November 7, 2025 • 41 mins
Another edition of Colin’s famous Blazing 5 NFL picks for Week 10 — featuring his best bets, sharp insights, and against-the-spread analysis for:
- Falcons at Colts
- Ravens at Vikings
- Patriots at Buccaneers
- Lions at Commanders
- Steelers at Chargers
More on the NFL games this weekend, Bo Nix starting to struggle, JJ McCarthy being under pressure this week, the 2024 NFL QB draft and more
Guest: Mike Sando
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You know, Jmax. It is a weird year. Last year
it was a great year for the Joes, not the pros.
The favorites crushed. I've been on this for a few
years now that the bottom of the NFL is looking
like the bottom of the NBA is that it's not
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watchable and it's not competitive. That was never the case
years ago, but as the league has become more quarterback dependent,
that means offensive lines and quarterbacks and offensive coaches have
a greater impact. We're seeing ugly spreads and favorites are
holding serve a lot. And this week again, I like
a lot of favorites. It's a dead last week early games,
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I took road favorites. I went to and all on
those and I thought these are bad picks. They worked out,
So here we go. Here's this week's blazing five.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Let's blaze it up. Fired up, It's Collins Blazon. Fuck
the Felkins at Colts.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I like the Colts in Berlin minus five and a half.
Don't overreact to the Steelers' loss. They lead the NFL
at six point three yards of play. They haven't lost
if Jonathan Taylor just russes for ninety yards, have the
number two total offense, and Daniel Jones on the road
had a stinker five turnovers against Pittsburgh. Even good quarterbacks
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have bad weekends. I love the Colts. I love what
Sauce Gardner does to the locker room. The Falcons are
on a three game losing streak. They've been out gained
in all of their games. They're the worst third down
team over the last two games, so they are regressing.
I think it's to bounce back for the Colts. I
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like Indy here, Atlanta's struggling to score. Indy to win
and cover thirty three twenty four Ravens and Vikings. I'm
gonna take the Ravens coming off extra rest averaging thirty
two a game when Lamar plays. I don't know if
you've noticed this. Lamar's having an unbelievable year. He'd be
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the MVP if he'd been healthy, and the defense in
three straight games now healthy, holding people under twenty points.
Lamar's averaging seventy three completion percentage this year in a
one to thirty seven passer rating.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
He's on fire.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
The Vikings have been out gained in back to back games,
including the win over Detroit, and they're allowing thirty a
game in.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Their last three games.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So again, a regressing Minnesota defense which is on the.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Field too long.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Lamar owns the NFC Ravens win and the Ravens cover.
It's an urgent week for Baltimore and next week in
the week after thirty to twenty.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Be more Patriots at Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I like the Bucks minus two and a half coming
off of buye and their right tackle returns their last
two wins have been by double digits. They're a very
good home team, twenty eight a game at home, getting
slightly healthier. My concern, though, is the Patriots, who have
played the easiest schedule in the league, and I think
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we're a little hot on a young New England team.
Drake May is getting sacked at an alarming rate. Watch
out Todd Bowles. Jmack knows this. He dials up the
blitzes he and Brian Flores as well as anybody. So
since week seven, Drake May is under duress. I like
the Bucks at home to win and cover twenty seven
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to twenty three, Lions at Commanders. I don't think I've
ever taken four straight favorites. I'm gonna take the Lions.
Do not panic over the Minnesota loss. They had more yards,
they were better on third and fourth, better time of possession.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
They've won two of their last three.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Road games, and they were really last week in division
kind of pushed around. When good teams get pushed around,
it's an angry, focused week of practice. And they are
getting to the quarterback second in sacks only behind Denver
Commander's four game losing streak. No juice just lost Jayden
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Daniels and they they only pressured Sam Darnold on three
of twenty four dropbacks. That's brutal. So Jared Goff is
going to have time to throw. Those interior O line
injuries have mostly been cleaned up. I like the Lions
to win. I like another favorite here thirty three twenty one.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Comfortably Steelers at Chargers.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm gonna take the underdog Steelers plus three. They're four
and oh this year when they hold their opponents under thirty. Well,
the Chargers don't have either Tackle Becton's hurt as well.
They have four key O line injuries. Aaron Rodgers one
hundred plus passer rating in four or five games, he's
found his rhythm. They really held Jonathan Taylor in check.
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So the Chargers are gonna need to throw the ball
to win here. I don't think they'll run and be
overly dynamic running.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And I don't trust this O line.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Justin Herbert's got one plus picks in three straight games
because he's rushed. So I think the Steelers defense against
the Colts last week, they pushed.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Around that whole line and nobody had all year.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I'm gonna take the underdog Steelers so far is going
to be sixty forty Steeler fans, not a home field advantage.
Maybe seventy thirty Steeler fans. I got an upset twenty four,
twenty three Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers walk out with
a narrow win.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I don't like a lot of favorites I do this week.
J Mac, use restraint when bashing my picks.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
No, no, I actually am with you on a lot
of these. I would just be careful with that Bucks game.
Everybody likes Tampa Christian Gonzalez Ago Christian Gozalas versus Buca
should be fun overall.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
I don't hate the picks call. I mean, you're hot.
What can I say? You know when you're hot?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Not last week.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Mike Sandos, an NFL writer for the Athletic Selector for
the Pro Football Hall of Fame, So you know I was,
I said this great senior, Mike. I watched Bo Nicks
and he has regressed badly. And for young quarterbacks the
development is never lindear. They have bad stretches, bad games.
They can lose a coordinator. So I understand that, but
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there are I think he looks nervous. I think there's
he's trying to please Sean Payton. Sean Payton's then overcompensating,
over compensating on trying to help him.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
The rhythm is off.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I don't know, like I something feels off and wrong. Mike,
what do you hear and what do you see with that?
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah? I agree now.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
I do think one of the warnings you get from
veteran coaches says, hey, that second year can be tough.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Right, people adjust to you, they got the film on you.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
He had some success last year, so you're probably getting
people's plan a little bit more. I think so much
of him has been you know, he's a little bit
of an off scheduled quarterback sometimes, So you know, we're
dealing with that in a lot of markets where where's
the consistency when a big part of your game is
moving around And sometimes when you come into the league
early and moving around actually helps you, you know, you survive,
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but it's not sustainable. We see Arizona's changing to changing
away from Kyler Murray because they feel like their offense
is going to be more consistent even with a backup
type quarterback like Jacoby Brissett, and they can run their
offense so I think there's some of that. You would
think that you know, Sean Payton would be the perfect
person to get the best out of him. But this
has to be the least impressive seven game winning streak
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that we've ever seen. It's like, how have they done it?
It does not look sustainable at all.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, so let's go to Caleb Williams. I had said
this earlier. Sometimes we zero in on stuff and we
don't take a step back. And if I think most
Bear fans, even Ben Johnson, if you have said, listen
through eight weeks, you'll lead the NFL in big plays,
your fourth in yards per play, and you have a
winning record, I think Ben Jonson would have said, I'm
signing up for the based on last year. But if
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you watch every play, and if you listen to Chicago
Sports Radio, there's a lot of anxiety it might take
his folks. There's a lot of the dynamic stuff is landing.
Where are you on Caleb and Ben and that relationship.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
Well, the thing I look at is he's on a
historic high average time to throw or sack three point
six seconds per play. That's not where it's at for
Ben Johnson. So I think it's a stressful way for.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Him to play.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
I give them credit.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
I think that it's you know, look, this could have
been a disaster possibly, or we could be talking about
every week like it's not working.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
I don't think we're doing that.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
But when you talk about the long term sustainability and
really maximizing this player in this system, I.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Still have those question marks.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
Although I will say to hey, the Sacks, you know,
is not the story every week, and he's not killing
the killing it that way, so and his completion percentage
has not falling way off. It's about the same. It's
kind of interesting to me that he's like a waiting Sacks,
holding the ball forever completely, not like he's throwing them
all away.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
So it's kind of working.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
I just I still need to see long term, you
know how if there's going to be a lot of
growth or is I think there's still a lot of
inconsistency there.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting, Mike, he's never thrown picks,
high school, college pros. He doesn't throw picks. So he
holds the ball and I think that psychology within him
is Listen, I'm not going to throw a pick. I'll
hold it a little longer because I can escape, I
can move my feet, so he doesn't get you in
a lot of trouble. There's not a ton of three
and outs. He doesn't throw a lot of picks. It's
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just to your point, the rhythm is off, the operational
part of it's a little clunky, right.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm going to look at this too, because
I think one of the fears, even I knew a
couple of guys, you know, in the scouting realm who
had some concerns about him being off schedule to the
point that you're playing behind the sticks a fair amount,
you know.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
And I think like for Seattle when they had R.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
Russell Wilson, that worked for a while because he was
a magician. I mean he was. The positives were so amazing,
and pretty early in his career downfield throws, the accuracy,
he made it work. In fact, once his legs wins,
he couldn't do it anymore. And I haven't necessarily seen
that enough consistent outside. I do think it's amazing that
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the exposed to play things, so that's positive. I think
I'm generally I feel better about it now than I
did the day after that big article came out saying
is it going to be a disaster. Remember that, you know,
everybody hated Caleb Williams that was there last year. So
I feel better about it now than I could have,
but still probably need to see more.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, listen the JJ McCarthy thing I said before, I
love all the ingredients. I love the coach, the left tackle,
the receivers. I like the organization. I don't know if
we have the right chef. JJ McCarthy thing. I didn't
love him out of Michigan. I didn't see a wow trade.
