3 & Out - What's going with the Raiders, is Luke Fickell the problem at Wisconsin, and Baker for MVP?

John answers all of your questions from the deeper issues with the Raiders, the latest with the Jonanthan Gannon situation, to why Wisconsin has fallen so far, and much more in this episode's massive mailbag segment. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff threeing out podcast Thursday Night Football. We got

(00:22):
the New York Football Giants taking on the Philadelphia Eagles.
We will be live on YouTube after the show. Follow
that YouTube page. Obviously be out in the morning as
an audio podcast, so we'll be reacting Stucky. I'll record
with Stucky on Well, if you're listening to this on Thursday,
I'm probably recording with him right now. So that'll be

(00:44):
the show for Friday and today. I said, you know what,
I was looking at a lot of the mailbag questions
and they were a lot of them were stuff that
I was going to talk about anyway. So I said,
you know what, let's just do a massive mailbag at
John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is my Instagram. Fire in
those dms, get your questions answered on the show throughout Wednesday.

(01:05):
It looks like the Belichick thing is getting even worse,
so if something officially happens, I will definitely react to that.
But I was like, you know, I've talked about that
two days in a row. We will just wait until
he quits or he's fired, which all signs kind of
point to that happening now, which is insane. If you
would have told me, even the biggest haters that hated

(01:26):
Bill Belichick, that don't like Mike Lombardi, that he wouldn't
make it too week six, he wouldn't make it to
the cow game, I don't think they would have believed you.
I definitely would not have. So if he doesn't coach
next Friday and quits or is fired, that's pretty insane.
And this is why people like me have jobs, because
he can't make this stuff up. It's the ultimate reality

(01:47):
television show. Now. I didn't think he was gonna be
a Carolina lifer, but I would have put the over
under him like two and a half years. But looks
like that might not be the case. Who knows, by
the time you're listening to this, Belichick might not be
the coach in North Carolina. You guys know the drill.
If you listen on Collins Feed, make sure you subscribe
to three and out. Let's dive right into Allen here.

(02:10):
Let me see if I clicked it. I don't know
if he said it or not, but what are your
thoughts on the Jonathan Gannon situation? Would de Marcato and
Gannon being fined one hundred thousand dollars. Growing up playing football,
it just looked like average stuff our high school coaches
would do to us. And if you asked, me Gannon

(02:31):
had the right to be furious with him. My initial
reaction was it was an all time screw up by
the player, which at the time, when Gannon lost it,
didn't know was going to lose him the game. But
he was clearly furious because the only way like it
was it would have been impossible for the Titans to
win the game, literally impossible. If he scores twenty eight

(02:52):
to six or the worst even the league, the game's
over then it is officially they could have called it
right then, and obviously it flipped. And Jonathan Gannon so dummy.
He's been coaching long enough to realize what that that
cannot happen. I mean, it was an embarrassment, right that
that is a coaching point that gets hammered to players,
even when the situations happened in the league. Right, But

(03:13):
that's a that's a natural one throughout training camp, throughout
the season that gets brought up and talked about. It's
an embarrassing moment, and he's really mad now, I've seen
some players go, you can't touch the player like he
hit them. To me, it looked like on a chest plate,
like a blow the shoulder pad. It wasn't like he
socked him in the face. And then he apologized. He said,
I slept on it. It was a bad look, which
you could go. Listen, part of your deal, you know

(03:35):
your team's not winning that many games over the course
of your career, is kind of holding it together. You
mentally lost it. But if my wife freaked out because
I slightly undercook the rice tonight for dinner, like, it'd
be like, what are you talking about? Now? Granted she's pregnant,
so emotions can run high, but if I flooded at
our closet and our master bathroom, like, I would expect

(03:57):
her reaction to not be great. And I think if
he had just lost it because de Marcado had taken
the wrong aim point on the outside zone, he's like, bro,
calm down. He literally dropped the ball on I don't
know the inch line, and like gave the Titans life,
which ended up giving them a lot of life because

(04:18):
they won the game. I think also one hundred thousand
and I say this about any fine. Basketball players, baseball players,
NFL players, I think fines are egregiously high. I mean,
when I see some of these players getting like twenty
five thousand dollars for dress infraction, I'm like, that's an
outrageous amount of money. And most of these guys are

(04:40):
not Patrick Mahomes making fifty million dollars. So if you
make a million dollars and you get fined a couple
times at twenty five fifty thousand dollars, that's net right,
that's getting fined up your net income, not the gross.
So Jonathan Gammon lives in a ten million dollar house
in Paradise Valley, like he's doing fine. I do think
one hundred thousand dollars fine for that is in insane.

(05:01):
If you wanted to say, like he got fined ten
grand and got a slap on the wrist one hundred
thousand dollars, it's not even about soft because I think
the league is so reactionary. They don't care about any
of this shit. They really don't like they're not like
there's no one in the league office offended or anything.
They just pr they react right, Ray Rice's wife gets KOed,
it gets leaked, They react. I mean, it's just constantly reactionary.

(05:24):
They don't actually care about anything beside trying to make
the most money possible with television games like that. That's
their one goal to be as popular as possible and
make as much money as possible. Everything else is pure reactionary.
And I'd say pure theater, like that's what the Jonathan
Gann thing is. But if you're Jonathan Gannon and his
his wire that comes every week or two weeks, that

(05:44):
ain't theater. It's like that's insane. Like I apologize, I
thought his apology was genuine. He regretted it, which again
he didn't hit the guy in the face, like hit
him in the pat like you said, anyone that played
high school football obviously college football, Like these things happen
all the time. I mean, people scream things that you
could never scream in any other profession, which I just

(06:07):
did it to myself. Who cares, like I hate that.
It's like, well you couldn't do this, and well, yeah,
no shit. In the insurance cubicle, we understand that football
is a different world. People swear at each other constantly,
scream at each other constantly, the only reason he lost
his mind is because it was the dumbest play of
all time, and everyone that had the Cardinals in a

(06:28):
Survivor pick, just in any sort of moneyline parlay support Scannon.
So yeah, one hundred thousand dollars. I don't think it
has anything to do with soft I just think it
has to do with like I think sometimes these people
in some of these corporate positions have a false sense
of like the way people look at stuff. Again, my

(06:49):
reaction was like, not that big a deal. I would
imagine most players didn't think it was that big a deal.
I saw some older players like, you can't put your
hands on you, like, I don't know, I mean kind
of hit him in the shoulder pads. That big a deal.
I'm with you. I mean I didn't. That's over my
head because I didn't think it was one hundred thousand dollars.
When I saw that number, I was like, are we serious?

