November 6, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin Cowherd starts with the Los Angeles Lakers hot start under head coach JJ Redick, even with LeBron James on the sidelines. Colin explains why Redick’s coaching style could reshape the future of the Lakers franchise and what it means for the NBA’s most glamorous team
Then, Colin turns to the NFL trade deadline, giving Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys credit for making smart, forward-looking moves — even after parting ways with Micah Parsons. Colin believes the Cowboys are now in a better position than they’ve seen in years
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Thursday. Welcome in. It's
the Herd. You gotta play hurt man, You're not always
at one hundred percent. Nobody cares, no tears shed. We're live,
We're in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be,
however you may be watching or listening. Thanks for making
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us part of your day. So you were at the
Spurs Lakers game last night? Lakers went close late years
and years ago, this was probably twenty years ago. I
was talking to an NBA exec. I was court side
of a game, and I got there early. Did you
get there early last night?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Not early enough?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
All right?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So you get there really early an hour and a
half before, and like people come by and he said
something to me, and it's how I want to start
my show. Stars in the NBA in basketball It's not
like baseball. They don't have slumps. They can have a
bad quarter, but guys like Luca are always going to
get theirs. The late Kobe Wilt, Jerry Wett. It doesn't matter.
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Stars get theirs. Great coaching is taking a B minus
player and making him a B plus player, taking a
C plus player and making him a B player. You're
not going to turn Brody James into Lebron James. You're
not going to jump a grade and a half. But
that's what JJ Reddick did and he's doing this year.
Ruey Hachamora is a good B player. He's playing like
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an A player. He's shooting sixty percent from the field.
He's shooting forty seven percent from three. That's an A
player career high end score. Now, it's early in the
NBA season where even the Chicago Bulls are winning right Like,
nobody's playing defense now. But the two biggest plays in
last night's game could have been Ruie took a big charge,
hit a big three. That is what JJ Reddick is doing.
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So last night, you didn't have Lebron, you didn't have
Austin Reeves. A couple of nights ago, you didn't have Luca,
So it's mix and match, but he's doing a great job,
especially on offense, to squeeze the juice out of his
mid level players, like, for instance, DeAndre Ayton, who there
they got for free. Basically portland'span his salary. DeAndre Ayton's
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hot and cold. He's played very well, the best he's played.
The Lakers lead the NBA and field goal percentage. They're
five to zero in close games. Yet lucas one of
the top two to three players in the world and
skinny jeans, Luca is unstoppable rebounds, assists, points, putbacks. He's
gonna get his. Kobeohwa's got his. But can you take
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those bee guys? Go back to Phil Jackson, what he
got out of a Rick Fox or a Derek Fisher.
That's the key to this stuff. What do you get
out of your number four starter? I mean, just last week,
Austin Reeves look like Luca And I think that's what
I watch with JJ Reddick that in basketball, the top
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ten global stars are just gonna always get theirs. Can
you squeeze stuff out of the B minus guys? And
this year if you look at the last two seasons,
because now the culture's been built by JJ Reddick, all
without Lebron James this year six points a game more,
and the new pieces Old Marcus Smart, veteran DeAndre Ayton,
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the young kid, Jake Larevia. They're all playing the best
they've played right now. They're all playing excellent basketball. And
the Lakers are not a good defensive team. They don't
have a great defensive rim protector. They're not super athletic
the wing. But Wemby fouled out last night. Wemby shoots
thirty five percent from the floor. They imposed their will
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on Wemby and it was a very impressive effort. He's
not going to have many games as ugly and inartistic
as last night. So what I see right now, I
see coaching. I see JJ Reddick taking his C plus
and B minus guys and moving them up half a grade.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
That was always always Phil Jackson.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Kobe would have been great, Michael would have been great
with or without Phil Jackson. But it was Phil's ability
to build Steve Kerr into a trustable component alongside Michael Jordan,
to get the most out of marginally talented bigs. That's
always been Phil Jackson's greatest asset. That's what JJ Reddick does,
and they're doing it without Lebron and it's what championship
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teams do. It's what Dave Roberts did with Miguel Rojas
for the Dodgers. Otani's eventually going to get his. Eventually,
Freddie Freeman's going to get his. Can you take the
be guys and make them b plus guys? And JJ
Reddick talks about the win and his current culture.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Sometimes the things you emphasize and the things that make
that you make a daily priority.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Becomes your team.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
And that doesn't always happen, but that was a priority
for us coming into this season. We're just constantly encouraging
and empowering our guys to get connected. I believe that
if you're connected off the floor, you're connected.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
On the floor.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I got to tell you, the city of Los Angeles
has really good coaches. McVeigh and Harbaugh, JJ Reddick, Dave Roberts.
I mean, it's pretty remarkable. There's some even our college
coaches out here. If you look at the Lakers right now,
and again it's early. Nobody plays defense in October and
November in the NBA, they really don't. A lot of
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teams are out of their mind, shooting really high percentages,
but in a very crowded West. Remember long stretches. Lebron
hasn't played. Austen Reeves is out now, Luca's miss games.
It's what he's doing with Aighton, It's what he's doing
with Smart, It's what he's doing with these kind of
B minus C plus Ruiye right now is playing the
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best basketball of his career. Ruey's a nice player. He's
not this nice, But give JJ Ruddick a lot of
credit for that.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I was here on Tuesday, sick yesterday, and Tuesday was
the trade deadline show. And I'll say this, I've been
very critical of the Dallas Cowboys for a long time,
but I am in total disagreement. I watched a little
of shows yesterday. I'm in total disagreement with virtually every
other media member on what the Cowboys did with Micah
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and these moves to get Quinn Williams. So one of
the things I liked about the Micah move it created
liquidation and flexibility and diversification. They were going to be
too top heavy, and Jerry Jones is a deal maker,
and if they signed Luca between Ceedee Lamb and Dak
they just have no flexibility, no diversification.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
They'd be top heavy.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So I think one of the things that's being overlooked
that the Cowboys did in this deal to get Quinn Williams.
They retained they kept both number one picks in this
coming draft in April.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
They gave up a first the draft after because this
draft has two things that benefit the Cowboys. Tons of
good edge rushers. Now with Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams
interior linemen that are way above average. One of them's
a star, they'll go get an edge rusher to add
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to that. The second thing they have is a quarterback
in a quarterback rich draft where eight teams are desperate
for one. So those picks they give up to the Jets,
they can get those back with the flexibility, diversification of
two first round picks and what you can do with it.
And so the draft has an edge rusher replaced Micah
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and quarterbacks don't need move down that pick.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
So that's what I love.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
The second thing is Dallas is saying, and I totally
agree with them, by acquiring Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark,
what they're telling you is they view interior defensive linemen
as more valuable than edge rushers. And I'm here to
tell you I totally agree. The New England Patriots this
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year spent money on interior defensive line, number one rush
defense in the NFL. You know who else has a
really good interior defensive line spends money on it? The
Colts top five run defense. Here are the teams that
have excellent interior defensive linemen. Tampa, Seattle, Denver, Colts, Patriots, Rams, Eagles.
That's a different body type. Edge rushers are like wide receivers.
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You can find tall guy guy, great athletes six four
and a half, six five and a half that can
catch the football or Russia passer. It is incredibly rare
to find somebody who's six' two three point twenty with good.
Feet that's What Quinn williams. Has, Okay So Kenny clark
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And Quinn williams give you, LIKE i, mean what's the
strength Of philadelphia this? Year why can't The rams Beat?
Philadelphia because they can't Block davis and the kid out Of.
Georgia they can't block those two interior. Carter they can't block.
Them that's why they lost this year Against. Phillyots why
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they lost in the playoffs last. Year they're struggling to
block those. Guys So dallas has, said we Love, micah
but will take flexibility and INTERIOR d line over an
expensive edge. Rusher Julian edelman was On my show On
tuesday and he talked about this during The patriots. Dynasty
brady gets, credit gets, Credit belichick gets.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Credit he, said it's the INTERIOR d.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Line we wouldn't have been The New England patriots if
it wasn't For seymour Or Will fork like we had.
There and there's a bunch of other Guys branch and
and there's a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Guys but the interior.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
Part if you got a guy that can take away two,
gaps that's tough on the run. Game and once you
start to make a team one dimensional and they can't
run the, football then you can dial up better you,
know coverage for your secondary and you can get more.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Creative, yeah AND i everybody's, like, Oh dallas is making bad.