I'm always so reluctant to embrace this term.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
He a winner.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Danny Wirfol was a winner. That doesn't mean anything to me.
You got to give me traite size arm movement.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
If you start taking out his two best quarters, his
passer ratings thirty seven. Now the next four weeks, it's Lamar,
it's Darnold, it's Jordan Loves. The truth is going to
come out here. What do you see and what do
you hear on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 8 (12:23):
Well, it's nice to see something that he actually played
the game. You know, I think that's been the biggest
problem is he hasn't been out there, and I think
you know, some of those concerns that were sort of
boiling underneath the surface about you know, is he ready
to lead the team and all of that. I mean
that just grew until he could finally play. So I
have not been overly impressed. I love the end of
the game against Detroit. I mean, throwing a back shoulder
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ball more than fifteen yards down the field to ice
the game is not typically done in those situations, so
I thought that was a nice bit of confidence. But
he had fourteen completions. Some of the other stuff, the
hey alter ego stuff like, to me, got to play
well for a while before I stop thinking that's kind
of corny, do you know what I mean? You got
to like there's too much of that. I feel like
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there's been too much effort by the organization and the
people around him to make it seem like it's like they're.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Excited about it. Didn't you sense that off season at all? Yes, Oh, oh,
this guy.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
It's been like a campaign to convince us, and I
just want to see it and I'm not buying it
until I see more of it. That's just kind of
where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, So the AFC playoff picture, I told the staff
this morning I don't buy it. Literally, Denver is a
number one seed and leads the NFL in three and
outs in punts.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
It's not going to last.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I look at it and I said, I'm still going
mahomes Lamar Josh Allen, I don't care. I look at
it right now here, it is right now. I told
them Jacksonville's not making it. Kansas City is and they'll
beat the Colts. The Chargers don't have the they don't
have their tackles. Nobody loves hardball more than me and Herbert.
They're not making it. Put Baltimore in there. They're beating
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Drake May and I'll take Buffalo over whoever. But I
look at the AFC playoff picture right now, there's no
way that's what it is in two months.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Right totally.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
I didn't my pick six Calm on Monday restacking the AFC,
and I put him in two buckets. The consensus favors
before the year, Kansas City, Buffalo and Baltimore have those
three teams have the worst record to this point in
the season.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
They're like fourteen and eleven.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Then they've had since like Josh was a rookie and
LeVar was not even a starter, right, So it's totally
different in terms of what their record is. But it
would have to get a lot worse for me to
come off of those teams like Baltimore is only three
and five. It's not there one in five anymore. So
I'm with you totally. I don't think a lot has
changed now. I do understand, though, I'll say this, I
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think there's enough of an opening for a team like
in Indie to actually think we have a chance on
let's make a push, right.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I think that's so it's different.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
We don't feel like any one of those teams is
necessarily consistently great or unbeatable at the top.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You know, there were stories out there that Tom Brady
was not hot on Sam Darnold, and there were stories
that they wanted Matt Stafford, but Matt Matt wanted to
stay in LA and it was a smart choice. Yeah,
So they pursued Gino. So so Pete Carroll had a
year out of the NFL to modernize reflect take stock,
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and they paid him sixty six million guaranteed and gave
up a third round pick. Jamac asked this earlier, could
this be a one and done for Gino?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And Pete. I mean, it's just nothing is working. Mike.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
I always wonder, like, you know, can a top coach
overcome BA ownership?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
You know, how does that work? And how much is
the ownership better with Brady there.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
I thought about that too, because Pete's going to be
seventy five going in the next season. If the takeaway
from this year is that we're a three year plan?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Away?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Is that for Pete?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Now?
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Do you fire a Pete Carroll after one year? To me,
it would really have to be like they had a
game this year they played the Colts. They got out
scored forty to nothing in the second and third quarters.
If that type of thing is happening, then I think
anybody isn't coming back right that no one survives that
when you're just totally incompetitive. The game the other night
was just so ugly, but they were at least there.
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It wasn't like they were losing thirty to nothing. So
I would think Pete, it's more time. It has just
felt a little weird to me the way it came together,
where it's like Chip Kelly probably wouldn't have been Peach's choice.
Patrick Graham was already there, probably wouldn't have been his choice.
I kind of agreed with that, because you don't what
pege is getting the band back together with a bunch
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of guys that need Pete to have a job necessarily.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
But I'm not sure how like think of it this way.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
When you're a head coach and your calling card is
changing the culture, It's not like Pete Carroll's coming in
and bringing a differentiating offense or defense. Right, You're not
getting an advantage through that scheme like you might with
Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan. You're really relying on the
culture to turn. Number one, can you turn a culture
of a bad organization? And number two? How long does
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that take to happen? Like think about Dan Campbell was
four nineteen and one and he had Jared Goff, who's
a good pro quarterback, right, and then he finally kind
of hit it with Ben Johnson. But like, does anyone
think that they're going to wait that long? Is this
a five year plan with Pete to get every aspect
of the building? I think they need to start to
see it to turn this year, and if he makes it,
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it's got to turn by the middle of the next year.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, Mike Sando, Senior writer. The athletic on a Friday
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Speaker 4 (17:49):
Mike, it's great seeing you.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Great seeing you. Appreciated Colin all right, Mike does terrific work.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah, I don't. It's an interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Idea by you, is that it is it's hard to
turn around the culture. I mean, the reason Harbaugh took
the Chargers job was Herbert, right, Like, that's why you
take the job. Obviously, it doesn't matter who the owner
is that you bring your band. You bring the band.
Dean Spanos now in LA with so far his huge
game day revenue. The money's good, you go for Herbert,
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you know. That's why we have said for years we
know Sean McDermott's a good coach, but if they get
bounced in the first round, that's the best job in
the NFL. So it's most of the great quarterbacks right
now have good enough coaches. The Raiders, we don't know
if it's the coach. The quarterback ownership's not great. There's money.
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It's just hard to turn this stuff around. I mean again,
you can do it if you land a Josh in
the draft or Harball lands a Herbert in his move.
It's just if you don't have the quarterback right and
you've got to rebuild the culture.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
It looks like the Raiders.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Well it's funny.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
After I said that on social media, guys coming after me,
Hey j Mack, you want to keep Aaron Glenn, but
you want to run off Pete Carroll.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
And I said, well, those are different things.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Pete Carroll's a veteran coach, right coming into a Raiders
team that I don't know they were like maybe a
seven eight nine wins. Yeah, we thought so, and he
kind of handpicked his quarterback. Aaron Glenn got hey, this
is you. You can bring in justin fields.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
You can do it.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I'm giving Aaron Glenn, a first time head coach, a chance.
I just wonder if Pete Carroll's the right fit there.
I mean, you know, Chip Kelly, we like a lot,
you know, we know the ownership group is some smart people.
I just don't know how they landed on Gino Smith
of all people, because Colin he looked shot, yeah, no.
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Speaker 4 (20:21):
Urban Meyer next hour.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'm still telling you there's the Lincoln Riley stuff at USC.
Penn State might be interested. Keep your eye on Lane Kiffin.
What is working in the NFL right now? Is young
offensive guys. They're working AFC, NFC. You can bounce around
the SEC.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Wait, so is link taking the LSU job, the Penn
State job, mimy Miami Dolphins. Okay, boy, Lane Kiffin's the
bell of the ball this month.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I mean he's he's been Listen, don't blame the Raiders
on him. That was Al Davis in Twilight Years and
at USC again. Find all the UFC coaches that are
winning since Pete Carroll, Sark Kiffin, Clay Lincoln, where all
the wins.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
It's more about like just is it because is some
of the Jackson Dart looks really.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Good in the NFL or better than everybody thought?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Is it?
