Colin gives his thoughts on the Dodgers going up 2-0 in the NLCS and why they are the best ran team in baseball. The Bears are 3-2 but Caleb Williams is still struggling with his accuracy. Colin gives his list of new teams that are in his Super Bowl bubble.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, it is a Wednesday, but not any typical Wednesday.
We are loaded Penn State trying to steal Notre Dames
football coach. The Bears are upset because they're not being
fonned over by a national announcer. And the Dodgers remain
the best run organization in North America. I don't care
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what league, I don't care if it's college. There is
no organization from research and development, drafting, scouting. The Dodgers
are unbelievable. It's an impeccable organization that's gotten to the
playoffs for twelve out of thirteen years. J Mack, you
looked at Milwaukee all year and they swept the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Right, they beat him six times, and so.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I thought, Oh, the Dodgers' bullpen all liability. Yeah, this
is a mismatchy Let's talk. Let's talk about it. Yoshi
last night, Yamamado, unbelievable. You know, the Brewers are in
trouble when they throw their ace Freddie Peralta, who was
virtually unbeatable at home, untouchable at home. They also get
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a leadoff home run in the first inning, bought them
in the first and they get blown out. And this
thing should have been worse. The Dodgers were two for
eleven with runners in scoring position. They stranded ten batters.
How many times do they load the bases? It's all
about pitching, Yoshi, Yamamado, Blake Snell in Game one, and
by the way, Otawi and Glass now are coming up.
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We worried about the Dodgers' bullpen against the Phillies. It
would be their undoing. Okay, the Brewers, it'll be their undoing.
We knew Cincinnati was overmatched. It's not Otani's not even
playing well. Otani's swinging at terrible pitches. So Milwaukee feels
out classed and the Dodgers have so many bats. I
know you all want to say it's about money. Steve Cohen,
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isn't he like the richest the Mets owner of the
richest guy in baseball. The Yankees have plenty of money,
they don't spend it wisely. The Dodgers do a great job.
I mean, their menu is so deep, doesn't matter if
the milk make milkshake machine in back is broken. They
got somebody else stepping up. So o Tani can't hit
in the series. My here's tey Oscar Hernandez or Max Munsey.
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And I think the Dodgers were very wobbly this year.
They blew all those games, bleue twenty six save opportunities.
But it's like the Chiefs dynasty, It's like the Brady
Belichick dynasty, It's like the Warriors dynasty. It is hard
to stay self motivated. Baseball is so long. It is
hard from day one to spring training to now to
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stay motivated. And you know you're the best team and
the deepest team, and so the Dodgers treat the regular
season like a lot of us treated college. You know,
it's you do the bare minimum for most of the
school year, and then on the finals it's an all nighter.
And the Dodgers now are buttoned up outside of Otani,
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who is just in an all times slump right now.
Two for his last twenty five started the Philly Series,
and Otani is swinging at bad pitches like he is
out of sorts. Otani has lost. He'll pick it up
in the mountain when they go back to Los Angeles.
But the bullpen liability, it doesn't matter. I mean, Blake
Snell was so dominant in Game one, it was Cofax
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level dominance that Yoshi last night was really really good,
but it didn't really compare. It's just the starting pitching
is just covering up all the warps, the Otani slump,
the runners in scoring position, left on base, And here
is Dave Roberts afterwards.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
If you look at the construction of our roster currently,
you know the strength is starting pitching. And you know,
when you can have your most talented pitchers get the
most outs, then you're in a good spot. And right now,
you know all four of those guys are in a
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really good headspace physically, their sound, and you know you
feel good about those guys starting a game and pushing
them in there prepared for this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It is interesting, though, is that Dave Roberts regular on
the show, he pulled Blake Snell, who was even more dominant,
and then last night with Yamamato, who was dominant but
not quite as dominant. He just let him go, And
I think it's kind of fascinating. I would have argued,
you let Snell go because he was so dominant, and
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it was the first game of a series, and I
wouldn't trust my bullpen if I could steal one in Milwaukee.
But once I had the win in Milwaukee and I
had a bigger, a four run lead, you could have
argued you could go to the bullpen. Last night, you
got a series lead, you had a four run cushion.
So I understood if he pulled Yoshi last night, he
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didn't complete game. But the Snell was so dominant in
Game one. Just get that in the books. Don't worry
about tomorrow. Get the win first game of a series.
But you know, Dave Roberts has said, these are fifty
to fifty decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You can go either way.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
But the Dodgers starting pitching is covering up all these
runners left on runners in scoring position, can't drive him home.
O Tawni is completely lost. The starting pitching is that good.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So you know, when I.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Got into this business as a kid, and I'm talking
about when I was like seven, eight nine, ten years old.
The sportscasters that I was always attracted to as a
kid were the ones that were, like, honest, I'm not
even an eight nine ten years old. If my team
played bad, it was okay for the local sports and
now sir to say my team played bad. So I
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almost always defend people in my business that are critical
of teams even if they win, because a lot of
you know, a lot of local you know there there
there's some palm palm waving and everything. Sonny and Rosy
So Troy Aigman apparently did not did not hand out
flowers after the Bears and Caleb Williams just beat Washington.
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So here's what Ben Johnson said about a former Fox
broadcasters comments.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
It's sounded like from that game the other night, a
few people weren't particularly pleased with how we're winning right now.
So that's the I woke up this morning, and you know,
my kids were watching the second half before school, and
so I heard some of the commentary. But listen, in
this league, anyway you can find a way to win
is a big deal.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Of course it is.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
But the Bears are three and two, and they're a
blocked kick and a fumble from being one and four.
And Haleb Williams, who you know I loved out of college,
is a work in progress.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Right now. He remains dead.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Last in the NFL an expected completion percentage, what is that?
That's when the game's over people look at tape. Translation,
he should be completing seventy two percent of his throws.
He's at sixty one and a half. Their leady leaving
a lot of completions on the floor. So coming out
of college, the concerns on Caleb Williams were consistent accuracy
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still a problem in the NFL, and could he play
with instructure. Now he's getting better at that, but he's
still last in the NFL getting the ball out of
his hands. He holds the ball too long, and he's
not consistently accurate. So year two in the NFL with
a great offensive young coach, still problems. Remember that video
that came out in camp when Caleb Williams you all
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told me to downplay it. Immedia is going overboard When
he had that moment, he's thrown into a net and
he got so upset at himself because he badly missed
a throw from eight feet away.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's a real thing.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
This was the concern out of college, he's still missing
too many throws. This is not subjective, it's objective. It's
happening in front of you. All the data tells you this.
So if an announcer is willing to say unpopular things,
I'm here for it. So, you know, it's just very
interesting to me that a team that's three and two,
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and for the record, you were watching it, Washington is
driving for the win in the cover and they fumbled
it bad handoff. So and even on the Bears winning
drive on Monday, Caleb had one completion. It was DeAndre
Swift's game. We talked about this on Tuesday morning. It
was about DeAndre Swift and the offensive line creating massive holes.
So if you watch Jalen, Jayden Daniels, and Caleb Williams
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play on Monday, Jayden was the more accurate quarterback. He's
operationally accuracy at this point. He's a little more refined.
You kind of know what you're getting with Jay Daniels
if he's healthy. You don't quite know what you're getting
with Caleb Williams. Yes, I agree, you're three and two. Celebrated.
I said it on Tuesday after the win I'm like,
it's the Bears. They won on the road, they won
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a close game. You can see the coaching. There's a
touchdown difference Caleb last year Caleb this year. Eighteen to
twenty five points a game. But this idea that everybody's
supposed to fall in line. Caleb is still struggling with accuracy.
He is missing guys within twelve yards, He's holding the
ball too long. And these were the concerns out of college,
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consistent accuracy, playing within structure. Now, I do think the
structure element he's getting better at. I do think he
could run more often than he's running. So I think
Caleb deserves credit for that. When you're as gifted as him,
it's very easy to take off. Lamar Jackson had to
get hit a few times. By year four, Lamar didn't
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run as much Caleb or and Caleb could for a
lot of yards. Caleb is doing a better job to
plan structure. I will defend him all day on that.
But the accuracy thing, they're leaving some completions out there.
They're there a lot little swing passes. So here's been
on Ben Johnson about what he told Caleb on training
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camp and how he was going to coach him this year.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Standard has been set, the bar has been set high.
He has said that he wants to be not just
one of the best top five quarterbacks in this league,
but he wants to have a legacy that lasts for
a long time. And so we're coaching him that way.
We're approaching it that way. That's not going to change.
