FantasyPros - The Biggest Fantasy Football Questions For Each Team in Week 10 (Ep. 1829) - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Ryan Warmley, joined as I am every Friday by Derek
Brown and Pat fitz Morris.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We are talking our week ten key questions. I've been
saying it all week. We are into the double digits.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
We are trying to answer some key questions before this
week to help everybody really.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Make a playoff push.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
You got, like, you know, four ish weeks, five ish
weeks putting the league you're in before you gotta lock
up that playoff spot. So we're gonna do our best
that we can to help you all this week and
every week. Quick reminder, all of our weekly consensus rankings
and tiers can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings.
Also a reminder for everybody, we've been talking about it
all week. The teams on by, the Bengals, the Cowboys,

(00:43):
the Chiefs, and the Titans. Lots of good players, lots
of bad defenses that we like going against, So going
to make for a slightly tougher week than usual. Even
with just in air quotes. Four teams on by, it's
still a lot, but not quite six. Still a lot
of good teams there. Again, that's Cincinnati, Dallas, Kansas City,
and Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Fits.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Let's start off right at the very top, and we
have another. I was gonna say London game. It's a
Europe game. It's in Germany and Berlin this week Falcons Colts.
I thought, you know not, I thought I hoped we
were done with these super early games. We've got one
more on the slate this season. A couple good teams, though,
at least a couple of interesting teams for fantasy. I
want to talk about the two best players on these

(01:23):
teams though, Jonathan Taylor and John Robinson. We had a
question about them last week or two weeks ago, right rather,
and we are sitting here with them coming off of
a couple of bad games again. Now Bijon made up
for it a bit in the passing game, but they
rushed for forty five and forty six yards respectively in
Week nine.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
So fit's starting with you.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Between Taylor and Robinson, two of the three best running
backs in fantasy, who is a better chance of bouncing
back this week?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I think it's Taylor for three reasons. One, the Colts
are favored by six and a half points on hard
rock bats, so Taylor and the Cults are more likely
to ever run friendly game script.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Two.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Taylor is the better matchup. Falcons are giving up one
hundred point five rushing yards per game to running backs.
The Colts are only giving up seventy point one rushing
yards per game to running backs. Three. Taylor gets greater
rushing volume than Bijon. He's averaging seventeen point four carries
a game. Bijon has only had fourteen point eight carries
a game, mostly because the Falcons have a second back

(02:18):
they like, Tyler al jiis sixty three carries this year.
Colts running backs other than Jonathan Taylor collectively have thirty
one carries.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Deebro, what do you think, because you know Taylor might
have more of the rushing equity, of course, with Bijeon
is getting the work in the passing game to kind
of close that gap of it. Who do you think
bounces back this week more so?

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, I'm gonna agree with FITZI and just more on
the matchup. I mean, the Atlanta Falcons run defense since
Week five. I mean, outside of rushing yards, they have
the seventh lowest stuff rate and they're allowing the eleventh
highest yards of the contact per attempt. Like, if you
juxtapose that with the Colts rushing defense in the same stats,
they have the eighth highest stuff rate and they have
allowed the ninth lowest yards of the contact per attempt.

(02:59):
So yeah, I think the is easily jt Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I didn't have a lot in this game, just because
a lot of the guys, especially on Atlanta, are you know,
very easy start sit decisions for the most part the
quotes to some degree. The one guy that I do
want to follow up on. I didn't put this in
the sheet, but I know you will be prepared to
talk about this dero because you've been talking about it
all week is Alec Pierce, and it's it's something that
has become ralial conversation in the last few weeks. You know,

(03:23):
this type of defense that he's playing, and this is
a particularly good matchup for him. So you just want to,
you know, kind of wrap up this game by talking
a bit about Pierce.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah, man, I mean, look, I've been talking about it
for the last few weeks. It's Alec Pierce feeding families
versus single high coverage, and he's gonna do it again
this week. Man. Like Atlanta runs the top three route
rate of single High and Alec Pierce has put up
elite wide receiver one numbers, And I want to be
very specific when I talk about this. He has put
up elite per route wide receiver one numbers against single

(03:53):
high coverage like this guy versus single High as a
twenty seven percent target share, three point six nine yards
per route run and a thirty two percent first reach. Here,
those are Jamar Chase level numbers on a per route
basis versus Single High. Just to fully like lay out
the context for people here.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
It's like Pierce has just generally been really good this year.
He's aving like over seventy yards a game and he
is averaging I think over his last three games over
ninety yards a game.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
So he's just like, yes, single High expect him to smash,
but in other matchups two, Like, I think Alec Pierce
is starting to build more of a floor than we're
used to.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
It fitsy. I got a real quick question here because
he is finished as a top twenty four wide receiver
and two of the last three games. He's a guy
I'm struggling with, like where do you rank him this week? Like?
How high is too high for Alk Pierce because with
all the teams on by a lot of really really
good we're thinn at wide receiver this week, and I'm like,
I keep nudging him up the ranks, man, And I'm like,

(04:59):
is it like Alex Peers versus Ted Roy McMillan is
a real conversation, Like is it too high to push
him up that high in the top twenty four?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
I've got him wide receiver twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Okay, I'm at twenty seven. I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
So hey, the guys ahead of him, you could make
a case that he like right now, I've got him
right behind Quenton Johnston and Jordan Addison. I wouldn't have
an issue with moving either of those guys past or
behind Pierce.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Like I mean, Alex Peers versus DK metcalf is a
real conversation too. People may not be ready to have that,
but for this week, it.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Is just to provide some context. He's not ranked in
that range in consensus. He's in the mid thirties. He's
at wide receiver thirty four. That is, these have a
couple of the guys that played on Thursday Night in there,
so really it's more like wide receiver thirty two of
the guys remaining. But he's not up in that conversation
with guys like ted Ro macmillan and DK Metcalf in

(05:54):
terms of how the consensus hasn't ranked. That's in half
PPR scoring, So you guys are definitely ahead of consensus
on that. And by the way, I very intentionally did
not ask you anything about the game last night.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I could not have lessened that.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I had to hold my eyeballs in my sockets because
they wanted to jump out of my skull and leave
the room.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Oh man, it was just a nasty game. And I
think this more goes back to the volatility of I
said this a few weeks ago. Bo Nix has regressed
so much from.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
His rookie season, Like it is he's.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Not only just matchup sensitive, like the volatility. And I
said this out on social media a few weeks ago.
And then he goes out and has like a like
goes ham in a fourth quarter and people are like, oh, really,
oh you think that, And I'm like, yeah, I think that.
Like fine, he had like the amazing quarter, and it's like,
have you looked at the rest of his season, Like
he's been a roller Coaster.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Man, it made me think of it.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
I actually tweeted this before to the Fantasy pros ac
count like years ago, and people got mad that it
was an inappropriate meme, so I didn't do it again.
But it made me think of the meme with Jeffrey
Dahmer where he's like, we're gonna hang out and he's
like pointed the TV.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
We're gonnat this and then you can leave.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
And I'm like, I feel like I'm being forced to
watch this game when I don't want to against my will.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
It just was like, I mean hard. I mean, it's
one of those games.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's like Colts Broncos from a couple of years ago,
where it's like you will remember this game for how
bad it was.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
So I've started a tradition trying to just keep myself
saying healthy and energetic, and a lot of Thursday nights
like part of the game, I'm going to the gym.
There's a lot of Thursday nights where I'm like, man,
I really don't want to go. I want to watch
the game. Didn't feel like that last night, didn't feel
like that at all, didn't like I missed anything.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well, let's go to a game. That has the chance
to be pretty ugly. Also, Saints at Panthers Tedero McMillan
has been under fifty yards receiving in three of his
last four weeks, and he still has only scored a
touchdown in one game this season. He of course has two,
they both came in the same game, so every other
game he has zero. ECR still has him just outside
the top twenty among receivers for the week, though he's
currently at wide receiver twenty one. And I guess again,

(07:58):
if you take out Sutton, who was already played and
was ahead of him, then he'd beat watching for twenty
of the guys remaining. So we all love the player,
but at what point is he no longer a borderline
must start fantasy wide receiver? Because I feel like we
kind of got him to that point relatively early in
the year, assuming the touchdowns were going to come and
that the volume was going to stay what it was,
and now the yardage hasn't really been there and the

(08:18):
touchdowns haven't come either. So again, we still love the player,
But deebra, I'll start with you, at what point is
he no longer a borderline must start a fantasy wide receiver?

