November 24, 2025 • 29 mins
Pro Bowler and Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III (RG3) joins the show to break down Caleb Williams emerging as a legitimate franchise quarterback, and to preview the massive Ohio State vs. Michigan rivalry showdown
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
He can do equally well NFL discussion or college football.
He's always a treat on our show, Robert Griffin Third
RG three called b YU Cincinnati on Saturday. There's so
many topics here. Let's just get that. I mean, let's
just get it out of the way. When Tim Tebow
came into the league, I was like, come on, give
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me a break. You know. It's just it's it's fun,
it's a great story. And there's some of that with Chador.
The difference is Shador can play. Chador can make an
FL throws. My take is I think think he needs
a little bit more self awareness.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I think a little more maturity.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But he grew up. I mean he does, but he
grew up as a rich kid with his famous dad.
It's it's not it's not a normal life like the
rest of us live right. So but I will say this,
he provides something. Dylan Gabriel, in my opinion, did not
big downfield throws. That's and to me, I would just
let him run the seat. I've seen Dylan. He stabilized
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the offense.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I kind of like I'd give I'd give shit or
the season. What say you?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, I would do the same and listen I had.
I have a relationship with every quarterback that has been
there this season for the clean Browns. Joe Flack was
teammates with him in Baltimore. No Canny Pickett really really well,
no Dylan Well and no shder Well. And when you
watch the game, the Browns played with more energy, more purpose,
and more excitement than they have all season long because
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of his ability to make the extended play and with
that comes mistakes. He'd do a bad interception, but he
bounced back really well off of it. And when I
watched him playing, you saw Miles Garrett's reaction on the
sideline when he throws that deep shot Tizda bomb. They
weren't reacting like that with any other quarterback in the game.
So I think he has the pulse of the team,
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the pulse of the city and some of that self
awareness you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
He is self aware that he believes.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
He is going to be successful, so he speaks confidently,
he walks around confidently, and that is why he's not
afraid to make those types of throws deep down the field,
because he is not afraid of the potential mistakes, which
you can't say that for every other quarterback that's been
under center there.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, and there is something Robert about the locker rooms.
Like I remember talking to players who played with Michael
Vick and they were like, man, Michael made you feel
bigger and faster. Like Michael was like, you know, Michael,
in the fourth quarter, you'd play better defense because you're like,
just give Michael, just give Michael one more possession. You're
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saying that it's a real thing with certain players.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And the reason Dylan Gabriel is so beloved by coaches
is because he is going to do what you ask
him to do and he's gonna get it done right.
But coaching the difference. I always believe this, Colum. The
difference between coaching and playing is the players know how
to do it in a way that sometimes might feel unconventional.
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They never drew up that play that deep shots Isaiah
bond and said, all right, Sadar, what we want you
to do is when they pressure escape the pocket, immediately
run to your right and throw a fifty two yard
bomb down the field.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
That was not in the game plan.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Okay, But great players, guys who have a good feel
for the game, they find their ways into those types
of plays.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Even the Jerry Judy.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Pass where I don't know what he was doing with
the hop skip and a jump trying to do a
high step in the.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Middle of the field.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
But those are plays that Dylan Gabriel isn't making because
he is such like a coaching one on one type
of player. You have to live with the good and
the bad from Shadur. That screen pass for a touchdown
was exactly how they drew it up. But you got
to take those plays with.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Some of his unconventional playmaking.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
As well, because he will make the team feel bigger
and brighter about themselves.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
He the defense had ten sacks.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I think that's a byproduct if they were excited to
have Shader Sanders out there on the field with him.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
A team I think is really good is Seattle now
they didn't eat the Rams, but nobody. I mean, the
Rams haven't trailed in weeks, and the Rams don't have penalties,
they don't turn it at. Rams are playing at a
level right now. You only worry is do they peak.
JSN is about to break an all time NFL record
if he keeps it up. So I want you to
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tell me, you do college and pro what makes him
so special? If it was easy, everybody could do it.
He doesn't run a four to two five. He's not
the biggest guy. What is he doing that other receivers
who are bigger, who are faster, aren't doing.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, I think you know. I do love to quote
this because the hips don't lie. And that's what Shakira
told us, all right, And I look at JSN and
I say he's a hip connoisseur. You talk about his
ability to feel leverage and work guy's leverage against themselves.
We talked about this off air. He has a knack
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for finding open space. But I think his next level
trait is he is not worried about catching the football.
He's so confident in that regard that when the ball
is in the air, he's already thinking, how can I
make the next play. He caught that pass down the
field this past weekend, and most guys would fall as
soon as they feel contact, just to make sure they
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can secure the catch.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
He's not worried about it. You just saw it right there.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
He's catching the ball and he's like, how do I
get to the end zone? To me, his ability to
do those things is what makes him a quarterback's best friend.
He's going to be on time, he's going to be
in rhythm, he's going to be open, he's going to
use your leverage against you as a dB, and he's
going to score touchdowns when you least expect him to
score touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, So the thing with Caleb is four straight games
under sixty percent. I always feel like the bigger ceiling
you have. I don't need you to be Kirk Cousins.
If you can throw him or run like Cam don't.
I don't need sixty eight. If you're Drew Brees, I
don't get the deep ball. If you're Kirk Cousins, I
don't get the movement. So Caleb hit sixty one and
a half percent and I got the big plays.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I'm good with it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He does miss stuff, Let me ask you is accuracy?
How correctable is it? Some things? Some guys in the NBA,
John Morant was a never a great shooter. Russell Westbrook,
it's worked his tailoff. He's not, but right like, some
things are correctible and some guys are never great shooters.
When you look at Caleb's accuracy issues, can we just
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say he.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Listen, don't worry about it. You're getting so much upside.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
If you gets sixty one percent, that's gravy on top
of everything else.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
How do you view that?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I view it as I'm gonna say this and pem
not love it.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
But accuracy a myth?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
All right?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
If I you just saw that ball he threw behind
the tight end. But if he throws that and puts
that ball in the right place, the right place might
be on the guy's shoelaces.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
The right place might be his back shoulder.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
When he's running full speed, to in his front shoulder being.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
The right side of his body.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Accuracy to me is always dependent upon where the defense
is and what you're trying to get the receiver to do.
