Greg Cosell of NFL Films joins the show to break down the impressive development of quarterback Caleb Williams and how head coach Ben Johnson has transformed the Chicago Bears offense into one of the NFL’s most exciting units in the NFL.
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- JJ Redick’s impact on the Lakers’ early-season success
- How LeBron James’ absence is fueling LA’s growth
- Jerry Jones’ Cowboys trade deadline strategy
- Why the Cowboys are better without Micah Parsons
- Greg Cosell on Caleb Williams’ breakout with the Bears
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two. It is a Thursday,
got a big one tonight. Who do you like tonight?
J Matt load it up?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Fun Bo Nicks in the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
He's just waiting for them to screw up over under
on Gino Smith's getting benched tonight?
Speaker 6 (00:41):
Would you give it two quarters?
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Because An O'Connell was pre back practicing with the team.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And yet he can't move.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
He's a pocket quarterback if he plays Take Denver.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Gino Smith in primetime last year and this year zero
to five against the spread, one in.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Four straight up.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
The light's get right and Gino Smith's badly Well, what.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Is it with Pete Carroll and Gino Smith?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You know Brady didn't want Donald.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
There were reports that Brady didn't want Sam Darnold in
s in Vegas.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
You can ask Tom next time he's in.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It seems to me, Sammy's pretty good, you know. I'll
say this. The one thing where pro athletes their lives
are like our lives is that workplace matters. And for
Sauce Guarden, there's this general consensus that the Colts and
the Cowboys they just paid too much. They gave up
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too much to get Sauce Gardner and Quinin Williams. And
when I see Sauce Gardner and Quentin Williams, I see
excellent players who were in a bad work environment and
now these employees are going to go to very you know,
better situations. I mean, the Colts were missing a corner
there that's gonna be a division winning team, really talented
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guy in a bad workplace in New York to a
better workplace in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And Quinn Williams from a.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Bad workplace to a place he plays next to Kenny Clark.
So I look at it, and that's the one thing
pro athletes and our lives are very similar. You can
only do so much with a bad boss. Anybody that's
ever had a bad boss or curly has one, should
sympathize with Quinn Williams and Sauce Gardner. Nothing works in
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New York. It's just a bad place to work. You know,
I was looking this morning. Quinn Williams six and a
half years with the Jets. He got drafted by one GM,
he got paid by another, and he got traded by another.
Is that the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard? Well,
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the Jet's got a bunch of draft picks. So what
that's like giving your loser brother money? He doesn't have
any financial ability. I mean, seriously, giving the Jets draft
picks is giving somebody with no financial literacy a bunch
of money.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
So what they don't know what to do with it?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I mean, we all got that person in the family
that you know you don't want to be executor of
the will. Right. They're fun, they're party time. You know
their name's Doug. You know they're always got the funny
sweater on Christmas. You don't want to give them any money.
You don't want to lend them any cash. So I
don't care about draft picks. Who's the Jets coach, the GM,
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the quarterback? Who knows here's Quinn Williams. I'm becoming a
Dallas cowboy.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
I can't wait to get to work because I feel
like action, speed, louder the words, and this organization taking
a chance on me and training for me. Give me,
give me the honor to come in and help his
team win football games and do the best I can
do to to do my job.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I mean, I don't mean to sound harsh, but you
can give people with no financial literacy a bunch of
money they don't know what to do with it. You
can give the Jets draft picks they don't. I was
looking at all the teams that have had multiple first
round draft picks the last several years. There's a lot
of Raiders on that list. There's a lot of Carolina
on that list. Cleveland Jets, the Rams have two first
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round picks next year. My guess is they know what
they're doing. They'll move down. You know, they'll end up
getting a third and a fifth along with their two ones.
You know, it sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Greg
Cosel forty six years NFL Films is joining us live.
So you know, it's interesting. If you look at Patrick
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mahomes career, his kryptonite when they really really look bad,
it's not that the running games not available. He's won
Super Bowls with below average suboptimal receiving corps. Travis Kelcey's
had bad games, He's still won. He won Super Bowls
with mediocre defenses. When he's getting hit and does not
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trust his protection, that offense does not look So was
this just about scheme by Buffalo's defense or was it
Bosa and personnel? Why did they get to Mahomes for
three and a half hours.
Speaker 8 (05:10):
I think it's a combination, Colin, because what Sean McDermott did.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
And just so I say right up front, I'm not
a blueprint guy.
Speaker 8 (05:17):
I don't think Mahomes has had obviously great success in
this league and he's a great player.
Speaker 9 (05:22):
So it's not as if, oh, just.
Speaker 8 (05:23):
Do what the Bills did and everybody's going to stop
Patrick Mahomes. But in this particular game, what the Bills
did was they ran a lot of what we call
hybrid coverages, where there were zone parts of it, there
were man parts of it, and all you're trying to
do is you're trying to slow down the processing for
Patrick Mahomes, and that's when the pressure becomes a factor, and.
Speaker 9 (05:45):
He did not really get out of the pocket very much.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
They did a good job of maintaining him, keeping him
in the pocket. So in this given game, I thought
it was very schematic in what they did on the
back end with their hybrid looks, and therefore he couldn't
really get a sense of rhythm. And he's not purely
a rhythm player except when he's throwing the ball short.
So it just slowed everything down for him. And then
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he took way too many hits. I mean there was
one in particular on the sideline. I don't think I've
ever seen him hit like that.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, you know, Josh Allen came into this league with
so much horsepower, and now he's become so incredibly efficient.
And we always sort of baked it in Greg that
if you have a big arm, if you're big Ben,
if you're Cam Newton, we don't need you to be
Kirk Cousins. You go do your magic. We'll we'll give
you a little on the efficiency scale. Yet with Alan,
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I get both. He can give me a twenty two
for twenty five, and I get the horsepower. Why has
he become so efficient?
Speaker 8 (06:45):
Well, I'm sure a lot of it has to do
with him in the offseason. We know, I'm sure you know,
Jordan Palmer. He's worked with him for years, and I
think that's he's what would they call a rotational thrower.
So when you're a rotational thrower, I think you have
to really work on that as opposed to be a
linear thrower where everything is lined up exactly straight. When
you're rotational, you can throw the ball from different angles,
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different ways, and I think you have to really become
good at that. So now I think they also understood
and this is where I think Joe Brady did a
very good job when he became the coordinator. Is I
think schematically they've tried to rain him into a certain
degree to allow him to play with a much more
defined sense of timing and rhythm rather than just, Hey,
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you know, you hear so many people say things about
certain quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (07:31):
Well, let this guy be this guy, Let Josh be Josh.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
That's all well and good, but at some point you've
got to play the game within structure. And you can
argue that the Bills offensively, and they do score a
lot of points, Colin that offensively. They're one of the
most structured teams in the NFL. With the combination of
their run game and their pass game and their past
game at times. Actually sometimes I feel like there could
be more to it. But if you're going to score
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thirty points a game, I guess that's a tough argument
to make.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Green Bay's the youngest team in the league, Seattle's offense,
Seattle's second, so donald when he leaves Minnesota, there were
a lot of people that thought, Okay, it's gonna come down,
He's not going to look like that. Well, right now,
analytics tells you he's as good as any quarterback in
the league. Are you surprised that how successful he's been
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in Seattle? We didn't even know if JSN was a
number one receiver, Like, are you surprised by what you're seeing?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (08:29):
Yes and no.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
By the way, JSN eighty percent of his routes this year,
of his snaps have been as an outside receiver. And
if you recall, a lot of people said when they
signed Cooper Cup, what.
Speaker 9 (08:40):
Are they doing they have two slot receivers.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
Well, they obviously knew JSN could line up outside, which
he's done, as I said, on eighty percent of his snaps.
But I'm not surprised with Darnald for this reason. He's
really gifted, as you know, you know, Donald. Well, but
he's a certain kind of player. You know, he's not
necessarily a sit back in the pocket, read it, scan its,
see it all. So what Clint Kubiak, And Clint Kubiak
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is the one who wanted him.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
He sort of comes a bit from that Shanahan.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
Kubiak tree of play action, play action boot define the
reds in the throws, push it down the field, off
the run action looks, and that's where Donald is really
really good. And he does throw the ball very well
on the run. So it's a classic case of matching
what a quarterback does really well, because he does have
some things he doesn't do well, of matching what he
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does really well with the scheme and you see how successful.
There's a perfect example on that play action boot work
perfectly that got the long touchdown to Cody White.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
By the way, Rashid Sahed is a burner. Oh how
does that happen? I mean that feels like to me
that plays into Donald. What do you project there?
