November 12, 2025 • 44 mins
John answers all of your questions from who should be the MVP of the NFL and if Drake Maye should be considered, to ALL the issues in Green Bay and much more in this episode's massive mailbag segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
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of now, who should be the front runner for NFL MVP.
I'm a Patriots fan, so I think Drake May has
an argument for it. But I have a hard time
looking on how dominant Jonathan Taylor has been for the
number one seed.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
In the AFC.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
To me, I think there's a group of guys, you know,
I think obviously the quarterbacks Drake May would squarely be
in it. Stafford Donald. I mean, look at the impact
Donald's had on Seattle and their passing game. It's been dramatic.
Stafford has He's been elite. I mean he has. He
looks fantastic. Obviously, Addam Devonte Adams has been huge. But
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I'm with you. I mean, if if we removed the
word MVP and we said the NFL Heisman Trophy, Jonathan
Taylor would win, right. But I think this MVP award
has it's just become so quarterback centric to me, Drake May,
his ceiling is the MVP Award. I'm just not even
talking this season. I'm just saying where you should feel great.
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If you're a Patriot fans, know that you had twenty
years of Brady and a couple years later you now
have this and even the guy you drafted, Mac Jones,
a single handily saving the forty nine ers. Like you
guys are on the right quarterbacks, I would say Mike
Vrabel would be the Patriots MVP more than Drake And
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I'm not trying to diminish anything with Drake May, but
I would have him behind Darnold and Stafford. And I'm
with you, I would have no problem. Rodge and company
will probably never give me a vote, but if they did,
I would go with Jonathan Taylor. You're the GM of
an NFL team. You have to pick a running back,
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and here are your two options. One the guy will
get exactly one hundred yards every single game, no more,
no less. Two, this will get you exactly two yards
every single time he runs the ball, No more, no less.
You can run each running back as many times as
you want. Who are you choosing? Want to take the
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guy getting one hundred yards two yards doesn't If you
average two yards of carry, you're gonna get cut. I
can't run you four times. You don't even get me
a first down, So I don't even think that's Is
that a trick question? Am I dumb? Which I wouldn't
consider myself smart? So I feel like I'm being duped here,
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But I would go with the one hundred yard guy. Right.
If I'm getting one hundred yards a game from my
running back, it's seventeen hundred yards a game, and hopefully
my quarterback's pretty solid. But I'd feel pretty good about
my chances there. I feel like you're doing something to me, though,
I feel like there's a math equation. I don't know
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as two yards is not enough. If you said three
and a half, I might think differently. Thank you for
the Folds of Honor interview. My husband is a former Marine.
He flew from California out to DC this weekend to
tear it up with his buddies. Of the two hundred
and fiftieth USMC Birthday events, they all go out the
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Marines about twenty years ago, but their bonds remain strong.
With so many fewer people being connected to the military
these days. I always appreciate it when people highlight Yeah,
it's obviously you know both my grandparents. I didn't mention
it to the I mean the president of Folds of
Honor who came on the podcast yesterday flew f sixteenth
for thirty years. Where I come from, people like that
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are considered certified badasses. But both my grandparents were in
World War Two. My mom's dad flew was shot down
in Asia and World War Two, my dad's brother died
in Vietnam, so my dad was immediately pulled out. He
wasn't actually in Vietnam. I think he was in Germany
at the time. But yeah, the military, I mean my
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dad was We're pretty old school home, so we had
some like Tom Coughlin like rules. Being early is late.
So yeah, I appreciate all you guys and you know,
folds of honor. When they said they were coming on
the podcast as a sponsor a long time ago before
we had him, one felt right. So the military means
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a lot to me and it will my entire life,
and I plan on teaching my son the same as well.
Wanted to hear your thoughts on Kaylin Dubor. I feel
that even after his recent hot streak, he's criminally underrated.
The national narrative does not come close to what the
guys actually accomplished. I have some stats here I think
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that will genuinely, genuinely shock you. He's eight and one
against top ten opponents, best winning percentage in the stat
in the history of college football among any coach, pastor president.
He's nineteen and three against top twenty five teams, also
the best winning percentage all time. He took a team
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with zero five star players to the national championship, with
Washington only coach to ever accomplish this in the modern
recruiting era. Combined eight tozer record against Lanning Kirby, Sark
and Kelly and finally a one hundred and twenty and
seventeen all time coaching records. You can preaches the choir here, brother,
like I'm on board with Kaitlin de Boor like he's
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he's good, he's kicking ass and taking it. You put
him in grub together and you give them a functional quarterback.
It's fucking on like Donkey Kong. So you do not
need to you don't sell me on this one. I
am on board.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I got nervous when he lost to Florida State, but
I mean he went nine to four Jalen Milroe, Like,
I just think Jalen Milroe is the complete opposite type
of quarterback that he would want. But when he's had
guys that are more traditional pocket pass Pennix in Pennix
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at Washington, he had Jake Haynert at Fresno State, and
obviously now with Ty Simpson, I don't even know who
the hell he had in the Dakotas. But he's beaten
the you know what at everybody in his way and
to go to the SEC and do that, right, He's
beat Kirby back to back years. Brian Kelly at this point,
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it's not that big of a but Kirby back to
back years pretty incredible accomplishment. Question for the bag. I've
been seeing a lot about the new Colts owner, Carly
Ers Gordon standing on the sidelines with a headset during
the game and learning the logistics of football in order
to effectively operate the franchise. Obviously, there are owners like
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Jerry Jones who meddle to the point of hurting their team.
But do you think more owners who are quote unquote
hands off will be inspired by Carly to become better
acquainted with the logistics of the game even if the
Colts continue to have success moving forward. In your opinion,
how involved should a good owner be the reason the
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Colts are good? And I'm not people think I'm gonna
hate on her about this, Like I do think it's
funny that she'll be a practice with a Gucci pullover.
I just laugh at the visual, even though, like I'm
not offended by her wearing Gucci to practice, But it's
like she's rich. I mean, she's a billionaire and she's
not quote unquote a new owner. She's played a big
role as her sister is, like you know, with her dad,
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like she was born in this family. So the reason
the Colts are winning this year and not in previous
years is they have a good quarterback. So like, it's
not she's not doing anything different. I'm not I feel
like I'm hating honor. I have no I don't give
a shit. I'm not a Colts fan. But they're getting
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solid quarterback play and now they look headed toward twelve
to fourteen wins. It has nothing to do with her
right now. Maybe she's made some tweaks and mark and
other things that I don't know about, but she's not
calling the plays, she's not running practice. Maybe they would
say she's given them some ideas that they've instituted. I
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don't know, but I think it has zero impact. Right
The reason the Cowboys have not won in the playoffs
is Dak Prescott has thrown the ball to the other team.
He threw interceptions against the Niners, against the Packers in
playoff games. It wasn't because Jerry Jones was meddling. So like,
at the end of the day, if you have good
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players and good coaches and a good quarterback, you're gonna
be pretty good. Whether the owners a pain in the ass,
or not. Like, for as awful as the Browns have been,
if they had Patrick Mahomes, they'd be good, you know.
