November 10, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin dives deep into another wild NFL weekend! He breaks down how Caleb Williams continues to prove he’s the real deal, orchestrating yet another game-winning drive for the Chicago Bears—and reveals the two key traits Williams shares with other elite franchise quarterbacks
He talks how the Bills continue to waste the prime of Josh Allen
Then, Colin reacts to breaking NFL news: the New York Giants fire head coach Brian Daboll. What went wrong in New York, and who should be next in line to coach QB Jaxson Dart?
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One hour from now. Jmak I woke up little icing
on the cake in Chicago put.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Me in a mood for fall and winter.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So there's this one question, Jy Mack, as we start
our show today, the eternal question with the Chicago Bears
and the guys up north. The Green Bay Packers always
have an answer in Chicago never does. The eternal question
for the Chicago Bears is, but why can't we figure
quarterback out I think you have now, ironically, it's the
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defense that is hurting you.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So let's talk bears.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Not having a spy against Jackson Dart made no sense.
The Giants don't have neighbors, scat of boot, the weather
was bad. How do you not have a spy against
Jackson Dart? Bad coordinating by Dennis Allen. But the story
of the day was again a fourth quarter comeback, another
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one by Caleb Williams. And this is the thing. Jackson
Dart's young and athletic for the for the fourth time
in seven starts. Jackson Darts in the concussion protocol tent
and Caleb never is two things that have always been
true about Caleb Williams. Really durable, doesn't get hurt, and
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he doesn't throw picks. Let me add a third. He's
clutch and I don't know how to define it. I
always felt this about Joe Burrow. I don't really know
how to define it. I want to ask Jimmy Johnson,
Troy Aikman's a great leader, can you define it? He goes, no,
not really is not when you see it. And that's
what clutch is. If you start looking at Caleb Williams
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fourth quarter numbers in the four game winning drives, his
passer rating is like one forty five. He's a better
quarterback under duress, trailing, He's an unbelievable game winning drive
fourth quarter quarterback. By the way, Votenick's pretty good too,
but this feels different. So his receivers were struggling, it
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was called and multiple times, even on some incompletions, Caleb
would roll right and show off that arm. I'm not
sure is there a better arm in the league. I
think he holds the ball too long, but I think
that's born at a confidence that you can't sack him
with one body. You've got to get multiple people on him.
He's just too big. He's just too.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Strong, incredibly durable.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And we always talk about, you know, quarterbacks, what they
can do, but a lot of success. Remember Belichick talked
about Tom Brady his favorite asset, no negative plays, always
plays ahead of the sticks. And that's one of the
things about Caleb Williams. Now he's not taking the sacks
and he's never thrown a lot of interceptions, so he's
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not taking those negative plays. So much about quarterback isn't
what you do, it's what you don't do you don't
run backwards and scramble and get behind the sticks. So
I think it's official. He's still growing. But the Chicago
have their first great quarterback. They've had good ones Rex
Rozman in a couple of good years. Jay Cutler was good.
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None of them were great and I mean only three penalties.
So they've gotten the operational part, which was very clunky
early is for a lot of young quarterbacks. They've cleaned
that up. Uh, they were three or four in the
red zone, hardest place to score. So we knew Ben
Johnson Rty was the right fit and now Caleb's the
right fit for Ben Johnson. Slowly working together. So you
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watch the Bears offense, head coach, quarterback, weapons, red zone efficiency.
This is what green Bay has been doing, you know,
but nour train right up north for thirty plus years.
Now green Bay is trying to solve their offense. In
Chicago's got their solve. So again, fourth quarter rallies. It
doesn't matter what it looks like. Listen, it's cold, it's windy.
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I think Chicago Bear receivers had six drops. I mean
he throws hard. John Elway's wide receivers used to complain
about this. Like Caleb, he's got a cannon. He throws
hard and sometimes you know guys are gonna drop it.
But don't worry about the aesthetic and the optics. Fourth quarter,
they won, That's all that mattered. And here was Ben
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Johnson with his star quarterback after the game, and let me.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Tell you so now it's next guy. Man, he's got
ice in his veins. And if you don't believe it now,
you just wait. Man, the best is yet to come.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Athen just keeps getting a little better. The operation stuff
now took a few weeks. Accuracy stuff, A lot of
it was dropped yesterday when he rolled out right threw
a ball to the end zone that was out of bound.
DJ Moore couldn't get his feet down. That was forty
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yards on a line. As they say, you could hang
laundry on that thing. It was just forty yards a
line drive off the yarm of Caleb Williams. You were like, Okay,
that doesn't look like almost anybody else in the league.
I'm not sure Mahomes has that in that win. So
he is a special talent. Okay, I've been on this
for a long time. I prefer offensive coaches, especially with
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young quarterbacks as you're learning the game. Sean Payton, Andy Reid,
I think it's really valuable. Now you don't have to
have that Mike Rabel defensive guy. Right, Drake may is flourishing.
But Josh McDaniel great coordinator. But I'm watching Buffalo. I
got nothing against Sean McDermott. But the Bills are two
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and three in their last five games. Blowout loss to
Miami and lost to Atlanta. Right now, they have the
same amount of wins as San Francisco. That's running out
of players and only one more than Carolina. And here's
my thing with Sean McDermott. Something's always leaking and it
takes him an entire off season to figure it out.
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You don't have an off season. You're wasting. Josh Allen's
prime took years to solve. Now the passing game, well,
I have to wait until next year to solve it.
I mean, Justin Herbert doesn't have his tackles or his
number one running back, and Jim Harbaugh's got him in
a three game winning streak. Their offensive line is atrocious.
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Three game winning streak. San Francisco has Mac Jones quarterbacking
the receivers aren't healthy. Where's Ayuk, Where's Ricky Piersoll? Mac
Jones yesterday went thirty three at thirty nine. Buffalo has
been mostly healthy, schedule thirt easiest in the league, and
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yet they don't have a They have one win over
a team of the winning record. So in their three
losses they've averaged fifteen points with Josh Allen and James Cook.
How is that possible? And that's my knock on defensive
head coaches. They can't solve offensive issues in season. They
need their GM to solve it. Cross their fingers hopefully
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in the offseason. Andy Reid offensive line solves it in season.
Sean McVay running back, receiver, Pookah's hurt. Pookah's hurt. What
do they do? Four tight ends in London against the Jags.
Offensive coaches can solve problems with their unit and their
young quarterback, and they can do it in a week
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or two. Running game for Buffalo took forever to solve.
The GM finally had to solve it the passing game.
Now it can't take this long to solve stuff with
James Cook and Josh Allen. I mean, John Elway had
a good coach and Dan Reeves he needed a better
one than Mike Shanahan. And I mean, I got nothing
against McDermott, but watch the league as you get into
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this time. I mean, Justin Herbert is working with backup
everything in the offensive line, number three running back forgettable
tight ends? Does he have a number one receiver? And
they're in a three game winning streak. You just have
to solve stuff, right, You gotta be a fix it guy,
you know, That's what you gotta do. That's what Shanahan
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could do and Dan Reeves couldn't. And I mean Mike
Rabel right now, second year quarterback, no number one receiver,
running back by committee, although I like Trevon Henderson, which
he played more. Tight ends are okay, offensive line solid
and they're on a seven game winning streak. Sean Payton's
on a seven game winning streak with bow Knicks. Bo
Nicks is having a horrible year, okay. So my take
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is these offensive guys, you just can't go on losing streak.
She can't lose to Miami and trail sixteen to nothing
at half when you have Josh Allen can't do it.
And Sean McDermott. I just think, Josh, at this point,
I've seen enough. They'll make the playoffs. They'll be fine.
New England's already better. New England's won seven straight games.
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They go to Tampa and control the game. They went
to Buffalo and control the Bills. Here's McDermott after.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
We do need to look, continue to turn over every
stone to figure out why this is happening. I feel
like it's happened quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Your year.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
This year's probably is as much as I've been around. So,
you know, I don't know if it's I don't know
what it is. I really don't so but we've got if.