Speaker 9 (09:50):
Yes, Well, first of all, there's very few.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
Guys in the league column that have what I call
terrifying speed, and he's one of them. Yeah, and now
they're a team that plays a lot two tight ends
twelve personnel, as we call it, two tight ends. So
what happens a lot when you play that way is
you get a defense that sees the formation, the personnel,
the formations, and they think run. So they play a
lot with a single high safety. So now you're going
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to get an opportunity to really work the intermediate and
vertical route concepts, off shot plays, off run action, and
you have to account for Shaheed and now on the
other side you're going to have JSN. This is a
real that trade. To me, maybe it was overlooked by
some people because Shaheed's not a star in the way
we think of stars, but that may have been one
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of the most impactful trades that were made on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
So JJ McCarthy and we see this. We saw it
with Caleb early in the year, very good on script
and then the last three quarters not good at all.
I said, when I watch him play with Minnesota, I
see a lot of Michigan, JJ McCarthy, were Michigan. I
love the coach Harbor, I love some of the weapons,
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Justin Jefferson or Coleston Lovelin, and I love the defense.
And I thought the defense against Detroit was sensational, and
he makes about one to two big throws a game.
JJ McCarthy. Overall, I don't see him somebody carrying a franchise.
But you know again, I liked Michigan's supporting cast. I
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liked Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, the left tackle,
Brian Flores.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
What did the film say on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
Yeah, McCarthy to me has something that in some ways
it reminds me of Alex Smith and the what I'm
about to say, and this concerns me.
Speaker 9 (11:42):
As he develops. He's what we call colin.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
I'm gonna give you a little tutorial here on quarterback mechanics.
He's what we call a locked front leg thrower. So
when he steps in, he locks his front leg. So
what happens when you lock your front leg. It's like
running into a wall. You can't really for your weight,
you don't get any core talk torque. So if you
watch him throw, you'll notice that it looks like he's
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working hard to throw the ball. Now, I don't think
his arm just as an arm is bad, but it
limits your ability to drive the football because you can't
really bring your core into your throw, and there's been
quarterbacks throughout the years like that. Alex Smith, as I said,
is a great example. And based on what you said,
you might think he's very much liking Alex Smith and
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the way he's going to have to play. And by
the way, Alex Smith on teams he was on won
a lot of football games, so you can win. But
I think it'll be interesting to see how his career progresses.
Speaker 9 (12:40):
But you're right.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
And by the way, Brian Flores did an unbelievable job
in that game against the Lions. And you know what
stood out watching that tape, the pressure in the A gap.
And you know why the pressure in the A gap
was so important, because you know what that did. It
made Jamire Gibbs have to stay in to pass protect
and that may not seem like a big deal when
you're the game, but therefore he's not getting out in
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space and killing them as a receiver. I don't know
how many times I didn't count it. I don't know
how many times Jamier Gibbs had to pass protect because
of a gap pressure. It had to be definitely more
than ten, and that really handicapped the Lions pass game.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So I just went on a rant about the Jets.
And when a workplace environment's lousy, and then you go
to a good work environment, the same employee can be
a different employee. Sauce Gardener with Robert Sala was excellent
in the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
He's bad.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Well, he didn't get he didn't lose length, speed, he
didn't lose intelligence, he didn't lose any of those qualities.
It's just a bad work environment, Sauce Gardener. The Colts
Chris Balder told me years ago we're texting. He said,
there's a cornerback shortage in the league. He goes, everybody
can find a third or a fourth grade receiver. Nobody
can find a second good corner. It's harder. They're not
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out there. I like to move by the Colts. What
do you make of it?
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Yeah, And that's why I think it's hard to look
at what Gardner's done the last year, year and a
half because there are not many guys at six three,
two hundred and ten pounds that move like he does.
You know, there's not a ton of those guys. So again,
we're not in New York, you know, we don't know
the environment. But obviously it has to wear on you
after a certain amount a certain amount of time, but
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you know he'll obviously step right in and start and play.
I guess they play overseas this weekend. But the Cults
are a team that plays a lot of different coverage schemes,
so it's not as if foundationally they do one thing.
And I think he's got the ability to pretty much
play any coverage scheme that you want him to play.
Speaker 9 (14:41):
They actually have a very good defense, Colin.
Speaker 8 (14:43):
I mean, everybody's been talking for the most part about
Daniel Jones and Taylor and the offense, and deservedly so.
And by the way, I didn't think Daniel Jones was
as bad as maybe a lot of people fought this
past week. But just talking about their defense, they've got
a lot of good players at all three levels of
their defense.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
This is this is going to be a really interesting
team to watch.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I want to talk, if I if I could, about
Dak in Arizona on Monday night. Forget Arizona. Jacoby Brissett's
a pro. He you know, the Dallas defense isn't good.
When Dak struggles like that, Is it pressure? Is it coaching?
I didn't think it was a good night for Dallas'
coaching staff, and by the way, great coaches have bad nights.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
What did you make of Dallas's offense?
Speaker 8 (15:28):
Yeah, I thought it was It was a tough watch
watching their offense. And you know, Dak, We've talked about
this over the years. You know, Dak is a good player,
no question, but at this point in his career, he
doesn't have the same movement that he once had. He's essentially,
at his core now a pocket player. So he's a
ball distributor. He's an executor of an offense. It needs
to be in rhythm, it needs to be in timing.
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If it's not clear to him, for whatever reason, the
defense takes it away, he feels a little pressure, then
he's not going to play quite as well. It's just
the way it is. But there are some games where
he's really very, very good. He certainly is a veteran
who sees things. But every once in a while, you know,
I remember years ago Ryan Jaworski telling me that there's
two games a year.
Speaker 9 (16:08):
Where you just don't see it the right way.
Speaker 8 (16:10):
And I got that impression watching the tape of him
on the other night.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
It just it just didn't seem comfortable.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
He didn't seem like a comfortable player, and that can happen.
And by the way, Arizona does have a defense that
does a lot of things that can make it.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Difficult for quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, all right, there's two games this weekend getting a
lot of attention. One of them Philadelphia at green Bay. Yes,
so you gotta be careful. Green Bay has lost to
Cleveland Carolina, but they can play with the best teams
in the league. Does green Bay match up with Phillies personnel?
Speaker 9 (16:46):
You mean overall like the Ruses.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean, when you look at what you've seen on
film from Green Bay. Here's what I've said about green Bay,
greg They're a team with talent, but I don't know
what they are.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
What is your identity?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I think what they want to run and they're not
terribly effective at it.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
They haven't been this year.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
And Matt Lafleur always wants to run because he comes
from the Shanahan School, so he definitely wants the run
game to be a strong foundation. Last week was an
odd game for them, Colin They had eight possessions, they
never punted, and they scored thirteen points. That's a very
odd game. Now, they had a fumble in the red zone.
But the run game this year has not been what
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it's been the last couple of years with Jacobs, and
it's hard to know why, but it just hasn't been
the same.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
And I look, I think Love is a really good player.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
He had a really reckless interception last week, which he
doesn't do very much, but it was a very odd game.
If you look at Love's game on tape and then
his numbers, they were fine. It wasn't as if he
had a bad game. That's the interception that was just
reckless and undisciplined.
Speaker 9 (17:51):
But you know, they're starting to lose receivers.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
We have always said, boy, they've got a ton of receivers,
but now they're starting to lose receivers to injury.
Speaker 9 (17:59):
Tucker Craft is out for the season.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
I'm really anxious to see from your old Nick of
the Woods in the Pacific Northwest Musgrave because when Musgrave
came out, he was hurt his last year at Oregon,
but he was considered a really big time prospect. I
did his tape. He's faster than Kraft.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
You know.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Now, I'm not saying he's as good, not as good.
We don't know that because he wasn't used as their
number one tight end. He will be now, but he's
got a lot of juice to him, so I'm very
curious to see how that fits into their offense.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Also, another game the Rams and the Niners. Now, the
Niners are plagued with injuries. Kind I've always been I'm
fascinated when you can go get a Puka who I
watched at Washington and VYU and then he goes to
Veigh And from the very first training camp, Stafford was
telling people this kid, this Puka kid is unbelievable. He's
not the fastest guy. I do think he's physically strong.
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When you watch this Rams offense, how crucial is Puka
now Over in London, he didn't play and they used
four tight ends and Davonte now is a growing relationship
with Stafford. Stafford had no camp. How important is Pooka
in this offense? And why does he succel to the
level he does well.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
There's a couple of things going on here.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
First of all, the last two games they've played, they've
played a lot with three tight ends on the field,
which is crazy. Last week they had thirty five snaps
with three tight ends on the field. But I think
McVeigh understands exactly what Puka Nakoup is. He's not what
we call a true boundary X where he lines up
as the isolated or single receiver to one side of
the field and you let him just win one on one.
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He's not that guy. In fact, only two of his
one hundred and ninety eight routes this year have been
where he's been an isolated receiver. That's why they went
out and got Devonte Adams because he is that guy.
That's how they use him. But McVeigh understands what Nikoo is.
They use him as a movement guy. They use him
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as part of two and three route combinations. They get
him off the line cleanly. He runs a lot of
inbreaking routes and that's what he's so good, because he's
so physically strong, and he's a great player within the
context of how he's used and what Sean McVay understands
his strengths to be. I'm not sure no matter what
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his numbers are, Colin and I would think you would agree.
