October 22, 2025 • 40 mins
FOX Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to break down what Lincoln Riley and the USC Trojans must fix to get into College Football Playoff contention and finally compete for a national championship
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
All right, here we go. It is hour two. We
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Joel Klatt is around the corner, so I gotta start
this hour with it. This happened yesterday or the day before.
I think it was yesterday. The tweet came out from
Russell Wilson. So Sean Payton coached the Denver Broncos. When
he got to Denver, he and Russell Wilson and I
had set it on the air, this is gonna be
a personality clash. I know Sean had dinner with Sean.
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I've had a lot of discussion with Sean. Shawn is blunt,
Sean is up front, Shawn is authentic, Sean didn't care
what you think about him.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And Russell can be you know, very I.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Would say, almost political, a little bit more calculated. And
when Russell had his own office there in the Denver building.
That was not gonna play with Sean Payton. So it
never worked. Sean didn't view him as the future. He
was overpaid, and Sean was gonna get rid of him.
It wasn't ever gonna work. And so Shawn's taking a
few shots at Russell and after coming back to beat
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the Giants and Jackson Dart who replaced Russell. Here's what
Seawan said after the game Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It was a great win, good team effort to fight back.
Tip your hats to New York. Those guys that found
a new juice about him, and you could see that
on tape. You know, they found a little spark with
that quarterback. Was talking to John Mayor not too long ago,
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and I said, we were hoping that that change would
have happened long long after our game.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well out.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Russell Wilson did not like that, went to X classless,
not surprised. Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting fifteen plus
years later through the media.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Let's ride. Let's ride.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You knew that was coming. First of all, the Russell
Wilson story is crazy. It deserves a Netflix special. So
Russell Wilson's last two years at North Carolina State seventy
two touchdowns, best record for NC State in eight years,
and the coach demoted him, said, They're not going to
be an NFL player.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I'm going to go with Mike Glennon.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So he goes to Wisconsin, he scores thirty nine touchdowns,
they go eleven and three and go to the Rose Bowl.
I don't think Wisconsin scored thirty nine touchdowns since he left,
and yet he only went in the third round of
the draft. He got disrespected again. And then in Seattle
when he's changing the world a un corn talent, Marshawn Lynch,
Pete Carroll, the defense got all the talent. So Russell
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has lived in this kind of prism of he didn't
get respected n z State even though he was record setting,
he didn't get respect in Wisconsin even though he's easily
the most productive quarterback they've ever had for a single season,
and he didn't get a ton of respect in Seattle.
And I think I think Russell's tired of it. I
think he's just tired of it. And I mean, Pete
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Carroll chose Geno Smith over him. Sean Payton was willing
to deal with the worst dead cap hit in league history.
To go with bow Knicks, Mike Tomlin said, I'll go
with old Aaron Rodgers, who gets hurt more and Brian
Davills being investigated by the league because he went over
to the injury tent to make sure he didn't have
to put russ back on the field.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So you know, zero for four with coaches.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But I think the bigger issue is russ Field's disrespected.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But there is a truth about smaller quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Let me ask you, how is to his career gone
the last couple of years, How's Kyler Murray's career gone
the last couple of years, And how has Russell's career gone?
He's lost his last seven starts. There are limitations with
smaller quarterbacks. They don't last as long and they do
not age well. Russell to Kyler Murray, by the way,
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I do think it is hard when your entire life
is an uphill battle. I mean the fact that he
had seventy two touchdowns, best record in almost a decade.
In the coach at NZ State says not interested, and
then he goes to Wisconsin, who can never get the
quarterback right and is unbelievable, and the NFL still ignores him.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I mean, and to show you more.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Disrespect that Russell Wilson had when he was at the
top of his game, a unicorn talent, a playmaker. The Seahawks,
GM and Pete Carroll went to Wyoming to scout Josh Allen.
So I do think we all have limitations. I think
all of us in life if we feel constantly disrespected
over and over and over again. I think that's what
Russell feels, and that's why he clapped back. He just
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feels disrespected and he's tired of it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And I get it, and I don't think.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I don't think Sean should have taken a shot at him,
but I think Russell's always been above that of punching back.
And I think Yesterday's like, I'm over it. I'm over it,
and I get it. The guys NC State, Wisconsin Seahawks,
Geno Smith, I get it. And with that, Joel Clatt,
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the Voice of College Football, is joining us live. We'll
have the UCLA Indiana game, which is UCLA is a
crazy story.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean, it's so weird.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
They get rid of their coach and they have a
completely different vibe, feel energy and juice. For the record,
does UCLA have any chance? I mean, it's pretty interesting
what they're doing offensively. Do they have any chance to
compete with Indiana?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Well, I mean they're playing substantially better football and they
still have a five star quarterback. This is what I
find so interesting in college football right now is these
teams that maybe we don't think a lot of they've
got better players than they ever have because of revenue
sharing and nil and that talent has dispersed. So I
think more than any other year, I think that there
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are opportunities for a team like UCLA to go out
there and not only play with, but maybe even beat Indiana.
And it starts with their quarterback and he's got a
play well and their play caller Jerry Neuheisel. Now Tim
Skipper doesn't probably get enough credit for the way UCLA
has bounced back and played so well, totally different energy.
I think you're exactly right. But also these two coordinators
that they that they have. Jerry Neuheisel has really understood
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that he needs to teach the why to the concept,
and I think it shows on film when I'm watching UCLA.
It's drastically different with the way that they play in
terms of their urgency on offense. And you can only
do that if you understand the why, not just what
or how, but the why of.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
What's going on in the football field.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
So they're playing a lot better, but I will tell
you this is an uphill battle because this Indiana team
is very good. They're the only team in college football
right now in the top five in scoring offense and
scoring defense. They've got a top five pick at quarterback,
They've got experience on the outside. The defense has been sensational.
They can run it, they're balanced, and that's a tough
place to play. So you know, it's an uphill battle
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for UCLA.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So when Ohio State went and got Chip Kelly from
the NFL and Matt Patricia, it shows you the meshing
in college and pro football. I mean, Belichick going to
college not working. But there's a mesh. Now it used
to be there was pros they look down at college football.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, no, you're seeing.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
NFL guys steel offensive stuff. From college. You're seeing NFL
guys go I'll be a coordinator in college and make
a million bucks a year. But it's interesting. So the
outther thing that's happening to college football that has an
NFL field that nobody's talking about. It used to be
Ohio State, Michigan play. Oh, it's burr, it's cold. Then
you go play somewhere in Orlando. You go to a nice,
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sunny life location. The college football Playoff is very NFL.
You're gonna play in crappy weather. That wasn't the case.
So the best teams are now. Then I'm going to
go to the Rose Bowl. You know, goett to go
to Orlando all the time. And so I watched Notre
Dame this weekend and I want, Oh, Notre Dame is
built for December.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Notre Dame is not. They don't need DNTE more slinging
it fifty times.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I watched Notre Dame and I thought, every year we
watched this in the NFL, Joe Joel, there's two football
seasons pre Thanksgiving and post we want to college football
now is going to have a little bit of that feel.
And I watched Notre Dame Saturday and I'm like, I
would want no part of Notre Dame if they get
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to the playoff. Am I crazy? No, You're not crazy.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
In fact, I based an entire episode of my podcast
around this exact topic.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You can actually go out. It's out today.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
You should go over the Joel Plat Show on YouTube
and subscribe and check it out.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
And it's basically this.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
I went and with Chris bart Felka, so I brought
Bear on and we did a National Championship draft.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Colin.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
To your point, he proposed on a conference call, like, Hey,
how far would you get down the list if you're
just drafting teams all or nothing to win the national Championship?
How far would you get before you drafted Notre Dame?
And we all thought to ourselves, like, man, easily in
the top six, you know, and I know they're not
ranked right now up there in the top six because
of the two losses, But those two losses look a
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lot different. They look like a different team with a
quarterback that's maturing. Even though he played his worst game
against USC. I don't want to see that run game
with Jeremiah Love and Gineeran Price. Those guys can absolutely
handle the rock. So to your point, I think that
if I'm looking at the sport right now, I said
earlier in the year, there was ten teams that could
win the National championship. At one point I thought twelve.
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Now as I'm starting to really see this and evaluate it,
I know the playoff is going to be twelve. But
there are six teams that I'm like, you know what,
any given week, any given run through the playoff, these
six can win it all. And Notre Dame is one
of those. And I think you're spot on. They do
the foundationally things correct. When the line of scrimmage, run
the football. They can play good defense. They did it
against USC last week. And another thing that I would
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just say is that this sport still is dominated by defense.
