November 10, 2025 • 31 mins
Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III joins the show to discuss why he believes the Giants should hire Lane Kiffin, and breaks down what’s really going on with Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers offense
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Robert Griffin, third Fox Sports, NFL and college football analyst,
eight years in the NFL Heisman Trophy winner.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
We love having him on the show, and he's joining us.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
After a wild, wild weekend for the two best quarterbacks,
Dante More and Fernando Man doesn't. We'll get to that.
We will get to that. I want to I want
to start with the Brian Dable firing. What I don't
like about it is Jackson Dart is your guy. They
have a great relationship. Just let it play out. You're
not a playoff team. Let it play out for the year.
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Then you know if it's Kafka, if it's Mike McCAT whatever.
Your takeaway on firing a coach now with a very
sub optimal roster. Scataboo's hurt, neighbors can't stay healthy. What
do you or you know, Matt Hasselbek said, bring Cofkin
for six games, seven games, lat let him trial run.
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Where do you land on that?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, I think they need to get rid of everybody.
I don't love the fact that they fired Brian Dable
at this point in the season.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
You're two and eight.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Normally when coaches get fired in season, it's because you
already know the guy that you want to go get
and you want to get ahead of that, or you're
thinking it's going to spark the team. This team is
out out of the playoffs essentially, like you're not going
to turn this around going if he did on the
stretch and find a way to sneak in.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
So I don't love that part of it. But what
I what I.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Really hate is that they attached a rookie quarterback to
a head coach.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
And a GM there on the hot seat again.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And I watched this with Chicago and I brought this up,
and I caught a lot of flak for it, Colin
because I said that I didn't I think that the
bear should connect Caleb Williams to Matt Eberfluss, who is
a head coach on the hot seat, because then you
put your young quarterback in a situation where he's gonna
have his second head coach and his second play caller
in his second year.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
The biggest thing for young guys is stability.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
So now you sit here and I didn't know what
the Giants are doing in the offseason when they brought
in Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston and then went.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Drafted Jackson Dart. But here we are, So I.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Think the only rightful decision for them to make now
is to go hire Lane Kiffin as head coach because
that's the only guy that knows Jackson Dart better than
any other coach in the NFL and is going to
be able to get the best out of him to
where Dart isn't going to have to now go into
a new situation and learn a whole new terminology and
a whole new way of doing things.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Kiffen knows him better than anybody.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Also, you know, that's a great idea I had Keifvin
in Miami, but Lane's been a head coach usc Ole
Miss NFL. When you try to go, it's to be
a head coach to go to New York and be
a first time head coach. I mean, the talk radio,
it's the fans. It's hard, so.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
That that is really that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I want to ask you, Caleb has been the opposite
of JJ McCarthy. Caleb's great late j JJ on the
first drive.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
What do you what is your.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Takeaway on Caleb's performance during this winning streak kind of
it unlocks later in the game. Are you okay with that?
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I am okay with it because it's really about Caleb
and Ben Johnson finding a way to win.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
And you know, I listen to what.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
All these guys say because you can hear how they
really feel in what they're saying. After the games, and
Caleb Williams talked about Ben Johnson and he said, you
know what, we're like a two punch tandem, and the
trust of the guys in the locker room and the
coaching staff has been a real big thing for them.
He talked about how Ben Johnson's information that he's providing
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him and giving him helping him in preparation has gone
a long way with him to be effective at the
end of games. And what that is to say is
if you remember last year, there's the article came out
about how Matty Eberflus and the staff weren't really teaching
Caleb Williams how to study in the NFL, how to
break down NFL defenses, and how to do those different things.
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He's getting that now from Ben Johnson, and it makes
it to where he trusts what he sees when he's
on the field. Sometimes when you go into an environment
that you don't really know Colin and you don't really
know what you're supposed to be seeing, it's really hard
to pull that trigger. Caleb is doing that, especially in
critical moments. So I really believe that him and Ben
Johnson are winning. And I know that the teams that
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they've beat over the last six weeks then they've won
six of the last seven have a combined record of
fifteen thirty three and one.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
But in the NFL, you never apologize for winning games,
and winning games is really hard.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So they're building their relationship by winning the games in
front of them, And I couldn't be happier for him.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I said earlier today, I said, I figured out every
team in the league. It took me ten weeks except Pittsburgh.
I don't know what I get. I don't know what
I get week to week half to half.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Clawber New England drop.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
The Colts lost to the Bengals blown out by the
Chargers Green Bay. If you've ever been on a team,
usually you get a sense what a team is. Now
everybody has a stinger, but you kind of get a
sense of what a team is. What does it tell
you that Pittsburgh week to week is a totally different team,
energy focused, production, performance.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Why yeah, Colin, It's the first time I've ever felt
like the Pittsburgh Steelers don't have an identity.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Why right.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Normally, when you think of the Steelers, you think they're
going to run the football and they're gonna play great defense. Well,
they can't run the football, and on defense, they're ranked
thirtieth in the NFL against the pass, so their defense
isn't great. They don't have a consistent identity weekend and
week out, And part of me thinks it is because
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there might be a little bit of conflict in the
play calling. I watched them on fourth and goal and
Aaron Rodgers through that back shoulder fade or what looked
like a fade to DK Metcalf, and it looked like
he said, signaled that to him or was the decision
that he made, but he had Pat Fryermuth coming wide
open right around the first down marker, which would have
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put them at first in goal, but he didn't go there.
And when I watched some of the tags that they run,
Rogers notorious for adding tags to run plays and being
able to have the flexibility to do what he wants
in those situations. I don't know if there's a complete
trust there between Arthur Smith and Aaron Rodgers when it
comes to the play calling and how they're executing the offense.
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And that's a problem because Rogers said he needs to
play better. He knows that he's a hall of They
brought him in there to study the ship. But if
they don't have an identity offensively on how they're going
to attack defenses weekend and week out, they can never
build on anything, and that's why they're having so much inconsistency.
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Speaker 3 (07:47):
Away, that's why we bring you on the show. That
was really good.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I got to ask you to college things because you
were a Heisman winner. They're certainly an argument all these
guys should come back. But I'm watching Mendos make those
throws on that last drive on the road, Robert, those
are Sunday throws. That kid is a big kid with
a big arm, And if you're going to be the
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number one pick, you probably got to come out. And
then Dante more in terrible Iowa Weather is making a
throw at the right sideline. You're like, just let's talk.