Speaker 4 (08:26):
We're already there, man. I mean, I've got him right
now as wide receiver twenty seven and he's been wide
receiver thirty five and fantasy points per game. And Tet
is doing everything that he can in his power given
the constraints of the quarterback play and the passing volume
that is being allotted to him, there's nothing else he
can do about it. But this Carolina Panthers offense is

(08:48):
just strangling the life out of him. I mean, whether
it's a volume conversation, whether it's crappy quarterback play, whether
it's a combination and honestly both weekly it's tough for Tet,
And that's why I wrote it up in the primer.
Like you're looking for blurbs on Lagette and Cocher, you
ain't gonna find them because they're not playable. Man. Caroline
has been so stinking run heavy that the passing volume,

(09:11):
like Ted, is the only option in the passing game
that's even remotely playable. Like since Week six, Caroline has
had the second highest neutral rushing rate and overall rushing rate.
So pick your poison here. Whether you want to talk
about bad quarterback play, what do you want to talk about?
No passing volume, and that I mean, you got to
run routes, you gotta get targets to score fantasy points,

(09:31):
and Ted's not able to do either one of those things.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Unfortunately, he's only finished higher than wide receiver twenty seven
in a week twice. Fits that those were two of
the last four games, but even then, the ceiling has
been wide receiver twelve and fourteen, Like, it hasn't been
inside the top ten or anything. Again, I know you
like the player, but what do you do with him?
Both this week and just kind of your general thoughts

(09:55):
on tet moving forward.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, generally, the whole must start thing depends on league context.
In a fourteen or sixteen team league or in a
twelve team league where you start three receivers in two flexes,
Teederoe McMillan is most likely a must start, But in
a ten team league or a twelve team league where
you only have to start two receivers, probably not. And

(10:18):
the issue is really that Panthers head coach Dave Kanal
is trying to hide his quarterback right now, and with
good reason. Bryce Young is averaging five point seven yards
per pass attempt, which is just like, that's a terrible number.
Cam Ward is at six point zero yards per pass attempt,
and I don't think anyone is saying cam Ward is
having a good rookie year. So in his last four starts,

(10:40):
Bryce Young has averaged twenty five pass attempts. That is
not a lot. And guess what, the Panthers have won
all four of those games. Like, they just beat the
Packers in Green Bay, and Bryce Young had one hundred
and two yards and eleven completions. Dave Canals is just
leaning into the running game, and Rico Dowdell has been
a force of Nate Sure and now Chewba Hubbard gives

(11:01):
the Panthers, you know, one of the best number two
running backs in the league. So Panthers are dead last
in the league in pass rate over expected at minus
seven point six percent. They're ultra run heavy. I thought
Tetoroe McMillan played a really good game against the Packers
last week, Like Bryce Young threw to him in some
third and long situations and McMillan made a couple of

(11:22):
really tough catches in tight coverage to pick up first downs.
But it wasn't a good game for fantasy. Four catches
for forty six yards, and yet that was nearly half
of Carolina's receiving yardage. So in a better situation, we
might be ranking Tetorohan McMillan is like a low end
wide receiver one, high end wide receiver two. I've got
him ranked wide receiver twenty two this week in a

(11:44):
good matchup with four teams on buy.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
To all this point. I want to wrap a bow
on this worm. Go out and trade for him in Dynasty.
Go ahead and get him, because the better days are ahead, dude,
better days they're going to I don't see a way
where Carolina walks into twenty twenty six of Bryce Young
as a quarterback. Can't see it.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's funny that you say that, because I was going
to follow up and ask, not in Dynasty, but I
was gonna say, do you would you want to trade
hit him away in redraft right now? I mean, he
still is a bye week coming up, so that's going
to be a zero you're going to take later week
seventeen if you make it to the championship. He has
the Seahawks, who are I think are the best defense
in football. Like, it's not like it's an easy schedule
going forward. And we have all these question marks for

(12:21):
this year, so trade for him in Dynasty Debra.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
But would you trade him away and Redraft?

Speaker 4 (12:25):
I think it just comes down to what are you
going to get for him? And I don't know if
anybody's given you more than a bag of peanuts for
ted romeown And it's not down the case like like
fifty and I have laid out here. Has nothing to
do with his talent. His per rot metrics are freaking fantastic.
He's doing everything he can. But the fact that there's
just not enough volume in this passing attack and the
quarterback play has sucked. So I don't think you're gonna

(12:46):
get a ton for him. Now, if you were going
to trade him away and lump him with another wide
receiver running back and tear up the position, then yeah,
if you could do that, sure go at it happen.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
You might not get a ton.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
I think you get more than a bag of peanuts, though,
I mean he's still rest of the season rankings wide
receiver twenty three names like T Higgins, DK Metcalf, Devantie Smith,
Marvin Harrison Junior, Like I you can quib whether or
not that's a worth worthwhile ranking, But I think people
look at that and say, like they would give up something,
even if it's not like a ton of value fits.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of what maybe commensurate running
back value would be for him, and I can't imagine
it's much more than like a Jordan Mason, yeah, who's
now part of a committee or Woody Marx type. Maybe
a little better than that, But like, you're not even
getting Jalen Warren for tet Ron McMillan. You're not getting.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
You couldn't even get, not to jump ahead of the
next one. But like, I don't even think you could
get Could you get Kyle Manongai right now? For Tedroo McMillan,
I don't. I don't even know if you can do that.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Actually coming off, because I think there are people who
are he's gonna say, oh, well one Swift is back.
He's going to go back into a timeshare and not
be very startable.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
I got.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I'm not saying that's correct or not, but I think
there are people out there who would have that mindset.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Probably maybe well, let's let's.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Get into that next game. It's Giants at Bears. We're
not talking about Manungay specifically, although he was.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
It was funny.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
I filled in on the start sit live stream yesterday
with Ericsson, and I can't tell you how many Manunguy
questions we got. It was like literally every question had
manong Guy included in it, and I kept saying, like,
I mean, if Swift wasn't playing the most obvious start
ever gets a little trickier with that. But the question
I want to you know, talk about here is actually

(14:29):
about Caleb Williams. This stat comes from somebody named Direct Brown.
I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that correctly. I don't
know where he works. He's at Debro, Underscore, f FB,
whoever that is, on Twitter, slash x. But this this
stat that I saw, which we've kind of talked about
a bit on the show before, but it's kind of
fun to see put into, you know, a simple term.

(14:50):
There have been eight games for Caleb Williams this season.
Four times he has been QB ten or better. Four
times he's been QB twenty or worse. He has not
finished in the teams this season. He has either had
a great qu one week or he has been totally
unplayable barring like a super deep super flex league. So
having said that, which version debro of Caleb are we
gonna get against the Giants this week?