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Old miss?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
He's got a kid now, Trinidad Chambliss, the quarterback. I
think he's great now he's undersize. I text five GMS
this weekend, and you know they were all kind of
like his size is a concern, his quarterbacks, his offense
work all.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I know. You know what's funny about this.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
In recruiting, offensive players at a high school or transfer
portal will follow a coach. Defensive players, the great five
star guys they want to go to Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan,
they want to go to the big programs. They're not
as driven to go to a coach. Offensive guys will
follow the coach. They'll follow Lane right, so he'll always
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succeed in college. Lane will always have good offenses because quarterbacks, receivers, backs,
left tackles. Offensive players follow the coach more than defensive players.
Now in the NFL, obviously, that dynamic changes you're drafting
them they're not choosing you. So maybe he's just built
for college because Lane's young, good looking guy, big personality,
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and in the college level he's got a pied piper effect.
He can get those those transfer guys they want they
want to play for lanth and they should.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I look at the who he's answering to at Ole
miss nobody, it's Lane's show. Nobody tells them what to do.
At LSU, it's I believe the governor of the state
right now. No, you're right, okay, The Miami Dolphins Stephen Ross,
you know him as an owner. Look at his history.
It ain't great. And then the New York Giants, who
are a bit of a dog.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Would you ask yourself these are good point.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
I want to kill the kill the Giants.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I would rather coach in the NFL than college because
I just would get tired of having to tell every player.
It's like being a late night host, Like you're Jimmy Kimmel.
You have to fake that you care about some crappy
third line actress or actor on a show you'd know
watch late night TV.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Is just faking it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
You very rarely get Chris rock On or Seinfeld or
Dave Chappelle, like, that's a great guest. You get them
like four times a year, or a great like Bradley Cooper.
It's mostly second third tier people you gotta fake. So
in college recruiting you have to. Basically you're constantly like, oh,
I love you, You're my favorite to eighteen year olds
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I draft you. I like you.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It doesn't work. I cut you. It's more bottom line,
I'd rather coach NFL than college. You say that, but
then we've got all these meddaling owners.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Colin who Woody Johnson goes and blast Justin Fields.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
The week of the game Justin Fields.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
And shows up and is great, and you're like, what
is Woody Johnson talking about? Do you want your owner
coming into meetings and meddling. I mean, look at the
Carolina Panthers owner the last few years. Now he's simmer
down this season, Like, do you want to deal with that?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Well, I would rather think I would rather deal with
one impulsive billionaire than seven needy boosters, an overwhelmed athletic director,
and the NCAA nonsense all deal good question.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
With one impulsive rich guy.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'll talk him off the ledge Twice a year when
you deal with a lot of rich guys, you know,
I don't.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I don't, I don't. I don't know what they're like.
I just can make fun of one the ender. My
friends are oppressed and living on peanut riddle. But the
point is, I'd rather deal with one one thing than
a bunch of things.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Joey baggat Donuts, who's coming in?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I'm got every car dealer in town and guys that
sell sofas at discount?
Speaker 6 (24:30):
Hey, what about but don't buy the kid again? I
don't know, And I'd love to ask Lane. You take
one of these car.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Dealers out to a dinner and they're just thrilled.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
They're on cloud nine for a month. That's it, and
you're good, Hey, thank you for the input, you know,
and you just win on Sunday and your owner is
good Saturday.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yeah. Oh well, yeah, that's tough. It's not easy.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Do you want needy boosters and needy administrators or.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Do you want to just be like a radio host
in you you know, you just whatever?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I mean, Belichick's like Robert Kraft A lot of times.
The coaches are I mean, Andy Reid gets along with
Jeffrey Lourie, amahont family.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
The he's out of it.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
You have it in.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Belichick's grumpy. He's like Robert Robert Kraft's a top four owner.
You're complaining about Robert Kraft. That's a tough owner. Belichick
doesn't want anybody, not Not all owners are created equal.
Cleveland Brown's what's going on with that owner?
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Like there's just some team like I'd rather coach in
colleague Penn State's probably a better job than you know,
probably a third of NFL jobs, given how crazy and
wacky these.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Billions, you want to be recruiting small town A thirteenth
apple Pie Slice of the Week.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
I love apple pie. I'll eat apple pie six days
a week if I get.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
To just schmooze with Jmack with a news No, no,
turn on the news.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
This is the headline news, all right. So this one
is interesting. Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
You know, I've stopped beating up on him after he
got that one over the Colts.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Very strange situation this week.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
So Rogers talked about an alleged team bonding of event
that he was invited to, right, and then he shows
up and he's the only player there.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Listen to this colin.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
Him invited me to a movie night a while back,
and I said it was a big team function.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
I showed up.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
I was the only player there, and.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
On a Tuesday night too.
Speaker 10 (26:17):
It was just like we had an early Wednesday morning
the quarterbacks with our meeting with Mike. So I was like,
I love, you know, team bonding, chemistry stuff. I show up,
I see him and his son col and we have
to know during training camp. I'm like, oh cool, yeah,
of course camps here.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I'm looking around.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I go, where's it? But he so then he texted
me a.
Speaker 10 (26:37):
Couple of nights ago said there was something on Monday night,
and I said, is this gonna be like the last one?
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Okay, so is this something? Nothing is?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Rogers ain't get on chain here? I like that he
tells a story that's kind of funny.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
So is it just.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Cam Hayward's older? Is he inviting guys over and all
the young guys are like, we're good, we got we got,
we got a night off. We're not hanging with the
old boy.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
That's why I don't invite you guys over to my place.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'll get the same kind of treatment you guys all
go to night clubs and New night clubs. These guys
go to music venues and night clubs and dance clubs,
and I go to bowling alley.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
You're hanging out a cigar lounges.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Well, I mean, I go, I'm in.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I'm literally playing with the dogs at five forty five
the other night during uh it was Monday night football,
so Chicago's central time zone LA Pacific, And so I'm
sitting there and I'm watching the Monday night football game,
and I'm I'm getting tired, and I'm kind of battling
a flu. I'm like, I'm gonna get into bed. And
I looked down. It was five point fifty four, and
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I'm like, I wanted to take magnesium and shut it.
And I had to watch the Monday night football game.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Those those Midwest winters hit hard. How you hold it up, buddy?
Let's move on. Hey, well, let'll get you happy with
this one. Sam Darnold your guy. You can't stop talking
about it. Oh, he's the best quarterback in.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
The league this year.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
That's undeniable. He had seventeen straight completions against one.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
That was the best half of football by any quarterback
this decade.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
NFL analyst Hugh Millan believes that one of the keys
to Darnold's success has been his ability to manipulate the
defense with his eyes and smoking the ball into those
tiny windows.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Your thoughts, I know you, and I think he's right.
I think Sam's really grown. I think we forget how
young Sam was with the Jets, so he was twenty
one years old. The Jets are dysfunctional. But and it
also Sam's also helped that this general manager, John Snyder,
this roster's really good. They got their left tackle, they
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got their interior offensive linemen, they now got three receivers.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
It's a really good roster.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
When you watch them against Washington, I made this comment,
it looked like a it was Ohio State against Purdue.
It looked like an unfair fight. They are so long, strong,
they're so nimble. They're just they draft really well. They
don't miss. They don't miss much in drafts.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
So we're talking about coaches and hot hot coaches.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Is Sam Darnald looking different and better because of Clint Kubiak? Now,
remember he's the OC last year Colin, You remember when
the New Orleans Saints started two and oh, they scored
like ninety points if Kubiak was there, Kubiak was the.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Guy, then it did. It went sideways, but Carr was hurt.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
I just wonder if Kubiak's been so good for Donald
that maybe he starts getting some looks in interviews with Donald.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Has now succeeded in his life with Clay Helton, Kevin o'cutia,
Kevin O'Connell. When you start succeeding with three different sets
of it's not all that.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
But how about this Kubiak Before he was with Seattle,
it was the Saints before that San Francisco fourteen nine ers.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Well that's where Donald, Yeah, Donald, you know, Shanahan's the
one that never quit on Donald after, you know, bouncing
around the league. McVeigh liked Baker, remember he brought him
to LA mcvay's like, no Baker can play. That's why
you have to be careful as a fan. You know,
when a quarterback's losing and say, well, let's contextualize it.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Why is he lose? Right, Like it's a quarterback can
only do so much.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Joe Burrow last year was the best quarterback in the
league statistically, could not make the playoffs. Right, he's overcoming
a chief owner. We don't know how great of a
coach Zach Taytor is. The old lines always banged up.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
So Darnald plus Kubiak. If you have an opening in
the NFL and.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
You don't bring in Koobiak because they're doing stuff JSN
is open all day and easy elite, how is that happening?
And I think Kubiak has a lot to do with
darn m Green Final story column. Let's go to the NBA.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Listen. You can't win.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Them all, Okay, The Dallas Mavericks are a total dumpster fire.
Things are going awful. Obviously, they made their change of
Cooper Flag. The rookie is not at point guard now.