Let's talk both those guys. I think you have to
come out if you're the first or second pick. I agree,
let's talk Mendoza first and then Dante Moore. What do
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you see from those two?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, first thing I see from Fernando Mendoza is his
ability to command a room, like when this guy talks,
you know, I think this past weekend he said.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I'm willing to die on the field for my teammates.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Okay, well tell me an offensive lineman or a coach
or a GM that's not going to hear that and
be like, I.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Don't want that guy.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
They would all want that guy because he seems to
be all about ball, and I was. The drive was
super impressive in his ability to make those big time
NFL throws at pressure in his face, But I was
even more impressed with the last one for the touchdown.
I know it was an amazing catch by Omar Cooper Junior,
but the fact that Mendoza made that throw in that
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moment literally getting you know, his face knocked off and
just gets up and walks off like it's nothing. That
to me, it was his Heisman moment one hundred percent.
But it was also the moment that every NFL scout
is going to look at and say, that's my quarterback.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, he's got all the measurables, he's got all the intangibles.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah. And Dante Moore played in lousy weather. He moves better, Yeah,
he to me, he again He's just slick.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
He moved.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
He is a twenty twenty five NFL quarterback and he's
supposed to be the nicest, most humble kid.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
What do you see with him?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, I think for Dante Moore, it's uh, everything that
Mendoza has that that that Dante doesn't, he makes up
for with his playmaking ability. I think Mendoza's got the
big arm, the big body, the frame, and he's and
he's got the toughness. Dante's got all that and a
little bit of a smaller package. But when I watch
him throw, because I'm calling their game this week with
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Jason Bennetti in a Lex Atlanti story against Minnesota, when
you watch him.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Throw, it's just like the ball always gets to the
right place.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And I'm gonna say this, and maybe people might get
mad at me about it, but he reminds me of
if you put Dylan Gabriel and Sear Sanders in the same.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Body, that that is what he has.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Because for Dylan Gabriel there in Cleveland right now, there's
a little bit of like what's missing. I think Dante
has that he has that special playmaking ability inside of
him and he doesn't unleash it. All the time, but
you saw it on like a forty yard run against
Iowa this past weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
By the way, you've been joined by somebody behind you
the couch. Who is the uh it's one of your
one of your slot receivers. My two year old Gia,
come out here, Come on, come on, Ga, come on.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, she's over there playing with the Funko pops.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
She's having a good time.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Awesome. Hey, great Struff is always my man. Thank you, Robert,
appreciate you. Colin God bless brother.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
All right, thank you, really good stuff. And Aaron Rodgers
stuff is fascinating. All right, Uh, j Mack with the news.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
All right, let's go to the Buffalo Bills. Colin brutal
loss for them to my on the road.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Now.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
The report's coming out that Josh Allen was down with
the South Beach flu, so maybe this.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Should be excused. He was quite bad the brutal red zone.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
Pick the fumble, My guy, James Cook did not Cook
had a bad fumble. It was just an all around
letdown performance, which shouldn't surprise people.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
We try to.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
Educate the folks, don't we call him Hey, you beat
the Chiefs, They're probably is going.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
To be a letdown against Miami.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Anyway.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Here's Josh Allen on his team's gross performance.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
They came ready to play. They wanted it obviously a
little more than us. I gotta be better. I'd be
better in the protection game, in the past game, in
the wrong game, all of it. You know, it's anytime
you turn it over three times two in the red zone.
Really you could count that last one, you know, driving
kind of going into the red zone. So that's that's
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a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
It was ninety degrees in Miami, a little hot into
the collar for Josh and company.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, I you know, I get that. I mean I
do get the Northern teams come down and it's hot,
Like I do get. But it's just to me, they
no energy. I mean, you have to account for that.
Like if you know, guys, it's gonna be hot, we're
gonna wear out. Then you have to have a great
first quarter. You got to just sell to your team.
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We got to come out. We're gonna have twelve scripted plays.
We gotta be dialed in because we're gonna fade in
this weather. We don't plan this weather, we don't practice
in it. But to be just out man sixteen nothing
at half with Josh Allen and James Cook, that's not
good enough.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
They didn't have ninety yards. They zero for six on
third down in the first half.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Ninety total yards against Miami's d.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Now, I'm not excusing the Bills, but again, this is
a week to week league.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You know that, Colin.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
I'm seeing reports that they were down by at the
end of the game as many as five defensive starters,
and Tua looked good other than two arm punts. Tua
looked pretty good. Wata looked pretty good. I gotta ask you,
Tampa Bay at Buffalo this week, Buffalo laying five and
a half at home.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
What's the lean there? Remember week to week league, Tampa,
by the.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Way, got smashed at home by the Patriots nys early.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I shouldn't put you on this.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I Buffalo's my play here, Yeah, yeah, Buffalo's my play now.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
We got to see the injuries.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Obviously, they're gonna need their defense because Baker, Abuca and Baker,
they've got some like mind meld going on. That's really good.
But I think Tampa's a little overrated and I think
Buffalo Bounce is back strong.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Don't write them.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Off yet, folks.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Next up the Ditch de Troit Lions.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
I can't tell if people are making too much of
this or not, but let's get into it here. So
before the game, there was a report from NFL Network
that Dan Campbell might be calling the place. Well, Campbell
takes over the play calling. However, there's some dispute as
to when it happened. Was a full game, was it halftime? Anyways,
here's Dan Campbell talking about calling plays instead of his
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OC John Morton.
Speaker 9 (14:25):
I know what I want to do, I know how
I want to do it. Now that being said, this
is a collaborative effort. Now it was honest. It was.
It was he and I and we were good. And
it's like I told, man, I need you, you know
I need you, and but I feel like, you know,
this is something that I'm going to do. And listen,
John Morton's all team man, that's all he cares about.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, that's that's not ideal.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Well listen, you know at halftime something seemed to change.
Our staff is hot on the idea that Jamison Williams
somebody got the memo at halftime. Maybe Dan Campbell that
Jamo was unhappy he was force fed in.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
The second half. Did you see him kind of go off? Yep,
absolutely to a point. You know, they need Jamis and
Williams to develop.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
We know Willaporta and Amarah Gibbs Montgomery, but they could
use Williams to in the postseason against some of the
elite teams. I am curious, though, this was against a
Washington team that.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Is total crap.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
They've given up so many points and yards in the
last four weeks. They've lost each of those games by
twenty one or more points.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
So are you ready to crown Dan Campbell or do
you need to see it next week against I don't
know the Eagles before we say yeah, Dan Campbell knows
what he's doing. Well, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I just think I think your bigger issue is you
lost the best OC in the league and now you're
taking over duties. You can put as much makeup on
that story as you want. That's not ideal, that's not
what you want.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
And Minnesota, you know, Brian Flores had a good game
plan last week and kind.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Of bodied them. I don't want to overreact here.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
If I'm Detroit, because again, Washington team is rotten Colin Day,
there's a lot of quit on that team. I think
Detroit scored on their first seven possessions well to start
the game.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Just up and downsfield.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Washington's the oldest team in the league. Pittsburgh's the second oldest.
