November 6, 2025 • 47 mins
Colin Cowherd starts with the Los Angeles Lakers hot start under head coach JJ Redick, even with LeBron James on the sidelines. Colin explains why Redick’s coaching style could reshape the future of the Lakers franchise and what it means for the NBA’s most glamorous team.
Then, Colin turns to the NFL trade deadline, giving Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys credit for making smart, forward-looking moves — even after parting ways with Micah Parsons. Colin believes the Cowboys are now in a better position than they’ve seen in years.
Plus, Greg Cosell of NFL Films joins the show to break down the impressive development of quarterback Caleb Williams and how head coach Ben Johnson has transformed the Chicago Bears offense into one of the NFL’s most exciting units in the NFL.
Topics Covered:
- JJ Redick’s impact on the Lakers’ early-season success
- How LeBron James’ absence is fueling LA’s growth
- Jerry Jones’ Cowboys trade deadline strategy
- Why the Cowboys are better without Micah Parsons
- Greg Cosell on Caleb Williams’ breakout with the Bears
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
It is a Thursday. Welcome in. It's the Herd. You
gotta play, hurt man, You're not always it one hundred percent.
Nobody cares. No tears shed. We're live, We're in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be watching or listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. So you were at the Spurs Lakers game
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last night. Lakers went close late years and years ago.
This was probably twenty years ago. I was taught I
can do an NBA exec. I was court side of
a game and I got there early. Did you get
there early?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Last name?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Not early enough? All right?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
So you get there really early, an hour and a
half before, and like people come by and he said
something to me, and it's how I want to start
my show stars in the NBA. In basketball, it's not
like baseball. They don't have slumps. They can have a
bad quarter, but guys like Luca are always going to
get theirs, the late Kobe Wilt, Jerry Wett.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It doesn't matter. Stars get theirs.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Great coaching is taking a B minus player and making
him a B plus player, taking a C plus player
and making him a B player. You're not going to
turn Broddy James into Lebron James. You're not going to
jump a grade and a half. But that's what JJ
Reddick did and he's doing this year. Ruey Hachimora is
a good B player. He's playing like an A player.
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He's shooting sixty percent from the field. He's shooting forty
seven percent from three. That's an A player career high
end scoring. Now, it's early in the NBA season where
even the Chicago Bulls are winning right Like, nobody's playing
defense now.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But the two.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Biggest plays in last night's game could have been Ruey
took a big charge, hit a big three. That is
what JJ Reddick is doing. So last night you didn't
have Lebron, you didn't have Austin Reeves. A couple nights ago,
you didn't have Luca, so it's mix and match. But
he's doing a great job, especially on offense, to squeeze
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the juice out of his mid level players, like, for instance,
DeAndre Ayton, who there they got for free. Basically Portland's
pay his salary. DeAndre Ayton's hot and cold. He's played
very well the best he's played. The Lakers lead the
NBA and field goal percentage. They're five to zero in
close games. Yet lucas one of the top two to
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three players in the world and skinny jeans, Luca is unstoppable. Rebounds, assists, points, putbacks,
He's gonna get Kobe always got his. But can you
take those be guys? Go back to Phil Jackson. What
he got out of a Rick Fox or a Derek Fisher.
That's the key to this stuff. What do you get
out of your number four starter? I mean, just last
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week Austin Reeves look like Luca and I think that's
what I watch with JJ Reddick that in basketball, the
top ten global stars are just gonna always get theirs.
Can you squeeze stuff out of the B minus guys?
And this year if you look at the last two seasons,
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because now the culture's been built by JJ Reddick, all
without Lebron James this year six points a game more.
And the new pieces old Marcus Smart, veteran DeAndre Ayton,
the young kid Jake la Ravia. They're all playing the
best they've played right now. They're all playing excellent basketball.
And the Lakers are not a good defensive team. They
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don't have a great defensive rim protector, they're not super
athletic on the wing. But Wemby fouled out last night.
Wemby shoots thirty five percent from the floor. They imposed
their will on Wemby and it was a very impressive effort.
He's not going to have many games as ugly and
inartistic as last night. So what I see right now,
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I see coaching. I see JJ Reddick taking his C
plus and B minus guys and moving them up half
a grade.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That was always always Phil Jackson.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Kobe would have been great, Michael would have been great
with or without Phil Jackson, but it was Phil's ability
to build Steve Kerr into a trustable component alongside Michael
Jordan to get the most out of marginally talented bigs
That's always been Phil Jackson's greatest asset. That's what JJ
Reddick does, and they're doing it without Lebron and it's
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what championship teams do. It's what Dave Roberts did with
Miguel Rojas for the Dodgers. Otani's eventually going to get his. Eventually,
Freddie Freeman's going to get his. Can you take the
be guys and make them b plus guys? And JJ
Reddick talks about the win and his current culture.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Sometimes the things you emphasize and the things that make
that you make a daily priority.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Becomes your team.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
And that doesn't always happen, but that was a priority
for us coming into this season. We're just constantly encouraging
and empowering our guys to get connected. I believe that
if you're connected off the floor, you're connected on the floors.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I got to tell you, the city of Los Angeles
has really good coaches. McVeigh and Harbaugh, JJ Reddick, Dave Roberts.
I mean, it's pretty remarkable. There's some even our college
coaches out here. If you look at the Lakers right now,
and again it's early. Nobody plays defense in October and November,
in the NBA, they really don't. A lot of teams
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are out of their mind shooting really high percentages. But
in a very crowded West, remember long stretches. Lebron hasn't played,
Austen Reeves is out now, Luca's miss games. It's what
he's doing with Aighton, it's what he's doing with Smart,
It's what he's doing with these kind of B minus
C plus Ruie right now is playing the best basketball
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of his career. Ruey's a nice player. He's not this nice,
but give JJ Ruddick a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Of credit for that.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Okay, I was here on Tuesday sick yesterday, and Tuesday
was the trade deadline show. And I'll say this, I've
been very critical of the Dallas Cowboys for a long time,
but I am in total disagreement. I watched a little
of shows yesterday. I'm in total disagreement with virtually every
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other media member on what the Cowboys did with Micah
and these moves to get Quinn Williams. So one of
the things I liked about the Micah move it created
liquidation and flexibility and diversification. They were going to be
too top heavy and Jerry Jones is a deal maker,
and if they signed Luca, between Ceedee, Lamb and Dak,
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they just have no flexibility, no diversification.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
They be top heavy.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So I think one of the things that's being overlooked
that the Cowboys did in this deal to get Quinn Williams.
They retained they kept both number one picks in this
coming draft in April.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
They gave up a first the draft after because this
draft has two things that benefit the Cowboys. Tons of
good edge rushers. Now with Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams
interior linemen that are way above average, one of them's
a star, they'll go get an edge rusher to add
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to that.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
The second thing they have is.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
A quarterback in a quarterback rich draft where eight teams
are desperate for one. So those picks they give up
to the Jets, they can get those back with the
flexibility and diversification of two first round picks and what
you can do with it. And so the draft has
an edge rusher replace Micah and quarterbacks don't need move
down that pick.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So that's what I love.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The second thing is Dallas is saying, and I totally
agree with them, by acquiring Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark.
What they're telling you is they view interior defensive linemen
as more valuable than edge rushers. And I'm here to
tell you I totally agree. The New England Patriots this
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year spent money on interior defensive line, number one rush
defense in the NFL. You know who else has a
really good interior defensive line spends money on it? The
Colts top five run defense. Here are the teams that
have excellent interior defensive linemen, Tampa, Seattle, Denver, Colts, Patriots, Rams, Eagles.
That's a different body type. Edge rushers are like wide receivers.
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You can find tall guys, great athletes six four and
a half, six five and a half that can catch
the football or Russia passer. It is incredibly rare to
find somebody who's six' two three point twenty with good.
Feet that's What Quinn williams. Has, Okay So Kenny clark
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And Quinn williams give YOU i, mean what's the strength
Of philadelphia this? Year why can't The rams Beat? Philadelphia
because they can't Block davis and The kid out Of.
Georgia they can't block those two Interior. Carter they can't block.
Them that's why they lost this year Against, philliots why
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they lost in the playoffs last. Year they're struggling to
block those. Guys So dallas has, said we Love, micah
but will take flexibility and INTERIOR d line over an
expensive edge. Rusher Julian edelman was On my show On
tuesday and he talked about this during The Patriot it's.
Dynasty brady gets credit And grong gets, Credit belichick gets.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Credit he, said it's the INTERIOR d.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Line we wouldn't have been The New England patriots if
it wasn't For seymour Or Will fork like we had
there and there's a bunch of other Guys branch and
and there's a bunch of. Guys but the interior, part
if you got a guy that can take away two,
gaps that's tough on the run. Game and once you
start to make a team one dimensional and they can't
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run the, football then you can dial up better you,
know coverage for your secondary and you can get more.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Creative, yeah and everybody's, like, Oh dallas is making bad.
Moves what they did is they, said we don't want
to be top heavy with.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Salaries we want more.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Flexibility go ask any great business person what they. Want
it's not just, assets it's the ability to acquire them
or move off.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Them they want.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Flexibility dallas couldn't afford a running Back Derrick henry for
eight million dollars two years. Ago jerry's an, Entrepreneur jerry's a.
Businessman his hands were. Tied he Didn't he wanted, flexibility
the ability to. Diversify and then they move their importance
on defense from the. Edge inside every EXECUTIVE i talk,
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to they always talk about rare, skills rare body. Type,
seattle THE Gm John snyder just went and got a
deep threat receiver For Sam darnold's. Why how many people
on the planet run a four to two eight FORTY
a four three two? Forty not? Many So Quinn williams
is a unique body. Type Chris. Jones i'm not Saying
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Miles garrett isn't a great edge, rusher but you can
Move Chris jones all over the defensive. Line And i'm
not Saying Max crosby's not. Amazing but when you can
get that great left, tackle that receiver that runs a
four to two, nine that interior defensive lineman with good, feet.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It's just more valuable than an edge. Rusher SO i
like What dallas has.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Done Lebron james still not. Playing apparently he's getting closer to,
playing ramping up to five on. Five should be back By.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Thanksgiving it's going to be interesting to see how he Meshes.