So where I think his sixty one percent completion percentage
comes from is more so the fact that he is
willing to take more chances to have big plays occur,
which drives down his completion percentage. Do you want a
guy that's going to be a checkdown Charlie. Do you
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want a guy that is not going to take those
risks deep down the field because he's afraid to make mistakes.
I don't think that's who Caleb Williams is. I think
he's aggressive by nature, and what Ben Johnson has been
able to accomplish with him is eliminate those negative plays
that I heard you talking about earlier on this show.
I think their relationship is perfect because what Caleb gives him.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
You mentioned this about Jared Golf. Jared, if it's there
and you scheme it up, he's gonna hit it.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Caleb gives you the ability that when you get into
the playoffs, it's no longer about just the exes and
the ods.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
It's about the Jimmies and the Joe's.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And Caleb Williams is one of those Jimmies and Joe's
that is going to make a play that is going
to make your jaw hit the ground. And you need
that at the quarterback position. And I think they just
have that perfect match of Okay, let me get into
my WUSA moments and make sure I do what I
need to do and then when it's time to be superman,
Caleb Williams can do that as well.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
All Right, a couple of college questions.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Because you're so good at this, I said, I said,
if you don't have regulations, then aggressive people on Wall Street,
in Silicon Valley or in college football are going to
be aggressive.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
In the NFL, I can't.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Go poach Andy Reider, Sean Payton weaky, but in coverage
in college I can.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And LSU didn't give a rip about Old Miss.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So if you don't have if you don't have stipulations,
regulations or roadblocks, well I'm just gonna go buy your coach.
I don't blame the individual, I blame the sport or
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Is their loyalty? Am I being? You know? I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't want to be Pollyanna about it, but it's
like I I just think in life, smart aggressive people,
if you don't have regulations are going to be aggressive.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And I'm not gonna blame Lane. How do you view it?
Speaker 5 (09:32):
No, I think you're one hundred percent right there, Colin.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It's loyalty comes into effect in college football when the
price is similar. Okay, if all Miss is coming to
Lane Kiffin saying, hey, you've done a great job here,
You've built this program. Back up, We're a national title
contender year after year now with you being at the Helm,
and we're going to offer you eighty five million dollars
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to be our coach, well, then I think Lane Kiffin
would be an idiot to even go to LSU or
go to Florida. But if they're saying, hey, here's ninety
million dollars over here at another school and the school
you're currently at is going to give you sixty, yeah,
there's no loyalty there. And I think anyone that is
claiming that they would take the sixty over the ninety
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is lying to you and you should never trust them
in anything. So I understand what Lane Kiffin's history that
people say, oh, well he's done this, he did this
with the Raiders, he did that over at Alabama, did
this at Tennessee, at USC whatever it may be. But
in this situation, if ole Miss isn't going to match
with the other schools are willing to pay him, or
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at least get close within a couple million, then he
should leave and he would be right to do that
by his family, because although it might be more risky
to go to LSU and more risky to potentially go
to Florida, if they're going to pay him significantly more,
he knows, Hey, man, if they fired me in four
years because of the buyouts, I'm going to the bank
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with ninety million dollars, I might never have to coach
ever again in my life life, and I can take
care of my family.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
So I think that part of it. He is a
human being.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
He has a family to take care of, and he
has to look out in the best interests of his family,
especially when the dollars don't match.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
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Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay, finally, it's not that USC lost. Winning at Otson
is really hard. Buckeye's lost there last year. After the loss,
Lincoln Riley says, Oh, we're close, and I'm like timeout,
twenty seven carries fifty two yards. If Kirby's smart had
a team that ran for fifty two yards on twenty
seven carries, he would be furious. He would be outraged.
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I mean, it would be laps on the track after
the game. And my take is this whole thing about
we're close. You got whacked at Notre Dame, you got
whacked at Oregon, I mean a couple of years ago,
whacked at Michigan.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You gotta beat Illinois.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I think it's the mindset four years in in big
games against the best teams, Penn State, doesn't matter where
it's at Notre Dame, Michigan. Last year, Illinois Oregon. You
can't make stops and your special teams are a wreck.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I mean that it's not.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
That you lose or Oregon didn't play well. Hey mean,
Oregon had it in the first happening like seven penalties,
Oregon was missing three receivers. I just think to myself,
nobody wants to hear that. You gotta understand. This is
when Pete was here. There was no NFL. It was
next to the Lakers. It's the biggest show in town.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So how what do you take from well, we're close,
How does that land for you?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Well, conn I do.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I do think they are close.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
And the thing is what you just brought up is
probably the thing that's weighing heaviest.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
On Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
They brought him in to bring back the show, and
in order for the show to really be there, you
have to win the big games on the field. No
one cares if you beat Northwestern, right, they care if
you can beat Oregon. And I think what this team
has been going through over the last couple of seasons
is adjusting to playing in the Big Ten. Even though
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I know Oregon is an old Pac twelve opponent and
an old Pac twelve rivalry, They're adjusting their style of
play to having to play against the bigger, medior offense
and defensive lines that they're facing in the Big Ten.
And when I say, yes, they are close, they have
the quarterback. They're down there starting two running backs. King
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Miller is a great story, but he wasn't their starter
going into the season for a reason. It's because way Moo,
Jordan and Sanders and Elis Sanders were better running backs.
So I don't look at this to make excuses for Lincoln.
I do think Lincoln Riley is a great coach. I
think that him leaving Oklahoma the way that he did
rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and I
think he is feeling that pressure knowing that he's on
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a ten year deal and they haven't gotten to where
they need to be quite yet. I do think they
get there. I think his answers in the media are
to not add more pressure and more backlash to what
he's already receiving from the media itself. So he has
to be confident and he has to say I think
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we're close.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Otherwise, if he gives up.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Then everyone's really gonna start calling for him to get fired,
more so than they already are.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I know nobody wants to throw it out there. I
think Ohio State's gonna bury Michigan this weekend in an arbory.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I think they're buryal You think they're going to bury him.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I think this defense you have to go back about,
maybe the Jalen Carter Georgia defense. Maybe want of knicks.