Is he going to be a finished product here year two?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, he's not a finished product.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And that's why a national broadcaster should say, nice win,
but there's a lot of work here. Like I know,
when I feel an announcer is being overly negative, I've
heard that before. But my taking all these national broadcasters,
they'd rather be optimistic and they'd rather be positive. I
think it's refreshing when any of them can go that's
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not good enough. Yet they won, but they're leaving a
lot on the floor, a lot on the table. I
appreciate that. I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I don't. I don't need you.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
To blow smoke. I'm not looking for rainbows and pots
of gold. Just give me honesty, right, Like I'm a
grown up. I remember again, when I was a kid,
when I was eight, nine, ten years old, I liked
Howard Cosell. I like the local sportscasters that I thought
were telling me the truth, not blowing smoke, which I
didn't even know blowing smoke meant. Then maybe my sister
smoking behind the house. So just just be honest. I'm
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good with it. I don't need rainbows. J Mac James Franklin,
Penn State coach out. Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame coach.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Is being is being wooed.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Oh Nitney Lion, no shot whatsoever as a downgrade from
Notre Dame to Penn State. No disrespect to the folks
in Happy Valley, but come on, that's a Marcus stream
is not doing. His next stop will be the NFL calling.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Well, there's nothing like a little distraction during USC one.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Yes, oh I like that.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So there are you know, it's one of the things
that's cool about October. It's my favorite month by far.
The weather turns, it's nice and cool, you can wear
the jackets. But the other thing now is in these
baseball series, it is it is the time unless you're
a diehard, a seam head, it is the time where
us casuals who don't break down the games during the
regular season that you really dive deep. I said this
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on Monday, I had I had the baseball game on
the big screen, and I'm watching on you know, I'm
watching on the smaller screens. I'm watching football. Is one
of the things that is remarkable about the Dodgers. It's
really remarkable is anytime there's a dynasty, and right now
the Dodgers. Look. I mean, good luck to the Mariners,
but the Mariners are a little bit like the Brewers.
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They're really solid, don't have a lot of holes, but
don't have a ton of star power. When Freddy Peralta
goes last night and the Dodgers are getting runners on
the base, Milwaukee's doing everything they can. They're out classed.
Their manager knows it. But there's something about the Dodgers
that people do not talk about, and I want to
talk about that next.
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Speaker 3 (13:57):
Pro teams, right.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And so I was like a Cincinnati Red in the
Kansas City Royal and a Pittsburgh Pirate and a Philadelphia
Philly fan. And my first sports memory is going to
watch Reggie Jackson the Yankee bus pull up at the
King Dome. That's one of my first big sports memories.
I projected most of my love for sports because the
Pacific Northwest, Seattle didn't have pro teams until like seventy six,
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seventy seven, didn't have the Mariners until then, didn't have
the Seahawks until then. I was more of a college fan,
and so like I've always looked at the whole menu
of sports in this country.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I don't really think I'm a fan of a particular region.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
People called me a Patriots Homer when I used to
work at the other place because I lived in Connecticut.
But the minute the Patriots were bad, I stopped talking
about him. I think I was more of a Brady fan.
So I like greatness, I like efficiency, I like well
run businesses. So having lived in southern California, I think
the Dodgers. I bang on the Lakers all the time.
I don't think the Lakers have been well run. I
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don't think the Lakers have been well run. I don't
always think USC has been well run. I think the
Rams are well run, and I think the Dodgers are
the best run team I've ever seen. Yes, money matters,
but Otawi last year didn't pitch as the Dodgers won
the World Series and didn't have a very good postseason.
This year we can't hit at all. So they have
not been winning in the postseason because of Otani. He's
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been a great regular season player. But I mean, I
don't like Listen, the Browns and the Jets are playing
in Week ten, All pass you knock yourself out. I'm
not watching. So it's not about money. It's payroll creativity,
it's scouting, it's getting the right money on the right, people.
Yankees have a ton of money. They're over indexed on
home runs. Mets have a ton of money. They're the Mets,
so they'll give you an example. Tommy edmund was in
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Saint Louis. The Cardinals had him. He was a good
defensive player who hit about two sixty five. The Dodgers
bring him in, pay him a little more. Last year
is the NLCSMVP and he's hitting three eighteen in the playoffs.
Tommy Edmunds was available for everybody. Anybody could have had
Tommy edmund Toronto and Seattle both had tay Oscar Hernandez.
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Seattle let him go after a year. He's a monster
for the Dodger. Is anybody more consistent? Big games? Freddy
Freeman and Taoscar Hernandez, They're great, and he decided last year,
I'll stay with the Dodgers and take less money. Max
Munsey was so bad with the A's, who are essentially
a Triple A baseball team. He was with him two years.
The A's let him go. The A's let Max Munty go.
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Last night he had another home run. So, like Max Munsey,
Tommy Edmund, Taskar Hernandez, the whole sport could have him.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Well, oh, Tawni. I'm not saying money doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
But Otawi has not been the reason they're winning last
year's World Series and they'll their favor to win this year's.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
He not the reason. He can't hit.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
He is lost at the plate right now. I mean
he is swinging a bad stuff and baseball does this
like golf, a lot of downtime stuff gets into your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They have bid people for Freddie Freeman Hall of Famer, absolutely,
but they were ahead of everybody on Roki, Sazaki and
Yamamoto looking at those guys for years before they brought
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him over. I said on the air multiple times, I
think three years before o Taani, he was with the
Angels three years earlier, and the Dodgers were moving the
chess pieces and making the contacts to get him legally.
So it's not just about the money. The Mets have it.
The Astros have it. Astros are a really well run organization.
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They just had a ton of injuries this year. But
when I watched the Dodgers, I appreciate there's all these
guys on this roster. Like the Yankees have money, they're
totally uneven. They don't run the bases particularly well. They
strike out too much, over indexed on home runs. Now
they had a Garrett Cole injury and that set them back.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Clearly.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
If Max Freed and Garrett Cole are going into a series,
it can beat anybody. But when you watch the Dodgers
and the Yankees play last year when Cole wasn't pitching,
Yankees looked like an American League Central team. They look
like a mid payroll team. They don't spend their money
wisely enough. The Dodgeman's go. Max Munsey was let go.
He was awful with the A's. The Dodgers found something
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and it works. So it's it's it's easy, it's funny.
Yankee fans loved it when they would dominate the Hot
Stove League, when they would just nobody else could afford
CEC's about you. Remember Initially CC was like, I don't
know if I want to go pitch there, and they're
just like, all right, we're gonna we're gonna overpay or
pay above.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
The market, right like.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And now CC is is a great old time Yankee
and he loved being a Yankee.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But it's not just about that.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
They do so many things well, I mean they had
a major bullpen issue this year. Major typical Dodgers. They
figure it out once they get to September.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
In October. J Mack with the news. No, no, turn
on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
All right, Colin, let's start with Thursday night football, Bengals Steelers.
They're calling it the Icy Hot Bowl. Yes, that's a thing.
Two quarterbacks over forty years old, a couple of fossils
back there in the pocket who can't move around. We
heard Mike Tomlin take a couple jet as at the
trade of Flacco. Well, now, Joe Flacco has responded saying,
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like Tomlin, he's just doing gamesmanship out there.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, I appreciate old guys, and you know what I like.
I mean, Aaron Rodgers and Flacco have very different personalities.
Both work, but Flacco loves life.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Flacco is just so appreciative and grateful for the opportunity
to still play. And there is value when you can
bring a guy in. Josh Dobbs had this that they're
so smart, Flacco and Josh dock you could bring him in.
Here's two practices and they've got it figured out, which
is really a skill. In this league, there's a lot
of guys that can't see the field, a lot of
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guys that takes ramping and ramping and ramping. I root
for Flacco. And for the record, Joe Flacco has earned
every penny he's made in this league. You know what meant,
he's been around. That's a lot of practices, that's a
lot of getting banged on, and he's incredibly joyful guy.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I just like Joe Flacco.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
I know a lot of people didn't watch Packers Bengals.
It was ugly early, right ten nothing at the half.
Bengals had like twenty yards at one point in the
first half of Packers had like two forty colin adjustments.
At halftime, Flacco looked good, said I'm just gonna get
the ball to Chasin Higgins. They covered the spread, they
had a chance to get the ball back down. I
think it was six late in the game, or maybe eight.
