November 20, 2025 • 39 mins
In this episode of The Herd, Colin Cowherd breaks down why Buffalo Bills star quarterback Josh Allen has been the NFL’s true MVP for years - surpassing even Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes in overall value and impact. Colin delivers his Football Forecast, giving bold predictions on what to expect from the Kansas City Chiefs, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Chicago Bears as the playoff race heats up.
Plus, Super Bowl MVP and NFL analyst Phil Simms joins the show to dissect the Philadelphia Eagles’ struggling offense and explain what’s really going on with Jalen Hurts, the play-calling, and the team’s identity.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All Right, it's Thursday. It is Thursday, and we're ready
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It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening, Thanks for making us part of your day.
So tonight's Thursday Night football. And I just read a
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headline today that Keon Coleman second round, top of the
second round wide receiver, second round wide receiver they drafted
the Buffalo Bills. They're gonna bench him again. He's not
going to start again, so he could be a bust.
And yet it has absolutely no impact on Josh Allen.
And I want to talk about Josh Allen. He is
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the best football player to me on the planet. He's
one of the five best football players I've ever seen.
Lawrence Taylor's in that group. Jerry Rice probably in that group.
Remember last year everybody was talking about Lamar Jackson Josh
Allen MVP controversy. Let me put it in perspective, just
this year, in the past five weeks, In fact, in
the past two months, the Bills are five to zero
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when Josh has three or more touchdowns, Yet they're zero
to three when he scores three or fewer touchdowns. They
literally need him to score three touchdowns minimum in the
last two months for Josh Allen to just help Buffalo
win a game. No franchise that I ever remember has
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been this quarterback dependent. Oh Lamar Lamar. This year the
race even started. Tyler Huntley in a game, scored thirty
points and beat the seven to three Chicago Bears and
look good. Looked really good with Tyler Huntley. Just think
about how valuable Josh Allen is in the past two months.
He's got to score minimum three touchdowns to just win games.
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Last year, Patrick Mahomes was sixteenth in passer rating, only
ninth in touchdown passes, and yet the Chiefs went fifteen
to two. Because Kansas City, top to bottom does so
many things well. Jalen Hurts had the same number of
touchdown passes last year as Kirk Cousins, and they won
the Super Bowl because Philly does so many things well.
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Even Joe Burrow. They couldn't make the playoffs with him,
But when he gets hurt, Flaco still comes in and
tolls for two hundred and fifty yards. The offense still works.
Josh Allen has to be Superman for Buffalo to just
win games. And think about this, and this is one
of the reasons I thought Josh was the MVP and
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I on a Lamar Jackson defender. But from two thousand
until Lamar Jackson showed up, the Ravens were not only good,
they won two Super Bowls, and not with Joe Montana,
with Joe Flacco and Trent Dilferd. The Ravens could win
super Bowls pre Lamar Jackson with what you consider to be,
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you know, middling quarterbacks, although Flacco was pretty good Baltimore,
excuse me, Buffalo couldn't win a playoff game, couldn't win
a single playoff game before Josh Allen. That's the difference.
They're building a new stadium in Buffalo for one reason,
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not because it just got chilly. The snow flurries didn't
just happen in the last two years. They're building it
because of Josh Allen. Because the game he played New
England forty five on our wins and New England won
and only had to throw like three times, and they're like,
you know this Northeast weather megan in the way of
Josh Allen's greatness. He's literally getting a billion dollar plus
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stadium built. And it's not just this year that he
has twenty eight total touchdowns most in the league, or
thirty seven offensive touchdowns most of the NFL. The Bills
do as a team, it's that seventy six percent of
their offensive touchdowns come from one guy. I mean, if
he was a stock, your financial advisor would tell you
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to diversify. You've got too many eggs in one basket.
The Chiefs, the Ravens, the Eagles, they've won Super Bowls
with Nick Foles and Trent Dilfer. They've been winning way
before their star quarterback showed up. But look who won
a playoff game for twenty five years one here's Sean McDermott.
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Bill's played tonight on Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
When he's on his game, you look out.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I mean, he's the best there is in the business.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And he was on his game last.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Week, that's for sure, and the offense was rolling.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay, So we've been on something for a while, and
I do think the smarter viewers and listeners in Pittsburgh
agree with us. You know, there's a percentage of fans
who just can never see. They got the blinders on.
But there's a story today, a headline that says the
Steelers have yet to get their money's worth on DK Metcalf.
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So he's having career lows. And I warned you about this.
I said he's moody, he does not run a great
route tree and Seattle knows that JS ends a more
complete receiver. But DK Metcalf is just a symptom of
a greater sickness called an offensive plagued for seven years.
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Doesn't matter who the quarterback is in Pittsburgh, the coordinator,
the running back, the left tackle, they're bad on offense.
It's an underlying issue. I'll give you an example. George
Pickens leaves Pittsburgh. He is lighting it up, lighting it up.
Most yards, touchdowns through ten games, more this year than
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all of last season. George Pickens has exploded, leaving Mike
Tomlin's team. DK Metcalf is having career lows, Yet he
was better in Seattle with Gino Smith than he is
now with Aaron Rodgers. I have been saying for years.
Are the Steelers just a more stable version of the
New York Jets? Where great players leave and get better,
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coaches leave and are better, they enter, everybody shrinks. Think
about this. I'll give you another example. Kevin Dotts, an
offensive guard, wasn't slated. Mike Tomlin did not see him
as a starter. Since McVeigh and the Rams have picked
him up, he's a top two offensive guard in the league.
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John hus Smith Pro Bowl Miami. Last year, Steelers bring
him in. He has one hundred and sixty five total yards.
Are you seeing a trend? Trying to get the Steelers
to understand offense is like trying to get your grandparents
to understand six seven? The Jets and the Steelers. Talented
athletes enter and shrink. Jets and Steelers talented athletes exit
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and shine. John hus Smith, Kevin Dotson, Dk Metcalf, George Pickens.
It doesn't matter the quarterback is. You can all blame
Aaron Rodgers. It's not an Aaron Rodgers issue. That's why
I've been defending Aaron all the time. Aaron just stepped
into the Pittsburgh Steelers quickstand right now. This year, the
Steelers wide receivers have the fewest targets and receptions in
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the league. What do you think Aaron can't get the
ball to him? I have been defending Aaron all year saying,
throw to the tight ends, throw to the tight ends,
like that's those are the money shots for this offense.
They have enormous So it's just very interesting. People looked
at the DK Metcalf signing and what, oh, sort of
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like Tyreek Hill. Oh, he's gonna change everything in Miami.
Not outcomes. DK Metcalf gonna change everything. The Steelers have
become a more refined, less chaotic version of the Jets.
Offensive players go to Pittsburgh and New York and they shrink,
they exit and they shine. I mean, look at Sam Darnold, now,
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look at George Pickens, now look at Kevin dottson that.
And yet John hus Smith with Miami's a pro bowler's
he's lost in Pittsburgh. So Aaron wants to play this week,
Aaron is gonna do it if he's healthy. But everybody's
pointing at Aaron. It's not Aaron. Here's Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
He's the type of guy and has the type of profile.
It doesn't require a lot of physical work and an
effort to be ready to play, and that's helpful. A
little later in the week, we'll take a look at Aaron,
and again, as I mentioned, the variables are stabilizing it
and making sure that he's safe and he can protect himself,
brace himself as he falls, et cetera. Pain tolerance, But
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that doesn't seem to be an issue with Aaron. He
wanted to go back in the game on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, so it did this again. DK Metcalf is just
a symptom of it. It is a much bigger underlying
issue offensively, last six seven years, bottom five offense. How's
that possible? They've drafted good players, They have good players. Boy,
you start looking at Kevin Dotson and you'd start looking
at Metcalf shrinking and George Pickens exploding and John Huismith's shrinking.