So I just think this isn't that complicated. Obviously it's
easier for the GM and the coach if the owner
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leaves them alone, right, and they're good. But like they
win or lose because they picked the right players and
they call the right place. The Packers lost that game
because their offense sucks right now. It has nothing to
do with you know, the new president, right. It was
just that's on Matt Lafleur. He's the play caller. Even
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I saw his press conference, he was like, you know,
we need to coach better. But he didn't take all
the He's like, we need to execute better. It's like, Matt,
the buck stops with you, buddy, I'd be careful about
take it all. It was the first time I was like, God,
is this guy taking all the responsibility? Got a question,
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when did coaches become a tradeable asset and why is
it not a more common practice. The only two coaches
that I can remember be traded being traded were Gruden
and Peyton. Also, do you think that Gruden would be
a fit for Joe Burrow in the Bengals or do
you think they need a defensive coach? Well, Peyton quit,
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So you know, Peyton told the Saints I'm out, and
they just traded for him because they were like, you're
under contract, you quit on us, you went to do
TV and then you wanted to coach someone else because
you thought the roster that you played a huge part
on sucked and you had no quarterback. Which I don't
blame him. Doc Rivers has made a career doing stuff
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like this, but they did. The Saints didn't actively want
to trade Sean Payton. He tapped out on them, which
is his choice. But John Gruden wanted to get money
and Al Davis would not pay him, so Al Davis
traded John Gruden. Typically, if you have Sean Payton or
Gruden back in his prime, the team doesn't want the
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guy to leave, just like the Saints they didn't want
him to leave. So, like I'm trying to think of
an example, the Rams would like Sean mcvay' is not available.
Why because the want him to be their coach. So
I think part of the reason you don't see many
coaches traded is because that team typically wants the coach
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now Mike Tomlin this offseason, Could they trade him to
the Giants for like a third round pick? Well, if
I was the Giants, it's like, well, then keep them
a dary to fire him. Well, I'm not trading you anything.
So I just think it's a practice that it's more
unrealistic for it to happen then it will ever be
considered like common practice. A Big Bills fan love McDermott
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and what he's done for the franchise for almost a decade,
but since the thirteen second game, I've lost confidence. He's
proven that in sticky situations he gets too tight two
conservative clock management issues, etc. Assuming he gets relieved of
his duties at the conclusion of the year, who do
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you think would be a good fit Stefanski bring day
Ball back. Wish we could have got the chance to
bringing Ben Johnson a vrabel, But can't fire a coach
getting in the AMFC Champion again. You cannot fire Sean
McDermott for Kevin Stefanski like that just can't happen. And
I would say the same thing for day Ball. Though
he's coached Josh Allen. It's been well reported that those
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two didn't have a great relationship at the end, not Josh.
But I can't speak to Josh's relationship with day Ball.
But Sean McDermot and Brian da Ball did not get along.
But I don't know how you could coach a guy
who's or hire a guy who's twenty and forty and
replace him with Sean McDermott. I don't think you can do.
I'm trying to look up Kevin Stefanski's coaching record. I
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would have an I would guess it would be really,
really shitty. Yeah, it's not great. He's obviously had two
good years with the Browns. Won during the RONA season
of twenty twenty. Then he's eight nine, seven and ten,
did have twenty three where he went eleven six with Flacco.
Last two years he's won five games. He's three and
four team twenty four, and he's two and seven this year,
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headed toward three or four wins. So to me, Stefanski's untouchable.
I couldn't hire either one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
To me, if you.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Are the owner or I guess, if you're gonna keep
the GM, who I would have to imagine.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Would be in a little trouble too.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Who are my options. This is the problem with this offseason.
Like in college, are a lot of good options, right,
There are a lot of proven head coaches. James Franklin's available,
Lane's Kiffin might be available. You got a bunch of
up and comers at different places in the NFL. Last
year was the cycle. Even Liam Cohen, I know he
just lost to the Texans, but pretty good. I've been
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pretty impressed with Liiam Cohen. I don't want to say
he came out of nowhere because I've kind of followed
his career since Will Levis and Kentucky, but he's that's
a pretty good type guy. Like if Liam Cohen was available,
I'd be interested if I was the Bills like last year,
but he's not, and he was a third best coach
of his own cycle. Who are the coaches this cycle, Well,
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you already got one of them, Joe Brady, Clint Kubiak.
I think it's difficult, man, Robert Sala. I think it's
gonna be hard this offseason to fire a coach unless
you know for sure the individual you're gonna get, because
if you're just gonna randomly go interview the crew, I
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if things keep going bad for the Packers or they
misget bounced early in the playoffs that they fire Lafloor,
promote Halflee to head coach, and just hire a good
OC to run the offense. I think the risky part
with that is Halflee is proven. He's good with defense,
he was good at Ohio State. He became a head coach. Obviously,
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most people don't win at Boston College. Bill O'Brien, who
clearly is solid, I think it's like one in eight
this year at Boston College. Like that might be the
worst college job in power for I wouldn't touch that
job with one hundred foot poll, so I'm not judging
him on being a head coach, but he's never proven
that he can be a head coach. He's a great
defensive coordinator. I think it would be pretty risky now.
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I think if you're gonna fire the floor and make
him your head coach if they get good, this is
what I mean for the most part, think about you
had McCarthy forever, Mike Sherman back in the day. Obviously Holmgren.
The Packers have tended to take the al Davis like,
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we hire offensive coaches, so they typically don't hire defensive guys.
Now do Guta can stay? Is the move just elevate halfleet?
Who would you make the offensive coordinator? I would say
at this point in time, it's definitely on the table.
I do think it would have. Part of life, part
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of business is sometimes you have to take calculator risks.
I don't care what you do, getting married, investing in
the safest stock on the market. There are inherent risk
in literally everything. Things that seem this couldn't be any
more of a safe move for my life, for my
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career can blow up in your face. So it'd be
a calculated risk, but it could backfire because it could
be twofold. What the defense gets worse because it's harder
for him to focus on the defense being the head coach.
And two he struggles being a head coach right in
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the NFL. And what if the offense stays the same,
so it's like the offense hasn't improved, the defense gets worse.
We'd have a major problem. Question for the bag what
do you think of the possibility of Bill Belichick coaching
the Giants? Do you think it could happen. I think
it's zero percent chance to happen. If you told me
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a couple of years ago that Belichick had been fired,
he had taken the year off, and the Giants were open,
I would say it's on the table. After the last
nine months, the stories coming out of the girlfriend, I
have a very difficult time seeing Giants ownership get in
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bed with Jordaan Hudson, and let's face it, you get
in the business with Bill, Jordaan is coming around. The
Giants ain't fucking with that. I think Bill and his relationship,
which listen, he's seventy three, He's sleeping with a twenty
four year old, probably blowing his mind. So props to
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him for enjoying life even as he gets old right,
that does not work though in the NFL. I'm not
saying that there aren't older coaches doing who knows what.
On the side, it does not become public. No team
wants to deal with that. Held North Carolina doesn't want
to deal with that, So Bill, listen, I don't know
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what the record's gonna end up being with North Carolina.
