Colin Cowherd reacts to the stunning fallout from the FBI’s investigation into illegal sports betting and underground poker games that led to the arrests of Trail Blazers head coach Chauncey Billups and Heat guard Terry Rozier. Colin breaks down what this means for the NBA and the league’s integrity
Then, Colin turns to the NFL to discuss the Minnesota Vikings’ latest loss to the Los Angeles Chargers — and why the team’s quarterback situation has turned into a full-blown crisis
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part of your day. So yesterday, before the show, there
was the massive scandal eleven states thirty people gambling scandal
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heard around the NBA. Now the poker scandal, there's far
more people involved, but the NBA's let's be.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Honest about the NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's a big global target, right And I read everything
over the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You can read.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I got up at four in the morning and I
read for two and a half hours. The interesting part
everybody's talking, Chauncey Billups and Terry Rosier. Damon Jones, part's fascinating.
He was an unpaid member of the Lakers staff under
Darvin Ham no longer is friends with Lebron James. I
don't believe Lebron knew anything. I'm sure of it, but
he was found to be texting accusations right that he
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is saying, you know, bet Milwaukee beg tonight because Lebron
James had a bad Anklin was gonna miss games. And
part of that text was and enough so d Jones
can eat too. Keep your eye on Damon Jones and.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
All of this.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
But I want to I want to remind people of this,
not to be a wet blanket for all you fatalists.
But if you go back to the nineteen ninety three
NBA Finals Phoenix Suns, Michael Jordan and the Bulls, Bulls won,
and then Michael went to baseball after the headline of
that series wasn't mj against Barkley. Headline of that series
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was Michael Jordan and gambling talk. In fact, the series
before when they faced the Knicks, he admitted he was
in Atlantic City the night before one of the games.
And Michael Jordan was the face of the NBA. He
was the most globally recognized athlete in the world, and
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people said oh, it was just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah,
And the NBA survived, and it doesn't have nearly the
money cashe or power. They just signed an eleven billion
dollar deal. They were in the hundreds of millions. Right
now it's billions, and it was Michael Jordan and now
it's Damon Jones, Terry Rozier, Chauncey Billups. So I think
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the NBA will survive. You know, people say it's the
tip of the iceberg, and sometimes the tip of the
iceberg is an ice cube and not much more than that.
Uncle Colin is going to impart some wisdom here briefly.
In eighteen seventy six, one of my favorite years, frankly,
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the National League was formed in baseball. Eighteen seventy six,
the National League's formed. Do you know their first betting scandal.
Let's see, one year later, eighteen seventy seven, Baseball's doing fine.
They just signed a billion dollar contract too. By the way,
the FBI wasn't even around there. The guy who founded it,
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Jadgar Hoover, wasn't born yet. One year into the National
League in eighteen seventy six, I don't think Fan Duel
was around then.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I'm just guessing, and you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Had a betting scandal, the mob athletes bad judgment. I mean,
the craziest thing on all this. I didn't know Lakosa
Nostra was still a thing. I honestly thought it was
maybe a name of a restaurant in you know, somewhere
in New York, Columbus, Columbia Circle or something.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I'm like, LaCOSA Nostra. I watch Goodfellas, It's over.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I saw the final episode, the final scene they went
to black that Tony Soprano survive. It's over right, all
the wire tap, John Gottie.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
No, Apparently they were like eleven guys LaCOSA Nostra involved.
So listen.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Sports leagues have rules, and sports leagues warn their athletes
and coaches and scouts and execs, and they warned them.
But the great thing about America is we have all
these freedoms and people have the right to ruin their life.
People make really bad choices. Chauncey Billa, Damon Jones, Terry Roseer.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Dummies, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Give one hundred million in earnings again, keep your eye
on Damon Jones. But go back to eighteen seventy six
in the National League a year later. Gambling issue go
back to Michael Jordan nineteen ninety three, face of basketball globally.
It's not going anywhere. It's not going anywhere. NBA is
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going to survive. Some say it's the tip of the iceberg.
Tim donaghy told me his was the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It wasn't. I was told Michael Jordan was the tip
of the iceberg? Was it?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But Colin gambling wasn't legal? Well, I actually like legal
gambling because it goes from the unregulated markets to now
regulated markets with transparency and rules.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It should be noted that.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Terry Roseer issue was spotted within six hours.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
The NBA knew about it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
The NBA thought it was apparently not worth pursuing much.
The FBI did. But I like all the transparency. I
like legalized gambling. Vegas doesn't want cheats. The NBA doesn't,
the sports books don't, the FBI doesn't. The NBA will survive,
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whether it's the tip of the iceberg or not. So
I'm watching the Chargers last night play the Vikings. In
My takeaway by about the third quarter is they're actually opposites.
The Chargers and the Vikings are opposites, and not just
because they're in different conferences. The Chargers love their quarterback.
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All they hope is that his teammates around him can
occasionally stay healthy. But they know he's the north star,
he's the franchise. He is the bedrock for fifteen years.
He is worshiped in the building. The Vikings love all
their players around the quarterback, but have no idea who's
going to lead him the.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Next ten years.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
They flirted with Aaron Rodgers, they settled for Carson Wentz.
They had Daniel Jones in the building. They wanted to
keep Darnold but wouldn't pay for him. So whatever's happening
with JJ McCarthy. The messaging is weird and he's never available.
So quarterbacks stabilize a franchise. So last night the Chargers
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finally get Joe alt back.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
What a shocker.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
They can run on the left side, what a shocker.
The blitz packages by the Vikings didn't work. So the
Vikings love their coach and their defensive coordinator and their
left tackle and their weapons, and the Vikings love everything
around the quarterback, but the franchise has It's not stabilized
because they don't know what's going on with JJ McCarthy.
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The Chargers are the opposite. They've got the most important
part of this league quarterback won coach two and they're
both going to be there for as long as they
want to foreseeable future decade if they want. Harball may
retire eight to nine and Jim's got great energy.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
They just can't keep anybody healthy for any extended period.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So as I watched last night, a thousand out of
a thousand times, I would take the Chargers situation. They're
making Justin Herbert throw more than any quarterback in the
league because that's what they have right now. And slowly
but surely, Joe Alt came back and they were good.
But the Chargers know the truth in this league is
that Joe Burrow got to a super Bowl with a
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battle line. Justin Herbert doesn't need both tackles. He won't
have Slater this year. Just give him Joe Alt and
they can blow out anybody at any time. And here
is Jim Harbaugh after the win.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Joe makes a huge difference. He's a great player, and
I would say in his leadership and eight healthy guys
out there is you know, I've been a challenge but
I think we're gonna be better for it. I know
that because we're gonna have guys that are battle tested.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Just to give you a sense, I've always said, once
you get your head coach quarterbacks, the most important person
left tackle is next than a pass rusher. Look at
this Joe Altz impact on the Chargers. When he's on
the field, they're four and oh if he starts and
finishes a game, and Herbert is a pro bowler.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
When he's not, Herbert.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Is okay and throwing fifty five times a game with
a passer rating in the eighties. So quarterback, left tackle,
somebody to rush the passer, and a weapon or too.
It's just that the Chargers have struggled outside of the
quarterback and the coach to have anybody available on Thursdays
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or Sundays or Mondays. Last night, and look look how
easy it looks. J Rachel Nichols will talk more. She's
really really all dialed in on this NBA stuff, which
is I mean, I'm sure like you, I listened to
two podcasts this morning one last night, read everything I could.
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I've just I think one of the things I've always
loved is watching documentaries and I've watched over the years
tennis scandals and NBA stuff, and go back to the
Black Sox scandal in baseball, is that this is never
going away. The mob gambling, poor judgment athletes. I think
it's part of the athlete spirit. Some of them they
just like juice, they like energy, like being in the game,
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and poker games have been going on forever. The Chauncey
Billups accusations are he was in on it, they were rigged,
and he knew it. If that is true, the sentence
will be highly punitive. But I do think we live
in a time where people on the internet are very fatalistic.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Everything's the worst thing ever. And the only advantage to
being sixty is you've seen everything happen four times. And
I don't think a lot of our audience remembers the
ninety three finals Sons MJ.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
The talk.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I can remember at one point in David Stern's career,
Bob Costas interviewed.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It got incredibly testy.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Because Bob the journalist was pressing him on the gambling
stuff and Stern, who was a combative fighter, the late
great David Stern, And I don't know if it was
that finals or not, but Bob felt it was necessary
and he was right to press him on the gambling stuff.