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They've had different coordinators at it, different quarterbacks, they bring
it in all sorts of different and it's always the
same and it's also a team that tends to get
worse Thanksgiving. Yeah, there are varying arguments why. But if
you start looking at their schedule last year they fell
apart late. Start looking at them now, start looking at
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that schedule. Ravens late at Cleveland, at Detroit, at Baltimore,
Here comes Buffalo at Chicago. Is this weekend the beginning
of a harsh slide into the toilet? We'll see interesting story.
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It is interesting by a very reputable journalist from Philadelphia,
very I mean, he's up for the Heard Big Jay
Journalism Award. A journalist has come out J Mack and
he's saying, listen, I've been covering this Philadelphia Eagle team
for a long time, and you know this is you
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and I are you know up here, we're not boots
on the ground. And when you used to cover a
local team you're a sports writer. Or when I was
doing local TV and I could be in the Blazer's
locker room, in the Buccaneers locker room, it's a big advantage.
You hear stuff, you see stuff, and you've got all
sorts of sources and people that you know. If people have,
you know, an as to grind, they love athletes and
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coaches and you know executives love to text you. Well,
there's a there's a journalist in Philadelphia saying, yeah, this
this Eagle's locker room. It's not all aj brown Re,
a hardened, re beautiful journalist.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
An ink stained wretch is just voicing.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
You know, listen, this is the climate we're in though, Colin.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Right now, honestly, the only way to break through and
get clicks and go viral is to have the off
the record stuff the in SENDI Eary comments, well, hey,
everything being peachy keen with the Super Bowl champs. That
ain't clicking. That's not making the herd, right, would you
agree with me?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well, I don't think this writer cares about making the herd.
I don't think that's his goal line.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Getting on TV shows, having people talk about him on
national radio TV.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
That's what That's what you.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Get when you get Hey, the locker room is a
powder keg. I mean they've won twenty seven of their
last thirty games or something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, I'll just report on this respected journalist reporting around
the corner. I think he won some Krong Kit awards.
I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1 (13:51):
Well It entering Week twelve gets windy, gets cold. The
weather does play a factor this point forward, So it
is time for me to pivot to my alter ego,
Sky Banister, handsome weatherman, hair made of wood. Here we go,
j Mac, give me the game. I'll give you the
weather forecast for that team.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Okay, Sky Banister, what's the forecast for the Buffalo Bills?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
This season?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Looks like unseasonably warm weather ahead for the Bills. No
Buffalo temperatures. Why they only play one opponent that ranks
top half of the league in rushing. That is their
achilles heel. I don't see any Buffalo temperatures. They're heating
up down the stretch. Buffalo getting hot.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
What's the forecast like for the Steelers this season?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Stormy, flash, floods or they have flash in the pan.
Why Aaron Rodgers is banged up and the next three
games are at the Bears, Bills, and Ravens. It is
a really bad time for Aaron Rodgers to not be
at one hundred percent all.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Right, storm? What's the forecast like for the Ravens this season?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Clear skies, mild weather ahead in Maryland? Why berg or
flying north to their playoff paradise. Three of their remaining
games Bengals twice in the Jets next three games are
all at home. I see clear sailing ice winning streaks
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despite Lamar missing practice yesterday.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
What's the forecast like for the struggling Kansas City Chiefs
this season?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Not stormy or clear. It's it's partly cloudy. So they
are playing some home games coming up. They've been good there,
but the season really comes down to this week on
the road against the Colts off of bye, so it
could be really those Clouds could move out of the
way if they beat Indy. But I think their season
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comes down to Sunday on the road or I think
the at home. Excuse me, they're at home. Daniel Jones
off of bye with Shane Stike in a healthy Colts roster.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
All right, what's the forecast like for the Denver Broncos
this season?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Clear skys, baby, they got their playoff picnic basket already
made and set up. Listen, Week seventeen. Chiefs is the
tough one. They won the last two against Kansas City
twelve and two the last couple of years at home.
This is a team that's got a lot of home
games coming up. Bow Knicks, I thought was less frenetic
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against Kansas City than he was in previous weeks. I
like what I see going forward. They'll retain that number
one seed.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
All right.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
What's the forecast like for the La Chargers this season?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Stormy, Where there's lightning, there's oas thunder. They have backups
everywhere in the old line, and they're gonna face some
of the best pass rushing teams over the next seven games. Chiefs, Texans, Eagles, Broncos.
What they struggle with is what they are facing over
the next seven games.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
What's the forecast like for the Philadelphia Eagles this season?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, as the show says, it's always sunny in Philadelphia.
Here's the advantage. Week thirteen, they face the Bears, but
under Sirianni, they're eleven to zero against the NFC North.
Their toughest game is Week seventeen at the Bills. By
that time, Lane Johnson could be healthy, should be healthy,
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so it kind of works in their favor. A couple
of tough games, but they match up well.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
What's the forecast like for the Detroit Lions this season?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, Detroit season isn't black and white. It's a lot
of gray. It's partly cloudy. Here's what I worry about
with the Detroit Lions going forward at the Rams, at
the Bears, but six of their seven remaining games are
in the doors. You know who loves indoor football one
(18:05):
Jared Golf. So it is there's some clouds there at LA,
at Chicago, Green Bay. A lot of indoor games benefits
this quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
What's the forecast like for Micah and the Packers this season?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
All Right, not to sound cheesy, but it doesn't look
gooda I don't know. I don't know. Green Bay three
of the last four games are on the road. For
their last five games are in cold weather environments, and
they can't run the football. I don't mind. If you're
playing in cold Chicago, you gotta be able. At Philadelphia,
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you gotta be able to run the ball efficiently when
you're playing in cold weather green Bay cant That means
relying on down the field throws. It does not look
GOODA all.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Right, we saved the worst for last.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
What's the forecast like for the Chicago Bears this season?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Will acknowledge a little stormy. Chicago faces hazardous wins ahead.
They could blow their playoff chances away three truck. They
got three tough roadies at Philly, at Green Bay, at Niners.
No easy games. Even the should win games like Pittsburgh
are tough. They got to pay play the Packers twice, Eagles, Niners, Lions.
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So never forget. Always keep it here for all your
weather updates with long term award winning meteorologists. Sky Banister,
I like that Goodle line.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Alep, gooda line is really strong, sky Banister, Huh.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, I mean listen. I think the Steelers, the Chargers
and the Bears got stormy weather ahead. The one thing
I will say, the Steelers and the Chargers are not
running the football, well, the Bears are. That is a
huge advantage in That's what worries me a little bit
about Green Bay is that you know, weather go sideways.
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You go look Baltimore, bad weather territory. Another problem with
Kansas City. If they don't beat Indianapolis, they're not running
the football. So, I mean, Xavier Worthy, he's going to
become much less profound. In December and January.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
He started catching like three passes of game tops. I mean, yeah,
can I ask you about the Chiefs real quick?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Colin so interesting?
Speaker 6 (20:28):
You have partly cloudy. I just want to frame this.
So the Texans play tonight, the Chiefs are battling them
for a playoff spot. Yeah, like legitimately they're scoreboard watching.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
They're not used to that.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
And then the Jags play Arizona like they got to.
The Chiefs have to monitor that. And I can't get
over the fact that off of bye week they laid
an egg largely against the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
That is there. Do you think they were.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Game planning at all at the same time for the
Colts or was it like, hey, we got to beat
the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
No, no, no. I think there's a couple of things
that are very true. Chris Jones is not the player
he was a year and a half ago. He is not.
And when he's not, you know, Aaron Donald was getting
double and triple team to the very last game as
a ram, Chris Jones is not as dominant. Well, when
you take it, like when you take out you know
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Bosa gets hurt for the Niners, you know they wouldn't
have a pass rush, right, Like if Khalil mack Tomorrow
got hurt for the Chargers, there goes a big chunk
of their pass rush. There's a reason these guys on
the outside, the Miles Garretts, the Max Crosby's, the Trey Hendrickson,
there were so much you can't duplicate them. It's much
easier in the draft to find a running back or
a wide receiver, or an interior alignment quarterbacks, left tackles
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and edge rushers or interior defensive lineman. I mean, Jalen
Carter had a lot of baggage and Philly's like, no problem.