(07:12):
Like the player ruins the game has to own it.
The coach apologizes for losing his mind. Losing his mind
would be strong for the interaction, and can't we just
move on? A question for the back not to be
a broken record because the topic is definitely being worn out,

(07:32):
but let's say the Eagles lose to the Giants or
squeak out a win. What's the likelihood of the Eagles
moving on from the ROC and pursuing Mike McDaniels as
an immediate replacement. Well, he's got to be fired first,
So I think you're assuming he's going to be fired.
I think that's a little more difficult than the way

(07:53):
it's being thrown about. When I see a lot of
people say Mike McDaniel as the next OC, I think
that's an offseason project. I don't think you can just
bring him in week eight, fire the OC and be like,
you run the offense now. He'd be like, well, what's
the offense? What's the verbage? Like, they can't just speak
my language. If they're speaking Chinese and I speak Spanish,

(08:15):
how are we supposed to communicate? So to me, it
doesn't really work mid season. I guess you could bring
him in as a quote unquote consultant, but you hired
Vic Fangio that clearly doesn't really respect Mike McDaniels, so
that'd be a little weird. I just think you're kind
of stuck with this kind of group, like you just
got to make it work. If I had to guess,

(08:37):
I bet it's kind of going to be a low
scoring game. Mail back question. I'm curious on the process
of finding ocs and DC's in the league. How does
Dan Campbell find a Ben Johnson and how do these
talented coordinators seem to come out of thin air? Well,
Dan Campbell worked with Ben Johnson in Miami. So when

(08:59):
Dan Campbell worked for I think Joe Philbin, maybe it
was Tony Soprano. I forget how Dan immediately or originally
got there. Ben Johnson was either on the staff or
came at one point when he was there. So a
lot of these interactions with quote unquote no name guys
happened when people work together. It's right, like, how did

(09:20):
Sean McVeigh hire Kevin O'Connell to be his offensive coordinator
a couple of years ago because they had worked together
when Jay Gruden had hired Kevin O'Connell years before in Washington, Right,
So these guys meet each other that way. A lot
of it is just because you're hired, Like, how did
I meet most of my friends in the NFL? Well,
I was just worked for the Eagles and they worked

(09:41):
there two It's like Howie Roseman hired him, And I
just met guys that now work you know for still
work for the the you know, the Eagles, the Raiders,
the Bucks, the Chiefs. You know, just just at a happenstance.
It's like it's no different than all these guys that
work together because of Nick Saban, Well because Nick Saban

(10:02):
hired all these guys. So I think it's a lot
of it's that. And then you know Dan Campbell, when
he elevated Ben Johnson, he probably thought highly of him
as a young coach, as a smart coach, former quarterback
at the University of North Carolina. I don't know if
Bill Belichick's allowed to post anything about the Bears, but yeah,

(10:23):
I just think you meet him, you like him, and
then you hope because you never know, because for every
Ben Johnson, there's a Kevin Patola. What do you think
it would take for college football to start a conference
based NFL, Red Zone, ACC, Big ten, SEC, etc. Each
Having their own show that runs their game throughout the day,
all in one place. I think it would pull in

(10:44):
big money. I think they had talked about this, and
the problem is, are you saying separate would take on
based show. So it's just one of the issues I
think is like Fox and esp IN and Disney and CBS,
they all own rights to different leagues. So like in

(11:04):
the when the NFL network showed the red Zone, well
the NFL owns everything, right, they just license it out
and sell you the rights to broadcast the games. But
if they want to do a red zone, they they
own their product, right, they owned quote unquote the IP.
But if you're Fox, you know who hosts the red Zone?
Is it ESPNOS or Fox? If it's ESPN, well then

(11:25):
why am I giving you the rights to do you know,
Michigan and Ohio state highlights and Oregon highlights. So it
can get kind of you know, convoluted and complicated that
in that situation. And if you wanted to do an
individual like Big ten or acc Red Zone, well, like
at any point in the day, there might only be
two or three games going on, and what if no

(11:46):
one's in the red zone, So it's it's like the afternoon, like,
let's face it, the red zone like that. The the
the channel that we watch on Sundays is dramatically better
from ten am to one pm Pacific Standard time, or
you know, depend on wherever you live, that morning slate
of games, it's not as especially what in the afternoon

(12:07):
when there's three games, you don't really need it. I mean,
even if you only got one TV, if you got
YouTube TV now, you can just put the three games on.
You can just watch two of the games, Like, you
don't really need the red zone channel in the afternoon.
I think that would be a lot of college football
is It would be like two and three game windows.
I have somewhat of a different type question for the mailbag,

(12:28):
if you're up to it. The recent situation with players
inexcusably dropping the ball at the one yard line got
me thinking, what is your biggest pet peeve while watching
any NFL or college game? For me, it's when obviously
inferior team punts in the opposing team's territory, resulting in

(12:48):
a touchback. It's almost like, instead of trying to pull
off an upset, they play conservative and are actively trying
to make the game as boringly possible to watch. Also
side note, the recent writer right cut porta Potti story
you told was hilarious. I would say my two biggest
pet peeves in college football it is one hundred percent

(13:10):
kicking kids out of games for targeting in twenty twenty five.
I've been saying this for years. No one's trying to
hurt anybody. They have had a hammer home. Now through
high school through college. The day and age of people
leading with their head and trying to break people's skulls,
it used to happen. You used to be coached up
on defense to fucking send the guide to the training tent.
People just trying to make tackles Now and most of

(13:33):
these kids that are playing on Saturday, even at good schools,
are not the next Ed Reid. They're not gonna play
in the NFL. And even if they play in the NFL,
their careers are gonna be very the amount of games.
If you're like a college junior and it's your first
year starting, and you're gonna be a two year starter,
and then your career in the NFL might be like
two years practice squad, never even playing a game beside
a preseason game. You only have so many games you

(13:55):
get to play at that level, which is incredible if
you're at like you know, a Utah or an Ole
miss or whatever, but you're not gonna be an NFL player.
And then for you to get kicked out of a
game to then also miss the start of the next game.
Is it really grinds my gears. I mean it infuriates me.

(14:16):
I feel like a parent for these kids, Like this
is insanity. How are we still doing this an NFL.
I I'm all for protecting the quarterback with the rules,
and as we see the more and more of these
backup quarterbacks that come in, it sucks. I mean the Bengals, like,
it's not the rules. You know, Joe Burrow heard his

(14:38):
tow he hurt his toe, but like, we miss out
when these quarterbacks get hurt. Kyle Brant was on my
show Whatever a couple of weeks ago said the same thing,
and I totally agree. I do think we bail quarterbacks
out a lot though in the NFL. You know, I
think we should change the PI rule to fifteen yards
auto because you throw some of these bombs that have
no chance of hitting and you get like forty fifty yards.

