3 & Out - TRADE DEADLINE: Jets trade Gardner to Colts, Williams to Cowboys - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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The volume What is going on Everybody? John Middlecoff Three
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show today when the trade deadline ended at two o'clock
Mountain time. Because I'm Scott Sales Pacific standard time for
six months, we don't change our clocks and then we
just transition into Mountain time. So at two o'clock Mountain time,
I did a live reaction on YouTube to what just happened.

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Obviously the Jets blowing it up, the Colts trading a
lot for Sauce Gardner, the Cowboys out of nowhere, landing
Quinn Williams, the stud defensive tackle. Even John Schneider threw
his hat in the ring, adding a good deep threat
from the New Orleans Saints. So I'll give some initial

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thoughts reaction to the trade deadline, which was pretty fascinating,
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even start? Big picture, the trade deadline has become more interesting.
Schefter tweeted out about thirty minutes before it ended that
there had been seven or six trades today, which had
tied one of the all time days for the trade deadline.

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Turns out it was seven. And if you look over
the lap, which is a lot for the trade deadline,
the rec is ten in twenty two. There were eight
trades in twenty four. We have a lot more younger,
aggressive gms. The league's making a ton of money, owners
are willing, coaches are on board. We have much more activity.

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Where football never paralleled Basketball and baseball when it came
to trades in season because it was much harder, right
scheme coaching, huge learning of playbook. You couldn't just put
the guy at third base or tell the guy to
stand in the corner and hit threes. Football is a
little more complicated that way, and I think maybe it's
just people are running similar schemes, but I do think

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it gets back to the gms being really aggressive and
the money in the league for the owners to give
the go ahead that we have much more action. And
that doesn't even the seven trades today doesn't even count.
Howie Roseman made a trade yesterday. He made two the
previous week, the Rams made a trade. The previous week,
the forty nine Ers made a couple of trades. So
you have teams and gms and franchises that are just

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willing to risk stuff, which is cool, which makes this
stuff fun because historically this day can be a little boring,
and that no longer is the case, and honestly, the
lead up to this day is fun. But I'll start
with the Jets because when you suck as bad as
they do, there is no point in keeping players that

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have a lot of value because you're literally losing year
after year with those players. So big picture wise, totally
understand why they hit the nuclear option and traded their
you know, definitely their best player. I don't know exactly
where Sauce ranks, but Garrett Wilson and Quentin Williams I'd

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put on a different level than twenty twenty five Sauce,
but obviously Sauce has a lot of value and they
got today three first round picks, a second round pick,
a defensive tackle from the Cowboys, I don't know how
good he is, and a Donnie Mitchell, who I've always
kind of like, though I had a personnel director called him.
You know, kind of an underachiever. He wasn't that big

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of a fan, and thought that the Colts kind of
got duped during that process because the coaching staff fell
in love and that they convinced the scouting staff to
get on board. Either way, he's no longer a cold.
But I understand what the Jets are doing, and if
I was the owner or I was the GM, I
would do the same thing. And we have consistently seen

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this bas or in other sports where the front office
and the owners are in cahoots that they have a
vision that mirrors each other. They're cool with the big picture.
Here's you know who doesn't is the coach typically, because
even if Aaron Glenn is cool with making these moves

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right now, is he going to get a long runway
Because this team and the pressure on them over the
next couple of years is going to be to nail
all these picks. And we literally saw Joe Douglas. I've
told this story a million times and I'll tell it again.
I knew a guy on his staff and back when
they were just nailing picks right and he said, John,

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we can nail of these seven picks if six of
them become Pro Bowl guys. A couple of them become
all Pros, and we miss on the quarterback, we're all
gonna get fired. If we hit the quarterback and we
miss on all these other players, we'll get contract extensions.
And he was right because they hit on a lot

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of guys, even a guy that's up in the air,
I think is highly debated in the NFL. Sauce Gardner
just got them an absolute kings ransom. So the Jets
now will go through a position for the next couple
of years, they're gonna get worse. It's going to be
even uglier. And we saw famously a couple of years ago,
like Miami Dolphins nuke this thing, blow it up tank

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and Brian Flores wasn't on board because at the end
of the day, as a coach, you do get judged
on wins and losses, and unlike the NBA, it's hard
to go through five six years where you're just losing
all the time. You're going to get fired, regardless of
the variables and circumstances. So to me, if Woody Johnson
and the GM can look Aaron Glenn in the face
and going at minimum, you're getting like four years regardless

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of what the contract says, I'm saying you, we are
not going to remove you from your office. He can
get on board, but there's no way if I'm him,
I can feel good about whatever they're telling me. Because
we see this in the NFL. The Jets are gonna
be worse next year than they are this year. Think
about that, They're gonna be worse next year than they
are this year. Hell, there's a decent chance. I watch

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a lot of college football. The quarterbacks in this draft one,
a lot of them might not come out last. I
checked pays a lot to stay in college now, and
none of these guys are top five, top ten locks.
So it's like, yeah, you might get drafted in the
in the teens or the twenties. You mean, I'm taking
a pay cut, Like I make seven million dollars right now.

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Ask Arch or Dante Moore or Fernando Mendoza or Ty
Simpson how good living is in their colleges right now,
or say in Ohio State or Bryce Underwood. They're printing money.
So unless you can guarantee me be a top Tennish pick,
it's not worth it. And I think the Jets here

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can they withstand how ugly this thing is going to get.
Because the worst word in sports and entertainment, in anything
that people do, like myself, where we're trying to get
people to consume and trying to get people to give
their time, is when fans become apathetic. It's a problem.