Why just the body compositions. They're just not many guys
that are three forty with good feet. So Chris Jones
for about a five year period was unblockable and they
could move him all over. They could put him on
the edge, they could him in soight. You couldn't block him.
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You had to double him. He's not the same player. Yeah,
and now he'll have bursts. Same with Travis Kelcey. Travis
kelce has games, but it does feel like he plays
well when he has to. He's not consistent. So I
think part of this for Kansas City is they don't
run the ball well and they don't intimidate you and
alter your game plan up front. And it's the reality
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of Chris Jones. Great player, very good player. Last year.
Next year was the last year with guaranteed money. You
probably gotta rip the band aid off.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
But remember lou Almaruno, the defensive coordinator for the Colts,
was with the Bengals for many years.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
He's the one who schemed.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Up that defense at Arrowhead to beat Mahomes in the playoff.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Remember the game.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
I think it went overtime, the Mahomes through the interception,
and the Bengals are right there with him in another
playoff game. So there's a world where he plays a
lot of zone mixes up the blitzes and Mahomes has
not been good under pressure Colin at all this season,
especially the high leverage games. And then in factor in
the Chiefs inability to stop the run. The Bill's had
a one hundred yard rusher against him.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Cook went nuts. If they can't stop the run Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
In that offensive line, I think Kansas City's in trouble here.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I'm not going all in.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
I don't know if it's in headlines yet, but this
is like a one of the bigger games of the season.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, there's a You know, the NFL has the ability
to create great games out of games that don't appear
to be interesting matchups. Steelers Bears could be very interesting.
New England at Cincinnati. Joe Burrow was at practice today.
That could get very interesting. Jacksonville, which nobody trusts on
the road, goes to Arizona. You know, if Denver, if
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Kansas City can beat the Colts and Jacksonville win, it's
a big And you know, Houston's gonna lose tonight and
the Colts are underdogs to Kansas City. That is a
huge game in the history of the Jaguars franchise to
go to Arizona and win, but they're a dysfunctional, weird
franchise that you don't trust in big spots. I also,
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you know there, keep your eye on Dallas hosting Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yeah, that's obvious.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That is a really interesting game for me.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yeah, Colin, So the four pm slate on paper doesn't
look good Jacksonville Arizona, But then you've got Shadors starting
for the Browns, which is fascinating.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And I'm gonna be honest. I got some friends in.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Atlanta and they're worried about the Saints Falcons game. I
know nobody cares, but it's not just the game. Raheem
Morris could be in some trouble if this season totally flops.
Remember they didn't want to trade Kirk Cousins. They could
have tried to ship them to somebody.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Colin, it's not looking good for the Falcons at all.
In that coaching staff, Phil sims around the corner.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Two down, one to go. It's the Herd.
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Speaker 1 (24:44):
Fifteen years with the Giants, two times Super Bowl champ.
Phil Sims does some college stuff with the Believe Network
as well. Oh guy, Phil Simms. Okay, I saw this story.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Oh this.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Derek Gunn is a longtime reporter in Philadelphia, and he
was on the Seth Joiner Show. And I was told
during the summer by an executive in the NFL who
I trust, talked about him. He said, Jalen Hurts is
kind of beach to his own drummer. It's not Russell
Wilson Seahawks, but he's his own guy. He's not raw
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raw go out beers after the game with the fellas.
He's not that guy. And there was a story Derek
Gunn reports this week is that he, you know, he
kind of runs the offense. He feels like running, and
sometimes he frustrates coaches. And so between what I heard
in that he was just saying is, you know, there's
some discomfort with Hurts. So here's my question to you.
(25:38):
Do you have to be Brady chugging beers with the rookies?
Do you have to be mahomes where everybody loves him
or Peyton Manning would go out to dinner with teammates
to pick up the bill. Do you have to be
popular to be a successful long term quarterback.
Speaker 9 (25:53):
No, of course you don't, but it does help if
you are popular and you do certain things and blend
in with the football team. You know, and I know
Jalen Hurts has taken a lot of heat for being
successful right now in the NFL. And you know, two yes,
is he a conservative player without question, doesn't like to
throw it over the middle, doesn't want to throw into
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tight coverage and make those type of throws.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But also he's very careful.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
And listen, when you've got a defense like the Philadelphia Eagles,
it's not the worst thing that your offense is being
very careful not to turn the football over. It's a
winning formula for many teams. I kind of played that way.
I didn't mean to play that way, but it worked
out that way. When you got a good defense, why
are you out there trying to show everybody you can
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score thirty and forty points? And you know, I think
we saw something from Jalen Hurts last year.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
This same thing was going on. And then what happens.
Speaker 9 (26:49):
He goes to the Super Bowl and all of a
sudden he becomes man, He becomes Tom Brady, and the
Super Bowl wins the MVP.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
So you had a year back in the eighties, you
won a Super Bowl through twenty two picks. I have
always defended interception quarterbacks. I defend Elway, I defend Andrew Luck,
Peyton Manning. Aaron Rodgers was one of the first quarterbacks
in my life that you got all the upside and
no picks. That thing we used to I mean, at
the bottom line is throw the ball down the damn field.
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I don't like dink and dunk guys. So Donald has
Donald has nine games three plus picks. Andrew Luck had
nine games three or plus picks. It doesn't he may
never he's note as good as Luck. He may never
win a Super Bowl. But I like the fact that
Sam Tow's a horrible pick and it doesn't bother him
at all. Where are you on interceptions quarterbacks bouncing off
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mistakes because Donald had a stinker, but Andrew Luck had
ten stinkers.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, it's a lot there. You know, I'll say this
right off the stuff.
Speaker 9 (27:50):
You know, I never had the Giants in those years
when we were really win a lot thet games. They
never said, you know, Phil, you've got to be a
little more careful, you know, Parceales was not that guy.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
He would not get too angry.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
I mean, sometimes he get angry because I throw an interception,
Go Will, that might be the dumbest Playof've ever made
in my career. But otherwise what you said is true, Man,
throw it down the field. We want big plays. Big
plays win games. And then if I started checking it
down too much, he goes. He would yell at me
and go, oh, what do you worry Sims about your
completion percentage?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And you know, just go hey, I'm just trying to
move us down the field and score right right.
Speaker 9 (28:27):
So yeah, and Sam Arnold, I would just say this,
we know what happened the last two games last year
with him, and then they's playing the game he's playing
against the Rams and all that. Sometimes as a quarterback,
you're only your first and you try to.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Do this is I'm not gonna make that mistake today.
Play it careful.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
If the game is close, you're playing a really good team,
that's all right. When the time comes, there's going to
be a big play in the game where it's going
to be easy for you to make. And when you
do that, it changes the narrative everywhere. Was I going
to tell you some of those interceptions at Sam Darnold
through last week. Wow, that's all I can say. Wow,
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you know you've got to pull it back. Sometimes you
just can't. You can't swing for the damn fences every
time the balls pitched to you.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And that's kind of what Sam Darnald. He did it.
I was really surprised, but I was also really surprised
about the type of interceptions they were.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So I used to believe that you got to give
a quarterback three years, but now they have private coaching,
seven on seven summer drills. Kids throw ten thousand passes
by the time they're fourteen. So my take is not
three years, It is Thanksgiving of year two. GM coach
coordinator go upstairs, raise their hands. Do we draft again
or not? Do we extend eventually? So I have shortened
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the timeline up. So I mean Josh Rosen got thirteen starts,
Johnny Manziel got seven or eight? What do you do
with JJ McCarthy. This is a good tool belt, Phil Justin, Jefferson,
Jordan Addison, Kevin o'can great left tackle Like this is
not you know, this is not a bad franchise. This
is not what Caleb got last year in Chicago. How
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long do you give JJ McCarthy before you go upstairs?