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But I'm just I like Flacco and the Bengals here
on Thursday night to cover five and a half. It's
not just Steelers hating. I think this game is a
lot more interesting than people think it's gonna be. All right,
all right, let's move on Colin to Bijon Robinson emerging
is probably the best running back in the NFL. I
think he's surpassed McCaffrey, James Cook. I mean, what a
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year he's having. Monday Night, he was incredible. He's on
track to break the NFL record for yards from scrimmage. Colin,
we we got the numbers year. Obviously, Marshall Falk has
had one of the great seasons ever. You see Chris Johnson,
Christian McAffrey vjon Is on face for twenty seven hundred
and ninety five yards, which had topped this list by
over two hundred.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I remember a couple of years ago, nobody's paying running backs.
Running Backs are disappearing. Now most of your first round
running backs really become stars. Sakuon Barkley, Zeke, Bjean Robbinson,
who didn't have a very good first year with I
think it was Arthur Smith. They just they didn't use
him a lot. I remember when he got drafted. I've
said this on the air multiple times. I had a
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general manager tell me he reminded him of Ladanian Tomlinson,
not stylistically but character quality guy. He said, Jean is
the safest player in this draft. He said, nobody will
pick him number one. He is the safest player in
this draft. He goes, catch it, block, run, character, doesn't fumble.
Great locker room guy. He is just a this idea
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that running backs were going to dry up. Running Backs
have huge value in one of the things we talk
about all the time in this league. A real skill
is having a lead, eating the clock up and not
giving it back to a Mahomes or a Baker Mayfield
or right. So, how do you beat Tampa? Because Baker's
great if he gets the last drive, the way to
beat Tampa because you'll stay close to Tampa if you're Atlanta.
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He's giving Vjon Robbinson the ball six times on that
final drive and Baker sits on the bench and never
gets the ball back. So when it's a big quarterback league,
the value in the running back is great. Quarterbacks usually
have a lead with eight minutes to seven minutes to
go on a football game. That's why they're great quarterbacks.
How do you close it out? You don't lean on
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the quarterback, You lean on the star running back. So
bijon really good teams. I mean, Josh Allen's numbers got better,
his efficiency got better when he got James Cook. He
didn't have to be Superman to close out games.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Yeah, I will just say Colin, you remember I bet
on the Falcons against the Panthers. Where was b Jon
Robinson against the Carolina Panthers. He vanishes too much sometimes
in these outdoor games. This week Atlanta, they're at San
Francisco game. I know San Franz beat up. I mean,
no Warner. They should attack the linebackers and coverage should
be a big game for Bijon, But I need him
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to be a little more consistent. Colonies. I don't want
to say to boom or bust, but you know he
has his eighty one yard play and then it's just
a lot of he didn't do much otherwise. So I
need consistency from Bijon. You like the Falcons this league
or no?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Uh no, I don't. I like the Niners, Oh I do.
I think there's gonna be some points in this I
think it's I think it's a high scoring game. I
like the Niners in a high scoring game.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
To beat Atlanta. You get Atlanta Dome team out.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
West, and then you get San Francisco who now no Warner,
no Bosa, Sola can only play, you know so much
smoking mirrors. I think this is going to be one
of those games we talk about. It's wildly entertaining. Remember
when Pittsburgh and the Jets played early in the year
at the one o'clock win, Like, what a wild game.
I think it's it's got a chance to be one
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of those, like thirty twenty seven games back in for
Seattle Tampa was that.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
But you have two great quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
My problem with Atlanta. Remember the last time they beat
the Vikings on Sunday Night football. I was like, twenty
two six dominant Vike. Here we go, Falcons, We're good.
The next week they get smashed by Carolina, like out
of some of these young teams. Don't know how to
handle success. Final story Dallas Cowboys, Colin and you know
this George Pickens guy, he's playing pretty damn good. Jerry
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Jones very excited about how he's filled the void when
Ceedee Lamb went down. Here's Jerry talking about how George
Pickens has been an inspiration to the Cowboys.
Speaker 10 (24:32):
I won't speak for the players, but he is a
great teammate in my mind. And of course when we
got him, there was some issue with well there might
be something with the way he is personality. I can't
tell you how Brad ariam personally for George because he
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is absolutely as exciting as he's been on the field
for us. He's been that kind of team mate and
he's in inspirational.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
He's been great.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
He was a little bit of a I would say,
highly emotional young player in Pittsburgh, a little bit of drama.
He's been a great cowboy and you got to get
played third round pick for this guy. I thought he
was a one and donner because of you know, but
he's had emotional restraint, He's gotten better. It feels like
every couple of weeks Dak clearly likes him. Now, the
question is when Ceedee Lamb comes back, He's not going
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to get all the attention.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
He's not going to get all the.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Glow because Ceed's a better CD creates separation that Pickens doesn't.
Pickens just has a big catching radius. So when CD
comes back and George Pickens doesn't get the looks, that's
what we'll see, the maturity and how he handles it.
Because Ced is a true classic, dominant top six receiver
in the league. You gotta target him twelve times a
game you have to I.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Will add that that's all accurate.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Remember in a contract here at Fox, you pulled me aside.
You're like Jay Max.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Tighten it up.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
No more idiotic behavior, no more hot takes, settle down.
This is a contract here for Pickens. He's out there
trying to get a huge money offer to be number
one somewhere. He's going to fall in line, and yes,
the inspiration J.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Mcklow, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So Joel Klatt a lot of college football talk for
ten fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Top of next hour.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I saw this story they were talking about in this
story about how James Franklin had a forty five million
dollar buyout at Penn State. And then I saw another
story where Penn State is reportedly going to pursue Notre
Dame's Marcus Freeman. Freeman's a great coach. That's the smart move,
Kurt Signetti. I don't know, Freeman, feels like you got
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twenty years. But here's what's funny about it.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Just spend the money double Marcus Freeman's contract, because if
I was Penn State, I would pay fifteen million dollars
a year to get Marcus Freeman. Penn State football last
year made two hundred and forty million. Is the coach
worth fifteen million dollars? Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely Notre Dame
step up and pay it. I remember when the Nia
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Well a few years ago, nil Transfer Portal. It's going
to ruin the sport, and I said, if you want
to compete, you'll have to spend money. All you schools
have money. Penn State right now is doing a seven
hundred million dollar Beaver Stadium upgrade. They paid forty five
million dollars to get rid of James Franklin, and they
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would pay one hundred million dollars to get Marcus Freeman.
It's just like in life, folks, Wall Street, Silicon Valley,
and the oligarchs. They'll spend four trillion dollars on AI
development over the next decade, But yet our healthcare system
often doesn't take care of the very poorest, sickest, and
weakest countries. Universities, institutions, governments always have the money. They
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always have the money. I grew up in Seattle. Seattle
is a top ten GDP city in the country. Starbucks,
big Money, Microsoft uski's football program nil average average, not
as good as Texas Tech, which I'm not even sure
that area has a Panera bread. Honestly, Seattle has decided
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we're we're a We're an NFL city and a Mariner city,
and we like soccer and Husky football.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
They're they're, they're it's it's they're.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Given some money. Oregon gives a lot more. In little
tiny Eugene, Phil Knights totally committed. So when I see
this story about Marcus Freeman and Penn State, it's a
real story by real reporters. And if I'm Notre Dame today,
I call Marcus Freeman's agent. I don't talk to Marcus.
Marcus is preparing for USC. I just pay whatever I
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gotta pay, if I have to rip his contract up
and give him a new contract. That dude's got the look,
the vibe, the recruiting, that touch the field, the toughness.
That is what a college football coach is. And and
and Penn State should go after him. I mean, Penn
State took Ohio State's best coordinator. I'd go after Marcus
Freeman too. You don't have to pay Signetti at Indiana.
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What you're going to have to pay Marcus Freeman. So
by all means, Penn State go after him, notre name,
don't let him go. I you know, listen, Los Angeles.
USC and UCLA are both in Los Angeles. They both
have billionaires all over their alumni. One of them USC
is committed to football. UCLA you could argue, I think
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I read a story Ucla USC had the most. Maybe
it was a USC had the most people worth thirty
million plus net worth in the country, and a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Of them they like football.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
So the James Franklin firing, I wouldn't have done it
yet because if the interim guy wins five games and
a cruddy Bowl game, and all of a sudden the
players revolt. If you don't hire the interim guy, I
always worry about the substitute teacher. Everybody loves them rule.
Here was Bruce Feldman earlier this week on the Franklin firing.