I'm telling you, linebacker secondary, the windows are tiny.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
It's a freshman quarterback. I'm with you, and I like him.
He is nineteen.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I can't say I'm with you that they're gonna bury them.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I do think the fact that Michigan is one of
the last four meetings does mean something. I think when
you have this rivalry, the records go out the window,
and there's two big factors. One how healthy is Jeremiah
Smith and Carnell Take going to be if they play
in this game, Because if they don't play, I think
that's not just a big factor, it's also gonna hurt
the defense because this defense is extremely talented. But the
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one thing you can never truly account for is Underwood
and his ability to make extended plays. Every defensive coordinator
when they face a guy that can make plays with
his arm and his legs, stay up all night about it.
So that to me are the two biggest factors. How
are they going to keep him bottled up? And then
are they going to have their full arsenal weapons on
the offensive side. This is a really great game to
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watch because of the magnitude of it, and I believe
this Colin. If Michigan beats Ohio State, I think the
Big Ten gets four teams, four teams into the college
football Playoff. Who I know, that's the one way in
the show is.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You're saying it like you gave it a big old possibility,
that it's always a possibility.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
And listen, I got no bias, I got no dog
in the fight when it comes to who who are
you more loyal to Ohio State or Michigan. I just
know that this game means everything. And we've seen Michigan
beat Ohio State when they weren't very good. So now
Michigan has clawed their way back into the at least
somewhat of a conversation of having a chance to make
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the College Fotball Playoff. This is their super Bowl, and
if they win it, I think they get in.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Robert always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Appreciate you, brother.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
He's so good on that stuff. Can go NFL, go college.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
The JSN stuff is it's just crazy. The wide receiver
can end with like twenty one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And it all.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I do think it helps that Darnld loves to throw
the ball down the field. He has taken big swings
and he's a great not only is a great route runner.
Underneath he can get deep on people. So show us
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I was gonna call management cut him back an hour
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Speaker 1 (18:09):
I was watching the Rams last night. You have to
have a multifaceted approach to build a roster. They went
and got Nate Landman from Atlanta a one year deal
for a nickel. The guy's a pro bowler. I mean,
the guy's playing out of his mind. They go get
Davonte Adams. They're paying him less than Calvin Ridley makes
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unstoppable like the number one red zone threat in the
league right now. And Emmanuel Forbes. They got him off waivers.
I think from Washington he may be their best corner.
I mean, you have got if you're gonna pay Stafford
and you're gonna you know, you pay Rob Havenstein, and
you're gonna pay you know, your tight end, your top
tight end.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And I mean they they they have done such a
good job with a cap. They are a stacked roster.
They got a manual Forbes off waivers.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
For a nickel and these guys, I mean, I mean Davante,
I'm shocked though. In the bidding war, he's unstoppable. He
looks like the Aaron Devonte prime Green Bay. And then
they've hit on like seven of their last eight, uh,
defensive picks.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
That is so miss on defense. They are right now.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Devonte Adams leaves the NFL in receiving touchdowns and he's
playing on the other side from Pooka with a real
run game.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
It's not like he's the only option. So you watch
him last.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
We always talk about Philadelphia's roster, Emmanuel Forbes, Nate Lammon,
Davonte Adams took a good roster and added jet.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Fuel to it. It is a great roster. J Mack
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Speaker 8 (19:50):
You know, we haven't talked about the Jets. Ravens thriller
Baltimore was down bad at halftime Colins. They had three points.
The offense could do nothing. The Jets defense, which lost
auts Pardner and Quinnin Williams, largely locked up Baltimore. Now
the Ravens got going in the second half, but Colin.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Lamar did not look particularly sharp thirteen of twenty three
for a buck fifty three.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He's not healthy. Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's healthy.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Anyways.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Here here's Lamar talking about this offense's struggles against the Jets.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I feel I would just need to execute, you know,
a lot better. We getting a great field position, but
we're not pump USTs on the board. You know, they
have nothing to doing. No injury on my desk, So
I feel like I should still be able to.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Do what I do.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
He were saying, you don't think he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Humh, No, I just he's not as elusive. I don't
think he's totally healthy. I watched that game. That was
a corner TV game, But I will say this, I
don't know their offense has no rhythm. I don't know
what their offense is.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
It was a lot of Lamar running around and throwing
it up and I would say vomiting it up. It's
not like he was accurate. He had seven carries for
eleven yards against the Jets.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It's not good.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Something's going on now, quick news. They will face Cincinnati
Thanksgiving night. Joe Burrow it's been announced he's gonna play,
barring some unbelievable setback, but he, Joe Burrow is gonna
go against Lamar and in a game that doesn't mean
much because the Bengals are.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Toast for the season.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
But if you know, if Pittsburgh wins, they get right
back in the mix to win the division.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
Everybody thinks it's gonna be the Ravens.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Now.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
I got to see more from that offense, Colin I
don't even know that they're like a dangerous team in
the postseason based on what I've seen with Lamar getting back.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
Do you think they're dangerous or no?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
No, I mean right now, they're not.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
They are I mean explosive Raven teams have struggled in
the playoffs. This doesn't even this isn't even mit forget explosive.
Right now, they don't have an identity. They're not as elusive.
It's just it's a They're a hard watch they.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Can flip the switch at any moment, though, once Lamar
starts getting into high gear, we'll see if that happens.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Next up Drake May and the Patriots.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
I would go off on Vrabel costing me money because
of his inability to call play inside the five yard line.
Colin New England did not look good and they had
to pick six. They do get to win twenty six
twenty Is this playing down to your competition or what?
Because they did not look good at all?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, I mean you're not going to play Listen, they
had been on a streak for two months. They're still young.
Yeah so, I mean you go on the road in
the NFL, you got four or five guys missing on
one side of the ball. Your offensive line had a
couple of guys carted off. They did, the entire left
side of the line was started off.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah. So it's like, I mean, I just think you won.
I don't care what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You know, in September October, it's just easier to play football.