Just sit in a room and raise your hand and say, guys,
we got to go in another direction.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
Well, you know he's going to get the rest of
the year. I watched that game this past weekend. I thought, Man,
if they had like a quality veteran backup, I think
they would have brought him in there. You know, JJ McCarthy.
You know, look, there are some things he does well.
He moves around well, he's got a strong arm. But
he's got one pitch and that one pitch is I'm
going to throw the damn thing as hard as I can,
and it doesn't matter if you're ten yards of twenty
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or forty yards. I mean, he's a I think deep
down the field, you see it. He's a pretty good thrower.
But in the NFL, the game has really played from
lists to say the line of scrimmage to fifteen yards
down the field, and you got to be a machine
hitting those plays, and I haven't seen that from JJ McCarty.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
And a lot of it. There's many things. I think
there are technique problems.
Speaker 9 (30:59):
I say, people talking about it all the time will
tell me what it really is, and they can't do that.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
But it's.
Speaker 9 (31:07):
The You've got to hit all those routine throws and
that's one of the biggest thing I think hurts him
and hurts the football team right now.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
And I'll give credit to the receivers.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
They're very good, they're successful, and they're kind of biting
their tongue and they're not getting on the quarterback yet.
But man, he's got to pick up the way he plays.
He's got to become more accurate throwing the football.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Okay, I want to ask you two questions because you
do college football stuff, and I'll get to Mendoz in
a second. I want to start with Shador Sanders. I
thought he was a at worst mid to late second
round guy. The people I trusted in the NFL said, yeah,
I mean he's mid second. They liked him as much
as Jackson Dart some more, and he drops the fifth.
(31:50):
I then heard about him basically blowing the giant interview bad,
the legendary stuff all over his draft room, the speeding tickets.
Obviously some maturity issues there that I didn't know about.
He starts this weekend. Were you when you were doing
your college stuff? The last few years. Were you a
shed or fan or did he run backwards too much?
(32:14):
You know, there were signs he could be impatient. Where
were you on him coming out of college.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
Well, you know, listen the fact that I don't look
at their stats and say, oh he ran around too much.
Those are things you can really correct and very short time.
I did like him in college. Look, he looks to
me he plays really big on the field as he
take too many sacks and try to extend plays. Absolutely,
he did it last week when he came in the game.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
He did it.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
He did it in college. But what, there's many things here.
I think he'll play. Of course, I think everybody thinks
he'll play really well against the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
The Raiders the defense not that good.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Kevin Stefanski when I watched him over the years, go
back to when Joe Flackel took the team to the
playoff and all that they had one of the best,
if not the best, deep throwing offense in the NFL.
So many good designs as Stefanski's really good at. And
you know what that fits should he's another guy he
would rather he's good throwing the ball deep down the field.
(33:16):
He's a good short thrower, but it's the in betweens
that you worry about. And I would be shocked. And
I said this to somebody working with you. I just said,
if he's I believe when they start the game this weekend,
he'll be about eight for ten out of the first
ten throws because they're going to give him screens, make
sure it's easy, get him involved in the game, and
then as time goes on, they'll open it up and
(33:36):
give him and do what he's probably best at, and
that's getting a little more protection and throwing the football
deep down the field.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I don't know if I answered you question, that's what
I think.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, No, Fernanda Mendoza played at Cal. The kid is
supposed to be an unbelievable student. Yes, and at Indiana
and Cal. He's not playing with five star are bam
Ohio State guys. That's not what he's playing with. I
like that, by the way. I like college guys who
come out of cow NC State, yourself, smaller schools. It's
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not Georgia talent. It's like middling talents that you got
to throw open. I think he separated himself in that
Penn State drives. I watched that drive, and I thought,
on the road, big pass rush, Penn State's got elite
defensive players, and right in the teeth of it, he
just threw Sunday throw, Sunday throw, Sunday throw. I see
(34:34):
potentially a really high end college kid. What do you see.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I see a.
Speaker 9 (34:41):
Really high end college kid big time, And I mean,
if you're phrasing about the pros, I think he'll be
a very successful quarterback in the pros.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I mean, he's tall.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
I did their game against Iowa, probably the worst game
of the year for him, but I didn't come away
with it going, oh my gosh, he played man. In fact,
I came away and I said, all the talents did
you want to see in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
He showed you on that field. He just makes great throws.
Speaker 9 (35:04):
He's got a very compact motion, spins the ball, can
really drive it, and he's tough as hell.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
And the other thing that really I like.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
I like these college quarterbacks that are playing somewhat of
a pro offense. Yeah, I look at you, I look
at Indiana and Man, they do the same damn thing
every week, and they might put a little dressing to
it sometimes, but I like everything about him. I think
some people worry, Oh, is it going to work? Is
he mobile enough?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (35:32):
Man, when you're a quarterback like him who's been taught
so well and has the talent, that he's going to
learn very quickly. Hey, the NFL is different, and I
think he'll be somewhat of an instant success, kind of
like Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart, I mean, he played Lane
Kiff and it's got so many pro looks to it,
(35:52):
and all the experience, all those years and all those throws.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It translates to the NFL very quickly.
Speaker 9 (35:58):
It's not like Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams was always in
charge and now he's playing better. Why because Ben Johnson
is stepping on him and the offense FITCI and of
course he's learning and everything.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
So I do like Mendoza a lot, Colin.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
To answer my question, what you just said is exactly
what a top offensive coach told me this week off air.
He told me he said, Indiana runs so many he'll
be an easy quarterback to evaluate. They run so much
pro stuff that it's very obvious you'll know very he goes.
This coach said. I watched him a couple of times
(36:34):
on TV. You can see they're running pro stuff. He'll
be an easy evaluation. Even Mahomes out of the Big twelve,
nobody knew if some of that stuff was gonna work.
Or like Josh Allen at Wyoming, you're like, that's bad competition.
I've been told now that he'll be an easy comp
that's a lot of Sunday stuff and you just echoed it.
(36:55):
So you're seeing the same thing my guy was.
Speaker 9 (36:57):
Yeah, I you know these college quarterbacks. When I'm bored,
I try to go through all these guys and just
watch them real.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Quick and just seeing him in person and talking to him.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
I mean, he's everything you want at the professional level
and being your quarterback, the.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Guy you know. So you know, it's hard.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
On these young quarterbacks, like I've said before and probably
said to you already, and they we judge him too hard,
too fast, and you know, so we're seeing some of
these guys in the second year.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Kayleb Williams, he's the greatest example of all.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
You know, he's coached differently, different offense and fitsing, and
you know, he's got pride and he's so he shows
that in the way he's playing, and it's I'm excited
just watching seeing Ben Johnson with him and how they're
doing it.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And I know they're being tough on him and he's
he's taking it the right way and it shows on
the field as always.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Philip's great seeing you.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Is that it?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Well it was twelve minutes. That's all. That's my show.
That's a big hit it is.
Speaker 9 (37:56):
Okay, Hey, you know there's a couple of guys on
one one earlier.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Bow Knicks.
Speaker 9 (38:03):
He's a man, Okay, I mean a man, and he
does not even flinch when he's playing the game there he.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Is against Kansas City, he's looking for the kill shot.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
And of course he's coached by the guy that's right
with him, and Davis Webb's there helping the quarterbacks. I mean,
that's just one of these these young quarterback here are
a lot of talk at all bone.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Nicks, this and that.