Speaker 4 (15:11):
I think you're gonna get the top ten version and
the best sucking contextualize the season that we're getting from
Caleb Williams right now, he's twenty twenty four Kyler Murray.
He's Kyler Murray last year. You don't know when to
start him. He's either gonna smash or you're gonna hate
the fact that she started him. Because of the volatility,

(15:31):
because he has either been a basement level QB two
or he has helped win you weeks and a lot
of this. There's a little more steaking into with Caleb,
I will say this year because of the matchups, and
he's been so matchup sensitive because he's just not an
accurate passer, like amongst forty one qualifying quarterbacks. Right now,
he's twenty eighth in accurate throw rate, thirtieth and catchable

(15:52):
target rate. The Giants pass defense been struggling, man like
since Week five. They're giving up the twelfth most passing
yards per game in the six highest passer raate. So
I think you get good Caleb this.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Week, Fitz, Do you agree, like if I put it
to you as like a binary thing, like yes Caleb,
no Caleb?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
This week? Is it a yes week?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
If it's a binary thing, I am on the good
Caleb side, just barely. Can I make both cases?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Oh? Please do please do FITSI okay.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
So the case for top ten Caleb is that the
Giants are giving up the seventh most fantasy points per
game to quarterbacks, giving up the fifth most rushing yards
to quarterbacks, and Caleb likes to run, and the Bears
offensive line has been just fantastic lately, so I think
that's the case for oh And Paulson Adebo, one of
the Giants cornerbacks, I think he's going to be out

(16:41):
again this week. So the case against or maybe the
case for Caleb even being outside the top twenty one
debro set up with like the inaccuracy of Caleb's passing lately. Two,
the Bears offensive line has just been so good in
the running game lately. Their last four games, the Bears
have averaged more than one hundred and eighty rushing yards

(17:02):
per game. So maybe they just keep it on the
ground against a Giants defense that's giving up five point
nine yards per carry to running backs. That's not good.
And lastly, the weather forecast for Giants Bears isn't looking
all that great. Like I hate overreacting to weather, but
it's gonna be highs in the thirties with brisk northwest
winds of like sixteen miles per hour more so, starting

(17:26):
to get close to that threshold where you look at
the wind as a factor. And maybe it was a
little bit in Raiders Broncos, which I didn't see coming.
So this could kind of go either way.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
I think.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Prior to the game against the Bengals, which obviously was
an insane game, his previous four games he combined for
two passing touchdowns across four games. That's like just not
and he had one rushing touchdown mixed in there too
to help one of those days, but just not tenable
from a fantasy quarterback perspective. But then he comes around
in his QBU was against the Bengals. But you know,

(18:02):
you kind of laid out the case of difficult E's
GB thirteen in ECR this week, which we know he's
not going to finish there based on this stat but
slight lean towards him going higher. From you, guys, I
do want to ask kind of a second question again
on the Bears. Was Week nine the breakout for Colston
Loveland fits or was it just a flash in the pan?

(18:23):
Where is he ranked for you amongst tight ends this week?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
So right now I have got him at tight end nine,
even though I might move him down a couple of
spots if cole Comet clear as concussion protocol, which looks
like a possibility. But if if last week wasn't a
breakout for Colston Loveland, then maybe it was at least
the start of a breakout. We obviously have to consider
that he did it against the Bengals, and the Bengals

(18:47):
just get wrecked by tight ends on a weekly basis.
But Loveland is starting to play more snaps even with
cole Comet around, and Loveland has had at least three
catches in three straight games. So yeah, I mean, I'm
I don't think he is totally inside the tight end
circle of trust yet, but he is maybe inching his
way closer to that.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
By the way, I want to quickly correct something that
I said. I say, Kayley Williams is QB thirteen. This week,
I was still looking at the rest of season rankings
from a previous conversation. He's actually QB nine this week
in the rankings, so the consensus has him with another
top ten week. I just want to make sure that
I corrected myself there, debro on Colson Lovelin. When you
look at something like this where it's like, oh, hey,
what a fun game, you know, top ten pick has

(19:27):
the pedigree we're hoping to see this happen. At the
same time, you could say, like, well, he had a
fifty yard touchdown that was kind of fluky, broke off
three tacklers that like makes the day look a lot
better than it really was. He is tight end ten
for the week, that is for this week's rankings in
half PPR.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Does that sound too high? Too lower? Just right?

Speaker 4 (19:44):
For you? It's too high because I think col commet
Like to Fitzi's point, I think he does clear and
I think he does play, and that the breakout for
Lovelin happened. And I want to be very clear about this,
Like over the last two games for the Bears, like
Colecommett had at a concussion and a back injury. So
you look at Week six and that's the last game

(20:05):
that we have where both of these guys were absolutely healthy,
and during that game, Coaston Lovelin at a thirty nine
percent route chair cole Comette was at thirty percent, like
they were splitting the routes up. So I if cole
Comet is active, it's going to impact Colston Loveland's rout
chair Ben Johnson has been so stubborn about integrating these

(20:27):
rookies at a high level, like Luther Burton, even when
he's been healthy, has not overtaken Alamadae Zakias and people
keep we keep waiting for that to happen, and it's
not happening, and they're winning games. So I don't think
that changes. And the same thing with Couston Loveland, like
he had a wonderful game versus the Bengals, but you
talk about the flukiness, the fact that cole Comet got
knocked out of the game very early. And then also

(20:48):
we can also point to the matchup this week is
not it's not horrible, but it's not like a smash
matchup for tight ends, Like I mean, the Giants are
fourteen FEWUESS receiving yards per game overall, sixteenth and schedule
adjusted fantasy points per game to tight ends of the
last five games, so it's okay, and he can succeed,
but it's not like he's playing the Bengals and you're like,

(21:10):
all right, gotta fire him up, let's go. So I
kind of lean more to the negative side only because
of the other factors that play here.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Just quickly give me your answer. Don't need to elaborate.
Kyle Pitts or Coulson Loveland this week, you bro.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
It's not even close, like not, if not even close.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
They're close to ECR fits. Do you also see it
the fits?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
If Comet plays, it's going to be pets for me too.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Kyle Pits is a top ten tight end for me
this week? Easy top ten?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Okay, Yeah, they're both inside top ten in ECR, but
in very close in the back end of ease here.
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Speaker 1 (22:56):
Next game here, guys, Jaguars at Texas. No Travis Hunter,
Brian Thomas Junior banged up. Now, Jacoby Myers in town.
We'll see what that looks like week one. He's been
kind of the name we've talked about from this game
all week fits. How startable is Parker Washington against the
tough Houston defense this week?

Speaker 3 (23:12):
I don't really want to start any of the Jaguars receivers,
and it is tough to guess at the target distribution
between Parker Washington, the newly acquired Jacoby Myers, and Dianmi
Brown is coming back from a concussion. Plus you said
it where I'm the Texans have a tough pass defense,
like I've got Parker Washington ranked wide receiver forty one,

(23:33):
and even that feels too high. And just one thing
about props to hard rock Bets. They were the only
sportsbook I found that had a prop on Jacoby Myers
receiving yardage in his first game with the Jaguars, which
was at forty forty one and a half. I want
to say, and I promptly bet the under on that.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I'll ask you this question first, fits and then I'm
going to ask you the same question de Broke, because
they're very close in the flex rankings for the this
week in this game?

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Would you rather start Woody Marx or Parker Washington?

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Mark Max?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, Okay, think it's there are only a couple spots
apart in the flex rankings and consensus again, that's half
PPR scoring.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Debro you said you agree on Marx.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yep, easy Marks, And I've got Washington to wide receiver
thirty seven, and that feels too high right now. I'm
probably gonna bump him down some like.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
It's just it's exactly what consensus is, is wide receiver thirty Oh?