Your rosters full, and the weather's great, and people haven't
seen all your fun stuff. And then everybody's seen your stuff.
You're missing four starters Bears yesterday missed the entire linebacking court.
Now is when you see where coaching comes into play.
I mean, one of the reasons the ram are so
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good right now. They're healthy and you know people are missing.
A lot of teams are missing eight to nine star Well,
I guess the Rams are missing a tight end, but
they've got three good ones behind it, so it's a
win to win. allD lines beat up, they're fine. Well,
I'll just say this.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
They had seven plays in the game from the one
yard line. Do you know how many times they scored
a touchdown on them? Zero?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Colin?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
That is troubling.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
Josh McDaniel says, he's been around the block.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Do you're telling me he had no good plays at
the one yard line? That is a little troublesome for me.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Stevenson, I don't know that they can trust that guy
in a big playoffs.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
But I'll just say this, hopefully they get.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
To buy because I don't even know that they're a
lock to win one playoff game.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Coling, we'll see.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
I mean, I like me as much as the next guy,
but yeah, we'll see final stories. The Detroit Lions, their
offense was not great. The interior offensive line just crumbling
against the g Men, but Jamier gives save their bacon
two hundred and nineteen yards on the ground plus another
forty five through the air.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
He looked like a.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
Blur on the turf indoors the Monster game, first line
to rush for over two hundred yards. Since Barry Sanders
Lions did need overtime did not cover. They should have
lost this game. The New York Giants cannot do anything
when it had.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
The Giants fired their defensive coordinator and should have. I mean,
you know, and I could be wrong. Just off the
top of my head, I think the Giants have led
five games in the.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Fourth quarter, at least four. I don't know about five,
but no.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I mean they cannot make stops.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It was if you're gonna judge Mike Kafka, you can't
do it on wins and losses, because I if you're
considering him, I'm gonna do it on overall performance. I
thought the Giants played their butt off. They don't have Dart,
they don't have Scataboo, they don't have Molikue neighbors. I
thought the Giants played their tail off. Listen, Mike Kafka,
I would almost count.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
That as a win. He did his job.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
The offense was excellent, the effort was amazing, the passion
was I mean even the trick played at Jamis.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
I well, oh here the kafka A lot of credit.
Jameis Winston played out of his mind. Colin, here's my thing.
How did Brian Dabole look at Winston, Dart and Russell
Wilson and start Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
To begin the season.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
James Winston looks better than Rusted At any point this season.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Winston was out there balling.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
I was stunned. I can't.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
I mean, honestly, I don't want to go overboard on
one game. But did Jamis not to you look like
somebody who could compete for a starting spot on one
of these bad teams?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well? Yeah, I mean there are quarterbacks that I'll build around,
and there are quarterbacks for a year I would start
bridge guy. Yeah, I think Jamis is a clear bridge quarterback.
But he's always been productive. It's not a matter of
size arm. He likes to throw the ball down the field.
He's not a Dan dunk guy, and he's kind of
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a joyful human being, Like he's not gonna have a
huge ego, A little goofy. But whatever, he's gonna have
a good broadcasting career. He's full of you know, you know,
he's full of personality. But here to Giants have blown
six fourth quarter leads. Five in the fourth quarter they
had a lead of ten plus points, so.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
That's why they fired.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
So who's that on that? I mean, it can't all
be on table now he got Katska doing it.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
No, it's the DC.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
You just got camped J Mack with the news. Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the lie.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I want to play a Miles Garrett comment here in
a second. You know I said this before. When when
when Tim Tebow went on a winning streak. I mean,
Saturday Night Live literally did a bit on it. It
was Matt Prater's kicks in the Great defense. He'd be
terrible for three and a half quarters. His team would trail,
but they were within reach because the Broncos defense and
kicking game was so good. But there was a fanaticism.
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There was that conspiracy theory. Nobody likes it. It was
all nonsense. The difference is Shador can make NFL big
Boy Dannfield throws consistently. I think I was as shocked
as anybody that he fell to the fifth round. But
what I watched yesterday, to be honest, it felt a
little like Colorado is that he has bad throws in
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a terrible pick. He missed people badly. But he you know,
he he doesn't lack confidence. He'll throw the ball down
the field. And Miles Garrett on one of his bigger throws, I.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Mean, he put it up and I'm just like, oh God,
who is I even going to and he drops it
in the bucket and I'm just like wow that There's
not many guys in lead that can make that throw.
So does a hell of a throw. No, I hope
he can con see to no grow and develop, you
know from making plays like that, and uh, they'll take
it from there.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And that three throws twenty five yards or more downfield. Okay,
that's one more than Dylan Gabriel had thrown all year.
I thought RG three nailed it. Coaches love Dylan Gabriel.
He'll settle the offense, he'll complete the pass, He'll do
what's drawn up shoulder like Caleb, though without Caleb's horsepower,
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Shade are sometime going to do his own thing. But
you're gonna take big swings and you go strike out
more big swings. And there are certain coaches, certain offensive
coaches well and defensive coaches. They didn't want you going
too much off script, and so they're you know, coaches
like I mean, I think Kevin Stefanski says, our defense
is really good, don't turn the ball over, and we
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can beat Green Bay, and they did. So Shaduur is
not always going to be a coaches because Shadur will
add lib but he doesn't have the Steve Young, the far,
the Caleb, the cam, the ability to make place.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
He's a decent athlete, not a great athlete.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
But here was Stefanski announcing earlier today Shadoor is the
official starting quarterback going forward.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Shador will start this week. Obviously. You know number one job.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
At quarterback is to win, so excited to get that
first win under his belt. And then next thing is
improvement and that's what young players do, certainly young quarterbacks
do you get one game better and that's just from
from working at it.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And all you Browns fans that are critical of Stefanski.
If he got fired, he would be out of work
for five minutes. Five minutes Stefanski would have hired by
the time Jimmy Haslam said you're fired. He wouldn't have
fired finished and Stefanski'd have a job. So the guy
knows what he's DoD. I thought the game plan yesterday,
(29:30):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
He can do equally well NFL discussion or college football.