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And you can be like, oh, the Jets have three
first round picks in twenty twenty seven. You know how
long that is till we get there. You have the
second half of this season, which is clearly going to
be ugly, and then all of twenty twenty six. I
like the draft as much as the next guy. I
love talking about future picks, But if I'm a Jets fan,
don't we have the longest running streak in the NFL

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of not making the playoffs. Well, we're obviously not making
it this year, We're definitely not making it next year.
And then it's about the twenty twenty seven draft, which,
even if we nail some of those players, it might
take them a couple of years to be good. So
we're a year away from being a year away from
maybe being another year away. It's just a lot of like, hey, hope,
keep your fingers crossed. Oh yeah, we're the Jets, so

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it's probably not gonna work out, which again I totally
understand why they made these deals, but this to just
be like, oh, it's all gonna work out, who's to say.
I definitely do not feel that way at all. I
just think it's gonna be a long, long road for
potentially turning it around in like five years, which seems

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crazy and pretty sad and to me, the big winner
right now, if you're like the Patriots and the Bills,
you don't need to worry about this team at all.
You got the Dolphins and Shambles. I mean, these two
teams are just a complete joke, and now you just
you got to take advantage of the draft. Let's start
with the Colts, because my first reaction with Indianapolis was

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that's insane. That was my first reaction. Is I just
I don't agree. I think it's too much. And immediately
I start texting around and as one executive put it
to me, basically like, what does Chris have to worry about?
He came into this year on the hot seat. What

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are they gonna do? Fire him? He was probably planning
on getting fired in the middle of the summer. So
now that they're good to double down. He's been the
GM since twenty seventeen. They have not won a playoff game.
Pretty sure they have not won the division during that time.
It has not gone that well for Chris Ballerin and
Nindy ever since Andrew Luck retired. Now he found his

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quarterback who more than likely they're going to have to extend.
They have a bunch of guys they've drafted who are
clearly really good under contract, and their corner position Tarvarius Ward,
who I hope everything's gonna be all right after that
pregame mishap where he got the concussion, he's on injury reserve.
Was playing like one of the better defensive backs in
the league. And he's a big, physical corner. He's a

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good player when he's healthy. Tarvarius is a high end
winning player. He's played for two teams, the Chiefs and
the forty nine Ers. That guy's done a lot of winning,
So to me, Tarvarius Ward is a proven winning player.
Sauce Gardner simply is not. And the other thing. While
Sauce is an All Pro his first couple of years,
a wise man in the league told me this probably
within the last twelve months. If they ever start calling

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Sauce Gardner for pass interference, we're gonna have problems. And
what happened last year, they started officiating him differently, and
it was hard because he couldn't just maul you down
the field because he's not some twitchy, fluid athlete like
Derek Stingley. He doesn't I wouldn't say, have great ball
skills and what he definitely is not for a tall,

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long corner Richard Sherman as a tackler. So if he
can't press you at the line of scrimmage because he's
not super fast, so he's not just gonna run and
mirror you like the great athletes at that position, things
got to go very right for him. Which if I'm
gonna trade two first round picks for a player, even
if I am in win now mode, that guy has

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to be a no doubt about it, instant all pro guy.
When the Rams traded for Jalen Ramsey, there was no
debating he was an elite talent and obviously he came
there played at an elite level. But Jalen's an elite athlete.
He's a physical player. He's got good ball skills like
He's just dramatically better than Sauce. Now, Sauce Gardner is

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under contract. And here's where I own apology to the
new administration for the Jets. When they signed that contract,
it didn't make any sense to me. I'm like, I'd
be in the business of trading this guy. Well, it
turns out once they traded him, it was actually a
very tradeable contract because they only had to give him
thirteen million dollars signing bonus. So this year, Sasgardner's total

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compensation was like a little under fifteen million dollars. Where
it gets expensive is the next couple of years, and
that's where the Colts will pay twenty five million dollars
next year, twenty five million dollars the following year, and
twenty point two I think in twenty twenty eight. So
they will pay him starting next year seventy million dollars
for the next three years, like they gave three years

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sixty million dollars to Charvarius Award. And if it wasn't
for I don't know, one of his teammates running into him,
he was having a Pro Bowl season. If I'm going
to pay premiums, I need to get a premium. If
I'm gonna give Micah Parsons one hundred and eighty eight
million dollars, I'm gonna need fifteen to twenty sacks, and
more than likely that's what I'm gonna get. If I'm
gonna give Miles Garrett or Max Crosby or TJ. Watt

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one hundred million dollars, I need you to be one
of the best pass rushers in the league. Sastgardner simply
is not one of the best corners in the league.
Now maybe that changes, maybe lou A Maruno. But whenever
I see a like Chris Ballard, I saw some quotes
which I like, I don't know. Chris seems like a
likable guy. It's done a good job. Obviously, the Daniel
Jones thing has, you know, rep rewards. They're definitely higher

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on sauce than I am. But he mentioned we scouted
him hardcore coming out of college, and well that matters
for the person to get the wiring. Like anytime you
make an acquisition to a guy that's been on another
team for three, four or five years, right and you
acquire him, you lean on some of that information to
know the guy, what type of teammate he is all

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that type stuff. But like as a player, whatever he
did at Cincinnati and even his first couple years in
the jests like that's a long time ago. Now what
about twenty four and how it's looked in twenty five.
I just think it's pretty risky. I do. I applaud
being aggressive, but I think sometimes just to be aggressive
to say hey, we tried, there's a difference of Like

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in I texted a couple of people we press record,
because I was thinking this, would I have rather if
I'm Chris Ballard doubled down on the defensive line where
I already have Buckner. I drafted the UCLA kid, Quitty
pay like we got some pieces up there. Would I've
rather traded less? Right? The Cowboys got quent and Williams,

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who to me, I'd rather have Quinn Williams on my
team if all things are equal than Sauce Garden. I
think we'd get universal agreement on that. Well, Jerry traded
a second next year and a first the following year.
So what if I reversed it? If I was the Colts,
because I'm already given up two once. What if I said, hey,
I'll give you a first in twenty six and a
second the following year, and I doubled down on the

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defensive line, and obviously Tarvarius comes back because I would
much rather feel good, like at the end of the day,
it's kind of like basketball, like great offense is always
beating good defense. That's happened in the history of time
in the NBA, I think, unless you're demon sanders like
most DB's, especially with these rules, but the one place
you can dominate, the one place you can take advantage

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of the line of scrimmage. So I just I'm not
into going two ones for corners unless it's like Dreaux
Reeves in his prime, right, And if I'm getting a tall,
long corner, he better be like Richard Sherman in his
prime elite ball skills and badass tackler. This is not
what I'm getting, Like I need this, Like I'm just

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running at Sauce Gardner, running at him, and I just
think it's pretty risky for Indy. On top of like
you're gonna pay him a lot of money, so you're
allocating a lot of resources. He's got to be a
high end player for you. He's got to be a
high end player for you, and I don't know. I
just I don't see it. If I'm the Jets, I
get two ones and a Donnie Mitchell for That's That's

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the easiest trade the New York Jets will ever make. Literally,
that'll be one of the easiest trades an NFL team
has ever made. My other question is who is Indy
bidding against right where the Jets is going, fine, we'll
keep him. Is that they're leveraging this negotiation, like we
don't need to trade them, but okay, then keep them,