Moves what they did is they, said we don't want
to be top heavy with.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Salaries we want more.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Flexibility go ask any great business person what they. Want
it's not just, assets it's the ability to acquire them
or move off.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Them they want.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Flexibility dallas couldn't afford a running Back Dereck henry for
eight million dollars two years. Ago jerry's an, Entrepreneur jerry's a.
Businessman his hands were. Tied he Didn't he wanted, flexibility
the ability to. Diversify and then they moved their importance
on defense from the. Edge inside every EXECUTIVE i talk,
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to they always talk.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
About rare, skills rare body.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Type, seattle THE Gm John snyder just went and got
a deep threat receiver For Sam darnold's. Why how many
people on the planet run a four to two eight
forty a four three two? Forty not? Many So Quinn
williams is a unique body. Type Chris. Jones i'm not
Saying Miles garrett isn't a great edge, rusher but you
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can Move Chris jones all over the defensive. Line And
i'm not Saying Max crosby's not. Amazing but when you
can get that great left, tackle that receiver that runs
a four to two, nine that interior defensive lineman with good,
feet it's just more valuable than an edge.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Rusher SO i like What dallas has.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Done Lebron james still not.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Playing apparently he's getting closer to, playing.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Ramping up to five on, five should be back By.
Thanksgiving it's going to be interesting to see how he Meshes.
Colin The lakers vibes are amazing right. Now everybody Understands
luca is the fulcrum of the. Team, yes reeves his
secondary and we all operate around.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Him AND i think the delta Between lebron And luca
will grow like the last couple of. Years last, year,
overweight still, Healing luca And lebron just depended on the.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Night some nights it Was, lebron some nights it Was.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Luca this Is luca's team by a significant.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Stretch does it feel like a guy who was the
man in high school goes off to, college a new
guy takes over the high school, team and the guy
comes back from college and is, like, oh.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Things have changed.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Here it feels like everybody's catering To, luca WHICH i
don't have a problem. With it's just how Does lebron
sit in to that? Offense it could be, clunky or
he's a professional and, says.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
HEY i Got lebron's always been better on ball than
off because he still remains a streaky, shooter and So
luca can do. Both but he is the best on
ball player they. Have SO i Want. LUCA i said
this before in the, OFFSEASON i said the gap Between
lebron And luca is going to be noticeable this. YEAR
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i Think luca has a chance to w AIN mvp
If wemby. DOESN'T i Think luca is going to jump
over The SGAs The honises this. Year it's going to
be A Jokic Wemby luca season in THE. NBA i
still don't think they're good enough, defensively and you can't
take too much From NOVEMBER nba. Basketball nobody's locked in defensively.
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Lebron james has not played this. Year he will not
reportedly go on The lakers five game road. Trip he's
got a sciatica issue that's a nerve in the lower
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back and also Where napoleon was exiled to. Sciatica so
my least favorite quality in men is high maintenance and.
Neediness And i'm not Saying lebron's doing, that but there are.
Those there's some supposition That lebron has his feeling, hurt
hurt because he hasn't been offered an, Extension SO i
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don't know if that's true or. NOT i Think lebron's
smart enough to know the torch has been passed IN
la and this has always Been The lakers have always
been a past the torch, organization right Like kareem To
magic To shack To kobe To, lebron and it's clearly been.
Passed not only an ownership from the bus family to
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The dodgers. Owners but now It's luca's, team and The
lakers don't Need lebron to sell, tickets just like they
didn't Need kareem to sell, tickets just like eventually they
found out they didn't Need shaq to sell. Tickets there's
always somebody IN la making a, debut and they're In Los.
Angeles the stars are almost all young and. Ascending You're,
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otani's and You're, yoshi's and you're Justin, herbert's and You're Puka,
nakuas and You're. Lucas they're all young and, ascending with
very few. EXCEPTIONS i also feel like the league has
a little bit Of lebron. FATIGUE i also feel Like
lebron was never In Los angeles nearly as popular As.
MAGIC i think he's like he's in The kareem popularity
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more than The kobe or The. Magic so you know
my takeaway and all, This lebron's gotta fall in line or.
Leave this is Not cleveland and it's not Even. Miami
so it's a, past the, past The Torch. City and
WHEN i look At lebron right, now are his feelings
getting hurt a little?
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Bit does he feel like he should.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Have been offered a contract extension BECAUSE la Welcomed, lebron
they didn't worship. Him, sorry in my in my, Lifetime
magic's the most Popular laker of all, Time kobe's the
second most Popular laker of all. Time there's an Argument
Jerry west was the third most Popular laker of all.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Time lebron's.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Not and and you got to remember For Rich paul And,
lebron and again maybe they maybe they aren't in their.
Fields But, lebron do you realize The lakers in his entire,
career this is the longest he's ever been in one
team for a concurrent, stretch The. Lakers so he's been
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an interloper and short signed one year deals for most
of his. Career so nobody's gonna lose any sleep if
they're a little less loyal To lebron Than lebron. Wants
he may understand all of, this he may get absolutely
all of. This but my take is on this is
you can feel. It lebron is going to have to
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play off. Ball it Is lucas. Team it IS Jj
reddick's vision for most Of lebron's. CAREER i always said,
This Kevin durant could play. Anywhere you can get him
the ball late in the.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Shot, clock he can hit.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Shots Steph curry And lebron become your offensive. Ecosystem Golden
state has. Discovered young guys don't work With Steph. Curry
it's just too. Hard it's just too, quick too, smart too.
Fast that's Why steph works with older players really really.
Well immediately WITH, kd always With, draymond quickly With Andrew.
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Bogan young guys he struggles. With And lebron he has
been the. Centerpiece he's very opposite OF. Kd he becomes
your offensive. Ecosystem and it's, over that is. Done you
cannot coach this organization going forward With lebron being a.
Centerpiece he's just an. Asset and there are nights That
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Austin reeves needs the ball and has a mismatch. Advantage
Charles barkley was On Jim Rome show and just talked
about Older lebron for all the, time always gonna.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
Win there's nothing you can do about, it you. KNOW
i joked on the show a couple of weeks ago
to head just Says, oka they could have just row.
Old it's the exact same. Thing all old people back.
Hurt you, know he's got to. ACCEPT i hope he
leaves sooner than. Later Obviously lebron's a better player than.
Me BUT i don't want to see great players just
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hang it.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
On that's, Right Charles barkley nailed. It you don't want
to see old guys just hanging. ON i don't have
a problem With lebron being, here but an extension.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
These new, OWNERS i don't.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
KNOW I in, FACT i would ARGUE i would take
An Austin reeves, extension and you know HOW i feel
about that over A lebron. Extension say what you want
About Austin, reeves but if you can keep him, Around,
lucas you're. One austin's your, three and then you go
find a two that feels like a championship level.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
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Speaker 2 (19:44):
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Speaker 4 (19:46):
News this is me biting my. Tongue all, right let's
get started with The Philadelphia, Eagles, colin come. On they
are coming off of bye and have a huge game
against The Packers monday. Night packers not in The herd,
hierarchy yet favored over the number One.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Eagles everybody Likes Green bay in this spot, right.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Everybody, does including. Me let's talk About Jalen, hurts though
he was interestingly tied for first in THE nfl with
six completions of forty yards and second of homes with
eleven completions of thirty plus air. Yards HERE'S o See
Kevin patullo talking About hurts beautiful deep ball.
Speaker 10 (20:23):
Accuracy he's unbelievable at, It like he does a tremendous
job of understanding where to place the, ball seeing the,
coverage knowing how to put in a spot to where
it's you, know our guy or, nobody and he really
works at, it.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
You know if you.
Speaker 10 (20:38):
WANT i, know you guys aren't out there the whole
time when you watch, practice and he works at it
in between periods during the, period like constantly's talking to the,
Guys here's where it's going to, Be here's What i'm
going to. Do SO i think it's those little extra.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Things, Yeah packers And eagles is really.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Interesting top top three game of the Weekend niners rams is.
Phenomenal but, Uh Jalen hurts deep ball. Accuracy so you,
know because he wasn't a first round pick because he's
not six' five and strapping because he had to transfer.