As much as we watch in awe of great offensive play.
The last four national champions Georgia had the number one
defense in college football. Georgia had the number four defense
in college football, Michigan number one defense in college football,
Ohio State number one defense in college football. You still
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have to play great on defense if you're going to
go out there and win it all.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Hey, I want to ask you because you do work
for the draft, and so when college football and pro
football converge, and I think more than ever, I think
the playoff feels very NFL. The nil they're being paid,
the transfer portals even a whackier free agency than the NFL.
But college football today, in the last three years, feels
much more Sunday than Saturday. And I still love it.
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But when I watched Jackson Dart with Kiffin, so I
always felt he's got a much better college coach than
ninety percent of the sport. I liked him, but he
was all over the map.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
It is weird to me.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I like him way more in pro football that I
liked him in college football, and I liked him in college.
But did you when you watch Jackson Dart, did you
think he was going to look like this goodness quickly
in the prom without a great team, without a great
old line.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
No, I mean if and by the way, if anybody
says that they saw this, they're they're lying because he
would have gotten selected a lot higher.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Than he did.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
You know like that, I like, that's an honest opinion,
And I did not see this coming from Jackson Dart.
I love that that New York And remember Mike Shanahan
did this for RG three early in his career at
at Washington, but he wanted to put his player in
position to succeeds. So what New York is doing offensively
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is tailored towards the skill set of Jackson Dart, and
that's really smart from Brian Dable.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
That's really smart.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Now.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I know that they just totally bombed out in the
fourth quarter against Denver, which was wild. Denver scores thirty
three in the fourth quarter in order to win that game.
But Dart and his skill set and the way that
they're using him, it's effective. And even though Sean Payton's
comments got then you know, pointed to Russ and we're
talking about everything else, what he initially said is absolutely correct.
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And I think you and I would both agree like
they have a different juice with Jackson.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Dart at quarterback, no question, Yeah, no question. So they're
not going to make the playoff. And I got into
this discussion the other day. I am often called a
USC homer. I resent it, but I live with it.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Everyone's wondering if you're going to go USC this week. Okay,
so I just listen.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
In the NFL, we've seen great play callers like Lane
Kevin and Mike McDaniel coach in the NFL. It's but
Lane was super young and McDaniel isn't really your classic alpha.
What we know in the NFL, is Harbaugh is not
a great scheme guy, Dan Campbell, Vrabel Tomlin is that
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in the NFL, you're hiring these are all millionaires in
the locker room. You're hiring an alpha a CEO. You'll
then you will give this schematic excellence. And there are
exceptions like Kyle Shanahan or Andy Reid to your coordinators,
but you are basically they called in the NFL a
walk around coach.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Jimmy Johnson's a walk around coach. He walks from.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Unit to unit to unit, inspiring, judging parcels.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
A walk around coach.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So you know, I look at USC in college, it's
a little different. You got to be a walk around coach.
But a lot of these guys they don't want to
call plays because they're really good at it and much
better than the average college coach.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Interesting, I see where you're headed with this, And.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So my take is I think Lincoln Riley as a
play designer and caller is a plus. How many years
do I have to watch USC get pushed around on
every road game before I don't have this opinion. He's
not a culture builder. He is a great, great intellect,
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But I'm watching them get pushed around by Illinois and
last year Maryland and last year Michigan and this year
Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
It's four years in. This is what they are as
a program. I do think it's getting better.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I mean we sat here and talked about how much
better it was getting against Michigan. I think Notre Dame
is just elite running the football. That's where Illinois exposed
to USC. But they are going to be better on
the defensive line next year than they have been this year.
Jakim Stewart, right is his name, the young kid like
he's a phenomenal player on the on the interior, I'm
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going to take it a different way.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
In college football. See I disagree with you at the premise.
I think in the NFL, scheme guys are rewarded and
walk around coaches aren't. Like scheme guys win Andy Reid,
Kyle Shanahan, those guys win. I think what Stichen is
doing right now, right Steichen in Indianapolis, it's very creative,
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it's great. It's great style. Like scheme guys win in
the NFL. What you don't see in college is scheme
guys and specifically play callers win at the top level.
In fact, we haven't seen a play caller win a
national championship since I think it was Jimbo Fisher, and
before that it was like Tom Osborne back in the nineties.
Like guys that are CEOs win in college football because
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the walkaround style is much more prevalent and needed. This
is why Ryan Day gave up his play calling duties.
That's his superpower, it's his cape on his back. So
he gave him up last year. Are we saying that
that basically? So what you're basically saying is it's a
walk around sport. Lincoln's not that great of a walk
around coach. I don't think so. I think the play callers,
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the Kiffins and the Sarks and the Lincoln Rillies of
the world, they need to look at a guy like
Ryan Day and think to themselves, you know what made
them have the ability to win.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
The national championship. I'll just say this.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
If Ryan Day called the plays last year and was
the coordinator to facto for Ohio State, I don't think
that they win the national championship. But it's not because
of his play calling. It's because he wouldn't have been
available to the defense after they got beat by Oregon
to go in and fix broken structures. I think that's
a man. He would talk about that openly and it
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was the reason why he decided to give up play
calling duties. Now you also have to be a GM.
You also have to raise a bunch of money and
do all of these things outside. And the level of
time and commitment it takes to not only formulate a
game plan but then become the play caller and study
to be the play caller. I don't know if you
can be a national champion and call the place in
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college football. Brent Viittibles is trying to do that on
the defensive side right now. Mike Elko is trying to
do that on the defensive side right now, and I
think it's too tough.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I look at your top ten. You have Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama.
I agree with that, Oregon A and M Georgia, Georgia Tech.
How about Georgia Tech, Miami, Notre Dame Vandy. I'd have
Notre Dame a little higher, but I don't. I don't disagree.
I gotta tell you something I am. I am rooting
for Kaylin de Boor and the reason I'm doing it
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is replacing a legend is really hard, and people forget
people go to Alabama. Nick Saban saw this coming. He
knew that he couldn't match up with Georgie's nil or Texas.
He knew it, and Nick said, I'm gonna quietly move
to television.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And he was smart.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He saw it, and Calin de Boor inherited a less
talented roster. They do not have a elite andil, I.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Think you're over selling this. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I don't think they have the money that. I mean,
USC spent an eighteen large. I don't think Alabama's got that,
do they.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Well, they have it through revenue share. You know, the
SEC has given them a large check. And if listen,
if you want to take Nick Saban at face value,
what he didn't like is that the day after they
lose to Michigan and the Rose Bowl, you know, players
are asking how much are you going to pay me?
And how much am I going to play? And he
didn't like those conversations as I don't know if it
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was a resource battle where like all of a sudden
he was scared or this or that. I don't think
he liked the nature of what the head coach was
going to have to do. Like, for instance, at Ohio
State last year, they win the national championship. The next morning,
in fifteen minute increments, they started meeting with every player
and their manager to talk about nil. I mean, that's
that's not fun, and I don't think Nick Saban wanted
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to do that.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Now.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I don't want to speculate on his account, but I
would just say this. I think Kaylin Debor is one
of the better coaches in the entire sport.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
His record proves that. Yeah, wherever he's been great.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
And he's got a quarterback right now in Ty Simpson
that I think has a really good chance to be
the number one overall pick. And when you got that, like,
you got a chance. I don't think their defense is great.
I don't think they run the ball, you know great,
but man like, this is a great quarterback, a proud tradition,
a good roster, and I think they're going to be
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really tough to beat. I think they would right now,
which is the reason I put him at number three.
Are my favorite in the SEC?
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
No, I think so too. They don't.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
They don't look as ferocious defensively, they don't look as
powerful or quite as big defensively as the Saban years,
but they don't have you know, it's a whole different
world now backups transfer. So yeah, don't be surprised if
Simpson's your number one pick, though, I mean it'll be
him and Fernando Mendoza will be looked at as that
number one pick.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
All right, And I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Gonna ask USC questions. I know they're uncomfortable for you.
I'm a journalist. They're always very comfortable questions for me.