They put Kay Thompson on the bench. Take a listen
to what our guy found here. A MAVs beat writer said,
the vibes are off in Dallas.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
Listen to this. What was your your prosession of the
vibe today?
Speaker 11 (30:54):
I mean they were move talk about prea, they playing
Marvin's Room. It just felt sad and dark and I
don't want to be dramatic, but like it just the
energy wasn't high.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
You know, I've been around.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
Some championship high school teams and you go in locker room.
The vibes are pretty high. I mean they're dancing, they're
playing music there. It's just it is a different type
of energy. They're laughing with each other, they're joking with
each other. The MAVs aren't doing that as much.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Any theories why things are suddenly gloomy and dark.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Well, it's just very early.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Oh really interesting. So who's the leader of this team?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
CoV that's a good question. They don't have one.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
They don't have leadership. Cooper Flag's eighteen. He's not walking
in there and tell them guys what to do. Klay
Thompson not a leader. He's got his own you know,
he's got dating a famous woman now and like that's
his story. Anthony Davis has never been an alpha leader. Right,
they don't have a leader.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
And without that, they're two and six. The vibes are dark,
Like who's that practice, Let's go Fellas and who who's
the hype guy, the energy guy?
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Maybe that's Kyrie when he comes back in five months.
I think it's over this season for now. I know
it's dramatic, Jason too early. You just watched them and
you're like, this is not a playoff team. Especially in
the Western Conference.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, you're probably not wrong. I mean I probably I
really like the front line. Cooper Flagg's had one bad game,
otherwise he's he's a good player.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
So remember all the talk over with Lebron and go
to the Mavericks, you know, play with Kyrie and no,
no shot. Lebron's on a winning team. The MAVs they're
not winning, by the way. Laker's dodged a bullet with
Klay Thompson. Remember how laker land out here. We gotta
get Klay, come on, bring him in.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
They got lucky. Everybody likes Clay Thompson. Nice guy.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
He's a great guy. So J Mack with a news.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Line Meyer last hour. J Max got his picks.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
You've had a very good year, by the way, So
uh that Mike Say had an earlier comment which I
totally agree with.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You start looking at the playoff pictures now it's NFC.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I buy AFC nonsense that Denver can't end up a
number one seed. Can't You cannot have more three and
out than the Titans and more punch than Cleveland and
be a number one seed.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
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Speaker 4 (33:51):
So right now, Denver.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
And that was an inartistic windy mess. Is the number
one seed in the af Seed, the conference of Mahall
and Josh Allen and Lamar and Herbert, and they lead
the NFL and punts. It's brutal. Here's Sean Payton discussing
last night's mess.
Speaker 12 (34:12):
So you're asking my comfortable as a coach, We're never satisfied.
If my answer were to you, I'm comfortable, that'd be silly.
Right now. You know, we're teams sitting at eight wins.
I think we're the only team sitting there, so and
yet we're constantly looking internally starting you know, But that
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was it was a tough night offensively obviously.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
So I I nothing looked good. So and this is
a number one offensive line in football according to PFFS,
so they're a number one seed. Next up Kansas City
Chiefs off of by all, take Kansas City regardless of
the line. Here's the current AFC playoff picture. So Denver's
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a number one seed. They only give out one buy
Now in each conference, seven seated Jags would take on
the Colts in Indianapolis the two seed. The third seeded
Patriots would host the sixth seeded Chargers, and then Buffalo
of five seed would host Pittsburgh a four seed. Now
(35:26):
nobody loves the Bolts Harbaugh Herbert like me, but they
don't have their offensive tackles. I don't think that works.
And I wouldn't trust the Jags to park my car.
And you can buy into the crypto Colts all go
with a real equity. So I'll put Kansas City to
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replace the Jags as a wild card team. I trust
Andy Reid, Mahomes and Spags the Ravens to replace the Chargers,
even though the records right now don't feel that way.
But and then I'll take Buffalo and Pittsburgh to remain
the same. I don't know what Pittsburgh is gonna do.
Let's just make these two moves. So then I believe
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the winners are Kansas City over the Colts, Baltimore over
New England, and Buffalo. So the road teams with the
Hall of Fame quarterbacks all win. Then Kansas City would
go to Denver and I would take Kansas City, and
I think I would take Josh Allen over Lamar, so
it would be Josh Allen and Mahomes again meeting for
(36:32):
the AFC Championship in Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Hold on, let me add something. So I got to
look this up just to make sure Colin that Chiefs
Colts game is interesting. Indianapolis should be at home. I
believe their defensive coordinator is Lou Amaruno is Yes, yeah, consent.
He's the one who hatched that great plan against Mahomes
(36:57):
in the playoffs when the Bengals took them down, and
now he adds Sauce Gardner to the mix.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
That's interest. That would be a good game.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
I think, you know, Kansas City probably would be favored
by three three.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
And a half if you go to the NFC playoff picture.
I mostly buy it. Maybe the Bears will sneak in.
But we said this before the year. The AFC is
better at the top, but it's middle and bottom looks
like the NBA Eastern Conference. The NFC doesn't have a
really bad bottom outside of like the Saints. I mean,
Carolina has got They just beat Green Bay at Lambeau.
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So the bottom of the end of Arizona just Clapper Dallas.
So when I look at the NFC playoff picture Philly, Tampa, Seattle,
Green Bay, Rams, Niners, Lions, Bears, there's stuff I like
about all those teams I even trusted. I think Chicago
at this point we know what they are. They're not
very good eventually. AFC, I think the culture a little overvalued.
(37:55):
They're more regular season than postseason team. New England's a
great story.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
They're gonna win a playoff game against an elite quarterback.
Pittsburgh's what Pittsburgh gets. Chargers all beat up. Don't trust
the Jags. So I think the AFC has got all
sorts of changes and the big dogs will come roaring
back in the next you know.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Eight weeks.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
But I'll tell you there's nothing that There's nobody in
the NFC outside of the Bears, who I think will change.
I think the Bears could end up like supplanting San
Francisco as a wild card team.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
I don't think the Bears are gonna win their division.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
We'll see if who comes back for the Niners. This
is fascinating coin Look at the top four of the
AFC and NFC. Okay, Broncos cold weather in January, outdoors,
colds Dome, Patriots, cold outside, Pittsburgh, cold outside, NFC Philly
cold outside in January, Tampa probably warmed.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
Seattle's gonna be cold. You know that's messy, messy.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Yeah, and Green Bay the tundra you better be able
to travel with that defense in run game is gonna
be huge in January.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, No, there's no question. It also shows you, and
this has been true forever. There's never been a dome
dynasty in the NFL. There's never been a warm weather dynasty.
Think about that, Cowboys, is that warm weather?
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Nineties?
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Dallas winters are cold.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's it's not When I say warm weather, I'm talking
La Florida, Arizona, all the Florida teams. New Orleans is
warm weather. AFC, AFC South, NFC South that right, but
there's never been the dynasties in my life. Are Pittsburgh outdoors?
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Okay, New England, Kansas City?
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Again, you could say, what about San Francisco here, what's
the old joke that the the coldest winner I ever
spent was the summer in San Francisco. So San Francisco's
foggy and can be you know, it could be cold.
I guess San Francisco would qualify as the warm weather
dynasty in the NFL. Well, but my point is this
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league is a Thanksgiving on league.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
It is a cold weather leave. Go back to bart Starr.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
I mean, go back all you want, you go back
to the Packers with Bart Starr. You know it just
it's been a lot of I mean, look at that.
If I said to you, best teams over the last
ten years in the NFL Baltimore, Green Bay, Kansas City,
New England. The Steelers have been very good, Seattle has
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been well run.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Even Peyton Manning with the dome in Indy could not
really generate.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
It unt anyway he got yeah, I mean he had
one Super Bowl in Indye. Yeah, So the disadvantage to
warm weather and dome you get very comfortable I can
remember the Dan FOUPs game. Dan Fouts was an amazing quarterback,
goes to Cincinnati. It's like nine degrees and all the
San Diego guys. But there is some value in playing
in crappy weather and having a rough, relentless, harsh media.
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Now I will say the rare discomfort League not a
comfort league.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
So this Rams team, because you know, this defense is
nasty and they have a run game and a great coach.
I think they can handle outdoor weather in junue. I
think the Rams will be okay, right, would you agree?
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (41:08):
Hurt also he could play in the Element.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
No, no, no, he did.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
But I think the point is if you look at
this last thirty four years in the NFL, these cold
weather December January decides this league, look at the teams
that continue to dominate the cold weather club.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
As a Jets fan, I got to look up Mendoza. Now,
can he play in cold weather?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Well?
Speaker 7 (41:28):
In me, he's our pick, he's our guy.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Pretty frigid.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
I think Mendoza and Dante Moore are going to go
one and two. That's my guess. Urban Meyer coming up
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It
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You know, Jmax. It is a weird year. Last year
it was a great year for the Joes, not the pros.