He's always a treat on our show, Robert Griffin Third
RG three called b YU Cincinnati on Saturday. There's so
many topics here. Let's just get that. I mean, let's
just get it out of the way. When Tim Tebow
came into the league, I was like, come on, give
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me a break. You know. It's just it's it's fun,
it's a great story. And there's some of that with Chador.
The difference is Shador can play. Chador can make an
FL throws. My take is I think think he needs
a little bit more self awareness.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I think a little more maturity.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But he grew up. I mean he does, but he
grew up as a rich kid with his famous dad.
It's it's not it's not a normal life like the
rest of us live right. So but I will say this,
he provides something. Dylan Gabriel, in my opinion, did not
big downfield throws. That's and to me, I would just
let him run the seat. I've seen Dylan. He stabilized
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the offense.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I kind of like I'd give I'd give shit or
the season. What say you?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, I would do the same and listen I had.
I have a relationship with every quarterback that has been
there this season for the clean Browns. Joe Flack was
teammates with him in Baltimore. No Canny Pickett really really well,
no Dylan Well and no shder Well. And when you
watch the game, the Browns played with more energy, more purpose,
and more excitement than they have all season long because
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of his ability to make the extended play and with
that comes mistakes. He'd do a bad interception, but he
bounced back really well off of it. And when I
watched him playing, you saw Miles Garrett's reaction on the
sideline when he throws that deep shot Tizda bomb. They
weren't reacting like that with any other quarterback in the game.
So I think he has the pulse of the team,
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the pulse of the city and some of that self
awareness you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
He is self aware that he believes.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
He is going to be successful, so he speaks confidently,
he walks around confidently, and that is why he's not
afraid to make those types of throws deep down the field,
because he is not afraid of the potential mistakes, which
you can't say that for every other quarterback that's been
under center there.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, and there is something Robert about the locker rooms.
Like I remember talking to players who played with Michael
Vick and they were like, man, Michael made you feel
bigger and faster. Like Michael was like, you know, Michael,
in the fourth quarter, you'd play better defense because you're like,
just give Michael, just give Michael one more possession. You're
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saying that it's a real thing with certain players.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And the reason Dylan Gabriel is so beloved by coaches
is because he is going to do what you ask
him to do and he's gonna get it done right.
But coaching the difference. I always believe this, Colum. The
difference between coaching and playing is the players know how
to do it in a way that sometimes might feel unconventional.
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They never drew up that play that deep shots Isaiah
bond and said, all right, Sadar, what we want you
to do is when they pressure escape the pocket, immediately
run to your right and throw a fifty two yard
bomb down the field.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
That was not in the game plan.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Okay, But great players, guys who have a good feel
for the game, they find their ways into those types
of plays.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Even the Jerry Judy.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Pass where I don't know what he was doing with
the hop skip and a jump trying to do a
high step in the.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Middle of the field.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
But those are plays that Dylan Gabriel isn't making because
he is such like a coaching one on one type
of player. You have to live with the good and
the bad from Shadur. That screen pass for a touchdown
was exactly how they drew it up. But you got
to take those plays with.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Some of his unconventional playmaking.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
As well, because he will make the team feel bigger
and brighter about themselves.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
He the defense had ten sacks.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I think that's a byproduct if they were excited to
have Shader Sanders out there on the field with him.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
A team I think is really good is Seattle now
they didn't eat the Rams, but nobody. I mean, the
Rams haven't trailed in weeks, and the Rams don't have penalties,
they don't turn it at. Rams are playing at a
level right now. You only worry is do they peak.
JSN is about to break an all time NFL record
if he keeps it up. So I want you to
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tell me, you do college and pro what makes him
so special? If it was easy, everybody could do it.
He doesn't run a four to two five. He's not
the biggest guy. What is he doing that other receivers
who are bigger, who are faster, aren't doing.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, I think you know. I do love to quote
this because the hips don't lie. And that's what Shakira
told us, all right, And I look at JSN and
I say he's a hip connoisseur. You talk about his
ability to feel leverage and work guy's leverage against themselves.
We talked about this off air. He has a knack
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for finding open space. But I think his next level
trait is he is not worried about catching the football.
He's so confident in that regard that when the ball
is in the air, he's already thinking, how can I
make the next play. He caught that pass down the
field this past weekend, and most guys would fall as
soon as they feel contact, just to make sure they
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can secure the catch.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
He's not worried about it. You just saw it right there.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
He's catching the ball and he's like, how do I
get to the end zone? To me, his ability to
do those things is what makes him a quarterback's best friend.
He's going to be on time, he's going to be
in rhythm, he's going to be open, he's going to
use your leverage against you as a dB, and he's
going to score touchdowns when you least expect him to
score touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, So the thing with Caleb is four straight games
under sixty percent. I always feel like the bigger ceiling
you have. I don't need you to be Kirk Cousins.
If you can throw him or run like Cam don't.
I don't need sixty eight. If you're Drew Brees, I
don't get the deep ball. If you're Kirk Cousins, I
don't get the movement. So Caleb hit sixty one and
a half percent and I got the big plays.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I'm good with it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He does miss stuff, Let me ask you is accuracy?
How correctable is it? Some things? Some guys in the NBA,
John Morant was a never a great shooter. Russell Westbrook,
it's worked his tailoff. He's not, but right like, some
things are correctible and some guys are never great shooters.
When you look at Caleb's accuracy issues, can we just
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say he.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Listen, don't worry about it. You're getting so much upside.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
If you gets sixty one percent, that's gravy on top
of everything else.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
How do you view that?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I view it as I'm gonna say this and pem
not love it.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
But accuracy a myth?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
All right?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
If I you just saw that ball he threw behind
the tight end. But if he throws that and puts
that ball in the right place, the right place might
be on the guy's shoelaces.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
The right place might be his back shoulder.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
When he's running full speed, to in his front shoulder being.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
The right side of his body.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Accuracy to me is always dependent upon where the defense
is and what you're trying to get the receiver to do.