They're both fading fast.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Ooh, that's a nice hot take.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Or will Pittsburgh bounce back? I mean, like, I feel
like Washington it's over.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Pittsburgh could come back next week and win by fourteen.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I don't know what they.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Are so I only made one bet last night, Washington,
do you want to hear about their game this week?
So after that bludgeoning at home where they were boot
off the field stands for empty in like the fourth quarter,
Washington goes to Madrid to face the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
But after Madrid, Washington has a bye week.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
So I wonder if the wives and girlfriends are like, hey,
let's just make it two weeks in Europe. Let's stay
away from Washington. I think Washington's totally done. I think
Miami's decided this week. It's a little early to talk.
But when you're hot, you're hot. And he thoughts Miami Washington.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well, Mike McDaniel a bit of a resurrect. We had
him fired three or four weeks ago, and he's had
a couple impressive wins. So remember the coaching staff at Miami.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
The owner in.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Miami said, GM is gone. We believe in Mike McDaniel.
So he got Now it's a public vote of confidence.
But I will say this, by giving the coach a
public vote of confidence, he still has leverage with players,
or at least some level of respect. Well, they responded
so twice since that story came out, Miami's played excellent football.
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They deserve credit.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Yeah, final story, Colin is Monday Night football, Micah Parsons
and the Packers hosting the Eagles. We're on opposite sides here,
but we want to remind everybody that Philadelphia made a
push to land Micah Parsons when the Cowboys were allegedly
thinking they would trade Parsons. Of course, Dallas said they
had zero interest in setting.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Him to a division rival.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
According to a report, Dallas did not want him going
to the Eagles so badly they are included a poison
pill condition in the trade, stating that if the Packers
send him to any team in the NFC East, it'll
cost them a twenty twenty eight first round pick. Jerry
Jones really does not want Micah in Philly.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So that's a fun little supply.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, I mean, you don't even want to send him
to an NFC team, and if you do, you're gonna
make sure he's not going back to burn you in division.
So for years and years there was kind of a
rule you never trade a star in conference. So the
fact that they did that Dallas is like, Okay, we'll
do it. You're not sending him to the Giants or
the Eagles. It's not gonna work out that And so
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I I think green Bay doesn't want to trade him.
I mean, they didn't give you all these first round
picks because they're gonna move him. And he's a very
good player. He's in his prime for the next five years,
and I think it's very I think green Bay accepted
that for a lot of reasons. It's reasonable and they're
not moving off Micah.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
If I told you today I see green Bay and
Buffalo in the Super Bowl, you would say.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Not gonna happen. If I told you it is rams
in Kansas City, you would say, I think the Rams
pick is good.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
I don't know if the case is a playoff team.
Ton I'm sorry they got dead for this week. Favored
Big Lee on the road.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
All sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Oh boy, okay, yeah, Brian dabols out in New York,
these New York football operations. I mean that the Giants
looked at the Jets and said, oh, that worked out
so well. Firing solimn mid season. I think we'll just
copy him.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
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Speaker 1 (20:05):
So Giants fired their head coach, Brian Dable. The guy
that will be the interim former NFL player Mike Kofka,
he's interviewed for several jobs, has not landed those jobs.
But Matt hassel Back a couple of hours ago on
Kafka and the Kafka and the move going forward for
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the Giants.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
And they're going to do a full search on anybody
on the planet that they think can help get it right.
But they have this guy that this is like a
little bit of an audition. I mean, he's the guy
for the last wedding like three or four years. His
name surfaces every time because they think that he's a.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Great quarterback whisperer. Let's see.
Speaker 10 (20:44):
His personality is completely different than Brian Daball.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Brian Daball's got it.
Speaker 10 (20:48):
Where's his emotion?
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Like? You see it, you know it.
Speaker 10 (20:50):
Mike Kafka is not like that. So it's an opportunity
for the Giants to see what they have.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, we'll see. I mean again quarterback and has a
connection with Jackson Dart. Let's see how it works. Robert
Griffin came on. He's got a different.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Idea for the Giants.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
I think they need to get rid of everybody.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I don't love the fact that they fired Brian Dable
at this point in the season.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
You're two and eight.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Normally, when coaches get fired in season, it's because you
already know the guy that you want to go get
and you want to get ahead of that, or you're
thinking it's going to spark the team.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
This team is out out of the playoffs. But here
we are, so I.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Think the only rightful decision for them to make now
is to go hire Lane Kiffin as a head coach,
because that's the only guy that knows Jackson Dart better
than any other coach in the NFL and is going
to be able to get the best out of him.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, I'll tell you strike when the iron is hot,
and right now on Lane Kiffen, the iron is hot.
I if i'm Lane Kiffin's agent, which I'm sure it's
Jimmy Sexton. He's everybody's agent in college. I did the NFL.
It was a it was old Al Davis and the Raiders.
(22:03):
You can always go back to college, Lane Kiffin, junk,
You can always.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Go back to college.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You're not gonna get a New York Giants offer again.
Right and by the way, Ole miss, this is about
where it's gonna be. Kaylin de Boor is not going
anywhere to Alabama. Kirby Smart's not an NFL guy. He's
got to go to college as go to college job
or you're.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Gonna have a Georgia. So, Kirby Smart and Kaylen de
Boor are humming.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Texas. A and M has boatloads of money and everybody
loves that coach. Stark's gonna probably make it for some
time at Texas. So it's a very crowded SCC. Or
you can go to the NFL. You're gonna make a
lot of money. You already got your quarterback and you
like him. Now, Matt rule to the NFL didn't work,
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but I didn't necessarily. First of all, that organization and
that owner at that time highly temperamental, very erratic. The
Mars aren't erratic. I don't know if they're highly competent,
but they're not erratic.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I'm just saying, if I was Laye Kiffin, I can
come back to college and Texas A and M's got
more money than Old Miss. Georgia's got more money than
Old Miss, and Alabama's got a much bigger brand than
oll Miss. Well what about LSU the governor runs the program? No,
thank you, So i'd go pro. I would go to
Miami or the Giants if I was laying Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Colin, can I throw a curveball at you? Okay?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
And I'm not saying that this job is better than
the Giants, But the Tennessee Titans job is open. It
is in a much more winnable division. Hold on, hold on,
because we don't know if the Colts are going to
be good. Let's just be real, do we know Jacksonville's
myer to mediocrity and the Texans seem to be flailing? Okay,
Philadelphia Eagles are not going anywhere and cam Word was
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the number one pick overwhelmingly. Are we sure the Giants
job is better than Tennessee Because the.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
GM right now in New York, I don't know how.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
The hell he's still employed. He has made blunder after blunder,
extending Jones, moving off Barkley. I mean, I don't know
how he's still got his job.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
I would definitely take the Giants over Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well, you would probably have more pull in Tennessee the
media and Tennessee how are they to deal with?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah, I mean, you go to New York. Those guys
are rabbit. They want wins.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
They think that this is still a franchise that won
a bunch of Super Bowls with parcels.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Gay, you know what the New York football operations are now,
and like this is understood in the league. You use
them to get a better offer.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I mean Mike Rabel was rumored to be with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh please, he didn't want to be with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
He wanted he wanted the Patriots job. And Josh McDaniel.