In college he doesn't get THE respect i think that,
he deserves and all he does every year is check
off another Box, of hey YOU say i can't, Do,
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this okay here We. Go colin he's one of the
best deep ball throwers in the league this. SEASON period
i know he may not throw the, best ball but the, numbers,
say man he's.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Hell out he. Adds things there are things throwing over
the middle he's not, great at but. He adds there's
certain virtues he has with, his strength, his mobility, his toughness.
His maturity i've said. This before philadelphia is a loud,
sports city and there is value in having an adult be.
Your Quarterback right you've got to be able to deal
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with talk radio and. The anger and they got their
security Guy IN sirian's i have said This about he
reminds Me of philadelphia's version Of dak is that you
have to Deal with jerry and An aggressive dallas me
and you're the centerpiece of. The league the Things that
jalen doesn't do have not hurt him much so far in.
HIS career i don't think he throws the ball over
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the Middle Like matt stafford Does or. Mahomes does but,
his strength his kind of dexterity as, an athlete and
his maturity are the INTANGIBLES that i think make him sort.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
OF dack, i MEAN if, i say if you're building
like a perfect quarterback and you're taking parts from all,
THESE quarterbacks i don't see Why Just jalen hurts wouldn't,
be like almost ideally the. Perfect quarterback he's got the.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Strong legs but the thing he is thrown for under
two hundred yards four times This year they've won all.
Four games so it's not a criticism to say he
Is Not. Josh allen he doesn't have that size or
skill set what he, does though he is a great
fit on, a physical power running team when he throws under.
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Two HUNDRED if i, told, You yeah mahomes throws for under,
Two hundred, You're, Like Oh kansas city's. In TROUBLE if
i Told, you philadelphia you'd be, Like perfect that's how they.
Should play so that's telling you what the. Talent disparity
he does have one Thing Over. Josh allen he has
a victory Over the chiefs in. The postseason allen has
not been able to pull. That off obviously The super.
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Bowl win, all right let's Move On.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Detroit, Lions colin i'm still smarting from that loss To,
the vikings one of the bigger surprises in. Recent weeks
they play a Beat up. Commander's TEAM but i don't
know if you've seen the, Injury report lions themselves. Walking
Wounded Here's jared Goff saying detroit will have a little
extra motivation after Last season's divisional round Loss.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
To washington that's definitely part.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Of.
Speaker 11 (23:36):
IT absolutely i think you know more. Than that we,
want to, you know get off of a losing streak
here and get A w and certainly you're you're thinking,
about THAT but i think, you know it's how many,
games ago nine games, Ago now so we're trying to
get a win this year and maybe use that as
a little loud of motivation if we.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Need it so three starters on the offensive line did not.
Practice yesterday their.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Tackle are both. Banged up That. Was wednesday.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
It's wednesday. It's early we'll see. What happens but the
line has. Come down this was eight and, a half
it's now seven and. A. Half, COMING yeah I know.
Washington Stinks dan campbell twelve to zero against the spread after.
A loss i Cannot take, washington here?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Can?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
You No the lions are one of my. FAVORITE plays
i hope the line keeps. Coming DOWN so i also
Think the lions lost a home game where they, Rarely
lose so.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
You're gonna get a great week.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Of, Practice meanwhile washington and all the trade, DEADLINE rumors
i think it's a is there a whiff of?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
QUIT here i don't know if, it's.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Quit but not all locker rooms are the Same, By
november like there's.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
A lot, i mean like right Now.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
The jets you know that that's hard to motivate a
team when the ownership and the front office doesn't appear
to care about.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
This SEASON so, i think you Know the Jade and.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Daniels Thing marcus mariota can, have stretches but it Feels
like detroit's the.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Play, Here yeah i'm kind of.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
With.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
YOU outdoors i need to check the weather and make
sure it's. Not sloppy but, then again why didn't ca't
stop the?
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Run anyway is?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Not good.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Final story let's go To Your.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Chicago bears coming off that win Over the bengals and
now Hosting The Giant number day creeping up a. Little
Bit caleb williams had a solid game Against. THE bengals, i,
mean hell. Everyone does caleb threw for two eighty and.
Three Touchdowns Here's ben johnson gassing up.
Speaker 12 (25:20):
His quarterback some weeks are better, than others which. We
knew but he's a lot better place now with his
process than he was to start. The season you know
that whole the week isn't necessarily smooth, sailing ALWAYS but
i think that's to be expected with year one in a.
New system so he's learning and he's spent a lot
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of time. At It so i'm very pleased with, his
APPROACH and i think we've got the right group of
guys around him to help. Support HIM so i think
we're going to continue to see him take off here
second half.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
The SEASON what i am hearing off the AIR when
i text people around, the league Everybody Loves. Ben, johnson
yeah everybody Thinks the bears got the next great. Young
coach there's still a lot. Of doubt despite LEADING the
nfl in big, plays offensively there are still a lot
of Doubts. With, caleb people OLD school, nfl guys older
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executives just don't think it looks as tight as it.
Should look in, MY take i Talked About. CAM newton
i think he's a there's a Lot Of. Cam Newton
cam newton's mechanics would drive. You crazy cam playing in
structure would drive. You crazy, cam's inconsistency he never had
back to back. Winning seasons but you Couldn't deny. Cam's
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talent you Can't deny. Caleb's TALENT and i actually think That,
win sunday. That throw, you know he had a couple
of PLAYS that i just. DON'T think i think ninety
percent of the league doesn't MAKE so i. Don't know
it's not gonna look like a lot of other. Guys
LOOK but i also think there's a confidence with. HIS
teammates i Really like, chicago's coaching, their PERSONNEL and i
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think Not that caleb along for. A ride but he's
not gonna play like a lot of. Guys playing you
just have to come to terms.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
With it it is only eight Games With. BEN johnson
i was just. Looking Up So cam newton pled basically
the same Head Coach ron rivera for like almost his
entire Tenure. In, Carolina yeah caleb year two new coach.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
KNEW everything i.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Mean so i'm giving him. Some time i'm. WITH you
i don't think he's, looked amazing but. Who cares they're
winning and it has a lot to do with the.
Run game, YOU know i got to say his, Name Eventually.
Kyle manongai he's a little, Banged Up, DeAndre swift. BANGED
Up dj moore. Miss practice adunze. Miss Practice so i'm a. Little,
Concerned again it's, Only, today THURSDAY but I think i
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Like the, bears.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
HERE Agree j mack with, The news well that's, the.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
News and thanks for stopping by the. Herd LINE so
i will. Say this.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
During the, trade deadline you Know, the jets it was
a flea market and they were. Selling everything dallas, comes
In the colts. Come in buffalo didn't, do anything AND,
Their Gm brandon, bean said, YOU know i went home
as mad as. Everybody else pump the brakes On. Criticizing
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buffalo if you look AT the afc, playoff standings just
take a look at the teams they could. Possibly play
they could Play The, indianapolis colts whose quarterback nobody really
believes in the number two Seed Is, new England Where
drake may has not played two. Complete seasons the number
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three Seed, is denver who appears to only play, one
way dominating the. Fourth quarter number Four Is, aaron rodgers
a forty one year. Old quarterback number Six Is, justin
herbert missing both offensive tackles the rest of. The way
number Seven's the jags, Nobody trusts so there's a real
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there's A real first, of ALL The afc championship over
the last six seven years has been played.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
At narrowhead that's.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Not happening so this, is easily at this point in,
a season the most favorable Route For. JOSH allen i
think their bigger issue Is That, keon coleman the, wide
receiver shocker and other wide receiver's. Really immature he's shown
up late he's not. Been dependable so you know it's
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year two. For him you hope, he matures but you
know their tight end group. Is excellent best Running back
josh has had o lines better. Than average josh is in.
HIS prime i don't think it's the end of the
world that they didn't make a. Big move just go
look AT the afc. Right now it's. Average quarterbacks it's
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quarterbacks you. Don't trust it's a lot. Of guys so,
you know a lot, of times the barrier to a championship,
isn't you it's. YOUR rival I Mean phil Mickelson Wasn't
phil mickelson? Worst enemy he had to Go through tiger in?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
His?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Prime right that Was Always utah jazz were good enough
to be a. Championship team It was Jordan. And PIPPIN
so i Look. At buffalo buffalo has lost close games
To The Kansas city Chiefs at arrowhead in. The postseason
they may. Lose again it's not going to Be. AN
arrowhead i mean There's no burrow. This year lamar right
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now is not a. Playoff quarterback so if you Were
a bills fan and everybody's freaking out they didn't make
a trade at the, trade deadline well.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Don't throw around. Bad money it's.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Right now if you looked at who's in, THE playoffs
i would Take the bills. To WIN and i didn't
say that. Last year WELL maybe i said it. LAST
year i didn't say it the. Year before look at who.