Speaker 11 (30:08):
Coming off the loss at home to Oregon, you had
a just an abysmal performance out here in LA that
was a gut punch. They come back home. The atmosphere
in Happy Valley was really subdued and down, and then
they play a Northwestern program that's not that good either
and they lose that game. It felt like for everybody
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involved it was time to make a change.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
And it didn't matter what it costs.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Penn State had the money, and Notre Dame has the money,
and UCLA has a nine point seven billion dollar billion
dollar endowment. If you want to win in football, call
Nick Saban. Want to come out warm weather, Yeah, we'll
pay for it. Everybody's got the money, and we could
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solve a lot of healthcare issues. We got the money.
Super Bowl bubbles around the corner. Sean McDermott acknowledging on
the bye week, we may need to tear it up
and start over.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noone Eastern not Am Pacific Into the series.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Coverage begins at seven pm Eastern, four pm Pacific tonight
on FS one.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Apparently brooms are moving at Costco. A lot of brooms
being purchased in the Pacific Northwest target Costco.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
We're running out of brooms.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Okay, So the everything I was talking about the Dodgers
and fans, Oh they got all this money. Nobody's disputing
that money matters.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Nobody.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
You know, you'd rather have a lot of money than
no money. Right, It doesn't mean there's a lot of
happiness over a certain threshold, but you can waste a
lot of money too. Here's another thing about the Dodgers.
They stole Mookie Bets from the Red Sox. Mookie Bets
was available, he was expensive. But before Otani, I mean,
there's an argument Mooky is the most complete player in baseball.
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When you watch him play shortstop like you would never
know he could also play outfield. He didn't have a
very good year until September and then he caught fire.
But Mookie Bets was available. He was available to a
lot of people, and the Dodgers essentially gave the Red
Sox picks or players, and none of the players did much.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
So the minor league guys didn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
You can keep saying again, Max Munsey, A's released him.
A's were like, yeah, it's it's not gonna it's no good.
He can't play. He was hitting like less than two hundred.
He goes to the Dodgers and here's Max Munsey, who's
just I mean, he's been hitting ballms for years in
Los Angeles and ta Oscar Hernandez was available to the
market and then when he got to La tay Oskar's like, yeah,
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I'm gonna play for less. So Tommy Edmund Saint Louis
had him, didn't want to pay him. He was a
two to sixty five hitter. It's a good defensive player.
Dodgers NLCSMVP. So when you're watching this thing and they
are really Andrew Friedman was the GM in Tampa years
and years ago, when Tampa got to a World Series
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and Tampa was really good, and you're like, how they
have no money? How did Andrew Friedman build up those
Tampa teams? He didn't have the Dodgers payroll. He won
in a division with the Yankees and the Red Sox
and Toronto, big money Boston, Toronto, which I think is
probably the richest city in Canada, the Yankee all that money.
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Andrew Friedman was making the playoffs. So you took his
brain power, you put him with a big bankroll, and
they just don't miss a lot. They could have had
Manny Machado, they passed on him. They could have paid
for him. Zach Grinky years and years ago, they're like, no, no, no,
I think he went to Arizona. They've had opportunities to
buy a their plan. They buy the right dudes. Freddie
Freeman got the right dude. Great in the locker room,
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mo Key Betts show, Hey Otani, and again Otani is
not hit. The last two postseasons, they're not winning because
of Otani. He has been a monster in the regular season.
He can't hit right now.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
He is just lost.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Okay, So I do this about every three or four weeks,
and it's difficult. I think there's one great team in
the NFL, and then I think there's another team that's
really really good. But it's time for my Super Bowl bubble,
and like a couple of these teams right now have
got to get better at things. But I always put
about six or seven teams in. I do think Philadelphia
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will right the ship at least for the running game,
and I do think bow Knicks, as the season progresses,
will get more consistent. But right now my Super Bowl bubble,
the teams I think could end up at a Super Bowl,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Know if they can win it.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I think they can end up there Kansas City, Tampa, Philadelphia, Detroit, Seattle,
Green Bay, and Denver. I'm not saying bow Knicks is
going to hoist a trophy. I think those teams either
have the coach, the roster, the defensive front, the O line,
and then I would put the Colts, the Rams, San Francisco,
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and the Bills. Now in three to four weeks, when
Hampton's back and Joe Alter back for the Chargers, that's
not their reality now. Right now, Chargers are missing both
tackles and I have a third string running back.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
The Rams would maybe.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Be in it, but they lost Puka Nakula and they
are very reliant on Poqua Nakula in big downs. So
San Francisco I think they're going to get healthier offensively.
They get Piarsol back and I You back and Kittle.
I think San Francisco I don't know if they can
hoist a trophy. But rock Perty's coming back, so I'm
gonna put them on the edges. I didn't put Pittsburgh yet. Listen,
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Pittsburgh's beating bad quarterbacks. The one really good team they played,
they got routed. They got routed by Seattle at home.
So Pittsburgh needs to win a couple more games. But
in terms of Kansas City, I don't know what everybody
else is watching. I mean the eye test they are
fast offensively, and they have the best head coach quarterback
to five coordinator combo in the sport. Here's Matt Hasselback
earlier this week.
Speaker 12 (36:03):
I'm the Chiefs And if you're starting quarterbacks, one of
the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game ever, and
then you've got the best offensive play caller designer in
our era and Andy Reid, Like, literally, how are you
gonna like?
Speaker 9 (36:15):
That gives me confidence as a player. That gives me
confidence as a locker room and as a defense, like
you got Mahomes over here running like speed option, like
like he's Vince Young or something like you got to
defend it all. You can tell that this is a team.
There's no panic, there's no players only meetings there. You
know they're they're three and three. This guy's not falling.
You know they're like, hey, we're going to we're gonna
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go Want to know this week, you know we'll probably
look a game out.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
We're good.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I will say Tampa is an interesting team because they're
five and one but needed a last second field goal
to beat the Jets, and four of their five wins
have come with a you know, within a field goal
or last Now they're banged up, so they're gonna get
Chris Godwin back, Mike Evans back, Bucky Irving back. So
I think you're not seeing the best of Tampa's personnel,
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and I still have them in the bubble. I think
there's tremendous value on winning close games and also something
to remember teams EBB and Flow. The Chargers look great,
then they fell apart physically.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Now they're not that good. I didn't put them in
my top ten.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Joe alt Returns at left tackle, Hampton Returns. I think
they're a top ten team. San Francisco, I listen, I
have Seattle in the Super Bowl bubble that has been
Now you say, what about New England.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I like what New England's doing, but.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
They got they got whacked by Pittsburgh, and I don't
have Pittsburgh here, So I think New England's one of
those teams I need more. I need more from New England.
I need more from Pittsburgh. But if you're wondering where
New England is, I think Patriot fans know this is
a really cool spot to be in. But let's put
about four or five more wins down. You know, Drake
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May's still young, developing and with Pittsburgh again, they got
absolutely routed special teams mistakes at home against Seattle. And
I know a lot of people are pointing to Denver
and bow Knicks.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I think Bo Nicks may not be a great deep
ball thrower. But the Denver Broncos lead the NFL. They
protect their quarterback better than anybody and get after years
better than anybody.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
That is.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
That's something that wins in January. That wins in cold weather.
Great old line play, great pass rush, wins in January.
I never but into the Dolphins when they get off
of these hot starts and throw it over the top.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
That's not January football. So there's two lead.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
There's two seasons pre Thanksgiving and post Thanksgiving, and the
football changes. Remember we talked about this a couple of
weeks ago. Why were there fifteen quarterbacks with one hundred
plus passer rating?
Speaker 3 (38:37):
And I said the weather.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
It was eighty degrees in Buffalo, Chicago had good Way, Chicago, Buffalo, Baltimore.
Weather's getting real chilly now. So things are going to change.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Jmax.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Anybody in or out of the Super Bowl bubble, New England,
Pittsburgh didn't make it for me.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I had your Niners, so you know what I like
to do.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
Instantly look at the gambling onds you could see on
the screen there Buffalo, who on the outside has the
same odds to win the Super Bowl as Kansas City.
I think you're a little low on Buffalo. I know
they just lost and didn't look great to Atlanta. But
the other team you mentioned Pittsburgh, and I was kind
of scoffing, like, oh, come on, they're junk. Pittsburgh and
Seattle have the same Super Bowl odds, Colin, which I
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thought was surprising. I don't think Pittsburgh's great. The one
team you don't have in the top twelve are the
Washington Commanders, who at plus twenty five hundred have the
same odds as San Francisco. Washington gets Terry mclorinback. Literally,
he's practicing right now with it with the team.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
By the way, Cowboys Commanders this weekend kind of spicy.
That's got Tampa Seattle written all over, and that's got
thirty three thirty. I looked at the over under this morning.