It's just listen, after four years, you are what you are.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Don't you think you're Don't you think you're seeing a
trajectory that is different than what has been before.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Let's see, they go on the road. They can't beat Illinois,
and they can't beat Notre Dame. What's different? Uniforms the
same results, the same road. I mean it's the same
day on the road. Uniforms look the same. The offense
is clever and smart, that's the same. They get pushed around.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I think I think USC makes the playoff in the
in the next twenty four months.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Oh oh, standards kind of dropped, hasn't it.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
By year six?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean, I mean we're lating, We're not the we're
not march madness, but we could be up to eighteen
teams there pretty quick. Ope in the next twenty four months.
All right, Clad, it's good to see anybody.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
You as well, have a good day, dude. Yeah, maybe
you know.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
First of all, I don't want ping pong tables at work,
and I got higher standards than you get the USC job.
In year six you get into the playoffs. Oh, mister
crazy talk over here. My rule is, if you're at
work playing ping pong, you're a ding dong. You're not
going to management. I mean you can get go ahead,
hit it back and forth and have your dog at work.
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All right, somebody's got to do the heavy lifting here.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I guess it's me.
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Speaker 1 (22:08):
So I was just informed the Kansas City Chiefs have
a ping pong table in their facility. Well that's why
I said when the year started, the dynasty's over. I mean, seriously,
why not just have beer, pong and toasts'mores in near facility?
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Come on, hold on.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
So the Chiefs got a new facility. They gave a
tour online. It has a ping pong table, shuffle board table,
barber's share, and a racing simulator. So the Kansas City
Chiefs fun ping pong, slash table, tennis fun.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Chiefs are four and three. Why not just hand out ayahuasca.
I mean, what's the point of going to work? I
mean barber shop. I totally get that. I get get haircuts,
totally get that. That's I don't want you wasting time
going to the barber.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Do it to the facility. Race car driving.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
You're just ruling with an iron.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You know.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
This is why I didn't go to Chicago this week
because I heard there's.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
No ping Pong Taale.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
I'm not going to Chicago to celebrate you and your
big week, your big honor.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Come on, J Mack with a news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
This is the Herd Line.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
News, Colin. More quarterback stuff going on around the league.
Are you ready for this? Jj? McCarthy not ready to go,
according to.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
The Minnesota Vikings, and they will start Carson Wentz. Once again,
Kevin O'Connell's sticking with Wentz.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
It's not like there's a controversy here. Wentz has not
been good. Here's Kevin O'Connell talking about keeping Carson Wentz
at quarterback. JJ.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
The medical staff, myself, we're all kind of encouraged about
where he's at and the progress he's making, but he's
just not there. And if this was a Sunday game,
maybe it would would be a little bit of a
different story. We wanted to have a plan at the
quarterback position, and it'll be very similar to last week.
Carson will start, Max will be the backup, and JJ
will be available in the case of emergency as the third.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Okay, I'm not gonna speculate, but the whole thing is weird.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
It Well, let me give you a little more context.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
So they have the Chargers followed by the Detroit Lions,
a divisional matchup that means a lot more than this
non conference one. And I think my guess is because O'Connor,
Remember he picked McCarthy over Sam Darnold.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
My guess is they believe a healthy McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Gives them a better chance to win an important game
against the Lions.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Huh oh November second, You buying that or.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I want to watch it. I've had my doubts from
the very beginning.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
This was the one quarterback in the draft lass I
didn't see as an NFL franchise quarterback. I'm not saying
he can't plan in the league, but I wouldn't build
around JJ McCarthy. That is how I project his career is.
You'll find out very quickly he's not a franchise guy.
Could be wrong, been wrong before. I loved Drake May,
I love Jayden Daniels, I love Caleb Williams, I love
bow Nicks.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I thought very.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Highly of Pennix, who's been hot and cold, but all
young quarterbacks are. But he was the one I had
doubts about, and he was the one that everybody told
me was going to be the star.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, that was the way.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Oh everybody, And I kept saying, folks, don't my eyes
don't lie. He made about one big throw a game
at Michigan. That's not the NFL.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
Jim Harbaugh remember was hyping in.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Jim Harbaugh obviously coaching the Chargers, probably happy to face
Carson Wentz week Do we have some Onz numbers on
the screen here?
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Colin?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Since taking over in week four, only one quarterback has
been worse.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Than him in quarterback in uh In.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Hasty still remains way too reckless what I mean?
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Yeah, and in the pocket he doesn't inspire confidence.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
I don't have a bet on this game Thursday. Chargers
are favored by three off that bad loss. I'll take
the Chargers.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, I'm with you. Chargers bounce back.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Next up, it's official, Jaden Daniels. I'm sorry, folks, Jayden
Daniels will not play on Monday against the Kansas City Chiefs.
It'll be the Marcus Mariota Show. The team just announced
earlier this morning. Dan Quinn, however, did say potentially good
news Terry mcclaurin, who we've been rumored that he's going
to return for three weeks. Now he's expected to play,
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and Deebo Samuel should return as well. Now this is interesting.
The line has ballooned up to ten and a half.
I will preface this, you know when we candicap these games.
Next up for the Chiefs Buffalo Bills. Okay, that was
a team they lost to last year in the regular season,
beat in the AFC title game. Is there a chance
the Chiefs kind of sort of overlook Washington with a
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backup quarterback?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
And I think, listen these Thursday games. We just watched
the Bengals and Joe Flacco beat the Steelers.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Sorry, this is Monday night.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I'm go Monday and night. I don't bet ten and
a half.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I don't like these big, lobsided scores. I never bet him.
I never put him in blazing five. I just I
think ten and a half for a bunch of prideful
men is too many points. Chiefs playing the Bills, I
don't like it. I don't standalone games are weird. I
mean I watched Seattle and Houston play one of the
ugliest games of the year. I watched Baker struggle against
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the beat up Lion secondary I don't like these standalone games.
I don't like betting them a lot. I did like
Detroit in that game, but I'd stay away from me
ten and a half too many points.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
So we just watched Dak Prescott throw the ball literally
all over the field ceedee lamb at one hundred yards
at halftime. What is Patrick Mahomes who's been performing at
a high level with receive ris back? Now, what's Mahomes
going to do here? Like a Lottimore in company in
that secondary? They are not very Colin. I don't think
this is a playoff team this year.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
No, I don't think they are either. I think the
NFC is deeper than it's been half a decade.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Yeah, final story is the Raiders. Colin. Sorry to compound.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Bad news with bad news, but Ashton.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Genty is not very happy. Yeah, Colin.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
I was kind of sort of stunned at this quote
from Ashton Genty. Raiders are two and five, just got
humiliated by the Chiefs and listen to the rookie kind
of pop off here.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
How long work as hard as I do not to do.
I think anybody else's doing all this to lose like that.
Speaker 9 (27:57):
So if we're being honest, it's been you know, losing
culture on you for a long time. You know you
have to continue to work to fix that and bring
winning back.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
They got to get better at quarterback.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
That ain't happening well, And I'm finding a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Ain't no connolling walking through that door.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No, they're going to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
But Pete Carroll did say the door is open. Can
he Pickett? I don't know if he can kick it
down or if he's even.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
A can stick his foot in the door to keep
his first snap against the Chiefs, Colin, he fumbled it.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Now, this is interesting.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Zach on Staff is a big Raiders fan, and you
know the Raiders' offensive line can't open holes for GENTI.
Do you want to take a gander who the offensive
line coaches?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Carrol's son?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Yeah, you're not firing your son, are you?
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Now? I don't want to steal his thun.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
But I've told you I'm not a fan of that.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
That's the Belichick thing in Carolina, highest paid assistant family.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I'm not a big fan.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
So Colin, just winning, baby, just nepo baby.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Oh that's a good one. Did you come up that
one by yourself?
Speaker 7 (29:03):
That was Raiders fan Zach who's very angry, very perturbed
with the state of his Raiders right now.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, well you get a better draft pick. There's an
upside and a very rich quarterback. To Jmack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So NBA was fun last night. It was fun.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
The Warriors beat the Lakers. They had three months off.
It's an old team. But Steve Kerr is one of
the smartest guys in the league. He was a great player,
he was a good coach, he was a great broadcaster,
he was a GM. He is too smart to think
this Warrior team in the West is going to beat younger,
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more athletic Minnesota, younger, more athletic Oklahoma City, bigger, significantly Dallas.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Okay, I haven't even gotten to Denver in Houston, they're not.
I think. I think Joannis reports yesterday that he was
close to signing with the Knicks. Nicks don't have anything
to give him. I think the Warriors. This will be
my strongest take today. Have a plan and I'll tell
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you what it is next.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
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Speaker 7 (30:32):
Sunday on Fox, It's an NFC East rivalry as breakout
rookies Jackson Dart leads the Giants against Hertz Barkley and
the Eagles, or McCaffrey.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
And the Niners take on the Texans or other regional action.