That's what people do in this league. Harball was rumored,
Oh Jim Harball New York. New York football operations are
used by the top guys to end up going places
that are better jobs, just.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Like the New York Knicks for years, remember all the
Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Lebron all this stuff.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
They were never going to go play for Dolan And
now you got Woody Johnson and Lamara family.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
And but honestly, how many wins did.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
You say in the playoffs for the Giants in the
last decade?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Is it one?
Speaker 7 (25:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That Daniel Zones went over Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Yeah, I just don't think it's as great of a
job as everybody else does.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Well, no, I think. I mean, I listen, there are
in the NFL. The job is as good as the quarterback.
If you have a quarterback that's good in his prime,
Like when Mike McCarthy got the Packers job, that was
a great job. Aaron Rodgers late prime, that's as good
as it gets Yeah, I think Mike McCarthy getting Dak
that's a really good job. Horball getting her that's an
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a job, but most jobs. And that's why I'm saying,
Jackson Dart in the building and you've coached him for
three years, Lane Kiffin, pretty good.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Gig Let me ask you can Jet, what's the ceiling
on Jackson Dart? Can he be a top ten quarterback
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
At this current time? He can't stay out of the tent.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
So he can't really be. So I don't again. I
know people are gonna be like, you're an idiot.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's fine.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
I would rather have draft picks galore like the Jets
than be wedded to Well, let's see what Jackson Darts
got for another year.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I just whoever gets Fernando Mendoza from Indiana that is
an a prospect.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I like him a lot. He is a nice drive against.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Stake first of all, brainiac major league size, big boy arm.
I mean, there's not and he can move enough. He's
an a prospect, like like Caleb was an a prospect,
Rake May was an a prospect. Jaden Daniels was great,
but he was spindily and we worried about that. But
Jackson Darts a B prospect, cam Ward probably a B
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plus prospect. You don't get many a's you can get
about every other year. Joe Burrow was an A prospect,
Peyton Manning was an A prospect. You know, get a
lot of A prospects. Most of these guys, to me,
they're all B prospects.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I like Dante Moore. Mendoza is an A prospect. He's
got multiple years of starting though.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Mendoza, well, he's also big with an a arm.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
More in Simpson, like again, I like Simpson a lot,
but it's one year? Is he a twenty two twenty
three year first super senior dominating him?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
In Ty Simpson When he was at Alabama, he didn't
play much for three years.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
For three years.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
If you were all that twenty nine or fifty five
with no touchdowns, he was a fifty five percent completion guy.
I mean he was that duty yeah, yeah, or forty
eight fIF fifty eight, yeah, I mean he just wasn't.
And all of a sudden, now he gets to bore
the right oh see the right receivers. I'm Mendoz is
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doing it with B level talent. They don't have a
lot of five star guys in Indiana.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Yeah, and here's the best part. If you're the Jets,
not to take it away from the Giants, you draft
Mendoza and you don't like what you see and Aaron
Glenn doesn't work, you just move on. You got three
picks in the first round the following year, So, which
which apparently is.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
A really to draft.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I don't say this very often. Mendoz is gonna work.
That's not to think he would.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, that's an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Mendoz is an NFL If he goes draft at number
one or two, you're like, yeah, that's what that's what
it should look like.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Can we see him against the Ohio State defense, which
is freaking elite.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Nobody is gonna move the ball in Ohio State. Well,
I want to see him do it? Can he do it?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Can he know?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You don't think he's gonna be able to leave any
competitive in that game? Competitive?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yes, competitive, but I don't think he's gonna move the
ball particularly well against Ohio State. Ohio State's got one
of the best defenses the last fifteen years.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
If he vomits all over himself, you know, nine of
twenty five seventy five yards passing. I think then we
got some real questions because that defense has some NFL
dudes on it.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, you know Penn State's defenses.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
We saw Indiana played Notre Dame last year, who had
better players, and Ohio State's got defensively much better players
than India than Notre Dame had last year.
Speaker 10 (29:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
By the way, Notre Dame's a sneaky team to go
deep in the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
They are built. Great coach. How good is that running
back Love? Jeremiah Love? He's awesome.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
By the way, New York Giants, do you at least
call Marcus Freeman?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Think you have to?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You have to. If you have an NFL opening, you've
got to ask Marcus Freeman.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
He's probably not gonna take it, but he is. I
just think that guy's freaking awesome. One of the best
coaches in the country.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
All Right, good stuff today, tonight's Packers Eagles. I like Philly.
I think getting Jalen Phillips, I think they grabbed a
corner JayR Alexander with that.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
I don't know if he's going to play tonight. Yeah,
they had some pickups. I'll go Packers twenty seven to
twenty three.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Your score reverse at Philly twenty seven twenty three. So
it was it was I had a winning, blazing five week.
I took all favorites.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I took it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
One underdog I took did not work. Yeah, I took
four favorites, three of them won, and I took the
Steelers last night. And that wasn't even.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Five street winning weeks for you?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
No, uh no, it's uh. I was four and one,
four and one, four and one, two and three, three
and two.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
Oh okay, but nice thing. You remember all of your weeks,
colle huh give that when you're hot, right, yeah, nobody
remembers the start of last season.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
For the record, I didn't love the numbers last week.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Uh. If you you've seen the numbers today.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's you mean the lines, the lines? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
The Patriots are huge favorites against the Jets on Thursday
night football.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Six of seven winning weeks for blazing five, six of
seven winning weeks.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Glad the staff is all over there. There's some real
I'm just.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Telling you this weekend coming up, cancel your Sunday plans.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
No runs for you in Shytown. There are some good ones.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
There are some, Hey, Seattle at the RAMS Game of
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
After a wild, wild weekend for the two best quarterbacks,
Dante More and Fernando Man doesn't. We'll get to that.