Colin The lakers vibes are amazing right. Now everybody Understands
luca is the fulcrum of the. Team yes reeves his
secondary and we all operate around.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Him AND i think the delta Between lebron And luca
will grow like it the last couple of. Years last, year,
overweight still, Healing luca And lebron just dependent on the.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Night some nights it Was, lebron some nights it Was.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Luca this Is luca's team by a significant.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Stretch does it feel like a guy who was the
man in high school goes off to, college a new
guy takes over the high school, team and the guy
comes back from college and is, like, oh things have changed.
Here it feels like everybody's catering To, luca WHICH i
don't have a problem. With it's just how Does lebron
sit in to that? Offense it Could benky or he's
a professional and, says.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
HEY i Got lebron's always been better on ball than
off because he still remains a streaky, shooter and So
luca can do. Both but he is the best on
ball player they. Have SO i Want. LUCA i said
this before in the, OFFSEASON i said the gap Between
lebron And luca is going to be noticeable this. YEAR
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i Think luca has a chance to WIN mvp If wemby.
DOESN'T i Think luca is going to jump over The
SGAs The honises this. Year it's going to be A
Jokic Wemby luca season in THE. NBA i still don't
think they're good enough, defensively and you can't take too
much From NOVEMBER nba.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Basketball nobody's locked in defensively.
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Speaker 4 (14:55):
See well in THE, us he's not as good As,
Indiana that's. Why so you see this sometimes we're a
great actor has a. Role you, Know Tom hanks does the,
terminal he makes a bad. Choice you see great. Regress
Marlon brando had. Bombs you see a Zagat Michelin star,
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you see great slowly sometimes kind of regress into. Good
you very rarely see hot dog on a stick becomes zagget.
Rated you don't see you, know atrocious become. Exceptional like
it just doesn't, happen especially in. Sports So Sam darnold
was so bad In New. YORK i was, LIKE i
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don't know what. HAPPENED i thought he was going to
be sort of a little bit Of Andrew luck his
last two. Years he is now with all, analytics the
best quarterback in THE. Nfl, NO i, mean and they
just Added Rashid, shaheed a deep. Threat so now he's
got a deep THREAT js and that rookie From Colorado
state the old lines. Better he's literally gone from unplayable
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to best guy in the. League AND i was, saying
if you just count quarterbacks that have, played you, know
every game this, year you can't Count Lamar jackson in
This what is the quarterback pyramid based just on this
year alone for quarterback? Play what does it look? Like
and this is what it looks. Like sorry for the radio.
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Audience we have a Little collins quarterback performance. Period donald's number,
One alan And stafford right below, Him drake May Herbert, Baker, Mayfield, Mahomes,
Jones prescott And. Golf now that's not necessarily that far from. Reality,
now if you're talking, Careers mahomes would be at the.
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Top but if you're talking, today this, Second Sam darnold
is the best quarterback in THE. Nfl it is. Unbelievable
you just don't see. That, ever you could, say, well
what About. Baker baker In cleveland won a playoff game
and the year he, did his quarterback rating WAS i
think it was ninety six or ninety. EIGHT i think
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it was ninety. Six sam's passerating In New york was
not even good for a. Backup he had more turnovers than.
Touchdowns like forget the winning wasn't. Productive it was. Awful
and we know now that everybody's awful with The, jets
but what he is doing is incredibly.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Rare So.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Bill belichick was on a podcast yesterday And i've said
this multiple times on the. Show the hottest quarterback in
the league outside Of Sam darnold is Probably Matt. Stafford
And i've said before where you land in THE nfl
matters a. Lot If stafford would have landed In Green
bay And Aaron, rodgers who can be, moody would have
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landed In, detroit.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
We would look At stafford. Differently stafford was better.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Than Aaron rodgers in high, school in, college and he's
better now by a long. Shot and he was better
in the first three or four years in THE nfl Than.
Rogers But aaron had that ten eleven year run In
Green bay because he had a really good. Organization and
it's going to be fascinating to see what If Matt
stafford wins this Year's Super, bowl and right NOW i
think that the best team or second best team in the,
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league like what. Happens Bill belichick was on a recent
podcast talking about This Matt.
Speaker 10 (18:25):
STAFFORD i don't want to put him in a class With,
tom BUT i mean it's reminiscent Of, brady where it
just keeps getting better and better and. BETTER i remember
when we practiced against him and played him several years.
Ago gotten, smarter he understands, more he knows how to use,
weapons maybe just a split second. Quicker he's a little
harder at a fool and something you might have got
him with a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Ago you're not going to get him with.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Now what's really cruel about quarterback is by the time
you master, it you're usually like thirty, three thirty four thirty.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Five that's When brady started.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Saying things to Like Jay, glazer Like i've seen everything you.
Can't brady talked about A Super bowl Against Patrick, Mahomes he's,
LIKE i knew what The chiefs defense was going to
do better than The chiefs defense knew what they were
going to. Do and so But brady had a great.
Advantage he had the best offensive line coach probably, Ever Dante.
Scarnekia So brady just didn't get hit for most of his.
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Career So brady at forty four had a thirty four
year old. Body that's not the case With, stafford who
got THE u know what beat out of him for
twelve years In. Detroit so he's thirty seven and he
looks thirty seven with a really bad. Back But i've
asked the question before if he wins A Super bowl this,
YEAR i, mean he's already all time completions eighth, yards, ninth, passing, touchdowns,
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ninth game winning, drives fifth and. Wins he's moving up.
Fast so there's just not many quarterbacks in the history
of the league that have Two Super bowls and AN.
Mvp It's, Mahomes, Brady Manning, Lway Montana.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Bradshaw And Bart.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Starr so there's only one quarterback in this league that
can go from really really great to.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Historic this is.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
It quarterbacks with Two Super bowl wins and AN mvp
at least.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
One it's all the.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Legends, Mahomes, peyton Tom, Elway, Montana, Bradshaw Bart, Starr stafford.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Can get into that.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Group and so his last five, games sixteen, touchdowns no.
Picks he is just on an absolute heater the. Question
and he's done. This what's amazing is no training. Camp
he learned on the fly With Devonte. Adams so what's really?
Impressive you, know an undrafted left tackle learned on the
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fly With Davonte, adams did not participate to any extent
in preseason and proving once again What sean McVeagh has
felt is the exhibition season is a lot of.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Nonsense it doesn't really. Matter but.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
You AND i jmc you've actually been on this. Forever
where you land in THE nfl is about seventy five
percent of your success as a. QUARTERBACK i mean a
great example Is Caleb williams with that outfit last.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Year everybody bailed on.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Him this, year The bears lead THE nfl in big,
plays so the gap in. Coaching obviously mcveigh's better than
Anybody detroit, Had but here here Was Max crosby The
raiders recently talking About stafford as a POTENTIAL mvp for.
Speaker 11 (21:27):
Some, reason just because their team wasn't the, Best, like
he didn't get that love until he went to The,
rams and now people are, like.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
See i'm, like, bro he's.
Speaker 11 (21:36):
Been doing that for ten. Years In, detroit it would
be dope to See stafford ON mvp because people were, like,
well is he in A hall Of. Famer i'm, like
he's been top five for fifteen. YEARS i don't give
up what anyone. Says can we have this conversation, NOW
i don't give what anyone. Says oh that that's absolutely.
TRUE i mean think about.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
This think how much trust That sean McVeigh had to
have to not only trade away A Super bowl quarterback,
golf but be willing to pay For stafford and golf.
Simultaneously So sean McVay knows more football than you or.
Me sean McVay is, like, Yeah i'm gonna move off, golf,
who by the, way has been a top twelve quarterback
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for most of his. Career So i'll move off. Him
i'll take an Old stafford that's never won a playoff,
game And i'll pay for.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Both that is.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Having there are certain people in baseball's like this a
lot where you go ask baseball players who's really, good
who's a bit of a, fraud and they'll be, like, oh,
no this guy's actually. Great everybody understands. It you go
ask pro football players About Matt, stafford they're all Like Matt.
Trosby they're, like, bro that guy's been a top five
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quarterback for fifteen. Years he just got Crappy. Detroit so
it's it's and the great thing about him he is
a film room. Junkie his wife makes more news than he.
Does he's never in the. News he's kind of a regular.
Guy you, know you'll see him golfing occasionally in town
at one of the country.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Clubs but he really is low, key very.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Chill but he's the only quarterback in the league that
can can join a very go from great to.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Historic this.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Year, YEAH i, MEAN i would say he's certainly in
THE mvp. Discussion. Now Getting Devonte adams clearly, Helps, oh no,
question a major. UPGRADE i, mean They Cooper cup was
like one of their core. Guys he was beloved. Out
they moved off in pretty. Easily, yeah what has he
done In? Seattle Colin like next to? Nothing and they, Upgrade,
well he's there four now In. Seattle, Yeah, yeah they
had young.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Receivers schnyder, said we'll bring an old veteran possession guy.
In But i'll say If cooper cups are, four that's
not a bad.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Receiving mcvay's done a great job With sneed and, company
just constantly retooling the.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Team all, Right Greg, cosell it is A thursday at
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Tonight who do you like? Tonight J matt loaded up.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Fun Bo nicks and The.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Broncos he's just been waiting for them to screw up
over under On Gino smith's getting benched.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Tonight would you give it two?
Speaker 8 (24:19):
Quarters because O'Connell was pre back practicing with the, team
and you.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Know he can't.
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Move he's a pocket. Quarterback if he plays take Denver.
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and five against the, spread one in four straight, up
the lights get right And Gino smith shrinks?
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Smith you Know brady didn't Want. Donald there were reports
That brady didn't Want Sam darnold in s In.
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there's this general consensus that The colts and The cowboys
they just paid too. Much they gave up too much
to Get Sauce gardner And Quentin. Williams and WHEN i
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See saucegardner And Quentin, WILLIAMS i see excellent players who.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Are in a bad work.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Environment and now these employees are going to go to
very you, know better. SITUATIONS i, mean The colts were
missing a corner there that's going to be a division winning.