(15:00):
Do you think we call defensive holding? Also shouldn't be
an automatic first down. You know, if it's third and
twelve and there's defensive holding, you know, six yards, like
you should get. Okay, now it's third and six. I
hate defensive holding getting automatic first downs, and I hate
the past interference gets you so many yards, so that
those would probably be my two. I already know the
answer to this one. Who do you think is better

(15:22):
Herbert or Trevor Lawrence? If you were a GM starting
a franchise with whoever you want as the coach and
all the other personnel being equal. Come on, this is
if I pulled every single human being in the NFL,
including Liam Cohen I forget their GM's name, and Tony
Boselli and the con family, there wouldn't be one person

(15:43):
that This might include Trevor Lawrence's wife, who would pick
Trevor Lawrence. It is, honestly no shade to Trevor Lawrence.
You're comparing him to a guy who would I see
someone called him the best passer in the NFL. Who
was it? I forget someone called Justin Herbert the best
pure passer in twenty twenty five in the NFL. Listen,

(16:07):
I think Justin Herbert's in a different universe than Trevor Lawrence.
I give Trevor credit. Played hard the other night, ran around,
made plays. Honestly, is probably one of his better games.
Still like relative to like Mahomes. I don't think it's
a great game, but I just don't think he's that
good relative to the number one overall pick and a
guy that got two hundred million dollars. Is he a
starting quarterback. I'm not saying he should be like a backup,

(16:29):
but I think he's one of the most overhyped players
of all time. I still can't get over people talking
about him like he was the greatest thing since slice spread.
As a prospect, I didn't quite see that, but relative
to his class, they were right. Hot take. The NFC

(16:50):
has better teams than the AFC. The discussion always been
that the AFC has better top end quarterbacks. Mahomes, Alan
lamar Borough and the NFC team were more well rounded.
While I see the value of having elite quarterbacks, we
see teams like the Ravens and the Bengals immediately go
trash without their quarterback, while teams like the Niners, Vikings
Commanders are still competitive with their backups. The only realistic

(17:12):
Super Bowl contenders I can see from the AFC are
the Bills, Broncos, and Colts, maybe the Chiefs, while the
NFC could have anyone in the playoff picture Eagles, Bucks, Lions, Packer, Seahawks, Rams,
Commanders forty nine Ers totally agree. I do think the
last couple of years the Eagles really got hot and
they were playing well and their team was stacked. But

(17:33):
you know the years, I think the AFC has been
better at the top for like two or three years
because the Bills, the Ravens, and the Chiefs were playing
so well. But as we sit here right now, I
don't even think it's an argument. The NFC is every
bit as good and is way deeper, right. I mean,
if the Steelers are one of your best four or
five teams, like, the NFC is better than you. People

(18:00):
talk trash about the Toushbush as if the Eagles are
the only team that can run the play due to
their quarterback being able to squat five hundred pounds. I
think it's six hundred, but know what you mean. Understanding
their own line strength is also a large factor. What
prevents a team with a solid ol line from putting
a running back, full back, or tight end at the
quarterback position. For example, why doesn't the team with a

(18:23):
solid old line, as the Lions, put David Montgomery or
Laporta in the quarterback run and run the toush push.
In at quarterback and run the toushpush. Well, I think
this answer is pretty simple. It's because anyone that's you know,
played pee wee football, let alone college or pro like,
the quarterback center exchange is something that has taken very

(18:46):
seriously and a lot of coaches do not trust many
people with their hands in the center's ass beside a quarterback.
Even when you think about it, a lot of like
runs direct run to a running back or out of
the shotgun because it's just easier to catch the ball
for those guys than it is to have the quarterback

(19:08):
center exchange. And I think it would be very difficult
for a coach to sleep at night if they tried
to run the tush push. You know, Travis Kelcey's a
guy who has ran the tush push right for the Chiefs.
Didn't he play quarterback? Wasn't that his position before he
moved the tight end? He was a quarterback, so he's

(19:29):
done that before. It's pretty rare. Like you put David
Montgomery under there. I don't think Dan Campbell and Johnny
Morton would feel great about like what could go wrong?
And how do you practice that well, it's like you
take the center away from Jared Goff, so it's while
it seems easy, you're like he's just snapping into their hands.

(19:50):
I think when you talk about mid game, it's sweaty.
It's not what these guys are used to. I think
that plays a pretty big role question for the bag.
As a Niner fan, I understand everyone wanting to trade
for a big name d Lineman. I agree we need one,
but I think we should wait until the trade deadline
when the prices go down. What do you think, pull

(20:13):
the trigger now Hendrickson, Chubb, Thibodeaux or wait until the deadline. Yeah,
I mean I want to see what the record is.
I mean, if you're like seven and one, you're seven
and one, but or you know, eight and whatever. I
think the deadline's week nine. So if you played eight
games and you're six and two, but it's like you've

(20:36):
won some crazy games with a bunch of backups, you
have a million injuries, you're transitioning away from some of
these high priced guys, You're gonna need draft picks. So
I'd have a hard time like trading my pick fifty
for Trey Hendrickson. I really especially he's gonna be a
free agent. I just are the forty nine ers of

(20:56):
Super Bowl team if they were fully healthy and all
their guys were playing all the games, for sure, But
who knows when George Kittle can come back. Boas is
out for the year, Purty is going to be in
and out of the lineup. They're depending on Mac Jones,
who's also injured. I saw there the list of guys
injured right now today, missing practice or like Juwan Jennings,
Ricky Piersoll. I would not trade a high pick now.

(21:19):
Would I take a guy for like a fourth or
fifth rounder? For sure? Can I get Cavon because he's
making some money? Because remember they picked up his fifth
year option, so next year Caveon is making like fifteen
million dollars. Would I take him for a year and
a half with like a fourth or fifth round pick, Yeah,
I'd entertain that. But a second day pick for one

(21:40):
of these guys that's not gonna be on my team
next year. I need that draft capital. I mean, I'm
just kind of rechanging my roster now that the Dolphins
season is legitimately over, when does the selloff begin? As
a non KC fan asking gambling purposes, their move would

(22:02):
seem obvious. Trade for h Chan If in theory you
agree that's possible, what would it cost to complete? Well,
you have to understand coach Reid is much more likely
to pass the ball than to run the ball. Like
I would imagine, while everyone's negative on their two running backs,

(22:23):
he like, that's more than serviceable for him. If they're
gonna trade for a guy, they are much more likely.
To me, after watching that team the night, trade for
a defensive back or trade for like another defensive lineman,
I think they would trade for defense before they would
trade for a running back. So I I think the

(22:43):
way the other two guys are playing, and that kid
from Smith, the kid from SMU, the rookie who's their
kick returner, I'd be a little shocked if they traded
for a running back. I would expect them, you know,
defense dB just someone on defense, playmakers on defense. If
they are going to trade for somebody, good question though.