We will get to that. I want to I want
to start with the Brian Dable firing. What I don't
like about it is Jackson Dart is your guy. They
have a great relationship. Just let it play out. You're
not a playoff team. Let it play out for the year.
(00:57):
Then you know if it's Kafka, if it's Mike McCAT whatever.
Your takeaway on firing a coach now with a very
sub optimal roster. Scataboo's hurt, neighbors can't stay healthy. What
do you or you know, Matt Hasselbek said, bring Cofkin
for six games, seven games, lat let him trial run.
(01:18):
Where do you land on that?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, I think they need to get rid of everybody.
I don't love the fact that they fired Brian Dable
at this point in the season.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
You're two and eight.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Normally when coaches get fired in season, it's because you
already know the guy that you want to go get
and you want to get ahead of that, or you're
thinking it's going to spark the team. This team is
out out of the playoffs essentially, like you're not going
to turn this around going if he did on the
stretch and find a way to sneak in.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
So I don't love that part of it. But what
I what I.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Really hate is that they attached a rookie quarterback to
a head coach.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
And a GM there on the hot seat again.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And I watched this with Chicago and I brought this up,
and I caught a lot of flak for it, Colin
because I said that I didn't I think that the
bear should connect Caleb Williams to Matt Eberfluss, who is
a head coach on the hot seat, because then you
put your young quarterback in a situation where he's gonna
have his second head coach and his second play caller
in his second year.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
The biggest thing for young guys is stability.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
So now you sit here and I didn't know what
the Giants are doing in the offseason when they brought
in Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston and then went.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Drafted Jackson Dart. But here we are, So I.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Think the only rightful decision for them to make now
is to go hire Lane Kiffin as head coach because
that's the only guy that knows Jackson Dart better than
any other coach in the NFL and is going to
be able to get the best out of him to
where Dart isn't going to have to now go into
a new situation and learn a whole new terminology and
a whole new way of doing things.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Kiffen knows him better than anybody.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Also, you know, that's a great idea I had Keifvin
in Miami, but Lane's been a head coach usc Ole
Miss NFL. When you try to go, it's to be
a head coach to go to New York and be
a first time head coach. I mean, the talk radio,
it's the fans. It's hard, so.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
That that is really that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I want to ask you, Caleb has been the opposite
of JJ McCarthy. Caleb's great late j JJ on the
first drive.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
What do you what is your.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Takeaway on Caleb's performance during this winning streak kind of
it unlocks later in the game. Are you okay with that?
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I am okay with it because it's really about Caleb
and Ben Johnson finding a way to win.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
And you know, I listen to what.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
All these guys say because you can hear how they
really feel in what they're saying. After the games, and
Caleb Williams talked about Ben Johnson and he said, you
know what, we're like a two punch tandem, and the
trust of the guys in the locker room and the
coaching staff has been a real big thing for them.
He talked about how Ben Johnson's information that he's providing
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him and giving him helping him in preparation has gone
a long way with him to be effective at the
end of games. And what that is to say is
if you remember last year, there's the article came out
about how Matty Eberflus and the staff weren't really teaching
Caleb Williams how to study in the NFL, how to
break down NFL defenses, and how to do those different things.
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He's getting that now from Ben Johnson, and it makes
it to where he trusts what he sees when he's
on the field. Sometimes when you go into an environment
that you don't really know Colin and you don't really
know what you're supposed to be seeing, it's really hard
to pull that trigger. Caleb is doing that, especially in
critical moments. So I really believe that him and Ben
Johnson are winning. And I know that the teams that
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they've beat over the last six weeks then they've won
six of the last seven have a combined record of
fifteen thirty three and one.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
But in the NFL, you never apologize for winning games,
and winning games is really hard.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So they're building their relationship by winning the games in
front of them, And I couldn't be happier for him.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I said earlier today, I said, I figured out every
team in the league. It took me ten weeks except Pittsburgh.
I don't know what I get. I don't know what
I get week to week half to half.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Clawber New England drop.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
The Colts lost to the Bengals blown out by the
Chargers Green Bay. If you've ever been on a team,
usually you get a sense what a team is. Now
everybody has a stinger, but you kind of get a
sense of what a team is. What does it tell
you that Pittsburgh week to week is a totally different team,
energy focused, production, performance.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Why yeah, Colin, It's the first time I've ever felt
like the Pittsburgh Steelers don't have an identity.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Why right.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Normally, when you think of the Steelers, you think they're
going to run the football and they're gonna play great defense. Well,
they can't run the football, and on defense, they're ranked
thirtieth in the NFL against the pass, so their defense
isn't great. They don't have a consistent identity weekend and
week out, And part of me thinks it is because
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there might be a little bit of conflict in the
play calling. I watched them on fourth and goal and
Aaron Rodgers through that back shoulder fade or what looked
like a fade to DK Metcalf, and it looked like
he said, signaled that to him or was the decision
that he made, but he had Pat Fryermuth coming wide
open right around the first down marker, which would have
(06:34):
put them at first in goal, but he didn't go there.
And when I watched some of the tags that they run,
Rogers notorious for adding tags to run plays and being
able to have the flexibility to do what he wants
in those situations. I don't know if there's a complete
trust there between Arthur Smith and Aaron Rodgers when it
comes to the play calling and how they're executing the offense.
(06:55):
And that's a problem because Rogers said he needs to
play better. He knows that he's a hall of They
brought him in there to study the ship. But if
they don't have an identity offensively on how they're going
to attack defenses weekend and week out, they can never
build on anything, and that's why they're having so much inconsistency.
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Speaker 3 (07:47):
Away, that's why we bring you on the show. That
was really good.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I got to ask you to college things because you
were a Heisman winner. They're certainly an argument all these
guys should come back. But I'm watching Mendos make those
throws on that last drive on the road, Robert, those
are Sunday throws. That kid is a big kid with
a big arm, And if you're going to be the
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number one pick, you probably got to come out. And
then Dante more in terrible Iowa Weather is making a
throw at the right sideline. You're like, just let's talk.
Let's talk both those guys. I think you have to
come out if you're the first or second pick. I agree,
let's talk Mendoza first and then Dante Moore. What do
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you see from those two?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, first thing I see from Fernando Mendoza is his
ability to command a room, like when this guy talks,
you know, I think this past weekend he said.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I'm willing to die on the field for my teammates.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Okay, well tell me an offensive lineman or a coach
or a GM that's not going to hear that and
be like, I.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Don't want that guy.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
They would all want that guy because he seems to
be all about ball, and I was. The drive was
super impressive in his ability to make those big time
NFL throws at pressure in his face, But I was
even more impressed with the last one for the touchdown.