If you look at their schedule, they might end up
like seven and five, potentially six and six. I think
if it was completely quiet, the girlfriend never existed, that
Pablo Tory wasn't going after Bill and Lombardi, and it
was just a normal college football like they weren't that good,
but they weren't that bad. They went seven and five.
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It's North Carolina. I think it would be on the table.
But everything that happened with her to me makes Bill
too toxic, and it's easy to be like, well, look,
North Carolina wasn't that good. We're not touching him. He's
lost his fastball, because I think that's what people would
say about Pete and Bill. It's like out there's seventy three,
seventy four, they've lost their fastball. The other guy their
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age just said, yeah, I'm over this. I'm not doing
it anymore. Nick Saban And look at that clip of
Nick at home watching the Chiefs Bills game. He was
laying on the lazy boy with the blanket like every
grandpa in America. He had to be yelled at by
his wife to sit up and take a bite of cake,
which I totally appreciated. Happy wife, Happy life, Big Falcons
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fan from Ireland, one more male bag question for you.
I appreciate the question might be a few weeks too early,
but looking ahead with Raheem Morris likely to be fired,
how many things aren't looking and how things aren't looking
great in Green Bay. For Matt Lafleur, would he be
a good fit with the Falcons and more importantly, Michael
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Pennix Junior. I think he would fix a lot with
the current issues of the Falcons offense. There aren't that
many coaches to go around. So let's just say I
think the Steelers are going to implode, and if the
Steelers implode, I do think Mike Tomblin and the Giants
make a lot of sense. Well, that would mean if
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the Packers also implode, that would mean the Steelers and
the Packers are available which would be pretty nuts because
one the Steelers job never opens up, and obviously the
Packers is a very desirable place. Well, if you fire
Raheem Morris, like, there aren't that many coaches to go around.
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Is Mike McCarthy. He's not getting rehired by the Packers.
I doubt the Steelers are hiring him. So would Mike
McCarthy be in the mix for Atlanta? I do think
that Lafloor would definitely be in the mix for Atlanta.
You could argue that Laflour would actually make some sense
for Pittsburgh if they wanted to get an offensive coach,
even though the offense right now looks atrocious In Green Bay,
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I just don't know where all these coaches are coming from.
Right Arizona's in trouble. Those guys might get blown out,
Atlanta might get blown out. The Giants and the Titans
are already open.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So I think I.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Just I fall football.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
You fall football?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Who are taking these jobs? Who are the coordinators worth
hiring that you feel good about? Now? That's just the
way it works. But look at last, like Ben Johnson
was the most anticipated offensive coordinator in a long long time.
The guy because you know Sean McVay was off and
on calling plays, and he was not when he was
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hired to the Rams. I'm guilty. I thought this is crazy,
a thirty one year old guy to be the head coach.
Kevin O'Connell did not call plays for Sean McVay. You
could argue the last super highly touted offensive play caller
from Ben Johnson was like Kyle Shanahan even Laflora when
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he was hired for the Packers. I don't even think
the Titans offense was that great that year. It was
more just based on his pedigree. So Ben Johnson was
an elite candidate. Vrabel was an elite candidate, and hell,
even Liam Cohen last year with Baker Mayfield. So I
don't know. I think this class is pretty hit or miss.
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To be honest with you. A big fan of the show,
My question for the mailbag is as follows. It seems
like every year something happens to go wrong with injury
for our team. This year it's no different. Two starting
top five tackles are out, our starting two running backs
are out. I understand that wanting to give excuses to
Herbert every year, but at what point do we just
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admit that he's had a series of problems since starting
that no other top five quarterback has come close to,
from fraudulent coaching to bottom two defenses to now having
the worst offensive line in the entire league. Do you
think people are over exaggerating how bad Herbert has it?
Or do you think it will finally come together one
year and to put to rest the debate surrounding him
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to rest? You never know, man, I just think some
of these debates never end until a guy quits. Sometimes
a narrative or the conversation like what if Lamar Jackson
and Josh Allen never won a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I mean we've been pretty spoiled over the years that
most of the guys around Brady won championships like his peers, right,
obviously Peyton, but Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Big Ben Eli,
most of the top guys like it's kind of Philip
Rivers didn't, but most Carson Palmer didn't, but most of
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his peers won a championship. So it's hard to I
use this example a lot with Rogers. Rogers wanted early
checked the box. He had that over everyone's head. It's like,
well lost again in the playoffs. Well, it's defensive fall
and so however he wanted to poke holes in it.
I'm a super Bowl champ, I'm a Super Bowl and
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he he was. So when you check that box early,
no one can touch it, you know, as long as
Justin Herbert. If they don't make it to a championship
game or never make it to the super Bowl, he's
gonna get nitpicked.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Fair not.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But I'm with you. You lose your tackles, Becton's been out,
Your running backs are in shambles. You have a run
first coach. You can't call runs, so you got to
call passes against the line that can't block anybody. Their
defense is pretty good and their coach is good. So
I think the Chargers are gonna be feisty.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I wouldn't give up on them quite yet to just
be a one and done like they were last year.
Love the pod. Have you tried looking at something dot
tv for NFL games that you can watch on Hulu.
It may be the most legal stream, it may not
be the most legal stream, but it's cheap. I complain
(28:36):
about this ESPN YouTube TV thing not financially like all
my TV setups and my different stream. This is all
part like this is my business intertwined in my life.
So anything that I'm complaining about, It's why I've tried
not to complain about the ESPN YouTube situation. I'm not
(28:56):
mad that I necessarily have to pay for another thing.
It's part of the des what I do for a living.
I watched TV for a living, so I don't complain,
like I'm not digging ditches. I'm not up there in
the heat. I've worked construction, I've worked on the ranch.
My job is a piece of cake in terms of
the pressure on me on a daily basis. Right if
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the biggest my biggest issue is having to upgrade my
Hulu subscription, Like nobody wants to hear that. My issue
has just been with the principle of like this sucks,
so like I'm not worried about having to give ten
more dollars for Hulu. It just pisses me off that
we're at this point, partly because I love YouTube TV.
Like I am a legit. I'm a consumer first before
(29:39):
I've ever done any of this, going back to when
I was ten, fifteen, twenty years old through college, I
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Today.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Question the Eagles, considering their schedule thus far and being
seven and two, are they still the top dogs in
the NFC? They've beaten the Rams, Bucks and the Packers.
Last night was pretty impressive defensively right, offensively, they have
not been like twenty twenty four because they can't run
the ball the Saquan is it's not even his fault.
(32:32):
They used to have gaping holes. Last year, Beckton was
a monster. You know, Dickerson, Milatta Lane Johnson has been
in and out of games. I feel like every other
game I watch, someone rolls up on his knees, someone
falls on his ankle. I just think interior, their guard
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center guard is not as good as it has been
in the past. But they still got Devonte Smith, they
still got aj Brown, they still got Dallas Goddard Helly.
Even last night, Saquan had the big play on the pass.
So offensively, on any given moment they can have, they
can score from any position. Jalen can bust a big run.
Obviously the touch push, but if their defense is gonna
play like that, the pass rush, Jalen Carter look good,
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Jalen Phillips look good, Jalen Hunts looked like a monster.