They're playing you Trust, the colts The, Young Patriots, Bo Nixon.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Denver Old aaron herbert with. No tackles who Trust the?
Jaguars EVER so i think.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
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Speaker 4 (31:23):
Roll Talk with klatt about. That yesterday you know they
got a shot at.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
The, playoff well they're Gonna beat Northwestern, in iowa but
then they have to Go.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
To eugene so Good luck indiana.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
One there why can't, you say.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Well IN, the us he's not as Good, As indiana.
That's why so you see this sometimes where a great
actor has. A role, You Know tom hanks does, the
terminal he makes a. Bad choice you see. Great Regress
marlon brando. Had bombs you see A Zagat michelin, star
restaurant a. Chef leaves, it's good but it's. Not special
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you see eight slowly sometimes kind of regress. Into good
you very rarely see hot dog on a stick becomes.
Zaggat rated you don't see, you know atrocious, become exceptional
like it just, doesn't happen especially. In Sports So sam
darnold was so Bad In. NEW york i, WAS like
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i don't know. WHAT happened i thought he was going
to be sort of a little Bit Of andrew luck
his last. Two years he is now with, all analytics
the best quarterback IN. The, NFL no, i mean and
they Just Added, rashi shaheed a. Deep threat so now
he's got a DEEP threat js and that Rookie From
colorado state the old.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Lines better he's literally.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Gone from unplayable to best guy in. The LEAGUE and i,
was saying if you just count quarterbacks that, have played,
you know every game, this year you Can't Count lamar
jackson In this what is the quarterback pyramid based just
on this year alone for? Quarterback play what does it?
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Look like and this is what it. Looks like sorry
for the. Radio audience we have A little collins quarterback.
Performance period donald's, Number one Allan. And stafford right, Below
him Drake May, Herbert, Baker, Mayfield, Mahomes, jones Prescott. And
golf now that's not necessarily that far. From, reality now
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if you're, Talking careers mahomes would be at. The top
but if you're, talking today This Second sam darnold is
the best quarterback IN. The nfl it. Is unbelievable you
just don't. See, that ever you, could, say well What.
About baker Baker in cleveland won a playoff game and
the year, he did his quarterback RATING was i think
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it was ninety six or. NINETY eight i think it was.
Ninety six sam's passer Rating In new york was not
even good for. A backup he had more turnovers. Than
touchdowns like forget the winning, wasn't productive it. Was awful
we know now that everybody's awful With, the jets but
what he is doing is.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Incredibly Rare So.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Bill belichick was on a podcast Yesterday and i've said
this multiple times on, the show the hottest quarterback in
the league Outside Of sam darnold Is Probably. Matt Stafford
and i've said before where you land IN the nfl matters.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
A Lot if stafford would have.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Landed In green Bay And, aaron rodgers who can, be
moody would have Landed, in detroit.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
We would Look at.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Stafford differently stafford was Better Than aaron rodgers in, high school,
in college and he's better now by a. Long shot
and he was better in the first three or four
years IN the Nfl, than Rogers but aaron had that
ten to eleven year Run In green bay because he
had a really. Good organization and it's going to be
fascinating to see What If matt stafford wins This Year's,
super bowl and RIGHT now i think that the best
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team or second best team IN the lea like. What
Happens bill belichick was on a recent podcast talking About This.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
MATT stafford.
Speaker 13 (35:08):
I don't want to put him in a Class, with
TOM but i mean it's Reminiscent, of brady where it
just keeps getting better and better. AND better i remember
when we practiced against him and played him several. Years ago,
gotten smarter he, understands more he knows how to, use
weapons maybe just a split. Second quicker he's a little
harder to fool and something you might have got him
with a couple of, years.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Ago you're not going to get him.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
With now what's really cruel about quarterback is by the
time you, master it you're usually like, thirty three, thirty four.
Thirty five That's when brady started saying things To Like,
jay Glazer like i've.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Seen everything you can't.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Fool me brady talked About A super Bowl Against, Patrick mahomes,
HE'S like i knew What the chiefs defense was going
to do better Than the chiefs defense knew what they
were going.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
To do and So but brady had a.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Great advantage he had the best offensive line coach, Probably Ever.
Dante Scarnecia so brady just didn't get hit for most of.
His Career so brady at four four had a thirty
four year. Old body that's not the Case, with stafford
who GOT the u know what beat out of him
for twelve Years. In detroit so he's thirty seven and
he looks thirty seven with a really.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Bad Back but i've asked the question.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Before if he Wins A super bowl, THIS year, i
mean he's already all time, completions, eighth, yards, ninth, passing,
touchdowns ninth game, winning drives fifth.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
And wins he's moving.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Up fast so there's just not many quarterbacks in the
history of the league that Have Two super bowls AND.
An Mvp, It's, Mahomes, Brady, Manning, Elway, montana Bradshaw And.
Bart starr so there's only one quarterback in this league
that can go from really really great. To historic this
is it quarterbacks With Two super bowl wins AND an
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mvp at.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Least one it's all.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
The, Legends, mahomes Peyton, Tom, elway Montana, Bradshaw Art star
stafford can get into. That group and so his last,
five games, sixteen touchdowns. No picks he is just on
an absolute heater. The question and he's. Done this what's
amazing is no. Training camp he learned on the fly
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With The. Vonte adams so what's? Really impressive, you know
an undrafted left tackle learned on the fly With De,
vante adams did not participate to any extent in preseason
and proving once Again what sean mcvagh has felt is
the exhibition season is a lot. Of nonsense it doesn't.
Really matter but YOU AND. I, j mack you've actually
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been on. This forever where you land IN the nfl
is about seventy five percent of your success as. A
quarterback i mean a great Example Is caleb williams with
that outfit, last year everybody bailed. On him this Year
the bears LEAD the nfl in, Big plays so the gap.
In coaching obviously mcveigh's better than Any anybody. Detroit had
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but here Here Was max Crosby the raiders recently Talking
about stafford as A potential mvp for.
Speaker 14 (38:08):
Some reason just because their team wasn't, The, best like
he didn't get that love until he went To, the
rams and.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Now people, were, Like see, i'm, like bro.
Speaker 14 (38:16):
He's been doing that for ten Years. In detroit it
would be dope To see STAFFORD WHEN, i mvp because people, were,
like well is He a Hall. Of famer, i'm like
he's been top five for. FIFTEEN years i don't give
up what. Anyone says can we have. THIS conversation i
don't give what. Anyone says oh that that's. ABSOLUTELY true,
i mean think.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
About this think how much Trust that sean McVay had
to have to not only trade Away A super bowl quarterback,
in golf but be willing to Pay for stafford and.
Golf Simultaneously so sean McVay knows more football than you.
Or me sean, mcvay's, Like yeah i'm gonna move. Off,
golf who by, the way he has been a top
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twelve quarterback for most of, His Career so i'll move.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Off him i'll.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Take An old stafford that's never a, playoff Game and
i'll pay for both that Is having there are certain
people in baseball's like this a lot where you go
ask baseball players who's, really good who's a bit of,
a fraud and they'll, be, like, oh no this guy's.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Actually great everybody.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Understands it you go ask pro football Players About, matt
stafford they're All Like. Matt trosby, they're, like bro that
guy's been a top five quarterback for.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Fifteen years he just Got. Crappy detroit so.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
It's and the great thing about him he is a film.
Room junkie his wife makes more news than. He does
he's never in. The news he's kind of a. Regular guy,
you know you'll see him golfing occasionally in town at
one of the. Country clubs but he really is, low key.
Very chill but he's the only quarterback in the league
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that can can join a very go from great to historic.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
This, YEAR yeah, I mean i would say he's certainly
IN the.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Mvp.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Discussion Now Getting devonte adams, Clearly, helps oh.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
No question a.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
MAJOR upgrade i Mean They cooper cup was like one
of their. Core guys he was bill. Loved out they
moved off in. Pretty, easily yeah what has he Done,
In seattle colin like next to nothing and.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
They, upgrade well he's there four Now. In, Seattle, yeah
yeah they had.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Young receivers, snyder said we'll bring an old veteran possession.