So where I think his sixty one percent completion percentage
comes from is more so the fact that he is
willing to take more chances to have big plays occur,
which drives down his completion percentage. Do you want a
guy that's going to be a checkdown Charlie. Do you
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want a guy that is not going to take those
risks deep down the field because he's afraid to make mistakes.
I don't think that's who Caleb Williams is. I think
he's aggressive by nature, and what Ben Johnson has been
able to accomplish with him is eliminate those negative plays
that I heard you talking about earlier on this show.
I think their relationship is perfect because what Caleb gives him.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
You mentioned this about Jared Golf. Jared, if it's there
and you scheme it up, he's gonna hit it.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Caleb gives you the ability that when you get into
the playoffs, it's no longer about just the exes and
the ods.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
It's about the Jimmies and the Joe's.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And Caleb Williams is one of those Jimmies and Joe's
that is going to make a play that is going
to make your jaw hit the ground. And you need
that at the quarterback position. And I think they just
have that perfect match of Okay, let me get into
my WUSA moments and make sure I do what I
need to do and then when it's time to be superman,
Caleb Williams can do that as well.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
All Right, a couple of college questions.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Because you're so good at this, I said, I said,
if you don't have regulations, then aggressive people on Wall Street,
in Silicon Valley or in college football are going to
be aggressive.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
In the NFL, I can't.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Go poach Andy Reider, Sean Payton weaky, but in coverage
in college I can.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And LSU didn't give a rip about Old Miss.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So if you don't have if you don't have stipulations,
regulations or roadblocks, well I'm just gonna go buy your coach.
I don't blame the individual, I blame the sport or
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Is their loyalty? Am I being? You know? I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't want to be Pollyanna about it, but it's
like I I just think in life, smart aggressive people,
if you don't have regulations are going to be aggressive.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And I'm not gonna blame Lane. How do you view it?
Speaker 5 (09:32):
No, I think you're one hundred percent right there, Colin.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It's loyalty comes into effect in college football when the
price is similar. Okay, if all Miss is coming to
Lane Kiffin saying, hey, you've done a great job here,
You've built this program. Back up, We're a national title
contender year after year now with you being at the Helm,
and we're going to offer you eighty five million dollars
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to be our coach, well, then I think Lane Kiffin
would be an idiot to even go to LSU or
go to Florida. But if they're saying, hey, here's ninety
million dollars over here at another school and the school
you're currently at is going to give you sixty, yeah,
there's no loyalty there. And I think anyone that is
claiming that they would take the sixty over the ninety
(10:16):
is lying to you and you should never trust them
in anything. So I understand what Lane Kiffin's history that
people say, oh, well he's done this, he did this
with the Raiders, he did that over at Alabama, did
this at Tennessee, at USC whatever it may be. But
in this situation, if ole Miss isn't going to match
with the other schools are willing to pay him, or
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at least get close within a couple million, then he
should leave and he would be right to do that
by his family, because although it might be more risky
to go to LSU and more risky to potentially go
to Florida, if they're going to pay him significantly more,
he knows, Hey, man, if they fired me in four
years because of the buyouts, I'm going to the bank
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with ninety million dollars, I might never have to coach
ever again in my life life, and I can take
care of my family.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
So I think that part of it. He is a
human being.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
He has a family to take care of, and he
has to look out in the best interests of his family,
especially when the dollars don't match.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
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Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay, finally, it's not that USC lost. Winning at Otson
is really hard. Buckeye's lost there last year. After the loss,
Lincoln Riley says, Oh, we're close, and I'm like timeout,
twenty seven carries fifty two yards. If Kirby's smart had
a team that ran for fifty two yards on twenty
seven carries, he would be furious. He would be outraged.
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I mean, it would be laps on the track after
the game. And my take is this whole thing about
we're close. You got whacked at Notre Dame, you got
whacked at Oregon, I mean a couple of years ago,
whacked at Michigan.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You gotta beat Illinois.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I think it's the mindset four years in in big
games against the best teams, Penn State, doesn't matter where
it's at Notre Dame, Michigan. Last year, Illinois Oregon. You
can't make stops and your special teams are a wreck.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I mean that it's not.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
That you lose or Oregon didn't play well. Hey mean,
Oregon had it in the first happening like seven penalties,
Oregon was missing three receivers. I just think to myself,
nobody wants to hear that. You gotta understand. This is
when Pete was here. There was no NFL. It was
next to the Lakers. It's the biggest show in town.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So how what do you take from well, we're close,
How does that land for you?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Well, conn I do.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I do think they are close.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
And the thing is what you just brought up is
probably the thing that's weighing heaviest.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
On Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
They brought him in to bring back the show, and
in order for the show to really be there, you
have to win the big games on the field. No
one cares if you beat Northwestern, right, they care if
you can beat Oregon. And I think what this team
has been going through over the last couple of seasons
is adjusting to playing in the Big Ten. Even though
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I know Oregon is an old Pac twelve opponent and
an old Pac twelve rivalry, They're adjusting their style of
play to having to play against the bigger, medior offense
and defensive lines that they're facing in the Big Ten.
And when I say, yes, they are close, they have
the quarterback. They're down there starting two running backs. King
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Miller is a great story, but he wasn't their starter
going into the season for a reason. It's because way Moo,
Jordan and Sanders and Elis Sanders were better running backs.
So I don't look at this to make excuses for Lincoln.
I do think Lincoln Riley is a great coach. I
think that him leaving Oklahoma the way that he did
rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and I
think he is feeling that pressure knowing that he's on
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a ten year deal and they haven't gotten to where
they need to be quite yet. I do think they
get there. I think his answers in the media are
to not add more pressure and more backlash to what
he's already receiving from the media itself. So he has
to be confident and he has to say I think
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we're close.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Otherwise, if he gives up.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Then everyone's really gonna start calling for him to get fired,
more so than they already are.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I know nobody wants to throw it out there. I
think Ohio State's gonna bury Michigan this weekend in an arbory.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I think they're buryal You think they're going to bury him.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I think this defense you have to go back about,
maybe the Jalen Carter Georgia defense. Maybe want of knicks.
I'm telling you, linebacker secondary, the windows are tiny.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
It's a freshman quarterback. I'm with you, and I like him.