We got to figure that piece out pretty quickly.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Here.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So much of coaching is not having the answers, it's
finding them. It's solving the problems in season, week to week,
moving pieces. And I mean it's not all offense. Yesterday
the defense looked tired, gassed. Maybe it was the heat.
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It's I'm just watching teams like Denver, which is getting
subpar quarterback play. I'm watching the Chargers, who may have
the worst offensive.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Line in three years and they just keep winning.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
How is Justin Herbert that much much better than Josh
Allen how's Frabel doing it? They don't have a number
one receiver, running back by committee, O line, solid schedules, tough,
and they just keep going on the road Buffalo Tampa,
off of by Tampa and winning.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I think it's time.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I think you can't have to solve every issue in
the off season. It doesn't work that way. I don't
care if you're running a TV network, a TV show,
or a football TV I can't have an off season
to solve every problem, all right, Jay Matt Colin right,
Colin wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I took one underdog all weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It was Pittsburgh last night, and I gotta tell you,
Aaron looked old.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Oh really, oh.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Really, trying to elude Khalil Mack in the end zone.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Looked like an old guy falling down the stairs.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
That was.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
That was brutal for Aaron Rodgers. I mean that was
until that garbage time touchdown, Colin. That was trending like
one of the worst games of his NFL career. Yeah,
that's how bad he was. That's your guy.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Aaron Rodgerson still had a winning, blazing five, but that
that hurt that I went to bed unsettled.
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So I'm watching the Chargers and the Steelers last night,
and I've come to the conclusion. It took me ten weeks,
but I had figured out every team contenders for tenders,
haves have nots. I figured out every NFL team in
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ten weeks except the Pittsburgh Steelers. They hammer the Patriots,
they hammer the Colts and get beat by the Bengals,
and have now been hammered by Green Bay the Chargers
in Seattle week to week.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I have no idea what I'm getting none.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I know Aaron looked old and like he didn't want
to get hit last night, but some of it is
I don't blame him, Roman Wilson and DK Metcalf is
not a receiving corps. That's why I've defended Aaron throwing
to the tight ends all year long, because that's what
they have. I mean, they one of their tight ends.
I think he's gonna get converted to a tackle, but
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he can catch enough so they can throw it to him.
That's what they have. They have a running back. They
drafted Roman Wilson. By the way, Jim Harbaugh, Roman Wilson,
JJ McCarthy, Blake Korum. We thought they were stars in college. No,
the coach was, but I I mean, to me, it's
a bad sign as a franchise. You have no idea
what you're getting half to half in week to week,
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no idea. They're the only team in the league to
me that's completely unsolvable. And here's all I can come
up with. They're the second oldest team in the NFL,
and they're aging like milk not wine. And as the
season goes on, they look old. Second half, they look tired,
Seattle is young. Every week, Seattle looks fast and physical,
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they're growing, they're ascending. Pittsburgh looks old and tired. It's
like the Steelers are having a mid life crisis. Every
other week, fifth straight game, Aaron Rodgers passer rating has
gone down.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And so this has been I mean, listen, we all.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Know the Steelers GPS is going to steer him back
to five hundred. That's what it always does, right, They're
going to be eight, nine or nine or eight probably
the ladder. But this team last year, remember last year,
the Steak got off to a hot start with an
old quarterback, then the old quarterback, and the team faded.
This year, Gay got off to a hot start with
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an old quarterback and the old quarterback, and the team
is fading. And now it's November, and in November the
weather gets cold and you got to run the football.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Oh wait, they.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Can't, and they won't be able to solve it in season.
This is another defensive coach. So it's groundhog Day. You know,
I'm watching last night and I'm like, I don't know
what I get with Pittsburgh. They're all over the map.
Now Buffalo, I usually know what I'm getting they'll have
a stinker here there, and I think Josh Allen deserves
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an elite coach. And Steelers aren't moving off Mike Tomlin.
But it's an old roster and old people old roster
fall down the stairs, more get hurt, more longer to heal.
What else can I say? Here's Aaron after.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I expect to play great every single week, and this
was not my best performance. I got to play better
in this for us to win. Whatever it takes, I
gotta make a you know, if it's if it's better checks,
if it's better throws, whatever it is, I gotta play better.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
They don't really have a downfield passing attack. They don't.
It's tight ends and DK metcalf that's what they have.
And they can't run. So it's up to Aaron to
solve it because Tomlin won't and can't, so they can't
run it. It's getting cold. They don't have a downfield attack.
That's why I've defended Aaron all year. They're thrown to
the right people. Friar mood Washington, you know DK underneath
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that you so much of this league again is solving
dilemmas week to week. I don't think they can. I
think this is kind of what they are. They've been
blown out now by Seattle and Green Bay and then
last night the Chargers. I think that's closer to what
they are than what I saw last week and what
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they did to the turnover own Daniel Jones, Coles Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Perhaps Rogers needs a midweek darkness retreat to, you know,
recalibrate things in Pittsburgh. You know who doesn't need one?
The La Rams Colin. Oh my gosh. Rams looking like
the best team in the NFL right now and Matt
Stafford leading the way.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
He became the first.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Player in NFL history to throw four touchdowns in three
straight games. How about this last six games, twenty touchdowns,
zero picks. Wow, the Rams roll the Niners. We called
this on Friday. Here's DeVante Adams talking about his MVP quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Well, I mean, it's looked like MVP played to me
all year, to be honest, I mean even even certain games.
I mean, like I said that the pick he threw
against Tennessee and the way he bounced back after that,
Like that's how an MVP plays.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
It's me.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
So, you know, just to rally a team and continue
to lead at a high level after not when things
don't go your way. I think that's what really shows
what an MVP is about.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
For the record, I think this is the best coach
team in the league on any given Sunday. No penalties
at least as yeah, no penalties against your rival on
the road. No penalties. I mean the Vikings had eight
false starts at home, thirteen penalties, Rams none. So this team.
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I said this three weeks ago, I said it last week.
I'll say it again. It's the most efficient team in
the league. They're good in the red zone, they don't
get penalies, they can run, they don't turn the ball
over like you have to beat the Rams. The Rams
do not beat themselves. So right now, to me, I'll
make an argument. I'll watch tonight, but this is the
best team in the league.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Now it feels like certainly they've evolved there.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Speaking of evolution, Colin, you know, like we constantly talk about,
you've got to continue to change. The example I always
use is Belichick, right, He continued to tinker with the
Patriots for two decades. They were tight end heavy slot receiver,
heavy runback defense. I mean, you look at the Rams.
Have you noticed this three tight end set that day's doing.
We talked about it after that London game. I was
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totally shocked he did it against the Jags. Calling the
last three games, nobody can stop the Rams when they
put three tight ends on the field. They don't know
what's coming.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
He did.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
A runner is at a pass. I mean, the offensive scored.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Over thirty points in the last three with these three
tight end sets, and the forty nine ers defense looked
so confused. This was twenty one nothing in like it
felt like five seconds.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, and I was surprised by this. I wasn't surprised
in the late window by a Seattle blowout or a
Lions blowout. I thought this would be I mean, I
thought the Rams would win. I think I called it
Friday twenty four to twenty three. And Beck Jones, for
the record, was great. Thirty three at thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, yeah, he was good. He put up some numbers.
Here's some people trying to.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Make this up.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well, Mack Jones could be just I don't want to
go there. I mean they lost, but yeah, mac Jones
was very solid.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Still don't have vu Ricky Piersoll's missing if you want
to be trouble for the Niners. Besides the defense, Christian
McCaffrey couldn't run anywhere, but Brian Robinson could. I don't
know if you noticed that. I don't want to say
McCaffrey slowing down. But the trend lines are not good
for the Niners. But let's go back to a positive story, Colin,
and that's your Seattle Seahawks. I laughed at you when
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you said the Seahawks were a playoff team preseason, and
oh my gosh, they just destroyed the Cardinals. This was
thirty five zero, Yes, thirty five nothing. I mean, what
an unbelievable performance. JSN won nuts. The defense scored two touchdowns,
both by DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Here's JSN talking about what makes Seattle such a great team.