(23:09):
I do think he would have value. But you know,
the Bills, they don't need them, Colts don't need them,
Lions don't need them, Packers don't need them, Eagles don't
need them, Niners and you know I mean, McCaffrey get
hurt any moment, but they're not gonna. I just don't
think harder to trade for a running back than you
realize in terms of like what his value is to

(23:31):
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Speaker 1 (26:01):
Where did the Raiders go from here? It's obviously time
for yet another complete rebuild, but their head coach is
over seventy I think he's seventy four, and they're paying
their OC six million dollars a year. I really don't
understand it. We finally have adults in the room, Brady Spytech,
Pete Carroll Kelly. Yet they use the sixth overall pick
on a running back. Clearly they believe the offensive line

(26:23):
toward the end of last year was strong enough to
justify that selection, but they've completely reshuffled it, moving guys
out of position. It's also worth noting that Carol hired
his own son to be both the O line coach
and the run game coordinator. I think you have to
understand when you draft a player right, a running back,

(26:44):
any position, really high. It's not about the first month
of their career. Honestly, it's not really about their rookie season.
Think about some of the guys that were drafted high,
like Bejon Robinson or McCaffrey or Saquon Barkley. When you
do make that move, you're expecting him to be a
multi contract guy for your team, So it might be

(27:05):
bumpy early on. The NFL is hard. But they drafted
Saquon because they thought when they picked six, he was
the best player on the board. I think it was
really that simple. And you know, if there had been
a tackle there were taking, I think they would have
taken him. If there had been a defensive lineman there
were taking, I think they would have taken him. But
they viewed relative to his class, he's the best player.

(27:26):
I don't think they just went into it thinking like
we're running back away. Even though I kind of disagree
with the pick, I do understand if he's the best
player on your board, if you go with that philosophy,
you're going to be better off more often than not.
I think it's more of an indication of, like how
shitty this team is like they've been bad for a
real long time. And I totally understand, Like if your spytech,

(27:49):
if you're Pete Carroll, giving Max Crosby an extension right
paying him a bunch of money, you want him on
your team. Great leader, high level guy, tone setter, team captain.
But I think we oft to agree he's kind of
wasting away on this team, like his value for all
Like can you imagine his value to like the Bills,

(28:10):
or his value to the Colts, or his value to
the Lions. Think about his value to the Packers. I
guess trade for Mica, But like those type teams Seattle,
the forty nine ers, it's really really high. And it
gets complicated because in the NFL with signing bonuses, it's
I have to look at his contract, but having just

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paid him, I think they would be reluctant. But his
value on the team, like could he get him like
a one in two twos? Wouldn't that be better for
them long long term than just keeping him around. But
this is when you have an older coach who brings
a lot of value and is a Hall of Fame coach,
like a legend, who's still unlike Bill, really into it

(28:55):
trying hard. I just don't think there are teams that could.
And they invested edately in Colton Miller and Max Crosby
and that type move you make when you're trying to
win right now, and I think they realize, well, we're
not as close. The division is really hard, and they
probably headed for like five wins. I think that Pete
Carroll or the Chip Kelly thing was weird to me.

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Is Matt Lafleur holding Jordan Love back? Love Love Love
obviously has all the skill in the world to be
an elite player, and it's obvious that he has benefited
from Lafleur's play calling. I also think that Lafleur turned
him into a good quarterback, but seems to make Love
hold back on his play calling because of his ability

(29:40):
and arm talent would transform him into an actual elite quarterback.
I think Lafleur is simply relying on his play calling
ability and is telling Love to play within the system,
which hinders his true potential. What do you think? I
think that Lafleur sh when he got Aaron Rodgers, and

(30:01):
by that second of the year he said listen, we
will if you listen to me, and run the Shanahan offense,
and we will morph your shotgun. He's very obviously Aaron's
comfortable in the shotgun, but play under center some of
those run game. Let us be a little run first.
It'll help everything out. And they kind of rogers capitulated
and they kind of met in the middle and it

(30:23):
really worked. I think at his core, it's like he
wants to run more of the Kyle offense, more of
a run heavy play action, and a huge part of
that offense is not like McVeigh more of a rebel.
I've said forever. McVeigh is like the in shape, younger
version of Andy Reid. In a perfect game for McVeigh,

(30:43):
he would throw it fifty times, like Andy Reid would
throw every play if he couldn't and win that way, right,
So would Sean McVay, So would Kevin O'Connell. Like they
like to pass. I nothing against it, Like that's just
their style. Where Kyle and his dad would like in
a perfect game for them, their quarterback would have like
twelve pass attempts and they would win like twenty four

(31:04):
to seven, and they would rush for like seven yards
of carry on forty attempts. You know, that's what. So
every coach philosophically wants, you know, Mike Zimmer wants to
blitz Vic Fangio doesn't. So everyone's a little different. And
I do believe that laflor believes in his scheme, in

(31:26):
his play calling. So I think they're in fairness, like
what is love done Beside a couple of games late
in that first year starting for him to go like
you just do whatever you want with Rogers, like you
had to buy in when he says like, listen, I'm
gonna run some plays at a shotgun, not saying that
those guys don't, but I'm just saying, like that's the
offense that he would run every single play shotgun four wide.

(31:52):
So I think it can be. It's just difficult. I
look at lafleor a's a plus, but I'm with you,
like Jordan does have the physical attributes to scramble around,
big arm make some plays. But I think he'd also say,
do I trust your decision making when you do that?
I think there'd be some he'd have a valid point.

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I'm a former Cleveland Brown fan. When the Watson deal
went down and we shipped away Baker, I just couldn't
do it anymore. Since then, I have begun to follow
the Bucks very closely and truly feel a sense of
connection to their team, and I love watching Baker Mayfield thrive.
My question is this, what precedent is there for picking

(32:35):
up and changing allegiance in sports. It's not something I
ever would have considered with my other teams, but this
situation felt different. I don't blame you at all. I've
said before that a couple of years ago, we were
getting questions from Patriot fans and I said, no, you're
not allowed to jump ship. You've had twenty years, nine
Super Bowl appearances, one six of them went to like

(32:58):
fifteen AFC champion and ship games got to watch Tom
Brady for two decades, So yeah, it's shitty and Belichick
lost his fastball and Matt patric Is calling your offensive plays.
You got to deal with it for a couple of years.
And look now it's like you got Rabel and Drake
Bay like, oh, it's fun again. But if you're a
Cleveland Browns fan, I'd say, if you're a Raider fan,
there are certain teams that like, I just can't take

(33:19):
it anymore, And I would say different than the Raiders
for you guys is the Baker thing, which looking back,
it's like, why did we have to do this? And
I don't blame anyone, like I'm not rooting for Deshaun
Watson and I'm not a moral high horse guy, like
I don't care, like I don't root or don't root
for people in sports. I mean I do in politics

(33:40):
or whatever because I disagree with them and then I
just naturally hate him. But when it comes to sports, like, listen,
I'm sure I've rooted for some guys that you know
aren't exactly high on the character list, right, but the
Watson thing and then how bad he was and how
rough it is to watch the team, Like I'm just
I'm out. And I've been saying this for a while.