Check local listings for the game in your area. Sunday
on Fox.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Giants Eagles is interesting because the Eagles are not getting
a pass rush, so you think to yourself, Okay, Jackson Dart,
you got lucky.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
The last time. Giants.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
To be honest, they did a pretty good job of
protecting jack Jackson Dart against the much better pass rush
in Denver. Eagles aren't getting a pass rush and they're
not dominating time of possession.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Eagles don't have an run game.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
At all, and so Jackson Dart's gonna get a lot
of possessions and a lot of time with the ball
and not face a ton of pressure unless the Eagles
finally consistently get a great pass rush. They haven't this year,
so there's a reason teams, all these teams hang around
the Eagles. They can score quickly over the top, but
they don't dominate time of possession. They get out gained
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and they don't create pressure. So I think the Giants.
If you watch the way the Giants play, they do
get pressure on the quarterback and scataboo and dart moving,
you can win time of possession.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
So unless so, now.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Maybe Philadelphia flips a magic switch, I think Giants could
beat them again. If you look at how the Giants
play and what the Eagles are, I think it's a
I think it's another close game. So there have been
several phases of the Golden State Warriors who beat the
Lakers last night. There was the pre KD phase splash brothers, Hey,
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they won a title. And then there was the KD phase,
who that's unfair? Oh one titles? And then there was
the post KD phase that was the Andrew Wiggins team
beats Boston. You're getting titles with all of them, and
then you're all thinking, well, what about the Jimmy Butler phase. Now,
Jimmy Butler's a fling, He's not a phase, and I
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think it's time for the fling at the trade deadline
to end. And I love Jimmy Butler, but Steve Kerr
is too smart to think that thirty seven year old Staff,
thirty five year old Draymond, thirty six year old Jimmy Butler,
and now thirty nine year old Al Horford can compete
in the West.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
They can't. They can't.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
So last night game won three months off, they can't.
And what I would do, and I'm told you can
do it at the trade deadline. They will be able
to move these pieces at the trade deadline. I would
trade Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Kaminga and four first round picks
for Giannis and see if it's enough. Jimmy Butler played
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at Marquette, so he's coming home and he's still a
lethal free throw shooter, big game performer. Jonathan Kaminga averaged
twenty a game last year when he didn't play with Steph.
He just they don't work that well together. Although when
he didn't play with Steph, he had some really nice nights.
And he's a better player today and he's only twenty
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three years old. And then four first round picks and
first round picks are going to be more valuable than
they were the previous decade. This last draft, very domestic,
very good, twenty twenty six draft is supposed to be better.
Why two things are happening in college basketball. The best
players are staying in college longer because they get paid
now nil. So you get a better, older, more refined
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player out of college. Draft picks for the last fifteen
years before that, Yeah, you're getting nineteen year olds.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Now you're getting twenty twenty one year olds.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
The second thing is the best European kids seventeen eighteen,
nineteen twenty, they're coming over and they're now American nil
money is buying them. The best young Spaniard, the best
young Croatian. They're ending up playing in college basketball. So
now you get to see more of them against the
domestic product.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Right, you don't have to kind of guess.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
So the draft, the NBA draft going forward should be
much meteor and less top heavy than previous years. So
four first round draft picks eight years ago pass four
first round draft picks now pretty good and kaminga who's
going to be My guess is he's twenty three. He's
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gonna end up being about a twenty four to twenty
five point game guy. If he went to Milwaukee and
Jimmy Butler and any Night can score twenty five, so
that that may not be enough. But Gannest is older,
had some injuries. But to me, Steve Kurz too smart
to think that, yeah, these old guys out on buy it.
I think Warrior tickets are expensive. As long as staff's around,
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you know, they're fun. But the West is young, athletic
on the wing, great rim protectors everywhere.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
This is not it that that that.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Watching the Lakers and the Warriors last night. I mean
it's the Warriors are a little bit of an antique store.
It's fun to rummage around in.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
There a little bit. It's like, that's kind of nice.
I'd rather go to restoration hardware and get the new stuff.
Just me so.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
And I think I think the real piece in this
is whenever you make a trade, whoever gets the star
generally wins the trade. You know, Shaq goes Lakers to Miami,
Miami wins the trade. But if you can get four
draft picks a borderline, I mean in the East, Jonathan
kaminga twenty four a night in the in the East,
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not in the West. In the East, is he an
all Star. He's gonna be much closer in our star
in the East than he is the wide. Not gonna
be an All Star in the West, but in the
East Kaminga twenty three, twenty four to twenty five a night.
Could he be maybe, but here he would be the
key in the piece. The four draft picks Kaminga and
Butler coming home. Steve Kerb, by the way, likes what
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he's seen this offseason from Cominga.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
I think he's really really matured. You know, he's had
a great camp. We've had some really good conversations. I
think he has a better understanding of, you know, what
we need. I think he just has a better sense
of what's needed now compared to past years. And I
think Jimmy has really helped him too.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
For the record, Kaminga is a better three point shooter
than you probably think so last year he's a forty
percent from three point land. He's a better three point
He's long, he's athletic. He can finish at the rim,
but he kind of looks lows sometimes playing with Steve Kerr.
But he can shoot threes, so you can three and
d him. I mean, he can play defense. He's a
two way player. He's twenty three, he got ten years
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with him close to his prime. To me, He's the
centerpiece in the four draft picks, which are better picks
because Euros are now playing over here and our best
domestic players stay in college. One year longer, Cooper Flagg said,
I want to stay in college. He couldn't because he
was the number one pick, and if you're a number
one pick, you go to pro.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
But I mean, it's the college guys.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Now we are getting paid and they're in college and
they only play thirty games, big man on campus.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's fun.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Zakcheney played another year of college at Purdue and came
in and was a more refined player. Zacheny was way
better than everybody.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Thought he was going to be. So here's the NFL schedule.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
You know, these two Monday night games do not do
the schedule a ton of favors. I forced Jmack to
call an upset every week on Wednesday and Thursday. I
want the upsets. I've been on a bit of a heater,
you know, so I'm gonna let you go first kick
me the upset.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
So last week I had Titans. That's failed spectacular. That
was horrific. Thank you cam Ward for nothing. You know,
I do wonder if Carolina is frisky at home against
the Bills running sense. Also, the Bills have the Chiefs
on deck. You wonder if they're looking ahead but coming
off a buy.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
I guess for now, can I go Bears? Since there's
still dogs and Lamar? Now, Lamar did jog out to
the practice field. We just got video. We'll talk about
it next hour. His first practice field trips in September
twenty eighth. I don't think he's playing, so then, I
don't know how much.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Of an upset it is. So why don't we go.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
Back to the well with my New York Football Jets.
No Sauce Gardener, no Garrol Wilson. I'm kidding, do not
bet the Jets. Let me throw one at you, those cowboys.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
I'm going to qualify as an upset if the Pittsburgh
Steelers beat the Packers.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
What's the line? Three and a half?
Speaker 7 (38:58):
No, that's not I mean, I'll give it to you,
Tomlin raw Ross spot.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
We're underdogs. Nobody believes in US Sunday Night football.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Okay, Mike Tomlin's history at home as a dog, he's
been good in these games. You give him a little
more prep time. Don't put them on Thursday you put
them on Sunday night, you put them on Monday night.
You have Tom a little extra prep time, a little
late Sunday night at home, Aaron Rodgers. They also were
humiliated by Cincinnati. The defense was atrocious. I My favorite
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underdog bet of the week on the card is Pittsburgh
plus three and a half.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Yeah, almost six teams on a bye man. This is
so frustrating.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Damn anyead you did Titans Colts. That's fourteen and a
half colin. No, it's the weakest NFL schedule today. It's
not a great but you know how the one o'clock
window works. You watch San Francisco Texans and Giants Eagles
beat great, great games.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Well, now the Eagles better smash them. This is a
revenge spot.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
The Eagles don't smash anybo They can't when you don't
generate a pass rush and you allow quarterbacks to be comfortable.
In this league, I'm sorry. You're not blowing people out
like Buffalo can't stop the run. You can't blow people
out if they can control the clock. I think the
Eagles I could be wrong on this. I think they've
been out gained in every game.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
It's insane leading.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Into Minnesota they were. I don't remember the final stats,
but all right.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
A final hour coming up. Feisty today, no ping pong
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
All right, here we go. It is hour two. We
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Joel Klatt is around the corner, so I gotta start
this hour with it. This happened yesterday or the day before.
