie won last year. So he doesn't
he doesn't beat people off the dribble. It's a lot
more fallaways and a lot more body contact. Besides the gerse,
he did have the calf issue, and you know, that
that could become a name.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Athlete.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Jason Tatum and tyres aaliborro at calf injuries lead to
you know what.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I don't say that word A word I would just
say is he wasn't as explosive, and so that will
get him more easy baskets, more open looks, more dunks.
He'll play downhill more and he'll take the ball. In
his first two years, when he was in better shape,
it was hard to get the ball, wrestle the ball
out of his hands. So Lebron's going to have to
come to terms with playing off the ball a lot more.
(18:09):
Because when Lucas in his shape his first two years,
he didn't give it up. I mean they moved Jaylen
Bronson out of town and Jalen was great. He wants
the ball in his hands and he'll lead the league
in scoring this year.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Not going to be popular, but I think the idea
that Reddick could stagger their minutes. Obviously they're both going
to start and they'll finish, but when Luca's off, I
think you need Lebron on because then they'll have the
ball in his hands and kind of pacify Lebron a
little bit, right because.
Speaker 9 (18:33):
He's still that guy. He was an All NBA player
last year. I'm excited for the Lakers season.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Next up, let's go to Oh yeah, obviously, Lincoln Riley
big matchup this weekend against Michigan and US. He sold
out three games last year for the first time since
twenty twelve. Penn State Nebraska Notre Dame this weekend also
is sellout, except that Michigan head coach Sharon Moore, he's
(18:58):
got a reason why.
Speaker 10 (19:01):
Sold out because Michigan's coming. So we're not We're excited
about the opportunity for guys to get to go back
home and see family and family, you know, be clos
certain friends, but not make it too much of a
deal there.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I don't really care what he says.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
We're looking forward to playing.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Are you gonna go to the game?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I'll be watching the game.
Speaker 9 (19:22):
I have an undisclosed location.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I have a I have a busy Saturday, but I'll
be glued to this one.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I'm gonna give up too much of the plan just so,
Suaron Moore, I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't love that trash talk. You do know the
USC players are going to see this video. Lincoln Riley
play this in the locker room. Oh really, that's a
Michigan I do know some Michigan fans, some guys I
hoop with, are very excited for this game.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
I hope.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
We know Chargers games.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
They struggle well, Washington Chargers at SOFI was probably fifty
five forty five Charge.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Here's the thing, you can load the box against Michigan
because I don't. I don't fear their what USC is
weak at corner, Michigan's not strong at They won't expose that. Now.
Michigan may win through physicality. But the truth is it
really like USC will move the ball and in USC
will get that ball. Outside. USC skilled players and when
(20:17):
their all lines healthy it is now it wasn't at Illinois.
They'll have their elite left tackle. They'll have their tackles
back playing that position. So they was kind of a
makeshift though lane. They were moving guys around. So I
think it's twenty seven to twenty four USC, very very
good game, and I think a lot of it will
be played between the thirties. I think USC will play
(20:40):
fairly inspired. Michigan will win time of possession, but USC
will have a few more dynamic plays over the top
I know a.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Lot of Michigan fans are gonna want to leave cold
ann Arbor to come to Sunny La in October.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
Do you think Jordan Mayava is.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Going to have to do a little maybe silent snap
count at the line of Scrimmans is it's gonna be
that many Michigan stas.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You realize when it comes to the Chargers, USC UCLA
and the Rams. A lot of people in America, most
people in America live in lousy weather during the football
season starting in about October, and so they like to
come to Los Angeles. Yeah, go to Disneyland hang out.
So the reality in Los Angeles is not very many
(21:21):
people are going. You know, I'm gonna pick one road
trip this year. I'm gonna go to Denver, and Denver's nice,
But that wouldn't be the road trip you'd pick. You
would pick like Las Vegas to go watch the Raiders,
or you'd pick Los Angeles. It used to be San Diego.
I knew a lot of people that were NFL fans.
If Baltimore played San Diego and you lived in Baltimore,
it's like, dude, November fifth, let's go take our kids.
(21:42):
San Diego Zoo the beach that was the place. Now
it's Los Angeles. So it's just the reality of you know,
it's one game a week. It's a great vacation spot
for the record of Miami Dolphins for years, a lot
of people. Miami's got a lot of Dolphin games, have
a lot of visitors because it's Miami in the winter.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Certainly, final story, Colin, is we touched on that Eagles
player only meeting. Well, it seems like Brian Dabole call
wind of it because listen, take a listen to this sound.
I don't know if this is gamesmanship or what, but
very interesting jabs here by Brian Dable.
Speaker 11 (22:16):
Watch the tape. AJ's opened a lot. So but you
get a Saquon and he's got productive yards, you run
his own read or throw it to Smitty. There's another thing.
There's there's a lot of weapons, I would say on
that offense, and whatever they choose to do is what
they do.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
And a J.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Brown is open a lot, little smirk day what he's doing,
and he wants AJ Brown to read that and get
a little testy. That's what he wants. He's playing gamesmanship.