And remember that predates large, you know the Supreme Court ruling.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So I can remember the.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Interview with Costas and Stern whenever it was and it
was highly combative. So the reality is this stuff and
that just think about that. It's hard to explain. We
didn't have all this social media stuff. Michael was very private,
so when you were hearing things about Michael, a lot
of it was innuendo.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Innuendo.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Michael acknowledged he was in Atlantic City during the Knick
series before the Sun's Bulls finals.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Imagine that today.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah, well that's the problem. Like you said, fatalistic. A
lot of these people on the internet today are like,
this is absolutely reprehensible. The integrity of the league is compromised.
That is so overblown. It's not even funny, Like this
is not going to change anything. Last night's games pretty incredible, Warriors, Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Go overtime, Like this is an Is this an isolated incident,
Colin or do you think this is rampant throughout the night.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think it's I think the poker games have been
going on in New York City, especially forever.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
By the way, thank you staff. The costest interview was
during the ninety three.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Finals, So yeah, I mean, Bob was centerpiece on that
and it was very appropriate. It was big Jay journalism.
That's before we started handing out Big Jay Journalism awards.
Bob would have certainly won. And it was a poignant,
well crafted, spirited debate and appropriate for the time. So
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I just think I've just lived through all of this stuff.
And again, I covered UNLB basketball when one morning the
Las Vegas Review Journal had a picture of Richard the
Fixer Perry in a hot tub with David Butler, Moses Gurry,
Anderson Hunt for the record. Great guys, I mean, the easiest,
most fun group of young athletes to ever cover, especially
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Scurry and Anderson Hunt.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
And so I've been around this forever.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
What about Calvin Ridley a year or two ago betting
in the NFL. They have to suspend him, Like this
happens everywhere. Let's not freak out, Colin. Would you agree
that it feels like if you already did not like
the NBA, you're going all in bassingly, and if you
like the NBA, you're like, Okay, Chauncey Billups. If he's
going and leaking information at poker games, yeah, he's an idiot.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
He's going to be done.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
But if he's just talking about it, not thinking that
these guys are actionable, he's probably gonna skate. I don't
know what's gonna happen, but I think you and I agree,
Chelsea Phillips.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Probably not gonna be coaching this year for Portland.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, no, I think Chauncey, according to the accusations, is
going to be in a bit of trouble. I do
think Damon Jones is the one to keep your eye on.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
He's not even in the league now, I don't think right.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
He was a bounce around guy, very well liked. He
was friends with Lebron and again they're gonna be people.
I can assure you Lebron's not involved in this stuff.
I just he's of course not. But I mean that
doesn't mean you can't have a friend.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Well, Damon Jones is texting gamblers? You know, get d
Jones paid or whatever?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
This right?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Like, come on as it's amateur hour, dude, you're dumb. Yeah.
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Listen. The Dodgers are historic. They are tied for the.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Most World Series appearances five by any National League team
ever in a nine year span. They are in the
playoffs now thirteen straight years. That's one shy of a
baseball record. The only team in baseball history to have
MVPs batting one, two three in the everyday lineup. O
Tani Betson Freeman, so I said, as the World Series
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starts tonight, if the Dodgers win this series, number one,
they're officially a dynasty, and number two, I'd argue they're
the greatest team, most talented team ever. You say, Colin,
what about the regular season, folks, They don't care about it.
They're gonna make the playoffs. They overwhelming with talent. What
they do with the Dodgers. If you get injured during
the season, they.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Don't risk it. There is no rush back. They'll push
you to September.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And the Dodgers treat their players and stars like a
great teacher teaches treats her students. They're not going to
hound you on attendance, be great on the final and
that's how the Dodgers look at it. And this is
a new phenomenon. By the way, the Dodgers have to
enforce series. To be World Series champs, Mickey Mannle had
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to win four games, So I have no problem saying
the accomplishment is really impressive. The Phillies are stacked, the
Blue Jays are stacked, The Brewers were unbelievable. Even the
low budget Reds have a superstar player. So I'm not
taking anything away from Cal Ripkin and the iron Man streak.
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But it's almost like work smarter, not harder. You know,
Ripkin's got one World Series title. Most kids today and
most you know, psychologists. They're like, yeah, you probably shouldn't
work eighty hours a week. You should have a life, right,
But baseball used to take great pride in you play
through an injury. That's not smart. That's not what the
Dodgers do. The Dodgers are, you're banged up, we'll see
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as September twenty third. And what they've assembled here, it's
just really unique. I mean, they're a little like Kevin
Spacey and usual suspects. They're limping around, not a threat.
Then you look up and you're like, oh, wait, to
the mastermind of the whole sport, here's a team that
had no bullpen bullpen nightmares. Now you're like, can't string
together hits right against the back end. So, I mean,
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we looked at the Dodgers one way in the regular season,
and all of a sudden, you look at them now
and you're like, they're dominating Milwaukee, they're blow past Philadelphia.
So tonight they're six and zine in game ones dating
back to last year, they're favored tonight. Here's what scares
Dave Roberts. Here's his concerns about the Blue Jays.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
They're really athletic. I think that you mentioned Springer, who's
a big game player. He's on a heater right now,
had a great you know, last couple of months. That
guy right there, Vladimir scares the heck out of me.
And they're just a greedy group. They're very similar to
our club, and they're tough. I think Ross Atkins, I
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think Marsha Piter. They've done a great job with his club.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, I mean, you have to look at the Dodgers differently.
They do not attack it concerned about Ironman streaks. And
that doesn't mean what cal Ripkin accomplished isn't amazing, but
it's different now. The analytics have changed it and the
priority for the Dodgers. Blake Snell is a great example.
What did he have eleven regular season starts and then
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he's Sandy Kofax in the postseason. You know, Dave Roberts
told me yesterday. They on Rokie like they they're trying
to figure out what to do with him because they're
starting pitching with good What do we do with him?
And then they sit down Andrew Friedman, pitching coach Dave Roberts,
they go to him, Hey, we've got a movie of
the pen.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You okay with that?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
He's like, absolutely, So, it's just different. Baseball is faster today,
it's smarter today. I think it's gonna be a really,
really good series. And I do think if the Dodgers win,
having dominated and swept the Reds, dominated, swept, the Brewers
soundly beaten the Phillies, if they do the same to
a Blue Jays team that cruised through the Yankees, there's
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an argument greatest team ever.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Top to bottom. Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
News, No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
This is the headline news, all right, Colin NFL Friday.
We got big news for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And that's AJ Brown.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Colin did not practice Wednesday, did not practice Thursday.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That's not great.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
If you usually don't practice Thursday, you got major problems.
If he's not on the practice field today, I would
assume A J.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Brown's not gonna go. But it gets a little more muddled.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
So he posted something earlier this week on Instagram. I
didn't catch it because I don't follow a J. Brown,
but he wrote a caption using me but not using me.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Now I'm not sure what he's talking about.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
It's weird for somebody to go on social media and
complain when you just had your best game.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Of the season against the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Yeah, I'll be honest. Like the Giant secondary's banged up,
there's an opportunity here for aj Brown to cook.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I don't know if he's gonna play or not.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
This is not part of my blazing five. The wise guys,
a lot of them. This is a really wonky week
for numbers. A lot of wise guys like Philadelphia as
a touchdown favorite, and their take is Giants don't beat
the Eagles twice in one season, and so you know,
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I've kind of jamacked. I have stayed away from Philadelphia
all year because how do I judge a football team
that can have the worst half by any offense in
the sport and then in the second half score twenty
eight points in dominate time of possession. So they've been
out gained in every game. I think they've got coaching
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riddles to solve, and I think it's going to be competitive.