The favorites crushed. I've been on this for a few
years now that the bottom of the NFL is looking
like the bottom of the NBA is that it's not
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watchable and it's not competitive. That was never the case
years ago, but as the league has become more quarterback dependent,
that means offensive lines and quarterbacks and offensive coaches have
a greater impact. We're seeing ugly spreads and favorites are
holding serve a lot. And this week again, I like
a lot of favorites. It's a dead last week early games,
(01:28):
I took road favorites. I went to and all on
those and I thought these are bad picks. They worked out,
So here we go. Here's this week's blazing five.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Let's blaze it up. Fired up, It's Collins Blazon. Fuck
the Felkins at Colts.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I like the Colts in Berlin minus five and a half.
Don't overreact to the Steelers' loss. They lead the NFL
at six point three yards of play. They haven't lost
if Jonathan Taylor just russes for ninety yards, have the
number two total offense, and Daniel Jones on the road
had a stinker five turnovers against Pittsburgh. Even good quarterbacks
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have bad weekends. I love the Colts. I love what
Sauce Gardner does to the locker room. The Falcons are
on a three game losing streak. They've been out gained
in all of their games. They're the worst third down
team over the last two games, so they are regressing.
I think it's to bounce back for the Colts. I
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like Indy here, Atlanta's struggling to score. Indy to win
and cover thirty three twenty four Ravens and Vikings. I'm
gonna take the Ravens coming off extra rest averaging thirty
two a game when Lamar plays. I don't know if
you've noticed this. Lamar's having an unbelievable year. He'd be
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the MVP if he'd been healthy, and the defense in
three straight games now healthy, holding people under twenty points.
Lamar's averaging seventy three completion percentage this year in a
one to thirty seven passer rating.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
He's on fire.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
The Vikings have been out gained in back to back games,
including the win over Detroit, and they're allowing thirty a
game in.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Their last three games.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So again, a regressing Minnesota defense which is on the.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Field too long.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Lamar owns the NFC Ravens win and the Ravens cover.
It's an urgent week for Baltimore and next week in
the week after thirty to twenty.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Be more Patriots at Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I like the Bucks minus two and a half coming
off of buye and their right tackle returns their last
two wins have been by double digits. They're a very
good home team, twenty eight a game at home, getting
slightly healthier. My concern, though, is the Patriots, who have
played the easiest schedule in the league, and I think
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we're a little hot on a young New England team.
Drake May is getting sacked at an alarming rate. Watch
out Todd Bowles. Jmack knows this. He dials up the
blitzes he and Brian Flores as well as anybody. So
since week seven, Drake May is under duress. I like
the Bucks at home to win and cover twenty seven
(04:19):
to twenty three, Lions at Commanders. I don't think I've
ever taken four straight favorites. I'm gonna take the Lions.
Do not panic over the Minnesota loss. They had more yards,
they were better on third and fourth, better time of possession.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
They've won two of their last three.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Road games, and they were really last week in division
kind of pushed around. When good teams get pushed around,
it's an angry, focused week of practice. And they are
getting to the quarterback second in sacks only behind Denver
Commander's four game losing streak. No juice just lost Jayden
(04:58):
Daniels and they they only pressured Sam Darnold on three
of twenty four dropbacks. That's brutal. So Jared Goff is
going to have time to throw. Those interior O line
injuries have mostly been cleaned up. I like the Lions
to win. I like another favorite here thirty three twenty one.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Comfortably Steelers at Chargers.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm gonna take the underdog Steelers plus three. They're four
and oh this year when they hold their opponents under thirty. Well,
the Chargers don't have either Tackle Becton's hurt as well.
They have four key O line injuries. Aaron Rodgers one
hundred plus passer rating in four or five games, he's
found his rhythm. They really held Jonathan Taylor in check.
(05:48):
So the Chargers are gonna need to throw the ball
to win here. I don't think they'll run and be
overly dynamic running.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And I don't trust this O line.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Justin Herbert's got one plus picks in three straight games
because he's rushed. So I think the Steelers defense against
the Colts last week, they pushed.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Around that whole line and nobody had all year.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I'm gonna take the underdog Steelers so far is going
to be sixty forty Steeler fans, not a home field advantage.
Maybe seventy thirty Steeler fans. I got an upset twenty four,
twenty three Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers walk out with
a narrow win.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I don't like a lot of favorites I do this week.
J Mac, use restraint when bashing my picks.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
No, no, I actually am with you on a lot
of these. I would just be careful with that Bucks game.
Everybody likes Tampa Christian Gonzalez Ago Christian Gozalas versus Buca
should be fun overall.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
I don't hate the picks call. I mean, you're hot.
What can I say? You know when you're hot?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Not last week.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Mike Sandos, an NFL writer for the Athletic Selector for
the Pro Football Hall of Fame, So you know I was,
I said this great senior, Mike. I watched Bo Nicks
and he has regressed badly. And for young quarterbacks the
development is never lindear. They have bad stretches, bad games.
They can lose a coordinator. So I understand that, but
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there are I think he looks nervous. I think there's
he's trying to please Sean Payton. Sean Payton's then overcompensating,
over compensating on trying to help him.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
The rhythm is off.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I don't know, like I something feels off and wrong. Mike,
what do you hear and what do you see with that?
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah? I agree now.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
I do think one of the warnings you get from
veteran coaches says, hey, that second year can be tough.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Right, people adjust to you, they got the film on you.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
He had some success last year, so you're probably getting
people's plan a little bit more. I think so much
of him has been you know, he's a little bit
of an off scheduled quarterback sometimes, So you know, we're
dealing with that in a lot of markets where where's
the consistency when a big part of your game is
moving around And sometimes when you come into the league
early and moving around actually helps you, you know, you survive,
(08:10):
but it's not sustainable. We see Arizona's changing to changing
away from Kyler Murray because they feel like their offense
is going to be more consistent even with a backup
type quarterback like Jacoby Brissett, and they can run their
offense so I think there's some of that. You would
think that you know, Sean Payton would be the perfect
person to get the best out of him. But this
has to be the least impressive seven game winning streak
(08:33):
that we've ever seen. It's like, how have they done it?
It does not look sustainable at all.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, so let's go to Caleb Williams. I had said
this earlier. Sometimes we zero in on stuff and we
don't take a step back. And if I think most
Bear fans, even Ben Johnson, if you have said, listen
through eight weeks, you'll lead the NFL in big plays,
your fourth in yards per play, and you have a
winning record, I think Ben Jonson would have said, I'm
signing up for the based on last year. But if
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you watch every play, and if you listen to Chicago
Sports Radio, there's a lot of anxiety it might take
his folks. There's a lot of the dynamic stuff is landing.
Where are you on Caleb and Ben and that relationship.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
Well, the thing I look at is he's on a
historic high average time to throw or sack three point
six seconds per play. That's not where it's at for
Ben Johnson. So I think it's a stressful way for.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Him to play.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
I give them credit.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
I think that it's you know, look, this could have
been a disaster possibly, or we could be talking about
every week like it's not working.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
I don't think we're doing that.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
But when you talk about the long term sustainability and
really maximizing this player in this system, I.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Still have those question marks.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
Although I will say to hey, the Sacks, you know,
is not the story every week, and he's not killing
the killing it that way, so and his completion percentage
has not falling way off. It's about the same. It's
kind of interesting to me that he's like a waiting Sacks,
holding the ball forever completely, not like he's throwing them
all away.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
So it's kind of working.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
I just I still need to see long term, you
know how if there's going to be a lot of
growth or is I think there's still a lot of
inconsistency there.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting, Mike, he's never thrown picks,
high school, college pros. He doesn't throw picks. So he
holds the ball and I think that psychology within him
is Listen, I'm not going to throw a pick. I'll
hold it a little longer because I can escape, I
can move my feet, so he doesn't get you in
a lot of trouble. There's not a ton of three
and outs. He doesn't throw a lot of picks. It's
(10:37):
just to your point, the rhythm is off, the operational
part of it's a little clunky, right.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm going to look at this too, because
I think one of the fears, even I knew a
couple of guys, you know, in the scouting realm who
had some concerns about him being off schedule to the
point that you're playing behind the sticks a fair amount,
you know.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
And I think like for Seattle when they had R.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
Russell Wilson, that worked for a while because he was
a magician. I mean he was. The positives were so amazing,
and pretty early in his career downfield throws, the accuracy,
he made it work. In fact, once his legs wins,
he couldn't do it anymore. And I haven't necessarily seen
that enough consistent outside. I do think it's amazing that
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the exposed to play things, so that's positive. I think
I'm generally I feel better about it now than I
did the day after that big article came out saying
is it going to be a disaster. Remember that, you know,
everybody hated Caleb Williams that was there last year. So
I feel better about it now than I could have,
but still probably need to see more.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, listen the JJ McCarthy thing I said before, I
love all the ingredients. I love the coach, the left tackle,
the receivers. I like the organization. I don't know if
we have the right chef. JJ McCarthy thing. I didn't
love him out of Michigan. I didn't see a wow trade.