I think it was yesterday. The tweet came out from
Russell Wilson. So Sean Payton coached the Denver Broncos. When
he got to Denver, he and Russell Wilson and I
had set it on the air, this is gonna be
a personality clash. I know Sean had dinner with Sean.
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I've had a lot of discussion with Sean. Shawn is blunt,
Sean is up front, Shawn is authentic, Sean didn't care
what you think about him.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And Russell can be you know, very I.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Would say, almost political, a little bit more calculated. And
when Russell had his own office there in the Denver building.
That was not gonna play with Sean Payton. So it
never worked. Sean didn't view him as the future. He
was overpaid, and Sean was gonna get rid of him.
It wasn't ever gonna work. And so Shawn's taking a
few shots at Russell and after coming back to beat
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the Giants and Jackson Dart who replaced Russell. Here's what
Seawan said after the game Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It was a great win, good team effort to fight back.
Tip your hats to New York. Those guys that found
a new juice about him, and you could see that
on tape. You know, they found a little spark with
that quarterback. Was talking to John Mayor not too long ago,
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and I said, we were hoping that that change would
have happened long long after our game.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well out.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Russell Wilson did not like that, went to X classless,
not surprised. Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting fifteen plus
years later through the media.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Let's ride. Let's ride.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You knew that was coming. First of all, the Russell
Wilson story is crazy. It deserves a Netflix special. So
Russell Wilson's last two years at North Carolina State seventy
two touchdowns, best record for NC State in eight years,
and the coach demoted him, said, They're not going to
be an NFL player.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I'm going to go with Mike Glennon.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So he goes to Wisconsin, he scores thirty nine touchdowns,
they go eleven and three and go to the Rose Bowl.
I don't think Wisconsin scored thirty nine touchdowns since he left,
and yet he only went in the third round of
the draft. He got disrespected again. And then in Seattle
when he's changing the world a un corn talent, Marshawn Lynch,
Pete Carroll, the defense got all the talent. So Russell
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has lived in this kind of prism of he didn't
get respected n z State even though he was record setting,
he didn't get respect in Wisconsin even though he's easily
the most productive quarterback they've ever had for a single season,
and he didn't get a ton of respect in Seattle.
And I think I think Russell's tired of it. I
think he's just tired of it. And I mean, Pete
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Carroll chose Geno Smith over him. Sean Payton was willing
to deal with the worst dead cap hit in league history.
To go with bow Knicks, Mike Tomlin said, I'll go
with old Aaron Rodgers, who gets hurt more and Brian
Davills being investigated by the league because he went over
to the injury tent to make sure he didn't have
to put russ back on the field.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So you know, zero for four with coaches.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But I think the bigger issue is russ Field's disrespected.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But there is a truth about smaller quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Let me ask you, how is to his career gone
the last couple of years, How's Kyler Murray's career gone
the last couple of years, And how has Russell's career gone?
He's lost his last seven starts. There are limitations with
smaller quarterbacks. They don't last as long and they do
not age well. Russell to Kyler Murray, by the way,
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I do think it is hard when your entire life
is an uphill battle. I mean the fact that he
had seventy two touchdowns, best record in almost a decade.
In the coach at NZ State says not interested, and
then he goes to Wisconsin, who can never get the
quarterback right and is unbelievable, and the NFL still ignores him.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I mean, and to show you more.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Disrespect that Russell Wilson had when he was at the
top of his game, a unicorn talent, a playmaker. The Seahawks,
GM and Pete Carroll went to Wyoming to scout Josh Allen.
So I do think we all have limitations. I think
all of us in life if we feel constantly disrespected
over and over and over again. I think that's what
Russell feels, and that's why he clapped back. He just
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feels disrespected and he's tired of it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And I get it, and I don't think.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I don't think Sean should have taken a shot at him,
but I think Russell's always been above that of punching back.
And I think Yesterday's like, I'm over it. I'm over it,
and I get it. The guys NC State, Wisconsin Seahawks,
Geno Smith, I get it. And with that, Joel Clatt,
(05:34):
the Voice of College Football, is joining us live. We'll
have the UCLA Indiana game, which is UCLA is a
crazy story.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean, it's so weird.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
They get rid of their coach and they have a
completely different vibe, feel energy and juice. For the record,
does UCLA have any chance? I mean, it's pretty interesting
what they're doing offensively. Do they have any chance to
compete with Indiana?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Well, I mean they're playing substantially better football and they
still have a five star quarterback. This is what I
find so interesting in college football right now is these
teams that maybe we don't think a lot of they've
got better players than they ever have because of revenue
sharing and nil and that talent has dispersed. So I
think more than any other year, I think that there
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are opportunities for a team like UCLA to go out
there and not only play with, but maybe even beat Indiana.
And it starts with their quarterback and he's got a
play well and their play caller Jerry Neuheisel. Now Tim
Skipper doesn't probably get enough credit for the way UCLA
has bounced back and played so well, totally different energy.
I think you're exactly right. But also these two coordinators
that they that they have. Jerry Neuheisel has really understood
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that he needs to teach the why to the concept,
and I think it shows on film when I'm watching UCLA.
It's drastically different with the way that they play in
terms of their urgency on offense. And you can only
do that if you understand the why, not just what
or how, but the why of.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
What's going on in the football field.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
So they're playing a lot better, but I will tell
you this is an uphill battle because this Indiana team
is very good. They're the only team in college football
right now in the top five in scoring offense and
scoring defense. They've got a top five pick at quarterback,
They've got experience on the outside. The defense has been sensational.
They can run it, they're balanced, and that's a tough
place to play. So you know, it's an uphill battle
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for UCLA.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So when Ohio State went and got Chip Kelly from
the NFL and Matt Patricia, it shows you the meshing
in college and pro football. I mean, Belichick going to
college not working. But there's a mesh. Now it used
to be there was pros they look down at college football.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, no, you're seeing.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
NFL guys steel offensive stuff. From college. You're seeing NFL
guys go I'll be a coordinator in college and make
a million bucks a year. But it's interesting. So the
outther thing that's happening to college football that has an
NFL field that nobody's talking about. It used to be
Ohio State, Michigan play. Oh, it's burr, it's cold. Then
you go play somewhere in Orlando. You go to a nice,
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sunny life location. The college football Playoff is very NFL.
You're gonna play in crappy weather. That wasn't the case.
So the best teams are now. Then I'm going to
go to the Rose Bowl. You know, goett to go
to Orlando all the time. And so I watched Notre
Dame this weekend and I want, Oh, Notre Dame is
built for December.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Notre Dame is not. They don't need DNTE more slinging
it fifty times.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I watched Notre Dame and I thought, every year we
watched this in the NFL, Joe Joel, there's two football
seasons pre Thanksgiving and post we want to college football
now is going to have a little bit of that feel.
And I watched Notre Dame Saturday and I'm like, I
would want no part of Notre Dame if they get
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to the playoff. Am I crazy? No, You're not crazy.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
In fact, I based an entire episode of my podcast
around this exact topic.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You can actually go out. It's out today.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
You should go over the Joel Plat Show on YouTube
and subscribe and check it out.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
And it's basically this.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
I went and with Chris bart Felka, so I brought
Bear on and we did a National Championship draft.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Colin.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
To your point, he proposed on a conference call, like, Hey,
how far would you get down the list if you're
just drafting teams all or nothing to win the national Championship?
How far would you get before you drafted Notre Dame?
And we all thought to ourselves, like, man, easily in
the top six, you know, and I know they're not
ranked right now up there in the top six because
of the two losses, But those two losses look a
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lot different. They look like a different team with a
quarterback that's maturing. Even though he played his worst game
against USC. I don't want to see that run game
with Jeremiah Love and Gineeran Price. Those guys can absolutely
handle the rock. So to your point, I think that
if I'm looking at the sport right now, I said
earlier in the year, there was ten teams that could
win the National championship. At one point I thought twelve.
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Now as I'm starting to really see this and evaluate it,
I know the playoff is going to be twelve. But
there are six teams that I'm like, you know what,
any given week, any given run through the playoff, these
six can win it all. And Notre Dame is one
of those. And I think you're spot on. They do
the foundationally things correct. When the line of scrimmage, run
the football. They can play good defense. They did it
against USC last week. And another thing that I would
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just say is that this sport still is dominated by defense.