(34:01):
Like Stefanski Andrew Berry, I get they're highly educated and
their degrees are way more impressive than mine and probably
many of yours, but it's like, do they have any
fucking clue what they're doing? I mean really, like it's
just it's just I feel like the Browns are a mess. Now,
maybe it's the owner, and it's not on those two
guys who everyone I know that knows those guys really

(34:21):
likes them. You know, I know a bunch of people
that work with Andrew Berry and Philly. They they rave
about the guy. I met him once a long time
ago when I was working in the league. I didn't
you know Andrew Berry at the time. Wasn't Andrew Berry.
It was just like a road pro scout. We sat
next to each other at a game he was advancing,
we were playing, each of the teams playing the following week.

(34:41):
Seemed like an impressive guy from Harvard. Obviously it has
gone on to, you know, run a team. But if
the owner's not forcing him to do some of this stuff,
you know, the Shador mess Stefanski, it's just like it's
just a it's just a zoo. It really is. Then
I saw today that Deshaun Watson is going to be
clear sometime in the next month or two, Like he

(35:03):
is going to be cleared with games remaining on the schedule.
I'll tell you this, if they ever were to put
him out there, and granted I don't think those guys would,
but they did, Like I wouldn't blame any fan for
just quitting, be like, I can't do this anymore. Now,
I don't think they will. I'm not sure what's gonna happen,
but it's just it's not fun. I mean, part of
this is like listen, part of watching sports. If you

(35:25):
have a team, you have your good times and you
got your bad times and the overall when it's all
said and done. Obviously, if you're a Laker fan or
a Patriot fan and you have a certain age like
you've had, you've had a lot of good times, but
you're also just gonna have some really bad times and
it all kind of comes in perspective, and sometimes going
through the ugly makes when you finally just turn the corner,

(35:48):
even if you just make a wild card like that
was sweet. Right when you're the Browns, It's like it
can't always be this bad. And then we had a
guy and I get the GMS kind of polarizing, who
was like, I think this guy like the next Brett Farv.
That was John Dorsey's thing. John Dorsey was around the
Packers in the nineties. It's how he knew Andy Reid's
why Andy hired him to be the GM of the Chiefs.

(36:09):
And it was like, I see Farv in this kid,
and you look in twenty twenty five like I'm not
saying like Brett Farre's a better player in Baker Mayfield,
but was he kind of right? Like, I mean, Baker
Mayfield has something kind of I don't know that it
factor kind of a special player. And now it's like
we had this guy. We had this guy. It's why

(36:30):
I defended like Minnesota. It's like someone DM me yesterday.
It's like, well, you know they let Sam Darnald and
and Daniel Jones go. I'm like, well, they picked up
Daniel Jones off waivers. That's not the same. They had
Sam Darnald and he threw thirty five touchdowns for him
and they chose not to resign him like that, That
is a legitimate conversation. I don't hold Daniel Jones again,

(36:51):
just like I don't hold Baker Mayfield with the Rams.
Obviously they got Stafford, but you know, I think these
situations just kind of get weird, and they get weird fast,
and if you're a Browns fan, it's just really it's
a rough, embarrassing stretch, it really is. And like, all
this time, you have one of the great pass rushers
of all time, Your defense now for several years has

(37:12):
been really good. It's like, what's going on and our
coach is an offensive coach. My question with the Browns
and I don't follow them, you know, besides, like Mary
Kate on Twitter, like I'm not on the Browns message
boards and stuff, and listen to local radio. Did Stefanski
turn on Baker? Was Baker? You know? Tough to handle
for Stefanski, Like, I need the real story there, like

(37:35):
what happened with that? It wasn't just like Odell's dad
posting the YouTube like see my son's open. It had
to be more complicated than that. Like what I want
is like a wicker Sham or Mary Kay one of
those people that covers the team or is just locked
into the league. I want to know what happened with
that relationship, Like why did they was the owner? I

(37:56):
don't know of Vikings fan here. The Donald conversation is
a valid one. I love winning games, and the argument
that we would be better off with Donald going forward
is true to an extent. But John did everyone forget
how he looked in the last two most important high
profile games played last season full pumpkin mode, first the

(38:18):
Lions for the one seed and versus the Rams in
the playoff game. Even though O'Connell didn't run the ball.
Nobody is talking about this choke job he pulled off
at the end of the season. We need to know
if our high first round pick can be the guy. Listen,
I've said this before. I don't blame them for doing
what they did, but we're allowed to have the conversation

(38:40):
because you had to find out if JJ was going
to be the guy. But part of the conversation isn't like, well,
Sam Donald can't win the big game? Can JJ even
get you there? Can JJ even play? Can JJ even
function as a starting quarterback? So it's like Sam's question
is hey, week eighteen two fourteen, win teams for the

(39:02):
number one seed, granted on the road? Can you win it?
And the answer is no, and he played really shitty.
Would you have been there with JJ McCarthy. Well, last
year he couldn't because fucked up his knee, and this
year he's hurt again. So it's like I understand part
of the conversation, though, I would say if JJ has

(39:23):
been the backup and been healthy all season long and
just ben Sam's back up and been there, be like, Okay,
We've seen this with other guys. Not that crazy. The
Chiefs literally did the same thing. They did not know.
But this guy had been hurt all season long and
needed a second knee surgery, and now he's hurt again.
So I I there's just a lot of variables. I'm

(39:46):
with you. It's not black and white, and it's not
as simple as some of these the way people talk
about it, and the conversation typically goes, it's not that simple.
But it's also did we overcome ok this a little bit.
A fairly strong NFL fan know a decent amount about football,
but I don't pretend to have a coach coordinator x's

(40:08):
and no's knowledge. With that being said, why the hell
on punt returns does the player not catch the ball
yet decide to stand literally one foot from it as
it's bouncing and rolling around while they're coverage, while they're
five coverage players standing right next to them. If you're

(40:29):
not gonna catch it, run away from the ball, if
it takes a funny bounce or rolls a certain way
and hit your foot, it's a fumble that you are
not gonna get to me. That's common sense. Well, I
think a lot of the fake fair catch is well,
I guess in your example like if I'm fake fair