Speaker 10 (20:48):
Preparation, our culture in the building, the guys that we
have in this locker room, you know, doing whatever it
takes to win. That's from Monday to Sunday, and you
know what we're building here. We all feel like we
have something special and we just want to keep it
going and protect what we have.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
From this point forward.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I would never draft anything but an Ohio state wide receiver.
I mean, between it Muka and that kid, and they
got two more great ones in school. I mean all
of the even Harrison can be a bit moody and disappear,
but arizonas that. You know what, This kid is so good.
First receiver to one thousand yards and now they've they
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added the receiver from New Orleans, which is going to
take two or three weeks for them to figure out.
But I'll tell you turn the sound down on Seattle
and watch them. This has to be the fastest team
in the league. Everybody can run on this team. Everybody safeties, corners,
defensive ends. This team is just fast.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Lawrence looks like a beefed up like Kim Chancellor when
he's driving the ball and running.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I was stunned. Me let me just point this out.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
So four teams this season had scored thirty or more
points in the first half.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Seattle's done.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
It is three of them. Three of the four is Seattle.
This team is unstoppable. Now this comes from an Oregon
guy here on staff, your boy Zac. So Sam Darnold
amazing in the first half. He's been the best quarterback
in the first half this season seventy five percent Colin.
According to splits Weirdly, he hasn't been as good in
the second half.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Now, some of it is great gamescript right now.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Some of it is some of it leading by five touchdowns.
It's hard to generate enthusiasm from the big uglies up front.
I mean, yesterday Donald had two of the strangest turnovers
of all time. One of his paths has hit a
tight end helmet. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
So he's taking more sacks in the second half, more interceptions,
his completion percentages down significantly, his quarterback rating drops by
about forty five points. So I'm not, again, not overreacting,
but I do wonder. I don't want to get into
the MVP discussion with Donald. It's a little goofy, but
this is a guy who we know last year imploded
at the end of the season in Minnesota, and that's
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largely why he's not there.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
I know when we get to the high leverage playoff games,
we're not gonna be facing Arizona. They're gonna be facing
Philly Packers, Rams not.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Do you have.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Confidence in Darnold?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yes, absolutely. One person in America. Two people in America
didn't bail on him, Kyle Shanahan and me I'll encower Yes.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Final story, Let's go to college football because this.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Has to be as of now the catch of the year.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Indiana storms back to beat Penn State in a great game,
future Jet quarterback mister Mendoza with an unbelievable final drive.
I think they went eighty seven yards and Mendoza delivers Colin.
We have the call from Gus Johnson. Listen to the
great Gus Johnson on Indiana's way.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Mendoza drove it down.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That was the best second half of a football game
I have seen in college football this year, and the
best last second drive. If you watch Dante more in
the lousy weather in Iowa and Mendoza in that that's
those are your two best college quarterbacks. They were both
so good in big spots. Mendoza throws eight. I mean,
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that's an NFL throw in the NFL, if you're a
quarterback front of the end zone, low, back to the
end zone, high so nobody can get it. That is
literally exactly how you make the throw like Mendoza made
two or three on that final drive. Mendoza made two
to three. I mean first round top pick throws looks the.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Part the kid Cooper.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
If you watch his momentum, it's like carrying him out
of bound. So initially you're like, there's no way he's
getting his feet down, but his feet seem to kind
of go back in time and drift back toward the field.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It was insane, unbelievable win for Indiana.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
It obviously sets up Indiana Ohio State still being undefeated,
essentially for the number one spot in the college football rankings.
So the new rankings come out tomorrow, it seems like
the Big ten's probably only going to get three in
If usc somehow takes down Oregon, then it gets real interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Okay, Ohio State number one, BAMA two, Indiana three. I
don't buy Texas A and M, like everybody else does.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I think largely I would agree with you.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
I am curious the Oregon rally against Iowa, and I
don't know if we'll get to it later.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I watched the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
That was a hell of a fourth quarter. Iowa was plucky.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I don't like to do. And here's the thing. They
covered crappy weather for a West Coast team going to
the Midwest. Now Oregon plays in that kind of weather
two or three times a year in Autson. But I
thought it was an impressive win and Ioways got like,
you know, seven NFL guys. Iowa was well coached, that
throw right there by Dante Moore come on in that
weather and Oregon was down.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I think Oregon was down. I could be wrong.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Four of their top five receivers were down a lot
of guys. I mean, they were down all their perimeter guys.
So that win was way more impressive than it won't
get nearly the credit it deserves. Oh it's just Iowa,
Iowa in that weather at home, Oregon just reeling skill players.
That was a huge win by them.
Speaker 10 (26:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Great, great cover though cover by the Hawkeyes. They deliver
it home. Colin, Yes, I know you love game.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Okay, back to back college. I watched one that I
watched the other, and I'm like, it was a wild Saturday.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
J Mack with the news, Well.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
You know, you know when you're learning to drive, remember
that in like high school and you have the driver's
ed teacher and you're sitting there driving and right next
to you, mine's name was Steve Steve Bridge, he was
the driver's ed teacher had my football coach. He was,
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and so you got to not only be able to
drive when the driver's head teacher sitting next to you,
but when he gets out, you can't veer into a
tree or you really can't drive. That's JJ McCarthy of
Minnesota after the first scripted drive of the game. Folks,
(27:21):
you can't convince me it works. It doesn't. His first
drive this year, first drives, he completes seventy eight percent
of his.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Throws after that fifty one.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Again, he's great when the driver's head teacher is in
the right seat. Eventually the teacher leaves the car and
you gotta drive. So justin Jefferson's three worst games, the
three JJ McCarthy starts, So, I mean the other thing
that was troubling, eight false starts for a home game.
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False starts. That's the boiling the water part of culinary school.
Have you turned the stove on? You can't have eight
full starts in his season. That was the most in
twenty five years for a home team. So Josh Dobbs,
remember Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
He came to.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Kevin O'Connell you remember that game, no practices, So Josh
Dobbs backup, career, backup, no practices, engineered thirty one points
of offense, one hundred and two, passer rating. JJ McCarthy
off script passer ratings fifty seven. The hardest thing in
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the NFL, in my opinion, beyond just winning, is acknowledging
for gms and coaches. We made a mistake on that
first round pick. The Colts admitted it with Anthony Richardson,
the Niners admitted it with Trey Lance, and there's no rush.
I'd let JJ McCarthy play the entire year. Got nothing
to lose. You're not as good as Chicago, You're not
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as good as Green Bay, You're not as good as Detroit.
It's just not going to work. But I mean, the
operation doesn't work. I do think if you're good in
the first drive, it means you're coachable. And I think
his arm is an NFL arm. But Kevin O'Connell's had
seven quarterbacks in Minnesota, JJ is sixth, and I'm watching
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Justin Jefferson and he's about done with it, So I
I don't know, I'm watching it. I don't want to
be negative.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
He was the one.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I don't want to do confirmation bias because this was
the one first round quarterback I didn't I didn't get it.
What we've seen about all those Michigan guys, Roman Wilson,
Blake Korham, we've noted if you noticed this, Jj, Have
you noticed this? They're not as good as pros. It's
not like the Georgia guys that come in like Jalen
Carter and are immediately a top two player in the
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league at his position.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It's not the Bama guys.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That walk in the wide receivers and you're like, oh yeah,
A lot of those Michigan guys. A lot of it
was hardball, and I'm watching and I know he's a winner.
I get it, but I don't get the traits. I
don't see it. It's not me bee a negative. I
just don't see it. Here's JJ McCarthy after the loss.
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It was there.
Speaker 11 (30:21):
We just kept shooting ourselves in the foot, and you know,
I take full responsibility for the pre snap you know,
procedure penalties. You know, we got three turnovers and just
you know, too many things that you know, don't set
us up for success. You know, when the clock hit zero,
so we just got to go back to work, watch
this film and you know, really clean up all the
little things, because that's what hurt us to say.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Now again, he moves pretty well. I think he has
a nice arm. Be a nice arm. He moves well.
Nice kid, seems smart, hard to get into Michigan. I'd
let him play the rest of the year, you know.