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Is it? Okay? Yeah? The thing about it and I
haven't I got to die back him into him for
the primer updates because of figuring out who's gonna play
and who's not is going to be trying to figure
out what his role is because he's flipped looped between
being a perimeter wide receiver and a slot wide receiver
depending on the matchup and depending on like who's been
healthy the last few weeks. But regardless of however you

(24:47):
slice this matchup, it's not good for Parker Washington. Like
Houston overall has given up the second fewest schedule adj
just a fantasy points per game to wide receivers overall,
you splice that into perimeter wide receivers, second fewest again,
ninth few is to slat receiver. So anyway where they
move him outside or they stick him inside, it's not
gonna be a good week for Parker Washington. You're really

(25:08):
just playing volume for him as a flex play. That's it.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Just because there's kind of quick conversation on Washington rest
of season, Jacoby Myers, what does he fit in for
you guys, now that we've had a few days to
kind of ruminate on the trade and think about it
and really sit with it, where does he kind of
fall into your expectations. I mean, obviously Brian Thomas Junior
and Travis Hunter will be back at some point and
healthier at some point. Myers is a good player rest

(25:32):
of the season. When I ask you that question, de Bro,
what's the first kind of number that comes to mind.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
I've just pulled it up. Wide receiver forty nine, Like
I think he's like forty nine fringe like wide receiver
four or five territory, Like he's living somewhere in the
josh down. Like I've actually got all these Jaguars guys
like couple together in the low like low forties, high fifties,
like Myers, Washington and Travis Hunter because we don't know

(25:57):
what his health outlook. Because you could take that trade
and say, okay, does this mean we get Travis Hunter
back and they're just trying to add to the cupboard
or is this more gloom and doom? And do we
see Travis Hunter for the rest of the season. So
somewhere in that low wide receiver four high wide receiver
five territory And people might think that's too low, but
I mean, help tell me, why.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Not same range for you, Fitz, I've got him wide
receiver fifty. He's right behind your guy or right ahead
of your guy Rashad Bateman, or it's just like eventually
Travis Hunter comes back. BTJ is there Myers is this
third piece in a not great passing attack. So like,

(26:36):
I think he's a bench player.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Let's go to Bills at Dolphins. Which players ranking in
this game? Do you guys most disagree with Fitz? We's
start with you.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
I'm a little below consensus on James Cook. I mean
in this is splitting hairs because you're starting him. Obviously,
I've got him ranked running back six and consensus is
running back four. I like Jamier Gibbs and Devon ah
Chan a little more this week, and I know running
backs have been carving up the Miami defense this year.
But Cook has this ankle issue that caused him to
mispractice on Wednesday and send people into a panic and

(27:10):
be speculating about Ray Davis or Ty Johnson being the
preferred backup. But maybe with the ankle thing, the Bolt
Bills pullback on Cook's workload a little bit. And Cook
only has two targets and one catch in his last
four games. He isn't adding anything as a receiver lately.
So obviously the rushing numbers have been sensational, but that's

(27:32):
where he is doing all his business.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
This could prove to be, you know, poorer analysis by me,
I'm not really worried about the foot ankle stuff, just because,
like it from it's what it seems like from I
was seeing some of these videos on Twitter like that
this happened earlier in last week's game, and he's still
rushed for twenty seven like attempts in that game. So
they didn't seem to be dialing it back in the moment.
Now maybe like you know, you have the adrenaline going

(27:55):
and it starts to feel worse later in the week, But.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
You know, I'm not that worried about it.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
And even if he does have a limited workload, like
how many rushes do you need against this Miami run
defense to have a great day if you're James Cook,
I don't think that many. So obviously you saw him
inside your top six. You're not fading James Cook, But
just compared to some of these other elite options that
you might have Debro, what do you think who's the
player that you are either fading or more aggressive on?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Ranking highly in this game?

Speaker 4 (28:22):
So since week two, I'm gonna give you the weekly
finishes for this wide receiver seventy six, sixty nine, fifty
forty three, seventy six, fifty seven and sixty seven. Why
in the ever love and heck are we ranking Keon
Coleman as a wide receiver forty three and easy? Are
tell me that? Why is he inside the top fifty?
Why is he on any roster? Why is he not dropable?

(28:42):
Like why you.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Said since week two? Well, what was week one?

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Week? Week one? Week one was wide receiver? Two? Can
we spot the outlier family? Can we? Like? No?

Speaker 6 (28:54):
Man?

Speaker 4 (28:55):
I just I can't. Keon Coleman's not playable even if
we wanted to. Half the positive narrative, the Miami's secondary
versus perimeter wide receivers has actually been improving over the
last few weeks, and they didn't trade I thought Raszilla
Douglas was gone. They didn't trade him, And then you
look at the coverage shell it's horrible for Keon colban Man,

(29:15):
Like Miami has the fourth highest rate of too high
versus two high Keon Colbyn fourteen percent target per route
run rate zero point eight two yards per route run.
It's not good, Like I don't, I just don't understand,
Like why Keon Coleman's even on fantasy rosters at this point?
Like have we not seen enough?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
I It's funny because I knew when you were reading
the numbers that those it wasn't Khalil Shakir's game log,
because I know he's been better than what you were saying.
But I almost when you said that you were going
to have a receiver that you were gonna discuss here,
I almost thought it might have been Shakir because he
has not been, you know, that productive for fantasy managers
either this year, Like three of the last four weeks,
he's been wide receiver fifty three, forty nine, and fifty

(29:53):
two excluding his bye week that he had in there.
You know, he had one game where he was wide
receiver six this season, but even that game, it was
just a down week in Week eight for the position
because he was wide receiver six with fourteen point eight
fantasy points. That's not that like explosive huge of a day.
He does not have one hundred yards receiving in a
game this season. He's only top seventy yards receiving in
a game once this season, just three touchdowns. And this

(30:16):
is what the bill is not having a very strong
receiving course. So like I look at Shakiro ranked wide
receiver thirty one, and I like, again, I knew you're
you weren't talking about him when he started reading the
game LOGSDRO, but I almost wondered if he was gonna
come up because I'm just like, I don't really want
to be starting Shakiro all that badly this weekend.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, I mean, the ceiling is not high with Shakiro.
I will say, like he's he's a stable wide receiver three.
Like against this same secondary in Week three he was
wide receiver twenty five, so I know he's living off
of touchdowns. The volume's not amazing. If you're playing Shakira,
you got to know what you're getting yourself into. It's
probably forty to fifty yards and you're praying he gets
a touchdown. If he gets the touchdown, he's in wide

(30:53):
receiver three territory. If he doesn't get the touchdown, then
you're probably like, oh, good Lord, why do I do this?

Speaker 3 (30:58):
It's crazy that JOHNH. Shllon is a leading MVP candidate.
The Bills are one of the best, strongest Super Bowl
contenders in the AFC, and there is no pass catcher
you want to use in this offense, like maybe Dalton Kincaid,
even Kincaid isn't getting like heavy target volume.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
No, he's not.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
It's just that they have this terrible well at least
terrible for fantasy. Everybody eats Ethos in Buffalo, so we're
seeing all these targets squandered on guys like Jackson Hawes
and Dawson Knox, Elijah Moore, Curtis Samuel Tyrrell Shavers. Yeah,
it's just kind of not desirable for all the pass catchers.

(31:38):
You just want Josh Allen, that's it.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
And if it's the all that on top of that,
like I think it has been terrible man, Like that
passing attack is honestly kind of limited, like when the
teams can just sitting too high and then play downhill
on them. Where's they have no field stretchers in this offense? None?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
It does look like a Cliff Kingsbury offense.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, horse on a raid in Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Baby, It's funny.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Like I feel I don't feel like Josh Allen should
be lead like the leading MVP, you know, odds, but
I don't know who else I would make the case
for instead, Like the Chiefs have lost too many games
even though its been great.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Lamar's miss time.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Burrow obviously out for most of the year, like Drake May,
is it a year too early? At is it's gonna
be more of like a next year thing. I'm like,
I don't and you know, it's not gonna be a
non quarterback. Despite the people who like, you know, enjoy
to talk about like Jonathan Tailor.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Your MVP Canada. Right here is Matthew Stafford. Baby, That's
who it is.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Stafford has been on.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
He's playing at a level. He's gonna win the West,
He's gonna win probably twelve games. He's playing some of
the best statistical football of his career. It should be
Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I like, I'm trying to pull up the odds right
now and my computer is being slow.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Sid I mean, where are the Patriots without May having
the kind of season he is having?