(40:50):
catching it and then I run away and so they
get around me and the ball is like four yards
behind me and bounc into the end zone. But I'm
with you. I think sometimes I'll defend these guys on
the simple fact that standing there as a punt returner
while several guys that run four fours are be lining

(41:10):
it at you. I do think sometimes you brain fart,
and I'm with you, Like the if it touches you,
you're gonna be at a huge disadvantage. They are running
at the ball and you're usually at a stand still, right,
So I think some of these guys they also don't
know the decision till last second. They're kind of seeing
should I fair catch it? Should I not? Should I

(41:32):
let it bounce in the end zone? Think how often,
I mean, we see this every week. Guys are catching
the ball at like the five yard line, Like what
are you doing? How do you not just have like
an immediate within the ten? Let it bounce anything outside
of the ten or twelve? And I think a lot
of these coaches say we do these guys just they
don't listen or they forget, and there's a lot going

(41:53):
on think of the guys typically being the punt returner too.
It's a backup. It's not a guy playing, so it's
like his only play and he's really amped up and
then maybe he just short circuits. I don't know, but
that play, I'm with you. It just happens a lot.
I think it happens enough to know that clearly it's
really difficult. I've never caught a punt in the NFL

(42:15):
or in college. Hell. I remember when I was at
Fresdent State even a little in the NFL, when you
would just be out there screwing around with the special
teams guys. Catching a punt's really really hard, it is.
These guys make it look way easier than it is.
So I think you're so focused on the ball that
sometimes you forget the strategy that you've been coached to do.

(42:36):
Whereas like a running back, it's like, hey, these are
the points that we're emphasizing on this run. Well, once
the ball is in my hand, I'm just kind of
going forward and just kind of muscle memory. With punts,
I just think it's a little more complicated than that.

(43:03):
For the Bucks this year, the final few minutes of
games have been pretty wild, and I'm sure Bucks fans
and I'm sure for Bucks fans, it's great to know
they have a team that can perform in such great stress. However,
if they continue winning the games like they have, does
there eventually come a point where we need to start
asking questions like why is it they need to keep

(43:25):
putting together last second drives to win a game when
even against not great teams, or why haven't they been
able to really handle any of these teams they've played. Listen,
you have years the Chiefs made the Super Bowl last
year where they were in all these type games and
sometimes remember the Kirk Cousins was Kevin O'Connell's first year

(43:48):
when they won twelve or thirteen games, they were like
ten to one in these type games. Every game kind
of looked like that, and they lost in the first
round against the Giants. So, you know, I think it's
pretty big. There are a lot of indicators, you know,
determine how good you are, right, like scoring defense yards
per play. I do think one that's pretty basic is

(44:12):
like your point differential. And if we look at point differentials,
like the Eagles is sixteen, the Colts is seventy four, Right,
the Chargers is zero, the Broncos is thirty three, the
Lions is sixty two. If I go to the Bucks,
there's a three. You know, the Niners is eight. Niners

(44:33):
are pulling games out of their ass. So it's like,
are the Niners really good? Eh, They're just winning some
close games. Now there's also football, like a close game
can turn into a loss with about bad bounce with
a guy stepping out of bounds. So yeah, when you
blow people out, like you know, the Chiefs and their
heyday or the Ravens a couple of years ago, it's

(44:54):
looks better, but it doesn't guarantee you anything in the
playoffs either way. Do you think that Kyler and the
Cardinals would benefit from a divorce? Seems like the relationship
has run its course. I actually did I delete it.
I had a screenshot of a Kyler stat from the
other day that was like, I think his divisional record

(45:21):
in the NFC West is the lowest of any guy
in the history of a quarterback that got a second contract.
His winning percentage is like under thirty percent. And I
think the thing that makes Kyler so maddening it's kind
of like a version of Tua that you just keep
asking yourself, well, how do we upgrade? How do we upgrade?

(45:41):
And I think it gets back to like, you know,
you were making the playoffs a couple of years with Tua,
and it was clear when he was out the drop
off that would happen. I just think his style, whether
we like it or not, like it's very basic, right
under center in the pocket, get him quick throws, you know,
like a way lesser version of Jared Goff. Kyler's style

(46:03):
is hard to play with, right It's kind of a
run around backyard football thing. And when it's on it
looks awesome, but when it's off, it can look really
really shitty. And my overall take is like I'm kind
of out on guys that are really short, you know,
anyone that doesn't sniff six feet. Like I think it's
really really hard to play in the NFL. And Kyler

(46:25):
will go down as one of like the great athletes
of all time when he's drafted what ninth by the
A's and Billy Bean number one pick in the NFL,
Like that's just that's unheard of stuff. Now, would he
been a big league baseball player, I don't know, but
he's definitely just an all time great athlete. But is
he a good quarterback? Like relative to the NFL, is
he a good quarterback? I think if we just talk

(46:47):
to ten defensive coordinators, like every dude in the NFC West,
and then a bunch of guys that have played him
in the last couple of years, I think answers would
be all over the map. And I will actually wonder
if defensive coordinators would have more respect for him than
offensive coordinators, because defensive coordinator like, I don't know what's

(47:07):
gonna happen to play to play, So maybe that's maybe
if I talk to offensive coordinators what they and I
would imagine to be pretty negative. Defensive coordinators actually might
like him more because he's in pain. But when you
say divorced, like, what does that mean? Who do they
replace him with? This is the two a thing like
who's coming out of college that you feel good about?

(47:29):
And then what do you do with him? What's his
trade value? Who would trade a second round pick for him?
Would that be his value? Third round pick? I don't
think you're getting as much as you think. Okay, it's
like we can trade him for two third round picks.
It's like, okay, what do we do. Who plays quarterback

(47:50):
for us? Question for the Pod? Why is it Mark
Davis gets so much hate. I understand they haven't had
a lot of success since he took over, But Jen,
I think he does stuff right. From what I can tell,
He's not a medaling owner. He hires guys unlets them
do the job he wants. Sta piloty. He gave Gruden
ten years and the NFL didn't go after him. Who

(48:12):
knows where they'd be. His biggest mistake was hiring McDaniels,
who let car go, and now we're in quarterback hell.
I'd argue not even interviewing Jim Harbaugh and just hiring
Pierce was bad too, But I don't think he would
have taken it anyway. What's your take. I just think
anytime that you shepherd a team that just consistently sucks

(48:34):
and you're the owner, like you're the only consistent thing.
Pete Carroll, John Gruden, Jack del Rio, Derek carr Gino
Smith Khalil Mack. You know it's just different, Max Crosby.
It's just since Mark Davis has on the team, they
have been really, really bad and very dysfunctional. I do
agree he tries and I also agree he aggressively tries