He is nineteen.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I can't say I'm with you that they're gonna bury them.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I do think the fact that Michigan is one of
the last four meetings does mean something. I think when
you have this rivalry, the records go out the window,
and there's two big factors. One how healthy is Jeremiah
Smith and Carnell Take going to be if they play
in this game, Because if they don't play, I think
that's not just a big factor, it's also gonna hurt
the defense because this defense is extremely talented. But the
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one thing you can never truly account for is Underwood
and his ability to make extended plays. Every defensive coordinator
when they face a guy that can make plays with
his arm and his legs, stay up all night about it.
So that to me are the two biggest factors. How
are they going to keep him bottled up? And then
are they going to have their full arsenal weapons on
the offensive side. This is a really great game to
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watch because of the magnitude of it, and I believe
this Colin. If Michigan beats Ohio State, I think the
Big Ten gets four teams, four teams into the college
football Playoff. Who I know, that's the one way in
the show is.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You're saying it like you gave it a big old possibility,
that it's always a possibility.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
And listen, I got no bias, I got no dog
in the fight when it comes to who who are
you more loyal to Ohio State or Michigan. I just
know that this game means everything. And we've seen Michigan
beat Ohio State when they weren't very good. So now
Michigan has clawed their way back into the at least
somewhat of a conversation of having a chance to make
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the College Fotball Playoff. This is their super Bowl, and
if they win it, I think they get in.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Robert always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Appreciate you, brother.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
He's so good on that stuff. Can go NFL, go college.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
The JSN stuff is it's just crazy. The wide receiver
can end with like twenty one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And it all.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I do think it helps that Darnld loves to throw
the ball down the field. He has taken big swings
and he's a great not only is a great route runner.
Underneath he can get deep on people. So show us
flying by. I'm gonna give Nick Wright three hours today.
I was gonna call management cut him back an hour
(17:18):
because we've got a lot of stuff. But today I'll
give him three Tomorrow it's anybody's guests, it's the Hurt.
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Speaker 1 (18:09):
I was watching the Rams last night. You have to
have a multifaceted approach to build a roster. They went
and got Nate Landman from Atlanta a one year deal
for a nickel. The guy's a pro bowler. I mean,
the guy's playing out of his mind. They go get
Davonte Adams. They're paying him less than Calvin Ridley makes
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unstoppable like the number one red zone threat in the
league right now. And Emmanuel Forbes. They got him off waivers.
I think from Washington he may be their best corner.
I mean, you have got if you're gonna pay Stafford
and you're gonna you know, you pay Rob Havenstein, and
you're gonna pay you know, your tight end, your top
tight end.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And I mean they they they have done such a
good job with a cap. They are a stacked roster.
They got a manual Forbes off waivers.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
For a nickel and these guys, I mean, I mean Davante,
I'm shocked though. In the bidding war, he's unstoppable. He
looks like the Aaron Devonte prime Green Bay. And then
they've hit on like seven of their last eight, uh,
defensive picks.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
That is so miss on defense. They are right now.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Devonte Adams leaves the NFL in receiving touchdowns and he's
playing on the other side from Pooka with a real
run game.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
It's not like he's the only option. So you watch
him last.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
We always talk about Philadelphia's roster, Emmanuel Forbes, Nate Lammon,
Davonte Adams took a good roster and added jet.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Fuel to it. It is a great roster. J Mack
with the News, No, no, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
You know, we haven't talked about the Jets. Ravens thriller
Baltimore was down bad at halftime Colins. They had three points.
The offense could do nothing. The Jets defense, which lost
auts Pardner and Quinnin Williams, largely locked up Baltimore. Now
the Ravens got going in the second half, but Colin.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Lamar did not look particularly sharp thirteen of twenty three
for a buck fifty three.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He's not healthy. Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's healthy.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Anyways.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Here here's Lamar talking about this offense's struggles against the Jets.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I feel I would just need to execute, you know,
a lot better. We getting a great field position, but
we're not pump USTs on the board. You know, they
have nothing to doing. No injury on my desk, So
I feel like I should still be able to.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Do what I do.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
He were saying, you don't think he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Humh, No, I just he's not as elusive. I don't
think he's totally healthy. I watched that game. That was
a corner TV game, But I will say this, I
don't know their offense has no rhythm. I don't know
what their offense is.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
It was a lot of Lamar running around and throwing
it up and I would say vomiting it up. It's
not like he was accurate. He had seven carries for
eleven yards against the Jets.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It's not good.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Something's going on now, quick news. They will face Cincinnati
Thanksgiving night. Joe Burrow it's been announced he's gonna play,
barring some unbelievable setback, but he, Joe Burrow is gonna
go against Lamar and in a game that doesn't mean
much because the Bengals are.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Toast for the season.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
But if you know, if Pittsburgh wins, they get right
back in the mix to win the division.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
Everybody thinks it's gonna be the Ravens.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Now.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
I got to see more from that offense, Colin I
don't even know that they're like a dangerous team in
the postseason based on what I've seen with Lamar getting back.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
Do you think they're dangerous or no?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
No, I mean right now, they're not.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
They are I mean explosive Raven teams have struggled in
the playoffs. This doesn't even this isn't even mit forget explosive.
Right now, they don't have an identity. They're not as elusive.
It's just it's a They're a hard watch they.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Can flip the switch at any moment, though, once Lamar
starts getting into high gear, we'll see if that happens.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Next up Drake May and the Patriots.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
I would go off on Vrabel costing me money because
of his inability to call play inside the five yard line.
Colin New England did not look good and they had
to pick six. They do get to win twenty six
twenty Is this playing down to your competition or what?
Because they did not look good at all?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, I mean you're not going to play Listen, they
had been on a streak for two months. They're still young.
Yeah so, I mean you go on the road in
the NFL, you got four or five guys missing on
one side of the ball. Your offensive line had a
couple of guys carted off. They did, the entire left
side of the line was started off.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah. So it's like, I mean, I just think you won.
I don't care what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You know, in September October, it's just easier to play football.