I mean, maybe you know, listen, I like Michael Pennix,
I don't. I don't like the way that looks. So
I mean, stuff can change. There's no quoe. I was
very first two weeks three weeks of Caleb Williams. He
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couldn't get the operational stuff down. So it's I mean,
seems like a good kid working hard.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Again.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
He moves, he moves better than average. Well, he moves average.
He's fine, He's got a nice arm. I mean, he
makes NFL throws. But I I don't know what it is.
I think I've said this with bow Nicks. I feel
like bo Nix is nervous. I don't know exactly what
it is because everybody tells me this is gonna work,
and ah, I just don't see it. So maybe I'm wrong.
(31:30):
I've been I you know, listen. I thought the Steelers
would win last night, so I whiff as much as anybody.
But you know, if you're a Minnesota fan, I've just
seen guys work at quarterback for this organization without a practice,
So I just feel like we're going on two years
of stuff. It's got to get smoother than this. It
can't be this bumpy. Gotta be able to drive the
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car once the driver's head teacher goes back to class
and you drive home. Right, at some point, it's your car.
You're the driver, there's no nobody else in it.
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Speaker 1 (32:20):
All Right, Adam Schefter just broke the story. Brian Dabole
has been fired New York Giants head coach. I think
it's idiotic. So this is what the New York Jets
did last year. The New York franchise just don't know
what they're doing. So the Jets last year, let's fire
the best coach we have, Robert Sala. How it work embarrassing.
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So the best coach the Giants have is Brian Dable,
who works really well with Jackson Dart. So you're gonna
let him walk out of the building and then you're
gonna have like the third or fourth best coach on
the staff takeovers the interim guy, and if he wins
a couple of games, every fan going to be going, hey,
that's our guy. Never fire the best coach on your staff.
(33:06):
And if you have to do it at the end
of a season, in the middle of a season, to
fire Robert Sala, the Jets went sideways in fifteen minutes.
I mean it's until yesterday Sala was up for Coordinator
of the Year. They have no players left in San Francisco.
So again, these New York franchises, I don't know if
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it's talk radio that drives it, or the newspapers or
the fans or the media, but I mean, this is
the Jets a year ago. You're firing your best coach.
If you want to fire him at the end of
the year, that's fine. But he has a really good
relationship with the most important person on your team, Jackson Dart,
what are you doing? Just like last year, Robert Sala
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great relationship with Sauce Gardner and Quinn Williams fired him,
circled the drain. So you know I would hire Dable
as a coordinator in fifteen minutes. Does he get another
head coaching job?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Possible?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I mean maybe it's probable, But I've said before with
Robert slip, Robert Sala deserves a second crack. He's a
great defensive coach. He just got to get the offensive guy, right.
I think Dable's an excellent offensive coach. Neighbors isn't healthy.
Scataboo's not healthy, and they let and I can tee,
I guarantee you. Here's why they fired him. Well, it's
the fourth time we've led by ten, you know, late
(34:27):
in the game. Yeah, but you don't have a running back.
So it's hard when your quarterback who's athletic, gets dinged
up where he could run around and get first downs. Instead,
you go to old man Russell Wilson, who is not
Jackson Dart at this point, and you don't have Scataboo.
So when you have these ten point leads, what you
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want to do is run the ball. That is the key,
especially in November late October November football. Well, Scataboo's gone,
so it is harder when you have a lead to
melk the clock and eat the clock. And you don't
have Scataboo and Jackson Dark gets banged up. So and
coming up here this schedule Green Bay at Detroit at
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New England. Let's see how you do with an interim coach.
Good luck. That's the three toughest games in a row
in the schedule. Good luck. And for the record, if
I would have told you before the season started, let's say,
let's say they beat the Raiders and they beat Washington
and they finish four and thirteen. If I would have
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told you before the season, okay, listen, they finish four
and thirteen or five and twelve. But neighbors in Scataboo
both get hurt, and Jackson Dark plays really well with
Brian Davel, you'd be like, y'all'll sign up for it.
You had no reasonable person looked at this schedule and thought, oh,
it's a nine win team or an eight win team.
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We say I picked them for fourth and division I
think third or fourth. I mean they weren't a playoff team.
So I always say this anytime my wife gets all
work up about the kids. I'm like, well, would you
have signed up for this or this or this?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And the answer is usually yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not
as bad.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
As you think. If I'd have told you Neighbors gets hurt,
Andrew Thomas in and out of the lineup, Scataboo gets hurt.
Dallas is better than everybody thinks. But Jackson Dart emerges
as a franchise quarterback. You just signed up for that.
So these New York football teams are so absurdly reactionary.
(36:27):
You know, this is the Jets in a different uniform.
Good luck. And again, when you fire coaches mid season,
it's kind of humiliating, right. They are going to be
people that look at that job and like Jackson Dart
and they're like, yeah, I want to sign up for that.
I don't know if I want to sign up for that.
You're going to go and hire a coordinator. I'll tell
you right now. If I was the New York Giants,
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I can sit here and complain. I'd hire Mike McCarthy.
That's who I would go.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Hire.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Mike McCarthy with Aaron Rodgers with Cooper Rush, with Dak Prescott.
Mike McCarthy's quarterbacks win and perform very well. I would
hire Mike McCarthy. The only advantage to firing Brian Dable
is that you can get on the phone this afternoon.
I don't know what are the rules in the NFL
on coaches stuff. There's probably some arcane rule you can't
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call before this and that. I would just send messages
through agents in the right channels. Mike McCarthy's who we want.
That's my solution. Don't get caught up because watch what happens.
Some interim guy goes out and wins three games, and
every Giant fans like that. Yeah, players respond to that guy.
That's my substitute teacher rule. Everybody loves the substitute teacher. Okay,
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So thirteen seasons the Giants have one playoff win. Brian
Dabele and Daniel Jones. Okay, so you can complain all
you want. He got Daniel Jones of the playoffs and
Jackson Dart. He was the guy in the building that
loved Jackson Dart right like. There were a lot of naysayers,
myself included.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
We didn't like Jack.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I was like, Jackson Dart's the second round guy. I
said that. I said, I've seen him with Lane Kevin
for a couple of years. He's got talent, He's a
draftable quarterback. He's a second round guy. Right now. He
looks better than cam Ward. And the one guy that
kept pounding on his chest was Brian Babel.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
He was the one guy that's my guy.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
All Right, the Giants interim head coach will be there,
sixth since twenty sixteen. Ben mcannew spags Pat Shermer, Joe Judge,
Brian Babel.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
All right, you know this whole charade.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Now, I know you hate the Giants, so you probably
think this is the greatest day of all time.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
No, shockingly, I kind of agree with you because of
Jackson Dart's been so good here the media, it's like
the talking points came from high above. The owner is
like basically texting every media member, well, he started two
and eight each of the last three years, Like they
had one of the lowest wind totals in the league.
This year two years ago was the Daniel Jones injury.
I believe coming off the playoff here, they're killing Dabo
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for blowing these leads Colin with a rookie quarterback and
no skill position players. He's throwing a Darius Slayton and
Theo Johnson they're building leads. The fact that he can't
hold him obviously not great. But you got a rookie quarterback.
I'm stunned because Colin, I'll be honest, what if the
next coach evaluates Dart and says, yeah, he looks okay,
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not from my system, then you've got to restart over
at quarterback.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
It's not a given that Jackson.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Dart is their franchise quarterback, but with Dables thinking about.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
This, so yesterday against the Bears on the road, Scataboo's out,
neighbors is out, Jackson Dart concussion out, And because you
couldn't win Cam Up Williams and that skill group against
Russell Wilson, and because you couldn't win on the road
in the snow, and people are talking about, well, I
remember that there's a situational play that all the Giant
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fans were complaining about.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
Within one do you go fourth and one up seven
or do you kick the field to go to go
do up two scores?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I could barely get it out. I hadn't sure.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
Maybe you go for the touchdown there, but whatever, I mean,
you're not firing the coach off that. Hey, Colin, where's
Dable coaching next year? Is he a head coach or
an OC?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
He'll interview for the Dolphins job. Probably. He's rougher than
Mike McDaniel. He's kind of groff. He's the opposite of
the McDaniel. Colin right, Colin wrong on the Monday next
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
You know, I'm trying to get management to give us
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(00:50):
One hour from now. Jmak I woke up little icing
on the cake in Chicago put.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Me in a mood for fall and winter.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So there's this one question, Jy Mack, as we start
our show today, the eternal question with the Chicago Bears
and the guys up north. The Green Bay Packers always
have an answer in Chicago never does. The eternal question
for the Chicago Bears is, but why can't we figure
quarterback out I think you have now, ironically, it's the
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defense that is hurting you.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So let's talk bears.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Not having a spy against Jackson Dart made no sense.