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Then? No, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I mean I would give consideration to May.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
I just want if people are like, you know, he's
twenty two, he's got plenty of time to win it
in the future. But like Alan has just won it
last year, and like they typically don't like to go
back to back if they can avoid it.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
So that's kind of.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
What Donald's dark horse is Sam Donald is absolutely in
this conversation. Yes, he should be in this conversation.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, if the Ravens had won like one or two
more games without Lamar and at least had the record,
then I wouldn't because Lamar's stats are insane this year.
Then if he like does lead them to the playoffs
coming back, I can see it. But I just think
he missed too much time to overcome, probably too much time.
But the numbers will be so I don't think he's
a real option. And I just yeah, I mean may
it might not be a bad back, and I can't
get my competer to look.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
It always comes down to as well, like you got
to have not only the wins and stuff like that,
you gotta have you have to put up the numbers too,
because if you don't, you don't put up the numbers.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
It just yeah, I just got to pull up action now.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
So yeah, Alan plus one fifty five on hard rock
bet Mahomes and may are both plus plus four hundred,
Stafford plus five twenty five, and then the next best
is plus four teen hundred for Darnald. Like Baker, Mayfield
had a case early in the year that's been a
fallen of Herbert, like I think with just with the
offensive line stuff is not going to get there, but
I think he's been awesome this year.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Donald at fourteen to one, I'm gonna have to put
that in today. I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I feel I feel like Donald May and Stafford like
are my favorite kind of range there. There's Darnald's a
lot lower than them in the odds, but I feel
like that's my kind of favorite range to be looking
at right now.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Yep, agree with though so interesting.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, we'll see where that goes. Let's go to speaking
of Lamar Ravens at Vikings. I haven't saying this all week.
I'm absolutely fascinated by this game. Lamar still shaking off
the rust a bit, going up against Minnesota's blitz and
specifically Brian Flores his blitz which probably the worst game
of Lamar's career in the regular season was that Thursday
night game against the Dolphins a few years ago against

(34:45):
Brian Flores where he looked awful. I cannot remember him
ever looking that bad in any game of his entire career.
So he's going up against that blitz in Minnesota again,
still shaking off the rust two degree and the other
stide of JJ McCarthy, who you know, is going up
against it, improving but definitely still limited defense for Baltimore,
McCarthy is improving but still livated himself. There have been
turnovers going on, which has been kind of the key

(35:06):
to the Ravens turnaround on defense has been forcing more turnovers.
It's all just very fascinating for me to watch it.
I'm really really intrigued by this, so I kind of
just want to leave it a little more wide open
for you guys and ask what the most interesting storyline
in this game is for each of you.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
And Deebra I'll start with you.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
I'm gonna guess I'm gonna go out on a limb
here and say, you want to talk about j McCarthy.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
Oh, we're sitting on the same limb, sir, Yes, Yeah, dude,
I think it's JJ a man like I mean, looking
at you know, everybody wanted to bury him, looking at
the ups and downs of his.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Play healthy not healthy, all the soft benching bs that
was making the rounds on social media because people are idiotic.
I don't even understand that. It comes back to JJ
man a big time game and the vikings have to
keep winning if they want, you know, shot at the playoffs.
I don't think they're probably gonna, you know, really realistically
have a shot at the NFC North, But if they

(35:56):
want to make the playoffs, they got to keep winning.
And JJ's got to keep improving. And he's he's been
good or solid for Fantasy and the two healthy starts,
so he's gonn to QB eleven and QB thirteen, got
rushing in equity out of him. We've seen some of
the passing highs and the lows, so a lot to
improve here. And you talked about the Baltimore pass defense.
They've shown some improvements, but still since Week five, eleventh

(36:19):
most passing yards per game, fourth, highest success rate per
drop back allowed. So that's just another fascinating stat line
or storyline of this game. I want to see how
JJ plays because I was, dude, I was quietly surprised,
like how well he navigated pressure, what he did versus
the Lions. But also you saw some of the shortcomings

(36:41):
of things he still has to clean up, like he
airmailed a few short throws or when he was on
the move and stuff like that, so left a lot
of yards on the field. So JJ is definitely the
guy that or at least the storyline that I want
to talk about here.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
You know, Fitz Deevro mentioned like the Vikings really need
this game to kind of, you know, keep fighting for
the playoffs. The Ravens really need this game to keep
fighting for the playoffs. Like they lost for as little
margin of era as they had, they lost even more
of it when the Steelers upset the Colts and just
get another win on their ledgers. So it's a really
for two teams that are below five hundred, it's a
really wildly important.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Game, it is. And yeah, and dee Bro McCarthy has
to just stop like thwarting his own drives. He's just
he could have even better fantasy numbers than actually like
maybe even be a worthwhile fantasy starter if like he's
taken fourteen sacks in three starts, sex or drive killers,
He's thrown four interceptions, he's fumbled four times, like, there

(37:36):
are a lot of mistakes. So I'm not saying JJ
McCarthy has played good. There have been some moments, but
he has not played well in his three starts. So
I'm more interesting where we are at with the Vikings defense.
And the matchup against Lamar, Like, I want to know
how we should look at Minnesota as a fantasy matchup
the rest of the way, because coming into the season

(37:57):
we generally thought of the Vikings as a tough defensive
match but the Vikings defense not playing so well as
of late. Coming out of the by the Vikings got
blasted by the Eagles and the Chargers. That was week
seven and eight. Before the bye, they had made the
Steelers and Browns offenses look pretty good in weeks four
and five, but last week the Vikings got Andrew van

(38:17):
Ginkle back from injury and he hadn't played since Week three.
I am now convinced that Van Ginkle is just the
lynch pin of the Brian Flores defense. Like the Vikings
did a really nice job of holding down the powerful
Lions offense in Detroit. Last week, Detroit had three hundred
and five yards of offense, well below their average. I
want to see how tough the Vikings make things on Lamar.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
I wonder I feel like a lot of the conversation
this week I when talking about this game specifically in
terms of the Ravens offense against the Vikings defense, has
been about Lamar and I've been a part of that.
I wonder if this might just be kind of like
a I don't want to say surprised, but like if
this just ends up being like a Derrick Henry like
all the way back, because he's had some explosive games lately,
but it's it felt more like like it's Miami. Felt

(39:01):
more like he just wore him down late, right, which
is what Derek Henry does. It didn't feel like he
was just like dominating early. I wonder if this is
a game where like Derek Kennry just does kind of
come out of nowhere and has his best Fantasy day
since Week one, with all the attention being on Lamar
and obviously him opening things up for him. Maybe another week,
you know, post injury, had this extended break with the
Thursday night game. Maybe Lamar's more mobile, which then helps

(39:23):
open stuff up even more for Derrick Henry. The Vikings,
I feel like if you can get past the initial
tackler like that, you can run on them, like you know,
deep into the to the second level. I just I
feel like this could be a Derek Henry game, like
when everybody's looking in a different direction.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Debro, Yeah, it's possible, and I think the the the
part that I'll definitely hammer on there is Lamar's mobility,
and another week back from the hamstring injury is going
to be critical to that because if anybody watched like
the Yes Lamar three for four passing touchdowns, he that
was fantastic. His passing acumen was definitely there. He didn't

(39:58):
look like Lamar Jackson. If you watch that game, he
looked tentative to run. He was not looking to run.
He didn't look a spry in the pocket. You could
tell he was not clearly, not one hundred percent. So
to your point, I'm I'm very interested to see what
version of Lamar Jackson do we get. Is the hamm
he's still not fully healthy and he's still a little
bit tentative in the pocket, and then you got Brian

(40:19):
Flores like like teeing off on him on the blitz
and some of their run game concepts are more limited
because of Lamar's hamstring. Or if he's healthier, we get
more mobile Lamar and that opens up things for Derrick Henry.
But I think Lamar's health is going to play a
huge factor in this on multiple levels.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
One hundred percent, the offensive line has not been good
this year, and so you need the mobility from the quarterback.
That's why Tyler Huntley was so much better than Cooper
rush is because he was more mobile.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
And could you know.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
That's a clear too.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
You know it was a low bard to clear, But
like having a statue back there with this offensive line
is simply not tenable. As you know, Lamar is not
a statue obviously, but I thought Lamar was slower even
in September before getting hurt. Honestly, I remember during the
Lions game I texted one of my good friends is
a big Ravens fan.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I was like, dude, does Lamar look slow to you?