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win three games and pay the guy all this money
over the next couple of years, because clearly you were engaging.
You want to trade him, but who were We couldn't
have got him for a one, a player and a third.
Like to me that those two ones, it's kind of
got Jamal Adam vibes to me, it's a little different,
doesn't exactly, because I you know, Jamal Adams came and

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then they had to give him a contract extension. He's
already got the contract extension, which I think Chris Ballard
will say is a positive, like he's already on a
cost control deal. But I just I can't I don't know,
I just can't get on board with this one. Today's
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Jerry Jones, who I thought was twin with us last night.
When he's like, I have a I have a big
trade in mind, and then he trades for the dude
that gets benched for the Bengals. Logan Wilson like, this
is what you were telling Stephen A. Smith about? And
it turns out that's not what he was telling Steven
A Smith about. It was he traded for Quinn Williams. Now,

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I don't think it's gonna make that big of a
difference in twenty and twenty five, but having Quinn Williams
on your team, which next year will essentially just be
for your second round pick. There, you're not getting anyone
in the second round that is gonna be as good
as Quinn Williams in twenty twenty six. Right, And here's
the thing. He's under contract next year twenty two million dollars,

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the following year twenty five million dollars. So you get
a high end interior pass rusher on a cost control deal,
and you still control your two first round picks next year.
So I think Jerry's looking at it like, obviously, this
year we're not gonna make the playoffs, but we can
go into next year if we can hit on some
guys in free agency, because we're gonna have a little

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more wiggle room now that we get rid of Micah's deal, right,
and we have these two first round picks that we
can play with a little two. Who's to say our
defense can't take a dramatic step. We already know we're
good on offense. We got some young nucleus. We need
our offensive line to play better than it did last night.
But like, the trade for Dallas makes more sense to

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me than the than the Indie trade. So I like
that deal. And again, if I were the Colts, I
just my philosophy would be as a general manager to
just lean the line scrimmage when all else fails. Lean
the line of scrimmage. I can get a Pro Bowl
defensive lineman. I get a Pro Bowl offensive lineman. I'm

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in how much am I paying for one of the
guys on the outside. I don't know. I would talk
myself out. So in theory, good day for the Jets.
Now they got to hit on the players. The problem is,
if you're a Jets fan, you just gotta watch a
lot of shitty football. Chris ballor just said, it's now
or never. And I think once you make that trade,

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anything less than being in basically the AFC Championship Game
the next couple of years is a major failure. Is
a dramatic failure. You don't need to win the Super Bowl.
You don't even need to get to the Super Bowl,
but I do think you got to be in the
final four. And for the Cowboys, they just use some
of their AMMO. And I think there's gonna be a
ton of pressure on Dallas to nail these draft picks

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in the springtime because they're gonna need some impact guys.
I mean, their defense is atrocious, so they're gonna use
I would imagine both their first round picks on defensive players,
and they're gonna need both of them to be starters,
and probably one of them to be a high end
impact guy. So then you get a couple of high
impact guys, You get Quinn Williams, You got you know,

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a little momentum. You're also looking around, You're like, well,
the Giants stink and Washington has a lot of issues,
so why can't we just vault ourselves to you know,
a wild card caliber team immediately next year? And I
don't necessarily disagree. Okay. The other trade of note was
the Seattle Seahawks, who I would say right now if

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I had to pick a team to win the NFC.
You know, I'm not quite sold on Philadelphia. We'll have
to see how the offensive coordinator and Jalen how that's like,
can they maintain this is a running game, gonna work defensively?
They've added some pieces, what type hop do they get?
Obviously they're you know, a legit contender and easily could
win the NFC. But I do think I would lean

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probably the Rams. As we sit here right now, I
don't think Seattle is that far behind them. And the
only reason I hesitate with Seattles because last year, Sam
in a couple of the big games didn't quite look
like the Sam that we had seen all season. But
right now that defense looks fantastic. I mean, their defensive
line is elite, their secondary play has just ballers everywhere. Offensively,

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it's like their running backs are good. They got multiple
tight ends JSN, I'm just gonna start calling him Jerry Rice.
So to add Shaheed, who is an explosive player. I
mean multiple seasons he's averaged over seventeen yards a catch.
In his quarterback situation in New Orleans has kind of
been a disaster. You know, it was Derek Carr and

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then last year is a bunch of different guys and
now Spence Rattler and Shuck and it's like what is
going on? And this year he has forty four catches
in five hundred yards through nine games, Like he's on
pace obviously to have a career year, but like a
legitimate high end year. I mean, you're talking about a
guy probably between eighty and ninety catches, a thousand yard

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yards and multiple touchdowns. But once you got rid of
dk Metcalf, which clearly was the right move. You do
take away speed from your offense, so you have these
tight ends that can work in the middle of the field.
Jasn could do a little bit of everything. You at
your heat on the outside that gives them explosive playmaker. Well,
what does Sam Darnold like to do. He likes to

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let that thing fly. I mean, look at last year
with Jefferson and Jordan Addison and Naylor. They were throwing bombs.
So you add a more explosive threat, you know, you get.
I don't think they haven't played the Rams yet, have they?
And they still play the forty nine ers again, like
they are in very very good position to uh. I'm

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pulling out their schedule right now to make a legit run.
They play the Cardinals this week. I like Seattle, so
all of a sudden, if Seattle wins this week, they're
seven and two and then they play They still got
the Rams multiple times, they got the forty nine ers,
but they got some, you know, very winnable games, the Panthers,

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the Falcons, the Titans. So I think they go worst case,
if we don't make this deal, we're we're a ten
win team. We're going to be a wild card playoff team.
Can we win thirteen? Can we win the division? And
I think the answer is one hundred percent, yes you can.
And this move their team's already good. I think this

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is just a classic, like this is a good trade, right,
You're not giving a second day pick up for a player,
but you're getting a guy for a fourth and fifth
who could probably over the next eight games. I don't know, realistically,
give you thirty five to forty catches and three or
four touchdowns, you know, for a fourth and a fifth
round pick when you already have the infrastructure of guys

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on the roster. So obviously, Indy Dallas and the Jets
are going to take all the headlines. I think this
was that's GM work. That's that's why John s Nyder
is one of the best in the business. Because Seattle
is a team I dabbled on this one five to
one to win the NFC to start the year. They

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still have longer odds in the Niners and the Rams,
which to me is a little crazy. But I like
Seattle a lot now. I think this this this win
is gonna kind of pay dividends. Other than that, you know,
I think you know, AJ Brown obviously did not get
dealt and you know the Jets didn't trade Breis Hall, who.