I'll take the Eagles, but half to half.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I have no idea what Philadelphia's offense produces. I have
no idea.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yeah, I think this also comes down to the defense
brought Burns not practicing a debo.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
They're good cornerback not practicing.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Giants a little banged up and mentally, Colin, how is
New York handling that collapse against the Broncos?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
That was historic stuff? Thirty three points in the foot quarter.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Great.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
You saw Burns go into the locker room yelling, why
the hell are we rushing three?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know Jackson dart mentally, man, I don't make that mistake.
We win.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
They cut the kicker, then they bring him back to
the practice squad.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Because they needed a.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Backup kicker or whatever. So the Giants are a bit
of a mess, but this a j Brown thing. Without him, Colin,
their offense is basically played in the shoe box. And
Saquon Barkley, I think you're going to talk about it
a little more. He's definitually like three point four yards
of carry this week the most popular NFL narrative. What's
wrong with Sakuon Barkley? All off season? You and I
talked about this. He had like four hundred touches last year.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Look at his playoff. You can't bounce back from that.
So I have some concerns.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I think the Eagles are a great teaser bet take
them down to win by one. You know, if they
lose this game, this opens the door for Dallas. If
you guys want the Dallas Cowboys, I do you think
they can win the division? Right now is the time
to bet it. Because they beat the Broncos and the
Eagles lose. Column, we've got a huge situation in the
NFC East. Right, Let's move on to brock party. You know,
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it's funny you haven't taken any shots at Brock Purty
lately because he's not playing. Yeah, I mean, he's only
played two games this season. GM John Lynch broke down
where things stand with their fifty five million dollar quarterback.
Speaker 8 (22:48):
He's doing a really good job. We're taking the appropriate measures.
What I can tell you is he gets better each week,
each day. I do think we're getting closer to him
returning a hard timeline, because it's kind of a field
thing we're getting. We do know that. I think this week,
in particular last week, I think we made some progress
and so that has Brocking couraged, It has everyone encouraged.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I think what has been established clearly is that mac
Jones is a younger reclamation project. Baker was older, Darnold
was older. Daniel Jones and Mac Jones are both starting
quarterbacks in the NFL. How great are they? I don't know.
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But Matt gets a great coach and then Daniel Jones
gets a great old line, great weapons, and a very
good coach.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
But I think we have to be honest now.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
As much as we were critical of Mac and Daniel Jones,
they are starters in the NFL. Not saying top ten,
I'm not saying top twelve, but they are starters. Daniel
Jones makes too many good throws and Mac Jones behind
a very average offensive line with no Iyuk and no
Kittle and no Piersall. They are are a very good offense,
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not great, it's a good offense.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Good.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
So the problem is they run into what potentially is
an elite defense. So one of the big mismatches this
week is the trenches the Texans defense getting after Mac Jones.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
He's not exactly mobile. Okay, we saw Sam Darnald.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I know the Seahawks won that, but you Donald did
not look great in that game.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
No, I'm also worried about the Texans. Did you see this?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Nico Collins still not practicing concussion, Christian Kirk not practicing hamstring?
So who's CJ Stroud thrown to I want Texans here.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I haven't bet it yet, but I think I'm on Houston.
Do you have a play on this one.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I like Houston. I think it's low scoring. The Niners
after wins can stumble the last couple of years, and
I'm I'm I think you just hit on it. Mac Jones.
Lack of mobility against this defense. I think it's going
to be low scoring.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, I would tend to agree. Final story, Colin.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
I know there's a lot of gambling NBA stuff happening,
but the actual product.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Has been tremendous. Yeah. So there were two amazing games
last night.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Both went overtime, and the Steph Curry show was unbelievable.
So Aaron Gordon had fifty collins. He hit eight straight.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Threes to open the game. I was stunned.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
I didn't know we could do that. But Steph Curry
beat him. He had forty two points, including sixteen straight
late in the game in overtime. Here's Draymond Green on
Steph Curry dropping forty two.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
He loved a moment.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
That's just who he's been since I've known them. You know,
the bigger the moment, the more he rises. But He's
this quiet guy. You know, we all know Steph like
right how he is. But he loved a show, I think,
you know, and so anytime it's the show to be
put on, he's going to do it. And you know
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he did that tonight in a major way.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
When you watched that game, Oh, there was so much
talent on the floor. People forget Gordon was a defensive
player when Orlando had him, and then he goes and
he plays with Jokic and you just forget how many
big games and big baskets he's had. I think Gordon's
one of the more underappreciated guys in the league. But
he was like a top four or five pick. He's
a huge, long, great athlete. He has developed into a
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pretty pretty good shooter.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Look at that in transition, just pull up three. So
this was interesting.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I don't know if you notice this, but Jamal Murray
the late game superstar for DEVA.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
They put Draymond Green on him.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Late and I was like, ooh, that's a smart little
wrinkle from Steve Kerr.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
There were so many good wrinkles.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Now I do have some Nuggets fans, friends, Yes, I
gets some NBA fans everywhere and they are so upset
with the coaching down the stretch. Where was Cameron Johnson
or big free agent. I'm like, it's game two, guys,
can we settle down? Everybody's tinkering, But.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I'll say game Gordon is a fascinating player because he
comes into the NBA as an athletic long defender. Last
year forty three percent from threes, and a lot of
that's because you have to double Yo kich yep, and
so Gordon steps back. He used to shoot mid range
and drive and slash steps back. He has become a
lethal three point shooter.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, it's it is interesting you bring that up. You know,
he was drafted to Orlando, Like you said, top five.
I think he went fourth overall. He's our savior. He's
not a savior.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
He's an amazing and incredible number three. Oh, he's the Joe.
He's the best three in the league. Yeah, A KD. Yeah,
I mean, Amen Thompson maybe is a man Gordon. Gordon's
better probably well Sengoon, I mean, Lean's the one.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Kd's the two. Amen Thompson for the time being the three.
But Gordon and a men Thompson would be the best
threes in the league.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, and I know some NBA fans. You guys never
give the thunder credit. We're talking SG a second hour. Uh,
he had like a fifty burger last night.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
It ain't positive, but make sure you stick around for
next hour SG. Jay Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So it is a there's a couple of games this weekend.
I can't wait to watch the one that's that's really fascinating.
And let me ask you this question. What are we
to make of the Cowboys? Are they legitimate? So they
beat the Jets, Giants, and the Commanders without a fully
healthy Jadan Daniels, they tied the Packers, they almost beat Philly,
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and then they lost a fourth quarter lead the Carolina
and got smoked by the Bears.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
What are they Sunday?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Is true, serum, Denver's got a great coach and a
great old line and a great defensive front. And Denver
does not allow passing touchdown and Dak's been on a heater.
So the answer will be provided Sunday. No Jets or
Giants here. The Denver Broncos defense little better than Carolina's.
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So in my opinion, legitimate playoff teams can win on
the road, and the Cowboys this year have not been
great on the road, and Dak's been great, but he'll
have to be sensational Sunday. To me, this is the
truth serum game for the Cowboys because they beat the
Jets and Giants and the Wabbly Commanders, they tie the
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Packers almost feat Philly, and then they get housed by
the Bears and lose a fourth quarter lead to Carolina.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What are they?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Dak's good, I don't question that. Here's what concerns me
about the Cowboys, Dak's career versus playoff teams on the
road eight and seventeen. Now, Denver made the playoffs last year.
I'm projecting they're a playoff team this year. And if
Denver is a playoff team, and I think their coach,
their roster, it's a playoff team to me. Dak and
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the Cowboys have not been great in this spot. And
Dak talked about facing an elite secondary with a Pro
Bowl level corner and safety and this pass rush.
Speaker 10 (29:50):
Credit and respect to them. It's a little bit of both. Obviously,
they know that they go hand in hand for them.