Team really talented guy and a bad workplace In New
york to a better workplace In, indianapolis And Quentin williams
from a bad workplace to a place he plays next
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To Kenny. Clark SO i look at, it and that's
the one thing pro athletes and our lives are very.
Similar you can only do so much with a bad.
Boss anybody that's ever had a bad boss or curly has,
one should sympathize with Un williams and Soft. Gardner nothing
works In New. York it's just a bad place to,
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work you. KNOW i was looking this. Morning Quinn williams
six and a half years with The. Jets he got
drafted by ONE, gm he got paid by, another and
he got traded by.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Another is that the most ridiculous thing you've ever?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Heard, well The jets got a bunch of draft. Picks
so what that's like giving your loser brother money he
doesn't have any financial. ABILITY i, mean, seriously giving The
jets draft picks is giving somebody with no financial literacy
a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Money so what they don't.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Know what to do with?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
IT i, mean we all got that person in the
family that you know you don't want to be executor
of the.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Will. Right they're, fun they're party. Time you know their Name's.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Doug you know they're always got the funny sweater On.
Christmas you don't want to give him any. Money you
don't want to lend them any. Cash SO i don't
care about draft. Picks who's The jets, coach THE gm the?
Quarterback who? Knows Here's Quinn. Williams i'm the company Of Dallas.
Speaker 12 (27:08):
COWBOY i can't wait to get to work BECAUSE i
feel like, action, speed louder the, words and this organization
taking a chance on me and training for. Me give,
me give me the honor to come in and help
this team win football games and do the BEST i
can do to to do my.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
JOB i, MEAN i.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Don't mean to sound, harsh but you can give people
with no financial literacy a bunch of money they don't
know what.
Speaker 12 (27:33):
To do with.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
It you can give The jets draft.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
PICKS i was looking at all the teams that have
had multiple first round draft picks the last several. Years
there's a lot Of raiders on that. List there's a
lot Of carolina on that. List Cleveland, jets The rams
have two first round picks next. Year my guess is
they know what they're. Doing they'll move. Down you know
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they'll end up getting a third and a fifth along
with a two.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Ones you know it sounds, harsh but it's the.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Truth Greg cosel forty six YEARS Nfl films is JOINING Us.
Live so you, know it's interesting if you look At
patrick mahomes, career his kryptonite when they really really look,
bad it's not that the running game's not. Available he's
won Super bowls with below, average suboptimal receiving. Corps Travis
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kelsey's had bad, Games he's still. Won he won Super
bowls with mediocre. Defenses when he's getting hit and does
not trust his, protection that offense does not look the.
Same so was this just about scheme By buffalo's defense
or was It bosa and? Personnel why did they get
To mahomes for three and a half.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
HOURS i think it's a, Combination, colin because What sean McDermott.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Did and just SO i say right up, Front i'm
not a blueprint.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
GUY i don't Think mahomes has had obviously great success
in this league and he's a great. Players not as if,
oh just do what The bills did and everybody's going
to Stop Patrick. Mahomes but in this particular, game what
The bills did was they ran a lot of what
we call hybrid, coverages where there were his own parts of,
it there were man parts of, it and all you're
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trying to do is you're trying to slow down the
processing For Patrick, mahomes and that's when the pressure becomes a.
Factor and he did not really get out of the
pocket very. Much they did a good job of maintaining,
him keeping him in the. Pocket so in this given,
GAME i thought it was very schematic in what they
did on the back end with their hybrid, looks and
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therefore he couldn't really get a sense of. Rhythm and
he's not purely a rhythm player except when he's throwing
the ball. Short so it just slowed everything down for.
Him and then he took way too many. HITS i
mean there was one in particular on the. SIDELINE i
don't Think i've ever seen him hit like.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That, yeah you, Know Josh allen came into this league
with so much horsepower and now he's become so incredibly.
Efficient and we always sort of baked it In greg
that if you have a big, arm if you're big,
band if You're Cam, newton we don't need you to
Be Kirk.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Cousins you go do your.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Magic we'll we'll give you a little on the efficiency.
Scale yet With ALAN i get. Both he can give
me a twenty two for twenty five AND i get the.
Horsepower why has he become so?
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Efficient, Well i'm sure a lot of it has to
do with him in the. Offseason we, Know i'm sure
you Know Jordan. Palmer he's worked with him for, years
AND i think that he's what what they call a rotational.
Thrower so when you're a rotational, THROWER i think you
have to really work on that as opposed to being
a linear thrower where.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Everything is lined up exactly.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Straight when you're, rotational you can throw the ball from different,
angles different, ways AND i think you have to really
become good at. That so NOW i think they also,
understood and this is WHERE i Think Joe brady did
a very good job when he became the. Coordinator IS
i think schematically they've tried to rein him into a
certain degree to allow wow him to play with a
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much more defined sense of timing and rhythm rather than just,
hey you know you hear so many people say things
about certain quarterbacks, well let this guy be this.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Guy Let josh Be.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Josh that's all well and, good but at some point
you've got to play the game with. Instructure and you
can argue that The bills, offensively and they do score
a lot of.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Points colin that.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
Offensively they're one of the most structured teams in THE,
nfl with the combination of their run game and their
pass game and their past.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Game at.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
Times actually SOMETIMES i feel like there could be more to.
It but if you're going to score thirty points a,
GAME i guess that's a tough argument to.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Make So Green bay is the youngest team in the.
League seattle's Offense seattle's. Second So darnald when he Leaves,
minnesota there were a lot of people that, Thought, okay
it's gonna come. Down he's not going to look like. That,
well right, now analytics tells you he's as good as
any quarterback in the. League are you surprised that how
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successful he's been In? Seattle he didn't even know IF
jsn was a number one, Receiver, like are you surprised
by what you're?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Seeing?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Oh yes and.
Speaker 9 (32:06):
No by the, WAY jsn eighty percent of his routes
this year of his snaps have been as an outside.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Receiver and if you, recall a lot of people.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
Said when they Signed Cooper, cup what are they doing
they have two slot. Receivers, well they obviously KNEW jsn
could line up, outside which he's, done AS i, said
on eighty percent of his.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Snaps But i'm not surprised With donald for this.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
Reason he's really, gifted as you, know you Know donald,
well but he's a certain kind of. Player you, know
he's not necessarily a sit back in the, pocket.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Read, it scan, it see it.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
All so What Clint, kubiak And Clint kubiak is the
one who wanted. Him he sort of comes a bit
from that That Shanahan kubiak tree of play, action play
action boot define the reds in the, throws push it
down the, field off the run action, looks and that's
Where donald is really really. Good and he does throw
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the ball very well on the. Run so it's a
class that's the case of matching what a quarterback does really,
well because he does have some things he doesn't do,
well of matching what he does really well with the,
scheme and you see how. Successful there's a perfect example
on that Play action boot work. Perfectly that got the
long touchdown To Cody.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
White by the, Way Rashid sahed is a. Burner oh
how does that? HAPPEN i mean that feels like to
me that plays Into. Darnald what do you project?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
There, yes, well first of, all there's very few.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
Guys in the league column that have WHAT i call terrifying,
speed and he's one of. Them and now they're a
team that plays a lot with two tight ends twelve
personnel as we call, it two tight. Ends so what
happens a lot when you play that way is you
get a defense that sees the, formation the, personnel the,
formations and they think.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Run so they play a lot with a single high.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
Safety so now you're going to get an opportunity to
really work the intermediate and vertical route, concepts off shot,
plays off run, action and you have to account For
shaheed and.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Now on the other side you're going to HAVE.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Jsn this is a real that trade to, me maybe
it was overlooked by some people Because shaheed's not a
star in the way we think of, stars but that
may have been one of the most impactful trades that
were made On.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Tuesday So jj McCarthy and we see.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
This we saw it With caleb early in the, year
very good on, script and then the last three quarters
not good at. ALL i, said WHEN i watch him
play With, MINNESOTA i see a lot Of MICHIGAN jj McCarthy.
MICHIGAN i love the, Coach, HARBALL i love some of the,
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Weapons Justin jefferson Or Colston, lovelin AND i love the.
Defense AND i thought the defense Against detroit was. Sensational
and he makes about one to two big throws a.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
GAME jj.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
McCarthy, OVERALL i don't see him somebody caring a. Franchise
but you know, AGAIN i Liked michigan's supporting. CAST i
Liked kevin, O'Connell Justin, Jefferson Jordan, addison the left, Tackle Brian.
Flores what did the films say ON jj.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
McCarthy, yeah McCarthy to me has something that in some
ways it reminds me Of Alex smith and What i'm
about to, say and this concerns.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Me as he, develops he's what we call.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
Colin i'm going to give you a little tutorial here
on quarterback. Mechanics he's what we call a locked front leg.
Thrower so when he steps in he locks his front.
Leg so what happens when you lock your front. Leg
it's like running into a. Wall you can't really transfer your,
weight you don't get any core talk. Torque so if
you watch him, throw you'll notice that it looks like
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he's working hard to throw the. Ball, NOW i don't
think his, arm just as an arm is, bad but
it limits your ability to drive the football because you
can't really bring your core into your. Throw and there's
been quarterbacks throughout the years That Alex, smith AS i,
said is a great.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Example and based.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
On what you, said you might think he's very much
Liking Alex smith and the way he's gonna have to.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Play and by the, Way.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Alex smith on teams he was on won a lot
of football, games so you can. Win BUT i think
it'll be interesting to see how his career.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Progresses but you're.
Speaker 9 (36:18):
Right and by the, Way Brian flores did an unbelievable
job in that game against The. Lions and you know
what stood out watching that, tape the pressure in THE a.