The Giants don't have neighbors, scat of boot, the weather
was bad. How do you not have a spy against
Jackson Dart? Bad coordinating by Dennis Allen. But the story
of the day was again a fourth quarter comeback, another
(01:53):
one by Caleb Williams. And this is the thing. Jackson
Dart's young and athletic for the for the fourth time
in seven starts. Jackson Darts in the concussion protocol tent
and Caleb never is two things that have always been
true about Caleb Williams. Really durable, doesn't get hurt, and
(02:18):
he doesn't throw picks. Let me add a third. He's
clutch and I don't know how to define it. I
always felt this about Joe Burrow. I don't really know
how to define it. I want to ask Jimmy Johnson,
Troy Aikman's a great leader, can you define it? He goes, no,
not really is not when you see it. And that's
what clutch is. If you start looking at Caleb Williams
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fourth quarter numbers in the four game winning drives, his
passer rating is like one forty five. He's a better
quarterback under duress, trailing, He's an unbelievable game winning drive
fourth quarter quarterback. By the way, Votenick's pretty good too,
but this feels different. So his receivers were struggling, it
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was called and multiple times, even on some incompletions, Caleb
would roll right and show off that arm. I'm not
sure is there a better arm in the league. I
think he holds the ball too long, but I think
that's born at a confidence that you can't sack him
with one body. You've got to get multiple people on him.
He's just too big. He's just too.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Strong, incredibly durable.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And we always talk about, you know, quarterbacks, what they
can do, but a lot of success. Remember Belichick talked
about Tom Brady his favorite asset, no negative plays, always
plays ahead of the sticks. And that's one of the
things about Caleb Williams. Now he's not taking the sacks
and he's never thrown a lot of interceptions, so he's
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not taking those negative plays. So much about quarterback isn't
what you do, it's what you don't do you don't
run backwards and scramble and get behind the sticks. So
I think it's official. He's still growing. But the Chicago
have their first great quarterback. They've had good ones Rex
Rozman in a couple of good years. Jay Cutler was good.
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None of them were great and I mean only three penalties.
So they've gotten the operational part, which was very clunky
early is for a lot of young quarterbacks. They've cleaned
that up. Uh, they were three or four in the
red zone, hardest place to score. So we knew Ben
Johnson Rty was the right fit and now Caleb's the
right fit for Ben Johnson. Slowly working together. So you
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watch the Bears offense, head coach, quarterback, weapons, red zone efficiency.
This is what green Bay has been doing, you know,
but nour train right up north for thirty plus years.
Now green Bay is trying to solve their offense. In
Chicago's got their solve. So again, fourth quarter rallies. It
doesn't matter what it looks like. Listen, it's cold, it's windy.
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I think Chicago Bear receivers had six drops. I mean
he throws hard. John Elway's wide receivers used to complain
about this. Like Caleb, he's got a cannon. He throws
hard and sometimes you know guys are gonna drop it.
But don't worry about the aesthetic and the optics. Fourth quarter,
they won, That's all that mattered. And here was Ben
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Johnson with his star quarterback after the game, and let me.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Tell you so now it's next guy. Man, he's got
ice in his veins. And if you don't believe it now,
you just wait. Man, the best is yet to come.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Athen just keeps getting a little better. The operation stuff
now took a few weeks. Accuracy stuff, A lot of
it was dropped yesterday when he rolled out right threw
a ball to the end zone that was out of bound.
DJ Moore couldn't get his feet down. That was forty
(05:49):
yards on a line. As they say, you could hang
laundry on that thing. It was just forty yards a
line drive off the yarm of Caleb Williams. You were like, Okay,
that doesn't look like almost anybody else in the league.
I'm not sure Mahomes has that in that win. So
he is a special talent. Okay, I've been on this
for a long time. I prefer offensive coaches, especially with
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young quarterbacks as you're learning the game. Sean Payton, Andy Reid,
I think it's really valuable. Now you don't have to
have that Mike Rabel defensive guy. Right, Drake may is flourishing.
But Josh McDaniel great coordinator. But I'm watching Buffalo. I
got nothing against Sean McDermott. But the Bills are two
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and three in their last five games. Blowout loss to
Miami and lost to Atlanta. Right now, they have the
same amount of wins as San Francisco. That's running out
of players and only one more than Carolina. And here's
my thing with Sean McDermott. Something's always leaking and it
takes him an entire off season to figure it out.
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You don't have an off season. You're wasting. Josh Allen's
prime took years to solve. Now the passing game, well,
I have to wait until next year to solve it.
I mean, Justin Herbert doesn't have his tackles or his
number one running back, and Jim Harbaugh's got him in
a three game winning streak. Their offensive line is atrocious.
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Three game winning streak. San Francisco has Mac Jones quarterbacking
the receivers aren't healthy. Where's Ayuk, Where's Ricky Piersoll? Mac
Jones yesterday went thirty three at thirty nine. Buffalo has
been mostly healthy, schedule thirt easiest in the league, and
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yet they don't have a They have one win over
a team of the winning record. So in their three
losses they've averaged fifteen points with Josh Allen and James Cook.
How is that possible? And that's my knock on defensive
head coaches. They can't solve offensive issues in season. They
need their GM to solve it. Cross their fingers hopefully
(07:59):
in the offseason. Andy Reid offensive line solves it in season.
Sean McVay running back, receiver, Pookah's hurt. Pookah's hurt. What
do they do? Four tight ends in London against the Jags.
Offensive coaches can solve problems with their unit and their
young quarterback, and they can do it in a week
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or two. Running game for Buffalo took forever to solve.
The GM finally had to solve it the passing game.
Now it can't take this long to solve stuff with
James Cook and Josh Allen. I mean, John Elway had
a good coach and Dan Reeves he needed a better
one than Mike Shanahan. And I mean, I got nothing
against McDermott, but watch the league as you get into
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this time. I mean, Justin Herbert is working with backup
everything in the offensive line, number three running back forgettable
tight ends? Does he have a number one receiver? And
they're in a three game winning streak. You just have
to solve stuff, right, You gotta be a fix it guy,
you know, That's what you gotta do. That's what Shanahan
(09:06):
could do and Dan Reeves couldn't. And I mean Mike
Rabel right now, second year quarterback, no number one receiver,
running back by committee, although I like Trevon Henderson, which
he played more. Tight ends are okay, offensive line solid
and they're on a seven game winning streak. Sean Payton's
on a seven game winning streak with bow Knicks. Bo
Nicks is having a horrible year, okay. So my take
(09:29):
is these offensive guys, you just can't go on losing streak.
She can't lose to Miami and trail sixteen to nothing
at half when you have Josh Allen can't do it.
And Sean McDermott. I just think, Josh, at this point,
I've seen enough. They'll make the playoffs. They'll be fine.
New England's already better. New England's won seven straight games.
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They go to Tampa and control the game. They went
to Buffalo and control the Bills. Here's McDermott after.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
We do need to look, continue to turn over every
stone to figure out why this is happening. I feel
like it's happened quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Your year.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
This year's probably is as much as I've been around. So,
you know, I don't know if it's I don't know
what it is. I really don't so but we've got if.
We got to figure that piece out pretty quickly.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Here.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So much of coaching is not having the answers, it's
finding them. It's solving the problems in season, week to week,
moving pieces. And I mean it's not all offense. Yesterday
the defense looked tired, gassed. Maybe it was the heat.