You're gonna go with the prisons like Phil Jackson, the
former Laker coach. He would complain about the officials, Well,
you know, if they if they're gonna allow that kind
of holding, we're gonna have to, uh, you know, engineer
a kind of a different offen. I mean, if they're
gonna allow that with Rashid Wallace and him pushing off
(22:58):
to get open on the baseline, I mean, you know,
it's it's the officials had made a decision. So I'm
gonna have to coach, you know. He would say, just
enough to have the Commissioner's office call him, maybe, but
maybe not get a fine. Phil was great at just
just planting seeds. And I think that is a That's
that's Brian Dable saying, well, he's wide open, He's open
(23:19):
all the time.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Difference is Phil Jackson was in the finals, Brian Dables
fighting for his job.
Speaker 11 (23:24):
Well.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
By the way, Jalen Carter just broking here, breaking news here.
He popped up on the injury report with a heel
injury questionable for tomorrow night. Jalen Carter, Hey, when they're out,
when he's out of the middle, Cam Scattaboo could go
wild tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Wild, maybe wild, Okay, possible. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. I
do like news.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I do like him. He's there's something there. Jackson Dart Scataboo,
he's fun.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
Scattaboo reminds me of myself. Just tough, physical, not backing
down from anybody.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Nobody else says that. All right, we wrap it up next,
we're on the Fox Sports Afterday. Fox app is crushing
right now. I've been told, go by it. It's worth it.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Third be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
weekdays and neon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Welcome back. What I didn't ask you? What did you
make of the Athletic article calling Arch Manning a flop
and a bust? It felt a little harsh.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I mean, it's largely accurate, but he's not the first
bust ever, like you said, there's been plenty of other guys.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
The problem is his last name is Manning, right, the
best line.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Somebody came on my podcast and said Arch Manning has
a five star last name, but he's a three star recruit,
like he was a good player elevated because of his
last name. Then he gets on the big stage and
MIGI didn't look good against Ohio State, Sam Houston State,
whoever they played last Florida.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
He bagged him like it just I didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Doesn't look great at the optics on it. He holds
the ball, his mechanics are him.
Speaker 9 (25:06):
Miss percentage, like he's missing layups. Can you turn around?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Of course, many guys Joe Burrow, as many people have said,
his first year right in college, when he was a starter,
it was LSU was like.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
But go look at arch Manning's class in high school.
The top four quarterbacks, one of them is crushing Dante
more three have underwhelmed. And that's really when I read
the article, I'm like, it is hard to figure out
what eighteen year old is going to crush it in college.
I mean your first year in college, I was on
academic probation. I stopped. I forgot how to study. Like
(25:40):
it's hard. You you're he's a Manning, he's got some money,
he's gonna look.
Speaker 9 (25:44):
Weren't playing football, can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah? So I think college is the first time a
lot of kids are on their own. You got a
little spending money now in IL I think it's harder.
I think there's more bus with quarterbacks, not in the NFL,
but in college.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I think you were a star in high school, you
go to college expect be a star, and they're like, yeah,
you're third on the depth chart.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
You're like, why am I saying here?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
There is something to be said about having it like
Arch doesn't quite feel like I mean, he's big enough,
he's got he's got arm strength, he moves well, you know,
some of it is just sometimes it's just there is
a thing about quarterback play that it's hard to quantify.
It's like some guys just like when I first watched Mahomes,
I'm like, he's they say this about Wayne Gretzky, he
(26:25):
sees the play before it's fully developed. Gretzky passed the
puck before the play was fully developed. Mahomes has that
Aaron Rodgers in his prime was that Aaron could see
something just just a half beat before it was open.
Here's Joel Klatt earlier on the on the athletics story
about Arch being the biggest bust.
Speaker 12 (26:45):
Ever, Arch is not played well at all, and Texas
has not played well. And that's the other part is
that they're not doing really anything. Well, the offensive line,
which was rebuilt this year after a veteran group a
year ago, they have not protected him at all. When
they do protect him, he doesn't throw the ball well,
they can't run it very well. If you look at
(27:06):
what they've done against FBS competition, it's like nothing.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Nothing.
Speaker 12 (27:09):
So there's no evidence that would lead you to believe
that this is going to turn around all of a sudden.
It's not like they've had some performance against a good
team that would lead you to believe that all of
a sudden it's going to get better.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, no, I think that's fair. The other story is
it's you know, it's so different. Baseball in New York
is so different. Okay, first of all, you have a
lot of revenue, a lot of money, and so the
fans read that and hear about it, and the expectations
are high. You know, Milwaukee struggles. Everybody knows middle of
the pack or at best salaries, so you come into
every season with massive expectations. The Yankees are interesting. Garrett
(27:44):
Cole gets hurt before the season. You're not winning the
World Series. I mean, to me, expectations for the Yankees
have been unrealistic. I mean Bullpe is a good player,
but he commits a lot of errors. Aaron Judged a
good player until last night. He had good moments. He'd
be great player, obviously, John Carlos Anton's hurt a lot.
They're not a great base running team. They're not a
great defensive team. They're an uneven roster. They have more
(28:05):
good players than a Boston They're not close to the Dodgers.