Right corners can be a little bit more aggressive, sit
a little bit more play the routes and knowing that
they're getting home on defense at with just their rush
and leaning the league in sacks right dominating on third down.
So a lot of credit, a lot of respect for them.
Just continue to go in there and play my game.
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Uh starts with beating the pass rush and when you've
got the receivers. I do have a confidence in them
to win.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So my take is the head coach, the offensive line, defense,
huge significant edges toward Denver quarterback clear advantage.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Dallas.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Both have really good weapons. Cowboys are probably better. But
if you can give me a much better coach, a
much better o line, and is significantly better defense and
they're at home, could it get ugly for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
It's one of my Blazing five picks.
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Speaker 5 (30:54):
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Speaker 3 (31:03):
Game one of the World Series. Coverage begins tonight at
seven Eastern on Fox. Yeah, I guess you know.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I did so much reading last night on the Chauncey
Billup stuff and the Damon Jones. If you go back
to when Chauncey Billups was hired, there was a story
regarding him and personal conduct that was troubling, and uh,
maybe we've all been fooled this entire time. There are
people like that Blazing five top of Next Hour. Yeah,
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I mean I always thought as a player, he was
a very thoughtful guy. But you know, it's it's one
of those things where you can think a person's a
certain way, then you hear a story about him, and
then the damn breaks a few years later. And there
are people I always, I always feel like the truth
does come out with everybody. But there are people out
there that are, you know, it's almost sociopathic, that are
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good actors and they can put on one face and
be another person. So these are just accusations. But the
Chauncey Billups stuff is initially was hard to wrap my
brain around. And I listen to people I respect and
trust and I just can't.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I can't believe it. Of course I can. It's bad judgment.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Lebron James, Damon Jones, our friends were Lebron generally hangs
out with smart people. You ever, you ever see those
things like those White House photos. You'll see like a
president with their arm around somebody and that person's like
a convict, and it's been happening, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
For fifty sixty years. You just don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You don't know what happens when people leave work and
you don't know. You think you know, you don't know,
So you know, Justin I always root for Justin Herbert
because you know, whenever I hear this about a player, well,
I mean he's never won a playoff game. Well, Dan
Marino didn't win a Super Bowl and Charles Barkley didn't
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win an NBA finals, And those are two of the
best athletes I've ever seen. Matt Stafford had no playoff
wins twelve years in Detroit, and Sean McVay, of all
the quarterbacks in the league, said, I want that guy.
I want him so much, I'll pay a salary, and
I'll pay Jared Goffs too. He'd never won a playoff game.
Smart people can predict and project. Any dummy can say,
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well that guy's good, he's got four rings. It's too late.
The way to get value. The way to beat the
market is to be ahead of the market. Sean mcvay's like,
I know he's never won a playoff game. I'm going
to take him, pay for his salary and GOFFS and
trade him and give you a bunch of draft picks.
It worked out, and so you know you want to
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beat the market. You don't want to chase the market.
And nine sports fans are chasing stuff or telling you
the obvious. So every EXECU I've ever talked to, every
coach I've ever talked to that I've ever asked about
Justin Herbert, they're all like, he's like top four or
five quarterback in the league. There are sundays he's outside
of mahomes the best. Trevor Lawrence beat him in a
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playoff game. I've never talked to an exec that would
take Trevor Lawrence over Justin Herbert. Never forget. Rex Grossman
got to a Super Bowl. Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl.
So last year brought purty as his team was all
beat up physically. Brock perty went six and nine. Well,
there was a lot of injuries six and nine, and
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Brock is a good quarterback. This year Herbert's five and
three with similar issues. Nobody's healthy. That's a great quarterback.
So I mean the defensive coordinator from Minnesota, Brian Flores,
is maybe the best defensive coordinator in the league and
was sending blitz packages from the very first snap. And
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yet the Chargers never punted last night and were nine
for thirteen on third down with only one of their tackles.
So justin, Herbert against blitz packages last night was thirteen
to fifteen, one hundred and twenty three point five passer
rating against blitz packages. So you know, and here's the
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thing about being able to see the truth before production,
is that Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Won the NBA championship. Do you really know why?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Because their GM Sam Presty, saw the greatness of SGA
before the Clippers did. That's why you're not winning that
title without SGA. Sam Presty's like that skinny guy from
Kentucky who may have been the second best guy in
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his college team that is going to be a star.
Beat the market. Sam Presty didn't follow the market. If
you follow the market, you never get value with anybody. Now,
you don't get value in the end when you have
to pay SGA. But if you want to get value
on quarterbacks and left tackles and star players, you've got
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to be ahead of the market, not trailing it and
copying it. Right, you want to set the trend, not
be part of the avalanche of the trend. And here's
harball last night on Herbert's ability to beat the Blitz
over and over.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Last night.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
He was really doing a tremendous job seeing the field,
and which he always does. I mean, it's so rare
that he doesn't he doesn't see it or read it,
or know the exact coverage and where to go with
the ball, and then when it you know it's all covered.
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I mean, he he did another great job tonight running
and picking up first downs with his athleticism. He's just
another stellar performance by Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
You know, it's interesting if you go back to the
Clipper ok C trade. The Clipper saw what Paul George was,
good player. Okay, see Sam Presti saw what SGA could be.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Who did better.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
One team now runs the lead right at least for
the last twelve months. So you know, it's easy to say, well,
somebody had to find Derek Jeter when he was skinny
and couldn't hit the curve. That's what scouting's all about.
It's about seeing stuff before it happens. And nobody's perfect
on this stuff, and nobody expects you to be perfect,
but you know it's you know these people that are
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out there.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well, he doesn't won a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Go look at his coaches before Harball and just just
just doesn't mean he was great in that playoff disaster
last year. But he's a special kind of player. Blazing five.
Top of the Hour Rachel Nichols. Next Hour, Aaron Rodgers
goes back. He gets to face the Packers. It'll be
in Pittsburgh, which I think is a really interesting game.
We can put the schedule up. I don't think it's
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a massive upset weekend. I like the favorites. It's it's
you know, as the season goes on, the weather gets worse.
Sometimes I just lean on the best quarterback. Like for instance,
I'm just gonna my guess is Josh Allen beats the
Panthers and that Baker Mayfield with an injury ravaged team
beats the Saints. The tricky games are when you don't
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have your star quarterback. I'm gonna take Jalen Hurts at
home to beat Jackson Dart. It feels like a favorite
weekend and a quarterback weekend because now you get to
a point where everybody's got rosters that are incomplete. Everybody's
injury ravaged, right it's week eight, Week nine, Week ten,
week eleven. Then some of your stars get healthy again.
In those injury ravaged weeks, star quarterbacks like Herbert are
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better than average quarterbacks like Carson Wentz overcoming depleted rosters.
So this weekend there are a lot of depleted rosters.
In most instances, I'm just gonna take the better quarterback.
I do think Aaron and green Bay. I don't think
it's hostile, but it is tasty. You like Green Bay
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and that one j Mac.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
You know, I want to take Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
They've let me down. So the first two weeks of
the season they were lights out. Remember beat Washington beat Detroit,
handily covered both. Everybody's been on Green Bay. I don't
think they've covered a game since, and so I've been
on a couple of those. So I'm a little reluctant,
But you know what, I'm probably gonna end up going
in on the Packers. I just don't believe in the
Steelers defense at all, and I think the Aaron Rodgers
stuff is overblown against bad teams.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
You know, something just popped into my head.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
We were talking about being able to see the greatness
of Matt Stafford before he won a playoff game, or
seeing the greatness of SGA. There's an old p video
the late Bobby Knight was asked about Michael Jordan, remember
this before he was in the NBA, and Bobby Knight said,
he's the most competitive player I've ever seen. He is
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the best athlete I've ever seen play basketball. Bobby Knight
and I didn't love a lot of things that he represented.
Bobby Knight came out and said, that is the best
basketball player I've ever seen. His ability, his mobility, his passion,
his relentlessness. Bobby Knight said that that is the best.