It's a little low. Cowboys Commanders could be a wildly,
wildly entertaining game.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Hour two. Be happy Dodger fans doesn't get better than this.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, it is a Wednesday, but not any typical Wednesday.
We are loaded Penn State trying to steal Notre Dames
football coach. The Bears are upset because they're not being
fonned over by a national announcer. And the Dodgers remain
the best run organization in North America. I don't care
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what league, I don't care if it's college. There is
no organization from research and development, drafting, scouting. The Dodgers
are unbelievable. It's an impeccable organization that's gotten to the
playoffs for twelve out of thirteen years. J Mack, you
looked at Milwaukee all year and they swept the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Right, they beat him six times, and so.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I thought, Oh, the Dodgers' bullpen all liability. Yeah, this
is a mismatchy Let's talk. Let's talk about it. Yoshi
last night, Yamamado, unbelievable. You know, the Brewers are in
trouble when they throw their ace Freddie Peralta, who was
virtually unbeatable at home, untouchable at home. They also get
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a leadoff home run in the first inning, bought them
in the first and they get blown out. And this
thing should have been worse. The Dodgers were two for
eleven with runners in scoring position. They stranded ten batters.
How many times do they load the bases? It's all
about pitching, Yoshi, Yamamado, Blake Snell in Game one, and
by the way, Otawi and Glass now are coming up.
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We worried about the Dodgers' bullpen against the Phillies. It
would be their undoing. Okay, the Brewers, it'll be their undoing.
We knew Cincinnati was overmatched. It's not Otani's not even
playing well. Otani's swinging at terrible pitches. So Milwaukee feels
out classed and the Dodgers have so many bats. I
know you all want to say it's about money. Steve Cohen,
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isn't he like the richest the Mets owner of the
richest guy in baseball. The Yankees have plenty of money,
they don't spend it wisely. The Dodgers do a great job.
I mean, their menu is so deep, doesn't matter if
the milk make milkshake machine in back is broken. They
got somebody else stepping up. So o Tani can't hit
in the series. My here's tey Oscar Hernandez or Max Munsey.
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And I think the Dodgers were very wobbly this year.
They blew all those games, bleue twenty six save opportunities.
But it's like the Chiefs dynasty, It's like the Brady
Belichick dynasty, It's like the Warriors dynasty. It is hard
to stay self motivated. Baseball is so long. It is
hard from day one to spring training to now to
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stay motivated. And you know you're the best team and
the deepest team, and so the Dodgers treat the regular
season like a lot of us treated college. You know,
it's you do the bare minimum for most of the
school year, and then on the finals it's an all nighter.
And the Dodgers now are buttoned up outside of Otani,
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who is just in an all times slump right now.
Two for his last twenty five started the Philly Series,
and Otani is swinging at bad pitches like he is
out of sorts. Otani has lost. He'll pick it up
in the mountain when they go back to Los Angeles.
But the bullpen liability, it doesn't matter. I mean, Blake
Snell was so dominant in Game one, it was Cofax
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level dominance that Yoshi last night was really really good,
but it didn't really compare. It's just the starting pitching
is just covering up all the warps, the Otani slump,
the runners in scoring position, left on base, And here
is Dave Roberts afterwards.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
If you look at the construction of our roster currently,
you know the strength is starting pitching. And you know,
when you can have your most talented pitchers get the
most outs, then you're in a good spot. And right now,
you know all four of those guys are in a
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really good headspace physically, their sound, and you know you
feel good about those guys starting a game and pushing
them in there prepared for this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It is interesting, though, is that Dave Roberts regular on
the show, he pulled Blake Snell, who was even more dominant,
and then last night with Yamamato, who was dominant but
not quite as dominant. He just let him go, And
I think it's kind of fascinating. I would have argued,
you let Snell go because he was so dominant, and
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it was the first game of a series, and I
wouldn't trust my bullpen if I could steal one in Milwaukee.
But once I had the win in Milwaukee and I
had a bigger, a four run lead, you could have
argued you could go to the bullpen. Last night, you
got a series lead, you had a four run cushion.
So I understood if he pulled Yoshi last night, he
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didn't complete game. But the Snell was so dominant in
Game one. Just get that in the books. Don't worry
about tomorrow. Get the win first game of a series.
But you know, Dave Roberts has said, these are fifty
to fifty decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You can go either way.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
But the Dodgers starting pitching is covering up all these
runners left on runners in scoring position, can't drive him home.
O Tawni is completely lost. The starting pitching is that good.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So you know, when I.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Got into this business as a kid, and I'm talking
about when I was like seven, eight nine, ten years old.
The sportscasters that I was always attracted to as a
kid were the ones that were, like, honest, I'm not
even an eight nine ten years old. If my team
played bad, it was okay for the local sports and
now sir to say my team played bad. So I
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almost always defend people in my business that are critical
of teams even if they win, because a lot of
you know, a lot of local you know there there
there's some palm palm waving and everything. Sonny and Rosy
So Troy Aigman apparently did not did not hand out
flowers after the Bears and Caleb Williams just beat Washington.
(06:26):
So here's what Ben Johnson said about a former Fox
broadcasters comments.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
It's sounded like from that game the other night, a
few people weren't particularly pleased with how we're winning right now.
So that's the I woke up this morning, and you know,
my kids were watching the second half before school, and
so I heard some of the commentary. But listen, in
this league, anyway you can find a way to win
is a big deal.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Of course it is.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
But the Bears are three and two, and they're a
blocked kick and a fumble from being one and four.
And Haleb Williams, who you know I loved out of college,
is a work in progress.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Right now. He remains dead.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Last in the NFL an expected completion percentage, what is that?
That's when the game's over people look at tape. Translation,
he should be completing seventy two percent of his throws.
He's at sixty one and a half. Their leady leaving
a lot of completions on the floor. So coming out
of college, the concerns on Caleb Williams were consistent accuracy
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still a problem in the NFL, and could he play
with instructure. Now he's getting better at that, but he's
still last in the NFL getting the ball out of
his hands. He holds the ball too long, and he's
not consistently accurate. So year two in the NFL with
a great offensive young coach, still problems. Remember that video
that came out in camp when Caleb Williams you all
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told me to downplay it. Immedia is going overboard When
he had that moment, he's thrown into a net and
he got so upset at himself because he badly missed
a throw from eight feet away.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's a real thing.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
This was the concern out of college, he's still missing
too many throws. This is not subjective, it's objective. It's
happening in front of you. All the data tells you this.
So if an announcer is willing to say unpopular things,
I'm here for it. So, you know, it's just very
interesting to me that a team that's three and two,
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and for the record, you were watching it, Washington is
driving for the win in the cover and they fumbled
it bad handoff. So and even on the Bears winning
drive on Monday, Caleb had one completion. It was DeAndre
Swift's game. We talked about this on Tuesday morning. It
was about DeAndre Swift and the offensive line creating massive holes.
So if you watch Jalen, Jayden Daniels, and Caleb Williams
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play on Monday, Jayden was the more accurate quarterback. He's
operationally accuracy at this point. He's a little more refined.
You kind of know what you're getting with Jay Daniels
if he's healthy. You don't quite know what you're getting
with Caleb Williams. Yes, I agree, you're three and two. Celebrated.
I said it on Tuesday after the win I'm like,
it's the Bears. They won on the road, they won
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a close game. You can see the coaching. There's a
touchdown difference Caleb last year Caleb this year. Eighteen to
twenty five points a game. But this idea that everybody's
supposed to fall in line. Caleb is still struggling with accuracy.
He is missing guys within twelve yards, He's holding the
ball too long. And these were the concerns out of college,
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consistent accuracy, playing within structure. Now, I do think the
structure element he's getting better at. I do think he
could run more often than he's running. So I think
Caleb deserves credit for that. When you're as gifted as him,
it's very easy to take off. Lamar Jackson had to
get hit a few times. By year four, Lamar didn't
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run as much Caleb or and Caleb could for a
lot of yards. Caleb is doing a better job to
plan structure. I will defend him all day on that.
But the accuracy thing, they're leaving some completions out there.
They're there a lot little swing passes. So here's been
on Ben Johnson about what he told Caleb on training
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camp and how he was going to coach him this year.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Standard has been set, the bar has been set high.
He has said that he wants to be not just
one of the best top five quarterbacks in this league,
but he wants to have a legacy that lasts for
a long time. And so we're coaching him that way.
We're approaching it that way. That's not going to change.
