THE HERD - Hour 3 - Fox Sports NFL analyst Greg Olsen stops by The Herd

Fox Sports NFL analyst Greg Olsen joins the show to discuss the Chicago Bears’ thrilling comeback win over the New York Giants, calling it the most impressive game of Caleb Williams’ young NFL career

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Speaker 1 (00:38):
Thanks to those who serve. Fox Sports salutes the men
and women of great honor diligence. Thank you for all
you do. Greg Olsen, boy, he's getting good assignments. Seahawks
Rams this week. Maybe the game of the year Bears
Giants last week. So we got a lot to address.

(01:03):
Let's start. I want to do Bears Giants. I want
to get that out of the way. So you have
been an advocate for stop kicking field goals. This is
not the future and it's interesting in the Bears Giants game,
they had an opportunity to go for it. The new
York Giants did, and Brian Dabol elects now we're going
to go for three. And we've been talking about this,

(01:25):
the blue Tent stuff with Jackson Dart. That decision just
gut feeling when they got rid of him, because by
the way, they've had ten point leads on several teams.
But now without Scataboo, they can't kill the clock. They're
not really built now to get a lead and then
just bawl control it. They're not unless Jackson Dart runs,
and that's problematic because you get dinged up. Why do

(01:45):
you think in the end they moved off Dable, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Because I think Dabel is a really good football coach.
I think Dabel is a really good quarterback developer. I mean,
you look what he did with Josh Allen, You look
what he did with you know, with what he's doing
with Jackson Dart. He obviously was the one who really
wanted Dirt in the first place. I think it really
just came down to the expert, you know, the powers

(02:11):
to be just determined. There's obviously a breakdown and our
inability to finish these games. I mean, to lose the
four games that they did with double digit leads, of course,
Denver being the biggest kind of head scratcher. I don't
think this had anything to do with they don't think
Dabel is a good offensive play caller, that he's not
a good quarterback developer, that he's not getting the best
out of Jackson Dart and you know, a supporting cast

(02:33):
that with scottaboo out and elite neighbors, you know, with
the group around him is not particularly dynamic and explosive.
They're still in the ability to get leads in the game.
I think they're looking at it as our decision making,
our game management, Our processes towards the end are just
obviously not where they need to be, and I think
if they were, they'd have maybe four more wins if

(02:55):
they're being greedy, but at least two or three. And
so I think it's more about overall management of games,
decision making, more of that than it is the pure
x's and o's the development of the quarterback. So I
think that was probably the final straw. And of course
the field goal was a big storyline. We covered it

(03:17):
at length. That's a larger story going on all across
the league. It kind of played itself out as in
a moment there in the fourth quarter of the Giants game,
kicking from goal to go. I would never kick a
field goal goal to go unless it was to literally
win the game. But that's a longer conversation with the
new kickoff rules and field position and strategy. But it's
hard to say it came down to one decision. I

(03:40):
think that was a factor in it. I really just
think it was the totality of the entire situation over
the last couple of years, they felt that there was
more wins that ended up being the case.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
How do you explain Caleb Williams JJ McCarthy's good on script,
bad off it? Caleb actually has been great late over
the last several weeks. How do you explain that? What
did your eyes see? Why the struggles and then all
of a sudden in the fourth quarter he does a
bo Nicks, he does a Peyton Manning. He's like, Okay,
I'm just going to control the game. Every snap.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
He was incredible. That is the bet.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Now, granted I haven't watched every snap of every moment
since he's come into the league.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Call it the last year and a half.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
That was by far the best Caleb Williams performance in
his young career.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
And you know, you can look at last year and.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
You know there was a lot of chaos going on
and your coach is getting fired and offensive coordinator changes.
But if we just say, okay, this year is his
first year of stability, first year with Ben Johnson, this
is the Caleb we're going to evaluate.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
It's not even close. I mean his ability they.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Were historically bad last year, Colin taking sacks, and part
of that is his willingness to playoff script and his
ability to extend plays and he brings a lot of
the pressure on himself. But this year, I mean the
Giants had him dead to rights ten times. They could
not get him on the ground. And then the piece
that came together for him, especially in the fourth quarters,