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I think the problem is, like people are not trading
at a lot of picks or a valuable pick for
a running back. It's just not going to happen. You're
not giving me a guy on the last year of
his contract for a third round pick at that position.
It's just I'll take a guy from someone's practice squad
before I do that, unless you're talking like Christian McCaffrey
or Saguon Barkley type guys which rarely become available at

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the deadline. Right So, and I think you look around
the league some of these teams that you know are
kind of on the fans. You know, it also takes
two to tangle and an underrated part in the NFL.
That's different from definitely baseball and even basketball. You know,
in basketball, you got a match salaries. In the NFL,
a lot has to do with if I've paid a guy.

(27:14):
If I trade them, it kind of ruins my cap
because the pro rated bonus gets accelerated if you're already
under contract. If I'm trading for you, this is gonna
be the problem for Tua and the Kyler Murray's that
even if I no longer have to pay him guaranteed money,
like when I trade for that contract, it is a
large as they call it in the business P five,

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which is paragraph five, which is your base salary. These
guys make a lot of money, and this is all
puzzle job of how much of my paying guys? How
much am I paying other guys on my roster? And
I think that complicates stuff. So unless you're you know,
clearly ind he thinks Sauce Gardner has great football ahead
of them, Quinn and Williams is a high end football player.

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You know you can talk yourself into those moves a
lot quicker than some of these other guys that may
have larger salaries that are available. But you're like, I
don't know if this is quite worth it. So pretty
entertaining day. I think the NFL is definitely has definitely
improved because when I was a kid, obviously trades in

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the offseason, but you just did not get regular season
trades like we do now, which is awesome because forever
it was like great players got traded in basketball all
the time. Great players always got traded in Baseball at
the trade deadline, and football has really stepped up their game,
which we all win for. It's this is entertainment, and
this is pretty entertaining. Well, thank god, you know Monday

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night football. Because I actually I said I was anti
reading or following anything with the ESPN and the YouTube deal.
I did listen to a podcast and I also read
a couple of articles about it doesn't feel like we're
headed for a resolution anytime soon. And my overall take
is just doing a little of my own research, is

(29:07):
Google is so freaking big and has so much money
they don't need to say yes to anything Disney wants. Obviously.
It's you don't want to have a product which is
only growing by the month, right, that does not have
Monday night Football. That's a pretty important thing to have
on your television bundle that you're offering whatever that we

(29:28):
all pay for it. I don't know, I just press subscribe.
But Google is so much bigger than Disney that at
the end of the day, if this doesn't work out
for them and they don't come off the number in
which they're willing to pay Disney, which I think has
been like close to two billion dollars a year, which
to them is nothing. It's not like they're gonna go under.

(29:52):
It's not like YouTube TV is gonna go away. It's
just gonna be up to based on you know, my
take and my educated guess is that like, is Disney
willing to give in a little bit and go Yeah,
we would like a little more, but this is still
making us a lot of money. And at the end
of the day, we, in a weird way almost need
you more than you need us. And this gets back

(30:13):
to like anyone that's ever followed or read about Costco,
the way they do business with whoever, which it's it's
been stuff of legend that if you want to have
a sku at Costco, if you're Gellett Raisers or you know,
Stanley or whatever the company is, you have to give
them a unique skew inside the building that does not

(30:37):
exist in safe ways and targets anywhere else, only Costco.
But once you get into Costco, they immediately become the
majority of your business, so over time they have all
the leverage over you. You need them, they don't need you.
And that's what this feels like a little bit. Now overall,
I don't really like I'm not a part of the

(30:58):
I'm not gonna profit. I'm not a stockholder in Google
or in Disney. I just want to be able to
turn on my television on Monday night and have ESPN
on YouTube TV. I want to be able to sit
on my couch and just go to YouTube TV to
watch college football games. I don't care about who's got
the leverage here, but I have come to grips with
I don't think this is gonna change anytime soon. And

(31:21):
I don't expect Google to be like, Okay, we're paying
you two billion, Now we'll pay you four and a half.
Because they don't need to do that. They just don't.
So I think Disney, who historically has always had a
lot of juice in these negotiations because you want them
as part of your bundle, it's a big deal, they
finally met someone that's like, yeah, we just do not care.

(31:44):
We truly do not care. And whether that benefits us,
clearly it does not, and it kind of sucks. But
I don't just expect to, like, you know, Google gave
in and gave Disney and Bob Iger what they wanted.
I wouldn't hold your breath for that moment congrats to
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John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram dms wide open,
you guys know the drill. Fire in and get your
questions answered here on this little old podcast. We will
start with LEVI question for the mailbag, how does the
trade deadline actually work? Do the phones in each building

(33:47):
magically turn off at four pm Eastern? Is there some
sort of documentation that needs to be submitted to the
league by for Eastern or you're out of luck? Seems
like a fugazi process. When I was in the NFL,
I would say I remember the landlines at least when
I first got there in Philly in twenty ten, having

(34:08):
a lot of pull. I remember Katie who was how
he's assistant used to be, and I basically sat right
next to her, and then how he was in like
a big office that overlooked our practe facility. She'd be
like Adam Schefter online one. And that feels like, I mean,
that's fifteen years ago. Now, that feels like a lifetime ago.
That there is none of these gms that are doing

(34:30):
any deals that aren't communicating by cell phone, so all
their communication and you see this on all the draft videos.
It's mainly by cell phone texting than calling. But you
do like the thing that's not a fugazi. It's not
about how you figure out the trade between the Jets
and the Colts Chris Ballard and should I forget to

(34:52):
the GM of the Jets name and Glenn and his
guy and Woody. It's about the league knowing and you
have to get it to them. It's like the you
get fifteen minutes you're on the clock in the first round,
you get seven or ten minutes or whatever the second
round is. You just have to have hey, Ty Simpson
by the time it hits double zero or the next
guy can pick. The difference of the deadline is just ends.