(40:33):
He went third, Jordan went third right, Portland had Drexler right.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
They went big Hour two next
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
World Series starts tonight, blazing five in one hour. Whatever
platform you're watching or listening, Thank you for making us
part of your day. So yesterday, before the show, there
was the massive scandal eleven states thirty people gambling scandal
(01:01):
heard around the NBA. Now the poker scandal, there's far
more people involved, but the NBA's let's be.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Honest about the NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's a big global target, right And I read everything
over the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You can read.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I got up at four in the morning and I
read for two and a half hours. The interesting part
everybody's talking, Chauncey Billups and Terry Rosier. Damon Jones, part's fascinating.
He was an unpaid member of the Lakers staff under
Darvin Ham no longer is friends with Lebron James. I
don't believe Lebron knew anything. I'm sure of it, but
he was found to be texting accusations right that he
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is saying, you know, bet Milwaukee beg tonight because Lebron
James had a bad Anklin was gonna miss games. And
part of that text was and enough so d Jones
can eat too. Keep your eye on Damon Jones and.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
All of this.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
But I want to I want to remind people of this,
not to be a wet blanket for all you fatalists.
But if you go back to the nineteen ninety three
NBA Finals Phoenix Suns, Michael Jordan and the Bulls, Bulls won,
and then Michael went to baseball after the headline of
that series wasn't mj against Barkley. Headline of that series
(02:19):
was Michael Jordan and gambling talk. In fact, the series
before when they faced the Knicks, he admitted he was
in Atlantic City the night before one of the games.
And Michael Jordan was the face of the NBA. He
was the most globally recognized athlete in the world, and
(02:41):
people said oh, it was just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah,
And the NBA survived, and it doesn't have nearly the
money cashe or power. They just signed an eleven billion
dollar deal. They were in the hundreds of millions. Right
now it's billions, and it was Michael Jordan and now
it's Damon Jones, Terry Rozier, Chauncey Billups. So I think
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the NBA will survive. You know, people say it's the
tip of the iceberg, and sometimes the tip of the
iceberg is an ice cube and not much more than that.
Uncle Colin is going to impart some wisdom here briefly.
In eighteen seventy six, one of my favorite years, frankly,
(03:26):
the National League was formed in baseball. Eighteen seventy six,
the National League's formed. Do you know their first betting scandal.
Let's see, one year later, eighteen seventy seven, Baseball's doing fine.
They just signed a billion dollar contract too. By the way,
the FBI wasn't even around there. The guy who founded it,
(03:49):
Jadgar Hoover, wasn't born yet. One year into the National
League in eighteen seventy six, I don't think Fan Duel
was around then.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I'm just guessing, and you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Had a betting scandal, the mob athletes bad judgment. I mean,
the craziest thing on all this. I didn't know Lakosa
Nostra was still a thing. I honestly thought it was
maybe a name of a restaurant in you know, somewhere
in New York, Columbus, Columbia Circle or something.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I'm like, LaCOSA Nostra. I watch Goodfellas, It's over.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I saw the final episode, the final scene they went
to black that Tony Soprano survive. It's over right, all
the wire tap, John Gottie.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
No, Apparently they were like eleven guys LaCOSA Nostra involved.
So listen.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Sports leagues have rules, and sports leagues warn their athletes
and coaches and scouts and execs, and they warned them.
But the great thing about America is we have all
these freedoms and people have the right to ruin their life.
People make really bad choices. Chauncey Billa, Damon Jones, Terry Roseer.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Dummies, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Give one hundred million in earnings again, keep your eye
on Damon Jones. But go back to eighteen seventy six
in the National League a year later. Gambling issue go
back to Michael Jordan nineteen ninety three, face of basketball globally.
It's not going anywhere. It's not going anywhere. NBA is
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going to survive. Some say it's the tip of the iceberg.
Tim donaghy told me his was the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It wasn't. I was told Michael Jordan was the tip
of the iceberg? Was it?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But Colin gambling wasn't legal? Well, I actually like legal
gambling because it goes from the unregulated markets to now
regulated markets with transparency and rules.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It should be noted that.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Terry Roseer issue was spotted within six hours.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
The NBA knew about it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
The NBA thought it was apparently not worth pursuing much.
The FBI did. But I like all the transparency. I
like legalized gambling. Vegas doesn't want cheats. The NBA doesn't,
the sports books don't, the FBI doesn't. The NBA will survive,
(06:29):
whether it's the tip of the iceberg or not. So
I'm watching the Chargers last night play the Vikings. In
My takeaway by about the third quarter is they're actually opposites.
The Chargers and the Vikings are opposites, and not just
because they're in different conferences. The Chargers love their quarterback.
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All they hope is that his teammates around him can
occasionally stay healthy. But they know he's the north star,
he's the franchise. He is the bedrock for fifteen years.
He is worshiped in the building. The Vikings love all
their players around the quarterback, but have no idea who's
going to lead him the.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Next ten years.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
They flirted with Aaron Rodgers, they settled for Carson Wentz.
They had Daniel Jones in the building. They wanted to
keep Darnold but wouldn't pay for him. So whatever's happening
with JJ McCarthy. The messaging is weird and he's never available.
So quarterbacks stabilize a franchise. So last night the Chargers
(07:32):
finally get Joe alt back.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
What a shocker.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
They can run on the left side, what a shocker.
The blitz packages by the Vikings didn't work. So the
Vikings love their coach and their defensive coordinator and their
left tackle and their weapons, and the Vikings love everything
around the quarterback, but the franchise has It's not stabilized
because they don't know what's going on with JJ McCarthy.
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The Chargers are the opposite. They've got the most important
part of this league quarterback won coach two and they're
both going to be there for as long as they
want to foreseeable future decade if they want. Harball may
retire eight to nine and Jim's got great energy.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
They just can't keep anybody healthy for any extended period.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So as I watched last night, a thousand out of
a thousand times, I would take the Chargers situation. They're
making Justin Herbert throw more than any quarterback in the
league because that's what they have right now. And slowly
but surely, Joe Alt came back and they were good.
But the Chargers know the truth in this league is
that Joe Burrow got to a super Bowl with a
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battle line. Justin Herbert doesn't need both tackles. He won't
have Slater this year. Just give him Joe Alt and
they can blow out anybody at any time. And here
is Jim Harbaugh after the win.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Joe makes a huge difference. He's a great player, and
I would say in his leadership and eight healthy guys
out there is you know, I've been a challenge but
I think we're gonna be better for it. I know
that because we're gonna have guys that are battle tested.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Just to give you a sense, I've always said, once
you get your head coach quarterbacks, the most important person
left tackle is next than a pass rusher. Look at
this Joe Altz impact on the Chargers. When he's on
the field, they're four and oh if he starts and
finishes a game, and Herbert is a pro bowler.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
When he's not, Herbert.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Is okay and throwing fifty five times a game with
a passer rating in the eighties. So quarterback, left tackle,
somebody to rush the passer, and a weapon or too.
It's just that the Chargers have struggled outside of the
quarterback and the coach to have anybody available on Thursdays
(09:58):
or Sundays or Mondays. Last night, and look look how
easy it looks. J Rachel Nichols will talk more. She's
really really all dialed in on this NBA stuff, which
is I mean, I'm sure like you, I listened to
two podcasts this morning one last night, read everything I could.
(10:19):
I've just I think one of the things I've always
loved is watching documentaries and I've watched over the years
tennis scandals and NBA stuff, and go back to the
Black Sox scandal in baseball, is that this is never
going away. The mob gambling, poor judgment athletes. I think
it's part of the athlete spirit. Some of them they
just like juice, they like energy, like being in the game,
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and poker games have been going on forever. The Chauncey
Billups accusations are he was in on it, they were rigged,
and he knew it. If that is true, the sentence
will be highly punitive. But I do think we live
in a time where people on the internet are very fatalistic.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Everything's the worst thing ever. And the only advantage to
being sixty is you've seen everything happen four times. And
I don't think a lot of our audience remembers the
ninety three finals Sons MJ.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
The talk.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I can remember at one point in David Stern's career,
Bob Costas interviewed.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It got incredibly testy.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Because Bob the journalist was pressing him on the gambling
stuff and Stern, who was a combative fighter, the late
great David Stern, And I don't know if it was
that finals or not, but Bob felt it was necessary
and he was right to press him on the gambling stuff.