As much as we watch in awe of great offensive play.
The last four national champions Georgia had the number one
defense in college football. Georgia had the number four defense
in college football, Michigan number one defense in college football,
Ohio State number one defense in college football. You still
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have to play great on defense if you're going to
go out there and win it all.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Hey, I want to ask you because you do work
for the draft, and so when college football and pro
football converge, and I think more than ever, I think
the playoff feels very NFL. The nil they're being paid,
the transfer portals even a whackier free agency than the NFL.
But college football today, in the last three years, feels
much more Sunday than Saturday. And I still love it.
(11:04):
But when I watched Jackson Dart with Kiffin, so I
always felt he's got a much better college coach than
ninety percent of the sport. I liked him, but he
was all over the map.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
It is weird to me.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I like him way more in pro football that I
liked him in college football, and I liked him in college.
But did you when you watch Jackson Dart, did you
think he was going to look like this goodness quickly
in the prom without a great team, without a great
old line.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
No, I mean if and by the way, if anybody
says that they saw this, they're they're lying because he
would have gotten selected a lot higher.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Than he did.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
You know like that, I like, that's an honest opinion,
And I did not see this coming from Jackson Dart.
I love that that New York And remember Mike Shanahan
did this for RG three early in his career at
at Washington, but he wanted to put his player in
position to succeeds. So what New York is doing offensively
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is tailored towards the skill set of Jackson Dart, and
that's really smart from Brian Dable.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
That's really smart.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Now.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I know that they just totally bombed out in the
fourth quarter against Denver, which was wild. Denver scores thirty
three in the fourth quarter in order to win that game.
But Dart and his skill set and the way that
they're using him, it's effective. And even though Sean Payton's
comments got then you know, pointed to Russ and we're
talking about everything else, what he initially said is absolutely correct.
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And I think you and I would both agree like
they have a different juice with Jackson.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Dart at quarterback, no question, Yeah, no question. So they're
not going to make the playoff. And I got into
this discussion the other day. I am often called a
USC homer. I resent it, but I live with it.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Everyone's wondering if you're going to go USC this week. Okay,
so I just listen.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
In the NFL, we've seen great play callers like Lane
Kevin and Mike McDaniel coach in the NFL. It's but
Lane was super young and McDaniel isn't really your classic alpha.
What we know in the NFL, is Harbaugh is not
a great scheme guy, Dan Campbell, Vrabel Tomlin is that
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in the NFL, you're hiring these are all millionaires in
the locker room. You're hiring an alpha a CEO. You'll
then you will give this schematic excellence. And there are
exceptions like Kyle Shanahan or Andy Reid to your coordinators,
but you are basically they called in the NFL a
walk around coach.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Jimmy Johnson's a walk around coach. He walks from.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Unit to unit to unit, inspiring, judging parcels.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
A walk around coach.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So you know, I look at USC in college, it's
a little different. You got to be a walk around coach.
But a lot of these guys they don't want to
call plays because they're really good at it and much
better than the average college coach.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Interesting, I see where you're headed with this, And.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So my take is I think Lincoln Riley as a
play designer and caller is a plus. How many years
do I have to watch USC get pushed around on
every road game before I don't have this opinion. He's
not a culture builder. He is a great, great intellect,
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But I'm watching them get pushed around by Illinois and
last year Maryland and last year Michigan and this year
Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
It's four years in. This is what they are as
a program. I do think it's getting better.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I mean we sat here and talked about how much
better it was getting against Michigan. I think Notre Dame
is just elite running the football. That's where Illinois exposed
to USC. But they are going to be better on
the defensive line next year than they have been this year.
Jakim Stewart, right is his name, the young kid like
he's a phenomenal player on the on the interior, I'm
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going to take it a different way.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
In college football. See I disagree with you at the premise.
I think in the NFL, scheme guys are rewarded and
walk around coaches aren't. Like scheme guys win Andy Reid,
Kyle Shanahan, those guys win. I think what Stichen is
doing right now, right Steichen in Indianapolis, it's very creative,
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it's great. It's great style. Like scheme guys win in
the NFL. What you don't see in college is scheme
guys and specifically play callers win at the top level.
In fact, we haven't seen a play caller win a
national championship since I think it was Jimbo Fisher, and
before that it was like Tom Osborne back in the nineties.
Like guys that are CEOs win in college football because
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the walkaround style is much more prevalent and needed. This
is why Ryan Day gave up his play calling duties.
That's his superpower, it's his cape on his back. So
he gave him up last year. Are we saying that
that basically? So what you're basically saying is it's a
walk around sport. Lincoln's not that great of a walk
around coach. I don't think so. I think the play callers,
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the Kiffins and the Sarks and the Lincoln Rillies of
the world, they need to look at a guy like
Ryan Day and think to themselves, you know what made
them have the ability to win.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
The national championship. I'll just say this.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
If Ryan Day called the plays last year and was
the coordinator to facto for Ohio State, I don't think
that they win the national championship. But it's not because
of his play calling. It's because he wouldn't have been
available to the defense after they got beat by Oregon
to go in and fix broken structures. I think that's
a man. He would talk about that openly and it
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was the reason why he decided to give up play
calling duties. Now you also have to be a GM.
You also have to raise a bunch of money and
do all of these things outside. And the level of
time and commitment it takes to not only formulate a
game plan but then become the play caller and study
to be the play caller. I don't know if you
can be a national champion and call the place in
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college football. Brent Viittibles is trying to do that on
the defensive side right now. Mike Elko is trying to
do that on the defensive side right now, and I
think it's too tough.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I look at your top ten. You have Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama.
I agree with that, Oregon A and M Georgia, Georgia Tech.
How about Georgia Tech, Miami, Notre Dame Vandy. I'd have
Notre Dame a little higher, but I don't. I don't disagree.
I gotta tell you something I am. I am rooting
for Kaylin de Boor and the reason I'm doing it
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is replacing a legend is really hard, and people forget
people go to Alabama. Nick Saban saw this coming. He
knew that he couldn't match up with Georgie's nil or Texas.
He knew it, and Nick said, I'm gonna quietly move
to television.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And he was smart.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He saw it, and Calin de Boor inherited a less
talented roster. They do not have a elite andil, I.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Think you're over selling this. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I don't think they have the money that. I mean,
USC spent an eighteen large. I don't think Alabama's got that,
do they.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Well, they have it through revenue share. You know, the
SEC has given them a large check. And if listen,
if you want to take Nick Saban at face value,
what he didn't like is that the day after they
lose to Michigan and the Rose Bowl, you know, players
are asking how much are you going to pay me?
And how much am I going to play? And he
didn't like those conversations as I don't know if it
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was a resource battle where like all of a sudden
he was scared or this or that. I don't think
he liked the nature of what the head coach was
going to have to do. Like, for instance, at Ohio
State last year, they win the national championship. The next morning,
in fifteen minute increments, they started meeting with every player
and their manager to talk about nil. I mean, that's
that's not fun, and I don't think Nick Saban wanted
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to do that.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Now.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I don't want to speculate on his account, but I
would just say this. I think Kaylin Debor is one
of the better coaches in the entire sport.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
His record proves that. Yeah, wherever he's been great.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
And he's got a quarterback right now in Ty Simpson
that I think has a really good chance to be
the number one overall pick. And when you got that, like,
you got a chance. I don't think their defense is great.
I don't think they run the ball, you know great,
but man like, this is a great quarterback, a proud tradition,
a good roster, and I think they're going to be
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really tough to beat. I think they would right now,
which is the reason I put him at number three.
Are my favorite in the SEC?
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
No, I think so too. They don't.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
They don't look as ferocious defensively, they don't look as
powerful or quite as big defensively as the Saban years,
but they don't have you know, it's a whole different
world now backups transfer. So yeah, don't be surprised if
Simpson's your number one pick, though, I mean it'll be
him and Fernando Mendoza will be looked at as that
number one pick.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
All right, And I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Gonna ask USC questions. I know they're uncomfortable for you.
I'm a journalist. They're always very comfortable questions for me.
It's just listen, after four years, you are what you are.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Don't you think you're Don't you think you're seeing a
trajectory that is different than what has been before.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Let's see, they go on the road. They can't beat Illinois,
and they can't beat Notre Dame. What's different? Uniforms the
same results, the same road. I mean it's the same
day on the road. Uniforms look the same. The offense
is clever and smart, that's the same. They get pushed around.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I think I think USC makes the playoff in the
in the next twenty four months.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Oh oh, standards kind of dropped, hasn't it.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
By year six?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean, I mean we're lating, We're not the we're
not march madness, but we could be up to eighteen
teams there pretty quick. Ope in the next twenty four months.