I know it was an amazing catch by Omar Cooper Junior,
but the fact that Mendoza made that throw in that
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moment literally getting you know, his face knocked off and
just gets up and walks off like it's nothing. That
to me, it was his Heisman moment one hundred percent.
But it was also the moment that every NFL scout
is going to look at and say, that's my quarterback.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, he's got all the measurables, he's got all the intangibles.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah. And Dante Moore played in lousy weather. He moves better, Yeah,
he to me, he again He's just slick.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
He moved.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
He is a twenty twenty five NFL quarterback and he's
supposed to be the nicest, most humble kid.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
What do you see with him?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, I think for Dante Moore, it's uh, everything that
Mendoza has that that that Dante doesn't, he makes up
for with his playmaking ability. I think Mendoza's got the
big arm, the big body, the frame, and he's and
he's got the toughness. Dante's got all that and a
little bit of a smaller package. But when I watch
him throw, because I'm calling their game this week with
(10:08):
Jason Bennetti in a Lex Atlanti story against Minnesota, when
you watch him.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Throw, it's just like the ball always gets to the
right place.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And I'm gonna say this, and maybe people might get
mad at me about it, but he reminds me of
if you put Dylan Gabriel and Sear Sanders in the same.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Body, that that is what he has.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Because for Dylan Gabriel there in Cleveland right now, there's
a little bit of like what's missing. I think Dante
has that he has that special playmaking ability inside of
him and he doesn't unleash it. All the time, but
you saw it on like a forty yard run against
Iowa this past weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
By the way, you've been joined by somebody behind you
the couch. Who is the uh it's one of your
one of your slot receivers. My two year old Gia,
come out here, Come on, come on, Ga, come on.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, she's over there playing with the Funko pops.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
She's having a good time.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Awesome. Hey, great Struff is always my man. Thank you, Robert,
appreciate you. Colin God bless brother.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
All right, thank you, really good stuff. And Aaron Rodgers
stuff is fascinating. All right, Uh, j Mack with the news.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
All right, let's go to the Buffalo Bills. Colin brutal
loss for them to my on the road.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Now.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
The report's coming out that Josh Allen was down with
the South Beach flu, so maybe this.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Should be excused. He was quite bad the brutal red zone.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
Pick the fumble, My guy, James Cook did not Cook
had a bad fumble. It was just an all around
letdown performance, which shouldn't surprise people.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
We try to.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
Educate the folks, don't we call him Hey, you beat
the Chiefs, They're probably is going.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
To be a letdown against Miami.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Anyway.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Here's Josh Allen on his team's gross performance.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
They came ready to play. They wanted it obviously a
little more than us. I gotta be better. I'd be
better in the protection game, in the past game, in
the wrong game, all of it. You know, it's anytime
you turn it over three times two in the red zone.
Really you could count that last one, you know, driving
kind of going into the red zone. So that's that's
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a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
It was ninety degrees in Miami, a little hot into
the collar for Josh and company.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, I you know, I get that. I mean I
do get the Northern teams come down and it's hot,
Like I do get. But it's just to me, they
no energy. I mean, you have to account for that.
Like if you know, guys, it's gonna be hot, we're
gonna wear out. Then you have to have a great
first quarter. You got to just sell to your team.
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We got to come out. We're gonna have twelve scripted plays.
We gotta be dialed in because we're gonna fade in
this weather. We don't plan this weather, we don't practice
in it. But to be just out man sixteen nothing
at half with Josh Allen and James Cook, that's not
good enough.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
They didn't have ninety yards. They zero for six on
third down in the first half.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Ninety total yards against Miami's d.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Now, I'm not excusing the Bills, but again, this is
a week to week league.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You know that, Colin.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
I'm seeing reports that they were down by at the
end of the game as many as five defensive starters,
and Tua looked good other than two arm punts. Tua
looked pretty good. Wata looked pretty good. I gotta ask you,
Tampa Bay at Buffalo this week, Buffalo laying five and
a half at home.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
What's the lean there? Remember week to week league, Tampa,
by the.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Way, got smashed at home by the Patriots nys early.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I shouldn't put you on this.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I Buffalo's my play here, Yeah, yeah, Buffalo's my play now.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
We got to see the injuries.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Obviously, they're gonna need their defense because Baker, Abuca and Baker,
they've got some like mind meld going on. That's really good.
But I think Tampa's a little overrated and I think
Buffalo Bounce is back strong.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Don't write them.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Off yet, folks.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Next up the Ditch de Troit Lions.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
I can't tell if people are making too much of
this or not, but let's get into it here. So
before the game, there was a report from NFL Network
that Dan Campbell might be calling the place. Well, Campbell
takes over the play calling. However, there's some dispute as
to when it happened. Was a full game, was it halftime? Anyways,
here's Dan Campbell talking about calling plays instead of his
(14:23):
OC John Morton.
Speaker 9 (14:25):
I know what I want to do, I know how
I want to do it. Now that being said, this
is a collaborative effort. Now it was honest. It was.
It was he and I and we were good. And
it's like I told, man, I need you, you know
I need you, and but I feel like, you know,
this is something that I'm going to do. And listen,
John Morton's all team man, that's all he cares about.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, that's that's not ideal.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Well listen, you know at halftime something seemed to change.
Our staff is hot on the idea that Jamison Williams
somebody got the memo at halftime. Maybe Dan Campbell that
Jamo was unhappy he was force fed in.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
The second half. Did you see him kind of go off? Yep,
absolutely to a point. You know, they need Jamis and
Williams to develop.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
We know Willaporta and Amarah Gibbs Montgomery, but they could
use Williams to in the postseason against some of the
elite teams. I am curious, though, this was against a
Washington team that.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Is total crap.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
They've given up so many points and yards in the
last four weeks. They've lost each of those games by
twenty one or more points.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
So are you ready to crown Dan Campbell or do
you need to see it next week against I don't
know the Eagles before we say yeah, Dan Campbell knows
what he's doing. Well, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I just think I think your bigger issue is you
lost the best OC in the league and now you're
taking over duties. You can put as much makeup on
that story as you want. That's not ideal, that's not
what you want.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
And Minnesota, you know, Brian Flores had a good game
plan last week and kind.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Of bodied them. I don't want to overreact here.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
If I'm Detroit, because again, Washington team is rotten Colin Day,
there's a lot of quit on that team. I think
Detroit scored on their first seven possessions well to start
the game.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Just up and downsfield.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Washington's the oldest team in the league. Pittsburgh's the second oldest.