And remember that predates large, you know the Supreme Court ruling.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So I can remember the.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Interview with Costas and Stern whenever it was and it
was highly combative. So the reality is this stuff and
that just think about that. It's hard to explain. We
didn't have all this social media stuff. Michael was very private,
so when you were hearing things about Michael, a lot
of it was innuendo.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Innuendo.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Michael acknowledged he was in Atlantic City during the Knick
series before the Sun's Bulls finals.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Imagine that today.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah, well that's the problem. Like you said, fatalistic. A
lot of these people on the internet today are like,
this is absolutely reprehensible. The integrity of the league is compromised.
That is so overblown. It's not even funny, Like this
is not going to change anything. Last night's games pretty incredible, Warriors, Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Go overtime, Like this is an Is this an isolated incident,
Colin or do you think this is rampant throughout the night.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think it's I think the poker games have been
going on in New York City, especially forever.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
By the way, thank you staff. The costest interview was
during the ninety three.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Finals, So yeah, I mean, Bob was centerpiece on that
and it was very appropriate. It was big Jay journalism.
That's before we started handing out Big Jay Journalism awards.
Bob would have certainly won. And it was a poignant,
well crafted, spirited debate and appropriate for the time. So
(13:09):
I just think I've just lived through all of this stuff.
And again, I covered UNLB basketball when one morning the
Las Vegas Review Journal had a picture of Richard the
Fixer Perry in a hot tub with David Butler, Moses Gurry,
Anderson Hunt for the record. Great guys, I mean, the easiest,
most fun group of young athletes to ever cover, especially
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Scurry and Anderson Hunt.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
And so I've been around this forever.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
What about Calvin Ridley a year or two ago betting
in the NFL. They have to suspend him, Like this
happens everywhere. Let's not freak out, Colin. Would you agree
that it feels like if you already did not like
the NBA, you're going all in bassingly, and if you
like the NBA, you're like, Okay, Chauncey Billups. If he's
going and leaking information at poker games, yeah, he's an idiot.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
He's going to be done.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
But if he's just talking about it, not thinking that
these guys are actionable, he's probably gonna skate. I don't
know what's gonna happen, but I think you and I agree,
Chelsea Phillips.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Probably not gonna be coaching this year for Portland.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, no, I think Chauncey, according to the accusations, is
going to be in a bit of trouble. I do
think Damon Jones is the one to keep your eye on.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
He's not even in the league now, I don't think right.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
He was a bounce around guy, very well liked. He
was friends with Lebron and again they're gonna be people.
I can assure you Lebron's not involved in this stuff.
I just he's of course not. But I mean that
doesn't mean you can't have a friend.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Well, Damon Jones is texting gamblers? You know, get d
Jones paid or whatever?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
This right?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Like, come on as it's amateur hour, dude, you're dumb. Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (15:18):
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Speaker 3 (15:23):
Listen. The Dodgers are historic. They are tied for the.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Most World Series appearances five by any National League team
ever in a nine year span. They are in the
playoffs now thirteen straight years. That's one shy of a
baseball record. The only team in baseball history to have
MVPs batting one, two three in the everyday lineup. O
Tani Betson Freeman, so I said, as the World Series
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starts tonight, if the Dodgers win this series, number one,
they're officially a dynasty, and number two, I'd argue they're
the greatest team, most talented team ever. You say, Colin,
what about the regular season, folks, They don't care about it.
They're gonna make the playoffs. They overwhelming with talent. What
they do with the Dodgers. If you get injured during
the season, they.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Don't risk it. There is no rush back. They'll push
you to September.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And the Dodgers treat their players and stars like a
great teacher teaches treats her students. They're not going to
hound you on attendance, be great on the final and
that's how the Dodgers look at it. And this is
a new phenomenon. By the way, the Dodgers have to
enforce series. To be World Series champs, Mickey Mannle had
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to win four games, So I have no problem saying
the accomplishment is really impressive. The Phillies are stacked, the
Blue Jays are stacked, The Brewers were unbelievable. Even the
low budget Reds have a superstar player. So I'm not
taking anything away from Cal Ripkin and the iron Man streak.
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But it's almost like work smarter, not harder. You know,
Ripkin's got one World Series title. Most kids today and
most you know, psychologists. They're like, yeah, you probably shouldn't
work eighty hours a week. You should have a life, right,
But baseball used to take great pride in you play
through an injury. That's not smart. That's not what the
Dodgers do. The Dodgers are, you're banged up, we'll see
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as September twenty third. And what they've assembled here, it's
just really unique. I mean, they're a little like Kevin
Spacey and usual suspects. They're limping around, not a threat.
Then you look up and you're like, oh, wait, to
the mastermind of the whole sport, here's a team that
had no bullpen bullpen nightmares. Now you're like, can't string
together hits right against the back end. So, I mean,
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we looked at the Dodgers one way in the regular season,
and all of a sudden, you look at them now
and you're like, they're dominating Milwaukee, they're blow past Philadelphia.
So tonight they're six and zine in game ones dating
back to last year, they're favored tonight. Here's what scares
Dave Roberts. Here's his concerns about the Blue Jays.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
They're really athletic. I think that you mentioned Springer, who's
a big game player. He's on a heater right now,
had a great you know, last couple of months. That
guy right there, Vladimir scares the heck out of me.
And they're just a greedy group. They're very similar to
our club, and they're tough. I think Ross Atkins, I
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think Marsha Piter. They've done a great job with his club.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, I mean, you have to look at the Dodgers differently.
They do not attack it concerned about Ironman streaks. And
that doesn't mean what cal Ripkin accomplished isn't amazing, but
it's different now. The analytics have changed it and the
priority for the Dodgers. Blake Snell is a great example.
What did he have eleven regular season starts and then
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he's Sandy Kofax in the postseason. You know, Dave Roberts
told me yesterday. They on Rokie like they they're trying
to figure out what to do with him because they're
starting pitching with good What do we do with him?
And then they sit down Andrew Friedman, pitching coach Dave Roberts,
they go to him, Hey, we've got a movie of
the pen.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You okay with that?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
He's like, absolutely, So, it's just different. Baseball is faster today,
it's smarter today. I think it's gonna be a really,
really good series. And I do think if the Dodgers win,
having dominated and swept the Reds, dominated, swept, the Brewers
soundly beaten the Phillies, if they do the same to
a Blue Jays team that cruised through the Yankees, there's
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an argument greatest team ever.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Top to bottom. Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
News, No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
This is the headline news, all right, Colin NFL Friday.
We got big news for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And that's AJ Brown.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Colin did not practice Wednesday, did not practice Thursday.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That's not great.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
If you usually don't practice Thursday, you got major problems.
If he's not on the practice field today, I would
assume A J.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Brown's not gonna go. But it gets a little more muddled.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
So he posted something earlier this week on Instagram. I
didn't catch it because I don't follow a J. Brown,
but he wrote a caption using me but not using me.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Now I'm not sure what he's talking about.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
It's weird for somebody to go on social media and
complain when you just had your best game.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Of the season against the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Yeah, I'll be honest. Like the Giant secondary's banged up,
there's an opportunity here for aj Brown to cook.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I don't know if he's gonna play or not.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
This is not part of my blazing five. The wise guys,
a lot of them. This is a really wonky week
for numbers. A lot of wise guys like Philadelphia as
a touchdown favorite, and their take is Giants don't beat
the Eagles twice in one season, and so you know,
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I've kind of jamacked. I have stayed away from Philadelphia
all year because how do I judge a football team
that can have the worst half by any offense in
the sport and then in the second half score twenty
eight points in dominate time of possession. So they've been
out gained in every game. I think they've got coaching
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riddles to solve, and I think it's going to be competitive.