Gap and you know why the pressure in THE a
gap was so important because you know what that. Did
it Made Jamiir gibbs have to stay in to pass
protect and that may not seem like a big deal
when you're watching the, game but therefore he's not getting
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out in space and killing them as a. RECEIVER i
don't know how many TIMES i didn't count. IT i
don't know how many Times Jamier gibbs had a pass
protect because of a gap. Pressure it had to be
definitely more than ten and that really handicapped The lions pass.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Game SO i just went on a rant about The.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Jets and when a workplace environment's, lousy and then you
go to a good work, environment the same employee can
be a different. Employee Sauce gardner With Robert salah was
excellent in the last couple of.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Years he's. Bad, well he.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Didn't get he didn't lose, length, speed he didn't lose,
intelligence he didn't lose any of those. Qualities it's just
a bad work. Environment Sauce. Gardener The Colts Chris balder
told me years ago we're. Texting he, said there's a
cornerback shortage in the. League he, goes everybody can find
a third or a fourth grade. Receiver nobody can find
a second good. Corner it's. Harder they're not out. There
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SO i like to move by The. Colts what do
you make of?
Speaker 9 (37:39):
It, yeah and that's WHY i think it's hard to
look at What gardner's done the last few year and
a half because there are not many guys at six,
three two hundred and ten pounds that move like he.
Does you, know there's not a ton of those. Guys so,
again we're.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Not In New. York you, know we don't know the.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
Environment but obviously it has to wear on you after
a certain amount a certain amount of. Time but you,
know he'll obviously step right in and start and. PLAY
i guess they play overseas this. Weekend but the culture
a team that plays a lot of different coverage, schemes
so it's not as if foundationally they do one. Thing
AND i think he's got the ability to pretty much
play any coverage scheme that you want him to. Play
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they actually have a very good, Defense. COLIN i, mean
everybody's been talking for the most part About Daniel jones
And taylor and the, offense and deservedly. So and by the,
WAY i didn't Think Daniel jones was as bad as
maybe a lot of people fought this past, Week but
just talking about their, defense they've got a lot of
good players at all three levels of their. Defense this
is this is going to be a really interesting team to.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
WATCH i want to talk IF, i IF i, could
About dak And arizona On monday. Night Forget. Arizona Jacoby
brissett's a. Pro he you, know The dallas defense isn't.
Good When dak struggles like, That is it? Pressure is it?
COACHING i didn't think it was a good night For
dallas's coaching. Staff and by the, way great coaches have bad.
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Nights what did you make Of dallas's? Offense, YEAH i
thought it. Was it was a tough watch watching their.
Offense and you, Know, Dak we've talked about this over the.
Years you, Know dak is a good, player no, question
but at this point in his, career he doesn't have
the same movement that he once. Had he's essentially at
his corn now a pocket, player.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
So he's a ball. Distributor he's an executor of an.
Offense it needs to be in, rhythm it needs to
be in. Timing if it's not clear to, him for whatever,
reason the defense takes it, away he feels a little,
pressure then he's not going to play quite as. Well
it's just the way it. Is but there are some
games where he's really, very very. Good he certainly is
a veteran who sees. Things but every once in a,
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while you, KNOW i remember years Ago Ron jaworski telling
me that there's two games a year.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Where you just don't see it the right.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Way AND i got that impression watching the tape of
him on the other. Night it just it just didn't seem.
Comfortable he didn't seem like a comfortable, player and that can.
Happen and by the, Way arizona does have a defense that.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
As a lot of things that can make it difficult for.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Quarterbacks, yeah all, right there's two games this weekend getting
a lot of. Attention one of Them philadelphia At Green. Bay,
yes so you gotta be. Careful Green bay has lost
To Cleveland, carolina but they can play with the best
teams in the. League Does Green bay match up With phillies?
Personnel you mean overall like the? RUNS i, mean when
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you look at what you've seen on film From Green.
Bay here's What i've said about Green, Bay. Greg they're
a team with, talent BUT i don't know what they.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Are what is your?
Speaker 4 (40:36):
IDENTITY i think they want to run and they're not
terribly effective at.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
It they haven't been this.
Speaker 9 (40:41):
Year And Matt lafleur always wants to run because he
comes from The Shanahan, school so he definitely wants the
run game to be a strong. Foundation last week was
an odd game for, Them. Colin they had eight, possessions
they never, punted and they scored thirteen. Points that's a
very odd. Game now they had a fumble in the red.
Zone but the run game this year has not been
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what it's been the last couple of years With, jacobs
and it's hard to know, why but it just hasn't
been the. Same AND i, LOOK i Think love is
a really good. Player he had a really reckless interception last,
week which he doesn't do very, much but it was
a very odd. Game if you look At love's game
on tape and then his, numbers they were. Fine it
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wasn't as if he had a bad. Game that's the
interception that was just reckless and. Undisciplined but you, know
they're starting to lose. Receivers we have always, said, boy
they've got a ton of, receivers but now they're starting
to lose receivers to.
Speaker 5 (41:36):
Injury Tucker craft is out for the.
Speaker 9 (41:38):
Season i'm really anxious to see from year Old nick
of The woods in The Pacific Northwest musgrave because When
musgrave came, out he was hurt his last year At,
oregon but he was considered a really big time. PROSPECT
i did his. Tape he's faster Than, craft you. Know,
Now i'm not saying he's as, good not as. Good
we don't know that because he wasn't used as their
number one tight.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
End he will be. Now but he's got a lot.
Speaker 9 (42:01):
Of juice to, him So i'm very curious to see
how that fits into their.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Offense, also another, game The rams and The. Niners now
The niners are plagued with. Injuries Kind i've always. Been
i'm fascinated when you can go get A puka WHO
i watched At washington AND vyu and then he goes
To veay and from the very first training, Camp stafford
was telling people this, kid This puka kid is. Unbelievable
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he's not the fastest. GUY i do think he's physically.
Strong when you watch This rams, offense how crucial Is
Puka now over In, london he didn't play and they
used four tight ends And Devonte adams now is a
growing relationship With. Stafford stafford had no. Camp how important
Is puka in this offense and why does he succell
to the level he does.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
Well there's a couple of things going on.
Speaker 9 (42:47):
Here first of, all the last two games they've, played
they've played a lot with three tight ends on the,
field which is. Crazy last week they had thirty five
snaps with three tight ends on the. Field BUT i
think McVeigh understands exactly What Puka naku. Is he's not
what we call a true BOUNDARY x where he lines
up as the isolated or single receiver to one side
of the field and you let him just win one on.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
One he's not that.
Speaker 9 (43:10):
Guy in, fact only two of his one hundred and
ninety eight routes this year have been where he's been
an isolated. Receiver that's why they went out and Got
Devonte adams because he is that. Guy that's how they use.
Him but McVeigh understands What nikoo. Is they use him
as a movement. Guy they use him as part of
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two and three route. Combinations they get him off the line.
Cleanly he runs a lot of inbreaking routes and that's
where he's so good because he's so physically, strong and
he's a great player within the context of how he's
used and What sean McVay understands his strengths to. Be
i'm not sure no matter what his numbers, Are colin
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AND i would think you would. Agree i'm not sure
anybody would, say just as a physical talent that.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
You're going to put him in The jefferson Or Jamar chase.
Speaker 9 (44:01):
Category but he's a great player within the context of that.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Offense, yeah fit matters in life and in. Sports let's
let's do Some Caleb. Williams we'll end our segment on
A thursday here in The. Herd first of, all what
did the tape. Say let's just simplify, here what did
the tape say With caleb against The.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
BENGALS i, thought.
Speaker 9 (44:22):
And, again we know The bengals are a bad, defense
but that's not What i'm looking. AT i thought this
was a game maybe the first one this, year OR
i thought the combination of looking at What Ben johnson did,
offensively AND i said to, Myself, oh this is A
Ben johnson. Offense this is what we want to see
From Ben. Johnson this reminded me of The lions, offense
seeing the same, concepts and it was a game WHERE
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i thought That caleb really started to get a feel
for those. Concepts now he's there's still throws where he's
a beat. Late there's still times where there's just a
little too much for neticism in the pocket and he
gets out of there and it just looks. Random that's
what he has to continue to.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
Develop BUT i got it tell, You, colin and you know.
THIS i mean this, kid particularly on the. Move he's
got a power hose net he.
Speaker 9 (45:07):
Throws he throws as pretty a ball as you'll see
in the.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
League but there's still work to. Do but it just.
Started there were some plays in this game.
Speaker 9 (45:16):
WHERE i just felt, like, oh, yeah this is the
Way Ben johnson wants it to.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Look And i'm actually going to show one of. Those
and it's.
Speaker 9 (45:23):
FUNNY i actually watched The lions offense AFTER i Watch
Caleb williams this, week AND i saw the same. Play
so we're going to go to this. Play this was
a thirty nine yarder To, Loveland, okay and this was
in the second, half and this Is Ben. Johnson a
Classic Ben johnson. Play you're going to See williams under center,
here and what they have here is six ozero line
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personnel and this is something that The lions.
Speaker 5 (45:46):
Did it's something That Ben johnson likes to.
Speaker 9 (45:48):
Do and there's a tight end now up, top and
it's closed to the, boundary so it means there's no
one why to the boundary side of the. Field it's
closed to the. Boundary so what you're going to get
Is dunsay In loveland stacked to the wide side of the.
Field so this, personnel this, formation it says to the
defense here it's a run. Look so it's single. High
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so now you're going to see what the route concept.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Is it's. Dagger this is A Ben johnson.
Speaker 9 (46:15):
Special it's an inside vertical by A dunsay and a
dig route By. Loveland so what you end up with
is you're going to get essentially a two on two
kind of matchup because you're going to get the corner
Playing loveland and obviously you've got the safety in the deep. Middle,
now then you run play action under. Center that's something
else that's very representative Of Ben. Johnson so you get
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the play action under, center which they're doing more and
more of, now and that's critical so you get, That
now what happens you get A.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Dunzay he's going to get the safety out of.
Speaker 9 (46:47):
There so now what's going to happen because you only
have the single high safety is the whole middle of
the field becomes open and you Get. Loveland and by the,
Way loveland can beat corners and that's why he's running this.
Route So loveland now works into a void in the
middle of the. Field there's no one. There and look
at this. THROW i, mean this is just one of
those where this is a beautifully thrown ball To. Loveland
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it's thirty one. Yards you see it really well from this.