Speaker 9 (38:26):
Yeah, he might not be at the top of his
game yet, but he's he's finding a way to get there,
and I really I love watching him play too.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
By the way, he is also aggressive. He's an aggressive
thrower of the football.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
Absolutely, he's not checked down, Charlie, Let's put it that way.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
And he did it against Kansas City.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
So you saw that he's willing to do the right
thing and take a chance and not worried about it if
he's going to be the goa to the hero, which
is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Good scene, all right, Thank you Phil.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Good seeing you. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Jay MC.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Keep working on those arms man, they're looking good.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
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It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening, Thanks for making us part of your day.
So tonight's Thursday Night football. And I just read a
(00:48):
headline today that Keon Coleman second round, top of the
second round wide receiver, second round wide receiver they drafted
the Buffalo Bills. They're gonna bench him again. He's not
going to start again, so he could be a bust.
And yet it has absolutely no impact on Josh Allen.
And I want to talk about Josh Allen. He is
(01:10):
the best football player to me on the planet. He's
one of the five best football players I've ever seen.
Lawrence Taylor's in that group. Jerry Rice probably in that group.
Remember last year everybody was talking about Lamar Jackson Josh
Allen MVP controversy. Let me put it in perspective, just
this year, in the past five weeks, In fact, in
the past two months, the Bills are five to zero
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when Josh has three or more touchdowns, Yet they're zero
to three when he scores three or fewer touchdowns. They
literally need him to score three touchdowns minimum in the
last two months for Josh Allen to just help Buffalo
win a game. No franchise that I ever remember has
(01:56):
been this quarterback dependent. Oh Lamar Lamar. This year the
race even started. Tyler Huntley in a game, scored thirty
points and beat the seven to three Chicago Bears and
look good. Looked really good with Tyler Huntley. Just think
about how valuable Josh Allen is in the past two months.
He's got to score minimum three touchdowns to just win games.
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Last year, Patrick Mahomes was sixteenth in passer rating, only
ninth in touchdown passes, and yet the Chiefs went fifteen
to two. Because Kansas City, top to bottom does so
many things well. Jalen Hurts had the same number of
touchdown passes last year as Kirk Cousins, and they won
the Super Bowl because Philly does so many things well.
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Even Joe Burrow. They couldn't make the playoffs with him,
But when he gets hurt, Flaco still comes in and
tolls for two hundred and fifty yards. The offense still works.
Josh Allen has to be Superman for Buffalo to just
win games. And think about this, and this is one
of the reasons I thought Josh was the MVP and
(03:04):
I on a Lamar Jackson defender. But from two thousand
until Lamar Jackson showed up, the Ravens were not only good,
they won two Super Bowls, and not with Joe Montana,
with Joe Flacco and Trent Dilferd. The Ravens could win
super Bowls pre Lamar Jackson with what you consider to be,
(03:28):
you know, middling quarterbacks, although Flacco was pretty good Baltimore,
excuse me, Buffalo couldn't win a playoff game, couldn't win
a single playoff game before Josh Allen. That's the difference.
They're building a new stadium in Buffalo for one reason,
(03:49):
not because it just got chilly. The snow flurries didn't
just happen in the last two years. They're building it
because of Josh Allen. Because the game he played New
England forty five on our wins and New England won
and only had to throw like three times, and they're like,
you know this Northeast weather megan in the way of
Josh Allen's greatness. He's literally getting a billion dollar plus
(04:11):
stadium built. And it's not just this year that he
has twenty eight total touchdowns most in the league, or
thirty seven offensive touchdowns most of the NFL. The Bills
do as a team, it's that seventy six percent of
their offensive touchdowns come from one guy. I mean, if
he was a stock, your financial advisor would tell you
(04:32):
to diversify. You've got too many eggs in one basket.
The Chiefs, the Ravens, the Eagles, they've won Super Bowls
with Nick Foles and Trent Dilfer. They've been winning way
before their star quarterback showed up. But look who won
a playoff game for twenty five years one here's Sean McDermott.
(04:56):
Bill's played tonight on Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
When he's on his game, you look out.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I mean, he's the best there is in the business.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And he was on his game last.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Week, that's for sure, and the offense was rolling.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay, So we've been on something for a while, and
I do think the smarter viewers and listeners in Pittsburgh
agree with us. You know, there's a percentage of fans
who just can never see. They got the blinders on.
But there's a story today, a headline that says the
Steelers have yet to get their money's worth on DK Metcalf.
(05:31):
So he's having career lows. And I warned you about this.
I said he's moody, he does not run a great
route tree and Seattle knows that JS ends a more
complete receiver. But DK Metcalf is just a symptom of
a greater sickness called an offensive plagued for seven years.
(05:53):
Doesn't matter who the quarterback is in Pittsburgh, the coordinator,
the running back, the left tackle, they're bad on offense.
It's an underlying issue. I'll give you an example. George
Pickens leaves Pittsburgh. He is lighting it up, lighting it up.
Most yards, touchdowns through ten games, more this year than
(06:14):
all of last season. George Pickens has exploded, leaving Mike
Tomlin's team. DK Metcalf is having career lows, Yet he
was better in Seattle with Gino Smith than he is
now with Aaron Rodgers. I have been saying for years.
Are the Steelers just a more stable version of the
New York Jets? Where great players leave and get better,
(06:40):
coaches leave and are better, they enter, everybody shrinks. Think
about this. I'll give you another example. Kevin Dotts, an
offensive guard, wasn't slated. Mike Tomlin did not see him
as a starter. Since McVeigh and the Rams have picked
him up, he's a top two offensive guard in the league.
(07:00):
John hus Smith Pro Bowl Miami. Last year, Steelers bring
him in. He has one hundred and sixty five total yards.
Are you seeing a trend? Trying to get the Steelers
to understand offense is like trying to get your grandparents
to understand six seven? The Jets and the Steelers. Talented
athletes enter and shrink. Jets and Steelers talented athletes exit
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and shine. John hus Smith, Kevin Dotson, Dk Metcalf, George Pickens.
It doesn't matter the quarterback is. You can all blame
Aaron Rodgers. It's not an Aaron Rodgers issue. That's why
I've been defending Aaron all the time. Aaron just stepped
into the Pittsburgh Steelers quickstand right now. This year, the
Steelers wide receivers have the fewest targets and receptions in
(07:47):
the league. What do you think Aaron can't get the
ball to him? I have been defending Aaron all year saying,
throw to the tight ends, throw to the tight ends,
like that's those are the money shots for this offense.
They have enormous So it's just very interesting. People looked
at the DK Metcalf signing and what, oh, sort of
(08:07):
like Tyreek Hill. Oh, he's gonna change everything in Miami.
Not outcomes. DK Metcalf gonna change everything. The Steelers have
become a more refined, less chaotic version of the Jets.
Offensive players go to Pittsburgh and New York and they shrink,
they exit and they shine. I mean, look at Sam Darnold, now,
(08:30):
look at George Pickens, now look at Kevin dottson that.
And yet John hus Smith with Miami's a pro bowler's
he's lost in Pittsburgh. So Aaron wants to play this week,
Aaron is gonna do it if he's healthy. But everybody's
pointing at Aaron. It's not Aaron. Here's Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
He's the type of guy and has the type of profile.
It doesn't require a lot of physical work and an
effort to be ready to play, and that's helpful. A
little later in the week, we'll take a look at Aaron,
and again, as I mentioned, the variables are stabilizing it
and making sure that he's safe and he can protect himself,
brace himself as he falls, et cetera. Pain tolerance, But
(09:16):
that doesn't seem to be an issue with Aaron. He
wanted to go back in the game on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, so it did this again. DK Metcalf is just
a symptom of it. It is a much bigger underlying
issue offensively, last six seven years, bottom five offense. How's
that possible? They've drafted good players, They have good players. Boy,
you start looking at Kevin Dotson and you'd start looking
at Metcalf shrinking and George Pickens exploding and John Huismith's shrinking.