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Like?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
What is going on here?

Speaker 1 (41:06):
So I feel like that's been a thing all year
and then obviously just kind of compounded with the hamstring injury.
So again I'm really fascinated by this game. What do
you guys think Ravens were minus four and a half
last I looked, maybe it moved to minus three and
a half.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
What do you guys think about that?

Speaker 3 (41:19):
I never did that against the Vikings in US Bank Stadium.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
I don't think the Ravens covered that. I think it's
gonna be very, very close. I think it's comes down
to a lot of final pressure either I this game
is gonna come down who has the ball?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Last year it's it's minus four. Now, Yeah, I don't think.
I don't know if I would bet on the Vikings,
but I don't want to bet on the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I think that the better. What's the total in this game?
Worm is it still was of like forty eight?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
It was I felt the last die looked. Let me
pull that up.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Because I think if you're going to attack from a
betting angle, I think the total is much more of
a forty nine. Yeah, I think the total is much
more of the playground than I'm willing to the same box.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I like the under a lot, honestly.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I'm a big fan of the under.

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Speaker 1 (42:31):
That's fantasyshowdown dot com slash FP. All right, guys, Browns
at Jets, Oh boy, what a fun one. How high
are you ranking Quinchin Judkins against a Jets defense that
just traded away its best players?

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Debro does the number exist? Now? It's seriously like he's
a low end RB one. I've got him in RB twelve,
but I think the conversation starts somewhere in mid like
the low RB one range. Like, I think the conversation
you can have a really good conversation of him versus
Rico Dwdle. So like it's probably like RB seven RB

(43:09):
eight is where the conversation for Judkins starts. And I
mean it's they just traded away their best run stuffer
and before that, with him on this defense, since week five,
they just were still giving up the fifth most rushing
arts per game and they had the tenth lowest stuff rates.
So you know, the the rest of the season is

(43:30):
going to be start all your fantasy options versus the Jets.
They traded away their best corner, they traded away their
best defensive lineman. Just fire up the options fits.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
This is like.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
It feels like the vibes could deteriorate, could deteriorate me
very quickly in New York definitely.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
But I've got Judkins RB eleven. I don't think he's
in the same tier as Doubtell. We certainly like the
matchup for Judkins, but he's averaged three yards per carry
over his last three games, and you said minus two
receiving yards over his last three games. His passing game
usage is just completely dried up. So I like Judkins,
like the matchup, I just don't love the offensive ecosystem.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Was there anything else else on this game I missed?
I mean like I just didn't have any players that
I really wanted to talk about here.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Honestly, Nope, No, I think it's pretty much it. Man
like you want to start a lot of your parts
and pieces. But good Lord, like both these offenses are
just borderline decrepit. The only thing I'll add edge wise
here is I think this is quietly a good matchup
for Breese Hall. If you look at what the Browns

(44:38):
run defense has been versus the perception. Like the beginning
of the season, they were stopping everybody in anybody, but
since Week five they've given up the eleventh most rushing
or excuse me, the eleventh most yards after contact for attempt,
and the third highest miss tackle rate. So I will
say I will be above consensus on breeze this week.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Last game in the early slate Patriots at Buccaneers, looking
lower down the rankings because some of these guys are
very obvious starts, but looking further down, if you guys
need a wide receiver help in Week ten, would you
rather start Tes Johnson or Damario Douglas in this game?

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Fits Tes. Before the Buccaneers went on buying Week nine,
Tes was wide receiver twenty four and half point PPR
fantasy scoring over his previous four games. He need at
least forty three receiving yards in all those games. So
like a pretty sturdy floor. No Mike Evans for the Buccaneers.
It looks like Chris Godwin might not be back for
a while. Look, I realized Amario Douglas at one hundred

(45:32):
yards last week, and he's weirdly become this guy who
occasionally pops off for big plays after sort of being
the polar opposite of a big play receiver the last
couple of years, just this short area possession guy. But
here's the thing. Douglas has played less than thirty percent
of New England's offensive snaps in seven of the patriots
nine games this season, and in each of the last

(45:54):
five pop Douglas hasn't played more than seventeen snaps in
a game since Week three. Is nothing to hang your
hat on. It's possible the Patriots give Douglas more snaps
this week with Kishon Booty out, but Douglas is playing
behind Stefan Diggs and Mac Collins, and the Patriots have
been talking about a bigger role for rookie Kyle Williams,

(46:15):
and last week Williams outsnap Douglas thirty one to eighteen.
So the prop on Douglas has said at forty one
and a half yards at hard Rock Bat and the
under is one of my favorite bets of the week.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Okay, that's a compelling case. I like Douglas more than you,
but that's a good case against him.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Write seventeen or fewer snaps man five straight that's just
not enough to make him reliable on fantasy.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Yeah, for anybody believing in Pop Douglas, Mac Collins says,
hold your beer, so I think he's gonna get out
snap Douglas. Douglas last week only had a thirty two
percent routch here. These numbers are for Douglas last week
are just not sustainable. Like he had a forty six
percent target per route run rate. He had a thirty
one percent first reach here, Like, neither one of those
numbers are at all replicable. And even if you wanted

(47:04):
to just say, okay, well what if Pop is a
full time player? Also since week five, Tampa Bay fourth
fewest PPR points per target to the slot, eleventh fewest
receiving yards per game allowed. This is test for me
on multiple levels. One, he's playing more snaps than two
that the matchup is actually it's middle of the road.
But he's been good versus too high coverage, which since
week seven New England, fifty nine percent of the defensive

(47:26):
snaps have been too high. And since tes Johnson, I
know it's a small sample size, here is a full
time ish kind of player in the Bucks passing attack.
But since week six tes Johnson against two high nineteen
percent target per route run rate two point zero yards
per route run. So this is test for me too.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I guess I'm the odd man out on Douglas. I
would still probably go test, but I see it as
closer than you guys too, So we'll see it plays out.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
I think maclout score him this week.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I'll say that, Okay, all right, Yeah, that's a shy.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I don't see it that way, but I when I
disagree with you, I tend to trust.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
So we'll see how it goes.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Cardinals at Seahawks. This is into the late afternoon slate
on Sunday with Jacoby Brissette the starter in Arizona. Moving forward,
where are you ranking Marvin Harrison Junior? Both in Week ten,
which is against a very tough Seahawks defense, but also
rest of season with this quarterback change Debro.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Wide receiver twenty nine this week and wide receiver twenty
eight rest of season. It just he's still a wide
receiver three. He's still going to be up and down
like as good as he's been at various times. He's
still wide receiver thirty four in Fantasy points per game.
He still only has earned an eighteen percent target share.
Tough matchup this week, So yeah, like, I think you

(48:39):
can make a case he's a low end wide receiver
two in some weeks depending on the matchup. That is
definitely not this week. Since Week five, Seattle has allowed
the fourteenth fewest PPR points per target to perimeter wide receivers.
So yeah, I mean, I mean, Marv is definitely gonna
get a bump because Brissette is better than Kyler Murray.
And in the year twenty twenty five, I don't know
if anybody would have walked into the years saying that

(49:00):
that's the case. But Kyler's not played good over the
last like two plus seasons.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Fits he is mart Harrison junior wide receiver nineteen in
half APR ECR. That's too high, too lower, just right.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
I mean I've got him wide receiver twenty. Like I
understand debro skepticism, but like we're talking about a week
with the Bengals Cowboys in Chiefs on buy that's like
five or six really good receivers who are out of
the mix. So if those guys were playing like I
would have Harrison ranked as a high end wide receiver three.
And that's kind of where I have him rest of
season wide receiver twenty six, So I know wide receiver

(49:37):
twenty like with Harrison having a tough matchup against Seattle
might seem a little lofty, but it's basically with the
bye teams.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
He's wide receiver twenty five in rest of season consensus ranking,
so right right in line with you there, Deebra, where
is the rest of season ranking for you?