Mitchell's probably, beside Stingley, the best young corner in the league.
I think they have a good chance as any when
the playoffs come. It's like, okay, I like the Seattle
Seahawks a lot. As of the day, I'd probably picked
them to win the NFC. But there's gonna be a
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ton of pressure on Sam this week against the Rams
moving forward in these games and obviously in the playoff spots.
So Jalen's two best games of his career game in
the Super Bowl, Lafour drawing up plays on the water
cooler while the defense is on the field, day ball
(33:58):
in the blue tent, poking his head in the Parson Strait.
I feel like the off field drama is outweighing the
on the field thoughts. Yeah, I mean, I think it's
part of the deal. I mean, this is this is entertainment,
this reality television show. These are billion dollar teams. These
are very famous players that have big personalities. These are
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owners with big personalities, coaches with big personalities. It's kind
of always been like this. I do think social media
magnifies it a little bit, and you know, pulls at
our emotion with the clips, probably more than it used
to happen. But I don't know. I think once the
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season starts, the games, the transactions which are a big
part of the sport, right, cutting guys, trading guys, benching, guys,
It's all part of the deal. I think the off
the field drama is much bigger February March April free
(35:05):
agency in the draft than it is during the season,
so I think it's no different than years past. Okay,
a couple more questions just got done. Watching the snooze
fest that was Monday Night Football, it occurred to me
the Packers don't seem to have any type of quick
passing game, even with Love under center or Love under
(35:25):
pressure most of the night. Seems like they go super
deep dropbacks and long developing routes down the field. That,
paired with the lack of run game, seems to be
a problem. I think Love is a great player and
obviously super talented throwing the ball, but every but even
during the peak Mahomes year, you could always count on
a ton of hitches, ballout screens and quick routes like slants.
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Do you think this is a problem that Matt Lafleur's
offense or a Jordan Love problem, like he's opting for
down the field reads and not taking the quick stuff. Well,
you can call that does not have any go routes
or deep posts like you can call force lance or
four outs like you can manipulate the offense you're calling it.
(36:10):
He runs what you call. This is ultimately in situations
like this can turn into a dictatorship. You call the plays.
He runs the place. He's not Peyton Manning. He doesn't
get full rain out there if you don't want him
to have it. So I think what they would say
is the talent outside. I mean, Christian Watson is a
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deep ball guy. He's one of the fastest guys in
the league. So when he's gonna be on the field,
they're going to want to press the envelope down the field.
But Wick's got to catch the ball. But Dobbs can
kind of do it all. They're missing Craft, which is
a huge blow. You know, Jacobs should be a massive
addition in the screen game. But yeah, I mean I
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would put it more on the coach than the quarterback
because you're allowed to call whatever play you want. It's
your fucking So I have a hard time blaming love
for the constant down the field. Throws another question about Halflee.
Like I said, I I'd be a little surprised if
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that happened, unless they are just smitten with Jeff Haffley
in the building. I think that would take some balls
to make that move.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Olive your pod.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I've been watching for two years now, I watch every episode.
I'm kind of getting tired of Lafloor not opening up
his playbook to his quarterback, and it's costing his games.
It's safe to say, with his contract expiring and him
coaching for his job for the remainder of the year,
I don't really have a question, but just a thought.
It would be idiotic for Clint Kubiak to pass.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Up this job.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Clint Kubiak's not Any of these coordinators, if Lafloor gets fired,
would accept that job yesterday. Every single coordinator in the league,
every offensive coordinator and every defensive coordinator, obviously including the
Packers defensive coordinator. So if Lafleur is fired, the coordinators
around the NFL will be lined up for the Packers' job.
(38:11):
Let me repeat, lined up. They would take the Packers'
job over the Giant's job, over the Titans job, over
the Cardinals' job. It will be the number one job
on the market. It's one of the most prestigious jobs
in American sports. So Lafleur, I'm sure we'll do everything
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in his power to defend his territory and not give
up that seat in that office because it's it's probably
not quite as desirable as it was when he took
over with Rogers, but remember Rogers kind of struggling then.
I just think, assuming Gudakins would stay, I think it
would be very, very desirable, and I think Kubiak and
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you can name any offensive coordinator and my guess is
they would go offense. Could they bring back McCarthy or
is that ship sailed? That'd be sick. Mike's like, hey, Gudakin's,
I watched every single snap of you guys on film.
Then he gets hired, He's like, actually, I just watched
a couple of games on TV. That was a joke
(39:19):
based on Mike saying that he watched all the Cowboys
games when he didn't and then he admitted it. Would
you be more furious as a Packer fan or a
Steeler fan at your team's coaching given what both teams have, Uh,
green Bay, I mean Green Bay's had this nucleus of
guys they trade for Parsons, They've been right there. They're
(39:42):
better than the pack I mean, we just saw him
play the Steelers. They curb stopped him. They are dramatically
better in Pittsburgh. I think Steeler fans can acknowledge this.
We're not that good. We have a forty one year
old quarterback that doesn't want to get hit. We have
one wide receiver who's built like a Greek god, who's
pretty average for.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
What he should be.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Again, he's good, but we gave a second. We gave
him one hundred and fifty million dollars. He's probably like
a two, definitely a one B. We have no other
wide receivers. We got ten tight ends. Our best running
back should be a second, you know, a number two.
Our defense is very overrated, like the Packers. Like I
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said last night, it was the first time where I
went I get it, Like if I'm a Packer fan,
I get it. This is em Barrett, Like, what is
going on? How is this happening? What is going on?
And the answer is no, one really knows, Like, how
did we just suck overnight? What has happened to us
(40:49):
the last couple of weeks? How have we lost to
the Browns? How have we lost the Panthers? How did
we lose a game? When the Eagles score ten points
in Lambo, it's one thing. It's like, hey man, you
just lost the Philadelphia Eagles twenty seven to twenty.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
It's like we had an awful.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Interception in the second second half, Like you could live
with it, it would suck. They scored ten points, I
repeat ten points. And not only did you lose like
you were behind the whole time, it felt like you
were your back was against the ropes the entire time,
(41:26):
in a zero zero game, in a seven to nothing game, like,
how did that happen? At one point in time, it's
ten to nothing, it felt like it was thirty to nothing.
So I would say, listen, the Steelers got their ass
kicked on Sunday Night football. I saw Joe Flacco light
them up like a Christmas tree like Green Bay, and listen.
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Maybe I'm biased because I bet on them to make
the Super Bowl, but I thought it was legitimate. They
went one to five last year in the division. They
add Parsons. Now, they've got some injuries going right now.
But that long last night was every bit as bad
as the loss of the Panthers. And that was probably
the worst loss of the season, going back to the
Browns game, which probably at the time was the worst
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loss of the season, so the Packers. They tied the Cowboys.
I don't know, man, I think the Packers. I'm not
a Packer fan, but because as a kid the forty
nine Ers played the Packers all the time, I've just
I loved far I've When I my first year in Philadelphia,
we played the Packers twice. The first game of the season,
(42:30):
Clay Matthews knocked out Kevin Cobb, Michael Vick came in
played him again in the playoffs. Ever since I've been
doing this, I got in radio the forty nine Ers
were playing the Packers and Kaepernick was lighting them up.