Guy In but, i'll Say If cooper cup's, youre four
that's not a.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Bad receiving but mcvay's done a great Job with sneed,
and company just constantly retooling.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
The team yeah, All Right, greg cosell it Is. A
thursday it's my favorite fifteen minutes of. The week, one
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We're in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be,
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us part of your day. So you were at the
Spurs Lakers game last night? Lakers went close late years
and years ago, this was probably twenty years ago. I
was talking to an NBA exec. I was court side
of a game, and I got there early. Did you
get there early last night?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Not early enough?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
All right?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So you get there really early an hour and a
half before, and like people come by and he said
something to me, and it's how I want to start
my show. Stars in the NBA in basketball It's not
like baseball. They don't have slumps. They can have a
bad quarter, but guys like Luca are always going to
get theirs. The late Kobe Wilt, Jerry Wett. It doesn't matter.
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Stars get theirs. Great coaching is taking a B minus
player and making him a B plus player, taking a
C plus player and making him a B player. You're
not going to turn Brody James into Lebron James. You're
not going to jump a grade and a half. But
that's what JJ Reddick did and he's doing this year.
Ruey Hachamora is a good B player. He's playing like
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an A player. He's shooting sixty percent from the field.
He's shooting forty seven percent from three. That's an A
player career high end score. Now, it's early in the
NBA season where even the Chicago Bulls are winning right Like,
nobody's playing defense now. But the two biggest plays in
last night's game could have been Ruie took a big charge,
hit a big three. That is what JJ Reddick is doing.
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So last night, you didn't have Lebron, you didn't have
Austin Reeves. A couple of nights ago, you didn't have Luca,
So it's mix and match, but he's doing a great job,
especially on offense, to squeeze the juice out of his
mid level players, like, for instance, DeAndre Ayton, who there
they got for free. Basically portland'span his salary. DeAndre Ayton's
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hot and cold. He's played very well, the best he's played.
The Lakers lead the NBA and field goal percentage. They're
five to zero in close games. Yet lucas one of
the top two to three players in the world and
skinny jeans, Luca is unstoppable rebounds, assists, points, putbacks. He's
gonna get his. Kobeohwa's got his. But can you take
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those bee guys? Go back to Phil Jackson, what he
got out of a Rick Fox or a Derek Fisher.
That's the key to this stuff. What do you get
out of your number four starter? I mean, just last week,
Austin Reeves look like Luca And I think that's what
I watch with JJ Reddick that in basketball, the top
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ten global stars are just gonna always get theirs. Can
you squeeze stuff out of the B minus guys? And
this year if you look at the last two seasons,
because now the culture's been built by JJ Reddick, all
without Lebron James this year six points a game more,
and the new pieces Old Marcus Smart, veteran DeAndre Ayton,
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the young kid, Jake Larevia. They're all playing the best
they've played right now. They're all playing excellent basketball. And
the Lakers are not a good defensive team. They don't
have a great defensive rim protector. They're not super athletic
the wing. But Wemby fouled out last night. Wemby shoots
thirty five percent from the floor. They imposed their will
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on Wemby and it was a very impressive effort. He's
not going to have many games as ugly and inartistic
as last night. So what I see right now, I
see coaching. I see JJ Reddick taking his C plus
and B minus guys and moving them up half a grade.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
That was always always Phil Jackson.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Kobe would have been great, Michael would have been great
with or without Phil Jackson. But it was Phil's ability
to build Steve Kerr into a trustable component alongside Michael Jordan,
to get the most out of marginally talented bigs. That's
always been Phil Jackson's greatest asset. That's what JJ Reddick does,
and they're doing it without Lebron and it's what championship
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teams do. It's what Dave Roberts did with Miguel Rojas
for the Dodgers. Otani's eventually going to get his. Eventually,
Freddie Freeman's going to get his. Can you take the
be guys and make them b plus guys? And JJ
Reddick talks about the win and his current culture.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Sometimes the things you emphasize and the things that make
that you make a daily priority.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Becomes your team.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
And that doesn't always happen, but that was a priority
for us coming into this season. We're just constantly encouraging
and empowering our guys to get connected. I believe that
if you're connected off the floor, you're connected.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
On the floor.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I got to tell you, the city of Los Angeles
has really good coaches. McVeigh and Harbaugh, JJ Reddick, Dave Roberts.
I mean, it's pretty remarkable. There's some even our college
coaches out here. If you look at the Lakers right now,
and again it's early. Nobody plays defense in October and
November in the NBA, they really don't. A lot of
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teams are out of their mind, shooting really high percentages,
but in a very crowded West. Remember long stretches. Lebron
hasn't played. Austen Reeves is out now, Luca's miss games.
It's what he's doing with Aighton, It's what he's doing
with Smart, It's what he's doing with these kind of
B minus C plus Ruiye right now is playing the
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best basketball of his career. Ruey's a nice player. He's
not this nice, But give JJ Ruddick a lot of
credit for that.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I was here on Tuesday, sick yesterday, and Tuesday was
the trade deadline show. And I'll say this, I've been
very critical of the Dallas Cowboys for a long time,
but I am in total disagreement. I watched a little
of shows yesterday. I'm in total disagreement with virtually every
other media member on what the Cowboys did with Micah
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and these moves to get Quinn Williams. So one of
the things I liked about the Micah move it created
liquidation and flexibility and diversification. They were going to be
too top heavy, and Jerry Jones is a deal maker,
and if they signed Luca between Ceedee Lamb and Dak
they just have no flexibility, no diversification.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
They'd be top heavy.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So I think one of the things that's being overlooked
that the Cowboys did in this deal to get Quinn Williams.
They retained they kept both number one picks in this
coming draft in April.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
They gave up a first the draft after because this
draft has two things that benefit the Cowboys. Tons of
good edge rushers. Now with Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams
interior linemen that are way above average. One of them's
a star, they'll go get an edge rusher to add
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to that. The second thing they have is a quarterback
in a quarterback rich draft where eight teams are desperate
for one. So those picks they give up to the Jets,
they can get those back with the flexibility, diversification of
two first round picks and what you can do with it.
And so the draft has an edge rusher replaced Micah
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and quarterbacks don't need move down that pick.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
So that's what I love.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
The second thing is Dallas is saying, and I totally
agree with them, by acquiring Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark,
what they're telling you is they view interior defensive linemen
as more valuable than edge rushers. And I'm here to
tell you I totally agree. The New England Patriots this
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year spent money on interior defensive line, number one rush
defense in the NFL. You know who else has a
really good interior defensive line spends money on it? The
Colts top five run defense. Here are the teams that
have excellent interior defensive linemen. Tampa, Seattle, Denver, Colts, Patriots, Rams, Eagles.
That's a different body type. Edge rushers are like wide receivers.
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You can find tall guy guy, great athletes six four
and a half, six five and a half that can
catch the football or Russia passer. It is incredibly rare
to find somebody who's six' two three point twenty with good.
Feet that's What Quinn williams. Has, Okay So Kenny clark
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And Quinn williams give you, LIKE i, mean what's the
strength Of philadelphia this? Year why can't The rams Beat?
Philadelphia because they can't Block davis and the kid out Of.
Georgia they can't block those two interior. Carter they can't block.
Them that's why they lost this year Against. Phillyots why
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they lost in the playoffs last. Year they're struggling to
block those. Guys So dallas has, said we Love, micah
but will take flexibility and INTERIOR d line over an
expensive edge. Rusher Julian edelman was On my show On
tuesday and he talked about this during The patriots. Dynasty
brady gets, credit gets, Credit belichick gets.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Credit he, said it's the INTERIOR d.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Line we wouldn't have been The New England patriots if
it wasn't For seymour Or Will fork like we had.
There and there's a bunch of other Guys branch and
and there's a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Guys but the interior.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
Part if you got a guy that can take away two,
gaps that's tough on the run. Game and once you
start to make a team one dimensional and they can't
run the, football then you can dial up better you,
know coverage for your secondary and you can get more.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Creative, yeah AND i everybody's, like, Oh dallas is making bad.
Moves what they did is they, said we don't want
to be top heavy with.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Salaries we want more.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Flexibility go ask any great business person what they. Want
it's not just, assets it's the ability to acquire them
or move off.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Them they want.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Flexibility dallas couldn't afford a running Back Dereck henry for
eight million dollars two years. Ago jerry's an, Entrepreneur jerry's a.