Your rosters full, and the weather's great, and people haven't
seen all your fun stuff. And then everybody's seen your stuff.
You're missing four starters Bears yesterday missed the entire linebacking court.
Now is when you see where coaching comes into play.
I mean, one of the reasons the ram are so
(23:00):
good right now. They're healthy and you know people are missing.
A lot of teams are missing eight to nine star Well,
I guess the Rams are missing a tight end, but
they've got three good ones behind it, so it's a
win to win. allD lines beat up, they're fine. Well,
I'll just say this.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
They had seven plays in the game from the one
yard line. Do you know how many times they scored
a touchdown on them? Zero?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Colin?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
That is troubling.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
Josh McDaniel says, he's been around the block.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Do you're telling me he had no good plays at
the one yard line? That is a little troublesome for me.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Stevenson, I don't know that they can trust that guy
in a big playoffs.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
But I'll just say this, hopefully they get.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
To buy because I don't even know that they're a
lock to win one playoff game.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Coling, we'll see.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
I mean, I like me as much as the next guy,
but yeah, we'll see final stories. The Detroit Lions, their
offense was not great. The interior offensive line just crumbling
against the g Men, but Jamier gives save their bacon
two hundred and nineteen yards on the ground plus another
forty five through the air.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
He looked like a.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
Blur on the turf indoors the Monster game, first line
to rush for over two hundred yards. Since Barry Sanders
Lions did need overtime did not cover. They should have
lost this game. The New York Giants cannot do anything
when it had.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
The Giants fired their defensive coordinator and should have. I mean,
you know, and I could be wrong. Just off the
top of my head, I think the Giants have led
five games in the.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Fourth quarter, at least four. I don't know about five,
but no.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I mean they cannot make stops.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It was if you're gonna judge Mike Kafka, you can't
do it on wins and losses, because I if you're
considering him, I'm gonna do it on overall performance. I
thought the Giants played their butt off. They don't have Dart,
they don't have Scataboo, they don't have Molikue neighbors. I
thought the Giants played their tail off. Listen, Mike Kafka,
I would almost count.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
That as a win. He did his job.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
The offense was excellent, the effort was amazing, the passion
was I mean even the trick played at Jamis.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
I well, oh here the kafka A lot of credit.
Jameis Winston played out of his mind. Colin, here's my thing.
How did Brian Dabole look at Winston, Dart and Russell
Wilson and start Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
To begin the season.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
James Winston looks better than Rusted At any point this season.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Winston was out there balling.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
I was stunned. I can't.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
I mean, honestly, I don't want to go overboard on
one game. But did Jamis not to you look like
somebody who could compete for a starting spot on one
of these bad teams?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well? Yeah, I mean there are quarterbacks that I'll build around,
and there are quarterbacks for a year I would start
bridge guy. Yeah, I think Jamis is a clear bridge quarterback.
But he's always been productive. It's not a matter of
size arm. He likes to throw the ball down the field.
He's not a Dan dunk guy, and he's kind of
(25:46):
a joyful human being, Like he's not gonna have a
huge ego, A little goofy. But whatever, he's gonna have
a good broadcasting career. He's full of you know, you know,
he's full of personality. But here to Giants have blown
six fourth quarter leads. Five in the fourth quarter they
had a lead of ten plus points, so.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
That's why they fired.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
So who's that on that? I mean, it can't all
be on table now he got Katska doing it.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
No, it's the DC.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
You just got camped J Mack with the news. Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the lie.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I want to play a Miles Garrett comment here in
a second. You know I said this before. When when
when Tim Tebow went on a winning streak. I mean,
Saturday Night Live literally did a bit on it. It
was Matt Prater's kicks in the Great defense. He'd be
terrible for three and a half quarters. His team would trail,
but they were within reach because the Broncos defense and
kicking game was so good. But there was a fanaticism.
(26:46):
There was that conspiracy theory. Nobody likes it. It was
all nonsense. The difference is Shador can make NFL big
Boy Dannfield throws consistently. I think I was as shocked
as anybody that he fell to the fifth round. But
what I watched yesterday, to be honest, it felt a
little like Colorado is that he has bad throws in
(27:07):
a terrible pick. He missed people badly. But he you know,
he he doesn't lack confidence. He'll throw the ball down
the field. And Miles Garrett on one of his bigger throws, I.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Mean, he put it up and I'm just like, oh God,
who is I even going to and he drops it
in the bucket and I'm just like wow that There's
not many guys in lead that can make that throw.
So does a hell of a throw. No, I hope
he can con see to no grow and develop, you
know from making plays like that, and uh, they'll take
it from there.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And that three throws twenty five yards or more downfield. Okay,
that's one more than Dylan Gabriel had thrown all year.
I thought RG three nailed it. Coaches love Dylan Gabriel.
He'll settle the offense, he'll complete the pass, He'll do
what's drawn up shoulder like Caleb, though without Caleb's horsepower,
(28:00):
Shade are sometime going to do his own thing. But
you're gonna take big swings and you go strike out
more big swings. And there are certain coaches, certain offensive
coaches well and defensive coaches. They didn't want you going
too much off script, and so they're you know, coaches
like I mean, I think Kevin Stefanski says, our defense
is really good, don't turn the ball over, and we
(28:22):
can beat Green Bay, and they did. So Shaduur is
not always going to be a coaches because Shadur will
add lib but he doesn't have the Steve Young, the far,
the Caleb, the cam, the ability to make place.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
He's a decent athlete, not a great athlete.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
But here was Stefanski announcing earlier today Shadoor is the
official starting quarterback going forward.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Shador will start this week. Obviously. You know number one job.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
At quarterback is to win, so excited to get that
first win under his belt. And then next thing is
improvement and that's what young players do, certainly young quarterbacks
do you get one game better and that's just from
from working at it.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And all you Browns fans that are critical of Stefanski.
If he got fired, he would be out of work
for five minutes. Five minutes Stefanski would have hired by
the time Jimmy Haslam said you're fired. He wouldn't have
fired finished and Stefanski'd have a job. So the guy
knows what he's DoD. I thought the game plan yesterday,
(29:30):
rolling him out, you know,
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