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Given how good Flacco has played recently for Cleveland and Cincinnati,
was he being held back when he was in Baltimore?
Would we be talking about him like an elite quarterback
if he had played with a more offensively friendly team.
Love the show? How do you know if the questions
get answered? As if I can't watch or listen to

(35:36):
the shows every day, I guess you'll never know. You know,
you just you hope you're listening on the day that
your question gets answered. This isn't the most buttoned up process.
It's not like an automatic email goes out, which maybe
we're not that far away with AI. If I read
your question, you get an automatic DM or email say
listen to episode whatever this date your question is answered,

(36:00):
We're probably not very far away. But I would say
when it comes to your question about Flacco an elite quarterback,
I don't know if I'd go that far, but I
think it's pretty clear that his strengths weren't always utilized
with the team that focused on defense and running the ball. Now, granted,

(36:24):
if I remember correctly, you know Tory Smith and Kwon
Bolden was Todd Heap, but they were just so defensive
oriented that Yeah. I mean, I think from a deep
ball standpoint, if he would have played with better wide
receivers over the course of his career, it probably would

(36:44):
have looked a little different. I mean, like Tory Smith
was one of his go to guys from eleven, twelve, thirteen,
and fourteen catching fifty forty nine, sixty five, forty nine
balls like that, and that's a guy that were They
draft Tory Smith. They drafted him at the end of
the second round, so there was a lot of that

(37:07):
Steve Smith senior. You know, as an older player, I
definitely think if Flacco at twenty eight years old was
on a team with some star wide receivers, it probably
would have been a more explosive experience for sure. Post
trade deadline. How much pressure now relies on getting the
Jets head coach correct given the massive draft capital over

(37:30):
the next two years. How much pressure is now on
Aaron Glenn this year alone. I talked about this earlier
that this is why these things can crack because it
was like trust the process, Sam Hinkey, Brett Brown until
it wasn't right. So by the time we get to

(37:51):
the twenty twenty seven draft, which I think on paper
right now the Jets have three ones and two twos.
Could be wrong on that, they definitely have five ones
right over the course of two years. Is the coach
who has judged on wins and losses going to be

(38:13):
able to survive several years of not winning when the
franchise has already been not winning for a long time.
That's the problem. Like they have been really bad now
for a long period of time. So clearly the GM
is like this is personnel. People have wet dreams to

(38:34):
have this type draft capital coaches do not because it's like, well,
by twenty twenty eight, some of these players could be popping.
It's like, well, what if they're not. You know what
if you miss on some players I saw with the
Raiders when they traded a Khalil Mack. All of a sudden,
they're drafting guys that are out of the league, So
it can I never fought a bad team for making

(38:59):
one of these trades. But also now the pressure like
saus Gardner was a two time All Pro, Quentin Williams
has been a guy that's been to several Pro Bowls.
You're literally just gonna try to draft those type guys again. Right,
they didn't trade Garret Wilson, but you're just gonna try
to draft another Garrett Wilson. If Aaron Glen's can survive this,

(39:21):
he's not only mentally tough, he uh they like him
a lot as a guy. I think it's really really
hard in football to just overcome negative perception that's already
surrounding the franchise that he has nothing to do with,
and then just several years of losing. Even if there
is in theory light at the end of the tunnel.

(39:42):
But we've seen them with a lot of really good
players and no quarterback and nothing matters. So the only
thing that matters with the Jets because like they can
have Pro Bowl guys in different positions. If your quarterback
position sucks, you have no chance, like with the Jets,
like would struggle being Ohio State. If you're not gonna

(40:02):
complete passes, their team's gonna be really bad now, right,
I mean you've traded away multiple corners, you traded away
your star defensive lineman. You're just gonna have players checking out.
We're your human beings, right. I'm a big believer, and
I give a lot of guys credit for being a
high level pro. I was on a walk this morning
and I heard Colin say, like how much he respects

(40:24):
Jakobe Brissette. Listen. I try to surround myself just like
probably most of you, with a lot of guys that
are high level guys that are focused. I do like
my wild cards every once in a while. And we're
human beings and we can gravitate toward you know, certain things,
and I don't care who you are when something really
sucks and it is not fun and in sports. When

(40:45):
you're losing all the time, even if you're a high
character guy, it's easy to kind of kind of check out.
So I'm not saying these guys are just gonna all
out quit, but it is gonna be. The pressure on
Aaron Glenn to just keep players trying is gonna be
a lot harder than you would expect in the National

(41:07):
Football League. Feeling like Arizona is ready to move on
from Kyler, any chance he bounces back with some other organization,
I'll piggyback because the next question is, you know in
the same lane too, a huge fan of the Pod,
and let's do as much as I can. My question
is Nick Wright said last offseason that Kyler Murray would

(41:27):
be the Pittsburgh Steelers starting quarterback Week one in twenty
twenty six. With the way Brissett is playing, it wouldn't
shock me if Arizona got rid of him. Well, I
think today he's officially been benched, right, which the Man
on the Moon could see coming, like they weren't gonna
go to Kyler Murray when Jacoby's been playing like this,
He's dramatically just better player and their most prized possession

(41:49):
over the last couple of years is Marvin Harrison, and
Marvin Harrison is alive. When Jacoby plays, he doesn't exist.
When Kyler plays like that impacts it regardless. I just
don't think he has any trade value. I really don't,
you know one you would much rather have, you know.

(42:11):
I think they will try to get Aaron Rodgers to
come back and play another year, and I think there's
a decent chance that that happens. But you would rather
have Aaron Rodgers at forty two years old than this
version of Kyler Murray. I don't know if Kyler Murray's
really rehabbable. Like my take on Kyler kind of is

(42:32):
what he is. He's a five to nine guy who
can't see who is inconsistent because he can't see who
can run around and make good plays. But also when
you run around a lot, sometimes shit hits the fan.
It doesn't go your way. That's why the Cardinals like,
if you watch him on the right day, they can
look really good. If you watch him on the wrong day,
they can look atrocious. One thing that isn't debatable with

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Arizona is like they got a lot of good players.
Their defensive line is real, especially with the first rounder
back Trey McBride is one of the best players in
the NFL on offense. Let me repeat that, he is
one of the best players quarterbacks, linemen, receivers, tight ends.
That's how good that guy is. And listen, I just

(43:15):
I'm just a product of what I see though. That's
where my takes come from. So I was like, I
don't know if I really see it with Marvin Harrison.
Now you watch him and go, God, Marvin, I don't
know if he's going to be some superstar or his father,
but he can be a really, really good player and
you're starting to see that now, you know. I said this.
The reason it's like they got to cut De Marcado

(43:35):
after he dropped the ball, Well, the reason they didn't
cut him, guys, was because one they're starting running back
what James Conner do shatter his ankle? Like they have
lost running backs. I kind of like De Marcado. So
now you get Jacoby with some just real weapons, you know,
a running game that has been semi effective, and a
defense is pretty good, like Nick Rawlis. I actually flew

(43:58):
back from the Combine a couple of years ago and
he was on my plane with another coach I was
sitting in the back of the bird. He was in
first class. He got to give Bidwell a little credit
for taking care of his coordinators. But I remember looking
at him. I didn't know that much about him. I
knew he was coming. He was a position coach for Philly,
and I remember I was probably thirty seven at the time, thinking, God,
this guy looks really really young. I think he's good.