Is he going to be a finished product here year two?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, he's not a finished product.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And that's why a national broadcaster should say, nice win,
but there's a lot of work here. Like I know,
when I feel an announcer is being overly negative, I've
heard that before. But my taking all these national broadcasters,
they'd rather be optimistic and they'd rather be positive. I
think it's refreshing when any of them can go that's
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not good enough. Yet they won, but they're leaving a
lot on the floor, a lot on the table. I
appreciate that. I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I don't. I don't need you.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
To blow smoke. I'm not looking for rainbows and pots
of gold. Just give me honesty, right, Like I'm a
grown up. I remember again, when I was a kid,
when I was eight, nine, ten years old, I liked
Howard Cosell. I like the local sportscasters that I thought
were telling me the truth, not blowing smoke, which I
didn't even know blowing smoke meant. Then maybe my sister
smoking behind the house. So just just be honest. I'm
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good with it. I don't need rainbows. J Mac James Franklin,
Penn State coach out. Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame coach.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Is being is being wooed.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Oh Nitney Lion, no shot whatsoever as a downgrade from
Notre Dame to Penn State. No disrespect to the folks
in Happy Valley, but come on, that's a Marcus stream
is not doing. His next stop will be the NFL calling.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Well, there's nothing like a little distraction during USC one.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Yes, oh I like that.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So there are you know, it's one of the things
that's cool about October. It's my favorite month by far.
The weather turns, it's nice and cool, you can wear
the jackets. But the other thing now is in these
baseball series, it is it is the time unless you're
a diehard, a seam head, it is the time where
us casuals who don't break down the games during the
regular season that you really dive deep. I said this
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on Monday, I had I had the baseball game on
the big screen, and I'm watching on you know, I'm
watching on the smaller screens. I'm watching football. Is one
of the things that is remarkable about the Dodgers. It's
really remarkable is anytime there's a dynasty, and right now
the Dodgers. Look. I mean, good luck to the Mariners,
but the Mariners are a little bit like the Brewers.
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They're really solid, don't have a lot of holes, but
don't have a ton of star power. When Freddy Peralta
goes last night and the Dodgers are getting runners on
the base, Milwaukee's doing everything they can. They're out classed.
Their manager knows it. But there's something about the Dodgers
that people do not talk about, and I want to
talk about that next.
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Pro teams, right.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And so I was like a Cincinnati Red in the
Kansas City Royal and a Pittsburgh Pirate and a Philadelphia
Philly fan. And my first sports memory is going to
watch Reggie Jackson the Yankee bus pull up at the
King Dome. That's one of my first big sports memories.
I projected most of my love for sports because the
Pacific Northwest, Seattle didn't have pro teams until like seventy six,
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seventy seven, didn't have the Mariners until then, didn't have
the Seahawks until then. I was more of a college fan,
and so like I've always looked at the whole menu
of sports in this country.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I don't really think I'm a fan of a particular region.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
People called me a Patriots Homer when I used to
work at the other place because I lived in Connecticut.
But the minute the Patriots were bad, I stopped talking
about him. I think I was more of a Brady fan.
So I like greatness, I like efficiency, I like well
run businesses. So having lived in southern California, I think
the Dodgers. I bang on the Lakers all the time.
I don't think the Lakers have been well run. I
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don't think the Lakers have been well run. I don't
always think USC has been well run. I think the
Rams are well run, and I think the Dodgers are
the best run team I've ever seen. Yes, money matters,
but Otawi last year didn't pitch as the Dodgers won
the World Series and didn't have a very good postseason.
This year we can't hit at all. So they have
not been winning in the postseason because of Otani. He's
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been a great regular season player. But I mean, I
don't like Listen, the Browns and the Jets are playing
in Week ten, All pass you knock yourself out. I'm
not watching. So it's not about money. It's payroll creativity,
it's scouting, it's getting the right money on the right, people.
Yankees have a ton of money. They're over indexed on
home runs. Mets have a ton of money. They're the Mets,
so they'll give you an example. Tommy edmund was in
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Saint Louis. The Cardinals had him. He was a good
defensive player who hit about two sixty five. The Dodgers
bring him in, pay him a little more. Last year
is the NLCSMVP and he's hitting three eighteen in the playoffs.
Tommy Edmunds was available for everybody. Anybody could have had
Tommy edmund Toronto and Seattle both had tay Oscar Hernandez.
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Seattle let him go after a year. He's a monster
for the Dodger. Is anybody more consistent? Big games? Freddy
Freeman and Taoscar Hernandez, They're great, and he decided last year,
I'll stay with the Dodgers and take less money. Max
Munsey was so bad with the A's, who are essentially
a Triple A baseball team. He was with him two years.
The A's let him go. The A's let Max Munty go.
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Last night he had another home run. So, like Max Munsey,
Tommy Edmund, Taskar Hernandez, the whole sport could have him.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Well, oh, Tawni. I'm not saying money doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
But Otawi has not been the reason they're winning last
year's World Series and they'll their favor to win this year's.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
He not the reason. He can't hit.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
He is lost at the plate right now. I mean
he is swinging a bad stuff and baseball does this
like golf, a lot of downtime stuff gets into your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They have bid people for Freddie Freeman Hall of Famer, absolutely,
but they were ahead of everybody on Roki, Sazaki and
Yamamoto looking at those guys for years before they brought
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him over. I said on the air multiple times, I
think three years before o Taani, he was with the
Angels three years earlier, and the Dodgers were moving the
chess pieces and making the contacts to get him legally.
So it's not just about the money. The Mets have it.
The Astros have it. Astros are a really well run organization.
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They just had a ton of injuries this year. But
when I watched the Dodgers, I appreciate there's all these
guys on this roster. Like the Yankees have money, they're
totally uneven. They don't run the bases particularly well. They
strike out too much, over indexed on home runs. Now
they had a Garrett Cole injury and that set them back.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Clearly.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
If Max Freed and Garrett Cole are going into a series,
it can beat anybody. But when you watch the Dodgers
and the Yankees play last year when Cole wasn't pitching,
Yankees looked like an American League Central team. They look
like a mid payroll team. They don't spend their money
wisely enough. The Dodgeman's go. Max Munsey was let go.
He was awful with the A's. The Dodgers found something
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and it works. So it's it's it's easy, it's funny.
Yankee fans loved it when they would dominate the Hot
Stove League, when they would just nobody else could afford
CEC's about you. Remember Initially CC was like, I don't
know if I want to go pitch there, and they're
just like, all right, we're gonna we're gonna overpay or
pay above.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
The market, right like.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And now CC is is a great old time Yankee
and he loved being a Yankee.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But it's not just about that.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
They do so many things well, I mean they had
a major bullpen issue this year. Major typical Dodgers. They
figure it out once they get to September.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
In October. J Mack with the news. No, no, turn
on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
All right, Colin, let's start with Thursday night football, Bengals Steelers.
They're calling it the Icy Hot Bowl. Yes, that's a thing.
Two quarterbacks over forty years old, a couple of fossils
back there in the pocket who can't move around. We
heard Mike Tomlin take a couple jet as at the
trade of Flacco. Well, now, Joe Flacco has responded saying,
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like Tomlin, he's just doing gamesmanship out there.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, I appreciate old guys, and you know what I like.
I mean, Aaron Rodgers and Flacco have very different personalities.
Both work, but Flacco loves life.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Flacco is just so appreciative and grateful for the opportunity
to still play. And there is value when you can
bring a guy in. Josh Dobbs had this that they're
so smart, Flacco and Josh dock you could bring him in.
Here's two practices and they've got it figured out, which
is really a skill. In this league, there's a lot
of guys that can't see the field, a lot of
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guys that takes ramping and ramping and ramping. I root
for Flacco. And for the record, Joe Flacco has earned
every penny he's made in this league. You know what meant,
he's been around. That's a lot of practices, that's a
lot of getting banged on, and he's incredibly joyful guy.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I just like Joe Flacco.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
I know a lot of people didn't watch Packers Bengals.
It was ugly early, right ten nothing at the half.
Bengals had like twenty yards at one point in the
first half of Packers had like two forty colin adjustments.
At halftime, Flacco looked good, said I'm just gonna get
the ball to Chasin Higgins. They covered the spread, they
had a chance to get the ball back down. I
think it was six late in the game, or maybe eight.
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But I'm just I like Flacco and the Bengals here
on Thursday night to cover five and a half. It's
not just Steelers hating. I think this game is a
lot more interesting than people think it's gonna be. All right,
all right, let's move on Colin to Bijon Robinson emerging
is probably the best running back in the NFL. I
think he's surpassed McCaffrey, James Cook. I mean, what a
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year he's having. Monday Night, he was incredible. He's on
track to break the NFL record for yards from scrimmage. Colin,
we we got the numbers year. Obviously, Marshall Falk has
had one of the great seasons ever. You see Chris Johnson,
Christian McAffrey vjon Is on face for twenty seven hundred
and ninety five yards, which had topped this list by
over two hundred.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I remember a couple of years ago, nobody's paying running backs.