(48:59):
financially gave Gruden at the time was unprecedented one hundred
million dollars ten year contract. Like that was he had
to do what he had to do to get him
to sign up. You know, John Gruden's like, I really
wanted to be the Raiders coach? Did you really want
to be the Raider coach? Or did he give you
one hundred million dollars? Because if you really wanted, you
would have gladly done it five years, fifty million, right,

(49:20):
But you kind of used the bucks you played him,
which was his business one on one leverage, but like
you really want to do it because he gave you
a hundred million dollars. But you know, then he actively
went after Tom Brady and tried to get him involved.
So I'm in agreement that, you know, Mark has not
been cheap like some of these other owners, even though

(49:40):
up until Vegas lacked the funds that a lot of
guys had. But I do think he is just the
only thing that's consistently around since you know, twenty eleven, twelve,
and the outcomes tend to be the same. So it's
is it like, is he directly at fault, of course,

(50:02):
not right. Josh McDaniels chose to trade for DeVante Adams
and bench Dave Derek Carr and you know, did he
hire Antonio Pierce. I'll defend him on that. It's like
Max Crosby and DeVante Adams basically said, like, you gotta
do it or we want out, Like I probably would
have done it too. I don't think that one was

(50:23):
as crazy. Obviously Gruden he didn't control any of that.
The league didn't. Gruden's gonna sue them for a lot
of money and looks like he's gonna win. And to
me going after Brady, like, I give you credit on
that one, like he had to give up part of,
you know, his percentage to let Brady buy in to
try to make the Raiders better. But I don't know.

(50:46):
I mean, when you just lose all the time, who's
supposed to blame? Like Pete Carroll's a winner. Pete Carroll's
a winner, and it's like, looks like he's going to
win like four games this year. I was listening to
Herd on Tuesday and it was completely flabbergasted by Collins
take on the Chiefs Jags game disclaimer. I'm not a

(51:08):
fan of either team, but in my opinion, he basically
gave the Chiefs credit for losing and discredited the Jags
on what I thought was a tough statement victory. He
gave Mahomes the excuse that he just didn't see Devin
Lloyd on the pick six and saying that the level
of good play from the Jags just isn't sustainable and
that the Chiefs are coming. I've been listening to Collins

(51:30):
for a long time now, and I have to say
this was one of the more wild ones I've heard
from I didn't hear that one. I'll say this, I
don't think the Jags are gonna sustain this. If Trevor
Lawrence is gonna be this hit or miss, if he
plays like he played, I think they lose most of
those games. So and part of the I don't want

(51:51):
to say luck, but I mean that play at the
end of the game was kind of freaky lucky. I'm
bullish on the Chiefs as well, well, though, like they're
a nine to ten win team this year. Probably listen,
every once in a while you get a ten and
seven year, But I don't think the Jags are smoking
mirrors in the sense that their defense is really good,

(52:14):
and I agree Patrick Mahomes got greedy on the pass
like it was a bad pass. You can't throw a
red zone You can't throw a pick where the guy's
standing in the end zone. That's embarrassing for any player,
let alone an all time great player. He'd be the
first to tell you that it cannot happen. You cannot
turn the ball over right there. You can't throw a
pick six. I mean a pick six are his devastating,
especially a red zone pick six, which is a ten

(52:37):
plus point swing. I do believe the Chiefs look pretty good,
though defensively some question marks, but offensively they're gonna play
like this. They're gonna win a lot of games. The
Jags are clearly better, there's no disputing that. But I
just don't trust Trevor Lawrence, so I don't know all
what he said, but I would agree that Jags is sustainable.

(53:03):
I mean, when their quarterback he misses a lot of plays. Man,
he really does part of this business. Though, you gotta
throw some curveballs. You can't just come on and be
like Jags are winning the super Bowl. This seems like
another year where the Bills team is simply not good enough.

(53:23):
Alan is undeniable, and unlike Lamar, he actually plays really
well in the postseason. But year after year I feel
like he has the inferior roster and it cost them
every time against the Chiefs. Do you think the Bills
roster has been an issue or am I wrong? They've
been injured too. I mean last year the roster they
were rulling in the playoffs was pretty banged up. You know,

(53:45):
I think offensively they're probably they're stronger as like the
sum of their parts than they are as an individual basis.
You know, like no one would compare Khalil Shakir to
you know, Jamar Chase or DeVante Adams or Pooka Nakua
or some of these guys. But he's really good for them,
and Cook's really good. Dawkins's stud tight ends are good,

(54:05):
and then they kind of mismatch it with the the
rest of the wide receivers. But to me, it always
comes down like is their defense good enough in pass rush?
They got some players up front when it Oliver comes back,
their defensive line is good, but their back seven can
just be hit or missed in some of these games.
So a lot of his health I think they should
be heavily involved in like a defensive playmaker. If they

(54:27):
can add, whether it's another defensive lineman, whether it's a
linebacker or dB, they should be all over defense. What
does a team like Wisconsin do? They hired Fickle that
seemed like a home run, and he got the Cincinnati
team to the Final four, and now he can't even
win four games. Is it just not enough money or

(54:50):
is it coaching? I'd be lying if I watched a
lot of Wisconsin at this point. I mean, they really stink.
We were talking about this. We have a little show
meeting on Wednesday mornings just to kind of go over
some logistics of different stuff for the podcast, and we
were talking about Michigan State because they play UCLA this week,

(55:14):
and like, there are only so many players to go around.
So as your conference booms, right, Ohio State's always going
to be good. But then we ebb and flow with
some of the other programs. There have been years like
when Cousins was there, that Michigan State had an incredible
run for like four or five years. Was they went
to the Rose Bowl. I think one year they were
really really good. You know, Iowa's had years they've been

(55:36):
to the Rose Bowl. Well, now you add Oregon, you
had Washington and USC that you're all kind of recruiting
the same players and the world is so flatten out.
Well the top guys, the SEC, the ACC, the Big twelve,
that not all these teams can be good. So like
when Nebraska was unreal in the nineties, Like Oregon wasn't

(55:57):
that great? You know, USC wasn't that good. Utah was
irrelevant for them, right, they were like a Mountain West school,
a Whax school. So I just think things Ebb and Flow.
I can't speak to financially where they're at, but clearly

(56:18):
they want to be good at football. It's a lot
like Nebraska. I just wonder if in twenty twenty five
it's not possible to be like what you once were.
So can they be better? For sure? I thought Luke
Fickle was pretty good as well as Cincinnati. Sometimes, though
you have built in advantages pre nil at schools like Cincinnati.