ANGLE i, mean the ball comes out Of Caleb williams hands.
Beautifully he just needs to be a little more consistently
precise with his ball, location and he just needs to
become a little quicker with how he sees things and
how he delivers the. Football but there's a lot of talent.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
There Greg cosel on A thursday as always great.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Stuff appreciate.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
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This was probably twenty years ago. I was taught I
can do an NBA exec. I was court side of
a game and I got there early. Did you get
there early?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Last name?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Not early enough? All right?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
So you get there really early, an hour and a
half before, and like people come by and he said
something to me, and it's how I want to start
my show stars in the NBA. In basketball, it's not
like baseball. They don't have slumps. They can have a
bad quarter, but guys like Luca are always going to
get theirs, the late Kobe Wilt, Jerry Wett.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It doesn't matter. Stars get theirs.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Great coaching is taking a B minus player and making
him a B plus player, taking a C plus player
and making him a B player. You're not going to
turn Broddy James into Lebron James. You're not going to
jump a grade and a half. But that's what JJ
Reddick did and he's doing this year. Ruey Hachimora is
a good B player. He's playing like an A player.
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He's shooting sixty percent from the field. He's shooting forty
seven percent from three. That's an A player career high
end scoring. Now, it's early in the NBA season where
even the Chicago Bulls are winning right Like, nobody's playing
defense now.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But the two.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Biggest plays in last night's game could have been Ruey
took a big charge, hit a big three. That is
what JJ Reddick is doing. So last night you didn't
have Lebron, you didn't have Austin Reeves. A couple nights ago,
you didn't have Luca, so it's mix and match. But
he's doing a great job, especially on offense, to squeeze
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the juice out of his mid level players, like, for instance,
DeAndre Ayton, who there they got for free. Basically Portland's
pay his salary. DeAndre Ayton's hot and cold. He's played
very well the best he's played. The Lakers lead the
NBA and field goal percentage. They're five to zero in
close games. Yet lucas one of the top two to
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three players in the world and skinny jeans, Luca is unstoppable. Rebounds, assists, points, putbacks,
He's gonna get Kobe always got his. But can you
take those be guys? Go back to Phil Jackson. What
he got out of a Rick Fox or a Derek Fisher.
That's the key to this stuff. What do you get
out of your number four starter? I mean, just last
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week Austin Reeves look like Luca and I think that's
what I watch with JJ Reddick that in basketball, the
top ten global stars are just gonna always get theirs.
Can you squeeze stuff out of the B minus guys?
And this year if you look at the last two seasons,
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because now the culture's been built by JJ Reddick, all
without Lebron James this year six points a game more.
And the new pieces old Marcus Smart, veteran DeAndre Ayton,
the young kid Jake la Ravia. They're all playing the
best they've played right now. They're all playing excellent basketball.
And the Lakers are not a good defensive team. They
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don't have a great defensive rim protector, they're not super
athletic on the wing. But Wemby fouled out last night.
Wemby shoots thirty five percent from the floor. They imposed
their will on Wemby and it was a very impressive effort.
He's not going to have many games as ugly and
inartistic as last night. So what I see right now,
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I see coaching. I see JJ Reddick taking his C
plus and B minus guys and moving them up half
a grade.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That was always always Phil Jackson.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Kobe would have been great, Michael would have been great
with or without Phil Jackson, but it was Phil's ability
to build Steve Kerr into a trustable component alongside Michael
Jordan to get the most out of marginally talented bigs
That's always been Phil Jackson's greatest asset. That's what JJ
Reddick does, and they're doing it without Lebron and it's
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what championship teams do. It's what Dave Roberts did with
Miguel Rojas for the Dodgers. Otani's eventually going to get his. Eventually,
Freddie Freeman's going to get his. Can you take the
be guys and make them b plus guys? And JJ
Reddick talks about the win and his current culture.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Sometimes the things you emphasize and the things that make
that you make a daily priority.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Becomes your team.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
And that doesn't always happen, but that was a priority
for us coming into this season. We're just constantly encouraging
and empowering our guys to get connected. I believe that
if you're connected off the floor, you're connected on the floors.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I got to tell you, the city of Los Angeles
has really good coaches. McVeigh and Harbaugh, JJ Reddick, Dave Roberts.
I mean, it's pretty remarkable. There's some even our college
coaches out here. If you look at the Lakers right now,
and again it's early. Nobody plays defense in October and November,
in the NBA, they really don't. A lot of teams
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are out of their mind shooting really high percentages. But
in a very crowded West, remember long stretches. Lebron hasn't played,
Austen Reeves is out now, Luca's miss games. It's what
he's doing with Aighton, it's what he's doing with Smart,
It's what he's doing with these kind of B minus
C plus Ruie right now is playing the best basketball
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of his career. Ruey's a nice player. He's not this nice,
but give JJ Ruddick a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Of credit for that.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Okay, I was here on Tuesday sick yesterday, and Tuesday
was the trade deadline show. And I'll say this, I've
been very critical of the Dallas Cowboys for a long time,
but I am in total disagreement. I watched a little
of shows yesterday. I'm in total disagreement with virtually every
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other media member on what the Cowboys did with Micah
and these moves to get Quinn Williams. So one of
the things I liked about the Micah move it created
liquidation and flexibility and diversification. They were going to be
too top heavy and Jerry Jones is a deal maker,
and if they signed Luca, between Ceedee, Lamb and Dak,
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they just have no flexibility, no diversification.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
They be top heavy.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So I think one of the things that's being overlooked
that the Cowboys did in this deal to get Quinn Williams.
They retained they kept both number one picks in this
coming draft in April.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
They gave up a first the draft after because this
draft has two things that benefit the Cowboys. Tons of
good edge rushers. Now with Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams
interior linemen that are way above average, one of them's
a star, they'll go get an edge rusher to add
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to that.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
The second thing they have is.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
A quarterback in a quarterback rich draft where eight teams
are desperate for one. So those picks they give up
to the Jets, they can get those back with the
flexibility and diversification of two first round picks and what
you can do with it. And so the draft has
an edge rusher replace Micah and quarterbacks don't need move
down that pick.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So that's what I love.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The second thing is Dallas is saying, and I totally
agree with them, by acquiring Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark.
What they're telling you is they view interior defensive linemen
as more valuable than edge rushers. And I'm here to
tell you I totally agree. The New England Patriots this
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year spent money on interior defensive line, number one rush
defense in the NFL. You know who else has a
really good interior defensive line spends money on it? The
Colts top five run defense. Here are the teams that
have excellent interior defensive linemen, Tampa, Seattle, Denver, Colts, Patriots, Rams, Eagles.
That's a different body type. Edge rushers are like wide receivers.
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You can find tall guys, great athletes six four and
a half, six five and a half that can catch
the football or Russia passer. It is incredibly rare to
find somebody who's six' two three point twenty with good.
Feet that's What Quinn williams. Has, Okay So Kenny clark
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And Quinn williams give YOU i, mean what's the strength
Of philadelphia this? Year why can't The rams Beat? Philadelphia
because they can't Block davis and The kid out Of.
Georgia they can't block those two Interior. Carter they can't block.
Them that's why they lost this year Against, philliots why
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they lost in the playoffs last. Year they're struggling to
block those. Guys So dallas has, said we Love, micah
but will take flexibility and INTERIOR d line over an
expensive edge. Rusher Julian edelman was On my show On
tuesday and he talked about this during The Patriot it's.
Dynasty brady gets credit And grong gets, Credit belichick gets.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Credit he, said it's the INTERIOR d.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Line we wouldn't have been The New England patriots if
it wasn't For seymour Or Will fork like we had
there and there's a bunch of other Guys branch and
and there's a bunch of. Guys but the interior, part
if you got a guy that can take away two,
gaps that's tough on the run. Game and once you
start to make a team one dimensional and they can't
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run the, football then you can dial up better you,
know coverage for your secondary and you can get more.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Creative, yeah and everybody's, like, Oh dallas is making bad.
Moves what they did is they, said we don't want
to be top heavy with.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Salaries we want more.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Flexibility go ask any great business person what they. Want
it's not just, assets it's the ability to acquire them
or move off.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Them they want.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Flexibility dallas couldn't afford a running Back Derrick henry for
eight million dollars two years. Ago jerry's an, Entrepreneur jerry's a.
Businessman his hands were. Tied he Didn't he wanted, flexibility
the ability to. Diversify and then they move their importance
on defense from the. Edge inside every EXECUTIVE i talk,
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to they always talk about rare, skills rare body. Type,
seattle THE Gm John snyder just went and got a
deep threat receiver For Sam darnold's. Why how many people
on the planet run a four to two eight FORTY
a four three two? Forty not? Many So Quinn williams
is a unique body. Type Chris. Jones i'm not Saying
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Miles garrett isn't a great edge, rusher but you can
Move Chris jones all over the defensive. Line And i'm
not Saying Max crosby's not. Amazing but when you can
get that great left, tackle that receiver that runs a
four to two, nine that interior defensive lineman with good, feet.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It's just more valuable than an edge. Rusher SO i
like What dallas has.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Done Lebron james still not. Playing apparently he's getting closer to,
playing ramping up to five on. Five should be back By.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Thanksgiving it's going to be interesting to see how he Meshes.
Colin The lakers vibes are amazing right. Now everybody Understands
luca is the fulcrum of the. Team yes reeves his
secondary and we all operate around.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Him AND i think the delta Between lebron And luca
will grow like it the last couple of. Years last, year,
overweight still, Healing luca And lebron just dependent on the.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Night some nights it Was, lebron some nights it Was.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Luca this Is luca's team by a significant.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Stretch does it feel like a guy who was the
man in high school goes off to, college a new
guy takes over the high school, team and the guy
comes back from college and is, like, oh things have changed.
Here it feels like everybody's catering To, luca WHICH i
don't have a problem. With it's just how Does lebron
sit in to that? Offense it Could benky or he's
a professional and, says.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
HEY i Got lebron's always been better on ball than
off because he still remains a streaky, shooter and So
luca can do. Both but he is the best on
ball player they. Have SO i Want. LUCA i said
this before in the, OFFSEASON i said the gap Between
lebron And luca is going to be noticeable this. YEAR
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i Think luca has a chance to WIN mvp If wemby.