(10:44):
It's I'm just watching teams like Denver, which is getting
subpar quarterback play. I'm watching the Chargers, who may have
the worst offensive.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Line in three years and they just keep winning.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
How is Justin Herbert that much much better than Josh
Allen how's Frabel doing it? They don't have a number
one receiver, running back by committee, O line, solid schedules, tough,
and they just keep going on the road Buffalo Tampa,
off of by Tampa and winning.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I think it's time.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I think you can't have to solve every issue in
the off season. It doesn't work that way. I don't
care if you're running a TV network, a TV show,
or a football TV I can't have an off season
to solve every problem, all right, Jay Matt Colin right,
Colin wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I took one underdog all weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It was Pittsburgh last night, and I gotta tell you,
Aaron looked old.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Oh really, oh.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Really, trying to elude Khalil Mack in the end zone.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Looked like an old guy falling down the stairs.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
That was.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
That was brutal for Aaron Rodgers. I mean that was
until that garbage time touchdown, Colin. That was trending like
one of the worst games of his NFL career. Yeah,
that's how bad he was. That's your guy.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Aaron Rodgerson still had a winning, blazing five, but that
that hurt that I went to bed unsettled.
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So I'm watching the Chargers and the Steelers last night,
and I've come to the conclusion. It took me ten weeks,
but I had figured out every team contenders for tenders,
haves have nots. I figured out every NFL team in
(13:07):
ten weeks except the Pittsburgh Steelers. They hammer the Patriots,
they hammer the Colts and get beat by the Bengals,
and have now been hammered by Green Bay the Chargers
in Seattle week to week.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I have no idea what I'm getting none.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I know Aaron looked old and like he didn't want
to get hit last night, but some of it is
I don't blame him, Roman Wilson and DK Metcalf is
not a receiving corps. That's why I've defended Aaron throwing
to the tight ends all year long, because that's what
they have. I mean, they one of their tight ends.
I think he's gonna get converted to a tackle, but
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he can catch enough so they can throw it to him.
That's what they have. They have a running back. They
drafted Roman Wilson. By the way, Jim Harbaugh, Roman Wilson,
JJ McCarthy, Blake Korum. We thought they were stars in college. No,
the coach was, but I I mean, to me, it's
a bad sign as a franchise. You have no idea
what you're getting half to half in week to week,
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no idea. They're the only team in the league to
me that's completely unsolvable. And here's all I can come
up with. They're the second oldest team in the NFL,
and they're aging like milk not wine. And as the
season goes on, they look old. Second half, they look tired,
Seattle is young. Every week, Seattle looks fast and physical,
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they're growing, they're ascending. Pittsburgh looks old and tired. It's
like the Steelers are having a mid life crisis. Every
other week, fifth straight game, Aaron Rodgers passer rating has
gone down.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And so this has been I mean, listen, we all.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Know the Steelers GPS is going to steer him back
to five hundred. That's what it always does, right, They're
going to be eight, nine or nine or eight probably
the ladder. But this team last year, remember last year,
the Steak got off to a hot start with an
old quarterback, then the old quarterback, and the team faded.
This year, Gay got off to a hot start with
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an old quarterback and the old quarterback, and the team
is fading. And now it's November, and in November the
weather gets cold and you got to run the football.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Oh wait, they.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Can't, and they won't be able to solve it in season.
This is another defensive coach. So it's groundhog Day. You know,
I'm watching last night and I'm like, I don't know
what I get with Pittsburgh. They're all over the map.
Now Buffalo, I usually know what I'm getting they'll have
a stinker here there, and I think Josh Allen deserves
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an elite coach. And Steelers aren't moving off Mike Tomlin.
But it's an old roster and old people old roster
fall down the stairs, more get hurt, more longer to heal.
What else can I say? Here's Aaron after.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I expect to play great every single week, and this
was not my best performance. I got to play better
in this for us to win. Whatever it takes, I
gotta make a you know, if it's if it's better checks,
if it's better throws, whatever it is, I gotta play better.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
They don't really have a downfield passing attack. They don't.
It's tight ends and DK metcalf that's what they have.
And they can't run. So it's up to Aaron to
solve it because Tomlin won't and can't, so they can't
run it. It's getting cold. They don't have a downfield attack.
That's why I've defended Aaron all year. They're thrown to
the right people. Friar mood Washington, you know DK underneath
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that you so much of this league again is solving
dilemmas week to week. I don't think they can. I
think this is kind of what they are. They've been
blown out now by Seattle and Green Bay and then
last night the Chargers. I think that's closer to what
they are than what I saw last week and what
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they did to the turnover own Daniel Jones, Coles Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Perhaps Rogers needs a midweek darkness retreat to, you know,
recalibrate things in Pittsburgh. You know who doesn't need one?
The La Rams Colin. Oh my gosh. Rams looking like
the best team in the NFL right now and Matt
Stafford leading the way.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
He became the first.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Player in NFL history to throw four touchdowns in three
straight games. How about this last six games, twenty touchdowns,
zero picks. Wow, the Rams roll the Niners. We called
this on Friday. Here's DeVante Adams talking about his MVP quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Well, I mean, it's looked like MVP played to me
all year, to be honest, I mean even even certain games.
I mean, like I said that the pick he threw
against Tennessee and the way he bounced back after that,
Like that's how an MVP plays.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
It's me.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
So, you know, just to rally a team and continue
to lead at a high level after not when things
don't go your way. I think that's what really shows
what an MVP is about.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
For the record, I think this is the best coach
team in the league on any given Sunday. No penalties
at least as yeah, no penalties against your rival on
the road. No penalties. I mean the Vikings had eight
false starts at home, thirteen penalties, Rams none. So this team.
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I said this three weeks ago, I said it last week.
I'll say it again. It's the most efficient team in
the league. They're good in the red zone, they don't
get penalies, they can run, they don't turn the ball
over like you have to beat the Rams. The Rams
do not beat themselves. So right now, to me, I'll
make an argument. I'll watch tonight, but this is the
best team in the league.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Now it feels like certainly they've evolved there.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Speaking of evolution, Colin, you know, like we constantly talk about,
you've got to continue to change. The example I always
use is Belichick, right, He continued to tinker with the
Patriots for two decades. They were tight end heavy slot receiver,
heavy runback defense. I mean, you look at the Rams.
Have you noticed this three tight end set that day's doing.
We talked about it after that London game. I was
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totally shocked he did it against the Jags. Calling the
last three games, nobody can stop the Rams when they
put three tight ends on the field. They don't know
what's coming.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
He did.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
A runner is at a pass. I mean, the offensive scored.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Over thirty points in the last three with these three
tight end sets, and the forty nine ers defense looked
so confused. This was twenty one nothing in like it
felt like five seconds.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, and I was surprised by this. I wasn't surprised
in the late window by a Seattle blowout or a
Lions blowout. I thought this would be I mean, I
thought the Rams would win. I think I called it
Friday twenty four to twenty three. And Beck Jones, for
the record, was great. Thirty three at thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, yeah, he was good. He put up some numbers.
Here's some people trying to.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Make this up.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well, Mack Jones could be just I don't want to
go there. I mean they lost, but yeah, mac Jones
was very solid.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Still don't have vu Ricky Piersoll's missing if you want
to be trouble for the Niners. Besides the defense, Christian
McCaffrey couldn't run anywhere, but Brian Robinson could. I don't
know if you noticed that. I don't want to say
McCaffrey slowing down. But the trend lines are not good
for the Niners. But let's go back to a positive story, Colin,
and that's your Seattle Seahawks. I laughed at you when
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you said the Seahawks were a playoff team preseason, and
oh my gosh, they just destroyed the Cardinals. This was
thirty five zero, Yes, thirty five nothing. I mean, what
an unbelievable performance. JSN won nuts. The defense scored two touchdowns,
both by DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Here's JSN talking about what makes Seattle such a great team.
Speaker 10 (20:48):
Preparation, our culture in the building, the guys that we
have in this locker room, you know, doing whatever it
takes to win. That's from Monday to Sunday, and you
know what we're building here. We all feel like we
have something special and we just want to keep it
going and protect what we have.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
From this point forward.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I would never draft anything but an Ohio state wide receiver.