I'll take the Eagles, but half to half.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I have no idea what Philadelphia's offense produces. I have
no idea.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yeah, I think this also comes down to the defense
brought Burns not practicing a debo.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
They're good cornerback not practicing.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Giants a little banged up and mentally, Colin, how is
New York handling that collapse against the Broncos?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
That was historic stuff? Thirty three points in the foot quarter.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Great.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
You saw Burns go into the locker room yelling, why
the hell are we rushing three?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know Jackson dart mentally, man, I don't make that mistake.
We win.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
They cut the kicker, then they bring him back to
the practice squad.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Because they needed a.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Backup kicker or whatever. So the Giants are a bit
of a mess, but this a j Brown thing. Without him, Colin,
their offense is basically played in the shoe box. And
Saquon Barkley, I think you're going to talk about it
a little more. He's definitually like three point four yards
of carry this week the most popular NFL narrative. What's
wrong with Sakuon Barkley? All off season? You and I
talked about this. He had like four hundred touches last year.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Look at his playoff. You can't bounce back from that.
So I have some concerns.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I think the Eagles are a great teaser bet take
them down to win by one. You know, if they
lose this game, this opens the door for Dallas. If
you guys want the Dallas Cowboys, I do you think
they can win the division? Right now is the time
to bet it. Because they beat the Broncos and the
Eagles lose. Column, we've got a huge situation in the
NFC East. Right, Let's move on to brock party. You know,
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it's funny you haven't taken any shots at Brock Purty
lately because he's not playing. Yeah, I mean, he's only
played two games this season. GM John Lynch broke down
where things stand with their fifty five million dollar quarterback.
Speaker 8 (22:48):
He's doing a really good job. We're taking the appropriate measures.
What I can tell you is he gets better each week,
each day. I do think we're getting closer to him
returning a hard timeline, because it's kind of a field
thing we're getting. We do know that. I think this week,
in particular last week, I think we made some progress
and so that has Brocking couraged, It has everyone encouraged.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I think what has been established clearly is that mac
Jones is a younger reclamation project. Baker was older, Darnold
was older. Daniel Jones and Mac Jones are both starting
quarterbacks in the NFL. How great are they? I don't know.
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But Matt gets a great coach and then Daniel Jones
gets a great old line, great weapons, and a very
good coach.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
But I think we have to be honest now.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
As much as we were critical of Mac and Daniel Jones,
they are starters in the NFL. Not saying top ten,
I'm not saying top twelve, but they are starters. Daniel
Jones makes too many good throws and Mac Jones behind
a very average offensive line with no Iyuk and no
Kittle and no Piersall. They are are a very good offense,
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not great, it's a good offense.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Good.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
So the problem is they run into what potentially is
an elite defense. So one of the big mismatches this
week is the trenches the Texans defense getting after Mac Jones.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
He's not exactly mobile. Okay, we saw Sam Darnald.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I know the Seahawks won that, but you Donald did
not look great in that game.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
No, I'm also worried about the Texans. Did you see this?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Nico Collins still not practicing concussion, Christian Kirk not practicing hamstring?
So who's CJ Stroud thrown to I want Texans here.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I haven't bet it yet, but I think I'm on Houston.
Do you have a play on this one.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I like Houston. I think it's low scoring. The Niners
after wins can stumble the last couple of years, and
I'm I'm I think you just hit on it. Mac Jones.
Lack of mobility against this defense. I think it's going
to be low scoring.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, I would tend to agree. Final story, Colin.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
I know there's a lot of gambling NBA stuff happening,
but the actual product.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Has been tremendous. Yeah. So there were two amazing games
last night.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Both went overtime, and the Steph Curry show was unbelievable.
So Aaron Gordon had fifty collins. He hit eight straight.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Threes to open the game. I was stunned.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
I didn't know we could do that. But Steph Curry
beat him. He had forty two points, including sixteen straight
late in the game in overtime. Here's Draymond Green on
Steph Curry dropping forty two.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
He loved a moment.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
That's just who he's been since I've known them. You know,
the bigger the moment, the more he rises. But He's
this quiet guy. You know, we all know Steph like
right how he is. But he loved a show, I think,
you know, and so anytime it's the show to be
put on, he's going to do it. And you know
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he did that tonight in a major way.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
When you watched that game, Oh, there was so much
talent on the floor. People forget Gordon was a defensive
player when Orlando had him, and then he goes and
he plays with Jokic and you just forget how many
big games and big baskets he's had. I think Gordon's
one of the more underappreciated guys in the league. But
he was like a top four or five pick. He's
a huge, long, great athlete. He has developed into a
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pretty pretty good shooter.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Look at that in transition, just pull up three. So
this was interesting.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I don't know if you notice this, but Jamal Murray
the late game superstar for DEVA.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
They put Draymond Green on him.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Late and I was like, ooh, that's a smart little
wrinkle from Steve Kerr.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
There were so many good wrinkles.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Now I do have some Nuggets fans, friends, Yes, I
gets some NBA fans everywhere and they are so upset
with the coaching down the stretch. Where was Cameron Johnson
or big free agent. I'm like, it's game two, guys,
can we settle down? Everybody's tinkering, But.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I'll say game Gordon is a fascinating player because he
comes into the NBA as an athletic long defender. Last
year forty three percent from threes, and a lot of
that's because you have to double Yo kich yep, and
so Gordon steps back. He used to shoot mid range
and drive and slash steps back. He has become a
lethal three point shooter.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, it's it is interesting you bring that up. You know,
he was drafted to Orlando, Like you said, top five.
I think he went fourth overall. He's our savior. He's
not a savior.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
He's an amazing and incredible number three. Oh, he's the Joe.
He's the best three in the league. Yeah, A KD. Yeah,
I mean, Amen Thompson maybe is a man Gordon. Gordon's
better probably well Sengoon, I mean, Lean's the one.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Kd's the two. Amen Thompson for the time being the three.
But Gordon and a men Thompson would be the best
threes in the league.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, and I know some NBA fans. You guys never
give the thunder credit. We're talking SG a second hour. Uh,
he had like a fifty burger last night.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
It ain't positive, but make sure you stick around for
next hour SG. Jay Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So it is a there's a couple of games this weekend.
I can't wait to watch the one that's that's really fascinating.
And let me ask you this question. What are we
to make of the Cowboys? Are they legitimate? So they
beat the Jets, Giants, and the Commanders without a fully
healthy Jadan Daniels, they tied the Packers, they almost beat Philly,
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and then they lost a fourth quarter lead the Carolina
and got smoked by the Bears.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
What are they Sunday?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Is true, serum, Denver's got a great coach and a
great old line and a great defensive front. And Denver
does not allow passing touchdown and Dak's been on a heater.
So the answer will be provided Sunday. No Jets or
Giants here. The Denver Broncos defense little better than Carolina's.
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So in my opinion, legitimate playoff teams can win on
the road, and the Cowboys this year have not been
great on the road, and Dak's been great, but he'll
have to be sensational Sunday. To me, this is the
truth serum game for the Cowboys because they beat the
Jets and Giants and the Wabbly Commanders, they tie the
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Packers almost feat Philly, and then they get housed by
the Bears and lose a fourth quarter lead to Carolina.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What are they?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Dak's good, I don't question that. Here's what concerns me
about the Cowboys, Dak's career versus playoff teams on the
road eight and seventeen. Now, Denver made the playoffs last year.
I'm projecting they're a playoff team this year. And if
Denver is a playoff team, and I think their coach,
their roster, it's a playoff team to me. Dak and
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the Cowboys have not been great in this spot. And
Dak talked about facing an elite secondary with a Pro
Bowl level corner and safety and this pass rush.
Speaker 10 (29:50):
Credit and respect to them. It's a little bit of both. Obviously,
they know that they go hand in hand for them.
Right corners can be a little bit more aggressive, sit
a little bit more play the routes and knowing that
they're getting home on defense at with just their rush
and leaning the league in sacks right dominating on third down.