(09:48):
They've had different coordinators at it, different quarterbacks, they bring
it in all sorts of different and it's always the
same and it's also a team that tends to get
worse Thanksgiving. Yeah, there are varying arguments why. But if
you start looking at their schedule last year they fell
apart late. Start looking at them now, start looking at
(10:11):
that schedule. Ravens late at Cleveland, at Detroit, at Baltimore,
Here comes Buffalo at Chicago. Is this weekend the beginning
of a harsh slide into the toilet? We'll see interesting story.
(10:33):
It is interesting by a very reputable journalist from Philadelphia,
very I mean, he's up for the Heard Big Jay
Journalism Award. A journalist has come out J Mack and
he's saying, listen, I've been covering this Philadelphia Eagle team
for a long time, and you know this is you
(10:53):
and I are you know up here, we're not boots
on the ground. And when you used to cover a
local team you're a sports writer. Or when I was
doing local TV and I could be in the Blazer's
locker room, in the Buccaneers locker room, it's a big advantage.
You hear stuff, you see stuff, and you've got all
sorts of sources and people that you know. If people have,
you know, an as to grind, they love athletes and
(11:16):
coaches and you know executives love to text you. Well,
there's a there's a journalist in Philadelphia saying, yeah, this
this Eagle's locker room. It's not all aj brown Re,
a hardened, re beautiful journalist.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
An ink stained wretch is just voicing.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
You know, listen, this is the climate we're in though, Colin.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Right now, honestly, the only way to break through and
get clicks and go viral is to have the off
the record stuff the in SENDI Eary comments, well, hey,
everything being peachy keen with the Super Bowl champs. That
ain't clicking. That's not making the herd, right, would you
agree with me?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well, I don't think this writer cares about making the herd.
I don't think that's his goal line.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Getting on TV shows, having people talk about him on
national radio TV.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
That's what That's what you.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Get when you get Hey, the locker room is a
powder keg. I mean they've won twenty seven of their
last thirty games or something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, I'll just report on this respected journalist reporting around
the corner. I think he won some Krong Kit awards.
I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1 (13:51):
Well It entering Week twelve gets windy, gets cold. The
weather does play a factor this point forward, So it
is time for me to pivot to my alter ego,
Sky Banister, handsome weatherman, hair made of wood. Here we go,
j Mac, give me the game. I'll give you the
weather forecast for that team.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Okay, Sky Banister, what's the forecast for the Buffalo Bills?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
This season?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Looks like unseasonably warm weather ahead for the Bills. No
Buffalo temperatures. Why they only play one opponent that ranks
top half of the league in rushing. That is their
achilles heel. I don't see any Buffalo temperatures. They're heating
up down the stretch. Buffalo getting hot.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
What's the forecast like for the Steelers this season?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Stormy, flash, floods or they have flash in the pan.
Why Aaron Rodgers is banged up and the next three
games are at the Bears, Bills, and Ravens. It is
a really bad time for Aaron Rodgers to not be
at one hundred percent all.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Right, storm? What's the forecast like for the Ravens this season?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Clear skies, mild weather ahead in Maryland? Why berg or
flying north to their playoff paradise. Three of their remaining
games Bengals twice in the Jets next three games are
all at home. I see clear sailing ice winning streaks
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despite Lamar missing practice yesterday.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
What's the forecast like for the struggling Kansas City Chiefs
this season?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Not stormy or clear. It's it's partly cloudy. So they
are playing some home games coming up. They've been good there,
but the season really comes down to this week on
the road against the Colts off of bye, so it
could be really those Clouds could move out of the
way if they beat Indy. But I think their season
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comes down to Sunday on the road or I think
the at home. Excuse me, they're at home. Daniel Jones
off of bye with Shane Stike in a healthy Colts roster.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
All right, what's the forecast like for the Denver Broncos
this season?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Clear skys, baby, they got their playoff picnic basket already
made and set up. Listen, Week seventeen. Chiefs is the
tough one. They won the last two against Kansas City
twelve and two the last couple of years at home.
This is a team that's got a lot of home
games coming up. Bow Knicks, I thought was less frenetic
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against Kansas City than he was in previous weeks. I
like what I see going forward. They'll retain that number
one seed.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
All right.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
What's the forecast like for the La Chargers this season?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Stormy, Where there's lightning, there's oas thunder. They have backups
everywhere in the old line, and they're gonna face some
of the best pass rushing teams over the next seven games. Chiefs, Texans, Eagles, Broncos.
What they struggle with is what they are facing over
the next seven games.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
What's the forecast like for the Philadelphia Eagles this season?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, as the show says, it's always sunny in Philadelphia.
Here's the advantage. Week thirteen, they face the Bears, but
under Sirianni, they're eleven to zero against the NFC North.
Their toughest game is Week seventeen at the Bills. By
that time, Lane Johnson could be healthy, should be healthy,
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so it kind of works in their favor. A couple
of tough games, but they match up well.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
What's the forecast like for the Detroit Lions this season?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, Detroit season isn't black and white. It's a lot
of gray. It's partly cloudy. Here's what I worry about
with the Detroit Lions going forward at the Rams, at
the Bears, but six of their seven remaining games are
in the doors. You know who loves indoor football one
(18:05):
Jared Golf. So it is there's some clouds there at LA,
at Chicago, Green Bay. A lot of indoor games benefits
this quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
What's the forecast like for Micah and the Packers this season?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
All Right, not to sound cheesy, but it doesn't look
gooda I don't know. I don't know. Green Bay three
of the last four games are on the road. For
their last five games are in cold weather environments, and
they can't run the football. I don't mind. If you're
playing in cold Chicago, you gotta be able. At Philadelphia,
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you gotta be able to run the ball efficiently when
you're playing in cold weather green Bay cant That means
relying on down the field throws. It does not look
GOODA all.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Right, we saved the worst for last.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
What's the forecast like for the Chicago Bears this season?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Will acknowledge a little stormy. Chicago faces hazardous wins ahead.
They could blow their playoff chances away three truck. They
got three tough roadies at Philly, at Green Bay, at Niners.
No easy games. Even the should win games like Pittsburgh
are tough. They got to pay play the Packers twice, Eagles, Niners, Lions.
(19:26):
So never forget. Always keep it here for all your
weather updates with long term award winning meteorologists. Sky Banister,
I like that Goodle line.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Alep, gooda line is really strong, sky Banister, Huh.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, I mean listen. I think the Steelers, the Chargers
and the Bears got stormy weather ahead. The one thing
I will say, the Steelers and the Chargers are not
running the football, well, the Bears are. That is a
huge advantage in That's what worries me a little bit
about Green Bay is that you know, weather go sideways.
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You go look Baltimore, bad weather territory. Another problem with
Kansas City. If they don't beat Indianapolis, they're not running
the football. So, I mean, Xavier Worthy, he's going to
become much less profound. In December and January.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
He started catching like three passes of game tops. I mean, yeah,
can I ask you about the Chiefs real quick?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Colin so interesting?
Speaker 6 (20:28):
You have partly cloudy. I just want to frame this.
So the Texans play tonight, the Chiefs are battling them
for a playoff spot. Yeah, like legitimately they're scoreboard watching.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
They're not used to that.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
And then the Jags play Arizona like they got to.
The Chiefs have to monitor that. And I can't get
over the fact that off of bye week they laid
an egg largely against the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
That is there. Do you think they were.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Game planning at all at the same time for the
Colts or was it like, hey, we got to beat
the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
No, no, no. I think there's a couple of things
that are very true. Chris Jones is not the player
he was a year and a half ago. He is not.
And when he's not, you know, Aaron Donald was getting
double and triple team to the very last game as
a ram, Chris Jones is not as dominant. Well, when
you take it, like when you take out you know
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Bosa gets hurt for the Niners, you know they wouldn't
have a pass rush, right, Like if Khalil mack Tomorrow
got hurt for the Chargers, there goes a big chunk
of their pass rush. There's a reason these guys on
the outside, the Miles Garretts, the Max Crosby's, the Trey Hendrickson,
there were so much you can't duplicate them. It's much
easier in the draft to find a running back or
a wide receiver, or an interior alignment quarterbacks, left tackles
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and edge rushers or interior defensive lineman. I mean, Jalen
Carter had a lot of baggage and Philly's like, no problem.