(05:04):
not only could they not get him on the ground,
his ability to drive the ball accurately in scramble drilled downfield.
I mean if his receivers they had six drops by
far the most of the year for them. I think
they only had seven coming into the game. Drops were
an issue. It was cold, it was windy, but it
had no impact on his ability to drive the ball

(05:24):
beyond time. Now, do you want to play off script football?
Is that sustainable over long periods of time. No, we
have seen that time and time again. There has to
be an element of there has to be an element
of rhythm, there has to be an element of timing.
And I think that's still the balance that Ben Johnson's
trying to bring out of Caleb. I think they'll when

(05:44):
things break down in today's NFL, which is going to
be often past. Protection is very difficult. The rushers are
very good. Scheme is good. You have to have a
quarterback that can make second, second level plays, meaning it's
not the initial read, it's not the initial timing. I
got a playoff script. He can do that as well
as anyone. As they continue to get him into more
of the on time rhythm component of Ben Johnson's drop

(06:07):
that game. If that continues to develop, That's what Chicago
thought they were drafting last year.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
So I felt like watching Green Bay in Philadelphia, I
was watching kind of the same thing. Is that both
these quarterbacks when they had elite rushing games last year,
were really excellent, but they're not Mahomes or Lamar or Allen.
Is that if you take the running game away from both,
they're good, but you see the holes so I could

(06:35):
blame Laflor, I could blame the injuries, but Green Bay
to me, their inability to run the ball puts more pressure,
more throws on Jordan and I think he's a really
good quarterback. But in my life, Greg, there's been about
five quarterbacks that Joe Burrow can get to the super
Bowl with an atrocious old line that can win games

(06:58):
like Justin Herbert, without a run game or as tackles.
That's very unique. There's five or six guys on the planet,
and I think Hurts and Love are good, but the
run games for both have disappeared, and that means more
on them. That's my view, and that that's maybe not
what they are. I mean, I can't explain Green Bay's
offense outside of that. What do you see?

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yeah, I had the Green Bay game, so I saw
him two weeks ago in the home loss in Lambeau
to the Panthers, which yep, you know, they only scored
thirteen points. So they've scored twenty points in the last
two games. With going into the Panther game watching Jordan
Love this year, just the eye test and then diving
into some of the more metric driven analysis of just
evaluating quarterbacks, you know, looking past pass protection, looking past

(07:44):
opened routs, by scheme, like, there's a lot of ways
to really like determine how much of this is quarterback
driven and how much of this is scheme and environment
driven by all metrics, film and advanced study. Going into
that Panthers game, I thought, I thought Jordan Love was
a top five quarterback in the league this season through
at the time it was seven or eight games, I
thought he was playing as well as anybody.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Across the league.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
And then what we've seen in the last two weeks
is you mentioned the run game, and I think there's
two There's two components to that conversation, right, there was
a lot to be discussed about run game value and importance.
Run game matters, right, It does matter if you are
Jonathan Taylor and Saquon Barkley last year where they're ripping

(08:27):
off these large, chunk, explosive plays and they're running for
fifty yard touchdowns and forty yard touchdowns. You think back
to Saquon and the playoffs last year through their Super
Bowl with victory, like, yes, the run game was so
valuable because those forty fifty yard touchdowns he's running for
are better than any pass play, but that is so
hard to rely on. Very few teams have a back

(08:49):
in a system that can generate those plays.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
So all of a sudden you.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Start saying, Okay, what is the value of the run game.
We saw both teams last night really commit to staying
true to the run because the score allowed them. But
then you look up at the scoreboard and it's three
to nothing at the end of the first half. So
at the end of the day, in the regular season,
scoring points is directly tied to passing game and explosive

(09:14):
run game. If you don't do those two things, you
are not going to score. You might have good time
of possession, you might run for a lot of total
gross yards, you are not going to score points in
the regular season, which is an offensive driven time of year. Now,
postseason run games more valuable. Defense is more valuable because
we've gotten rid of all the bad teams. All the