I mean, between it Muka and that kid, and they
got two more great ones in school. I mean all
of the even Harrison can be a bit moody and disappear,
but arizonas that. You know what, This kid is so good.
First receiver to one thousand yards and now they've they
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added the receiver from New Orleans, which is going to
take two or three weeks for them to figure out.
But I'll tell you turn the sound down on Seattle
and watch them. This has to be the fastest team
in the league. Everybody can run on this team. Everybody safeties, corners,
defensive ends. This team is just fast.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Lawrence looks like a beefed up like Kim Chancellor when
he's driving the ball and running.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I was stunned. Me let me just point this out.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
So four teams this season had scored thirty or more
points in the first half.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Seattle's done.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
It is three of them. Three of the four is Seattle.
This team is unstoppable. Now this comes from an Oregon
guy here on staff, your boy Zac. So Sam Darnold
amazing in the first half. He's been the best quarterback
in the first half this season seventy five percent Colin.
According to splits Weirdly, he hasn't been as good in
the second half.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Now, some of it is great gamescript right now.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Some of it is some of it leading by five touchdowns.
It's hard to generate enthusiasm from the big uglies up front.
I mean, yesterday Donald had two of the strangest turnovers
of all time. One of his paths has hit a
tight end helmet. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
So he's taking more sacks in the second half, more interceptions,
his completion percentages down significantly, his quarterback rating drops by
about forty five points. So I'm not, again, not overreacting,
but I do wonder. I don't want to get into
the MVP discussion with Donald. It's a little goofy, but
this is a guy who we know last year imploded
at the end of the season in Minnesota, and that's
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largely why he's not there.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
I know when we get to the high leverage playoff games,
we're not gonna be facing Arizona. They're gonna be facing
Philly Packers, Rams not.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Do you have.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Confidence in Darnold?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yes, absolutely. One person in America. Two people in America
didn't bail on him, Kyle Shanahan and me I'll encower Yes.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Final story, Let's go to college football because this.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Has to be as of now the catch of the year.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Indiana storms back to beat Penn State in a great game,
future Jet quarterback mister Mendoza with an unbelievable final drive.
I think they went eighty seven yards and Mendoza delivers Colin.
We have the call from Gus Johnson. Listen to the
great Gus Johnson on Indiana's way.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Mendoza drove it down.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That was the best second half of a football game
I have seen in college football this year, and the
best last second drive. If you watch Dante more in
the lousy weather in Iowa and Mendoza in that that's
those are your two best college quarterbacks. They were both
so good in big spots. Mendoza throws eight. I mean,
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that's an NFL throw in the NFL, if you're a
quarterback front of the end zone, low, back to the
end zone, high so nobody can get it. That is
literally exactly how you make the throw like Mendoza made
two or three on that final drive. Mendoza made two
to three. I mean first round top pick throws looks the.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Part the kid Cooper.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
If you watch his momentum, it's like carrying him out
of bound. So initially you're like, there's no way he's
getting his feet down, but his feet seem to kind
of go back in time and drift back toward the field.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It was insane, unbelievable win for Indiana.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
It obviously sets up Indiana Ohio State still being undefeated,
essentially for the number one spot in the college football rankings.
So the new rankings come out tomorrow, it seems like
the Big ten's probably only going to get three in
If usc somehow takes down Oregon, then it gets real interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Okay, Ohio State number one, BAMA two, Indiana three. I
don't buy Texas A and M, like everybody else does.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I think largely I would agree with you.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
I am curious the Oregon rally against Iowa, and I
don't know if we'll get to it later.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I watched the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
That was a hell of a fourth quarter. Iowa was plucky.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I don't like to do. And here's the thing. They
covered crappy weather for a West Coast team going to
the Midwest. Now Oregon plays in that kind of weather
two or three times a year in Autson. But I
thought it was an impressive win and Ioways got like,
you know, seven NFL guys. Iowa was well coached, that
throw right there by Dante Moore come on in that
weather and Oregon was down.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I think Oregon was down. I could be wrong.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Four of their top five receivers were down a lot
of guys. I mean, they were down all their perimeter guys.
So that win was way more impressive than it won't
get nearly the credit it deserves. Oh it's just Iowa,
Iowa in that weather at home, Oregon just reeling skill players.
That was a huge win by them.
Speaker 10 (26:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Great, great cover though cover by the Hawkeyes. They deliver
it home. Colin, Yes, I know you love game.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Okay, back to back college. I watched one that I
watched the other, and I'm like, it was a wild Saturday.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
J Mack with the news, Well.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
You know, you know when you're learning to drive, remember
that in like high school and you have the driver's
ed teacher and you're sitting there driving and right next
to you, mine's name was Steve Steve Bridge, he was
the driver's ed teacher had my football coach. He was,
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and so you got to not only be able to
drive when the driver's head teacher sitting next to you,
but when he gets out, you can't veer into a
tree or you really can't drive. That's JJ McCarthy of
Minnesota after the first scripted drive of the game. Folks,
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you can't convince me it works. It doesn't. His first
drive this year, first drives, he completes seventy eight percent
of his.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Throws after that fifty one.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Again, he's great when the driver's head teacher is in
the right seat. Eventually the teacher leaves the car and
you gotta drive. So justin Jefferson's three worst games, the
three JJ McCarthy starts, So, I mean the other thing
that was troubling, eight false starts for a home game.
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False starts. That's the boiling the water part of culinary school.
Have you turned the stove on? You can't have eight
full starts in his season. That was the most in
twenty five years for a home team. So Josh Dobbs,
remember Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
He came to.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Kevin O'Connell you remember that game, no practices, So Josh
Dobbs backup, career, backup, no practices, engineered thirty one points
of offense, one hundred and two, passer rating. JJ McCarthy
off script passer ratings fifty seven. The hardest thing in
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the NFL, in my opinion, beyond just winning, is acknowledging
for gms and coaches. We made a mistake on that
first round pick. The Colts admitted it with Anthony Richardson,
the Niners admitted it with Trey Lance, and there's no rush.
I'd let JJ McCarthy play the entire year. Got nothing
to lose. You're not as good as Chicago, You're not
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as good as Green Bay, You're not as good as Detroit.
It's just not going to work. But I mean, the
operation doesn't work. I do think if you're good in
the first drive, it means you're coachable. And I think
his arm is an NFL arm. But Kevin O'Connell's had
seven quarterbacks in Minnesota, JJ is sixth, and I'm watching
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Justin Jefferson and he's about done with it, So I
I don't know, I'm watching it. I don't want to
be negative.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
He was the one.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I don't want to do confirmation bias because this was
the one first round quarterback I didn't I didn't get it.
What we've seen about all those Michigan guys, Roman Wilson,
Blake Korham, we've noted if you noticed this, Jj, Have
you noticed this? They're not as good as pros. It's
not like the Georgia guys that come in like Jalen
Carter and are immediately a top two player in the
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league at his position.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It's not the Bama guys.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That walk in the wide receivers and you're like, oh yeah,
A lot of those Michigan guys. A lot of it
was hardball, and I'm watching and I know he's a winner.
I get it, but I don't get the traits. I
don't see it. It's not me bee a negative. I
just don't see it. Here's JJ McCarthy after the loss.
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It was there.
Speaker 11 (30:21):
We just kept shooting ourselves in the foot, and you know,
I take full responsibility for the pre snap you know,
procedure penalties. You know, we got three turnovers and just
you know, too many things that you know, don't set
us up for success. You know, when the clock hit zero,
so we just got to go back to work, watch
this film and you know, really clean up all the
little things, because that's what hurt us to say.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Now again, he moves pretty well. I think he has
a nice arm. Be a nice arm. He moves well.
Nice kid, seems smart, hard to get into Michigan. I'd
let him play the rest of the year, you know.