Why just the body compositions. They're just not many guys
that are three forty with good feet. So Chris Jones
for about a five year period was unblockable and they
could move him all over. They could put him on
the edge, they could him in soight. You couldn't block him.
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You had to double him. He's not the same player. Yeah,
and now he'll have bursts. Same with Travis Kelcey. Travis
kelce has games, but it does feel like he plays
well when he has to. He's not consistent. So I
think part of this for Kansas City is they don't
run the ball well and they don't intimidate you and
alter your game plan up front. And it's the reality
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of Chris Jones. Great player, very good player. Last year.
Next year was the last year with guaranteed money. You
probably gotta rip the band aid off.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
But remember lou Almaruno, the defensive coordinator for the Colts,
was with the Bengals for many years.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
He's the one who schemed.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Up that defense at Arrowhead to beat Mahomes in the playoff.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Remember the game.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
I think it went overtime, the Mahomes through the interception,
and the Bengals are right there with him in another
playoff game. So there's a world where he plays a
lot of zone mixes up the blitzes and Mahomes has
not been good under pressure Colin at all this season,
especially the high leverage games. And then in factor in
the Chiefs inability to stop the run. The Bill's had
a one hundred yard rusher against him.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Cook went nuts. If they can't stop the run Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
In that offensive line, I think Kansas City's in trouble here.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I'm not going all in.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
I don't know if it's in headlines yet, but this
is like a one of the bigger games of the season.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, there's a You know, the NFL has the ability
to create great games out of games that don't appear
to be interesting matchups. Steelers Bears could be very interesting.
New England at Cincinnati. Joe Burrow was at practice today.
That could get very interesting. Jacksonville, which nobody trusts on
the road, goes to Arizona. You know, if Denver, if
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Kansas City can beat the Colts and Jacksonville win, it's
a big And you know, Houston's gonna lose tonight and
the Colts are underdogs to Kansas City. That is a
huge game in the history of the Jaguars franchise to
go to Arizona and win, but they're a dysfunctional, weird
franchise that you don't trust in big spots. I also,
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you know there, keep your eye on Dallas hosting Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yeah, that's obvious.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That is a really interesting game for me.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yeah, Colin, So the four pm slate on paper doesn't
look good Jacksonville Arizona, But then you've got Shadors starting
for the Browns, which is fascinating.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And I'm gonna be honest. I got some friends in.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Atlanta and they're worried about the Saints Falcons game. I
know nobody cares, but it's not just the game. Raheem
Morris could be in some trouble if this season totally flops.
Remember they didn't want to trade Kirk Cousins. They could
have tried to ship them to somebody.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Colin, it's not looking good for the Falcons at all.
In that coaching staff, Phil sims around the corner.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Two down, one to go. It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Fifteen years with the Giants, two times Super Bowl champ.
Phil Sims does some college stuff with the Believe Network
as well. Oh guy, Phil Simms. Okay, I saw this story.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Oh this.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Derek Gunn is a longtime reporter in Philadelphia, and he
was on the Seth Joiner Show. And I was told
during the summer by an executive in the NFL who
I trust, talked about him. He said, Jalen Hurts is
kind of beach to his own drummer. It's not Russell
Wilson Seahawks, but he's his own guy. He's not raw
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raw go out beers after the game with the fellas.
He's not that guy. And there was a story Derek
Gunn reports this week is that he, you know, he
kind of runs the offense. He feels like running, and
sometimes he frustrates coaches. And so between what I heard
in that he was just saying is, you know, there's
some discomfort with Hurts. So here's my question to you.
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Do you have to be Brady chugging beers with the rookies?
Do you have to be mahomes where everybody loves him
or Peyton Manning would go out to dinner with teammates
to pick up the bill. Do you have to be
popular to be a successful long term quarterback.
Speaker 9 (25:53):
No, of course you don't, but it does help if
you are popular and you do certain things and blend
in with the football team. You know, and I know
Jalen Hurts has taken a lot of heat for being
successful right now in the NFL. And you know, two yes,
is he a conservative player without question, doesn't like to
throw it over the middle, doesn't want to throw into
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tight coverage and make those type of throws.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But also he's very careful.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
And listen, when you've got a defense like the Philadelphia Eagles,
it's not the worst thing that your offense is being
very careful not to turn the football over. It's a
winning formula for many teams. I kind of played that way.
I didn't mean to play that way, but it worked
out that way. When you got a good defense, why
are you out there trying to show everybody you can
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score thirty and forty points? And you know, I think
we saw something from Jalen Hurts last year.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
This same thing was going on. And then what happens.
Speaker 9 (26:49):
He goes to the Super Bowl and all of a
sudden he becomes man, He becomes Tom Brady, and the
Super Bowl wins the MVP.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
So you had a year back in the eighties, you
won a Super Bowl through twenty two picks. I have
always defended interception quarterbacks. I defend Elway, I defend Andrew Luck,
Peyton Manning. Aaron Rodgers was one of the first quarterbacks
in my life that you got all the upside and
no picks. That thing we used to I mean, at
the bottom line is throw the ball down the damn field.
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I don't like dink and dunk guys. So Donald has
Donald has nine games three plus picks. Andrew Luck had
nine games three or plus picks. It doesn't he may
never he's note as good as Luck. He may never
win a Super Bowl. But I like the fact that
Sam Tow's a horrible pick and it doesn't bother him
at all. Where are you on interceptions quarterbacks bouncing off
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mistakes because Donald had a stinker, but Andrew Luck had
ten stinkers.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, it's a lot there. You know, I'll say this
right off the stuff.
Speaker 9 (27:50):
You know, I never had the Giants in those years
when we were really win a lot thet games. They
never said, you know, Phil, you've got to be a
little more careful, you know, Parceales was not that guy.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
He would not get too angry.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
I mean, sometimes he get angry because I throw an interception,
Go Will, that might be the dumbest Playof've ever made
in my career. But otherwise what you said is true, Man,
throw it down the field. We want big plays. Big
plays win games. And then if I started checking it
down too much, he goes. He would yell at me
and go, oh, what do you worry Sims about your
completion percentage?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And you know, just go hey, I'm just trying to
move us down the field and score right right.
Speaker 9 (28:27):
So yeah, and Sam Arnold, I would just say this,
we know what happened the last two games last year
with him, and then they's playing the game he's playing
against the Rams and all that. Sometimes as a quarterback,
you're only your first and you try to.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Do this is I'm not gonna make that mistake today.
Play it careful.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
If the game is close, you're playing a really good team,
that's all right. When the time comes, there's going to
be a big play in the game where it's going
to be easy for you to make. And when you
do that, it changes the narrative everywhere. Was I going
to tell you some of those interceptions at Sam Darnold
through last week. Wow, that's all I can say. Wow,
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you know you've got to pull it back. Sometimes you
just can't. You can't swing for the damn fences every
time the balls pitched to you.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And that's kind of what Sam Darnald. He did it.
I was really surprised, but I was also really surprised
about the type of interceptions they were.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So I used to believe that you got to give
a quarterback three years, but now they have private coaching,
seven on seven summer drills. Kids throw ten thousand passes
by the time they're fourteen. So my take is not
three years, It is Thanksgiving of year two. GM coach
coordinator go upstairs, raise their hands. Do we draft again
or not? Do we extend eventually? So I have shortened
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the timeline up. So I mean Josh Rosen got thirteen starts,
Johnny Manziel got seven or eight? What do you do
with JJ McCarthy. This is a good tool belt, Phil Justin, Jefferson,
Jordan Addison, Kevin o'can great left tackle Like this is
not you know, this is not a bad franchise. This
is not what Caleb got last year in Chicago. How
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long do you give JJ McCarthy before you go upstairs?