Businessman his hands were. Tied he Didn't he wanted, flexibility
the ability to. Diversify and then they moved their importance
on defense from the. Edge inside every EXECUTIVE i talk,
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to they always talk.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
About rare, skills rare body.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Type, seattle THE Gm John snyder just went and got
a deep threat receiver For Sam darnold's. Why how many
people on the planet run a four to two eight
forty a four three two? Forty not? Many So Quinn
williams is a unique body. Type Chris. Jones i'm not
Saying Miles garrett isn't a great edge, rusher but you
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can Move Chris jones all over the defensive. Line And
i'm not Saying Max crosby's not. Amazing but when you
can get that great left, tackle that receiver that runs
a four to two, nine that interior defensive lineman with good,
feet it's just more valuable than an edge.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Rusher SO i like What dallas has.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Done Lebron james still not.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Playing apparently he's getting closer to, playing.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Ramping up to five on, five should be back By.
Thanksgiving it's going to be interesting to see how he Meshes.
Colin The lakers vibes are amazing right. Now everybody Understands
luca is the fulcrum of the. Team, yes reeves his
secondary and we all operate around.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Him AND i think the delta Between lebron And luca
will grow like the last couple of. Years last, year,
overweight still, Healing luca And lebron just depended on the.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Night some nights it Was, lebron some nights it Was.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Luca this Is luca's team by a significant.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Stretch does it feel like a guy who was the
man in high school goes off to, college a new
guy takes over the high school, team and the guy
comes back from college and is, like, oh.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Things have changed.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Here it feels like everybody's catering To, luca WHICH i
don't have a problem. With it's just how Does lebron
sit in to that? Offense it could be, clunky or
he's a professional and, says.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
HEY i Got lebron's always been better on ball than
off because he still remains a streaky, shooter and So
luca can do. Both but he is the best on
ball player they. Have SO i Want. LUCA i said
this before in the, OFFSEASON i said the gap Between
lebron And luca is going to be noticeable this. YEAR
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i Think luca has a chance to w AIN mvp
If wemby. DOESN'T i Think luca is going to jump
over The SGAs The honises this. Year it's going to
be A Jokic Wemby luca season in THE. NBA i
still don't think they're good enough, defensively and you can't
take too much From NOVEMBER nba. Basketball nobody's locked in defensively.
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Lebron james has not played this. Year he will not
reportedly go on The lakers five game road. Trip he's
got a sciatica issue that's a nerve in the lower
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back and also Where napoleon was exiled to. Sciatica so
my least favorite quality in men is high maintenance and.
Neediness And i'm not Saying lebron's doing, that but there are.
Those there's some supposition That lebron has his feeling, hurt
hurt because he hasn't been offered an, Extension SO i
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don't know if that's true or. NOT i Think lebron's
smart enough to know the torch has been passed IN
la and this has always Been The lakers have always
been a past the torch, organization right Like kareem To
magic To shack To kobe To, lebron and it's clearly been.
Passed not only an ownership from the bus family to
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The dodgers. Owners but now It's luca's, team and The
lakers don't Need lebron to sell, tickets just like they
didn't Need kareem to sell, tickets just like eventually they
found out they didn't Need shaq to sell. Tickets there's
always somebody IN la making a, debut and they're In Los.
Angeles the stars are almost all young and. Ascending You're,
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otani's and You're, yoshi's and you're Justin, herbert's and You're Puka,
nakuas and You're. Lucas they're all young and, ascending with
very few. EXCEPTIONS i also feel like the league has
a little bit Of lebron. FATIGUE i also feel Like
lebron was never In Los angeles nearly as popular As.
MAGIC i think he's like he's in The kareem popularity
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more than The kobe or The. Magic so you know
my takeaway and all, This lebron's gotta fall in line or.
Leave this is Not cleveland and it's not Even. Miami
so it's a, past the, past The Torch. City and
WHEN i look At lebron right, now are his feelings
getting hurt a little?
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Bit does he feel like he should.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Have been offered a contract extension BECAUSE la Welcomed, lebron
they didn't worship. Him, sorry in my in my, Lifetime
magic's the most Popular laker of all, Time kobe's the
second most Popular laker of all. Time there's an Argument
Jerry west was the third most Popular laker of all.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Time lebron's.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Not and and you got to remember For Rich paul And,
lebron and again maybe they maybe they aren't in their.
Fields But, lebron do you realize The lakers in his entire,
career this is the longest he's ever been in one
team for a concurrent, stretch The. Lakers so he's been
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an interloper and short signed one year deals for most
of his. Career so nobody's gonna lose any sleep if
they're a little less loyal To lebron Than lebron. Wants
he may understand all of, this he may get absolutely
all of. This but my take is on this is
you can feel. It lebron is going to have to
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play off. Ball it Is lucas. Team it IS Jj
reddick's vision for most Of lebron's. CAREER i always said,
This Kevin durant could play. Anywhere you can get him
the ball late in the.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Shot, clock he can hit.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Shots Steph curry And lebron become your offensive. Ecosystem Golden
state has. Discovered young guys don't work With Steph. Curry
it's just too. Hard it's just too, quick too, smart too.
Fast that's Why steph works with older players really really.
Well immediately WITH, kd always With, draymond quickly With Andrew.
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Bogan young guys he struggles. With And lebron he has
been the. Centerpiece he's very opposite OF. Kd he becomes
your offensive. Ecosystem and it's, over that is. Done you
cannot coach this organization going forward With lebron being a.
Centerpiece he's just an. Asset and there are nights That
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Austin reeves needs the ball and has a mismatch. Advantage
Charles barkley was On Jim Rome show and just talked
about Older lebron for all the, time always gonna.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
Win there's nothing you can do about, it you. KNOW
i joked on the show a couple of weeks ago
to head just Says, oka they could have just row.
Old it's the exact same. Thing all old people back.
Hurt you, know he's got to. ACCEPT i hope he
leaves sooner than. Later Obviously lebron's a better player than.
Me BUT i don't want to see great players just
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hang it.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
On that's, Right Charles barkley nailed. It you don't want
to see old guys just hanging. ON i don't have
a problem With lebron being, here but an extension.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
These new, OWNERS i don't.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
KNOW I in, FACT i would ARGUE i would take
An Austin reeves, extension and you know HOW i feel
about that over A lebron. Extension say what you want
About Austin, reeves but if you can keep him, Around,
lucas you're. One austin's your, three and then you go
find a two that feels like a championship level.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
TEAM J mack with the. News turn on the.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
News this is the herdline.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
News this is me biting my. Tongue all, right let's
get started with The Philadelphia, Eagles, colin come. On they
are coming off of bye and have a huge game
against The Packers monday. Night packers not in The herd,
hierarchy yet favored over the number One.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Eagles everybody Likes Green bay in this spot, right.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Everybody, does including. Me let's talk About Jalen, hurts though
he was interestingly tied for first in THE nfl with
six completions of forty yards and second of homes with
eleven completions of thirty plus air. Yards HERE'S o See
Kevin patullo talking About hurts beautiful deep ball.
Speaker 10 (20:23):
Accuracy he's unbelievable at, It like he does a tremendous
job of understanding where to place the, ball seeing the,
coverage knowing how to put in a spot to where
it's you, know our guy or, nobody and he really
works at, it.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
You know if you.
Speaker 10 (20:38):
WANT i, know you guys aren't out there the whole
time when you watch, practice and he works at it
in between periods during the, period like constantly's talking to the,
Guys here's where it's going to, Be here's What i'm
going to. Do SO i think it's those little extra.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Things, Yeah packers And eagles is really.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Interesting top top three game of the Weekend niners rams is.
Phenomenal but, Uh Jalen hurts deep ball. Accuracy so you,
know because he wasn't a first round pick because he's
not six' five and strapping because he had to transfer.
In college he doesn't get THE respect i think that,
he deserves and all he does every year is check
off another Box, of hey YOU say i can't, Do,
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this okay here We. Go colin he's one of the
best deep ball throwers in the league this. SEASON period
i know he may not throw the, best ball but the, numbers,
say man he's.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Hell out he. Adds things there are things throwing over
the middle he's not, great at but. He adds there's
certain virtues he has with, his strength, his mobility, his toughness.