I mean, maybe you know, listen, I like Michael Pennix,
I don't. I don't like the way that looks. So
I mean, stuff can change. There's no quoe. I was
very first two weeks three weeks of Caleb Williams. He
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couldn't get the operational stuff down. So it's I mean,
seems like a good kid working hard.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Again.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
He moves, he moves better than average. Well, he moves average.
He's fine, He's got a nice arm. I mean, he
makes NFL throws. But I I don't know what it is.
I think I've said this with bow Nicks. I feel
like bo Nix is nervous. I don't know exactly what
it is because everybody tells me this is gonna work,
and ah, I just don't see it. So maybe I'm wrong.
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I've been I you know, listen. I thought the Steelers
would win last night, so I whiff as much as anybody.
But you know, if you're a Minnesota fan, I've just
seen guys work at quarterback for this organization without a practice,
So I just feel like we're going on two years
of stuff. It's got to get smoother than this. It
can't be this bumpy. Gotta be able to drive the
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car once the driver's head teacher goes back to class
and you drive home. Right, at some point, it's your car.
You're the driver, there's no nobody else in it.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
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Speaker 6 (32:06):
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Speaker 1 (32:20):
All Right, Adam Schefter just broke the story. Brian Dabole
has been fired New York Giants head coach. I think
it's idiotic. So this is what the New York Jets
did last year. The New York franchise just don't know
what they're doing. So the Jets last year, let's fire
the best coach we have, Robert Sala. How it work embarrassing.
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So the best coach the Giants have is Brian Dable,
who works really well with Jackson Dart. So you're gonna
let him walk out of the building and then you're
gonna have like the third or fourth best coach on
the staff takeovers the interim guy, and if he wins
a couple of games, every fan going to be going, hey,
that's our guy. Never fire the best coach on your staff.
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And if you have to do it at the end
of a season, in the middle of a season, to
fire Robert Sala, the Jets went sideways in fifteen minutes.
I mean it's until yesterday Sala was up for Coordinator
of the Year. They have no players left in San Francisco.
So again, these New York franchises, I don't know if
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it's talk radio that drives it, or the newspapers or
the fans or the media, but I mean, this is
the Jets a year ago. You're firing your best coach.
If you want to fire him at the end of
the year, that's fine. But he has a really good
relationship with the most important person on your team, Jackson Dart,
what are you doing? Just like last year, Robert Sala
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great relationship with Sauce Gardner and Quinn Williams fired him,
circled the drain. So you know I would hire Dable
as a coordinator in fifteen minutes. Does he get another
head coaching job?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Possible?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I mean maybe it's probable, But I've said before with
Robert slip, Robert Sala deserves a second crack. He's a
great defensive coach. He just got to get the offensive guy, right.
I think Dable's an excellent offensive coach. Neighbors isn't healthy.
Scataboo's not healthy, and they let and I can tee,
I guarantee you. Here's why they fired him. Well, it's
the fourth time we've led by ten, you know, late
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in the game. Yeah, but you don't have a running back.
So it's hard when your quarterback who's athletic, gets dinged
up where he could run around and get first downs. Instead,
you go to old man Russell Wilson, who is not
Jackson Dart at this point, and you don't have Scataboo.
So when you have these ten point leads, what you
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want to do is run the ball. That is the key,
especially in November late October November football. Well, Scataboo's gone,
so it is harder when you have a lead to
melk the clock and eat the clock. And you don't
have Scataboo and Jackson Dark gets banged up. So and
coming up here this schedule Green Bay at Detroit at
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New England. Let's see how you do with an interim coach.
Good luck. That's the three toughest games in a row
in the schedule. Good luck. And for the record, if
I would have told you before the season started, let's say,
let's say they beat the Raiders and they beat Washington
and they finish four and thirteen. If I would have
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told you before the season, okay, listen, they finish four
and thirteen or five and twelve. But neighbors in Scataboo
both get hurt, and Jackson Dark plays really well with
Brian Davel, you'd be like, y'all'll sign up for it.
You had no reasonable person looked at this schedule and thought, oh,
it's a nine win team or an eight win team.
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We say I picked them for fourth and division I
think third or fourth. I mean they weren't a playoff team.
So I always say this anytime my wife gets all
work up about the kids. I'm like, well, would you
have signed up for this or this or this?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And the answer is usually yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not
as bad.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
As you think. If I'd have told you Neighbors gets hurt,
Andrew Thomas in and out of the lineup, Scataboo gets hurt.
Dallas is better than everybody thinks. But Jackson Dart emerges
as a franchise quarterback. You just signed up for that.
So these New York football teams are so absurdly reactionary.
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You know, this is the Jets in a different uniform.
Good luck. And again, when you fire coaches mid season,
it's kind of humiliating, right. They are going to be
people that look at that job and like Jackson Dart
and they're like, yeah, I want to sign up for that.
I don't know if I want to sign up for that.
You're going to go and hire a coordinator. I'll tell
you right now. If I was the New York Giants,
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I can sit here and complain. I'd hire Mike McCarthy.
That's who I would go.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Hire.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Mike McCarthy with Aaron Rodgers with Cooper Rush, with Dak Prescott.
Mike McCarthy's quarterbacks win and perform very well. I would
hire Mike McCarthy. The only advantage to firing Brian Dable
is that you can get on the phone this afternoon.
I don't know what are the rules in the NFL
on coaches stuff. There's probably some arcane rule you can't
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call before this and that. I would just send messages
through agents in the right channels. Mike McCarthy's who we want.
That's my solution. Don't get caught up because watch what happens.
Some interim guy goes out and wins three games, and
every Giant fans like that. Yeah, players respond to that guy.
That's my substitute teacher rule. Everybody loves the substitute teacher. Okay,
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So thirteen seasons the Giants have one playoff win. Brian
Dabele and Daniel Jones. Okay, so you can complain all
you want. He got Daniel Jones of the playoffs and
Jackson Dart. He was the guy in the building that
loved Jackson Dart right like. There were a lot of naysayers,
myself included.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
We didn't like Jack.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I was like, Jackson Dart's the second round guy. I
said that. I said, I've seen him with Lane Kevin
for a couple of years. He's got talent, He's a
draftable quarterback. He's a second round guy. Right now. He
looks better than cam Ward. And the one guy that
kept pounding on his chest was Brian Babel.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
He was the one guy that's my guy.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
All Right, the Giants interim head coach will be there,
sixth since twenty sixteen. Ben mcannew spags Pat Shermer, Joe Judge,
Brian Babel.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
All right, you know this whole charade.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Now, I know you hate the Giants, so you probably
think this is the greatest day of all time.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
No, shockingly, I kind of agree with you because of
Jackson Dart's been so good here the media, it's like
the talking points came from high above. The owner is
like basically texting every media member, well, he started two
and eight each of the last three years, Like they
had one of the lowest wind totals in the league.
This year two years ago was the Daniel Jones injury.
I believe coming off the playoff here, they're killing Dabo
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for blowing these leads Colin with a rookie quarterback and
no skill position players. He's throwing a Darius Slayton and
Theo Johnson they're building leads. The fact that he can't
hold him obviously not great. But you got a rookie quarterback.
I'm stunned because Colin, I'll be honest, what if the
next coach evaluates Dart and says, yeah, he looks okay,
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not from my system, then you've got to restart over
at quarterback.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
It's not a given that Jackson.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Dart is their franchise quarterback, but with Dables thinking about.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
This, so yesterday against the Bears on the road, Scataboo's out,
neighbors is out, Jackson Dart concussion out, And because you
couldn't win Cam Up Williams and that skill group against
Russell Wilson, and because you couldn't win on the road
in the snow, and people are talking about, well, I
remember that there's a situational play that all the Giant
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fans were complaining about.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
Within one do you go fourth and one up seven
or do you kick the field to go to go
do up two scores?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I could barely get it out. I hadn't sure.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
Maybe you go for the touchdown there, but whatever, I mean,
you're not firing the coach off that. Hey, Colin, where's
Dable coaching next year? Is he a head coach or
an OC?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
He'll interview for the Dolphins job. Probably. He's rougher than
Mike McDaniel. He's kind of groff. He's the opposite of
the McDaniel. Colin right, Colin wrong on the Monday next
it's the hurt
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