DOESN'T i Think luca is going to jump over The
SGAs The honises this. Year it's going to be A
Jokic Wemby luca season in THE. NBA i still don't
think they're good enough, defensively and you can't take too
much From NOVEMBER nba.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Basketball nobody's locked in defensively.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
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Yesterday you know they gotta they got a shot at the.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Playoff, well they're gonna Beat northwestern In, iowa but then
they have to go To.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Eugene so good Luck indiana one.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
There why can't you.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
See well in THE, us he's not as good As,
Indiana that's. Why so you see this sometimes we're a
great actor has a. Role you, Know Tom hanks does the,
terminal he makes a bad. Choice you see great. Regress
Marlon brando had. Bombs you see a Zagat Michelin star,
restaurant a chef. Leaves it's, good but it's not. Special
(15:18):
you see great slowly sometimes kind of regress into. Good
you very rarely see hot dog on a stick becomes zagget.
Rated you don't see you, know atrocious become. Exceptional like
it just doesn't, happen especially in. Sports So Sam darnold
was so bad In New. YORK i was, LIKE i
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don't know what. HAPPENED i thought he was going to
be sort of a little bit Of Andrew luck his
last two. Years he is now with all, analytics the
best quarterback in THE. Nfl, NO i, mean and they
just Added Rashid, shaheed a deep. Threat so now he's
got a deep THREAT js and that rookie From Colorado
state the old lines. Better he's literally gone from unplayable
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to best guy in the. League AND i was, saying
if you just count quarterbacks that have, played you, know
every game this, year you can't Count Lamar jackson in
This what is the quarterback pyramid based just on this
year alone for quarterback? Play what does it look? Like
and this is what it looks. Like sorry for the radio.
(16:26):
Audience we have a Little collins quarterback performance. Period donald's number,
One alan And stafford right below, Him drake May Herbert, Baker, Mayfield, Mahomes,
Jones prescott And. Golf now that's not necessarily that far from. Reality,
now if you're talking, Careers mahomes would be at the.
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Top but if you're talking, today this, Second Sam darnold
is the best quarterback in THE. Nfl it is. Unbelievable
you just don't see. That, ever you could, say, well
what About. Baker baker In cleveland won a playoff game
and the year he, did his quarterback rating WAS i
think it was ninety six or ninety. EIGHT i think
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it was ninety. Six sam's passerating In New york was
not even good for a. Backup he had more turnovers than.
Touchdowns like forget the winning wasn't. Productive it was. Awful
and we know now that everybody's awful with The, jets
but what he is doing is incredibly.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Rare So.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Bill belichick was on a podcast yesterday And i've said
this multiple times on the. Show the hottest quarterback in
the league outside Of Sam darnold is Probably Matt. Stafford
And i've said before where you land in THE nfl
matters a. Lot If stafford would have landed In Green
bay And Aaron, rodgers who can be, moody would have
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landed In, detroit.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
We would look At stafford. Differently stafford was better.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Than Aaron rodgers in high, school in, college and he's
better now by a long. Shot and he was better
in the first three or four years in THE nfl Than.
Rogers But aaron had that ten eleven year run In
Green bay because he had a really good. Organization and
it's going to be fascinating to see what If Matt
stafford wins this Year's Super, bowl and right NOW i
think that the best team or second best team in the,
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league like what. Happens Bill belichick was on a recent
podcast talking about This Matt.
Speaker 10 (18:25):
STAFFORD i don't want to put him in a class With,
tom BUT i mean it's reminiscent Of, brady where it
just keeps getting better and better and. BETTER i remember
when we practiced against him and played him several years.
Ago gotten, smarter he understands, more he knows how to use,
weapons maybe just a split second. Quicker he's a little
harder at a fool and something you might have got
him with a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Ago you're not going to get him with.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Now what's really cruel about quarterback is by the time
you master, it you're usually like thirty, three thirty four thirty.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Five that's When brady started.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Saying things to Like Jay, glazer Like i've seen everything you.
Can't brady talked about A Super bowl Against Patrick, Mahomes he's,
LIKE i knew what The chiefs defense was going to
do better than The chiefs defense knew what they were
going to. Do and so But brady had a great.
Advantage he had the best offensive line coach probably, Ever Dante.
Scarnekia So brady just didn't get hit for most of his.
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Career So brady at forty four had a thirty four
year old. Body that's not the case With, stafford who
got THE u know what beat out of him for
twelve years In. Detroit so he's thirty seven and he
looks thirty seven with a really bad. Back But i've
asked the question before if he wins A Super bowl this,
YEAR i, mean he's already all time completions eighth, yards, ninth, passing, touchdowns,
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ninth game winning, drives fifth and. Wins he's moving up.
Fast so there's just not many quarterbacks in the history
of the league that have Two Super bowls and AN.
Mvp It's, Mahomes, Brady Manning, Lway Montana.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Bradshaw And Bart.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Starr so there's only one quarterback in this league that
can go from really really great to.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Historic this is.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
It quarterbacks with Two Super bowl wins and AN mvp
at least.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
One it's all the.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Legends, Mahomes, peyton Tom, Elway, Montana, Bradshaw Bart, Starr stafford.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Can get into that.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Group and so his last five, games sixteen, touchdowns no.
Picks he is just on an absolute heater the. Question
and he's done. This what's amazing is no training. Camp
he learned on the fly With Devonte. Adams so what's really?
Impressive you, know an undrafted left tackle learned on the
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fly With Davonte, adams did not participate to any extent
in preseason and proving once again What sean McVeagh has
felt is the exhibition season is a lot of.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Nonsense it doesn't really. Matter but.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
You AND i jmc you've actually been on this. Forever
where you land in THE nfl is about seventy five
percent of your success as a. QUARTERBACK i mean a
great example Is Caleb williams with that outfit last.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Year everybody bailed on.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Him this, year The bears lead THE nfl in big,
plays so the gap in. Coaching obviously mcveigh's better than
Anybody detroit, Had but here here Was Max crosby The
raiders recently talking About stafford as a POTENTIAL mvp for.
Speaker 11 (21:27):
Some, reason just because their team wasn't the, Best, like
he didn't get that love until he went to The,
rams and now people are, like.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
See i'm, like, bro he's.
Speaker 11 (21:36):
Been doing that for ten. Years In, detroit it would
be dope to See stafford ON mvp because people were, like,
well is he in A hall Of. Famer i'm, like
he's been top five for fifteen. YEARS i don't give
up what anyone. Says can we have this conversation, NOW
i don't give what anyone. Says oh that that's absolutely.
TRUE i mean think about.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
This think how much trust That sean McVeigh had to
have to not only trade away A Super bowl quarterback,
golf but be willing to pay For stafford and golf.
Simultaneously So sean McVay knows more football than you or.
Me sean McVay is, like, Yeah i'm gonna move off, golf,
who by the, way has been a top twelve quarterback
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for most of his. Career So i'll move off. Him
i'll take an Old stafford that's never won a playoff,
game And i'll pay for.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Both that is.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Having there are certain people in baseball's like this a
lot where you go ask baseball players who's really, good
who's a bit of a, fraud and they'll be, like, oh,
no this guy's actually. Great everybody understands. It you go
ask pro football players About Matt, stafford they're all Like Matt.
Trosby they're, like, bro that guy's been a top five
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quarterback for fifteen. Years he just got Crappy. Detroit so
it's it's and the great thing about him he is
a film room. Junkie his wife makes more news than he.
Does he's never in the. News he's kind of a regular.
Guy you, know you'll see him golfing occasionally in town
at one of the country.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Clubs but he really is low, key very.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Chill but he's the only quarterback in the league that
can can join a very go from great to.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Historic this.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Year, YEAH i, MEAN i would say he's certainly in
THE mvp. Discussion. Now Getting Devonte adams clearly, Helps, oh no,
question a major. UPGRADE i, mean They Cooper cup was
like one of their core. Guys he was beloved. Out
they moved off in pretty. Easily, yeah what has he
done In? Seattle Colin like next to? Nothing and they, Upgrade,
well he's there four now In. Seattle, Yeah, yeah they
had young.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Receivers schnyder, said we'll bring an old veteran possession guy.
In But i'll say If cooper cups are, four that's
not a bad.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Receiving mcvay's done a great job With sneed and, company
just constantly retooling the.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Team all, Right Greg, cosell it is A thursday at
my favorite fifteen minutes of the.
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Week one, down here comes hour. Two it Is. Thursday
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Tonight who do you like? Tonight J matt loaded up.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Fun Bo nicks and The.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Broncos he's just been waiting for them to screw up
over under On Gino smith's getting benched.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Tonight would you give it two?
Speaker 8 (24:19):
Quarters because O'Connell was pre back practicing with the, team
and you.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Know he can't.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Move he's a pocket. Quarterback if he plays take Denver.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Gino smith in primetime last year and this, year zero
and five against the, spread one in four straight, up
the lights get right And Gino smith shrinks?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Badly, well what is it With Pete carroll And Gino?
Smith you Know brady didn't Want. Donald there were reports
That brady didn't Want Sam darnold in s In.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Vegas we can.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Ask tom next time he's.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
In it seems to Me sammy's pretty.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Good you.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Know i'll say.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
This the one thing where pro athletes their lives are
like our live is that workplace. Matters and For, sauceguarden
there's this general consensus that The colts and The cowboys
they just paid too. Much they gave up too much
to Get Sauce gardner And Quentin. Williams and WHEN i
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See saucegardner And Quentin, WILLIAMS i see excellent players who.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Are in a bad work.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Environment and now these employees are going to go to
very you, know better. SITUATIONS i, mean The colts were
missing a corner there that's going to be a division winning.
Team really talented guy and a bad workplace In New
york to a better workplace In, indianapolis And Quentin williams
from a bad workplace to a place he plays next
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To Kenny. Clark SO i look at, it and that's
the one thing pro athletes and our lives are very.
Similar you can only do so much with a bad.