So a lot of credit, a lot of respect for them.
Just continue to go in there and play my game.
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Uh starts with beating the pass rush and when you've
got the receivers. I do have a confidence in them
to win.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So my take is the head coach, the offensive line, defense,
huge significant edges toward Denver quarterback clear advantage.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Dallas.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Both have really good weapons. Cowboys are probably better. But
if you can give me a much better coach, a
much better o line, and is significantly better defense and
they're at home, could it get ugly for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
It's one of my Blazing five picks.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 5 (30:54):
The World Series begins on Talks as shoe Hey Otani
and the reigning champion do take on Vlad Junior in
the Blue Jays.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Game one of the World Series. Coverage begins tonight at
seven Eastern on Fox. Yeah, I guess you know.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I did so much reading last night on the Chauncey
Billup stuff and the Damon Jones. If you go back
to when Chauncey Billups was hired, there was a story
regarding him and personal conduct that was troubling, and uh,
maybe we've all been fooled this entire time. There are
people like that Blazing five top of Next Hour. Yeah,
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I mean I always thought as a player, he was
a very thoughtful guy. But you know, it's it's one
of those things where you can think a person's a
certain way, then you hear a story about him, and
then the damn breaks a few years later. And there
are people I always, I always feel like the truth
does come out with everybody. But there are people out
there that are, you know, it's almost sociopathic, that are
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good actors and they can put on one face and
be another person. So these are just accusations. But the
Chauncey Billups stuff is initially was hard to wrap my
brain around. And I listen to people I respect and
trust and I just can't.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I can't believe it. Of course I can. It's bad judgment.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Lebron James, Damon Jones, our friends were Lebron generally hangs
out with smart people. You ever, you ever see those
things like those White House photos. You'll see like a
president with their arm around somebody and that person's like
a convict, and it's been happening, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
For fifty sixty years. You just don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You don't know what happens when people leave work and
you don't know. You think you know, you don't know,
So you know, Justin I always root for Justin Herbert
because you know, whenever I hear this about a player, well,
I mean he's never won a playoff game. Well, Dan
Marino didn't win a Super Bowl and Charles Barkley didn't
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win an NBA finals, And those are two of the
best athletes I've ever seen. Matt Stafford had no playoff
wins twelve years in Detroit, and Sean McVay, of all
the quarterbacks in the league, said, I want that guy.
I want him so much, I'll pay a salary, and
I'll pay Jared Goffs too. He'd never won a playoff game.
Smart people can predict and project. Any dummy can say,
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well that guy's good, he's got four rings. It's too late.
The way to get value. The way to beat the
market is to be ahead of the market. Sean mcvay's like,
I know he's never won a playoff game. I'm going
to take him, pay for his salary and GOFFS and
trade him and give you a bunch of draft picks.
It worked out, and so you know you want to
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beat the market. You don't want to chase the market.
And nine sports fans are chasing stuff or telling you
the obvious. So every EXECU I've ever talked to, every
coach I've ever talked to that I've ever asked about
Justin Herbert, they're all like, he's like top four or
five quarterback in the league. There are sundays he's outside
of mahomes the best. Trevor Lawrence beat him in a
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playoff game. I've never talked to an exec that would
take Trevor Lawrence over Justin Herbert. Never forget. Rex Grossman
got to a Super Bowl. Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl.
So last year brought purty as his team was all
beat up physically. Brock perty went six and nine. Well,
there was a lot of injuries six and nine, and
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Brock is a good quarterback. This year Herbert's five and
three with similar issues. Nobody's healthy. That's a great quarterback.
So I mean the defensive coordinator from Minnesota, Brian Flores,
is maybe the best defensive coordinator in the league and
was sending blitz packages from the very first snap. And
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yet the Chargers never punted last night and were nine
for thirteen on third down with only one of their tackles.
So justin, Herbert against blitz packages last night was thirteen
to fifteen, one hundred and twenty three point five passer
rating against blitz packages. So you know, and here's the
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thing about being able to see the truth before production,
is that Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Won the NBA championship. Do you really know why?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Because their GM Sam Presty, saw the greatness of SGA
before the Clippers did. That's why you're not winning that
title without SGA. Sam Presty's like that skinny guy from
Kentucky who may have been the second best guy in
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his college team that is going to be a star.
Beat the market. Sam Presty didn't follow the market. If
you follow the market, you never get value with anybody. Now,
you don't get value in the end when you have
to pay SGA. But if you want to get value
on quarterbacks and left tackles and star players, you've got
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to be ahead of the market, not trailing it and
copying it. Right, you want to set the trend, not
be part of the avalanche of the trend. And here's
harball last night on Herbert's ability to beat the Blitz
over and over.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Last night.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
He was really doing a tremendous job seeing the field,
and which he always does. I mean, it's so rare
that he doesn't he doesn't see it or read it,
or know the exact coverage and where to go with
the ball, and then when it you know it's all covered.
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I mean, he he did another great job tonight running
and picking up first downs with his athleticism. He's just
another stellar performance by Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
You know, it's interesting if you go back to the
Clipper ok C trade. The Clipper saw what Paul George was,
good player. Okay, see Sam Presti saw what SGA could be.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Who did better.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
One team now runs the lead right at least for
the last twelve months. So you know, it's easy to say, well,
somebody had to find Derek Jeter when he was skinny
and couldn't hit the curve. That's what scouting's all about.
It's about seeing stuff before it happens. And nobody's perfect
on this stuff, and nobody expects you to be perfect,
but you know it's you know these people that are
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out there.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well, he doesn't won a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Go look at his coaches before Harball and just just
just doesn't mean he was great in that playoff disaster
last year. But he's a special kind of player. Blazing five.
Top of the Hour Rachel Nichols. Next Hour, Aaron Rodgers
goes back. He gets to face the Packers. It'll be
in Pittsburgh, which I think is a really interesting game.
We can put the schedule up. I don't think it's
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a massive upset weekend. I like the favorites. It's it's
you know, as the season goes on, the weather gets worse.
Sometimes I just lean on the best quarterback. Like for instance,
I'm just gonna my guess is Josh Allen beats the
Panthers and that Baker Mayfield with an injury ravaged team
beats the Saints. The tricky games are when you don't
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have your star quarterback. I'm gonna take Jalen Hurts at
home to beat Jackson Dart. It feels like a favorite
weekend and a quarterback weekend because now you get to
a point where everybody's got rosters that are incomplete. Everybody's
injury ravaged, right it's week eight, Week nine, Week ten,
week eleven. Then some of your stars get healthy again.
In those injury ravaged weeks, star quarterbacks like Herbert are
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better than average quarterbacks like Carson Wentz overcoming depleted rosters.
So this weekend there are a lot of depleted rosters.
In most instances, I'm just gonna take the better quarterback.
I do think Aaron and green Bay. I don't think
it's hostile, but it is tasty. You like Green Bay
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and that one j Mac.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
You know, I want to take Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
They've let me down. So the first two weeks of
the season they were lights out. Remember beat Washington beat Detroit,
handily covered both. Everybody's been on Green Bay. I don't
think they've covered a game since, and so I've been
on a couple of those. So I'm a little reluctant,
But you know what, I'm probably gonna end up going
in on the Packers. I just don't believe in the
Steelers defense at all, and I think the Aaron Rodgers
stuff is overblown against bad teams.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
You know, something just popped into my head.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
We were talking about being able to see the greatness
of Matt Stafford before he won a playoff game, or
seeing the greatness of SGA. There's an old p video
the late Bobby Knight was asked about Michael Jordan, remember
this before he was in the NBA, and Bobby Knight said,
he's the most competitive player I've ever seen. He is
(40:12):
the best athlete I've ever seen play basketball. Bobby Knight
and I didn't love a lot of things that he represented.
Bobby Knight came out and said, that is the best
basketball player I've ever seen. His ability, his mobility, his passion,
his relentlessness. Bobby Knight said that that is the best.
(40:33):
He went third, Jordan went third right, Portland had Drexler right.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
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