(09:35):
bad teams are home sitting on the couch. It's now
just good versus good. It's not just what offenses can
throw and score a lot of points. There's more value
to it. So I think they've got to get back
to putting the ball in Jordan Love's hand on first
and second down, not being in second and eight, because
every first down is a run. Continue to push the
ball downfield, continue to give his guys chances like that

(09:55):
run game will get better the more aggressive they are
with their early down passing game. I think everyone always
wants to look at it the other way, like We're
gonna run them into run defenses.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
And then I'm gonna throw the ball over.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Their head, when in reality, the more I fear your
passing game, the more favorable situations both personnel. You're gonna
play a lot of nickel against me, a lot of
little bodies on the field, I'll run at that and
light boxes all of a sudden, Now my passing game
leads to my run game getting better, and it's typically
not the other way around.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Most of the time.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Seahawks rams that is, that's an assignment that is gonna
be wild. Seattle has been a bit more reckless than
the Rams. Rams are young on defense, not on offense.
The Seahawks are young everywhere. Go to your youngest team,
Green Bay's young and they're inconsistent. Do you worry about

(10:52):
in the end with Seattle? Is you know you got
Stafford and you got heven steinright tackle, and you got Davonte.
There's a lot of beards. There's a lot of old
guys in this league. Seattle is kids in JSN, and
Darnold's still relatively young, and their best offensive lineman's a
rookie and their corners are young. How do you view

(11:13):
the game in Seattle's youth? Because I think Seattle is
stunning a lot of people. We all knew the Rams
would be fine. I don't think most people thought the
Seahawks could arguably the best be the best team in
the league.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Yeah, first off, we're beyond excited. We've been thinking about
this game since they gave us the matchup a week
or two ago. I think it's the best matchup of
the year. Now, how does the game play out and
how does it live up? Nobody knows, but I would
make the argument these are two of the top three
teams at worst. I could probably make a really strong
argument it's one in two in any particular order. I

(11:47):
think they're so good on both sides of the ball.
I think your point about Seattle's youth is real, But
on some of the best teams that I've been on,
there is kind of like a ignorance's glist to youth
where they're young, they're energetic, they're athletic, they're living, and
they're loving every moment of this. We're like, they almost
don't even realize how hard what they're doing is. They

(12:09):
don't realize how hard it is to win at this level.
Like all they know is success, All they know is
winning because they haven't been in the league long enough
to have those scars. There's a power to that, right,
there's a beauty to that where we don't have to
undo any of these bad habits, we don't need to
undo any of these bad moments because you played on
another bad team, you know, five years ago. So I

(12:30):
think they are young. I think they're extremely talented. They've
got a lot of star young players at multiple positions
on both sides of the field. And I give McDonald McDonald,
I give them a lot of credit. After one year
of being a head coach, he took a look at
his offense last year and said, you know what, this
is not where we want to be and Gino it

(12:51):
did not play bad by any stretch of the imagination,
and as an organization with which Schneider and then they said,
you know what we need to change of pace offensively.
They go out and they get Kubiak from New Orleans,
who took the league by storm as a play caller
early the year, kind of fizzled when he lost Derek Carr.
They saw through that. They said, his vision of offense
is what we want to be here. We want to

(13:12):
be under center, we want to be play action, we
want to be explosive passing game. They get in a
lot of those big bodies. They put you in base
defense to throw the ball against you. It's a really
popular strategy that's becoming more, you know, kind of popular
throughout the league.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
I love.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
And then defensively, you know, with a defensive head coach,
they're always going to put their identity there. They're going
to play fast. Witherspoon's a stud, like at DeMarcus Lawrence.
What a great signing that we've seen him kill people
for years in Dallas. Like, it is a really fun
team to watch. They're good on both sides of the
ball and everything I just said, if you just swapped
out the Rams, maybe outside of some of the youth,

(13:50):
it's the exact same story. So yeah, it's it's in
my mind, it's the best matchup of the year with
two of the best three or four teams if we're
being conservative, in the entire league.