Boss anybody that's ever had a bad boss or curly has,
one should sympathize with Un williams and Soft. Gardner nothing
works In New. York it's just a bad place to,
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work you. KNOW i was looking this. Morning Quinn williams
six and a half years with The. Jets he got
drafted by ONE, gm he got paid by, another and
he got traded by.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Another is that the most ridiculous thing you've ever?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Heard, well The jets got a bunch of draft. Picks
so what that's like giving your loser brother money he
doesn't have any financial. ABILITY i, mean, seriously giving The
jets draft picks is giving somebody with no financial literacy
a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Money so what they don't.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Know what to do with?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
IT i, mean we all got that person in the
family that you know you don't want to be executor
of the.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Will. Right they're, fun they're party. Time you know their Name's.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Doug you know they're always got the funny sweater On.
Christmas you don't want to give him any. Money you
don't want to lend them any. Cash SO i don't
care about draft. Picks who's The jets, coach THE gm the?
Quarterback who? Knows Here's Quinn. Williams i'm the company Of Dallas.
Speaker 12 (27:08):
COWBOY i can't wait to get to work BECAUSE i
feel like, action, speed louder the, words and this organization
taking a chance on me and training for. Me give,
me give me the honor to come in and help
this team win football games and do the BEST i
can do to to do my.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
JOB i, MEAN i.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Don't mean to sound, harsh but you can give people
with no financial literacy a bunch of money they don't
know what.
Speaker 12 (27:33):
To do with.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
It you can give The jets draft.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
PICKS i was looking at all the teams that have
had multiple first round draft picks the last several. Years
there's a lot Of raiders on that. List there's a
lot Of carolina on that. List Cleveland, jets The rams
have two first round picks next. Year my guess is
they know what they're. Doing they'll move. Down you know
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they'll end up getting a third and a fifth along
with a two.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Ones you know it sounds, harsh but it's the.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Truth Greg cosel forty six YEARS Nfl films is JOINING Us.
Live so you, know it's interesting if you look At
patrick mahomes, career his kryptonite when they really really look,
bad it's not that the running game's not. Available he's
won Super bowls with below, average suboptimal receiving. Corps Travis
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kelsey's had bad, Games he's still. Won he won Super
bowls with mediocre. Defenses when he's getting hit and does
not trust his, protection that offense does not look the.
Same so was this just about scheme By buffalo's defense
or was It bosa and? Personnel why did they get
To mahomes for three and a half.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
HOURS i think it's a, Combination, colin because What sean McDermott.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Did and just SO i say right up, Front i'm
not a blueprint.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
GUY i don't Think mahomes has had obviously great success
in this league and he's a great. Players not as if,
oh just do what The bills did and everybody's going
to Stop Patrick. Mahomes but in this particular, game what
The bills did was they ran a lot of what
we call hybrid, coverages where there were his own parts of,
it there were man parts of, it and all you're
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trying to do is you're trying to slow down the
processing For Patrick, mahomes and that's when the pressure becomes a.
Factor and he did not really get out of the
pocket very. Much they did a good job of maintaining,
him keeping him in the. Pocket so in this given,
GAME i thought it was very schematic in what they
did on the back end with their hybrid, looks and
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therefore he couldn't really get a sense of. Rhythm and
he's not purely a rhythm player except when he's throwing
the ball. Short so it just slowed everything down for.
Him and then he took way too many. HITS i
mean there was one in particular on the. SIDELINE i
don't Think i've ever seen him hit like.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That, yeah you, Know Josh allen came into this league
with so much horsepower and now he's become so incredibly.
Efficient and we always sort of baked it In greg
that if you have a big, arm if you're big,
band if You're Cam, newton we don't need you to
Be Kirk.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Cousins you go do your.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Magic we'll we'll give you a little on the efficiency.
Scale yet With ALAN i get. Both he can give
me a twenty two for twenty five AND i get the.
Horsepower why has he become so?
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Efficient, Well i'm sure a lot of it has to
do with him in the. Offseason we, Know i'm sure
you Know Jordan. Palmer he's worked with him for, years
AND i think that he's what what they call a rotational.
Thrower so when you're a rotational, THROWER i think you
have to really work on that as opposed to being
a linear thrower where.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Everything is lined up exactly.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Straight when you're, rotational you can throw the ball from different,
angles different, ways AND i think you have to really
become good at. That so NOW i think they also,
understood and this is WHERE i Think Joe brady did
a very good job when he became the. Coordinator IS
i think schematically they've tried to rein him into a
certain degree to allow wow him to play with a
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much more defined sense of timing and rhythm rather than just,
hey you know you hear so many people say things
about certain quarterbacks, well let this guy be this.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Guy Let josh Be.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Josh that's all well and, good but at some point
you've got to play the game with. Instructure and you
can argue that The bills, offensively and they do score
a lot of.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Points colin that.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
Offensively they're one of the most structured teams in THE,
nfl with the combination of their run game and their
pass game and their past.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Game at.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
Times actually SOMETIMES i feel like there could be more to.
It but if you're going to score thirty points a,
GAME i guess that's a tough argument to.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Make So Green bay is the youngest team in the.
League seattle's Offense seattle's. Second So darnald when he Leaves,
minnesota there were a lot of people that, Thought, okay
it's gonna come. Down he's not going to look like. That,
well right, now analytics tells you he's as good as
any quarterback in the. League are you surprised that how
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successful he's been In? Seattle he didn't even know IF
jsn was a number one, Receiver, like are you surprised
by what you're?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Seeing?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Oh yes and.
Speaker 9 (32:06):
No by the, WAY jsn eighty percent of his routes
this year of his snaps have been as an outside.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Receiver and if you, recall a lot of people.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
Said when they Signed Cooper, cup what are they doing
they have two slot. Receivers, well they obviously KNEW jsn
could line up, outside which he's, done AS i, said
on eighty percent of his.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Snaps But i'm not surprised With donald for this.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
Reason he's really, gifted as you, know you Know donald,
well but he's a certain kind of. Player you, know
he's not necessarily a sit back in the, pocket.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Read, it scan, it see it.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
All so What Clint, kubiak And Clint kubiak is the
one who wanted. Him he sort of comes a bit
from that That Shanahan kubiak tree of play, action play
action boot define the reds in the, throws push it
down the, field off the run action, looks and that's
Where donald is really really. Good and he does throw
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the ball very well on the. Run so it's a
class that's the case of matching what a quarterback does really,
well because he does have some things he doesn't do,
well of matching what he does really well with the,
scheme and you see how. Successful there's a perfect example
on that Play action boot work. Perfectly that got the
long touchdown To Cody.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
White by the, Way Rashid sahed is a. Burner oh
how does that? HAPPEN i mean that feels like to
me that plays Into. Darnald what do you project?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
There, yes, well first of, all there's very few.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
Guys in the league column that have WHAT i call terrifying,
speed and he's one of. Them and now they're a
team that plays a lot with two tight ends twelve
personnel as we call, it two tight. Ends so what
happens a lot when you play that way is you
get a defense that sees the, formation the, personnel the,
formations and they think.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Run so they play a lot with a single high.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
Safety so now you're going to get an opportunity to
really work the intermediate and vertical route, concepts off shot,
plays off run, action and you have to account For
shaheed and.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Now on the other side you're going to HAVE.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Jsn this is a real that trade to, me maybe
it was overlooked by some people Because shaheed's not a
star in the way we think of, stars but that
may have been one of the most impactful trades that
were made On.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Tuesday So jj McCarthy and we see.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
This we saw it With caleb early in the, year
very good on, script and then the last three quarters
not good at. ALL i, said WHEN i watch him
play With, MINNESOTA i see a lot Of MICHIGAN jj McCarthy.
MICHIGAN i love the, Coach, HARBALL i love some of the,
(34:41):
Weapons Justin jefferson Or Colston, lovelin AND i love the.
Defense AND i thought the defense Against detroit was. Sensational
and he makes about one to two big throws a.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
GAME jj.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
McCarthy, OVERALL i don't see him somebody caring a. Franchise
but you know, AGAIN i Liked michigan's supporting. CAST i
Liked kevin, O'Connell Justin, Jefferson Jordan, addison the left, Tackle Brian.
Flores what did the films say ON jj.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
McCarthy, yeah McCarthy to me has something that in some
ways it reminds me Of Alex smith and What i'm
about to, say and this concerns.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Me as he, develops he's what we call.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
Colin i'm going to give you a little tutorial here
on quarterback. Mechanics he's what we call a locked front leg.
Thrower so when he steps in he locks his front.
Leg so what happens when you lock your front. Leg
it's like running into a. Wall you can't really transfer your,
weight you don't get any core talk. Torque so if
you watch him, throw you'll notice that it looks like
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he's working hard to throw the. Ball, NOW i don't
think his, arm just as an arm is, bad but
it limits your ability to drive the football because you
can't really bring your core into your. Throw and there's
been quarterbacks throughout the years That Alex, smith AS i,
said is a great.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Example and based.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
On what you, said you might think he's very much
Liking Alex smith and the way he's gonna have to.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Play and by the, Way.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Alex smith on teams he was on won a lot
of football, games so you can. Win BUT i think
it'll be interesting to see how his career.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Progresses but you're.
Speaker 9 (36:18):
Right and by the, Way Brian flores did an unbelievable
job in that game against The. Lions and you know
what stood out watching that, tape the pressure in THE a.
Gap and you know why the pressure in THE a
gap was so important because you know what that. Did
it Made Jamiir gibbs have to stay in to pass
protect and that may not seem like a big deal
when you're watching the, game but therefore he's not getting
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out in space and killing them as a. RECEIVER i
don't know how many TIMES i didn't count. IT i
don't know how many Times Jamier gibbs had a pass
protect because of a gap. Pressure it had to be
definitely more than ten and that really handicapped The lions pass.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Game SO i just went on a rant about The.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Jets and when a workplace environment's, lousy and then you
go to a good work, environment the same employee can
be a different. Employee Sauce gardner With Robert salah was
excellent in the last couple of.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Years he's. Bad, well he.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Didn't get he didn't lose, length, speed he didn't lose,
intelligence he didn't lose any of those. Qualities it's just
a bad work. Environment Sauce. Gardener The Colts Chris balder
told me years ago we're. Texting he, said there's a
cornerback shortage in the. League he, goes everybody can find
a third or a fourth grade. Receiver nobody can find
a second good. Corner it's. Harder they're not out. There
(37:36):
SO i like to move by The. Colts what do
you make of?