I'm not sure anybody would say, just as a physical
talent that you're going to put him in the Justin
Jefferson or Jamar Chase category. But he's a great player
within the context of that offense.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, fit matters in life and in sports. Let's let's
do some Caleb Williams. We'll end our segment on a
Thursday here in the Herd. First of all, what did
the tape say. Let's just simplify here. What did the
tape say with Canam against the Bengals?
Speaker 8 (20:44):
I thought, and again, we know the Bengals are a
bad defense, but that's not what I'm looking at. I
thought this was a game maybe the first one this year,
or I thought the combination of looking at what Ben
Johnson did offensively, and I said to myself, Oh, this
is a Ben Johnson offense. This is what we want
to see from Ben Johnson. This reminded me of the
Lions offense, seeing the same concepts, and it was a
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game where I thought that Caleb really started to get
a feel for those concepts. Now's there still throws where
he's a beat late. There's still times where there's just
a little too much for neticism in the pocket and
he gets out of there and it just looks random.
That's what he has to continue to develop. But I
got to tell you, Colin, and you know this. I
mean this kid, particularly on the move, he's got a
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power hose net.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
I mean he throws.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
He throws as pretty a ball as you'll see in
the league. But there's still work to do. But it
just started. There were some plays in this game where
I just felt like, oh, yeah, this is the way
Ben Johnson wants it to look. And I'm actually going
to show one of those. And it's funny. I actually
watched the Lions offense after I watched Caleb Williams this week,
and I saw the same play.
Speaker 9 (21:51):
So we're going to go to this play. This was
a thirty nine yarder.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
To Loveland, Okay, and this was in the second half,
And this is Ben Johnson, a classic Ben jons and play.
You're going to see Williams under center here. And what
they have here is six ozero line personnel. And this
is something that the Lions did. It's something that Ben
Johnson likes to do. And there's a tight end now
up top and it's closed to the boundary, so it
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means there's no one why to the boundary side of
the field.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
It's closed to the boundary.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
So what you're going to get is a dounesay in
Loveland stacked to the wide side of the field. So
this personnel this formation, it says to the defense here
it's a run look. So it's single high. So now
you're going to see what the route concept is. It's dagger.
This is a Ben Johnson special. It's an inside vertical
by a Dounsay and a dig route by Loveland. So
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what you end up with is you're going to get
essentially a two on two kind of matchup because you're
going to get the corner playing Loveland and obviously you've
got the safety in the deep middle. Now then you
run play action under center. That's something else that's very
representative of Ben Johnson. So you get the play action
under center, which they're doing more and more of now
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and that's critical. So you get that. Now what happens
you get a doneze. He's going to get the safety
out of there. So now what's going to happen because
you only have the single high safety, is the whole
middle of the field becomes open and you get Loveland.
And by the way, Loveland can beat corners and that's
why he's running this route. So Loveland now works into
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a void in the middle of the field. There's no
one there. And look at this throw. I mean, this
is just one of those where this is a beautifully
thrown ball to Loveland. It's thirty one yards. You see
it really well from this angle. I mean, the ball
comes out of Caleb Williams hands beautifully. He just needs
to be a little more consistently precise with his ball location,
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and he just needs to become a little quicker with
how he sees things and how he delivers the football.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
But there's a lot of talent there.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Greg Cosel on a Thursday as alas great stuff.
Speaker 9 (23:56):
Appreciate it, Thanks, Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
The I know you were all worked up on all
the gifts that the Jets got, but even you would
have to acknowledge is if you look at this league
of teams that have had two first round picks, it's
a lot of Raiders, it's a lot of Panthers, it's
a lot of Cleveland. And that's my take is it's
like giving somebody with no financial literacy a small power
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ball win, they'll screw it up. I mean, I knew
the Jets were broken when they fired Sola as he
was going to Buffalo with a chance to be tied
for first. Then Sala was the best coach on the staff.
And it's like, guys, you got to identify. You have
to self scout. You have to identify in any business,
who are the best employees, who are the weak spots.
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Sla is your best coach and you let him go.
And to me at that, since that point on, I've
looked at the Jets. It's like they just can't get
out of their own way. They can't even identify their
own best employees.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
That was a flub for sure. But listen, the Jets
have crushed the draft before. I mean a few years ago.
Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Breese Hall like, they had an
awesome draft.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
He didn't have a quarterback. Aaron Rodgers let them down.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
He got hurt.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Well, I don't know what you could do about that.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
So just because you've failed in the past a different regime,
I don't see why you shouldn't be taking more shots
in the future.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Come on, what was it? What's a Michael Jordan quote?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
I missed more shots that I missed more game winning
shots than I took made or something like that.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I don't think that's it.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Oh, you know, I'm close.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
I'm in the ballpark. Bottom line, you got to keep shooting,
keep firing. Don't give up just because you've failed draft
picks in the past. Come on, I've got six months
to identify a quarterback. Less than that'll probably like five
to identify a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
If you will, think or Old and Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
You could go to Giants route, take a defensive player
in the top three and take your quarterback at the end.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Of the first round if you don't think there's one there.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I think Mendoz that Indiana is gonna win it up
to them. Well, no, everybody, now again, you don't know.
You have to watch everybody. I think what's happening is
Dante more people like he may go back to Oregon.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Mendoz is the play.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
It's Mendozo or Simpson right now, we'll see love.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I think Mendoza is a bigger, stronger athlete smart.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Have you checked his LinkedIn page recently? No, he cip
dates that he's a genius.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, the kid's really smart. We're in La. It's the hurd.
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Speaker 3 (26:57):
Of the many societal issues that pressing, what I like
to drink is not near the top. But I was
thinking about this. Two days ago I had a cappuccino.
And forever I was a coffee guy, and I refuse
to go to these coffee places because they're so outrageously expensive.
Then I became a Cafe Americano guy. Rick Buker said
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you should try an Americano like two years ago. I did,
loved it, and somebody else the other day I said,
you should get a cappuccino. This point forward, I think
I've changed. I think it's cappuccinos are nothing. They're delicious.
I even did it with almond milk. It's just terrific.
So going forward, if you want to buy me something
and just be and be nice to me, and you
could just offer to buy me a cappuccino and I'd
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like you more for that.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Jmack with a news.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I was trying to think of something witty that you
could buy me, buy you cappuccinos. All right, let's get
started with the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Colin. They seem back right. They won back to back games.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Are had four hundred sorry four touchdowns and two hundred
thirty eight yards passing. However, only five rushing attempts. He
didn't look one hundred percent. He did address those rumors
about the hamstring, saying he's being cautious. The speculations of
what I'm saying are totally different. I feel good. I
feel like I did what I needed to do to win.
(28:20):
Ravens four and a half at Minnesota. Really interesting game here.
Nothing would surprise me if the Vikings won this. But
you know Lamar against the NFC, He's faced Brian Flores twice.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
I don't know, if you remember the Miami game against Balton.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
No, this is one of my favorite plays of the weekend.
Is the Ravens a minus four and a half. Again,
this game is urgent. If I go into a game
and I have to win it, and I go into
a game with the superior quarterback, who now is finally healthy,
I get probably the better roster.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Well, the Ravens defense is not great yet.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, but JJ McCarthy can't do anything. He can't.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
He just wanted to Detroit and beat the Lions.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Would I think you made the key pass on third
down and whatever to keep to end the game basically
backed shoulder throat a Jalen Naylor.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
I mean that was impressive.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Why do you why do you always like these quarterbacks
who are a little small, who don't quite have the arm.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
He's saying, what do you?
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Let's just move on. I know you're a little combative
with this cold you've got. Let's move on to the
New England Patriots.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
H They were expected to be buyers at the trade
deadline at a given that they're seven and two.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
They got a young team.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
But New England stood pat and Mike Rabel was asked
about it he's got an amazing quote.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Here we go.
Speaker 11 (29:37):
Deals are like being pregnant.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
You either are or you are.
Speaker 11 (29:41):
There's no like. It's either a deal or it's not.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
So I don't know how close you can be.
Speaker 11 (29:46):
I know that everyone worked hard and that we investigated
and looked in and made phone calls and they what
personnel departments do, and in the end, you know, we
decided that this was what we were going to do.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I like them not moving. I think they're way ahead
of schedule, honestly.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Like the cold quarterback on the rookie deal, though, could
you have pushed? I mean, the Colts are freaking all out.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
For the record, most trade deadline deals don't pan out.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
They don't most don't.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
That's why the smart gms usually go small C plus
B minus player.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
The Colts went all in.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Now, I think the Colts look at it as we're
really good in every unit. We got to have a
number one corner, and I do there is something to
be said, like Chris Ballard looks at it and thinks, Okay,
this Daniel Jones magic carpet ride.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Does it last forever?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Or does he have confidence we have the right protection,
we have the right young pieces, So I kind of
I like Ballard saying we're going for it, We're going
to take a big swing here and again, I think
Sauce Gardner is a really good player. But I think
New England. You look at them, I think they're way
ahead of schedule.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Who's more likely to end up in the AFC Championship?