Just sit in a room and raise your hand and say, guys,
we got to go in another direction.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
Well, you know he's going to get the rest of
the year. I watched that game this past weekend. I thought, Man,
if they had like a quality veteran backup, I think
they would have brought him in there. You know, JJ McCarthy.
You know, look, there are some things he does well.
He moves around well, he's got a strong arm. But
he's got one pitch and that one pitch is I'm
going to throw the damn thing as hard as I can,
and it doesn't matter if you're ten yards of twenty
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or forty yards. I mean, he's a I think deep
down the field, you see it. He's a pretty good thrower.
But in the NFL, the game has really played from
lists to say the line of scrimmage to fifteen yards
down the field, and you got to be a machine
hitting those plays, and I haven't seen that from JJ McCarty.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
And a lot of it. There's many things. I think
there are technique problems.
Speaker 9 (30:59):
I say, people talking about it all the time will
tell me what it really is, and they can't do that.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
But it's.
Speaker 9 (31:07):
The You've got to hit all those routine throws and
that's one of the biggest thing I think hurts him
and hurts the football team right now.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
And I'll give credit to the receivers.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
They're very good, they're successful, and they're kind of biting
their tongue and they're not getting on the quarterback yet.
But man, he's got to pick up the way he plays.
He's got to become more accurate throwing the football.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Okay, I want to ask you two questions because you
do college football stuff, and I'll get to Mendoz in
a second. I want to start with Shador Sanders. I
thought he was a at worst mid to late second
round guy. The people I trusted in the NFL said, yeah,
I mean he's mid second. They liked him as much
as Jackson Dart some more, and he drops the fifth.
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I then heard about him basically blowing the giant interview bad,
the legendary stuff all over his draft room, the speeding tickets.
Obviously some maturity issues there that I didn't know about.
He starts this weekend. Were you when you were doing
your college stuff? The last few years. Were you a
shed or fan or did he run backwards too much?
(32:14):
You know, there were signs he could be impatient. Where
were you on him coming out of college.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
Well, you know, listen the fact that I don't look
at their stats and say, oh he ran around too much.
Those are things you can really correct and very short time.
I did like him in college. Look, he looks to
me he plays really big on the field as he
take too many sacks and try to extend plays. Absolutely,
he did it last week when he came in the game.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
He did it.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
He did it in college. But what, there's many things here.
I think he'll play. Of course, I think everybody thinks
he'll play really well against the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
The Raiders the defense not that good.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Kevin Stefanski when I watched him over the years, go
back to when Joe Flackel took the team to the
playoff and all that they had one of the best,
if not the best, deep throwing offense in the NFL.
So many good designs as Stefanski's really good at. And
you know what that fits should he's another guy he
would rather he's good throwing the ball deep down the field.
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He's a good short thrower, but it's the in betweens
that you worry about. And I would be shocked. And
I said this to somebody working with you. I just said,
if he's I believe when they start the game this weekend,
he'll be about eight for ten out of the first
ten throws because they're going to give him screens, make
sure it's easy, get him involved in the game, and
then as time goes on, they'll open it up and
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give him and do what he's probably best at, and
that's getting a little more protection and throwing the football
deep down the field.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I don't know if I answered you question, that's what
I think.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, No, Fernanda Mendoza played at Cal. The kid is
supposed to be an unbelievable student. Yes, and at Indiana
and Cal. He's not playing with five star are bam
Ohio State guys. That's not what he's playing with. I
like that, by the way. I like college guys who
come out of cow NC State, yourself, smaller schools. It's
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not Georgia talent. It's like middling talents that you got
to throw open. I think he separated himself in that
Penn State drives. I watched that drive, and I thought,
on the road, big pass rush, Penn State's got elite
defensive players, and right in the teeth of it, he
just threw Sunday throw, Sunday throw, Sunday throw. I see
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potentially a really high end college kid. What do you see.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I see a.
Speaker 9 (34:41):
Really high end college kid big time, And I mean,
if you're phrasing about the pros, I think he'll be
a very successful quarterback in the pros.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I mean, he's tall.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
I did their game against Iowa, probably the worst game
of the year for him, but I didn't come away
with it going, oh my gosh, he played man. In fact,
I came away and I said, all the talents did
you want to see in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
He showed you on that field. He just makes great throws.
Speaker 9 (35:04):
He's got a very compact motion, spins the ball, can
really drive it, and he's tough as hell.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
And the other thing that really I like.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
I like these college quarterbacks that are playing somewhat of
a pro offense. Yeah, I look at you, I look
at Indiana and Man, they do the same damn thing
every week, and they might put a little dressing to
it sometimes, but I like everything about him. I think
some people worry, Oh, is it going to work? Is
he mobile enough?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (35:32):
Man, when you're a quarterback like him who's been taught
so well and has the talent, that he's going to
learn very quickly. Hey, the NFL is different, and I
think he'll be somewhat of an instant success, kind of
like Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart, I mean, he played Lane
Kiff and it's got so many pro looks to it,
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and all the experience, all those years and all those throws.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It translates to the NFL very quickly.
Speaker 9 (35:58):
It's not like Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams was always in
charge and now he's playing better. Why because Ben Johnson
is stepping on him and the offense FITCI and of
course he's learning and everything.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
So I do like Mendoza a lot, Colin.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
To answer my question, what you just said is exactly
what a top offensive coach told me this week off air.
He told me he said, Indiana runs so many he'll
be an easy quarterback to evaluate. They run so much
pro stuff that it's very obvious you'll know very he goes.
This coach said. I watched him a couple of times
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on TV. You can see they're running pro stuff. He'll
be an easy evaluation. Even Mahomes out of the Big twelve,
nobody knew if some of that stuff was gonna work.
Or like Josh Allen at Wyoming, you're like, that's bad competition.
I've been told now that he'll be an easy comp
that's a lot of Sunday stuff and you just echoed it.
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So you're seeing the same thing my guy was.
Speaker 9 (36:57):
Yeah, I you know these college quarterbacks. When I'm bored,
I try to go through all these guys and just
watch them real.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Quick and just seeing him in person and talking to him.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
I mean, he's everything you want at the professional level
and being your quarterback, the.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Guy you know. So you know, it's hard.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
On these young quarterbacks, like I've said before and probably
said to you already, and they we judge him too hard,
too fast, and you know, so we're seeing some of
these guys in the second year.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Kayleb Williams, he's the greatest example of all.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
You know, he's coached differently, different offense and fitsing, and
you know, he's got pride and he's so he shows
that in the way he's playing, and it's I'm excited
just watching seeing Ben Johnson with him and how they're
doing it.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And I know they're being tough on him and he's
he's taking it the right way and it shows on
the field as always.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Philip's great seeing you.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Is that it?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Well it was twelve minutes. That's all. That's my show.
That's a big hit it is.
Speaker 9 (37:56):
Okay, Hey, you know there's a couple of guys on
one one earlier.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Bow Knicks.
Speaker 9 (38:03):
He's a man, Okay, I mean a man, and he
does not even flinch when he's playing the game there he.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Is against Kansas City, he's looking for the kill shot.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
And of course he's coached by the guy that's right
with him, and Davis Webb's there helping the quarterbacks. I mean,
that's just one of these these young quarterback here are
a lot of talk at all bone.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Nicks, this and that.
Speaker 9 (38:26):
Yeah, he might not be at the top of his
game yet, but he's he's finding a way to get there,
and I really I love watching him play too.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
By the way, he is also aggressive. He's an aggressive
thrower of the football.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
Absolutely, he's not checked down, Charlie, Let's put it that way.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
And he did it against Kansas City.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
So you saw that he's willing to do the right
thing and take a chance and not worried about it if
he's going to be the goa to the hero, which
is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Good scene, all right, Thank you Phil.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Good seeing you. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Jay MC.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
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