Speaker 9 (37:39):
It, yeah and that's WHY i think it's hard to
look at What gardner's done the last few year and
a half because there are not many guys at six,
three two hundred and ten pounds that move like he.
Does you, know there's not a ton of those. Guys so,
again we're.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Not In New. York you, know we don't know the.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
Environment but obviously it has to wear on you after
a certain amount a certain amount of. Time but you,
know he'll obviously step right in and start and. PLAY
i guess they play overseas this. Weekend but the culture
a team that plays a lot of different coverage, schemes
so it's not as if foundationally they do one. Thing
AND i think he's got the ability to pretty much
play any coverage scheme that you want him to. Play
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they actually have a very good, Defense. COLIN i, mean
everybody's been talking for the most part About Daniel jones
And taylor and the, offense and deservedly. So and by the,
WAY i didn't Think Daniel jones was as bad as
maybe a lot of people fought this past, Week but
just talking about their, defense they've got a lot of
good players at all three levels of their. Defense this
is this is going to be a really interesting team to.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
WATCH i want to talk IF, i IF i, could
About dak And arizona On monday. Night Forget. Arizona Jacoby
brissett's a. Pro he you, know The dallas defense isn't.
Good When dak struggles like, That is it? Pressure is it?
COACHING i didn't think it was a good night For
dallas's coaching. Staff and by the, way great coaches have bad.
(39:02):
Nights what did you make Of dallas's? Offense, YEAH i
thought it. Was it was a tough watch watching their.
Offense and you, Know, Dak we've talked about this over the.
Years you, Know dak is a good, player no, question
but at this point in his, career he doesn't have
the same movement that he once. Had he's essentially at
his corn now a pocket, player.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
So he's a ball. Distributor he's an executor of an.
Offense it needs to be in, rhythm it needs to
be in. Timing if it's not clear to, him for whatever,
reason the defense takes it, away he feels a little,
pressure then he's not going to play quite as. Well
it's just the way it. Is but there are some
games where he's really, very very. Good he certainly is
a veteran who sees. Things but every once in a,
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while you, KNOW i remember years Ago Ron jaworski telling
me that there's two games a year.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Where you just don't see it the right.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Way AND i got that impression watching the tape of
him on the other. Night it just it just didn't seem.
Comfortable he didn't seem like a comfortable, player and that can.
Happen and by the, Way arizona does have a defense that.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
As a lot of things that can make it difficult for.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Quarterbacks, yeah all, right there's two games this weekend getting
a lot of. Attention one of Them philadelphia At Green. Bay,
yes so you gotta be. Careful Green bay has lost
To Cleveland, carolina but they can play with the best
teams in the. League Does Green bay match up With phillies?
Personnel you mean overall like the? RUNS i, mean when
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you look at what you've seen on film From Green.
Bay here's What i've said about Green, Bay. Greg they're
a team with, talent BUT i don't know what they.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Are what is your?
Speaker 4 (40:36):
IDENTITY i think they want to run and they're not
terribly effective at.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
It they haven't been this.
Speaker 9 (40:41):
Year And Matt lafleur always wants to run because he
comes from The Shanahan, school so he definitely wants the
run game to be a strong. Foundation last week was
an odd game for, Them. Colin they had eight, possessions
they never, punted and they scored thirteen. Points that's a
very odd. Game now they had a fumble in the red.
Zone but the run game this year has not been
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what it's been the last couple of years With, jacobs
and it's hard to know, why but it just hasn't
been the. Same AND i, LOOK i Think love is
a really good. Player he had a really reckless interception last,
week which he doesn't do very, much but it was
a very odd. Game if you look At love's game
on tape and then his, numbers they were. Fine it
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wasn't as if he had a bad. Game that's the
interception that was just reckless and. Undisciplined but you, know
they're starting to lose. Receivers we have always, said, boy
they've got a ton of, receivers but now they're starting
to lose receivers to.
Speaker 5 (41:36):
Injury Tucker craft is out for the.
Speaker 9 (41:38):
Season i'm really anxious to see from year Old nick
of The woods in The Pacific Northwest musgrave because When
musgrave came, out he was hurt his last year At,
oregon but he was considered a really big time. PROSPECT
i did his. Tape he's faster Than, craft you. Know,
Now i'm not saying he's as, good not as. Good
we don't know that because he wasn't used as their
number one tight.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
End he will be. Now but he's got a lot.
Speaker 9 (42:01):
Of juice to, him So i'm very curious to see
how that fits into their.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Offense, also another, game The rams and The. Niners now
The niners are plagued with. Injuries Kind i've always. Been
i'm fascinated when you can go get A puka WHO
i watched At washington AND vyu and then he goes
To veay and from the very first training, Camp stafford
was telling people this, kid This puka kid is. Unbelievable
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he's not the fastest. GUY i do think he's physically.
Strong when you watch This rams, offense how crucial Is
Puka now over In, london he didn't play and they
used four tight ends And Devonte adams now is a
growing relationship With. Stafford stafford had no. Camp how important
Is puka in this offense and why does he succell
to the level he does.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
Well there's a couple of things going on.
Speaker 9 (42:47):
Here first of, all the last two games they've, played
they've played a lot with three tight ends on the,
field which is. Crazy last week they had thirty five
snaps with three tight ends on the. Field BUT i
think McVeigh understands exactly What Puka naku. Is he's not
what we call a true BOUNDARY x where he lines
up as the isolated or single receiver to one side
of the field and you let him just win one on.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
One he's not that.
Speaker 9 (43:10):
Guy in, fact only two of his one hundred and
ninety eight routes this year have been where he's been
an isolated. Receiver that's why they went out and Got
Devonte adams because he is that. Guy that's how they use.
Him but McVeigh understands What nikoo. Is they use him
as a movement. Guy they use him as part of
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two and three route. Combinations they get him off the line.
Cleanly he runs a lot of inbreaking routes and that's
where he's so good because he's so physically, strong and
he's a great player within the context of how he's
used and What sean McVay understands his strengths to. Be
i'm not sure no matter what his numbers, Are colin
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AND i would think you would. Agree i'm not sure
anybody would, say just as a physical talent that.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
You're going to put him in The jefferson Or Jamar chase.
Speaker 9 (44:01):
Category but he's a great player within the context of that.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Offense, yeah fit matters in life and in. Sports let's
let's do Some Caleb. Williams we'll end our segment on
A thursday here in The. Herd first of, all what
did the tape. Say let's just simplify, here what did
the tape say With caleb against The.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
BENGALS i, thought.
Speaker 9 (44:22):
And, again we know The bengals are a bad, defense
but that's not What i'm looking. AT i thought this
was a game maybe the first one this, year OR
i thought the combination of looking at What Ben johnson did,
offensively AND i said to, Myself, oh this is A
Ben johnson. Offense this is what we want to see
From Ben. Johnson this reminded me of The lions, offense
seeing the same, concepts and it was a game WHERE
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i thought That caleb really started to get a feel
for those. Concepts now he's there's still throws where he's
a beat. Late there's still times where there's just a
little too much for neticism in the pocket and he
gets out of there and it just looks. Random that's
what he has to continue to.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
Develop BUT i got it tell, You, colin and you know.
THIS i mean this, kid particularly on the. Move he's
got a power hose net he.
Speaker 9 (45:07):
Throws he throws as pretty a ball as you'll see
in the.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
League but there's still work to. Do but it just.
Started there were some plays in this game.
Speaker 9 (45:16):
WHERE i just felt, like, oh, yeah this is the
Way Ben johnson wants it to.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Look And i'm actually going to show one of. Those
and it's.
Speaker 9 (45:23):
FUNNY i actually watched The lions offense AFTER i Watch
Caleb williams this, week AND i saw the same. Play
so we're going to go to this. Play this was
a thirty nine yarder To, Loveland, okay and this was
in the second, half and this Is Ben. Johnson a
Classic Ben johnson. Play you're going to See williams under center,
here and what they have here is six ozero line
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personnel and this is something that The lions.
Speaker 5 (45:46):
Did it's something That Ben johnson likes to.
Speaker 9 (45:48):
Do and there's a tight end now up, top and
it's closed to the, boundary so it means there's no
one why to the boundary side of the. Field it's
closed to the. Boundary so what you're going to get
Is dunsay In loveland stacked to the wide side of the.
Field so this, personnel this, formation it says to the
defense here it's a run. Look so it's single. High
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so now you're going to see what the route concept.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Is it's. Dagger this is A Ben johnson.
Speaker 9 (46:15):
Special it's an inside vertical by A dunsay and a
dig route By. Loveland so what you end up with
is you're going to get essentially a two on two
kind of matchup because you're going to get the corner
Playing loveland and obviously you've got the safety in the deep. Middle,
now then you run play action under. Center that's something
else that's very representative Of Ben. Johnson so you get
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the play action under, center which they're doing more and
more of, now and that's critical so you get, That
now what happens you get A.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Dunzay he's going to get the safety out of.
Speaker 9 (46:47):
There so now what's going to happen because you only
have the single high safety is the whole middle of
the field becomes open and you Get. Loveland and by the,
Way loveland can beat corners and that's why he's running this.
Route So loveland now works into a void in the
middle of the. Field there's no one. There and look
at this. THROW i, mean this is just one of
those where this is a beautifully thrown ball To. Loveland
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it's thirty one. Yards you see it really well from this.
ANGLE i, mean the ball comes out Of Caleb williams hands.
Beautifully he just needs to be a little more consistently
precise with his ball, location and he just needs to
become a little quicker with how he sees things and
how he delivers the. Football but there's a lot of talent.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
There Greg cosel on A thursday as always great.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Stuff appreciate.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
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