All right, Clad, it's good to see anybody.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
You as well, have a good day, dude. Yeah, maybe
you know.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
First of all, I don't want ping pong tables at work,
and I got higher standards than you get the USC job.
In year six you get into the playoffs. Oh, mister
crazy talk over here. My rule is, if you're at
work playing ping pong, you're a ding dong. You're not
going to management. I mean you can get go ahead,
hit it back and forth and have your dog at work.
(21:21):
All right, somebody's got to do the heavy lifting here.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I guess it's me.
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Speaker 1 (22:08):
So I was just informed the Kansas City Chiefs have
a ping pong table in their facility. Well that's why
I said when the year started, the dynasty's over. I mean, seriously,
why not just have beer, pong and toasts'mores in near facility?
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Come on, hold on.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
So the Chiefs got a new facility. They gave a
tour online. It has a ping pong table, shuffle board table,
barber's share, and a racing simulator. So the Kansas City
Chiefs fun ping pong, slash table, tennis fun.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Chiefs are four and three. Why not just hand out ayahuasca.
I mean, what's the point of going to work? I
mean barber shop. I totally get that. I get get haircuts,
totally get that. That's I don't want you wasting time
going to the barber.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Do it to the facility. Race car driving.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
You're just ruling with an iron.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You know.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
This is why I didn't go to Chicago this week
because I heard there's.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
No ping Pong Taale.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
I'm not going to Chicago to celebrate you and your
big week, your big honor.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Come on, J Mack with a news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
This is the Herd Line.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
News, Colin. More quarterback stuff going on around the league.
Are you ready for this? Jj? McCarthy not ready to go,
according to.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
The Minnesota Vikings, and they will start Carson Wentz. Once again,
Kevin O'Connell's sticking with Wentz.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
It's not like there's a controversy here. Wentz has not
been good. Here's Kevin O'Connell talking about keeping Carson Wentz
at quarterback. JJ.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
The medical staff, myself, we're all kind of encouraged about
where he's at and the progress he's making, but he's
just not there. And if this was a Sunday game,
maybe it would would be a little bit of a
different story. We wanted to have a plan at the
quarterback position, and it'll be very similar to last week.
Carson will start, Max will be the backup, and JJ
will be available in the case of emergency as the third.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Okay, I'm not gonna speculate, but the whole thing is weird.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
It Well, let me give you a little more context.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
So they have the Chargers followed by the Detroit Lions,
a divisional matchup that means a lot more than this
non conference one. And I think my guess is because O'Connor,
Remember he picked McCarthy over Sam Darnold.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
My guess is they believe a healthy McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Gives them a better chance to win an important game
against the Lions.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Huh oh November second, You buying that or.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I want to watch it. I've had my doubts from
the very beginning.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
This was the one quarterback in the draft lass I
didn't see as an NFL franchise quarterback. I'm not saying
he can't plan in the league, but I wouldn't build
around JJ McCarthy. That is how I project his career is.
You'll find out very quickly he's not a franchise guy.
Could be wrong, been wrong before. I loved Drake May,
I love Jayden Daniels, I love Caleb Williams, I love
bow Nicks.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I thought very.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Highly of Pennix, who's been hot and cold, but all
young quarterbacks are. But he was the one I had
doubts about, and he was the one that everybody told
me was going to be the star.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, that was the way.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Oh everybody, And I kept saying, folks, don't my eyes
don't lie. He made about one big throw a game
at Michigan. That's not the NFL.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
Jim Harbaugh remember was hyping in.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Jim Harbaugh obviously coaching the Chargers, probably happy to face
Carson Wentz week Do we have some Onz numbers on
the screen here?
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Colin?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Since taking over in week four, only one quarterback has
been worse.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Than him in quarterback in uh In.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Hasty still remains way too reckless what I mean?
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Yeah, and in the pocket he doesn't inspire confidence.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
I don't have a bet on this game Thursday. Chargers
are favored by three off that bad loss. I'll take
the Chargers.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, I'm with you. Chargers bounce back.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Next up, it's official, Jaden Daniels. I'm sorry, folks, Jayden
Daniels will not play on Monday against the Kansas City Chiefs.
It'll be the Marcus Mariota Show. The team just announced
earlier this morning. Dan Quinn, however, did say potentially good
news Terry mcclaurin, who we've been rumored that he's going
to return for three weeks. Now he's expected to play,
(26:01):
and Deebo Samuel should return as well. Now this is interesting.
The line has ballooned up to ten and a half.
I will preface this, you know when we candicap these games.
Next up for the Chiefs Buffalo Bills. Okay, that was
a team they lost to last year in the regular season,
beat in the AFC title game. Is there a chance
the Chiefs kind of sort of overlook Washington with a
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backup quarterback?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
And I think, listen these Thursday games. We just watched
the Bengals and Joe Flacco beat the Steelers.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Sorry, this is Monday night.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I'm go Monday and night. I don't bet ten and
a half.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I don't like these big, lobsided scores. I never bet him.
I never put him in blazing five. I just I
think ten and a half for a bunch of prideful
men is too many points. Chiefs playing the Bills, I
don't like it. I don't standalone games are weird. I
mean I watched Seattle and Houston play one of the
ugliest games of the year. I watched Baker struggle against
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the beat up Lion secondary I don't like these standalone games.
I don't like betting them a lot. I did like
Detroit in that game, but I'd stay away from me
ten and a half too many points.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
So we just watched Dak Prescott throw the ball literally
all over the field ceedee lamb at one hundred yards
at halftime. What is Patrick Mahomes who's been performing at
a high level with receive ris back? Now, what's Mahomes
going to do here? Like a Lottimore in company in
that secondary? They are not very Colin. I don't think
this is a playoff team this year.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
No, I don't think they are either. I think the
NFC is deeper than it's been half a decade.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Yeah, final story is the Raiders. Colin. Sorry to compound.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Bad news with bad news, but Ashton.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Genty is not very happy. Yeah, Colin.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
I was kind of sort of stunned at this quote
from Ashton Genty. Raiders are two and five, just got
humiliated by the Chiefs and listen to the rookie kind
of pop off here.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
How long work as hard as I do not to do.
I think anybody else's doing all this to lose like that.
Speaker 9 (27:57):
So if we're being honest, it's been you know, losing
culture on you for a long time. You know you
have to continue to work to fix that and bring
winning back.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
They got to get better at quarterback.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
That ain't happening well, And I'm finding a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Ain't no connolling walking through that door.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No, they're going to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
But Pete Carroll did say the door is open. Can
he Pickett? I don't know if he can kick it
down or if he's even.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
A can stick his foot in the door to keep
his first snap against the Chiefs, Colin, he fumbled it.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Now, this is interesting.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Zach on Staff is a big Raiders fan, and you
know the Raiders' offensive line can't open holes for GENTI.
Do you want to take a gander who the offensive
line coaches?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Carrol's son?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Yeah, you're not firing your son, are you?
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Now? I don't want to steal his thun.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
But I've told you I'm not a fan of that.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
That's the Belichick thing in Carolina, highest paid assistant family.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I'm not a big fan.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
So Colin, just winning, baby, just nepo baby.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Oh that's a good one. Did you come up that
one by yourself?
Speaker 7 (29:03):
That was Raiders fan Zach who's very angry, very perturbed
with the state of his Raiders right now.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, well you get a better draft pick. There's an
upside and a very rich quarterback. To Jmack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So NBA was fun last night. It was fun.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
The Warriors beat the Lakers. They had three months off.
It's an old team. But Steve Kerr is one of
the smartest guys in the league. He was a great player,
he was a good coach, he was a great broadcaster,
he was a GM. He is too smart to think
this Warrior team in the West is going to beat younger,
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more athletic Minnesota, younger, more athletic Oklahoma City, bigger, significantly Dallas.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Okay, I haven't even gotten to Denver in Houston, they're not.
I think. I think Joannis reports yesterday that he was
close to signing with the Knicks. Nicks don't have anything
to give him. I think the Warriors. This will be
my strongest take today. Have a plan and I'll tell
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you what it is next.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
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Speaker 7 (30:32):
Sunday on Fox, It's an NFC East rivalry as breakout
rookies Jackson Dart leads the Giants against Hertz Barkley and
the Eagles, or McCaffrey.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
And the Niners take on the Texans or other regional action.