Patriots are cold because the Colts went all in. The
Patriots Patriots interesting.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Because I think they have a better course.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
So why wouldn't you go all in if you well
really think they're that close?
Speaker 5 (31:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
My take is they spent a fortune on free agency.
They spent, like I'm sure I'm wrong on this, two
hundred and ninety million dollars in free agency, So they're
probably looking at it thinking, listen, we spent our, we
took our big shot in the off season. We'll do
something if the valuation works, but we're not going to
go big. Listen, when Christian Gonzalez plays at corner, then
(31:40):
I'll lose. I think they're six and oh, So I
I don't think I think the Colts have more elite
players than New England, but I think New England's way
ahead of schedule, A year ahead of schedule.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Anything on Patriots Bucks. I know you love the Patriots.
We all the Bucks are still all beat up. No,
I mean it's amazing. Nobody's practiced. Will not back Godwin
not back. We know Evans is coach, but they're off
a bye. Yes, teams off of bye this year were
really good numbers tomorrow. But it sounds like maybe your
leaning Bucks here.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yep, I think under a field goal, yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Finally to the NBA Colin you know, the Dallas Mavericks,
your pick to go to.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Do Oh my gosh, NBA Finals.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
So Cooper Flag did not start at point guard last night,
and they decide we're going to change things up. We're
not going to do well. Also, Clay Thompson now coming
off the bench. Klay Thompson really on the struggle bus
this season. So they started me Angelo, I'm sorry, di
Angelo Russell. The MAVs lost to the hapless, winless Pelicans.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Here's a Mason kitt Okay, Jason kid.
Speaker 12 (32:43):
Just looking at when we have a point guard on
the floors. It's been all right, And so talk to
Clay as this is an apertmanent thing, but can you
come off the bench. And he was good. He was
good with it, and so I thought it came coming
off the bench, gave us a spark. That first group was,
for whatever reason, a little tight. You know, everybody's trying
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to play perfect.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You know, A Cooper's given you about fifteen a night.
He's good.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
He had one really bad game against OKC. Okay, take
that game out, and he's closer to eighteen a night.
He's been really good. He had like this is always
the case with young players. They have stinkers, they get
into foul trouble, they just it's a bad matchup. If
you take one OKC game out, he's given you eighteen
to night.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
He's been a good player.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
We forget Luca elevated everybody on that roster when he
was there. Everyone there's nobody to do that now, and
Kyrie Irving ain't doing that when he comes back, if
he comes back.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
I don't think this is the playoff team going in
the in the West. I don't.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Can we look at that Western?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I mean the West is so low, Allison, have you
seen you Golden State's losing two Well, they.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Didn't have anybody last night. They blew it against the Kings.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I think Russell Westbrook talking all kinds of junk after
the game.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
NBA's fun. Man, there's just a lot of games you
can't get to it.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
What was Wemby like in person? I was even super impressed.
Now he got in foul trouble. So the new book
on Wemby, here we go with in the Western Conference.
You do not see the maps in there because.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
They're nowhere near Lasuer for a fun watch.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
They beat the Thunder last night, Ice win so real
quick on Wemby. What they're doing now is they're switching everything.
They're not keeping a big guy on him, so like
Marcus smarts on him, Jake Laurravia, and when he gets
it outside the paint, instant double team and he's forced
to give it up. I mean, he's not getting by
two guys instead Wiry. But the Suns did that this
week beat him, and now the Lakers did it. I
think Webby's going to see a lot of that. So
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how he combats the double teams, we'll see him. He's
de Aaron Fox back by the way, really misses him.
He's a good point guard man. Yea is j Mack
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Speaker 4 (34:46):
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Speaker 3 (35:20):
It's interesting, you know, everybody. I always love the public.
Don't listen to the media when it comes to politics.
The Blue Team's raising funds at a great rate right now.
The Blue Team had a great early week. This idea
that one political party is going to run this country
for any extended period is complete nonsense. The public doesn't
like extreme the public can feel the economy doesn't feel
(35:44):
quite right, and the Blue Team has a big night shocker.
It continues to happen. Trust your gut. I always trust
the people. I don't trust the people talking about politics.
I trust the people voting on the politics. So I'm
when Ben Jonson got hired people may forget this. Ben
Johnson was offered another job. He was offered a job
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and mid flight decided to turn the plane around.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
I'm not going to take the job.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
And a lot of us, myself included, were like, are
you gonna go back to Detroit? Can you top what
you're doing in Detroit. So Ben Johnson eventually takes a
job in Chicago, and he took it for a large degree,
not because they were particularly well run, but he knew
the division and Caleb Williams was super talented, and he
thought to himself, well, I've got all this production with
Jared Goff. This kid in Chicago, he's got more talent
(36:34):
than Jared Goff. And so when he was with the Lions,
Ben Johnson's offense was third in big plays with Jared Goff.
Now it's number one in the league in big plays.
And Greg Cosell came on forty minutes ago to talk
about Ben Johnson's impact with this Bears offense.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
I thought this was a game, maybe the first one
this year, or thought the combination of looking at what
Ben Johnson did offensively, and I said to myself, Oh,
this is a Ben Johnson offense.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
This is what we want to see from Ben Johnson.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
There's still times where there's just a little too much
for neticism in the pocket and he gets out of
there and it just looks random.
Speaker 9 (37:16):
That's what he has to continue to develop.
Speaker 8 (37:18):
But I got to tell you, Colin, and you know this,
I mean this kid, particularly on the move, he's got
a power hose.
Speaker 9 (37:25):
Now.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Also, the Bears are second in the NFL in rushing.
I think Buffalo's first. So there we always think there's
a gap in quarterback play, but you know, there's a
big gap in coaching in this league. There's a big
gap in coordinators, in owners, in general managers, and I
everybody that I've talked to, texted in the league, they
(37:48):
all think Ben Johnson is next level Kevin O'Connell, McVeigh,
Shanahan level, just a next level coordinator and it takes time.
But when you watch the Bears play, they've just they
got a lot of they got a lot of jet fuel,
They've got a lot the ability to make big plays
at any part on the field. And it's again, he
(38:11):
was the hot commodity in coaching and he is delivered
on it. Usually you get seven openings a year in
the NFL, there's always one guy that gets a job
and you kind of know it's gonna work. Like either
it's a good organization, like Mike Vrabel this year was
obviously gonna work. Jim Harbaugh last year of the Chargers
(38:33):
was obviously gonna work. Sean Payton two years to go
to Denver. Yeah, that was a no brainer. They had
dead cap hell with Russell Wilson's contract, coaches mattered. You've
got to pay ten million plus. So there's a lot
of things you can go cheap on in business or
in life. You can't on the coach. It's amazing to me.
(38:55):
I'm trying to think of the best coach available right now.
That's why I keep saying, keep your eye on Lane.
If I was the New York Jets of the New
York Giants, I would consider Lane Kiffin. Jackson Dart loved
him at Ole Miss reunite those two. It feels like
Lane Kiffin who coached in the NFL. But it was
an older Al Davis, highly flammable, highly dysfunctional. Al Davis
(39:19):
loved JaMarcus Russell. Lane Kiffin warn him it's not gonna
work in the NFL, and it didn't. Lane was right,
So Lane's grown. I'm not sure if there is a
great candidate. Some have suggested Bill Belichick from from Carolina,
but I do think this isn't a shot at Bill.
I think Bill's best days are over. I don't think
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he has the energy and I think he you know,
Bill is a little like Jerry Jones right now, Bill
Belichick is that they're they're only willing to do there
are stipulations to their performance. Belichick only wants to coach
certain players. You can't have stipulations. You just have to
get the best players. Jerry Jones, I'll hire a coach,
(40:03):
but I want control. Well you're not going to get
control with Jim Harbaugh or Sean Payton. So the best,
the best coach is right now. That the best candidates
to me Mike McCarthy, who's a good B plus candidate,
Jesse minterter defensive coordinator who's got kind of a Mike
McDonald Seahawks feel.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
And Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
So one's a great college coach, one's won a Super Bowl,
and one's a coordinator. But with the Jets, you've done
the coordinator multiple times. It's not working. If I was
the Jets, I would go get Mike McCarthy. I would
go get a proven B plus coach, give him Mendoza
out of Indiana and use those picks.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I think the.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Jets have to go head coach. You know the other
openings in the league. I wouldn't have a problem with
Jesse Minter. So I'm not saying coordinators can't work. But
in the Jets case, it's time to go spend some money.
Spend tillion ten million bucks and get a get a pro.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Whuldn't you are argue that Glenn who was in Detroit
with Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell struggled when he was hired
by Detroit. Remember they started like one in seven that
one year before turning it around. You got to give
Glenn a little more time.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
How many coaches have the.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Jets had in the last like six years, can't keep
cycling through. You got to give him another year at least.
You see nothing.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
They fought hard.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
He's not good handling the media, he's not good situationally.