(44:21):
I mean, I think him and Jonathan Gannon, I think
the Cardinals have been a pretty well coached team. It's
just Kyler Murray. You see it in college, in the
pros all the time. You could have a solid team
if your quarterback situation is in flux. I'm not even
talking a disaster. It's just up and down. It's hard
to function. Okay, we got a doozy coming here. This

(44:45):
is from This is a little out of left field.
Why isn't Bo Knicks being talked about more in the
MVP discussion? Drake May has been vaulted into being a favorite,
Yet May and Knicks have similar numbers on the season.
You have admitted that May has done so with an
absolute joke of a schedule. I haven't admitted that the

(45:08):
stats you literally say it, they have the easiest schedule
in the NFL. If we go into dird mode and
take all of the negative quarterback stats i int. Fumble, sacks,
et cetera, and subtract those from the positive stats yards TVs.
Rushing total yards, only Dak Prescott, Herbert and Mahomes have
had better seasons than Bonis. Add in the clutch gene

(45:31):
leadership and being his best win as best as ass
and it would seem that the national media moves the
goalpost when it comes to Bonix. I just cut really
quick on Kyler. His cap hits the next couple of years,
fifty three million, forty three million. You'd have to pay
him in cash next year forty two and thirty six

(45:56):
feels a little extreme. Let me just bring up bon
Nicks here quick, because I would imagine his stats when
you just look at him, don't look atrocious. His team's
obviously seven to two. He's thrown seventeen touchdowns and has
six interceptions. My guess also is he has a couple

(46:19):
rushing touchdowns, right, So he has three rushing touchdowns. So
he has accounted for twenty touchdowns, six picks, and one
lost fumble. So twenty touchdowns and seven turnovers. It is
not terrible by any means, nowhere near the MVP. I
would say, here's the problem for bo The eye test
has been atrocious. He has had games where he's borderline

(46:43):
unplayable for quarters on end. And you're talking to a
guy that has the ticket on Denver to win the division,
on a ticket on them to make the Super Bowl.
I'd be lying if I said I have a lot
of confidence, because yes, he has had some of that
t bow magic in the fourth quarter throwing touchdown. But
you can't win the MVP when you play like shit
throughout a lot of games. I wouldn't vote for Drake

(47:05):
Man as the MVP. He's not getting many votes, I
don't think. But like comparing him to the Baker Mayfields,
the Matt Staffords, the Sam Darnold's, the Mahomes, Josh Allens,
like they just play well throughout the game, right, So
bo Nick's a lot of his good games, it's been
like the fourth quarter against the Eagles, big play against
the Texans. It's like, you gotta do that throughout the game.

(47:29):
So I to me, it's not even a discussion. I
don't think you could watch bow Nicks play through the
first two months of the season and say with a
straight face he's an MVP candidate. Regardless about Drake May
big Giants fan here is from Russell, not Wilson. If

(47:50):
they clean house, are the Giants an attractive team for
the best available head coach? Slash GM seems like day
Ball isn't good enough to overcome bad draft picks and
the lame duck coach. After firing the GM never works.
I just think we have to ask ourselves who are
the top candidates? So regardless, let's even if this is

(48:10):
not a defense or a criticism of what they should
do with Dable, like fire him he sucks or keep him.
Let's just say it's open. The Giants have an open
GM and an open head coach. Well, who are the
top available candidates? Young Joe Brady. The Giants can't afford
to do that same thing with Kubiak, can't afford to

(48:31):
do that. I can't have a first time head coach.
We have done this a couple times in a row
now and day Ball and Joe Judge, and it has
blown up in our face. I think we've tried the
retread the Pat Schirmer that sucked. We tried like the
up and coming star McAdoo who was already in our building.
That sucked. I think, if anything, what they need to do,
and they struck. It turned out to be gold because

(48:53):
they won two super Bowls with the guy is a
proven hard ass kind of retread. When I say retread,
guy who's already been a head and had some success
in Tom Coughlin. So who is that version of a guy?
Does Mike McCarthy make sense? Doesn't quite feel legal enough
for New York. On the text thread that we're on

(49:14):
here for three and out, Lane Kiffen's name got thrown
out there because of his connection with Jackson Dart. While
Lane has done a huge rehab, literally right, completely sobered up,
looks fantastic. Family's a huge part of his life, looks
like God's a big part of his life. A lot
of question marks a couple of years before that, and

(49:37):
you know it was the reason he wasn't getting any
other interviews. Now I'm talking college, not the pros. I
have a hard time seeing the giants brass look past that.
At least there's a lot of risk involved and I
you know, short lived stint with the Raiders probably not happening,

(49:58):
sark Uh, if he truly is interested and they got
a quarterback, would he be interested? But who are these
guys GM's gonna be? Do you hire a GM first
and let them hire a coach? How about the Arthur
Smith Matt Naggi type guys? Uh, I think you would
have to take them into consideration. Guys you know Atlanta
and in Chicago, right, but there's not you know, a

(50:21):
Ben Johnson level guy, a no brainer, And there's not
a Mike Vrabel on this market. So I think it
makes it really difficult. You know, could you shoot for
the stars and go with the young up and coming
Joe Brady Kubiak? You could, But I think the New
York's a tough spot for that man. I think he
can eat you alive and spitch you out. So I

(50:41):
think in a perfect world you'd hire like Mike Vrabel,
like that human. That's where I think, you know, what
you'd be rooting for is like John Harbaugh or Mike
Tomlin to get a divorce, Because if one of those
guys get a divorce, they are one hundred percent you're hire.
You're not looking to win the super Bowl, You're just
looking to get the train back on the tracks. And
that's all the Giants are looking to do. Make forward progress,

(51:04):
no pun intended, just get going in the right direction.
See everyone's standards a little different, Right, if the Packers
get bounced in round one and Lafleur gets fired, they're
looking to take the next step. They're looking for a
guy and get him over the hump. Right, he's already proven,
like he can get him to ten, twelve, thirteen wins.
He can get if you give him a star quarterback,