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (49:53):
He is wide receiver twenty eight, So yeah, I mean
I've still got him in wide receiver three territory.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
For this week.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Debro Marvin Harrison Junior or Tetero McMillan, I've got there
back two spots away and ECR.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
I've legit got them back to back and I think
I'm probably gonna flip them. I would take Marvin Harrison
Junior just based off a volume and fits.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
It sounded like you you would take Harrison.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Two spots higher than ten.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
All right.

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rams at forty nine ers fun game here. We talked
about him earlier. Debro Matthew Stafford has been.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
On a heater.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
He is tied for QB eight on the season in
points per game despite offering nothing as a runner. Give
me a surprising name that you are starting Stafford over
this week.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
So I don't know if these are surprising. So I'm
gonna kind of like throw these at the wall here.
I've got two or three names, and you guys tell
me what you think. Is Jackson dart over him surprising
or not. I kind of feel like it's not, but
I want to throw it out there. Daniel Jones. Is
that surprising a little?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Jones and Stafford are back to back in ECR.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Okay, so Daniel Jones, I just the Atlanta secondary is
falling off. I think this is a good get right spot.
We've already talked about Alec Pearce and in single high
coverage and all that kind of stuff. Michael Pittman's playing amazing.
The third name I was going to evoke in here
is I think you can make a pretty easy case
for Jared Golf this week. I think the Lions come

(51:48):
out and they are ticked off. This is one of
those spots where they just run up the freaking score
and drop like a forty burger on the Commanders. So
Golf is probably the surprising name. But I've got him
and Stafford, I mean, like right back to back in rankings.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
So I just want to clarify for the listeners that
I think you did to this question the reverse of
what I intended it. I was asking who was somebody
that you were starting Stafford over? That is a surprise,
got it. We're starting to overta So it's it's totally fine,
But I just want to clarify for the listeners that
you're not saying to start Stafford over those guys. You're
saying start those guys.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Okay, So the flip side of that, I'll start Matthew
Stafford over Caleb Williams, a player that we talked about earlier.
I will easily start Matthew Stafford over him. I think
the floor and the ceiling are definitively higher.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
That's that's reversed from ECR. So, yeah, that is a
surprising one.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Fits.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
What do you think who would you start Stafford over?
That might be a surprise to people.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I mean, I guess Caleb Williams, but I don't think.
I don't think that should be a surprise. I don't
know it's Baker Mayfield, a surprising name, like that's the
name I was thinking of.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Is was based on consensus?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah, I've Stafford eight, and I just like, I don't
think that's surprisingly high. I feel like that's the right
ranking form. I do wish I had ranked Stafford ahead
a bow Knicks who same.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
You could go back at time and remember, before you
knew what happened in the game, would you have said
Stafford over next?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
And it sounds like you said you wouldn't have.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Unfortunately, not I debated those two. I debated those two
in rankings all the way up to like kick off man,
I was looking at him and I'm like, is bo
gonna burn me? And he burned me.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, that's a tough one, all right.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
So, I mean, Stafford's been great all year. We like him.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
This week, you know, fun times are going to continue.
Let's go to the last game in the late slate here,
Lions at Commanders without Jayden and Daniels, who, by the way,
is not gonna get surgery, I guess, and could be
back at some point this season. I don't know that
that makes a whole lot of sense with the Commanders
and what I expect the record to be by the
time he's ready to come back. But we'll see. I'm
certainly not there this week without Jane Daniels. If you

(53:47):
had to be above consensus on one Washington commander this
week fits, who would it be.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I don't know. Chris Moore, he'll play, He'll play more
snaps with Terry McLaurin outs Jalen Lane, more snaps for him.
I think I'm a head of consensus on both guests.
I don't want to play any of the commanders. I
just think they're going to be a bug on the
Detroit Lions windshield this Sunday.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I totally agree, which is why I put this question heres.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Like if I if I tried to force you to
pick somebody and you uh sneakily just picked people who
obviously nobody would.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Be starting with his baby, I love it.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
I mean, I like, you couldn't pay me to start
Jacory Krossky merrit this week and the Deebo, Like, if
you're fading him, who else are you even going to?

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Really?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Zach Ertz maybe a tight end catch, it's a touchdown, Like,
I don't know, so I'm with you there fits again.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
That's why I asked the questions, Deebro, what do you think?

Speaker 4 (54:36):
I just put Debo in here only because I firmly
believe the commanders are going to be trailing Deebo versus
Single High has not been good, and that's been one
of the biggest struggles for the commanders. They don't have
with McLaurin out, they don't have an answer for single
hype coverage. They literally don't have a guy that could
beat on Single High on that entire freaking roster. But
if you want to have the glass have full approach

(54:57):
with Debo. They're going to be trailing. Target volume in
Detroit has struggled against slot wide receivers, So that's the
pro case.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
For Debo Deebo's wide receiver twenty two.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Though, like he's so high, I don't want to be
above consensus somebody, I think I think the right I
think is the right decision because tight end you could
catch a touchdown. If if he gets a touchdown, he's
probably gonna be higher than tight end sixteen single. I
think it's a better bet than anybody else. I mean,
I'm not saying I want to rank him that highly,

(55:29):
but I think it's a better bet than anybody else.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
In this offense not performing their ranking. It's ugly.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Yeah, we can actually move on pretty quickly from that one.
Going to Staday Night football, Steelers at Chargers. The Chargers
usual suspects are ranked in their typical ranges this week,
according to consensus. But I find myself worried, and everybody,
I think a lot of people find themselves worried about
an offensive line missing both tackles for the season, going
up against a Steelers pass rush that got it going
a bit last week and obviously has a lot of

(55:57):
talent in the front seven. So I'm wondering deep or
if you're fading any Chargers players this week based on
that matchup, or are even more kind of ranking them
along the lines of ECR.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
I'm not fading the Chargers players overall, man, but I
wonder there is one that does stick out to me,
like Keenan Allen is wide receiver thirty three in ECR
right now, but the last two weeks he's wide receiver
forty eight and he's wide receiver fifty six and weekly scoring,
he's only had a fifty percent route chare So he's
been splitting time with Ray Harris of the last two

(56:28):
weeks and his target chair has dropped to eighteen percent. Now,
I'm not saying the matchup isn't good for him, and
I'm not saying they haven't gone to him versus single
high coverage. You're gonna see a crap ton of it
this week. But based off of what he's doing and
the fact that his route chaer has dropped, it has
dropped the floor for him as a fantasy asset, and
it's capped the ceiling over the last two weeks so

(56:49):
I have a hard time. Kind of part of this
is the bye weeks, but I think he's ranked a
little too aggressively.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Where do you think fits Are you nervous about the
Chargers at all? I mean, could be Keenan out, it
could be somebody else. The total in this game is
forty five, just for what it's worth on hard Rock Bet.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
But what do you think about this matchup for the
Chargers offense?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I'm two spots below consensus on Justin Herbert, and it
looks like I'm a little below consensus on Lad McConkie.
Right now, I'm at consensus on Keenan Allen. Debro makes
a great case. I think we should move him down.
The other thing with Keenan Allen, like with Joe Alt out,
maybe the Chargers play a little more twelve personnel and
they play like one of their tight ends who can

(57:28):
actually block with Gadsden, who's more of a glorified wide receiver,
which would me in a reduction and snaphare a further
reduction in snapshare for Keenan Allen. So with Herbert. Joe
alt did miss three games earlier this season, weeks five, six, seven,
and we didn't really see an adverse effect on Justin

(57:48):
Herbert's numbers in those three games. But two of those
three games were against the Commanders and Dolphins, really good matchups.
The other one was against the Colts, and that was
that game where the Chargers fell into that deep hole
and Herbert through fifty five passes for four hundred and
twenty yards and three touchdowns. But I do expect just
overall a less functional passing game with Joe Alt out,

(58:10):
and maybe a less functional running game too. Like the
Chargers did trade for Trevor Penning from the Saints, but
like Alt's one of the best tackles in the league,
and Penning is just a you know, adequate starter.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
We got I mentioned earlier, we got a lot of
questions on Kylemonung guy on the start hit stream. We
also got a lot of questions on Quentin Johnston, and
we basically never like Erickson, and I don't think ever
picked him as like a pick three guys to start,
and one of them was Johnson. We never went in
that direction. He did get a touchdown in this last game. Obviously,
he had no targets the week before, which kind of
threw everybody off. You guys, didn't really mention him. Here

(58:42):
are you above or below?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Consensus on Johnson just quickly fits.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Where's he think, starworm?