I'm always so reluctant to embrace this term.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
He a winner.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Danny Wirfol was a winner. That doesn't mean anything to me.
You got to give me traite size arm movement.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
If you start taking out his two best quarters, his
passer ratings thirty seven. Now the next four weeks, it's Lamar,
it's Darnold, it's Jordan Loves. The truth is going to
come out here. What do you see and what do
you hear on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 8 (12:23):
Well, it's nice to see something that he actually played
the game. You know, I think that's been the biggest
problem is he hasn't been out there, and I think
you know, some of those concerns that were sort of
boiling underneath the surface about you know, is he ready
to lead the team and all of that. I mean
that just grew until he could finally play. So I
have not been overly impressed. I love the end of
the game against Detroit. I mean, throwing a back shoulder
(12:45):
ball more than fifteen yards down the field to ice
the game is not typically done in those situations, so
I thought that was a nice bit of confidence. But
he had fourteen completions. Some of the other stuff, the
hey alter ego stuff like, to me, got to play
well for a while before I stop thinking that's kind
of corny, do you know what I mean? You got
to like there's too much of that. I feel like
(13:06):
there's been too much effort by the organization and the
people around him to make it seem like it's like they're.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Excited about it. Didn't you sense that off season at all? Yes, Oh, oh,
this guy.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
It's been like a campaign to convince us, and I
just want to see it and I'm not buying it
until I see more of it. That's just kind of
where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, So the AFC playoff picture, I told the staff
this morning I don't buy it. Literally, Denver is a
number one seed and leads the NFL in three and
outs in punts.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
It's not going to last.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I look at it and I said, I'm still going
mahomes Lamar Josh Allen, I don't care. I look at
it right now here, it is right now. I told
them Jacksonville's not making it. Kansas City is and they'll
beat the Colts. The Chargers don't have the they don't
have their tackles. Nobody loves hardball more than me and Herbert.
They're not making it. Put Baltimore in there. They're beating
(14:02):
Drake May and I'll take Buffalo over whoever. But I
look at the AFC playoff picture right now, there's no
way that's what it is in two months.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Right totally.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
I didn't my pick six Calm on Monday restacking the AFC,
and I put him in two buckets. The consensus favors
before the year, Kansas City, Buffalo and Baltimore have those
three teams have the worst record to this point in
the season.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
They're like fourteen and eleven.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Then they've had since like Josh was a rookie and
LeVar was not even a starter, right, So it's totally
different in terms of what their record is. But it
would have to get a lot worse for me to
come off of those teams like Baltimore is only three
and five. It's not there one in five anymore. So
I'm with you totally. I don't think a lot has
changed now. I do understand, though, I'll say this, I
(14:51):
think there's enough of an opening for a team like
in Indie to actually think we have a chance on
let's make a push, right.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I think that's so it's different.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
We don't feel like any one of those teams is
necessarily consistently great or unbeatable at the top.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You know, there were stories out there that Tom Brady
was not hot on Sam Darnold, and there were stories
that they wanted Matt Stafford, but Matt Matt wanted to
stay in LA and it was a smart choice. Yeah,
So they pursued Gino. So so Pete Carroll had a
year out of the NFL to modernize reflect take stock,
(15:28):
and they paid him sixty six million guaranteed and gave
up a third round pick. Jamac asked this earlier, could
this be a one and done for Gino?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And Pete. I mean, it's just nothing is working. Mike.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
I always wonder, like, you know, can a top coach
overcome BA ownership?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
You know, how does that work? And how much is
the ownership better with Brady there.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
I thought about that too, because Pete's going to be
seventy five going in the next season. If the takeaway
from this year is that we're a three year plan?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Away?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Is that for Pete?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Now?
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Do you fire a Pete Carroll after one year? To me,
it would really have to be like they had a
game this year they played the Colts. They got out
scored forty to nothing in the second and third quarters.
If that type of thing is happening, then I think
anybody isn't coming back right that no one survives that
when you're just totally incompetitive. The game the other night
was just so ugly, but they were at least there.
(16:21):
It wasn't like they were losing thirty to nothing. So
I would think Pete, it's more time. It has just
felt a little weird to me the way it came together,
where it's like Chip Kelly probably wouldn't have been Peach's choice.
Patrick Graham was already there, probably wouldn't have been his choice.
I kind of agreed with that, because you don't what
pege is getting the band back together with a bunch
(16:42):
of guys that need Pete to have a job necessarily.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
But I'm not sure how like think of it this way.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
When you're a head coach and your calling card is
changing the culture, It's not like Pete Carroll's coming in
and bringing a differentiating offense or defense. Right, You're not
getting an advantage through that scheme like you might with
Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan. You're really relying on the
culture to turn. Number one, can you turn a culture
of a bad organization? And number two? How long does
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that take to happen? Like think about Dan Campbell was
four nineteen and one and he had Jared Goff, who's
a good pro quarterback, right, and then he finally kind
of hit it with Ben Johnson. But like, does anyone
think that they're going to wait that long? Is this
a five year plan with Pete to get every aspect
of the building? I think they need to start to
see it to turn this year, and if he makes it,
(17:32):
it's got to turn by the middle of the next year.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, Mike Sando, Senior writer. The athletic on a Friday
is the temperature's cool in the nation, and the aviation
forecast is not great. Stay out of airports America.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Mike, it's great seeing you.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Great seeing you. Appreciated Colin all right, Mike does terrific work.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah, I don't. It's an interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Idea by you, is that it is it's hard to
turn around the culture. I mean, the reason Harbaugh took
the Chargers job was Herbert, right, Like, that's why you
take the job. Obviously, it doesn't matter who the owner
is that you bring your band. You bring the band.
Dean Spanos now in LA with so far his huge
game day revenue. The money's good, you go for Herbert,
(18:24):
you know. That's why we have said for years we
know Sean McDermott's a good coach, but if they get
bounced in the first round, that's the best job in
the NFL. So it's most of the great quarterbacks right
now have good enough coaches. The Raiders, we don't know
if it's the coach. The quarterback ownership's not great. There's money.
(18:44):
It's just hard to turn this stuff around. I mean again,
you can do it if you land a Josh in
the draft or Harball lands a Herbert in his move.
It's just if you don't have the quarterback right and
you've got to rebuild the culture.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
It looks like the Raiders.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Well it's funny.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
After I said that on social media, guys coming after me,
Hey j Mack, you want to keep Aaron Glenn, but
you want to run off Pete Carroll.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
And I said, well, those are different things.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Pete Carroll's a veteran coach, right coming into a Raiders
team that I don't know they were like maybe a
seven eight nine wins. Yeah, we thought so, and he
kind of handpicked his quarterback. Aaron Glenn got hey, this
is you. You can bring in justin fields.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
You can do it.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I'm giving Aaron Glenn, a first time head coach, a chance.
I just wonder if Pete Carroll's the right fit there.
I mean, you know, Chip Kelly, we like a lot,
you know, we know the ownership group is some smart people.
I just don't know how they landed on Gino Smith
of all people, because Colin he looked shot, yeah, no.
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Speaker 4 (20:21):
Urban Meyer next hour.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'm still telling you there's the Lincoln Riley stuff at USC.
Penn State might be interested. Keep your eye on Lane Kiffin.
What is working in the NFL right now? Is young
offensive guys. They're working AFC, NFC. You can bounce around
the SEC.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Wait, so is link taking the LSU job, the Penn
State job, mimy Miami Dolphins. Okay, boy, Lane Kiffin's the
bell of the ball this month.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I mean he's he's been Listen, don't blame the Raiders
on him. That was Al Davis in Twilight Years and
at USC again. Find all the UFC coaches that are
winning since Pete Carroll, Sark Kiffin, Clay Lincoln, where all
the wins.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
It's more about like just is it because is some
of the Jackson Dart looks really.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Good in the NFL or better than everybody thought?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Is it?
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Old miss?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
He's got a kid now, Trinidad Chambliss, the quarterback. I
think he's great now he's undersize. I text five GMS
this weekend, and you know they were all kind of
like his size is a concern, his quarterbacks, his offense
work all.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I know. You know what's funny about this.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
In recruiting, offensive players at a high school or transfer
portal will follow a coach. Defensive players, the great five
star guys they want to go to Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan,
they want to go to the big programs. They're not
as driven to go to a coach. Offensive guys will
follow the coach. They'll follow Lane right, so he'll always
(21:52):
succeed in college. Lane will always have good offenses because quarterbacks, receivers, backs,
left tackles. Offensive players follow the coach more than defensive players.