I don't see a lot I like, I mean, offensively,
just doesn't feel like he's got any say any and
that's something to consider. I like a head coach. I
like Mike McCarthy with the Jets,
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two. It is a Thursday,
got a big one tonight. Who do you like tonight?
J Matt load it up?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Fun Bo Nicks in the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
He's just waiting for them to screw up over under
on Gino Smith's getting benched tonight?
Speaker 6 (00:41):
Would you give it two quarters?
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Because An O'Connell was pre back practicing with the team.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And yet he can't move.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
He's a pocket quarterback if he plays Take Denver.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Gino Smith in primetime last year and this year zero
to five against the spread, one in.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Four straight up.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
The light's get right and Gino Smith's badly Well, what.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Is it with Pete Carroll and Gino Smith?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You know Brady didn't want Donald.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
There were reports that Brady didn't want Sam Darnold in
s in Vegas.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
You can ask Tom next time he's in.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It seems to me, Sammy's pretty good, you know. I'll
say this. The one thing where pro athletes their lives
are like our lives is that workplace matters. And for
Sauce Guarden, there's this general consensus that the Colts and
the Cowboys they just paid too much. They gave up
(01:34):
too much to get Sauce Gardner and Quinin Williams. And
when I see Sauce Gardner and Quentin Williams, I see
excellent players who were in a bad work environment and
now these employees are going to go to very you know,
better situations. I mean, the Colts were missing a corner
there that's gonna be a division winning team, really talented
(01:58):
guy in a bad workplace in New York to a
better workplace in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And Quinn Williams from a.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Bad workplace to a place he plays next to Kenny Clark.
So I look at it, and that's the one thing
pro athletes and our lives are very similar. You can
only do so much with a bad boss. Anybody that's
ever had a bad boss or curly has one, should
sympathize with Quinn Williams and Sauce Gardner. Nothing works in
(02:25):
New York. It's just a bad place to work. You know,
I was looking this morning. Quinn Williams six and a
half years with the Jets. He got drafted by one GM,
he got paid by another, and he got traded by another.
Is that the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard? Well,
(02:46):
the Jet's got a bunch of draft picks. So what
that's like giving your loser brother money? He doesn't have
any financial ability. I mean, seriously, giving the Jets draft
picks is giving somebody with no financial literacy a bunch
of money.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
So what they don't know what to do with it?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I mean, we all got that person in the family
that you know you don't want to be executor of
the will. Right. They're fun, they're party time. You know
their name's Doug. You know they're always got the funny
sweater on Christmas. You don't want to give them any money.
You don't want to lend them any cash. So I
don't care about draft picks. Who's the Jets coach, the GM,
(03:25):
the quarterback? Who knows here's Quinn Williams. I'm becoming a
Dallas cowboy.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
I can't wait to get to work because I feel
like action, speed, louder the words, and this organization taking
a chance on me and training for me. Give me,
give me the honor to come in and help his
team win football games and do the best I can
do to to do my job.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I mean, I don't mean to sound harsh, but you
can give people with no financial literacy a bunch of
money they don't know what to do with it. You
can give the Jets draft picks they don't. I was
looking at all the teams that have had multiple first
round draft picks the last several years. There's a lot
of Raiders on that list. There's a lot of Carolina
on that list. Cleveland Jets, the Rams have two first
(04:14):
round picks next year. My guess is they know what
they're doing. They'll move down. You know, they'll end up
getting a third and a fifth along with their two ones.
You know, it sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Greg
Cosel forty six years NFL Films is joining us live.
So you know, it's interesting. If you look at Patrick
(04:35):
mahomes career, his kryptonite when they really really look bad,
it's not that the running games not available. He's won
Super Bowls with below average suboptimal receiving corps. Travis Kelcey's
had bad games, He's still won. He won Super Bowls
with mediocre defenses. When he's getting hit and does not
(04:56):
trust his protection, that offense does not look So was
this just about scheme by Buffalo's defense or was it
Bosa and personnel? Why did they get to Mahomes for
three and a half hours.
Speaker 8 (05:10):
I think it's a combination, Colin, because what Sean McDermott did.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
And just so I say right up front, I'm not
a blueprint guy.
Speaker 8 (05:17):
I don't think Mahomes has had obviously great success in
this league and he's a great player.
Speaker 9 (05:22):
So it's not as if, oh, just.
Speaker 8 (05:23):
Do what the Bills did and everybody's going to stop
Patrick Mahomes. But in this particular game, what the Bills
did was they ran a lot of what we call
hybrid coverages, where there were zone parts of it, there
were man parts of it, and all you're trying to
do is you're trying to slow down the processing for
Patrick Mahomes, and that's when the pressure becomes a factor, and.
Speaker 9 (05:45):
He did not really get out of the pocket very much.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
They did a good job of maintaining him, keeping him
in the pocket. So in this given game, I thought
it was very schematic in what they did on the
back end with their hybrid looks, and therefore he couldn't
really get a sense of rhythm. And he's not purely
a rhythm player except when he's throwing the ball short.
So it just slowed everything down for him. And then
(06:08):
he took way too many hits. I mean there was
one in particular on the sideline. I don't think I've
ever seen him hit like that.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, you know, Josh Allen came into this league with
so much horsepower, and now he's become so incredibly efficient.
And we always sort of baked it in Greg that
if you have a big arm, if you're big Ben,
if you're Cam Newton, we don't need you to be
Kirk Cousins. You go do your magic. We'll we'll give
you a little on the efficiency scale. Yet with Alan,
(06:36):
I get both. He can give me a twenty two
for twenty five, and I get the horsepower. Why has
he become so efficient?
Speaker 8 (06:45):
Well, I'm sure a lot of it has to do
with him in the offseason. We know, I'm sure you know,
Jordan Palmer. He's worked with him for years, and I
think that's he's what would they call a rotational thrower.
So when you're a rotational thrower, I think you have
to really work on that as opposed to be a
linear thrower where everything is lined up exactly straight. When
you're rotational, you can throw the ball from different angles,
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different ways, and I think you have to really become
good at that. So now I think they also understood
and this is where I think Joe Brady did a
very good job when he became the coordinator. Is I
think schematically they've tried to rain him into a certain
degree to allow him to play with a much more
defined sense of timing and rhythm rather than just, Hey,
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you know, you hear so many people say things about
certain quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (07:31):
Well, let this guy be this guy, Let Josh be Josh.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
That's all well and good, but at some point you've
got to play the game within structure. And you can
argue that the Bills offensively, and they do score a
lot of points, Colin that offensively. They're one of the
most structured teams in the NFL. With the combination of
their run game and their pass game and their past
game at times. Actually sometimes I feel like there could
be more to it. But if you're going to score
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thirty points a game, I guess that's a tough argument
to make.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Green Bay's the youngest team in the league, Seattle's offense,
Seattle's second, so donald when he leaves Minnesota, there were
a lot of people that thought, Okay, it's gonna come down,
He's not going to look like that. Well, right now,
analytics tells you he's as good as any quarterback in
the league. Are you surprised that how successful he's been
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in Seattle? We didn't even know if JSN was a
number one receiver, Like, are you surprised by what you're seeing?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (08:29):
Yes and no.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
By the way, JSN eighty percent of his routes this year,
of his snaps have been as an outside receiver. And
if you recall, a lot of people said when they
signed Cooper Cup, what.
Speaker 9 (08:40):
Are they doing they have two slot receivers.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
Well, they obviously knew JSN could line up outside, which
he's done, as I said, on eighty percent of his snaps.
But I'm not surprised with Darnald for this reason. He's
really gifted, as you know, you know, Donald. Well, but
he's a certain kind of player. You know, he's not
necessarily a sit back in the pocket, read it, scan its,
see it all. So what Clint Kubiak, And Clint Kubiak
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is the one who wanted him.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
He sort of comes a bit from that Shanahan.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
Kubiak tree of play action, play action boot define the
reds in the throws, push it down the field, off
the run action looks, and that's where Donald is really
really good. And he does throw the ball very well
on the run. So it's a classic case of matching
what a quarterback does really well, because he does have
some things he doesn't do well, of matching what he
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does really well with the scheme and you see how successful.
There's a perfect example on that play action boot work
perfectly that got the long touchdown to Cody White.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
By the way, Rashid Sahed is a burner. Oh how
does that happen? I mean that feels like to me
that plays into Donald. What do you project there?
Speaker 9 (09:50):
Yes, Well, first of all, there's very few.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
Guys in the league column that have what I call
terrifying speed, and he's one of them. Yeah, and now
they're a team that plays a lot two tight ends
twelve personnel, as we call it, two tight ends. So
what happens a lot when you play that way is
you get a defense that sees the formation, the personnel,
the formations, and they think run. So they play a
lot with a single high safety. So now you're going
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to get an opportunity to really work the intermediate and
vertical route concepts, off shot plays, off run action, and
you have to account for Shaheed and now on the
other side you're going to have JSN. This is a
real that trade. To me, maybe it was overlooked by
some people because Shaheed's not a star in the way
we think of stars, but that may have been one
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of the most impactful trades that were made on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
So JJ McCarthy and we see this. We saw it
with Caleb early in the year, very good on script
and then the last three quarters not good at all.