His maturity i've said. This before philadelphia is a loud,
sports city and there is value in having an adult be.
Your Quarterback right you've got to be able to deal
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with talk radio and. The anger and they got their
security Guy IN sirian's i have said This about he
reminds Me of philadelphia's version Of dak is that you
have to Deal with jerry and An aggressive dallas me
and you're the centerpiece of. The league the Things that
jalen doesn't do have not hurt him much so far in.
HIS career i don't think he throws the ball over
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the Middle Like matt stafford Does or. Mahomes does but,
his strength his kind of dexterity as, an athlete and
his maturity are the INTANGIBLES that i think make him sort.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
OF dack, i MEAN if, i say if you're building
like a perfect quarterback and you're taking parts from all,
THESE quarterbacks i don't see Why Just jalen hurts wouldn't,
be like almost ideally the. Perfect quarterback he's got the.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Strong legs but the thing he is thrown for under
two hundred yards four times This year they've won all.
Four games so it's not a criticism to say he
Is Not. Josh allen he doesn't have that size or
skill set what he, does though he is a great
fit on, a physical power running team when he throws under.
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Two HUNDRED if i, told, You yeah mahomes throws for under,
Two hundred, You're, Like Oh kansas city's. In TROUBLE if
i Told, you philadelphia you'd be, Like perfect that's how they.
Should play so that's telling you what the. Talent disparity
he does have one Thing Over. Josh allen he has
a victory Over the chiefs in. The postseason allen has
not been able to pull. That off obviously The super.
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Bowl win, all right let's Move On.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Detroit, Lions colin i'm still smarting from that loss To,
the vikings one of the bigger surprises in. Recent weeks
they play a Beat up. Commander's TEAM but i don't
know if you've seen the, Injury report lions themselves. Walking
Wounded Here's jared Goff saying detroit will have a little
extra motivation after Last season's divisional round Loss.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
To washington that's definitely part.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Of.
Speaker 11 (23:36):
IT absolutely i think you know more. Than that we,
want to, you know get off of a losing streak
here and get A w and certainly you're you're thinking,
about THAT but i think, you know it's how many,
games ago nine games, Ago now so we're trying to
get a win this year and maybe use that as
a little loud of motivation if we.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Need it so three starters on the offensive line did not.
Practice yesterday their.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Tackle are both. Banged up That. Was wednesday.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
It's wednesday. It's early we'll see. What happens but the
line has. Come down this was eight and, a half
it's now seven and. A. Half, COMING yeah I know.
Washington Stinks dan campbell twelve to zero against the spread after.
A loss i Cannot take, washington here?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Can?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
You No the lions are one of my. FAVORITE plays
i hope the line keeps. Coming DOWN so i also
Think the lions lost a home game where they, Rarely
lose so.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
You're gonna get a great week.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Of, Practice meanwhile washington and all the trade, DEADLINE rumors
i think it's a is there a whiff of?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
QUIT here i don't know if, it's.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Quit but not all locker rooms are the Same, By
november like there's.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
A lot, i mean like right Now.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
The jets you know that that's hard to motivate a
team when the ownership and the front office doesn't appear
to care about.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
This SEASON so, i think you Know the Jade and.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Daniels Thing marcus mariota can, have stretches but it Feels
like detroit's the.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Play, Here yeah i'm kind of.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
With.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
YOU outdoors i need to check the weather and make
sure it's. Not sloppy but, then again why didn't ca't
stop the?
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Run anyway is?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Not good.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Final story let's go To Your.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Chicago bears coming off that win Over the bengals and
now Hosting The Giant number day creeping up a. Little
Bit caleb williams had a solid game Against. THE bengals, i,
mean hell. Everyone does caleb threw for two eighty and.
Three Touchdowns Here's ben johnson gassing up.
Speaker 12 (25:20):
His quarterback some weeks are better, than others which. We
knew but he's a lot better place now with his
process than he was to start. The season you know
that whole the week isn't necessarily smooth, sailing ALWAYS but
i think that's to be expected with year one in a.
New system so he's learning and he's spent a lot
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of time. At It so i'm very pleased with, his
APPROACH and i think we've got the right group of
guys around him to help. Support HIM so i think
we're going to continue to see him take off here
second half.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
The SEASON what i am hearing off the AIR when
i text people around, the league Everybody Loves. Ben, johnson
yeah everybody Thinks the bears got the next great. Young
coach there's still a lot. Of doubt despite LEADING the
nfl in big, plays offensively there are still a lot
of Doubts. With, caleb people OLD school, nfl guys older
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executives just don't think it looks as tight as it.
Should look in, MY take i Talked About. CAM newton
i think he's a there's a Lot Of. Cam Newton
cam newton's mechanics would drive. You crazy cam playing in
structure would drive. You crazy, cam's inconsistency he never had
back to back. Winning seasons but you Couldn't deny. Cam's
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talent you Can't deny. Caleb's TALENT and i actually think That,
win sunday. That throw, you know he had a couple
of PLAYS that i just. DON'T think i think ninety
percent of the league doesn't MAKE so i. Don't know
it's not gonna look like a lot of other. Guys
LOOK but i also think there's a confidence with. HIS
teammates i Really like, chicago's coaching, their PERSONNEL and i
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think Not that caleb along for. A ride but he's
not gonna play like a lot of. Guys playing you
just have to come to terms.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
With it it is only eight Games With. BEN johnson
i was just. Looking Up So cam newton pled basically
the same Head Coach ron rivera for like almost his
entire Tenure. In, Carolina yeah caleb year two new coach.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
KNEW everything i.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Mean so i'm giving him. Some time i'm. WITH you
i don't think he's, looked amazing but. Who cares they're
winning and it has a lot to do with the.
Run game, YOU know i got to say his, Name Eventually.
Kyle manongai he's a little, Banged Up, DeAndre swift. BANGED
Up dj moore. Miss practice adunze. Miss Practice so i'm a. Little,
Concerned again it's, Only, today THURSDAY but I think i
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Like the, bears.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
HERE Agree j mack with, The news well that's, the.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
News and thanks for stopping by the. Herd LINE so
i will. Say this.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
During the, trade deadline you Know, the jets it was
a flea market and they were. Selling everything dallas, comes
In the colts. Come in buffalo didn't, do anything AND,
Their Gm brandon, bean said, YOU know i went home
as mad as. Everybody else pump the brakes On. Criticizing
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buffalo if you look AT the afc, playoff standings just
take a look at the teams they could. Possibly play
they could Play The, indianapolis colts whose quarterback nobody really
believes in the number two Seed Is, new England Where
drake may has not played two. Complete seasons the number
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three Seed, is denver who appears to only play, one
way dominating the. Fourth quarter number Four Is, aaron rodgers
a forty one year. Old quarterback number Six Is, justin
herbert missing both offensive tackles the rest of. The way
number Seven's the jags, Nobody trusts so there's a real
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there's A real first, of ALL The afc championship over
the last six seven years has been played.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
At narrowhead that's.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Not happening so this, is easily at this point in,
a season the most favorable Route For. JOSH allen i
think their bigger issue Is That, keon coleman the, wide
receiver shocker and other wide receiver's. Really immature he's shown
up late he's not. Been dependable so you know it's
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year two. For him you hope, he matures but you
know their tight end group. Is excellent best Running back
josh has had o lines better. Than average josh is in.
HIS prime i don't think it's the end of the
world that they didn't make a. Big move just go
look AT the afc. Right now it's. Average quarterbacks it's
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quarterbacks you. Don't trust it's a lot. Of guys so,
you know a lot, of times the barrier to a championship,
isn't you it's. YOUR rival I Mean phil Mickelson Wasn't
phil mickelson? Worst enemy he had to Go through tiger in?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
His?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Prime right that Was Always utah jazz were good enough
to be a. Championship team It was Jordan. And PIPPIN
so i Look. At buffalo buffalo has lost close games
To The Kansas city Chiefs at arrowhead in. The postseason
they may. Lose again it's not going to Be. AN
arrowhead i mean There's no burrow. This year lamar right
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now is not a. Playoff quarterback so if you Were
a bills fan and everybody's freaking out they didn't make
a trade at the, trade deadline well.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Don't throw around. Bad money it's.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Right now if you looked at who's in, THE playoffs
i would Take the bills. To WIN and i didn't
say that. Last year WELL maybe i said it. LAST
year i didn't say it the. Year before look at who.