(51:26):
they can win an MVP. You give him an unknown
in Jordan Love. He can play well, but just something's
a little off, So they'd be looking to take that
next step. I don't know who that exactly is. You know,
the Giants, the bar so low, you're just looking to
get it going, like Tomlin or John Harbaugh could get
you going. I think Mike Tomlin makes a lot of
sense there. If the Pittsburgh thing ends ugly, which is

(51:49):
always a chance that happens based on recent history. A
lot of questions about Kyler Murray. I have a hard
time seeing them trade him when he's making forty thirty
five million dollars. I just what teams get what team
would pay Kyler Murray next year forty million dollars If
Kyler Murray was a free agent at the end of
this year, does he get a multi year deal? I

(52:13):
doubt it. And if you do give a multi year deal,
you usually a bad team. I mean, honestly, for the
Jets are gonna get a lot of credit today because
they got a bunch of draft picks. They also this
offseason gave two years and forty million dollars to Justin Fields.
And I'm not pocket watching. I'm all for anyone getting
as much money as they can. Good on his agent

(52:34):
for negotiating that contract. But in what world would a
good GM have giving Justin Fields thirty million dollars guaranteed?
So how do we trust that these guys know what
they're doing? That's where it gets scary. Do you think
may and Vrabel have a decent shot at a Super

(52:55):
Bowl if they stay together the next five to ten years. Also,
who would you say best comp is. I've heard people
compare him to Big Ben, but I don't see it.
I think he's more like a Herbert Josh Allen hybrid
big Ben. I would say Big Ben and Cam Newton
like those two guys don't have comps. I remember one

(53:17):
time going to a game a candlestick probably would have
been like twenty thirteen, and the forty nine Ers were
playing the Panthers, and the Panthers beat him. And this
is when the Niners, like Harball was in the peak
of his powers and they were good. I remember just
going to Cam Newton's press conference because I just wanted
to see what he looked like like close, just thinking,
this guy's fucking huge. I remember thinking the same thing
for Big Ben, seeing him play the Raiders a couple

(53:39):
of times and seeing him run out the tunnel. He
was just a massive human being. So to me, Drake
May is not as physical as those type guys. I
do think the Herbert, you know, basing his personality, pretty
low key guy, good looking, kind of easy going, you know,
Herbert's West Coast personality. May is from the Carolinas, but

(54:04):
feels like he's a pretty easygoing guy. You know, he's
basically six four and a half two hundred and thirty pounds.
Josh Allen feels like a kind of twitchier, more explosive
athlete than May. I think Herbert's a relatively fair comp
I think Drake may looks like what people hope Trevor

(54:25):
Lawrence was gonna look like. Saws for two first rounders
seems to be a lot. Do you think two first
rounders would have gotten one of the league's consistently elite

(54:47):
corners such as Patrick Sartan, Well, he wouldn't have been available.
So it's like, unless you're willing to give me, I
don't want to trade him. He's the best player on
my team. I don't know much about him person, but
I just based on the way he plays and the
way the team extend him, I would imagine their their leader,
team captain, just like your dude. Well, we don't trade

(55:11):
our dudes when we're good. Now, this is a business.
If you offer me four ones and three two's, like
we get to a point where you could get to
a number where I have to say yes. But the
trade that Indy made with the Jets, not only the
Broncos immediately hang up, but like they're just not in

(55:33):
the business of trading that guy. And Patrick certain is
a much better player than Sauce Gardner. Honestly, I mean
I don't even think it's close. I think the scary
thing for Sauce is how different the last year and
a half has been from the first two years. And

(55:54):
I think it's scary to give that much up for
a guy that's very expensive, who carries himself like an elite,
but he's playing like a mid You know, I'm all
four for trading for elite guy like Michael Parsons carries
himself like a shit don't stink. Well, here's what I
know about Michael Parsons. He's gonna get me fifteen sacks

(56:14):
and he's gonna pressure the quarterback a lot in big
time spots, even if you know you'd like a little
more in certain spots as an all around player. Given
I'm giving him two hundred million dollars, like I would
like Miles Garrett over him, but like I can handle
having Mike, Mike is an elite. I just don't view
Sauce as an elite. Pastri Tan's an elite. Stingley is

(56:36):
one of the elites. And I think a huge part
about playing corner is it's hard to be a dominant
player at that position and not be an exceptional athlete. Like,
think about this the greatest corner in my lifetime. It
was really struggling right now as a coach, but is
considered pound for pound, one of the greatest athletes in

(56:59):
the history of this great nation. Deon Sanders. I would
say one of the best corners of the Internet era
is Darrell Reeves, who is also considered, for the prime
of his career, one of the best athletes in the league.
Richard Sherman was a wide receiver transitioned to defensive back.

(57:21):
He's a I mean, he tackles like or when he
played like he was a linebacker. So it's like he's
not going to be as fluid as Prime in reevs.
But what he makes up for because Dion was such
a good athlete. It's like, they don't pay me to tackle,
and he's right because he's breaking up balls. But in

(57:44):
this league, like especially with how spread out it is,
people are gonna come at you. So like Richard Sherman
sixty three to two hundred pounds and he runs a
four or five three, you know, I think Sauce, I
think most people would consider Sauce Gardner like a four
or five five guy, you know, and Patrick Shirtan is

(58:05):
just a much better athlete. Like what did Sauce run
at the combine. I think you might have run in
the four fours. He ran four four one. He doesn't
play like that anymore though, what did uh patrick? Certain?
I want the I want the son. It's crazy. I
mean they got pretty good geans in that family. You

(58:25):
got dad and son. He ran a four four one two.
This is where you gotta be careful. Who plays faster.
People like middle Cope just a hater, just a hater
on Sauce. I got nothing against I actually kind of
like him. He's a big golfer. I like the guy.
I just if you would have said, hey traded one
first round pick for a one and a four and

(58:46):
even a player and they got a little overpaid. But
I get it. Two ones two ones is like for
Khalil Mack and Jalen Ramsey. I've seen someone trade two
ones and it's probably one of their biggest regrets for
Jamal Adams, and it backfired. Felt like they regretted that
trade immediately. When you trade for a guy who is

(59:07):
a defensive back, safety or corner, that guy better be
able to dominate and coverage because you're gonna play teams
who we're gonna come after that guy relentlessly. If you can't,
and that happened to Jamal Adams, and I get it.
It's not you know, he's a safety, this guy's a corner.
But I don't know. As a Bears fan, I remember
hearing during the offseason that Aaron Glenn was a culture