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when you were in Chicago or Carolina, I don't have
the exact years, but Stafford was in the league. He
was losing a lot of games in Detroit. So when
you you had cam and again, Detroit wasn't talked about.
But as a tight end and as a guy who
really studies and thinks the game, did you know Stafford

(14:58):
was this good like he was losing? But were you down?
I don't know if you were Chicago, Carolina, cood been
both and you had Aaron Rodgers dominating the division, and
you had Brady and you had Manning and all these guys.
And there was that guy up in Detroit and he
was young and he was out of Georgia. Did you
ever think he'd be this?

Speaker 4 (15:18):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
You know what's so funny about the quarterback position, And
we still do it today. We do it all the
time on both ends of the spectrum. We assume quarterbacks
on bad teams are bad, and we assume that good
that quarterbacks on good teams are good. So we probably
give quarterbacks too much of the credit at times, and
we probably give them too much of the blame at

(15:40):
times when oftentimes, outside of the few extremes, it's probably
a combination of team environment, coaching, and player all thrown
into the pot.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
And mixed up.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
So, I mean, you look back at some of the
years he had with Calvin Johnson, and yes, they lost
a lot of games, and it was not you know,
it was not the Detroit Lions organization that we know
now under and.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Campbell it was.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
He was always so talented, the armed what we'd see,
he put up big numbers. Now, granted a lot of
that was in playing from behind and chasing points, but
I think anybody who watched football probably could could do
a good job separating the outcome wins and losses and
watch Stafford play and say, I know chaos is ensuing

(16:22):
around him.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
I know this is dysfunction.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
I know there's coaching turnover and losses are out of
high like, but this dude can flat out play and
then obviously we know what's happened. He gets put with
arguably the best coach in the league. You know, mcveigh's
probably top. You know, he's one or two. I don't
know who you'd pick over him, and he gets put
into that environment. They have immediate success, of course, win

(16:44):
in the super Bowl, but then they experienced some lows.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
He went back.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
Now, where can the Rams figured out? What's his future?

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Is he going to go? Is they going to trade
him to somewhere else?

Speaker 5 (16:53):
Is they going to retire like they went through some
down years following that Super Bowl, where I'm sure a
lot of that experience from Stafford paid dividends. You know,
he had been in that chaos before, and now obviously
they're riding it up. They've drafted incredibly well. They've got
really talented on the on the defensive side of the
ball through the draft. And Stafford at you know, thirty

(17:14):
eight years old or whatever he is.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
I mean, he's.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Probably the MVP of the league. It's him and Drake
May if the season ended today. And pretty remarkable journey
for a guy whose talent leadership. Everybody do you know
that has played with Stafford, whether they won one game
or they won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Every teammate and coach loves him.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, they do. And he's a pro. He puts in
the time in the film room. I've seen specials on him.
He's a you know, he's a total pros pro. He's
a grinder. Greg Olsen, boy, I don't get jealous much.
Seahawks rams that that is a unbelievable matchup of just
two stacked rosters and go crush it.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Thanks man, appreciate you, good seeing you.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Right, Greg Golfen Jmak with the news.

Speaker 6 (18:04):
Turns this is the Herd line news. How about them?

Speaker 7 (18:09):
Baltimore Ravens made an appearance in the Herd Hierarchy this
week bit of a surprise too many. There are only
four and five, but when you start peeling off wins
as they have with Lamar three straight and they're just
one back of Pittsburgh and the AC North. Here's Lamar
talking about the team keeping that positive energy.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Do you feel this team has a herd aquaria? Yeah, well,
I know it's still a lot of them. All. I know,
you've got to stay a lot down. Cat taking place
and nothing like that. You know, we gotta stay down all.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, you know, listen, they are still and maybe not
as much this week as the last two, but there
is there is something to be said, like in Miami
right now, Why are the Dolphins playing so well? Like
Mike McDaniel and his staff, No, we're fighting for our
jobs every Sunday. Well literally, our game play is being
judged by the guy upstairs. There was something about Baltimore

(19:03):
has to win all these games now, but the Steelers
losing to the Chargers that gives them now they're back
in it their favor to win that division. But the
last couple of weeks they had to win games, and
that Minnesota game was in doubt for three quarters. So
I think winning in Minnesota is tougher than you think.
And listen, when they're healthy, this is a great roster.