I feel like I've seen them live so many times
over the years. I feel like I followed their team
as closely as any team that is not like you know,
a Bay Area team, And this year feels like it's
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really getting away from I appreciate everyone watching. Have a
great day. Talk to you soon.
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of now, who should be the front runner for NFL MVP.
I'm a Patriots fan, so I think Drake May has
an argument for it. But I have a hard time
looking on how dominant Jonathan Taylor has been for the
number one seed.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
In the AFC.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
To me, I think there's a group of guys, you know,
I think obviously the quarterbacks Drake May would squarely be
in it. Stafford Donald. I mean, look at the impact
Donald's had on Seattle and their passing game. It's been dramatic.
Stafford has He's been elite. I mean he has. He
looks fantastic. Obviously, Addam Devonte Adams has been huge. But
(02:48):
I'm with you. I mean, if if we removed the
word MVP and we said the NFL Heisman Trophy, Jonathan
Taylor would win, right. But I think this MVP award
has it's just become so quarterback centric to me, Drake May,
his ceiling is the MVP Award. I'm just not even
talking this season. I'm just saying where you should feel great.
(03:09):
If you're a Patriot fans, know that you had twenty
years of Brady and a couple years later you now
have this and even the guy you drafted, Mac Jones,
a single handily saving the forty nine ers. Like you
guys are on the right quarterbacks, I would say Mike
Vrabel would be the Patriots MVP more than Drake And
(03:29):
I'm not trying to diminish anything with Drake May, but
I would have him behind Darnold and Stafford. And I'm
with you, I would have no problem. Rodge and company
will probably never give me a vote, but if they did,
I would go with Jonathan Taylor. You're the GM of
an NFL team. You have to pick a running back,
(03:50):
and here are your two options. One the guy will
get exactly one hundred yards every single game, no more,
no less. Two, this will get you exactly two yards
every single time he runs the ball, No more, no less.
You can run each running back as many times as
you want. Who are you choosing? Want to take the
(04:12):
guy getting one hundred yards two yards doesn't If you
average two yards of carry, you're gonna get cut. I
can't run you four times. You don't even get me
a first down, So I don't even think that's Is
that a trick question? Am I dumb? Which I wouldn't
consider myself smart? So I feel like I'm being duped here,
(04:33):
But I would go with the one hundred yard guy. Right.
If I'm getting one hundred yards a game from my
running back, it's seventeen hundred yards a game, and hopefully
my quarterback's pretty solid. But I'd feel pretty good about
my chances there. I feel like you're doing something to me, though,
I feel like there's a math equation. I don't know
(04:54):
as two yards is not enough. If you said three
and a half, I might think differently. Thank you for
the Folds of Honor interview. My husband is a former Marine.
He flew from California out to DC this weekend to
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Marines about twenty years ago, but their bonds remain strong.
With so many fewer people being connected to the military
these days. I always appreciate it when people highlight Yeah,
it's obviously you know both my grandparents. I didn't mention
it to the I mean the president of Folds of
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are considered certified badasses. But both my grandparents were in
World War Two. My mom's dad flew was shot down
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wasn't actually in Vietnam. I think he was in Germany
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dad was We're pretty old school home, so we had
some like Tom Coughlin like rules. Being early is late.
So yeah, I appreciate all you guys and you know,
folds of honor. When they said they were coming on
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we had him, one felt right. So the military means
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a lot to me and it will my entire life,
and I plan on teaching my son the same as well.
Wanted to hear your thoughts on Kaylin Dubor. I feel
that even after his recent hot streak, he's criminally underrated.
The national narrative does not come close to what the
guys actually accomplished. I have some stats here I think
(06:41):
that will genuinely, genuinely shock you. He's eight and one
against top ten opponents, best winning percentage in the stat
in the history of college football among any coach, pastor president.
He's nineteen and three against top twenty five teams, also
the best winning percentage all time. He took a team
(07:02):
with zero five star players to the national championship, with
Washington only coach to ever accomplish this in the modern
recruiting era. Combined eight tozer record against Lanning Kirby, Sark
and Kelly and finally a one hundred and twenty and
seventeen all time coaching records. You can preaches the choir here, brother,
like I'm on board with Kaitlin de Boor like he's
(07:26):
he's good, he's kicking ass and taking it. You put
him in grub together and you give them a functional quarterback.
It's fucking on like Donkey Kong. So you do not
need to you don't sell me on this one. I
am on board.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I got nervous when he lost to Florida State, but
I mean he went nine to four Jalen Milroe, Like,
I just think Jalen Milroe is the complete opposite type
of quarterback that he would want. But when he's had
guys that are more traditional pocket pass Pennix in Pennix
(08:04):
at Washington, he had Jake Haynert at Fresno State, and
obviously now with Ty Simpson, I don't even know who
the hell he had in the Dakotas. But he's beaten
the you know what at everybody in his way and
to go to the SEC and do that, right, He's
beat Kirby back to back years. Brian Kelly at this point,
(08:26):
it's not that big of a but Kirby back to
back years pretty incredible accomplishment. Question for the bag. I've
been seeing a lot about the new Colts owner, Carly
Ers Gordon standing on the sidelines with a headset during
the game and learning the logistics of football in order
to effectively operate the franchise. Obviously, there are owners like
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Jerry Jones who meddle to the point of hurting their team.
But do you think more owners who are quote unquote
hands off will be inspired by Carly to become better
acquainted with the logistics of the game even if the
Colts continue to have success moving forward. In your opinion,
how involved should a good owner be the reason the
(09:08):
Colts are good? And I'm not people think I'm gonna
hate on her about this, Like I do think it's
funny that she'll be a practice with a Gucci pullover.
I just laugh at the visual, even though, like I'm
not offended by her wearing Gucci to practice, But it's
like she's rich. I mean, she's a billionaire and she's
not quote unquote a new owner. She's played a big
role as her sister is, like you know, with her dad,
(09:30):
like she was born in this family. So the reason
the Colts are winning this year and not in previous
years is they have a good quarterback. So like, it's
not she's not doing anything different. I'm not I feel
like I'm hating honor. I have no I don't give
a shit. I'm not a Colts fan. But they're getting
(09:51):
solid quarterback play and now they look headed toward twelve
to fourteen wins. It has nothing to do with her
right now. Maybe she's made some tweaks and mark and
other things that I don't know about, but she's not
calling the plays, she's not running practice. Maybe they would
say she's given them some ideas that they've instituted. I
(10:11):
don't know, but I think it has zero impact. Right
The reason the Cowboys have not won in the playoffs
is Dak Prescott has thrown the ball to the other team.
He threw interceptions against the Niners, against the Packers in
playoff games. It wasn't because Jerry Jones was meddling. So like,
at the end of the day, if you have good
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players and good coaches and a good quarterback, you're gonna
be pretty good. Whether the owners a pain in the ass,
or not. Like, for as awful as the Browns have been,
if they had Patrick Mahomes, they'd be good, you know.