Check local listings for the game in your area. Sunday
on Fox.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Giants Eagles is interesting because the Eagles are not getting
a pass rush, so you think to yourself, Okay, Jackson Dart,
you got lucky.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
The last time. Giants.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
To be honest, they did a pretty good job of
protecting jack Jackson Dart against the much better pass rush
in Denver. Eagles aren't getting a pass rush and they're
not dominating time of possession.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Eagles don't have an run game.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
At all, and so Jackson Dart's gonna get a lot
of possessions and a lot of time with the ball
and not face a ton of pressure unless the Eagles
finally consistently get a great pass rush. They haven't this year,
so there's a reason teams, all these teams hang around
the Eagles. They can score quickly over the top, but
they don't dominate time of possession. They get out gained
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and they don't create pressure. So I think the Giants.
If you watch the way the Giants play, they do
get pressure on the quarterback and scataboo and dart moving,
you can win time of possession.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
So unless so, now.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Maybe Philadelphia flips a magic switch, I think Giants could
beat them again. If you look at how the Giants
play and what the Eagles are, I think it's a
I think it's another close game. So there have been
several phases of the Golden State Warriors who beat the
Lakers last night. There was the pre KD phase splash brothers, Hey,
(32:09):
they won a title. And then there was the KD phase,
who that's unfair? Oh one titles? And then there was
the post KD phase that was the Andrew Wiggins team
beats Boston. You're getting titles with all of them, and
then you're all thinking, well, what about the Jimmy Butler phase. Now,
Jimmy Butler's a fling, He's not a phase, and I
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think it's time for the fling at the trade deadline
to end. And I love Jimmy Butler, but Steve Kerr
is too smart to think that thirty seven year old Staff,
thirty five year old Draymond, thirty six year old Jimmy Butler,
and now thirty nine year old Al Horford can compete
in the West.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
They can't. They can't.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
So last night game won three months off, they can't.
And what I would do, and I'm told you can
do it at the trade deadline. They will be able
to move these pieces at the trade deadline. I would
trade Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Kaminga and four first round picks
for Giannis and see if it's enough. Jimmy Butler played
(33:16):
at Marquette, so he's coming home and he's still a
lethal free throw shooter, big game performer. Jonathan Kaminga averaged
twenty a game last year when he didn't play with Steph.
He just they don't work that well together. Although when
he didn't play with Steph, he had some really nice nights.
And he's a better player today and he's only twenty
(33:38):
three years old. And then four first round picks and
first round picks are going to be more valuable than
they were the previous decade. This last draft, very domestic,
very good, twenty twenty six draft is supposed to be better.
Why two things are happening in college basketball. The best
players are staying in college longer because they get paid
now nil. So you get a better, older, more refined
(34:02):
player out of college. Draft picks for the last fifteen
years before that, Yeah, you're getting nineteen year olds.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Now you're getting twenty twenty one year olds.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
The second thing is the best European kids seventeen eighteen,
nineteen twenty, they're coming over and they're now American nil
money is buying them. The best young Spaniard, the best
young Croatian. They're ending up playing in college basketball. So
now you get to see more of them against the
domestic product.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Right, you don't have to kind of guess.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
So the draft, the NBA draft going forward should be
much meteor and less top heavy than previous years. So
four first round draft picks eight years ago pass four
first round draft picks now pretty good and kaminga who's
going to be My guess is he's twenty three. He's
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gonna end up being about a twenty four to twenty
five point game guy. If he went to Milwaukee and
Jimmy Butler and any Night can score twenty five, so
that that may not be enough. But Gannest is older,
had some injuries. But to me, Steve Kurz too smart
to think that, yeah, these old guys out on buy it.
I think Warrior tickets are expensive. As long as staff's around,
(35:18):
you know, they're fun. But the West is young, athletic
on the wing, great rim protectors everywhere.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
This is not it that that that.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Watching the Lakers and the Warriors last night. I mean
it's the Warriors are a little bit of an antique store.
It's fun to rummage around in.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
There a little bit. It's like, that's kind of nice.
I'd rather go to restoration hardware and get the new stuff.
Just me so.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
And I think I think the real piece in this
is whenever you make a trade, whoever gets the star
generally wins the trade. You know, Shaq goes Lakers to Miami,
Miami wins the trade. But if you can get four
draft picks a borderline, I mean in the East, Jonathan
kaminga twenty four a night in the in the East,
(36:06):
not in the West. In the East, is he an
all Star. He's gonna be much closer in our star
in the East than he is the wide. Not gonna
be an All Star in the West, but in the
East Kaminga twenty three, twenty four to twenty five a night.
Could he be maybe, but here he would be the
key in the piece. The four draft picks Kaminga and
Butler coming home. Steve Kerb, by the way, likes what
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he's seen this offseason from Cominga.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
I think he's really really matured. You know, he's had
a great camp. We've had some really good conversations. I
think he has a better understanding of, you know, what
we need. I think he just has a better sense
of what's needed now compared to past years. And I
think Jimmy has really helped him too.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
For the record, Kaminga is a better three point shooter
than you probably think so last year he's a forty
percent from three point land. He's a better three point
He's long, he's athletic. He can finish at the rim,
but he kind of looks lows sometimes playing with Steve Kerr.
But he can shoot threes, so you can three and
d him. I mean, he can play defense. He's a
two way player. He's twenty three, he got ten years
(37:14):
with him close to his prime. To me, He's the
centerpiece in the four draft picks, which are better picks
because Euros are now playing over here and our best
domestic players stay in college. One year longer, Cooper Flagg said,
I want to stay in college. He couldn't because he
was the number one pick, and if you're a number
one pick, you go to pro.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
But I mean, it's the college guys.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Now we are getting paid and they're in college and
they only play thirty games, big man on campus.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's fun.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Zakcheney played another year of college at Purdue and came
in and was a more refined player. Zacheny was way
better than everybody.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Thought he was going to be. So here's the NFL schedule.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
You know, these two Monday night games do not do
the schedule a ton of favors. I forced Jmack to
call an upset every week on Wednesday and Thursday. I
want the upsets. I've been on a bit of a heater,
you know, so I'm gonna let you go first kick
me the upset.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
So last week I had Titans. That's failed spectacular. That
was horrific. Thank you cam Ward for nothing. You know,
I do wonder if Carolina is frisky at home against
the Bills running sense. Also, the Bills have the Chiefs
on deck. You wonder if they're looking ahead but coming
off a buy.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
I guess for now, can I go Bears? Since there's
still dogs and Lamar? Now, Lamar did jog out to
the practice field. We just got video. We'll talk about
it next hour. His first practice field trips in September
twenty eighth. I don't think he's playing, so then, I
don't know how much.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Of an upset it is. So why don't we go.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
Back to the well with my New York Football Jets.
No Sauce Gardener, no Garrol Wilson. I'm kidding, do not
bet the Jets. Let me throw one at you, those cowboys.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
I'm going to qualify as an upset if the Pittsburgh
Steelers beat the Packers.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
What's the line? Three and a half?
Speaker 7 (38:58):
No, that's not I mean, I'll give it to you,
Tomlin raw Ross spot.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
We're underdogs. Nobody believes in US Sunday Night football.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Okay, Mike Tomlin's history at home as a dog, he's
been good in these games. You give him a little
more prep time. Don't put them on Thursday you put
them on Sunday night, you put them on Monday night.
You have Tom a little extra prep time, a little
late Sunday night at home, Aaron Rodgers. They also were
humiliated by Cincinnati. The defense was atrocious. I My favorite
(39:31):
underdog bet of the week on the card is Pittsburgh
plus three and a half.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Yeah, almost six teams on a bye man. This is
so frustrating.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Damn anyead you did Titans Colts. That's fourteen and a
half colin. No, it's the weakest NFL schedule today. It's
not a great but you know how the one o'clock
window works. You watch San Francisco Texans and Giants Eagles
beat great, great games.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Well, now the Eagles better smash them. This is a
revenge spot.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
The Eagles don't smash anybo They can't when you don't
generate a pass rush and you allow quarterbacks to be comfortable.
In this league, I'm sorry. You're not blowing people out
like Buffalo can't stop the run. You can't blow people
out if they can control the clock. I think the
Eagles I could be wrong on this. I think they've
been out gained in every game.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
It's insane leading.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Into Minnesota they were. I don't remember the final stats,
but all right.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
A final hour coming up. Feisty today, no ping pong
tables at work
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