(56:40):
I would say that maybe I'm just reacting to the
Twitter picture, but like, why not hire Mike McCarthy. He
was at the game earlier this year with the ad
like can you do better than that? See if he
can infuse some life. He's clearly a really good offensive coach.
I think if you or a quarterback, why would you

(57:01):
not want to go play for Mike McCarthy Unlike Belichick?
You know, I see him on McAfee. He seems like
a happy guy, seems like a positive guy, seems like
he's got a lot of good perspective. He's made a
ton of money, so it's not like he gotta pay
him ten million dollars a year. You play him like
five or six, probably seven? Who knows? Feels like he
knows a bunch of people could hire some coaches. To me,
that makes a lot of sense. Like who else you

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can hire? Because, like you said, Fickle made a bunch sense.
Midwest guy played at Ohio State, didn't resurrect Cincinnati was
good before he got there, but kick dass Cincinnati a
lot of times. That's the path, right, Like how did
you find how did Washington find Chris Peterson dominated at
Boise State? How did Florida find Urban Meyer dominated at Utah?

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You know? Usually I mean that's how you hit home runs?
Where did LSU find Nick Saban? Well he's at Michigan State.
Sometimes it doesn't work. How would you feel about college

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football adding a transfer fee to compensate the smaller schools,
any school to help them recover faster with new talent. Well,
if I'm the big schools and I run the sport,
why would I ever sign up to pay smaller schools
to get their talent? Why do I care about them?
And the answer is I don't, And that sounds terrible.

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And listen, I'm a friend of State guy. But if
I'm Oregon, why do I care? Frison State's mad that
I took their player? Why do I care? If they
are losing out on revenue because their team sucks, that's
their problem. So I think the problem is the revenue
generating teams that run the sport, the power for teams.
And really it's like twenty teams in college football, right,

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you just go west to east. You know, Oregon, USC,
Ohio State, Texas now Texas, A and m Bama, Georgia, LSU, Michigan,
Florida State, Miami in Theory, Clemson. You know, it's a
group of like twelve thirteen schools. They don't give a

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shit about the smaller schools. So if I'm Texas and
I can get action genty from Boise State. Why do
I need to compensate them? We're not in the same Like,
this is the problem with college football. We're not like
all under one umbrella. So if I'm in the Big
Ten or the SEC, why do I care about the

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Mountain West. If I'm Oregon and I take Washington State's
best player, like, that's Washington State and the PAC twelve
Mountain West problem, not mine. So I think that's what
makes that situation difficult. Wondering your thoughts on Sanchez and
potential impacts of c t E. I got a hard

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time with that one. I don't know enough about, Like,
you know how many times he was hit? How many
concussions the guy had? I looked once I saw this question.
You know, he was sacked a fair amount of times
in his career. The thing that just doesn't that up
with Sanchez. It's like, why I'm interested to see the

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toxic toxicology report. It's like, even if you get blacked
out drunk, and I'm not proud to say it, I've
had a few of mine times of way too many. Actually,
if you're not a violent, crazy person, like you're not
gonna find yourself in that situation. What I can't get over.

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Is if you're downtown having some seatails, hanging out with
the Fox crew, and you get a cab ren uber
ride back to the hotel, the Weston Hotel or the
Marriott wherever' standing I've stayed in them all, you get
dropped out in front of the lobby. So usually the
loading dock is on the side, so for him to
make it over for the loading dock from the lobby,

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unless he was leaving a hotel, it just it's why
I think he's got to be on drugs or it's
gonna come out like he's had crazy situations before that
we just haven't heard about. I have a hard time
believing this is just a one off situation it was
just because alcohol CTE. Like, then why wouldn't I'm sure
he's had other instances where he's out drinking, and why

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wouldn't he have had instances before. It's hard for me
to get a guy that's never had an issue is
an entire life at least that we know about, Like
he's never been arrested or whatever, and all of a
sudden he gets into a knife fight with a guy
and just attacks a seven year old. It's one of
the more bizarre stories of all time. And it's almost

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for his sake, it'd be better if it's like, yeah,
CT lost his mind, didn't feel that way. It's why
I think the best case scenario for him is, like,
you know, someone drugged him and he wasn't even in
the right state. If it was like he was just
drunk and he attacked this old guy, like I feel
a little sympathy for anything that happens to Like if

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this old guy and his lawyers come after every single
penny that Mark's ever made and makes Mark's children beg
for that guy to give him money, you know, it's
just like that. It's just a it's one of the
crazier stories. Did I ever remember? No, I'm like on
the field type story that involves the NFL because he's

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obviously in Indianapolis to call this game. But it almost
feels too crazy, like there's something missing, but so far
there hasn't been. It's just that he just attacked this
guy because he thought he shouldn't park there, and he
asked the hotel managers, like, what the fuck are you
talking about? Was this guy? Did he? Did he get roofied?
I thought I've never been roofied. But I thought, doesn't

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that make you go to sleep? Did he do some
bad drugs? Not a drug guy? So but even if
you're doing like cocaine, are you just attacking a random
driver in the dock? I don't know. It's just it's
a bizarre, crazy story, and I hate just ah could
be ct I don't know. I have a hard time
with that one. So all of a sudden, his brain

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stopped working and he's attacked this guy. But he's but
he's never done this before in his entire life. No signs.
Who knows. Maybe there have been signs, so maybe, who knows.
Maybe I'm wrong. I don't even think I'm right or wrong.
I don't even have an opinion. I have no clue.
I think the whole situation is just beyond sad. I

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mean that visual of the dude, which which looks like
he got if were they battling with the knife was
like a box cutter cut his mouth went in, you know,
the knife went through his cheek. He goes Sue for
a lot of cash. I mean, Fox is gonna have
to pay a lot of money for this too, that
they're they're involved, because Mark's Aaron has dime. Uh last question.

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I'm sure you get a hundred of these dms. Impossible
to remember them all, but I hope you played MATERR
Heisman forty five to one and Baker MVP forty to
one back in the summer. I remember shooting you a
mailbag question and your thoughts to me, Matier, I have
a hard time seeing him win the Heisman if he
misses like a month. I could be wrong. I don't

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remember many Heisman Trophy winners missing a lot of time,
so I know there were some rumors that he's going
to try to play this week. But if you can't
play this week, let's say he's out another game after this,
which is very possibly had surgery on his hand. Now,
if he comes back this week and technically only misses
one game, lights him up and they keep winning one.

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Baker to me, I only saw it twenty five to
one preseason, so maybe it was forty to one way
back in the spring. I'd never do a future bet
bat early, so I even I wouldn't have touched it,
but I would say that if you did pick those,
I'd feel better about Baker than John Mattire. But who
are your other Heisman Trophy. Who's even in the X

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right now? More Slay Ty Simpson not not like it's
not exactly Cam Newton and Johnny Manziel right now. Appreciate
all the dms. Keep sliding in at John Middlecock firing
those dams, and I will talk soon. Peace the volume

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