(19:23):
There's not a lot of great rosters in the league
when they're all healthy. This is one of them.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
Yeah, if you remember that Minnesota game, I think they.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
Fumbled two straight kickoffs.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
One they lost when they were covered with Minnesota imploded. Yes,
the Ravens offense did not look great in the first half.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
Here's the Ravens schedule.

Speaker 7 (19:40):
We looked like geniuses telling you weeks ago better on
them to win the division. As you said, now, I
think they're almost minus three hundred. Listen, this Browns game
will not be easy. Cleveland's defense at home shows up.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
But I mean, look at this. Look at the quarterbacks.
You're facing Dylan Gabriel justin fields. Now, that Week thirteen
game is interesting because Jay Glazer talked to Joe Burrow
and Burrows saying, hey, a couple of weeks hopefully, so
if he burrows back, that changes the calculus you wanted
to get if you're a Ravens fan. Won Jake Browning
h slash Joe Flacco game because that's a win.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
But yeah, we'll see. I think the Ravens are good
in the division.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
I did watch that offense, Colin, and I was a
little upset that they they didn't they made They really
struggled against Minnesota.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
Yeah, in the first half.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
And Derrick Henry remember that opener he had like a
buck seventy against Buffalo.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
Has he had it any like dominant games since then?

Speaker 4 (20:34):
No?

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean, I listen, it's who's their number one receivers?
A Flowers, A Flowers. Yeah, I mean they I don't
think they got a lot of good players. I don't
think it's one of the more dynamic offenses. I also
think Lamar, as he's aged, wants to run less and
wants to throw more. And you know that's a little
bit of a secret sauce when he does run. So yeah,

(20:58):
I mean, I I like organizationally as much as anybody
on the top to bottom, owner to Lamar to roster.
It's it's a across the board for me.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
All right, let's move on. Let's go to the Joe
Burrow situation. Very interesting, Colin. He returned to practice on Monday,
very surprising that the twenty one day window for.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
Him to return from IR is open.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
Burrow spoke to the media about it and his potential
target date.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
The running, cutting, twitchy shortstops that we're gonna have to.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
See over these next couple of weeks how it feels
and where that goes. Our division is wide open. There's
a lot of I think at Pittsburgh's five and four
at this point.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
We played them this week, so you know, everything is
still there in front of us.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
They'll they'll, they'll be a very interesting spoiler.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
Can they speak in a wild card nown.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
No, but they can ruin Pittsburgh season. You know, if
they can knock out Pittsburgh.

Speaker 7 (22:03):
Wow, where are you on that Bengals Bengals Steelers game
this week? Because you know, I almost want to make
a case for the Bengals coming off the buy rested,
but I just I don't trust that defense at all.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
It's arguably the worst in the league.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, I very interesting. I don't know. I think I
think if Burrow comes back and see week of twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fait.
I mean they got tough games to Baltimore, Buffalo, New England.
So he's not gonna play. I guess he's not gonna
play against Pittsburgh.

Speaker 7 (22:38):
Okay, so he's not gonna play against the Patriots. Which
is a big wins. Yeah, I don't think they get in.
I think their schedule is too tough. I think if
he was coming back this weekend, I'd give him a shot.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
But yeah, I don't.

Speaker 7 (22:52):
You don't want to force him back. Man, come on,
this guy's had enough injuries. Play for next year. I
think they got a lot of tinkering to do with
that roster. I don't know if I trust the front
offense with the head coach.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Oh, I don't.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
My final story, Colin, Oh boy, this is a big one.
You love ratings. Well, how about the NBA. We're two
or three weeks into the season.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
The league is.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
Reporting a ninety two percent increase in viewership year over
year for nationally televised games. The league adds that national
games are averaging the most viewers in fifteen years.

Speaker 6 (23:26):
I'm kind of floored by this now.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Some of it is, you know, you turn you want
to turn on an NBA game, and you're like, wait,
where is it? TNT, ESPN, Amazon Prime. There are so
many places to find these games, Peacock, I don't know
your thoughts. Are you watching more NBA?