I said, when I watch him play with Minnesota, I
see a lot of Michigan, JJ McCarthy, were Michigan. I
love the coach Harbor, I love some of the weapons,
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Justin Jefferson or Coleston Lovelin, and I love the defense.
And I thought the defense against Detroit was sensational, and
he makes about one to two big throws a game.
JJ McCarthy. Overall, I don't see him somebody carrying a franchise.
But you know again, I liked Michigan's supporting cast. I
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liked Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, the left tackle,
Brian Flores.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
What did the film say on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
Yeah, McCarthy to me has something that in some ways
it reminds me of Alex Smith and the what I'm
about to say, and this concerns me.
Speaker 9 (11:42):
As he develops. He's what we call colin.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
I'm gonna give you a little tutorial here on quarterback mechanics.
He's what we call a locked front leg thrower. So
when he steps in, he locks his front leg. So
what happens when you lock your front leg. It's like
running into a wall. You can't really for your weight,
you don't get any core talk torque. So if you
watch him throw, you'll notice that it looks like he's
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working hard to throw the ball. Now, I don't think
his arm just as an arm is bad, but it
limits your ability to drive the football because you can't
really bring your core into your throw, and there's been
quarterbacks throughout the years like that. Alex Smith, as I said,
is a great example. And based on what you said,
you might think he's very much liking Alex Smith and
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the way he's going to have to play. And by
the way, Alex Smith on teams he was on won
a lot of football games, so you can win. But
I think it'll be interesting to see how his career progresses.
Speaker 9 (12:40):
But you're right.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
And by the way, Brian Flores did an unbelievable job
in that game against the Lions. And you know what
stood out watching that tape, the pressure in the A gap.
And you know why the pressure in the A gap
was so important, because you know what that did. It
made Jamire Gibbs have to stay in to pass protect
and that may not seem like a big deal when
you're the game, but therefore he's not getting out in
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space and killing them as a receiver. I don't know
how many times I didn't count it. I don't know
how many times Jamier Gibbs had to pass protect because
of a gap pressure. It had to be definitely more
than ten, and that really handicapped the Lions pass game.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So I just went on a rant about the Jets.
And when a workplace environment's lousy, and then you go
to a good work environment, the same employee can be
a different employee. Sauce Gardener with Robert Sala was excellent
in the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
He's bad.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Well, he didn't get he didn't lose length, speed, he
didn't lose intelligence, he didn't lose any of those qualities.
It's just a bad work environment, Sauce Gardener. The Colts
Chris Balder told me years ago we're texting. He said,
there's a cornerback shortage in the league. He goes, everybody
can find a third or a fourth grade receiver. Nobody
can find a second good corner. It's harder. They're not
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out there. I like to move by the Colts. What
do you make of it?
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Yeah, And that's why I think it's hard to look
at what Gardner's done the last year, year and a
half because there are not many guys at six three,
two hundred and ten pounds that move like he does.
You know, there's not a ton of those guys. So again,
we're not in New York, you know, we don't know
the environment. But obviously it has to wear on you
after a certain amount a certain amount of time, but
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you know he'll obviously step right in and start and play.
I guess they play overseas this weekend. But the Cults
are a team that plays a lot of different coverage schemes,
so it's not as if foundationally they do one thing.
And I think he's got the ability to pretty much
play any coverage scheme that you want him to play.
Speaker 9 (14:41):
They actually have a very good defense, Colin.
Speaker 8 (14:43):
I mean, everybody's been talking for the most part about
Daniel Jones and Taylor and the offense, and deservedly so.
And by the way, I didn't think Daniel Jones was
as bad as maybe a lot of people fought this
past week. But just talking about their defense, they've got
a lot of good players at all three levels of
their defense.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
This is this is going to be a really interesting
team to watch.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I want to talk, if I if I could, about
Dak in Arizona on Monday night. Forget Arizona. Jacoby Brissett's
a pro. He you know, the Dallas defense isn't good.
When Dak struggles like that, Is it pressure? Is it coaching?
I didn't think it was a good night for Dallas'
coaching staff, and by the way, great coaches have bad nights.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
What did you make of Dallas's offense?
Speaker 8 (15:28):
Yeah, I thought it was It was a tough watch
watching their offense. And you know, Dak, We've talked about
this over the years. You know, Dak is a good player,
no question, but at this point in his career, he
doesn't have the same movement that he once had. He's essentially,
at his core now a pocket player. So he's a
ball distributor. He's an executor of an offense. It needs
to be in rhythm, it needs to be in timing.
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If it's not clear to him, for whatever reason, the
defense takes it away, he feels a little pressure, then
he's not going to play quite as well. It's just
the way it is. But there are some games where
he's really very, very good. He certainly is a veteran
who sees things. But every once in a while, you know,
I remember years ago Ryan Jaworski telling me that there's
two games a year.
Speaker 9 (16:08):
Where you just don't see it the right way.
Speaker 8 (16:10):
And I got that impression watching the tape of him
on the other night.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
It just it just didn't seem comfortable.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
He didn't seem like a comfortable player, and that can happen.
And by the way, Arizona does have a defense that
does a lot of things that can make it.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Difficult for quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, all right, there's two games this weekend getting a
lot of attention. One of them Philadelphia at green Bay. Yes,
so you gotta be careful. Green Bay has lost to
Cleveland Carolina, but they can play with the best teams
in the league. Does green Bay match up with Phillies personnel?
Speaker 9 (16:46):
You mean overall like the Ruses.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean, when you look at what you've seen on
film from Green Bay. Here's what I've said about green Bay,
greg They're a team with talent, but I don't know
what they are.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
What is your identity?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I think what they want to run and they're not
terribly effective at it.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
They haven't been this year.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
And Matt Lafleur always wants to run because he comes
from the Shanahan School, so he definitely wants the run
game to be a strong foundation. Last week was an
odd game for them, Colin They had eight possessions, they
never punted, and they scored thirteen points. That's a very
odd game. Now, they had a fumble in the red zone.
But the run game this year has not been what
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it's been the last couple of years with Jacobs, and
it's hard to know why, but it just hasn't been
the same.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
And I look, I think Love is a really good player.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
He had a really reckless interception last week, which he
doesn't do very much, but it was a very odd game.
If you look at Love's game on tape and then
his numbers, they were fine. It wasn't as if he
had a bad game. That's the interception that was just
reckless and undisciplined.
Speaker 9 (17:51):
But you know, they're starting to lose receivers.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
We have always said, boy, they've got a ton of receivers,
but now they're starting to lose receivers to injury.
Speaker 9 (17:59):
Tucker Craft is out for the season.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
I'm really anxious to see from your old Nick of
the Woods in the Pacific Northwest Musgrave because when Musgrave
came out, he was hurt his last year at Oregon,
but he was considered a really big time prospect. I
did his tape. He's faster than Kraft.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
You know.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Now, I'm not saying he's as good, not as good.
We don't know that because he wasn't used as their
number one tight end. He will be now, but he's
got a lot of juice to him, so I'm very
curious to see how that fits into their offense.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Also, another game the Rams and the Niners. Now, the
Niners are plagued with injuries. Kind I've always been I'm
fascinated when you can go get a Puka who I
watched at Washington and VYU and then he goes to
Veigh And from the very first training camp, Stafford was
telling people this kid, this Puka kid is unbelievable. He's
not the fastest guy. I do think he's physically strong.
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When you watch this Rams offense, how crucial is Puka
now Over in London, he didn't play and they used
four tight ends and Davonte now is a growing relationship
with Stafford. Stafford had no camp. How important is Pooka
in this offense? And why does he succel to the
level he does well.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
There's a couple of things going on here.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
First of all, the last two games they've played, they've
played a lot with three tight ends on the field,
which is crazy. Last week they had thirty five snaps
with three tight ends on the field. But I think
McVeigh understands exactly what Puka Nakoup is. He's not what
we call a true boundary X where he lines up
as the isolated or single receiver to one side of
the field and you let him just win one on one.
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He's not that guy. In fact, only two of his
one hundred and ninety eight routes this year have been
where he's been an isolated receiver. That's why they went
out and got Devonte Adams because he is that guy.
That's how they use him. But McVeigh understands what Nikoo is.
They use him as a movement guy. They use him
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as part of two and three route combinations. They get
him off the line cleanly. He runs a lot of
inbreaking routes and that's what he's so good, because he's
so physically strong, and he's a great player within the
context of how he's used and what Sean McVay understands
his strengths to be. I'm not sure no matter what
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his numbers are, Colin and I would think you would agree.