I don't think they're as complete as the Brewers. And
so a lot of it's just expectations. I mean, Aaron Judge,
I said it before. They're an action movie. He's the
lead and he has to be on camera or the
movie's not as good. You know, it's a rock movie.
It's an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. They got to be on camera.
(28:28):
It's not a great cast, it's not a great plot.
It's not a great script. The Dodgers are a great script,
a great plot, an ensemble cast. That's not what the
Yankees are. And so I think once Garrett Cole got hurt,
go back to the last year's World Series, the two
games they looked like they could compete with the Dodgers.
(28:48):
He started go to the other games. Dude, it looked
like the Dodgers and an American LEA Central team with
a eighteenth biggest payroll. They they weren't good defensively. They
didn't run the base as well. They don't play small ball.
This team strikes out all the time.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
They were the second best team in Major League Baseball
last year, like they weren't the Dodgers this year. I
don't think they're the second best, but I would not
be shocked if they got back to the World Series,
would you? Yes, Wow, you're that high on the Blue Jays. Huh, Well,
the Blue Jays are a bad matchup. The Blue Jays
led baseball in hits and the Yankees starting pitching without
Cole Is okay, I mean last night ro Don's their
(29:24):
guy got raped. It's not even I mean he was
out in two and the third inning.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
Night.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Is mister Schlittler, the man you missed, the legend you
didn't know who he was seven days ago?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Him?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Actually correct, he's Pedro Martinez in his prime right now here.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Here's Derek Jeter on Aaron Judge's home run last night.
Speaker 13 (29:48):
He has had a tremendous postseason this year. Now he
hadn't hit the big home run until this time. But
he was taking what they were giving him, and he
was getting his hits.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
He was getting on base.
Speaker 13 (29:58):
You could tell by his body laying which the confidence
is there. I don't know how he hit the pitch.
It was one hundred at his neck inside, but you
know there's there's yeah, man, there's there's one person on
the planet that can do it, and the's Aaron Judge.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, it's it's just different with him. I think Judge
is great and everybody knows it. But I think Yankee
fans and the Steinbrenners don't look at it like the
Dodgers are going They're just gonna spend more. That's not
what the Yankees are now. So they have holes on
their team. And I think New York teams, I mean
both NFL teams are bad. The Knicks have been bad
mostly for thirty years. The Mets always underachieve. So people
(30:33):
just think the Yankees are like the like Pops Yankees,
and that's not what they are. I never got the
John Carlos Stanton movie was Hurt in Miami, and they
already had Aaron Judge. It was doubling down on what
you had. What they're not over the last several years.
They're not well rounded. Milwaukee with half the payroll, I mean,
I've been less than half, is incredibly well rounded. Seattle's
(30:56):
got the fifteenth payroll, elite, closer, consistent staff power, hitting,
hit for singles. I think the Yankees are just an
uneas Again, they're an action movie. The stars got to
be on screen because the plot is what it is.
Speaker 9 (31:09):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Historically, pitchers have been able to put a team on
their back and carry them.
Speaker 9 (31:15):
Do you think Judge can do that?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
He's hitting off the charts in the season, so there's
no chance Judge could continue to do this.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Toronto leads baseball and hits like the Yankees. Well, the
Yankees got enough guys on base to beat Toronto. It's like,
there's only been two great scripts in the history of
action movies, Predator and die Hard.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
What about this it impossible?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Well, those are those are all time epic classics. That's
the power of Tom Crue. There's only been two action
movies in my life. I watched and I thought, what
a great script? Die Hard and Predator. Everything else. You're
kind of buying into the lead. You know, you're you're
kind of buying into you know, it's not the screen.
You're not watching for the script. Something's there's funny lines.
(32:01):
You're rooting for the good guy to beat the bad guys.
I still remember Diehard.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
My parents, me and my brother convinced my parents to
take us to see that, you know, and we were
young guys, and as soon as the f bombs started,
we were.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
Like, this is the greatest movie ever.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Bruce Willis, I mean that made his career, Like Bruce
Willis in die Hard.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Was it's a great off the charts. Yeah, so there's yeah,
it's that. That's the Yankees. You got to have certain
people at the plate for them to be great. O
Tawny can go all for four with three strikeouts. Freddie
Freeman last year carried them in a series. Mookie Betts
struggled in September on fire. Edmund Tommy the kid that
(32:41):
was Tommy Edmund wn't he like the NLDS MVP or something.
Last year an LCS MVP. Give me a break. He
wasn't even gonna start until it was an injury. Just
keep the ringer on tonight for when the Yanks are hot.
Then they are up five to one in the eighth inning,
I will let you know about it. What happens if
Old Cam goes out there and gives you about four
(33:06):
and a third.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
He's a young guy. You know what happens. We're onto
twenty twenty six, that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, just lower the expectations as a Yankee fan, Toronto
better Milwaukee's.
Speaker 9 (33:16):
This is what the great teams do. It's World Series
or bust.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's all right, They're not a great team. Maybe the
great franchises think that way, but I think expectations are
just off. All right, We're done for today. My day
is just I got a dentist appointment. Oh yeah, gotta
look sharp on this show. You gotta bring it every day,
glossy
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