Now in the NFL, obviously, that dynamic changes you're drafting
them they're not choosing you. So maybe he's just built
for college because Lane's young, good looking guy, big personality,
(22:15):
and in the college level he's got a pied piper effect.
He can get those those transfer guys they want they
want to play for lanth and they should.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I look at the who he's answering to at Ole
miss nobody, it's Lane's show. Nobody tells them what to do.
At LSU, it's I believe the governor of the state
right now. No, you're right, okay, The Miami Dolphins Stephen Ross,
you know him as an owner. Look at his history.
It ain't great. And then the New York Giants, who
are a bit of a dog.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Would you ask yourself these are good point.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
I want to kill the kill the Giants.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I would rather coach in the NFL than college because
I just would get tired of having to tell every player.
It's like being a late night host, Like you're Jimmy Kimmel.
You have to fake that you care about some crappy
third line actress or actor on a show you'd know
watch late night TV.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Is just faking it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
You very rarely get Chris rock On or Seinfeld or
Dave Chappelle, like, that's a great guest. You get them
like four times a year, or a great like Bradley Cooper.
It's mostly second third tier people you gotta fake. So
in college recruiting you have to. Basically you're constantly like, oh,
I love you, You're my favorite to eighteen year olds
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I draft you. I like you.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It doesn't work. I cut you. It's more bottom line,
I'd rather coach NFL than college. You say that, but
then we've got all these meddaling owners.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Colin who Woody Johnson goes and blast Justin Fields.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
The week of the game Justin Fields.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
And shows up and is great, and you're like, what
is Woody Johnson talking about? Do you want your owner
coming into meetings and meddling. I mean, look at the
Carolina Panthers owner the last few years. Now he's simmer
down this season, Like, do you want to deal with that?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Well, I would rather think I would rather deal with
one impulsive billionaire than seven needy boosters, an overwhelmed athletic director,
and the NCAA nonsense all deal good question.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
With one impulsive rich guy.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'll talk him off the ledge Twice a year when
you deal with a lot of rich guys, you know,
I don't.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I don't, I don't. I don't know what they're like.
I just can make fun of one the ender. My
friends are oppressed and living on peanut riddle. But the
point is, I'd rather deal with one one thing than
a bunch of things.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Joey baggat Donuts, who's coming in?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I'm got every car dealer in town and guys that
sell sofas at discount?
Speaker 6 (24:30):
Hey, what about but don't buy the kid again? I
don't know, And I'd love to ask Lane. You take
one of these car.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Dealers out to a dinner and they're just thrilled.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
They're on cloud nine for a month. That's it, and
you're good, Hey, thank you for the input, you know,
and you just win on Sunday and your owner is
good Saturday.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yeah. Oh well, yeah, that's tough. It's not easy.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Do you want needy boosters and needy administrators or.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Do you want to just be like a radio host
in you you know, you just whatever?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I mean, Belichick's like Robert Kraft A lot of times.
The coaches are I mean, Andy Reid gets along with
Jeffrey Lourie, amahont family.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
The he's out of it.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
You have it in.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Belichick's grumpy. He's like Robert Robert Kraft's a top four owner.
You're complaining about Robert Kraft. That's a tough owner. Belichick
doesn't want anybody, not Not all owners are created equal.
Cleveland Brown's what's going on with that owner?
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Like there's just some team like I'd rather coach in
colleague Penn State's probably a better job than you know,
probably a third of NFL jobs, given how crazy and
wacky these.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Billions, you want to be recruiting small town A thirteenth
apple Pie Slice of the Week.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
I love apple pie. I'll eat apple pie six days
a week if I get.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
To just schmooze with Jmack with a news No, no,
turn on the news.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
This is the headline news, all right. So this one
is interesting. Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
You know, I've stopped beating up on him after he
got that one over the Colts.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Very strange situation this week.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
So Rogers talked about an alleged team bonding of event
that he was invited to, right, and then he shows
up and he's the only player there.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Listen to this colin.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
Him invited me to a movie night a while back,
and I said it was a big team function.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
I showed up.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
I was the only player there, and.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
On a Tuesday night too.
Speaker 10 (26:17):
It was just like we had an early Wednesday morning
the quarterbacks with our meeting with Mike. So I was like,
I love, you know, team bonding, chemistry stuff. I show up,
I see him and his son col and we have
to know during training camp. I'm like, oh cool, yeah,
of course camps here.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I'm looking around.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I go, where's it? But he so then he texted
me a.
Speaker 10 (26:37):
Couple of nights ago said there was something on Monday night,
and I said, is this gonna be like the last one?
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Okay, so is this something? Nothing is?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Rogers ain't get on chain here? I like that he
tells a story that's kind of funny.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
So is it just.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Cam Hayward's older? Is he inviting guys over and all
the young guys are like, we're good, we got we got,
we got a night off. We're not hanging with the
old boy.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
That's why I don't invite you guys over to my place.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'll get the same kind of treatment you guys all
go to night clubs and New night clubs. These guys
go to music venues and night clubs and dance clubs,
and I go to bowling alley.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
You're hanging out a cigar lounges.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Well, I mean, I go, I'm in.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I'm literally playing with the dogs at five forty five
the other night during uh it was Monday night football,
so Chicago's central time zone LA Pacific, And so I'm
sitting there and I'm watching the Monday night football game,
and I'm I'm getting tired, and I'm kind of battling
a flu. I'm like, I'm gonna get into bed. And
I looked down. It was five point fifty four, and
(27:32):
I'm like, I wanted to take magnesium and shut it.
And I had to watch the Monday night football game.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Those those Midwest winters hit hard. How you hold it up, buddy?
Let's move on. Hey, well, let'll get you happy with
this one. Sam Darnold your guy. You can't stop talking
about it. Oh, he's the best quarterback in.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
The league this year.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
That's undeniable. He had seventeen straight completions against one.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
That was the best half of football by any quarterback
this decade.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
NFL analyst Hugh Millan believes that one of the keys
to Darnold's success has been his ability to manipulate the
defense with his eyes and smoking the ball into those
tiny windows.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Your thoughts, I know you, and I think he's right.
I think Sam's really grown. I think we forget how
young Sam was with the Jets, so he was twenty
one years old. The Jets are dysfunctional. But and it
also Sam's also helped that this general manager, John Snyder,
this roster's really good. They got their left tackle, they
(28:30):
got their interior offensive linemen, they now got three receivers.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
It's a really good roster.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
When you watch them against Washington, I made this comment,
it looked like a it was Ohio State against Purdue.
It looked like an unfair fight. They are so long, strong,
they're so nimble. They're just they draft really well. They
don't miss. They don't miss much in drafts.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
So we're talking about coaches and hot hot coaches.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Is Sam Darnald looking different and better because of Clint Kubiak? Now,
remember he's the OC last year Colin, You remember when
the New Orleans Saints started two and oh, they scored
like ninety points if Kubiak was there, Kubiak was the.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Guy, then it did. It went sideways, but Carr was hurt.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
I just wonder if Kubiak's been so good for Donald
that maybe he starts getting some looks in interviews with Donald.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Has now succeeded in his life with Clay Helton, Kevin o'cutia,
Kevin O'Connell. When you start succeeding with three different sets
of it's not all that.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
But how about this Kubiak Before he was with Seattle,
it was the Saints before that San Francisco fourteen nine ers.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Well that's where Donald, Yeah, Donald, you know, Shanahan's the
one that never quit on Donald after, you know, bouncing
around the league. McVeigh liked Baker, remember he brought him
to LA mcvay's like, no Baker can play. That's why
you have to be careful as a fan. You know,
when a quarterback's losing and say, well, let's contextualize it.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Why is he lose? Right, Like it's a quarterback can
only do so much.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Joe Burrow last year was the best quarterback in the
league statistically, could not make the playoffs. Right, he's overcoming
a chief owner. We don't know how great of a
coach Zach Taytor is. The old lines always banged up.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
So Darnald plus Kubiak. If you have an opening in
the NFL and.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
You don't bring in Koobiak because they're doing stuff JSN
is open all day and easy elite, how is that happening?
And I think Kubiak has a lot to do with
darn m Green Final story column. Let's go to the NBA.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Listen. You can't win.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Them all, Okay, The Dallas Mavericks are a total dumpster fire.
Things are going awful. Obviously, they made their change of
Cooper Flag. The rookie is not at point guard now.
They put Kay Thompson on the bench. Take a listen
to what our guy found here. A MAVs beat writer said,
the vibes are off in Dallas.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
Listen to this. What was your your prosession of the
vibe today?