Speaker 3 (58:48):
I think I'm two spots higher.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
He's wide receiver twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Oh, I'm way higher. I'm way higher on QJ. This week,
I've got him at wide receiver twenty three. I think so.
For of all, I think the Chargers' injury reporting lies.
I don't think that he was clearly not healthy if
you looked at his early season target sharers. And I
know Lad was struggling during that and stuff, but still
QJ was running away with target chair and then he

(59:13):
just drops off the freaking map coming back from the
hamstring injury, and then he bounces back last week. This
coverage matchup is fantastic for him. Like weeks one through four,
he was there clear and easy wide receiver one versus
single high coverage, like he had a twenty five percent
target chair versus single highs. So I think if Herbert

(59:35):
has time in the pocket, I know that's a big
if in this game. I think QJ is gonna have
a really good game.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
We are starting something new in this show.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Each week we're going to be highlighting our favorite three
and four star props from the prop bet cheat sheet
ahead of Sunday Night Football. The cheat sheet is a
wonderful resource for putting together your prop bets for the week.
So we're gonna start highlighting it on Sunday Night Football's
matchup every single week, and we're gonna highight those three
and four star props. If you want the five star props,
you can go online and see those which had a
much higher hit rate. These have good hit rates too,

(01:00:03):
though I would strongly recommend checking them out. Deebra, I'll
start with you, what is your favorite prop from the
cheat sheet for Sunday Night Football?

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Canny game? Well, baby, it's a four star bet on
the prop bet cheat sheet, the over for his fifteen
and a half rushing yards and that you're gonna have
to kind of book shopping here and stuff like that.
It's anywhere from like fifteen and a half to I've
seen it all the way up into the twenties, so
definitely shop lines here. Our projections on the site have
his line at twenty five point one and he's hit

(01:00:32):
the over in five of seven games as a backup,
and the matchup is good on the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Fitz was your favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
I picked Comani Vadell under, so initially it was a
four star cheat sheet bet at fifty eight and a
half rushing yards. It's down to fifty three and a
half at hard rock bat, and I still think the
under is the right percentage play. I haven't noticed if
we've downgraded that to like a three star play. But
on this week starts to show Jake Seally and I

(01:00:59):
argue Comani Videll versus Brice Hall, and Jake said he
preferred Breis by a mile. I said, I slightly preferred
Videll just because he's in a better offense and is
a better matchup like Haul gets the Browns. I know
the run defense hasn't been quite as good lately, but
it's still really good. And Jake did make a good
point that Jared Patterson got involved for the charters, and
maybe Vadell's snap share, which was it seventy two percent

(01:01:21):
last week, maybe it comes down a little bit. And
the Steelers run defense was good last week. They held
Jonathan Taylor to forty five rushing yards in three point
two yards per carry. So while I don't mind Videll
in fantasy, I think under fifty three point five rushing
yard seems like a pretty decent bet, still a three
star bet.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I think you and Jake arguing on videll is the
like most like actually argumentative.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I've seen the two of you in doing the show
with you that was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I mean it was like, it wasn't like angry.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
You can any of us say from the summer that
you would have fast forward and said at week ten
and you're gonna have an argument about Breece Hall versus
camani Vedel.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Nobody would have predicted that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Everybody been like, nah, no way, man, it's no area.

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redeem your offer. One more game on the slate here, guys,
Monday night football. Eagles at Packers. Awesome game, even with
the Packers coming off of a dot. I think this
is a really fun matchup and I'm really excited to
watch this except oh wait, I can't watch it thanks
to YouTube, TV and ESPN. That's a conversation for another day.

(01:02:52):
Eagles at Packers. I'm excited to follow this game. I
guess online fantasy wise, there wasn't a ton here. I
do want to ask, just kind of the the overall
conversation of Tucker Craft's injury and what it's going to
mean for the Packers offense.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Who is going to step up?

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Fits you are a Packers fan, You're very close to
the team. Who is going to step up in Craft's absence?
Is it Luke Luke Musgrave as backup tight end? Or
will it be one of the team's many different receivers
who will see a boost in value just through getting
more work, even if they're not a one to one replacement.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Where does do those targets go?

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
The Eagles are a pretty tough matchup for tight ends.
I think they've allowed like the fourth fewest fantasy points
per game the tight end. So I don't expect Luke
Musgrave to smash, but I'm cautiously optimistic that he shows
us fantasy viability. Like it's easy to forget that Musgrave
was actually drafted ahead of Tucker Craft in twenty twenty three.
Musgrave was a second round pick forty second overall. Craft

(01:03:45):
was a third rounder seventy eighth overall. Musgrave started six
games as a rookie before Craft made his first NFL start.
And Musgrave is six foot six and ran a four
to six to one at the combine, which gave him
a ninety fourth percentile speed score, Like he's he's toolsy.
So and there's gonna be some target spillover for Romeo

(01:04:09):
Dobbs and Christian Watson too, like Dobbs is pretty close
to a must start this week, I think, and Watson
flexworthy at minimum.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
It's such a cliche to compare Musgrave and Craft to
Hunter hayden Hurst and Mark Andrews, but it really.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Is, like kind of I got I got a tweet
out there right after they were drafted saying exactly that, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
I mean, it was in the same round, so a
little different. But the year that the Ravens took Isaiah
likely they took Charlie Kohler earlier in that same round,
So it's kind of similar where you second tight end
is sometimes better than the first. The Andrews Hearst is
really the great comparison there, Deebro, do you think Muskgrave
is you know, possibility to step up here and cross
at Craft's absence or is it one of the receivers.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
I think it's one of the receivers. I think like
Fitz he talked about the matchup, I think the matchup
is rough for him. Did I honestly think like Romeo
has not gotten enough love from people this year. Like
what he's done and the fact that he's stepped up
is the clear wide receiver one for the green bit packers.
Like Dubbs is a twenty percent target chare this year.
He has two point zero yards per route run. He

(01:05:13):
is a twenty five percent first read chare if you
look at him, just like and he's been coverage agnostic,
like he's been good versus single high and too high
and not. There's very few wide receivers you could say
that are good versus both of these coverage shells. But
Doves is good versus both them, like two point ziver
one point nine yards per route run against both them.

(01:05:34):
He's top twenty six in both of those against both
those covered shells. So like, I think Jordan Love is
gonna lean on his number one guy a little bit
more this week and moving forward. So Fitz he talked
about Doves is a must play. I mean, I think
he's just a strong rest of season wide receiver. And
I have been hesitant to say that about any Green
Bay Packers wide receiver because of what La Floor does,

(01:05:57):
but I think this does kind of narrow the target tree.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Just quickly before we wrap up, Are you guys downgrading
Jordan Love without Talkercraft.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
No, because I think the scheme provides, and I think
before we're still gonna he's still gonna get it out.
And Love has been playing so well this year. Man
just not a lot of volume fits.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Yeah, I mean because of the volume, I I kind
of am. I've got him wide quarterback fifteen this week.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
All right, we'll go ahead and wrap things up there.
We don't know along for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Best of luck here in week ten and in your
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