Running Backs are disappearing. Now most of your first round
running backs really become stars. Sakuon Barkley, Zeke, Bjean Robbinson,
who didn't have a very good first year with I
think it was Arthur Smith. They just they didn't use
him a lot. I remember when he got drafted. I've
said this on the air multiple times. I had a
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general manager tell me he reminded him of Ladanian Tomlinson,
not stylistically but character quality guy. He said, Jean is
the safest player in this draft. He said, nobody will
pick him number one. He is the safest player in
this draft. He goes, catch it, block, run, character, doesn't fumble.
Great locker room guy. He is just a this idea
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that running backs were going to dry up. Running Backs
have huge value in one of the things we talk
about all the time in this league. A real skill
is having a lead, eating the clock up and not
giving it back to a Mahomes or a Baker Mayfield
or right. So, how do you beat Tampa? Because Baker's
great if he gets the last drive, the way to
beat Tampa because you'll stay close to Tampa if you're Atlanta.
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He's giving Vjon Robbinson the ball six times on that
final drive and Baker sits on the bench and never
gets the ball back. So when it's a big quarterback league,
the value in the running back is great. Quarterbacks usually
have a lead with eight minutes to seven minutes to
go on a football game. That's why they're great quarterbacks.
How do you close it out? You don't lean on
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the quarterback, You lean on the star running back. So
bijon really good teams. I mean, Josh Allen's numbers got better,
his efficiency got better when he got James Cook. He
didn't have to be Superman to close out games.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Yeah, I will just say Colin, you remember I bet
on the Falcons against the Panthers. Where was b Jon
Robinson against the Carolina Panthers. He vanishes too much sometimes
in these outdoor games. This week Atlanta, they're at San
Francisco game. I know San Franz beat up. I mean,
no Warner. They should attack the linebackers and coverage should
be a big game for Bijon, But I need him
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to be a little more consistent. Colonies. I don't want
to say to boom or bust, but you know he
has his eighty one yard play and then it's just
a lot of he didn't do much otherwise. So I
need consistency from Bijon. You like the Falcons this league
or no?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Uh no, I don't. I like the Niners, Oh I do.
I think there's gonna be some points in this I
think it's I think it's a high scoring game. I
like the Niners in a high scoring game.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
To beat Atlanta. You get Atlanta Dome team out.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
West, and then you get San Francisco who now no Warner,
no Bosa, Sola can only play, you know so much
smoking mirrors. I think this is going to be one
of those games we talk about. It's wildly entertaining. Remember
when Pittsburgh and the Jets played early in the year
at the one o'clock win, Like, what a wild game.
I think it's it's got a chance to be one
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of those, like thirty twenty seven games back in for
Seattle Tampa was that.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
But you have two great quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
My problem with Atlanta. Remember the last time they beat
the Vikings on Sunday Night football. I was like, twenty
two six dominant Vike. Here we go, Falcons, We're good.
The next week they get smashed by Carolina, like out
of some of these young teams. Don't know how to
handle success. Final story Dallas Cowboys, Colin and you know
this George Pickens guy, he's playing pretty damn good. Jerry
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Jones very excited about how he's filled the void when
Ceedee Lamb went down. Here's Jerry talking about how George
Pickens has been an inspiration to the Cowboys.
Speaker 10 (24:32):
I won't speak for the players, but he is a
great teammate in my mind. And of course when we
got him, there was some issue with well there might
be something with the way he is personality. I can't
tell you how Brad ariam personally for George because he
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is absolutely as exciting as he's been on the field
for us. He's been that kind of team mate and
he's in inspirational.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
He's been great.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
He was a little bit of a I would say,
highly emotional young player in Pittsburgh, a little bit of drama.
He's been a great cowboy and you got to get
played third round pick for this guy. I thought he
was a one and donner because of you know, but
he's had emotional restraint, He's gotten better. It feels like
every couple of weeks Dak clearly likes him. Now, the
question is when Ceedee Lamb comes back, He's not going
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to get all the attention.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
He's not going to get all the.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Glow because Ceed's a better CD creates separation that Pickens doesn't.
Pickens just has a big catching radius. So when CD
comes back and George Pickens doesn't get the looks, that's
what we'll see, the maturity and how he handles it.
Because Ced is a true classic, dominant top six receiver
in the league. You gotta target him twelve times a
game you have to I.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Will add that that's all accurate.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Remember in a contract here at Fox, you pulled me aside.
You're like Jay Max.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Tighten it up.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
No more idiotic behavior, no more hot takes, settle down.
This is a contract here for Pickens. He's out there
trying to get a huge money offer to be number
one somewhere. He's going to fall in line, and yes,
the inspiration J.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Mcklow, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So Joel Klatt a lot of college football talk for
ten fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Top of next hour.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I saw this story they were talking about in this
story about how James Franklin had a forty five million
dollar buyout at Penn State. And then I saw another
story where Penn State is reportedly going to pursue Notre
Dame's Marcus Freeman. Freeman's a great coach. That's the smart move,
Kurt Signetti. I don't know, Freeman, feels like you got
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twenty years. But here's what's funny about it.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Just spend the money double Marcus Freeman's contract, because if
I was Penn State, I would pay fifteen million dollars
a year to get Marcus Freeman. Penn State football last
year made two hundred and forty million. Is the coach
worth fifteen million dollars? Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely Notre Dame
step up and pay it. I remember when the Nia
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Well a few years ago, nil Transfer Portal. It's going
to ruin the sport, and I said, if you want
to compete, you'll have to spend money. All you schools
have money. Penn State right now is doing a seven
hundred million dollar Beaver Stadium upgrade. They paid forty five
million dollars to get rid of James Franklin, and they
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would pay one hundred million dollars to get Marcus Freeman.
It's just like in life, folks, Wall Street, Silicon Valley,
and the oligarchs. They'll spend four trillion dollars on AI
development over the next decade, But yet our healthcare system
often doesn't take care of the very poorest, sickest, and
weakest countries. Universities, institutions, governments always have the money. They
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always have the money. I grew up in Seattle. Seattle
is a top ten GDP city in the country. Starbucks,
big Money, Microsoft uski's football program nil average average, not
as good as Texas Tech, which I'm not even sure
that area has a Panera bread. Honestly, Seattle has decided
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we're we're a We're an NFL city and a Mariner city,
and we like soccer and Husky football.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
They're they're, they're it's it's they're.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Given some money. Oregon gives a lot more. In little
tiny Eugene, Phil Knights totally committed. So when I see
this story about Marcus Freeman and Penn State, it's a
real story by real reporters. And if I'm Notre Dame today,
I call Marcus Freeman's agent. I don't talk to Marcus.
Marcus is preparing for USC. I just pay whatever I
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gotta pay, if I have to rip his contract up
and give him a new contract. That dude's got the look,
the vibe, the recruiting, that touch the field, the toughness.
That is what a college football coach is. And and
and Penn State should go after him. I mean, Penn
State took Ohio State's best coordinator. I'd go after Marcus
Freeman too. You don't have to pay Signetti at Indiana.
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What you're going to have to pay Marcus Freeman. So
by all means, Penn State go after him, notre name,
don't let him go. I you know, listen, Los Angeles.
USC and UCLA are both in Los Angeles. They both
have billionaires all over their alumni. One of them USC
is committed to football. UCLA you could argue, I think
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I read a story Ucla USC had the most. Maybe
it was a USC had the most people worth thirty
million plus net worth in the country, and a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Of them they like football.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
So the James Franklin firing, I wouldn't have done it
yet because if the interim guy wins five games and
a cruddy Bowl game, and all of a sudden the
players revolt. If you don't hire the interim guy, I
always worry about the substitute teacher. Everybody loves them rule.
Here was Bruce Feldman earlier this week on the Franklin firing.
Speaker 11 (30:08):
Coming off the loss at home to Oregon, you had
a just an abysmal performance out here in LA that
was a gut punch. They come back home. The atmosphere
in Happy Valley was really subdued and down, and then
they play a Northwestern program that's not that good either
and they lose that game. It felt like for everybody
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involved it was time to make a change.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
And it didn't matter what it costs.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Penn State had the money, and Notre Dame has the money,
and UCLA has a nine point seven billion dollar billion
dollar endowment. If you want to win in football, call
Nick Saban. Want to come out warm weather, Yeah, we'll
pay for it. Everybody's got the money, and we could
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solve a lot of healthcare issues. We got the money.