Speaker 5 (23:40):
You know?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I My NBA viewership really starts Christmas, Christmas, Okay, I'll
like I watch a ton of highlights like it when
I'm in the morning. When I get up, I do
about three about forty five minutes of reading and then
I all go to YouTube's and watch highlights. That's a
lot of what I do. Early in season. I'll watch,
you know, if if there's something on TV in a

(24:03):
late afternoon now that I'm in the Central time zone.
But I also think early in the NBA season, nobody
plays defense. Look at the field goal percentages by some
of these players. Nobody was just so good well that
nobody plays They played defense after the trade deadline, you know,
then the game gets officiated differently late season playoffs. But

(24:25):
right now it's a well ymca ball, a lot of
open jumper.

Speaker 7 (24:29):
It's interesting because OKC is the best team in the
league by record. I don't find them visually appealing. Obviously
they're very good. But I got a buddy who's like
every day sending me this stuff about Shake Gildes. Alexander
just went eighty two games and scored over twenty points
in each of them. You know, and people are really
excited about OKAC. Are they appointment viewing for you?

Speaker 6 (24:50):
Yet No.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I mean I again, I think you know, I watched
them a ton last year. I think Wemby probably helps
when it's in. I don't have an answer why the
ratings are up ninety two percent. Is it because they're
on more network television instead of just cable? And my
guess is I'm guessing here that now they're on NBC network,

(25:13):
not just ESPN cable, and that's the ratings growth. It's
not that the country is suddenly fascinated with Oka. See
that would be my guess.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
No, Yeah, it could be.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
Listen, there's a lot of other stuff going on in
this country and people are looking for an escape from that,
and you know, they're like, hey, where's basketball? I need
to see anything except you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
Ninety two percent is a significant number.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
I think that. I think that's got to be NBC's editions. Yeah,
I mean, you got more network TV games and less
cable that ninety two percent. Think about this, if baseball
rose ninety two percent, Baseball put in a pitch claw
and they went up nine to ten percent, and that's
growth in a year. Ninety two percent is not just players.

(25:59):
If any goes up ninety two percent. It's a platform issue.
It's a win of the broadcasts on the air. It's
not player related. It's like an out an outlier is WNBA. Yeah,
Caitlin Clark was generationally fascinating Tiger Woods with golf up
ninety two. Wendy No, I don't think he's Tiger Caitlin.

(26:21):
I don't think that's the draw. I don't.

Speaker 7 (26:24):
Hey, do you see Wenby last night against uh threes
Chicago Bull thirty eight points eighteen boards, six of nine.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
From deep Would you do? Yahould you do some digging
on this? I bet it's NBC airing more games. I'm
on the case, all right, Detective Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 4 (27:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I didn't have the Bills in my top ten herd
hierarchy because I just don't know what they are outside
of having a really really good quarterback. You know, we
tend to think that you just fire bad coaches. I
think Brian Dable is a good coach I can remember.
I've always said Sean McDermott in Buffalo reminds me of

(27:42):
Chuck Knox. Now Ram fans will remember him. Seahawk fans
will remember him. He couldn't win in the postseason, but
he always stabilized the organization. He was a winning coach, toughness,
run game, Chuck Knox. I think Marty Schottenheimer, the late
Marty Schottenheimer criticized, like Chuck Knox, not great in the postseason,

(28:05):
but would stabilize, add toughness to your organization. So Chuck
Knox and Marty Schottenneimer excellent coaches, but weren't as good
in the postseason. They were a little restrictive, little regressive,
not very creative guys that Sean McDermott and so Nick
Wright talked about this earlier. With Brian Dabele being fired

(28:25):
Dabel is more creative. Is it just time like a
Schottenheimer or a Chuck Knox that you can like him
and respect him? And McDermott would get a head coaching
job in a New York minute, But maybe in Buffalo
it's time to experiment with a new coach.

Speaker 8 (28:42):
Brian Dabel maybe got a little unlucky on certain spots
his record. He deserved to be fired. But can I
paint a scenario for you? Because who loves Brian Dabele,
Josh Allen? Who's some people feel like, you know, missus
Brian Dabele, Josh Allen, they have.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
To move off McDermott.