They're both fading fast.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Ooh, that's a nice hot take.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Or will Pittsburgh bounce back? I mean, like, I feel
like Washington it's over.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Pittsburgh could come back next week and win by fourteen.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I don't know what they.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Are so I only made one bet last night, Washington,
do you want to hear about their game this week?
So after that bludgeoning at home where they were boot
off the field stands for empty in like the fourth quarter,
Washington goes to Madrid to face the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
But after Madrid, Washington has a bye week.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
So I wonder if the wives and girlfriends are like, hey,
let's just make it two weeks in Europe. Let's stay
away from Washington. I think Washington's totally done. I think
Miami's decided this week. It's a little early to talk.
But when you're hot, you're hot. And he thoughts Miami Washington.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well, Mike McDaniel a bit of a resurrect. We had
him fired three or four weeks ago, and he's had
a couple impressive wins. So remember the coaching staff at Miami.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
The owner in.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Miami said, GM is gone. We believe in Mike McDaniel.
So he got Now it's a public vote of confidence.
But I will say this, by giving the coach a
public vote of confidence, he still has leverage with players,
or at least some level of respect. Well, they responded
so twice since that story came out, Miami's played excellent football.
(17:29):
They deserve credit.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Yeah, final story, Colin is Monday Night football, Micah Parsons
and the Packers hosting the Eagles. We're on opposite sides here,
but we want to remind everybody that Philadelphia made a
push to land Micah Parsons when the Cowboys were allegedly
thinking they would trade Parsons. Of course, Dallas said they
had zero interest in setting.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Him to a division rival.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
According to a report, Dallas did not want him going
to the Eagles so badly they are included a poison
pill condition in the trade, stating that if the Packers
send him to any team in the NFC East, it'll
cost them a twenty twenty eight first round pick. Jerry
Jones really does not want Micah in Philly.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So that's a fun little supply.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, I mean, you don't even want to send him
to an NFC team, and if you do, you're gonna
make sure he's not going back to burn you in division.
So for years and years there was kind of a
rule you never trade a star in conference. So the
fact that they did that Dallas is like, Okay, we'll
do it. You're not sending him to the Giants or
the Eagles. It's not gonna work out that And so
(18:35):
I I think green Bay doesn't want to trade him.
I mean, they didn't give you all these first round
picks because they're gonna move him. And he's a very
good player. He's in his prime for the next five years,
and I think it's very I think green Bay accepted
that for a lot of reasons. It's reasonable and they're
not moving off Micah.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
If I told you today I see green Bay and
Buffalo in the Super Bowl, you would say.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Not gonna happen. If I told you it is rams
in Kansas City, you would say, I think the Rams
pick is good.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
I don't know if the case is a playoff team.
Ton I'm sorry they got dead for this week. Favored
Big Lee on the road.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
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Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
All sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Oh boy, okay, yeah, Brian dabols out in New York,
these New York football operations. I mean that the Giants
looked at the Jets and said, oh, that worked out
so well. Firing solimn mid season. I think we'll just
copy him.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
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Speaker 1 (20:05):
So Giants fired their head coach, Brian Dable. The guy
that will be the interim former NFL player Mike Kofka,
he's interviewed for several jobs, has not landed those jobs.
But Matt hassel Back a couple of hours ago on
Kafka and the Kafka and the move going forward for
(20:26):
the Giants.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
And they're going to do a full search on anybody
on the planet that they think can help get it right.
But they have this guy that this is like a
little bit of an audition. I mean, he's the guy
for the last wedding like three or four years. His
name surfaces every time because they think that he's a.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Great quarterback whisperer. Let's see.
Speaker 10 (20:44):
His personality is completely different than Brian Daball.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Brian Daball's got it.
Speaker 10 (20:48):
Where's his emotion?
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Like? You see it, you know it.
Speaker 10 (20:50):
Mike Kafka is not like that. So it's an opportunity
for the Giants to see what they have.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, we'll see. I mean again quarterback and has a
connection with Jackson Dart. Let's see how it works. Robert
Griffin came on. He's got a different.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Idea for the Giants.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
I think they need to get rid of everybody.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I don't love the fact that they fired Brian Dable
at this point in the season.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
You're two and eight.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Normally, when coaches get fired in season, it's because you
already know the guy that you want to go get
and you want to get ahead of that, or you're
thinking it's going to spark the team.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
This team is out out of the playoffs. But here
we are, so I.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Think the only rightful decision for them to make now
is to go hire Lane Kiffin as a head coach,
because that's the only guy that knows Jackson Dart better
than any other coach in the NFL and is going
to be able to get the best out of him.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, I'll tell you strike when the iron is hot,
and right now on Lane Kiffen, the iron is hot.
I if i'm Lane Kiffin's agent, which I'm sure it's
Jimmy Sexton. He's everybody's agent in college. I did the NFL.
It was a it was old Al Davis and the Raiders.
(22:03):
You can always go back to college, Lane Kiffin, junk,
You can always.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Go back to college.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You're not gonna get a New York Giants offer again.
Right and by the way, Ole miss, this is about
where it's gonna be. Kaylin de Boor is not going
anywhere to Alabama. Kirby Smart's not an NFL guy. He's
got to go to college as go to college job
or you're.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Gonna have a Georgia. So, Kirby Smart and Kaylen de
Boor are humming.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Texas. A and M has boatloads of money and everybody
loves that coach. Stark's gonna probably make it for some
time at Texas. So it's a very crowded SCC. Or
you can go to the NFL. You're gonna make a
lot of money. You already got your quarterback and you
like him. Now, Matt rule to the NFL didn't work,
(23:02):
but I didn't necessarily. First of all, that organization and
that owner at that time highly temperamental, very erratic. The
Mars aren't erratic. I don't know if they're highly competent,
but they're not erratic.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I'm just saying, if I was Laye Kiffin, I can
come back to college and Texas A and M's got
more money than Old Miss. Georgia's got more money than
Old Miss, and Alabama's got a much bigger brand than
oll Miss. Well what about LSU the governor runs the program? No,
thank you, So i'd go pro. I would go to
Miami or the Giants if I was laying Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Colin, can I throw a curveball at you? Okay?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
And I'm not saying that this job is better than
the Giants, But the Tennessee Titans job is open. It
is in a much more winnable division. Hold on, hold on,
because we don't know if the Colts are going to
be good. Let's just be real, do we know Jacksonville's
myer to mediocrity and the Texans seem to be flailing? Okay,
Philadelphia Eagles are not going anywhere and cam Word was
(24:04):
the number one pick overwhelmingly. Are we sure the Giants
job is better than Tennessee Because the.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
GM right now in New York, I don't know how.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
The hell he's still employed. He has made blunder after blunder,
extending Jones, moving off Barkley. I mean, I don't know
how he's still got his job.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
I would definitely take the Giants over Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well, you would probably have more pull in Tennessee the
media and Tennessee how are they to deal with?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah, I mean, you go to New York. Those guys
are rabbit. They want wins.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
They think that this is still a franchise that won
a bunch of Super Bowls with parcels.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Gay, you know what the New York football operations are now,
and like this is understood in the league. You use
them to get a better offer.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I mean Mike Rabel was rumored to be with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh please, he didn't want to be with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
He wanted he wanted the Patriots job. And Josh McDaniel.