I'm not sure anybody would say, just as a physical
talent that you're going to put him in the Justin
Jefferson or Jamar Chase category. But he's a great player
within the context of that offense.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, fit matters in life and in sports. Let's let's
do some Caleb Williams. We'll end our segment on a
Thursday here in the Herd. First of all, what did
the tape say. Let's just simplify here. What did the
tape say with Canam against the Bengals?
Speaker 8 (20:44):
I thought, and again, we know the Bengals are a
bad defense, but that's not what I'm looking at. I
thought this was a game maybe the first one this year,
or I thought the combination of looking at what Ben
Johnson did offensively, and I said to myself, Oh, this
is a Ben Johnson offense. This is what we want
to see from Ben Johnson. This reminded me of the
Lions offense, seeing the same concepts, and it was a
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game where I thought that Caleb really started to get
a feel for those concepts. Now's there still throws where
he's a beat late. There's still times where there's just
a little too much for neticism in the pocket and
he gets out of there and it just looks random.
That's what he has to continue to develop. But I
got to tell you, Colin, and you know this. I
mean this kid, particularly on the move, he's got a
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power hose net.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
I mean he throws.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
He throws as pretty a ball as you'll see in
the league. But there's still work to do. But it
just started. There were some plays in this game where
I just felt like, oh, yeah, this is the way
Ben Johnson wants it to look. And I'm actually going
to show one of those. And it's funny. I actually
watched the Lions offense after I watched Caleb Williams this week,
and I saw the same play.
Speaker 9 (21:51):
So we're going to go to this play. This was
a thirty nine yarder.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
To Loveland, Okay, and this was in the second half,
And this is Ben Johnson, a classic Ben jons and play.
You're going to see Williams under center here. And what
they have here is six ozero line personnel. And this
is something that the Lions did. It's something that Ben
Johnson likes to do. And there's a tight end now
up top and it's closed to the boundary, so it
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means there's no one why to the boundary side of
the field.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
It's closed to the boundary.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
So what you're going to get is a dounesay in
Loveland stacked to the wide side of the field. So
this personnel this formation, it says to the defense here
it's a run look. So it's single high. So now
you're going to see what the route concept is. It's dagger.
This is a Ben Johnson special. It's an inside vertical
by a Dounsay and a dig route by Loveland. So
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what you end up with is you're going to get
essentially a two on two kind of matchup because you're
going to get the corner playing Loveland and obviously you've
got the safety in the deep middle. Now then you
run play action under center. That's something else that's very
representative of Ben Johnson. So you get the play action
under center, which they're doing more and more of now
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and that's critical. So you get that. Now what happens
you get a doneze. He's going to get the safety
out of there. So now what's going to happen because
you only have the single high safety, is the whole
middle of the field becomes open and you get Loveland.
And by the way, Loveland can beat corners and that's
why he's running this route. So Loveland now works into
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a void in the middle of the field. There's no
one there. And look at this throw. I mean, this
is just one of those where this is a beautifully
thrown ball to Loveland. It's thirty one yards. You see
it really well from this angle. I mean, the ball
comes out of Caleb Williams hands beautifully. He just needs
to be a little more consistently precise with his ball location,
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and he just needs to become a little quicker with
how he sees things and how he delivers the football.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
But there's a lot of talent there.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Greg Cosel on a Thursday as alas great stuff.
Speaker 9 (23:56):
Appreciate it, Thanks, Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
The I know you were all worked up on all
the gifts that the Jets got, but even you would
have to acknowledge is if you look at this league
of teams that have had two first round picks, it's
a lot of Raiders, it's a lot of Panthers, it's
a lot of Cleveland. And that's my take is it's
like giving somebody with no financial literacy a small power
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ball win, they'll screw it up. I mean, I knew
the Jets were broken when they fired Sola as he
was going to Buffalo with a chance to be tied
for first. Then Sala was the best coach on the staff.
And it's like, guys, you got to identify. You have
to self scout. You have to identify in any business,
who are the best employees, who are the weak spots.
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Sla is your best coach and you let him go.
And to me at that, since that point on, I've
looked at the Jets. It's like they just can't get
out of their own way. They can't even identify their
own best employees.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
That was a flub for sure. But listen, the Jets
have crushed the draft before. I mean a few years ago.
Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Breese Hall like, they had an
awesome draft.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
He didn't have a quarterback. Aaron Rodgers let them down.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
He got hurt.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Well, I don't know what you could do about that.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
So just because you've failed in the past a different regime,
I don't see why you shouldn't be taking more shots
in the future.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Come on, what was it? What's a Michael Jordan quote?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
I missed more shots that I missed more game winning
shots than I took made or something like that.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I don't think that's it.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Oh, you know, I'm close.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
I'm in the ballpark. Bottom line, you got to keep shooting,
keep firing. Don't give up just because you've failed draft
picks in the past. Come on, I've got six months
to identify a quarterback. Less than that'll probably like five
to identify a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
If you will, think or Old and Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
You could go to Giants route, take a defensive player
in the top three and take your quarterback at the end.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Of the first round if you don't think there's one there.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I think Mendoz that Indiana is gonna win it up
to them. Well, no, everybody, now again, you don't know.
You have to watch everybody. I think what's happening is
Dante more people like he may go back to Oregon.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Mendoz is the play.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
It's Mendozo or Simpson right now, we'll see love.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I think Mendoza is a bigger, stronger athlete smart.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Have you checked his LinkedIn page recently? No, he cip
dates that he's a genius.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, the kid's really smart. We're in La. It's the hurd.
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Speaker 3 (26:57):
Of the many societal issues that pressing, what I like
to drink is not near the top. But I was
thinking about this. Two days ago I had a cappuccino.
And forever I was a coffee guy, and I refuse
to go to these coffee places because they're so outrageously expensive.
Then I became a Cafe Americano guy. Rick Buker said
(27:18):
you should try an Americano like two years ago. I did,
loved it, and somebody else the other day I said,
you should get a cappuccino. This point forward, I think
I've changed. I think it's cappuccinos are nothing. They're delicious.
I even did it with almond milk. It's just terrific.
So going forward, if you want to buy me something
and just be and be nice to me, and you
could just offer to buy me a cappuccino and I'd
(27:39):
like you more for that.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Jmack with a news.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I was trying to think of something witty that you
could buy me, buy you cappuccinos. All right, let's get
started with the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Colin. They seem back right. They won back to back games.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Are had four hundred sorry four touchdowns and two hundred
thirty eight yards passing. However, only five rushing attempts. He
didn't look one hundred percent. He did address those rumors
about the hamstring, saying he's being cautious. The speculations of
what I'm saying are totally different. I feel good. I
feel like I did what I needed to do to win.
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Ravens four and a half at Minnesota. Really interesting game here.
Nothing would surprise me if the Vikings won this. But
you know Lamar against the NFC, He's faced Brian Flores twice.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
I don't know, if you remember the Miami game against Balton.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
No, this is one of my favorite plays of the weekend.
Is the Ravens a minus four and a half. Again,
this game is urgent. If I go into a game
and I have to win it, and I go into
a game with the superior quarterback, who now is finally healthy,
I get probably the better roster.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Well, the Ravens defense is not great yet.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, but JJ McCarthy can't do anything. He can't.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
He just wanted to Detroit and beat the Lions.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Would I think you made the key pass on third
down and whatever to keep to end the game basically
backed shoulder throat a Jalen Naylor.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
I mean that was impressive.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Why do you why do you always like these quarterbacks
who are a little small, who don't quite have the arm.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
He's saying, what do you?
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Let's just move on. I know you're a little combative
with this cold you've got. Let's move on to the
New England Patriots.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
H They were expected to be buyers at the trade
deadline at a given that they're seven and two.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
They got a young team.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
But New England stood pat and Mike Rabel was asked
about it he's got an amazing quote.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Here we go.
Speaker 11 (29:37):
Deals are like being pregnant.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
You either are or you are.
Speaker 11 (29:41):
There's no like. It's either a deal or it's not.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
So I don't know how close you can be.
Speaker 11 (29:46):
I know that everyone worked hard and that we investigated
and looked in and made phone calls and they what
personnel departments do, and in the end, you know, we
decided that this was what we were going to do.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I like them not moving. I think they're way ahead
of schedule, honestly.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Like the cold quarterback on the rookie deal, though, could
you have pushed? I mean, the Colts are freaking all out.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
For the record, most trade deadline deals don't pan out.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
They don't most don't.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
That's why the smart gms usually go small C plus
B minus player.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
The Colts went all in.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Now, I think the Colts look at it as we're
really good in every unit. We got to have a
number one corner, and I do there is something to
be said, like Chris Ballard looks at it and thinks, Okay,
this Daniel Jones magic carpet ride.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Does it last forever?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Or does he have confidence we have the right protection,
we have the right young pieces, So I kind of
I like Ballard saying we're going for it, We're going
to take a big swing here and again, I think
Sauce Gardner is a really good player. But I think
New England. You look at them, I think they're way
ahead of schedule.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Who's more likely to end up in the AFC Championship?
Patriots are cold because the Colts went all in. The
Patriots Patriots interesting.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Because I think they have a better course.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
So why wouldn't you go all in if you well
really think they're that close?