Speaker 11 (30:54):
I mean they were move talk about prea, they playing
Marvin's Room. It just felt sad and dark and I
don't want to be dramatic, but like it just the
energy wasn't high.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
You know, I've been around.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
Some championship high school teams and you go in locker room.
The vibes are pretty high. I mean they're dancing, they're
playing music there. It's just it is a different type
of energy. They're laughing with each other, they're joking with
each other. The MAVs aren't doing that as much.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Any theories why things are suddenly gloomy and dark.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Well, it's just very early.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Oh really interesting. So who's the leader of this team?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
CoV that's a good question. They don't have one.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
They don't have leadership. Cooper Flag's eighteen. He's not walking
in there and tell them guys what to do. Klay
Thompson not a leader. He's got his own you know,
he's got dating a famous woman now and like that's
his story. Anthony Davis has never been an alpha leader. Right,
they don't have a leader.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
And without that, they're two and six. The vibes are dark,
Like who's that practice, Let's go Fellas and who who's
the hype guy, the energy guy?
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Maybe that's Kyrie when he comes back in five months.
I think it's over this season for now. I know
it's dramatic, Jason too early. You just watched them and
you're like, this is not a playoff team. Especially in
the Western Conference.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, you're probably not wrong. I mean I probably I
really like the front line. Cooper Flagg's had one bad game,
otherwise he's he's a good player.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
So remember all the talk over with Lebron and go
to the Mavericks, you know, play with Kyrie and no,
no shot. Lebron's on a winning team. The MAVs they're
not winning, by the way. Laker's dodged a bullet with
Klay Thompson. Remember how laker land out here. We gotta
get Klay, come on, bring him in.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
They got lucky. Everybody likes Clay Thompson. Nice guy.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
He's a great guy. So J Mack with a news.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Line Meyer last hour. J Max got his picks.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
You've had a very good year, by the way, So
uh that Mike Say had an earlier comment which I
totally agree with.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You start looking at the playoff pictures now it's NFC.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I buy AFC nonsense that Denver can't end up a
number one seed. Can't You cannot have more three and
out than the Titans and more punch than Cleveland and
be a number one seed.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
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Speaker 4 (33:51):
So right now, Denver.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
And that was an inartistic windy mess. Is the number
one seed in the af Seed, the conference of Mahall
and Josh Allen and Lamar and Herbert, and they lead
the NFL and punts. It's brutal. Here's Sean Payton discussing
last night's mess.
Speaker 12 (34:12):
So you're asking my comfortable as a coach, We're never satisfied.
If my answer were to you, I'm comfortable, that'd be silly.
Right now. You know, we're teams sitting at eight wins.
I think we're the only team sitting there, so and
yet we're constantly looking internally starting you know, But that
(34:36):
was it was a tough night offensively obviously.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
So I I nothing looked good. So and this is
a number one offensive line in football according to PFFS,
so they're a number one seed. Next up Kansas City
Chiefs off of by all, take Kansas City regardless of
the line. Here's the current AFC playoff picture. So Denver's
(35:02):
a number one seed. They only give out one buy
Now in each conference, seven seated Jags would take on
the Colts in Indianapolis the two seed. The third seeded
Patriots would host the sixth seeded Chargers, and then Buffalo
of five seed would host Pittsburgh a four seed. Now
(35:26):
nobody loves the Bolts Harbaugh Herbert like me, but they
don't have their offensive tackles. I don't think that works.
And I wouldn't trust the Jags to park my car.
And you can buy into the crypto Colts all go
with a real equity. So I'll put Kansas City to
(35:47):
replace the Jags as a wild card team. I trust
Andy Reid, Mahomes and Spags the Ravens to replace the Chargers,
even though the records right now don't feel that way.
But and then I'll take Buffalo and Pittsburgh to remain
the same. I don't know what Pittsburgh is gonna do.
Let's just make these two moves. So then I believe
(36:11):
the winners are Kansas City over the Colts, Baltimore over
New England, and Buffalo. So the road teams with the
Hall of Fame quarterbacks all win. Then Kansas City would
go to Denver and I would take Kansas City, and
I think I would take Josh Allen over Lamar, so
it would be Josh Allen and Mahomes again meeting for
(36:32):
the AFC Championship in Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Hold on, let me add something. So I got to
look this up just to make sure Colin that Chiefs
Colts game is interesting. Indianapolis should be at home. I
believe their defensive coordinator is Lou Amaruno is Yes, yeah, consent.
He's the one who hatched that great plan against Mahomes
(36:57):
in the playoffs when the Bengals took them down, and
now he adds Sauce Gardner to the mix.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
That's interest. That would be a good game.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
I think, you know, Kansas City probably would be favored
by three three.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
And a half if you go to the NFC playoff picture.
I mostly buy it. Maybe the Bears will sneak in.
But we said this before the year. The AFC is
better at the top, but it's middle and bottom looks
like the NBA Eastern Conference. The NFC doesn't have a
really bad bottom outside of like the Saints. I mean,
Carolina has got They just beat Green Bay at Lambeau.
(37:32):
So the bottom of the end of Arizona just Clapper Dallas.
So when I look at the NFC playoff picture Philly, Tampa, Seattle,
Green Bay, Rams, Niners, Lions, Bears, there's stuff I like
about all those teams I even trusted. I think Chicago
at this point we know what they are. They're not
very good eventually. AFC, I think the culture a little overvalued.
(37:55):
They're more regular season than postseason team. New England's a
great story.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
They're gonna win a playoff game against an elite quarterback.
Pittsburgh's what Pittsburgh gets. Chargers all beat up. Don't trust
the Jags. So I think the AFC has got all
sorts of changes and the big dogs will come roaring
back in the next you know.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Eight weeks.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
But I'll tell you there's nothing that There's nobody in
the NFC outside of the Bears, who I think will change.
I think the Bears could end up like supplanting San
Francisco as a wild card team.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
I don't think the Bears are gonna win their division.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
We'll see if who comes back for the Niners. This
is fascinating coin Look at the top four of the
AFC and NFC. Okay, Broncos cold weather in January, outdoors,
colds Dome, Patriots, cold outside, Pittsburgh, cold outside, NFC Philly
cold outside in January, Tampa probably warmed.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
Seattle's gonna be cold. You know that's messy, messy.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Yeah, and Green Bay the tundra you better be able
to travel with that defense in run game is gonna
be huge in January.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, No, there's no question. It also shows you, and
this has been true forever. There's never been a dome
dynasty in the NFL. There's never been a warm weather dynasty.
Think about that, Cowboys, is that warm weather?
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Nineties?
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Dallas winters are cold.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's it's not When I say warm weather, I'm talking
La Florida, Arizona, all the Florida teams. New Orleans is
warm weather. AFC, AFC South, NFC South that right, but
there's never been the dynasties in my life. Are Pittsburgh outdoors?
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Okay, New England, Kansas City?
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Again, you could say, what about San Francisco here, what's
the old joke that the the coldest winner I ever
spent was the summer in San Francisco. So San Francisco's
foggy and can be you know, it could be cold.
I guess San Francisco would qualify as the warm weather
dynasty in the NFL. Well, but my point is this
(40:02):
league is a Thanksgiving on league.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
It is a cold weather leave. Go back to bart Starr.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
I mean, go back all you want, you go back
to the Packers with Bart Starr. You know it just
it's been a lot of I mean, look at that.
If I said to you, best teams over the last
ten years in the NFL Baltimore, Green Bay, Kansas City,
New England. The Steelers have been very good, Seattle has
(40:28):
been well run.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Even Peyton Manning with the dome in Indy could not
really generate.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
It unt anyway he got yeah, I mean he had
one Super Bowl in Indye. Yeah, So the disadvantage to
warm weather and dome you get very comfortable I can
remember the Dan FOUPs game. Dan Fouts was an amazing quarterback,
goes to Cincinnati. It's like nine degrees and all the
San Diego guys. But there is some value in playing
in crappy weather and having a rough, relentless, harsh media.
(40:55):
Now I will say the rare discomfort League not a
comfort league.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
So this Rams team, because you know, this defense is
nasty and they have a run game and a great coach.
I think they can handle outdoor weather in junue. I
think the Rams will be okay, right, would you agree?
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (41:08):
Hurt also he could play in the Element.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
No, no, no, he did.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
But I think the point is if you look at
this last thirty four years in the NFL, these cold
weather December January decides this league, look at the teams
that continue to dominate the cold weather club.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
As a Jets fan, I got to look up Mendoza. Now,
can he play in cold weather?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Well?
Speaker 7 (41:28):
In me, he's our pick, he's our guy.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Pretty frigid.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
I think Mendoza and Dante Moore are going to go
one and two. That's my guess. Urban Meyer coming up
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