They're playing you Trust, the colts The, Young Patriots, Bo Nixon.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Denver Old aaron herbert with. No tackles who Trust the?
Jaguars EVER so i think.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
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Speaker 5 (31:20):
On fox trojan's about ready to go in a.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Roll Talk with klatt about. That yesterday you know they
got a shot at.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
The, playoff well they're Gonna beat Northwestern, in iowa but
then they have to Go.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
To eugene so Good luck indiana.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
One there why can't, you say.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Well IN, the us he's not as Good, As indiana.
That's why so you see this sometimes where a great
actor has. A role, You Know tom hanks does, the
terminal he makes a. Bad choice you see. Great Regress
marlon brando. Had bombs you see A Zagat michelin, star
restaurant a. Chef leaves, it's good but it's. Not special
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you see eight slowly sometimes kind of regress. Into good
you very rarely see hot dog on a stick becomes.
Zaggat rated you don't see, you know atrocious, become exceptional
like it just, doesn't happen especially. In Sports So sam
darnold was so Bad In. NEW york i, WAS like
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i don't know. WHAT happened i thought he was going
to be sort of a little Bit Of andrew luck
his last. Two years he is now with, all analytics
the best quarterback IN. The, NFL no, i mean and
they Just Added, rashi shaheed a. Deep threat so now
he's got a DEEP threat js and that Rookie From
colorado state the old.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Lines better he's literally.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Gone from unplayable to best guy in. The LEAGUE and i,
was saying if you just count quarterbacks that, have played,
you know every game, this year you Can't Count lamar
jackson In this what is the quarterback pyramid based just
on this year alone for? Quarterback play what does it?
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Look like and this is what it. Looks like sorry
for the. Radio audience we have A little collins quarterback.
Performance period donald's, Number one Allan. And stafford right, Below
him Drake May, Herbert, Baker, Mayfield, Mahomes, jones Prescott. And
golf now that's not necessarily that far. From, reality now
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if you're, Talking careers mahomes would be at. The top
but if you're, talking today This Second sam darnold is
the best quarterback IN. The nfl it. Is unbelievable you
just don't. See, that ever you, could, say well What.
About baker Baker in cleveland won a playoff game and
the year, he did his quarterback RATING was i think
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it was ninety six or. NINETY eight i think it was.
Ninety six sam's passer Rating In new york was not
even good for. A backup he had more turnovers. Than
touchdowns like forget the winning, wasn't productive it. Was awful
we know now that everybody's awful With, the jets but
what he is doing is.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Incredibly Rare So.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Bill belichick was on a podcast Yesterday and i've said
this multiple times on, the show the hottest quarterback in
the league Outside Of sam darnold Is Probably. Matt Stafford
and i've said before where you land IN the nfl matters.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
A Lot if stafford would have.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Landed In green Bay And, aaron rodgers who can, be
moody would have Landed, in detroit.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
We would Look at.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Stafford differently stafford was Better Than aaron rodgers in, high school,
in college and he's better now by a. Long shot
and he was better in the first three or four
years IN the Nfl, than Rogers but aaron had that
ten to eleven year Run In green bay because he
had a really. Good organization and it's going to be
fascinating to see What If matt stafford wins This Year's,
super bowl and RIGHT now i think that the best
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team or second best team IN the lea like. What
Happens bill belichick was on a recent podcast talking About This.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
MATT stafford.
Speaker 13 (35:08):
I don't want to put him in a Class, with
TOM but i mean it's Reminiscent, of brady where it
just keeps getting better and better. AND better i remember
when we practiced against him and played him several. Years ago,
gotten smarter he, understands more he knows how to, use
weapons maybe just a split. Second quicker he's a little
harder to fool and something you might have got him
with a couple of, years.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Ago you're not going to get him.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
With now what's really cruel about quarterback is by the
time you, master it you're usually like, thirty three, thirty four.
Thirty five That's when brady started saying things To Like,
jay Glazer like i've.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Seen everything you can't.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Fool me brady talked About A super Bowl Against, Patrick mahomes,
HE'S like i knew What the chiefs defense was going
to do better Than the chiefs defense knew what they
were going.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
To do and So but brady had a.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Great advantage he had the best offensive line coach, Probably Ever.
Dante Scarnecia so brady just didn't get hit for most of.
His Career so brady at four four had a thirty
four year. Old body that's not the Case, with stafford
who GOT the u know what beat out of him
for twelve Years. In detroit so he's thirty seven and
he looks thirty seven with a really.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Bad Back but i've asked the question.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Before if he Wins A super bowl, THIS year, i
mean he's already all time, completions, eighth, yards, ninth, passing,
touchdowns ninth game, winning drives fifth.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
And wins he's moving.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Up fast so there's just not many quarterbacks in the
history of the league that Have Two super bowls AND.
An Mvp, It's, Mahomes, Brady, Manning, Elway, montana Bradshaw And.
Bart starr so there's only one quarterback in this league
that can go from really really great. To historic this
is it quarterbacks With Two super bowl wins AND an
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mvp at.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Least one it's all.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
The, Legends, mahomes Peyton, Tom, elway Montana, Bradshaw Art star
stafford can get into. That group and so his last,
five games, sixteen touchdowns. No picks he is just on
an absolute heater. The question and he's. Done this what's
amazing is no. Training camp he learned on the fly
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With The. Vonte adams so what's? Really impressive, you know
an undrafted left tackle learned on the fly With De,
vante adams did not participate to any extent in preseason
and proving once Again what sean mcvagh has felt is
the exhibition season is a lot. Of nonsense it doesn't.
Really matter but YOU AND. I, j mack you've actually
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been on. This forever where you land IN the nfl
is about seventy five percent of your success as. A
quarterback i mean a great Example Is caleb williams with
that outfit, last year everybody bailed. On him this Year
the bears LEAD the nfl in, Big plays so the gap.
In coaching obviously mcveigh's better than Any anybody. Detroit had
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but here Here Was max Crosby the raiders recently Talking
about stafford as A potential mvp for.
Speaker 14 (38:08):
Some reason just because their team wasn't, The, best like
he didn't get that love until he went To, the
rams and.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Now people, were, Like see, i'm, like bro.
Speaker 14 (38:16):
He's been doing that for ten Years. In detroit it
would be dope To see STAFFORD WHEN, i mvp because people, were,
like well is He a Hall. Of famer, i'm like
he's been top five for. FIFTEEN years i don't give
up what. Anyone says can we have. THIS conversation i
don't give what. Anyone says oh that that's. ABSOLUTELY true,
i mean think.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
About this think how much Trust that sean McVay had
to have to not only trade Away A super bowl quarterback,
in golf but be willing to Pay for stafford and.
Golf Simultaneously so sean McVay knows more football than you.
Or me sean, mcvay's, Like yeah i'm gonna move. Off,
golf who by, the way he has been a top
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twelve quarterback for most of, His Career so i'll move.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Off him i'll.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Take An old stafford that's never a, playoff Game and
i'll pay for both that Is having there are certain
people in baseball's like this a lot where you go
ask baseball players who's, really good who's a bit of,
a fraud and they'll, be, like, oh no this guy's.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Actually great everybody.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Understands it you go ask pro football Players About, matt
stafford they're All Like. Matt trosby, they're, like bro that
guy's been a top five quarterback for.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Fifteen years he just Got. Crappy detroit so.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
It's and the great thing about him he is a film.
Room junkie his wife makes more news than. He does
he's never in. The news he's kind of a. Regular guy,
you know you'll see him golfing occasionally in town at
one of the. Country clubs but he really is, low key.
Very chill but he's the only quarterback in the league
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that can can join a very go from great to historic.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
This, YEAR yeah, I mean i would say he's certainly
IN the.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Mvp.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Discussion Now Getting devonte adams, Clearly, helps oh.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
No question a.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
MAJOR upgrade i Mean They cooper cup was like one
of their. Core guys he was bill. Loved out they
moved off in. Pretty, easily yeah what has he Done,
In seattle colin like next to nothing and.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
They, upgrade well he's there four Now. In, Seattle, yeah
yeah they had.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Young receivers, snyder said we'll bring an old veteran possession.
Guy In but, i'll Say If cooper cup's, youre four
that's not a.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Bad receiving but mcvay's done a great Job with sneed,
and company just constantly retooling.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
The team yeah, All Right, greg cosell it Is. A
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