Speaker 8 (29:02):
Is it crazy the idea that Josh Allen might say, hey,
let Brian Dable be my head coach here.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, it's not crazy at all. And you know it's
just their Andy Reid got fired and was good. It
wasn't like things had gone overboard. So I think sometimes
a new voice. Ian O'Connor is a great writer. He
suggested the Giants should hire Mike Tomlin, who's never had
a losing second season in Pittsburgh. But the defense is old,

(29:32):
it's expensive, they don't have a quarterback, and I would argue, Well,
New York's got their quarterback and they've got their left tackle,
and what they need is a head coach that brings,
you know, some legitimacy, not another coordinator. So Mike Kafka
played in the league for six years, smart guy from Northwestern.
Does he have the presence to go up against the

(29:55):
top coaches in the league. I said this earlier to
j Mac, and I'll stand by this point. If you're
Mike Tomlin and you have Aaron Rodgers and you want
to win super Bowls, you're Mike Tomlin. That's your standard.
You have to get through Mahomes, who's got a great coach,
Josh Allen, Herbert Lamar, Joe Burrow, pretty good group in

(30:22):
the NFC. Mike Tomlin goes to the Giants. I have
to go through Jared Goff, Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, Stafford's
not going to be around much longer, Baker Mayfield. I mean,
you start looking around to win super Bowls, you have
to get to them. It's much harder to get to
a super Bowl in the AFC. That doesn't mean the

(30:43):
best team. I mean the two best teams in the
league today could be the Rams, and the Seahawks. But
Stafford's not playing much longer. He's thirty seven, I think.
And then you know, I would rather face Darnold as
much as I love him, than Alan Mahomes or Lamar.
So you know, I see Mike Tomlin sitting down with
his agents and be like, well, I don't have a

(31:05):
quarterback for the future. The defense is old and expensive.
You know you can't. I guess trade TJ. Watt. He's
so beloved. Everybody in Pittsburgh's got his jersey. That's why
people move. I mean, I've moved three or four times
in my career. That's the kind of stuff you think about,
like what's my future? Who's my go to? I mean,
is this place ascending? Is this place dying? You're asking yourself.
Anytime anybody that listens to this show you ever moved,

(31:28):
You get out the yellow pad and you start writing
things down. It is easier to get the Super Bowls
in the NFC. I think there are more good teams
in the NFC. There's far more elite, all time great
quarterbacks in the AFC, and they're all in their prime.
Josh Allen Prime, Mahomes Prime, Herbert Prime, Lamar Prime, they're

(31:50):
all in their prime. Stafford's not goff. You don't fear
always very good. I can see it. I mean again,
a lot of the quarterbacks in the NFC, like Caleb Williams,
You're like, boy, he could be something. He's not there yet.
So I could see that Ian O'Connor column today. I
could see Mike Tomlin at the end of the season
they go nine and eight. You know, it's the Steelers.

(32:12):
Their gps always get them to five hundred or above.
But I could, you know, I could see nine and
eight probably where they finish. You look at their schedule,
don't have to face Burrow, I guess. So you know
it's certainly don't you think Jay mamckott certainly.

Speaker 7 (32:26):
Worth It's not bad. Again, I mentioned this yesterday, Colin.
So are we sure the Giants job is better than
the Tennessee Titans job cam Ward versus Jackson Dart and
unequivocally the worst division in football probably the last five
years running. I just don't know that it's a slam
dunk that the Giants is a great job. The Eagles

(32:48):
are the best run team in the NFC. Jalen Hurts,
as you said, in his prime I don't know. You
seem to think Dallas is kind of sort of close
to something. And Jaden Daniels, I know he's hurt now
he's a stud. I don't know that the Giants job
is great. Yes, I'm a Jets fan, I'm a Giants hater.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
I just don't know. There's too many question marks.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well, a job is as great as your quarterback and coach.
I mean, your job is as great as your quarterback.
The Chargers was a good job. That's why Harbaugh took it.

Speaker 7 (33:16):
Okay, in the division, Jalen Hurts, Jayden Daniels, Jackson, Dark,
Dak Prescott.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
Who's the fourth best quarterback in that division?

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I'd have to say who, Well, I think Dak's probably
the best, and then I'll just stop right there.