(59:29):
guy and Ben Johnson was a nerdy coordinator who couldn't
lead a locker room. Would you say at the midway
through the season, it's safe to say Ben Johnson ended
up being the true culture guy out of Detroit and
not Aaron Glenn. It really seems like Chicago has had
a culture shift. I think there's one drastic difference between

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the two guys. Let's just say there's seventy plays on
offensive defense or at the game right well, Aaron Glenn
and Ben Johnson. Last year, both of them dictated the
entire game. One guy called the offense, the other guy
called the defense. For the Lions, well transition to this year,
Ben Johnson impacts the offense every single time they step

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on the field. And I think even when the games
they've lost, any Bears fans can attest to this. Wherever
we fall on Caleb Williams, where he's at right now,
Ben Johnson's play calling has been awesome even when plays
don't work. You like, damn so that one Jesus. Ben
Johnson's big time is a play caller. So whether you're like,

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most offensive guys are not Sean McVeigh, you know, are
not Sean Payton. They could be pretty loud and pretty aggressive,
like Andy Reid's team meetings. He's not given New Rockney speeches.
It's not really Kyle Shanahan's deal. Matt Lafleur, I think
tries to be like that, that's not really his thing.
You think Kevin O'Connell is just like this is their

(01:00:56):
offensive guys. Doesn't mean they can't communicate and like give
a good post games speech, but their leadership starts and
their impact where the offensive guys and obviously the defensive
guys goes Scott. This guy knows what he's fucking doing.
So when you're the culture guy and you're not calling
offense or defense and your team sucks, it's kind of hard, right.

(01:01:18):
It's like, it's pretty easy to I could direct Seal
Team six, like, hey man, you guys go that way
and they'll just kick ass and take names. But you
give me a couple guys, never held a weapon, never
stood a post. We're probably getting lit up like a
Christmas tree out on the front lines. So it's like,
you take over the Jets and you're not calling the defense.

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How many raw ros speeches can you give? And I'm
pro like, I understand the CEO head coach, but like,
I just think you can get away from you fast
when you really really suck, especially when you've never done it,
like Mike Vrabel. Someone would be like, well, Vrabel's doing
it in New England. Yeah, but he's done this now
for a long time. He's in that role in Tennessee.

(01:02:01):
This was a big jump for both guys. The difference
is Ben Johnson just has to add team speeches, but
as a play caller, he's doing the same thing. He's
just running the offense and the defense. He hired a
high level guy to do that, where the Jets is like, well,
you're a defensive guy, but you're letting Steve Wilkes do this.
You mean Steve Wilke's the guy the forty nine Ers
fired after they lost the Super Bowl, who when you

(01:02:22):
look through his resume, is little little iffy by all
the cows. Steve Wilke's nice guy. I'm not sure he'd
be the guy I wanted my defensive coordinator. We're Aaron Glenn,
you were this great defensive coordinator last year. It's like
if I heard Kelvin Shephard at LSU. I bet Kelvin.
I want you to be a head coach. I love

(01:02:43):
your personality former player, but I also want if you're
gonna be the head coach LSU, I want you to
call plays too. And I get you know, Aaron Glenn
wanted to be like the coach. It's like, bro, you're
your point of difference, right, Like for example, what I do.
One thing we've figured out over the years is I

(01:03:03):
could have on Tiger Woods or Patrick Mahomes and it'd
be cool and it's good for brand. He's like, damn
middle Confinlan died Patrick Mahomes and Tiger Woods in a
week on his podcast. It'd be cool. But you know
what people really like and where we do well and
where we really shine is like the Colts traded for
Sauce Garner, What is your take? They don't want to

(01:03:24):
hear other they want to hear me. So like we've
leaned into like my opinions, as Jim Rome once famously said,
have an opinion, don't suck. So when things happen, I react.
It's the business I'm in. It's been pretty lucrative. I'm
happy to do it. But like we lean into what
we're good at here, and I think sometimes these coordinators

(01:03:46):
they get away from it and it's like, Sola, it's
happened now with all these Jets guys. Brian day Ball
is wavered back and forth, like Brian, we hired you
because you were sweet, play collar at Alabama and then
went with Josh Allen, And it's like you call play,
sometimes you don't call plays. It's like, what are we doing?
And I look around the league. The best teams most

(01:04:09):
of the time. I mean, the Eagles are a little
bit of an outlier. But when you look at the AFC,
the chiefs Andy Reid play caller, the Broncos play caller, right,
Sean McDermott calls the defense. So I just think it's
not a tried and true you know, the Hardbob brothers don't.
But obviously the NFC is littered with that. Mike McDonald

(01:04:31):
defensive coordinator, Sean McVay offensive coordinator, forty nine ers, Kyle
Shanahan offensive coordinator, Minnesota offensive coordinator, Green Bay offensive coordinator,
Tampa Bay, Todd Bowles defensive coordinator, Like I want my
blue chip guys un listen. Not everyone is a schematic genius. Boy.
I saw Aaron Glenn last year win the division with

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basically me and you out there on the field for
them and under no circumstances in a game with the
division on the line and the number one seed on
the line. Should you ever be able to win a
game against an elite offense, which just I mean guys
that have no business being on the field in a
game for a fifteen win team, and he did it.

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It was remarkable. Even Troy Aikman said this year watching
Kelvin Shepard, like what he's doing with these players he's
run is like one of the most if trougman I think.
He said it is one of the most incredible things
I've ever seen, basically saying, this is one of the
best performances I've ever called as a broadcaster, because they
have no business being this good on defense. And then
all of a sudden, you say, I'll just stop calling

(01:05:34):
defense gift speeches. I'll uh you know, be like the
dude in Miracle Again, or be like Denzel and you
know in one of the movies, or al Pacino, Like
you start watching those things like what what did Denzel say?
And remember the Titans? What did Pacino say? At any
given Sunday? Because that's that's what your job becomes a
lot of leadership, which is cool and important. Do you
know what. I like my coach to be a leader

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and call the place, unless you're fucking Nicks or Bill Belichick,
Like I just I need you. I need you on
a headset down stuff up, especially when you're good at it,
especially when you're good at like Jim Harbaugh get it,
probably couldn't do it, never done it. Don't want him
doing it. He's proven, doesn't need to do it. You
can figure it out. Aaron Glenn, Robert Sala are too examples.

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Some of these defensive guys immediately pivot into the CEO.
It's like, guys, I think you're actually making it harder
on yourself. But like he's not alone, so it's not
like he's the only guy on an island doing this,
but it definitely feels a little more defensive oriented. These
guys just immediately become like the Jamie Diamond of their organization.

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