So I just think this isn't that complicated. Obviously it's
easier for the GM and the coach if the owner
(10:56):
leaves them alone, right, and they're good. But like they
win or lose because they picked the right players and
they call the right place. The Packers lost that game
because their offense sucks right now. It has nothing to
do with you know, the new president, right. It was
just that's on Matt Lafleur. He's the play caller. Even
(11:18):
I saw his press conference, he was like, you know,
we need to coach better. But he didn't take all
the He's like, we need to execute better. It's like, Matt,
the buck stops with you, buddy, I'd be careful about
take it all. It was the first time I was like, God,
is this guy taking all the responsibility? Got a question,
(11:38):
when did coaches become a tradeable asset and why is
it not a more common practice. The only two coaches
that I can remember be traded being traded were Gruden
and Peyton. Also, do you think that Gruden would be
a fit for Joe Burrow in the Bengals or do
you think they need a defensive coach? Well, Peyton quit,
(12:02):
So you know, Peyton told the Saints I'm out, and
they just traded for him because they were like, you're
under contract, you quit on us, you went to do
TV and then you wanted to coach someone else because
you thought the roster that you played a huge part
on sucked and you had no quarterback. Which I don't
blame him. Doc Rivers has made a career doing stuff
(12:23):
like this, but they did. The Saints didn't actively want
to trade Sean Payton. He tapped out on them, which
is his choice. But John Gruden wanted to get money
and Al Davis would not pay him, so Al Davis
traded John Gruden. Typically, if you have Sean Payton or
Gruden back in his prime, the team doesn't want the
(12:46):
guy to leave, just like the Saints they didn't want
him to leave. So, like I'm trying to think of
an example, the Rams would like Sean mcvay' is not available.
Why because the want him to be their coach. So
I think part of the reason you don't see many
coaches traded is because that team typically wants the coach
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now Mike Tomlin this offseason, Could they trade him to
the Giants for like a third round pick? Well, if
I was the Giants, it's like, well, then keep them
a dary to fire him. Well, I'm not trading you anything.
So I just think it's a practice that it's more
unrealistic for it to happen then it will ever be
considered like common practice. A Big Bills fan love McDermott
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and what he's done for the franchise for almost a decade,
but since the thirteen second game, I've lost confidence. He's
proven that in sticky situations he gets too tight two
conservative clock management issues, etc. Assuming he gets relieved of
his duties at the conclusion of the year, who do
(13:54):
you think would be a good fit Stefanski bring day
Ball back. Wish we could have got the chance to
bringing Ben Johnson a vrabel, But can't fire a coach
getting in the AMFC Champion again. You cannot fire Sean
McDermott for Kevin Stefanski like that just can't happen. And
I would say the same thing for day Ball. Though
he's coached Josh Allen. It's been well reported that those
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two didn't have a great relationship at the end, not Josh.
But I can't speak to Josh's relationship with day Ball.
But Sean McDermot and Brian da Ball did not get along.
But I don't know how you could coach a guy
who's or hire a guy who's twenty and forty and
replace him with Sean McDermott. I don't think you can do.
I'm trying to look up Kevin Stefanski's coaching record. I
(14:40):
would have an I would guess it would be really,
really shitty. Yeah, it's not great. He's obviously had two
good years with the Browns. Won during the RONA season
of twenty twenty. Then he's eight nine, seven and ten,
did have twenty three where he went eleven six with Flacco.
Last two years he's won five games. He's three and
four team twenty four, and he's two and seven this year,
(15:03):
headed toward three or four wins. So to me, Stefanski's untouchable.
I couldn't hire either one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
To me, if you.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Are the owner or I guess, if you're gonna keep
the GM, who I would have to imagine.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Would be in a little trouble too.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Who are my options. This is the problem with this offseason.
Like in college, are a lot of good options, right,
There are a lot of proven head coaches. James Franklin's available,
Lane's Kiffin might be available. You got a bunch of
up and comers at different places in the NFL. Last
year was the cycle. Even Liam Cohen, I know he
just lost to the Texans, but pretty good. I've been
(15:42):
pretty impressed with Liiam Cohen. I don't want to say
he came out of nowhere because I've kind of followed
his career since Will Levis and Kentucky, but he's that's
a pretty good type guy. Like if Liam Cohen was available,
I'd be interested if I was the Bills like last year,
but he's not, and he was a third best coach
of his own cycle. Who are the coaches this cycle, Well,
(16:04):
you already got one of them, Joe Brady, Clint Kubiak.
I think it's difficult, man, Robert Sala. I think it's
gonna be hard this offseason to fire a coach unless
you know for sure the individual you're gonna get, because
if you're just gonna randomly go interview the crew, I
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New Jersey, Ohio, Tennis Steve Virginia. Is there a chance
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if things keep going bad for the Packers or they
misget bounced early in the playoffs that they fire Lafloor,
promote Halflee to head coach, and just hire a good
OC to run the offense. I think the risky part
with that is Halflee is proven. He's good with defense,
he was good at Ohio State. He became a head coach. Obviously,
(18:36):
most people don't win at Boston College. Bill O'Brien, who
clearly is solid, I think it's like one in eight
this year at Boston College. Like that might be the
worst college job in power for I wouldn't touch that
job with one hundred foot poll, so I'm not judging
him on being a head coach, but he's never proven
that he can be a head coach. He's a great
defensive coordinator. I think it would be pretty risky now.
(19:01):
I think if you're gonna fire the floor and make
him your head coach if they get good, this is
what I mean for the most part, think about you
had McCarthy forever, Mike Sherman back in the day. Obviously Holmgren.
The Packers have tended to take the al Davis like,
(19:22):
we hire offensive coaches, so they typically don't hire defensive guys.
Now do Guta can stay? Is the move just elevate halfleet?
Who would you make the offensive coordinator? I would say
at this point in time, it's definitely on the table.
I do think it would have. Part of life, part
(19:43):
of business is sometimes you have to take calculator risks.
I don't care what you do, getting married, investing in
the safest stock on the market. There are inherent risk
in literally everything. Things that seem this couldn't be any
more of a safe move for my life, for my
(20:04):
career can blow up in your face. So it'd be
a calculated risk, but it could backfire because it could
be twofold. What the defense gets worse because it's harder
for him to focus on the defense being the head coach.
And two he struggles being a head coach right in
(20:24):
the NFL. And what if the offense stays the same,
so it's like the offense hasn't improved, the defense gets worse.
We'd have a major problem. Question for the bag what
do you think of the possibility of Bill Belichick coaching
the Giants? Do you think it could happen. I think
it's zero percent chance to happen. If you told me
(20:45):
a couple of years ago that Belichick had been fired,
he had taken the year off, and the Giants were open,
I would say it's on the table. After the last
nine months, the stories coming out of the girlfriend, I
have a very difficult time seeing Giants ownership get in
(21:09):
bed with Jordaan Hudson, and let's face it, you get
in the business with Bill, Jordaan is coming around. The
Giants ain't fucking with that. I think Bill and his relationship,
which listen, he's seventy three, He's sleeping with a twenty
four year old, probably blowing his mind. So props to
(21:32):
him for enjoying life even as he gets old right,
that does not work though in the NFL. I'm not
saying that there aren't older coaches doing who knows what.