Speaker 5 (31:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
My take is they spent a fortune on free agency.
They spent, like I'm sure I'm wrong on this, two
hundred and ninety million dollars in free agency, So they're
probably looking at it thinking, listen, we spent our, we
took our big shot in the off season. We'll do
something if the valuation works, but we're not going to
go big. Listen, when Christian Gonzalez plays at corner, then
(31:40):
I'll lose. I think they're six and oh, So I
I don't think I think the Colts have more elite
players than New England, but I think New England's way
ahead of schedule, A year ahead of schedule.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Anything on Patriots Bucks. I know you love the Patriots.
We all the Bucks are still all beat up. No,
I mean it's amazing. Nobody's practiced. Will not back Godwin
not back. We know Evans is coach, but they're off
a bye. Yes, teams off of bye this year were
really good numbers tomorrow. But it sounds like maybe your
leaning Bucks here.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yep, I think under a field goal, yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Finally to the NBA Colin you know, the Dallas Mavericks,
your pick to go to.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Do Oh my gosh, NBA Finals.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
So Cooper Flag did not start at point guard last night,
and they decide we're going to change things up. We're
not going to do well. Also, Clay Thompson now coming
off the bench. Klay Thompson really on the struggle bus
this season. So they started me Angelo, I'm sorry, di
Angelo Russell. The MAVs lost to the hapless, winless Pelicans.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Here's a Mason kitt Okay, Jason kid.
Speaker 12 (32:43):
Just looking at when we have a point guard on
the floors. It's been all right, And so talk to
Clay as this is an apertmanent thing, but can you
come off the bench. And he was good. He was
good with it, and so I thought it came coming
off the bench, gave us a spark. That first group was,
for whatever reason, a little tight. You know, everybody's trying
(33:06):
to play perfect.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You know, A Cooper's given you about fifteen a night.
He's good.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
He had one really bad game against OKC. Okay, take
that game out, and he's closer to eighteen a night.
He's been really good. He had like this is always
the case with young players. They have stinkers, they get
into foul trouble, they just it's a bad matchup. If
you take one OKC game out, he's given you eighteen
to night.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
He's been a good player.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
We forget Luca elevated everybody on that roster when he
was there. Everyone there's nobody to do that now, and
Kyrie Irving ain't doing that when he comes back, if
he comes back.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
I don't think this is the playoff team going in
the in the West. I don't.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Can we look at that Western?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I mean the West is so low, Allison, have you
seen you Golden State's losing two Well, they.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Didn't have anybody last night. They blew it against the Kings.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I think Russell Westbrook talking all kinds of junk after
the game.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
NBA's fun. Man, there's just a lot of games you
can't get to it.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
What was Wemby like in person? I was even super impressed.
Now he got in foul trouble. So the new book
on Wemby, here we go with in the Western Conference.
You do not see the maps in there because.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
They're nowhere near Lasuer for a fun watch.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
They beat the Thunder last night, Ice win so real
quick on Wemby. What they're doing now is they're switching everything.
They're not keeping a big guy on him, so like
Marcus smarts on him, Jake Laurravia, and when he gets
it outside the paint, instant double team and he's forced
to give it up. I mean, he's not getting by
two guys instead Wiry. But the Suns did that this
week beat him, and now the Lakers did it. I
think Webby's going to see a lot of that. So
(34:35):
how he combats the double teams, we'll see him. He's
de Aaron Fox back by the way, really misses him.
He's a good point guard man. Yea is j Mack
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Speaker 3 (35:20):
It's interesting, you know, everybody. I always love the public.
Don't listen to the media when it comes to politics.
The Blue Team's raising funds at a great rate right now.
The Blue Team had a great early week. This idea
that one political party is going to run this country
for any extended period is complete nonsense. The public doesn't
like extreme the public can feel the economy doesn't feel
(35:44):
quite right, and the Blue Team has a big night shocker.
It continues to happen. Trust your gut. I always trust
the people. I don't trust the people talking about politics.
I trust the people voting on the politics. So I'm
when Ben Jonson got hired people may forget this. Ben
Johnson was offered another job. He was offered a job
(36:07):
and mid flight decided to turn the plane around.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
I'm not going to take the job.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
And a lot of us, myself included, were like, are
you gonna go back to Detroit? Can you top what
you're doing in Detroit. So Ben Johnson eventually takes a
job in Chicago, and he took it for a large degree,
not because they were particularly well run, but he knew
the division and Caleb Williams was super talented, and he
thought to himself, well, I've got all this production with
Jared Goff. This kid in Chicago, he's got more talent
(36:34):
than Jared Goff. And so when he was with the Lions,
Ben Johnson's offense was third in big plays with Jared Goff.
Now it's number one in the league in big plays.
And Greg Cosell came on forty minutes ago to talk
about Ben Johnson's impact with this Bears offense.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
I thought this was a game, maybe the first one
this year, or thought the combination of looking at what
Ben Johnson did offensively, and I said to myself, Oh,
this is a Ben Johnson offense.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
This is what we want to see from Ben Johnson.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
There's still times where there's just a little too much
for neticism in the pocket and he gets out of
there and it just looks random.
Speaker 9 (37:16):
That's what he has to continue to develop.
Speaker 8 (37:18):
But I got to tell you, Colin, and you know this,
I mean this kid, particularly on the move, he's got
a power hose.
Speaker 9 (37:25):
Now.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Also, the Bears are second in the NFL in rushing.
I think Buffalo's first. So there we always think there's
a gap in quarterback play, but you know, there's a
big gap in coaching in this league. There's a big
gap in coordinators, in owners, in general managers, and I
everybody that I've talked to, texted in the league, they
(37:48):
all think Ben Johnson is next level Kevin O'Connell, McVeigh,
Shanahan level, just a next level coordinator and it takes time.
But when you watch the Bears play, they've just they
got a lot of they got a lot of jet fuel,
They've got a lot the ability to make big plays
at any part on the field. And it's again, he
(38:11):
was the hot commodity in coaching and he is delivered
on it. Usually you get seven openings a year in
the NFL, there's always one guy that gets a job
and you kind of know it's gonna work. Like either
it's a good organization, like Mike Vrabel this year was
obviously gonna work. Jim Harbaugh last year of the Chargers
(38:33):
was obviously gonna work. Sean Payton two years to go
to Denver. Yeah, that was a no brainer. They had
dead cap hell with Russell Wilson's contract, coaches mattered. You've
got to pay ten million plus. So there's a lot
of things you can go cheap on in business or
in life. You can't on the coach. It's amazing to me.
(38:55):
I'm trying to think of the best coach available right now.
That's why I keep saying, keep your eye on Lane.
If I was the New York Jets of the New
York Giants, I would consider Lane Kiffin. Jackson Dart loved
him at Ole Miss reunite those two. It feels like
Lane Kiffin who coached in the NFL. But it was
an older Al Davis, highly flammable, highly dysfunctional. Al Davis
(39:19):
loved JaMarcus Russell. Lane Kiffin warn him it's not gonna
work in the NFL, and it didn't. Lane was right,
So Lane's grown. I'm not sure if there is a
great candidate. Some have suggested Bill Belichick from from Carolina,
but I do think this isn't a shot at Bill.
I think Bill's best days are over. I don't think
(39:40):
he has the energy and I think he you know,
Bill is a little like Jerry Jones right now, Bill
Belichick is that they're they're only willing to do there
are stipulations to their performance. Belichick only wants to coach
certain players. You can't have stipulations. You just have to
get the best players. Jerry Jones, I'll hire a coach,
(40:03):
but I want control. Well you're not going to get
control with Jim Harbaugh or Sean Payton. So the best,
the best coach is right now. That the best candidates
to me Mike McCarthy, who's a good B plus candidate,
Jesse minterter defensive coordinator who's got kind of a Mike
McDonald Seahawks feel.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
And Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
So one's a great college coach, one's won a Super Bowl,
and one's a coordinator. But with the Jets, you've done
the coordinator multiple times. It's not working. If I was
the Jets, I would go get Mike McCarthy. I would
go get a proven B plus coach, give him Mendoza
out of Indiana and use those picks.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I think the.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Jets have to go head coach. You know the other
openings in the league. I wouldn't have a problem with
Jesse Minter. So I'm not saying coordinators can't work. But
in the Jets case, it's time to go spend some money.
Spend tillion ten million bucks and get a get a pro.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Whuldn't you are argue that Glenn who was in Detroit
with Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell struggled when he was hired
by Detroit. Remember they started like one in seven that
one year before turning it around. You got to give
Glenn a little more time.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
How many coaches have the.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Jets had in the last like six years, can't keep
cycling through. You got to give him another year at least.
You see nothing.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
They fought hard.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
He's not good handling the media, he's not good situationally.
I don't see a lot I like, I mean, offensively,
just doesn't feel like he's got any say any and
that's something to consider. I like a head coach. I
like Mike McCarthy with the Jets,
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