Super Bowl bubbles around the corner. Sean McDermott acknowledging on
the bye week, we may need to tear it up
and start over.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noone Eastern not Am Pacific Into the series.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Coverage begins at seven pm Eastern, four pm Pacific tonight
on FS one.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Apparently brooms are moving at Costco. A lot of brooms
being purchased in the Pacific Northwest target Costco.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
We're running out of brooms.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Okay, So the everything I was talking about the Dodgers
and fans, Oh they got all this money. Nobody's disputing
that money matters.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Nobody.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
You know, you'd rather have a lot of money than
no money. Right, It doesn't mean there's a lot of
happiness over a certain threshold, but you can waste a
lot of money too. Here's another thing about the Dodgers.
They stole Mookie Bets from the Red Sox. Mookie Bets
was available, he was expensive. But before Otani, I mean,
there's an argument Mooky is the most complete player in baseball.
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When you watch him play shortstop like you would never
know he could also play outfield. He didn't have a
very good year until September and then he caught fire.
But Mookie Bets was available. He was available to a
lot of people, and the Dodgers essentially gave the Red
Sox picks or players, and none of the players did much.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
So the minor league guys didn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
You can keep saying again, Max Munsey, A's released him.
A's were like, yeah, it's it's not gonna it's no good.
He can't play. He was hitting like less than two hundred.
He goes to the Dodgers and here's Max Munsey, who's
just I mean, he's been hitting ballms for years in
Los Angeles and ta Oscar Hernandez was available to the
market and then when he got to La tay Oskar's like, yeah,
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I'm gonna play for less. So Tommy Edmund Saint Louis
had him, didn't want to pay him. He was a
two to sixty five hitter. It's a good defensive player.
Dodgers NLCSMVP. So when you're watching this thing and they
are really Andrew Friedman was the GM in Tampa years
and years ago, when Tampa got to a World Series
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and Tampa was really good, and you're like, how they
have no money? How did Andrew Friedman build up those
Tampa teams? He didn't have the Dodgers payroll. He won
in a division with the Yankees and the Red Sox
and Toronto, big money Boston, Toronto, which I think is
probably the richest city in Canada, the Yankee all that money.
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Andrew Friedman was making the playoffs. So you took his
brain power, you put him with a big bankroll, and
they just don't miss a lot. They could have had
Manny Machado, they passed on him. They could have paid
for him. Zach Grinky years and years ago, they're like, no, no, no,
I think he went to Arizona. They've had opportunities to
buy a their plan. They buy the right dudes. Freddie
Freeman got the right dude. Great in the locker room,
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mo Key Betts show, Hey Otani, and again Otani is
not hit. The last two postseasons, they're not winning because
of Otani. He has been a monster in the regular season.
He can't hit right now.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
He is just lost.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Okay, So I do this about every three or four weeks,
and it's difficult. I think there's one great team in
the NFL, and then I think there's another team that's
really really good. But it's time for my Super Bowl bubble,
and like a couple of these teams right now have
got to get better at things. But I always put
about six or seven teams in. I do think Philadelphia
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will right the ship at least for the running game,
and I do think bow Knicks, as the season progresses,
will get more consistent. But right now my Super Bowl bubble,
the teams I think could end up at a Super Bowl,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Know if they can win it.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I think they can end up there Kansas City, Tampa, Philadelphia, Detroit, Seattle,
Green Bay, and Denver. I'm not saying bow Knicks is
going to hoist a trophy. I think those teams either
have the coach, the roster, the defensive front, the O line,
and then I would put the Colts, the Rams, San Francisco,
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and the Bills. Now in three to four weeks, when
Hampton's back and Joe Alter back for the Chargers, that's
not their reality now. Right now, Chargers are missing both
tackles and I have a third string running back.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
The Rams would maybe.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Be in it, but they lost Puka Nakula and they
are very reliant on Poqua Nakula in big downs. So
San Francisco I think they're going to get healthier offensively.
They get Piarsol back and I You back and Kittle.
I think San Francisco I don't know if they can
hoist a trophy. But rock Perty's coming back, so I'm
gonna put them on the edges. I didn't put Pittsburgh yet. Listen,
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Pittsburgh's beating bad quarterbacks. The one really good team they played,
they got routed. They got routed by Seattle at home.
So Pittsburgh needs to win a couple more games. But
in terms of Kansas City, I don't know what everybody
else is watching. I mean the eye test they are
fast offensively, and they have the best head coach quarterback
to five coordinator combo in the sport. Here's Matt Hasselback
earlier this week.
Speaker 12 (36:03):
I'm the Chiefs And if you're starting quarterbacks, one of
the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game ever, and
then you've got the best offensive play caller designer in
our era and Andy Reid, Like, literally, how are you
gonna like?
Speaker 9 (36:15):
That gives me confidence as a player. That gives me
confidence as a locker room and as a defense, like
you got Mahomes over here running like speed option, like
like he's Vince Young or something like you got to
defend it all. You can tell that this is a team.
There's no panic, there's no players only meetings there. You
know they're they're three and three. This guy's not falling.
You know they're like, hey, we're going to we're gonna
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go Want to know this week, you know we'll probably
look a game out.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
We're good.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I will say Tampa is an interesting team because they're
five and one but needed a last second field goal
to beat the Jets, and four of their five wins
have come with a you know, within a field goal
or last Now they're banged up, so they're gonna get
Chris Godwin back, Mike Evans back, Bucky Irving back. So
I think you're not seeing the best of Tampa's personnel,
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and I still have them in the bubble. I think
there's tremendous value on winning close games and also something
to remember teams EBB and Flow. The Chargers look great,
then they fell apart physically.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Now they're not that good. I didn't put them in
my top ten.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Joe alt Returns at left tackle, Hampton Returns. I think
they're a top ten team. San Francisco, I listen, I
have Seattle in the Super Bowl bubble that has been
Now you say, what about New England.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I like what New England's doing, but.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
They got they got whacked by Pittsburgh, and I don't
have Pittsburgh here, So I think New England's one of
those teams I need more. I need more from New England.
I need more from Pittsburgh. But if you're wondering where
New England is, I think Patriot fans know this is
a really cool spot to be in. But let's put
about four or five more wins down. You know, Drake
(37:50):
May's still young, developing and with Pittsburgh again, they got
absolutely routed special teams mistakes at home against Seattle. And
I know a lot of people are pointing to Denver
and bow Knicks.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I think Bo Nicks may not be a great deep
ball thrower. But the Denver Broncos lead the NFL. They
protect their quarterback better than anybody and get after years
better than anybody.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
That is.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
That's something that wins in January. That wins in cold weather.
Great old line play, great pass rush, wins in January.
I never but into the Dolphins when they get off
of these hot starts and throw it over the top.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
That's not January football. So there's two lead.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
There's two seasons pre Thanksgiving and post Thanksgiving, and the
football changes. Remember we talked about this a couple of
weeks ago. Why were there fifteen quarterbacks with one hundred
plus passer rating?
Speaker 3 (38:37):
And I said the weather.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
It was eighty degrees in Buffalo, Chicago had good Way, Chicago, Buffalo, Baltimore.
Weather's getting real chilly now. So things are going to change.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Jmax.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Anybody in or out of the Super Bowl bubble, New England,
Pittsburgh didn't make it for me.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I had your Niners, so you know what I like
to do.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
Instantly look at the gambling onds you could see on
the screen there Buffalo, who on the outside has the
same odds to win the Super Bowl as Kansas City.
I think you're a little low on Buffalo. I know
they just lost and didn't look great to Atlanta. But
the other team you mentioned Pittsburgh, and I was kind
of scoffing, like, oh, come on, they're junk. Pittsburgh and
Seattle have the same Super Bowl odds, Colin, which I
(39:18):
thought was surprising. I don't think Pittsburgh's great. The one
team you don't have in the top twelve are the
Washington Commanders, who at plus twenty five hundred have the
same odds as San Francisco. Washington gets Terry mclorinback. Literally,
he's practicing right now with it with the team.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
By the way, Cowboys Commanders this weekend kind of spicy.
That's got Tampa Seattle written all over, and that's got
thirty three thirty. I looked at the over under this morning.
It's a little low. Cowboys Commanders could be a wildly,
wildly entertaining game.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Hour two. Be happy Dodger fans doesn't get better than this.
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