On the side, it does not become public. No team
wants to deal with that. Held North Carolina doesn't want
to deal with that, So Bill, listen, I don't know
(21:57):
what the record's gonna end up being with North Carolina.
If you look at their schedule, they might end up
like seven and five, potentially six and six. I think
if it was completely quiet, the girlfriend never existed, that
Pablo Tory wasn't going after Bill and Lombardi, and it
was just a normal college football like they weren't that good,
but they weren't that bad. They went seven and five.
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It's North Carolina. I think it would be on the table.
But everything that happened with her to me makes Bill
too toxic, and it's easy to be like, well, look,
North Carolina wasn't that good. We're not touching him. He's
lost his fastball, because I think that's what people would
say about Pete and Bill. It's like out there's seventy three,
seventy four, they've lost their fastball. The other guy their
(22:41):
age just said, yeah, I'm over this. I'm not doing
it anymore. Nick Saban And look at that clip of
Nick at home watching the Chiefs Bills game. He was
laying on the lazy boy with the blanket like every
grandpa in America. He had to be yelled at by
his wife to sit up and take a bite of cake,
which I totally appreciated. Happy wife, Happy life, Big Falcons
(23:06):
fan from Ireland, one more male bag question for you.
I appreciate the question might be a few weeks too early,
but looking ahead with Raheem Morris likely to be fired,
how many things aren't looking and how things aren't looking
great in Green Bay. For Matt Lafleur, would he be
a good fit with the Falcons and more importantly, Michael
(23:27):
Pennix Junior. I think he would fix a lot with
the current issues of the Falcons offense. There aren't that
many coaches to go around. So let's just say I
think the Steelers are going to implode, and if the
Steelers implode, I do think Mike Tomblin and the Giants
make a lot of sense. Well, that would mean if
(23:49):
the Packers also implode, that would mean the Steelers and
the Packers are available which would be pretty nuts because
one the Steelers job never opens up, and obviously the
Packers is a very desirable place. Well, if you fire
Raheem Morris, like, there aren't that many coaches to go around.
(24:09):
Is Mike McCarthy. He's not getting rehired by the Packers.
I doubt the Steelers are hiring him. So would Mike
McCarthy be in the mix for Atlanta? I do think
that Lafloor would definitely be in the mix for Atlanta.
You could argue that Laflour would actually make some sense
for Pittsburgh if they wanted to get an offensive coach,
even though the offense right now looks atrocious In Green Bay,
(24:30):
I just don't know where all these coaches are coming from.
Right Arizona's in trouble. Those guys might get blown out,
Atlanta might get blown out. The Giants and the Titans
are already open.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So I think I.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Just I fall football.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
You fall football?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Who are taking these jobs? Who are the coordinators worth
hiring that you feel good about? Now? That's just the
way it works. But look at last, like Ben Johnson
was the most anticipated offensive coordinator in a long long time.
The guy because you know Sean McVay was off and
on calling plays, and he was not when he was
(25:08):
hired to the Rams. I'm guilty. I thought this is crazy,
a thirty one year old guy to be the head coach.
Kevin O'Connell did not call plays for Sean McVay. You
could argue the last super highly touted offensive play caller
from Ben Johnson was like Kyle Shanahan even Laflora when
(25:29):
he was hired for the Packers. I don't even think
the Titans offense was that great that year. It was
more just based on his pedigree. So Ben Johnson was
an elite candidate. Vrabel was an elite candidate, and hell,
even Liam Cohen last year with Baker Mayfield. So I
don't know. I think this class is pretty hit or miss.
(25:50):
To be honest with you. A big fan of the show,
My question for the mailbag is as follows. It seems
like every year something happens to go wrong with injury
for our team. This year it's no different. Two starting
top five tackles are out, our starting two running backs
are out. I understand that wanting to give excuses to
Herbert every year, but at what point do we just
(26:12):
admit that he's had a series of problems since starting
that no other top five quarterback has come close to,
from fraudulent coaching to bottom two defenses to now having
the worst offensive line in the entire league. Do you
think people are over exaggerating how bad Herbert has it?
Or do you think it will finally come together one
year and to put to rest the debate surrounding him
(26:36):
to rest? You never know, man, I just think some
of these debates never end until a guy quits. Sometimes
a narrative or the conversation like what if Lamar Jackson
and Josh Allen never won a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I mean we've been pretty spoiled over the years that
most of the guys around Brady won championships like his peers, right,
obviously Peyton, but Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Big Ben Eli,
most of the top guys like it's kind of Philip
Rivers didn't, but most Carson Palmer didn't, but most of
(27:19):
his peers won a championship. So it's hard to I
use this example a lot with Rogers. Rogers wanted early
checked the box. He had that over everyone's head. It's like,
well lost again in the playoffs. Well, it's defensive fall
and so however he wanted to poke holes in it.
I'm a super Bowl champ, I'm a Super Bowl and
(27:40):
he he was. So when you check that box early,
no one can touch it, you know, as long as
Justin Herbert. If they don't make it to a championship
game or never make it to the super Bowl, he's
gonna get nitpicked.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Fair not.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But I'm with you. You lose your tackles, Becton's been out,
Your running backs are in shambles. You have a run
first coach. You can't call runs, so you got to
call passes against the line that can't block anybody. Their
defense is pretty good and their coach is good. So
I think the Chargers are gonna be feisty.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I wouldn't give up on them quite yet to just
be a one and done like they were last year.
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So anything that I'm complaining about, It's why I've tried
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It's part of the des what I do for a living.
I watched TV for a living, so I don't complain,
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My job is a piece of cake in terms of
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Like I am a legit. I'm a consumer first before
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And YouTube TV I swear by it, and I've had
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Speaker 1 (32:09):
Question the Eagles, considering their schedule thus far and being
seven and two, are they still the top dogs in
the NFC? They've beaten the Rams, Bucks and the Packers.
Last night was pretty impressive defensively right, offensively, they have
not been like twenty twenty four because they can't run
the ball the Saquan is it's not even his fault.
(32:32):
They used to have gaping holes. Last year, Beckton was
a monster. You know, Dickerson, Milatta Lane Johnson has been
in and out of games. I feel like every other
game I watch, someone rolls up on his knees, someone
falls on his ankle. I just think interior, their guard
(32:53):
center guard is not as good as it has been
in the past. But they still got Devonte Smith, they
still got aj Brown, they still got Dallas Goddard Helly.
Even last night, Saquan had the big play on the pass.
So offensively, on any given moment they can have, they
can score from any position. Jalen can bust a big run.
Obviously the touch push, but if their defense is gonna
play like that, the pass rush, Jalen Carter look good,
(33:16):
Jalen Phillips look good, Jalen Hunts looked like a monster.
Mitchell's probably, beside Stingley, the best young corner in the league.
I think they have a good chance as any when
the playoffs come. It's like, okay, I like the Seattle
Seahawks a lot. As of the day, I'd probably picked
them to win the NFC. But there's gonna be a
(33:36):
ton of pressure on Sam this week against the Rams
moving forward in these games and obviously in the playoff spots.
So Jalen's two best games of his career game in
the Super Bowl, Lafour drawing up plays on the water
cooler while the defense is on the field, day ball
(33:58):
in the blue tent, poking his head in the Parson Strait.