That's what people do in this league. Harball was rumored,
Oh Jim Harball New York. New York football operations are
used by the top guys to end up going places
that are better jobs, just.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Like the New York Knicks for years, remember all the
Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Lebron all this stuff.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
They were never going to go play for Dolan And
now you got Woody Johnson and Lamara family.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
And but honestly, how many wins did.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
You say in the playoffs for the Giants in the
last decade?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Is it one?
Speaker 7 (25:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That Daniel Zones went over Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Yeah, I just don't think it's as great of a
job as everybody else does.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Well, no, I think. I mean, I listen, there are
in the NFL. The job is as good as the quarterback.
If you have a quarterback that's good in his prime,
Like when Mike McCarthy got the Packers job, that was
a great job. Aaron Rodgers late prime, that's as good
as it gets Yeah, I think Mike McCarthy getting Dak
that's a really good job. Horball getting her that's an
(26:00):
a job, but most jobs. And that's why I'm saying,
Jackson Dart in the building and you've coached him for
three years, Lane Kiffin, pretty good.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Gig Let me ask you can Jet, what's the ceiling
on Jackson Dart? Can he be a top ten quarterback
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
At this current time? He can't stay out of the tent.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
So he can't really be. So I don't again. I
know people are gonna be like, you're an idiot.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's fine.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
I would rather have draft picks galore like the Jets
than be wedded to Well, let's see what Jackson Darts
got for another year.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I just whoever gets Fernando Mendoza from Indiana that is
an a prospect.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I like him a lot. He is a nice drive against.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Stake first of all, brainiac major league size, big boy arm.
I mean, there's not and he can move enough. He's
an a prospect, like like Caleb was an a prospect,
Rake May was an a prospect. Jaden Daniels was great,
but he was spindily and we worried about that. But
Jackson Darts a B prospect, cam Ward probably a B
(27:10):
plus prospect. You don't get many a's you can get
about every other year. Joe Burrow was an A prospect,
Peyton Manning was an A prospect. You know, get a
lot of A prospects. Most of these guys, to me,
they're all B prospects.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I like Dante Moore. Mendoza is an A prospect. He's
got multiple years of starting though.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Mendoza, well, he's also big with an a arm.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
More in Simpson, like again, I like Simpson a lot,
but it's one year? Is he a twenty two twenty
three year first super senior dominating him?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
In Ty Simpson When he was at Alabama, he didn't
play much for three years.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
For three years.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
If you were all that twenty nine or fifty five
with no touchdowns, he was a fifty five percent completion guy.
I mean he was that duty yeah, yeah, or forty
eight fIF fifty eight, yeah, I mean he just wasn't.
And all of a sudden, now he gets to bore
the right oh see the right receivers. I'm Mendoz is
(28:09):
doing it with B level talent. They don't have a
lot of five star guys in Indiana.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Yeah, and here's the best part. If you're the Jets,
not to take it away from the Giants, you draft
Mendoza and you don't like what you see and Aaron
Glenn doesn't work, you just move on. You got three
picks in the first round the following year, So, which
which apparently is.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
A really to draft.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I don't say this very often. Mendoz is gonna work.
That's not to think he would.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, that's an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Mendoz is an NFL If he goes draft at number
one or two, you're like, yeah, that's what that's what
it should look like.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Can we see him against the Ohio State defense, which
is freaking elite.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Nobody is gonna move the ball in Ohio State. Well,
I want to see him do it? Can he do it?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Can he know?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You don't think he's gonna be able to leave any
competitive in that game? Competitive?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yes, competitive, but I don't think he's gonna move the
ball particularly well against Ohio State. Ohio State's got one
of the best defenses the last fifteen years.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
If he vomits all over himself, you know, nine of
twenty five seventy five yards passing. I think then we
got some real questions because that defense has some NFL
dudes on it.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, you know Penn State's defenses.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
We saw Indiana played Notre Dame last year, who had
better players, and Ohio State's got defensively much better players
than India than Notre Dame had last year.
Speaker 10 (29:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
By the way, Notre Dame's a sneaky team to go
deep in the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
They are built. Great coach. How good is that running
back Love? Jeremiah Love? He's awesome.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
By the way, New York Giants, do you at least
call Marcus Freeman?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Think you have to?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You have to. If you have an NFL opening, you've
got to ask Marcus Freeman.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
He's probably not gonna take it, but he is. I
just think that guy's freaking awesome. One of the best
coaches in the country.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
All Right, good stuff today, tonight's Packers Eagles. I like Philly.
I think getting Jalen Phillips, I think they grabbed a
corner JayR Alexander with that.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
I don't know if he's going to play tonight. Yeah,
they had some pickups. I'll go Packers twenty seven to
twenty three.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Your score reverse at Philly twenty seven twenty three. So
it was it was I had a winning, blazing five week.
I took all favorites.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I took it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
One underdog I took did not work. Yeah, I took
four favorites, three of them won, and I took the
Steelers last night. And that wasn't even.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Five street winning weeks for you?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
No, uh no, it's uh. I was four and one,
four and one, four and one, two and three, three
and two.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
Oh okay, but nice thing. You remember all of your weeks,
colle huh give that when you're hot, right, yeah, nobody
remembers the start of last season.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
For the record, I didn't love the numbers last week.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Uh. If you you've seen the numbers today.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's you mean the lines, the lines? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
The Patriots are huge favorites against the Jets on Thursday
night football.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Six of seven winning weeks for blazing five, six of
seven winning weeks.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Glad the staff is all over there. There's some real
I'm just.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Telling you this weekend coming up, cancel your Sunday plans.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
No runs for you in Shytown. There are some good ones.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
There are some, Hey, Seattle at the RAMS Game of
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