I feel like the off field drama is outweighing the
on the field thoughts. Yeah, I mean, I think it's
part of the deal. I mean, this is this is entertainment,
this reality television show. These are billion dollar teams. These
are very famous players that have big personalities. These are
(34:22):
owners with big personalities, coaches with big personalities. It's kind
of always been like this. I do think social media
magnifies it a little bit, and you know, pulls at
our emotion with the clips, probably more than it used
to happen. But I don't know. I think once the
(34:43):
season starts, the games, the transactions which are a big
part of the sport, right, cutting guys, trading guys, benching, guys,
It's all part of the deal. I think the off
the field drama is much bigger February March April free
(35:05):
agency in the draft than it is during the season,
so I think it's no different than years past. Okay,
a couple more questions just got done. Watching the snooze
fest that was Monday Night Football, it occurred to me
the Packers don't seem to have any type of quick
passing game, even with Love under center or Love under
(35:25):
pressure most of the night. Seems like they go super
deep dropbacks and long developing routes down the field. That,
paired with the lack of run game, seems to be
a problem. I think Love is a great player and
obviously super talented throwing the ball, but every but even
during the peak Mahomes year, you could always count on
a ton of hitches, ballout screens and quick routes like slants.
(35:49):
Do you think this is a problem that Matt Lafleur's
offense or a Jordan Love problem, like he's opting for
down the field reads and not taking the quick stuff. Well,
you can call that does not have any go routes
or deep posts like you can call force lance or
four outs like you can manipulate the offense you're calling it.
(36:10):
He runs what you call. This is ultimately in situations
like this can turn into a dictatorship. You call the plays.
He runs the place. He's not Peyton Manning. He doesn't
get full rain out there if you don't want him
to have it. So I think what they would say
is the talent outside. I mean, Christian Watson is a
(36:31):
deep ball guy. He's one of the fastest guys in
the league. So when he's gonna be on the field,
they're going to want to press the envelope down the field.
But Wick's got to catch the ball. But Dobbs can
kind of do it all. They're missing Craft, which is
a huge blow. You know, Jacobs should be a massive
addition in the screen game. But yeah, I mean I
(36:52):
would put it more on the coach than the quarterback
because you're allowed to call whatever play you want. It's
your fucking So I have a hard time blaming love
for the constant down the field. Throws another question about Halflee.
Like I said, I I'd be a little surprised if
(37:14):
that happened, unless they are just smitten with Jeff Haffley
in the building. I think that would take some balls
to make that move.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Olive your pod.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I've been watching for two years now, I watch every episode.
I'm kind of getting tired of Lafloor not opening up
his playbook to his quarterback, and it's costing his games.
It's safe to say, with his contract expiring and him
coaching for his job for the remainder of the year,
I don't really have a question, but just a thought.
It would be idiotic for Clint Kubiak to pass.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Up this job.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Clint Kubiak's not Any of these coordinators, if Lafloor gets fired,
would accept that job yesterday. Every single coordinator in the league,
every offensive coordinator and every defensive coordinator, obviously including the
Packers defensive coordinator. So if Lafleur is fired, the coordinators
around the NFL will be lined up for the Packers' job.
(38:11):
Let me repeat, lined up. They would take the Packers'
job over the Giant's job, over the Titans job, over
the Cardinals' job. It will be the number one job
on the market. It's one of the most prestigious jobs
in American sports. So Lafleur, I'm sure we'll do everything
(38:32):
in his power to defend his territory and not give
up that seat in that office because it's it's probably
not quite as desirable as it was when he took
over with Rogers, but remember Rogers kind of struggling then.
I just think, assuming Gudakins would stay, I think it
would be very, very desirable, and I think Kubiak and
(38:54):
you can name any offensive coordinator and my guess is
they would go offense. Could they bring back McCarthy or
is that ship sailed? That'd be sick. Mike's like, hey, Gudakin's,
I watched every single snap of you guys on film.
Then he gets hired, He's like, actually, I just watched
a couple of games on TV. That was a joke
(39:19):
based on Mike saying that he watched all the Cowboys
games when he didn't and then he admitted it. Would
you be more furious as a Packer fan or a
Steeler fan at your team's coaching given what both teams have, Uh,
green Bay, I mean Green Bay's had this nucleus of
guys they trade for Parsons, They've been right there. They're
(39:42):
better than the pack I mean, we just saw him
play the Steelers. They curb stopped him. They are dramatically
better in Pittsburgh. I think Steeler fans can acknowledge this.
We're not that good. We have a forty one year
old quarterback that doesn't want to get hit. We have
one wide receiver who's built like a Greek god, who's
pretty average for.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
What he should be.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Again, he's good, but we gave a second. We gave
him one hundred and fifty million dollars. He's probably like
a two, definitely a one B. We have no other
wide receivers. We got ten tight ends. Our best running
back should be a second, you know, a number two.
Our defense is very overrated, like the Packers. Like I
(40:28):
said last night, it was the first time where I
went I get it, Like if I'm a Packer fan,
I get it. This is em Barrett, Like, what is
going on? How is this happening? What is going on?
And the answer is no, one really knows, Like, how
did we just suck overnight? What has happened to us
(40:49):
the last couple of weeks? How have we lost to
the Browns? How have we lost the Panthers? How did
we lose a game? When the Eagles score ten points
in Lambo, it's one thing. It's like, hey man, you
just lost the Philadelphia Eagles twenty seven to twenty.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
It's like we had an awful.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Interception in the second second half, Like you could live
with it, it would suck. They scored ten points, I
repeat ten points. And not only did you lose like
you were behind the whole time, it felt like you
were your back was against the ropes the entire time,
(41:26):
in a zero zero game, in a seven to nothing game, like,
how did that happen? At one point in time, it's
ten to nothing, it felt like it was thirty to nothing.
So I would say, listen, the Steelers got their ass
kicked on Sunday Night football. I saw Joe Flacco light
them up like a Christmas tree like Green Bay, and listen.
(41:46):
Maybe I'm biased because I bet on them to make
the Super Bowl, but I thought it was legitimate. They
went one to five last year in the division. They
add Parsons. Now, they've got some injuries going right now.
But that long last night was every bit as bad
as the loss of the Panthers. And that was probably
the worst loss of the season, going back to the
Browns game, which probably at the time was the worst
(42:08):
loss of the season, so the Packers. They tied the Cowboys.
I don't know, man, I think the Packers. I'm not
a Packer fan, but because as a kid the forty
nine Ers played the Packers all the time, I've just
I loved far I've When I my first year in Philadelphia,
we played the Packers twice. The first game of the season,
(42:30):
Clay Matthews knocked out Kevin Cobb, Michael Vick came in
played him again in the playoffs. Ever since I've been
doing this, I got in radio the forty nine Ers
were playing the Packers and Kaepernick was lighting them up.
I feel like I've seen them live so many times
over the years. I feel like I followed their team
as closely as any team that is not like you know,
a Bay Area team, And this year feels like it's
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really getting away from I appreciate everyone watching. Have a
great day. Talk to you soon.
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