November 24, 2025 • 38 mins
Colin Cowherd breaks down the NFL weekend, reacting to the Dallas Cowboys stunning 21-point comeback win over the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin explains why Dallas is closer to contender status than most fans think, giving major credit to Dak Prescott and Jerry Jones
He also dives into this week’s “Colin Right, Colin Wrong,” highlighting why he was spot-on about the Pittsburgh Steelers and off-target on the Las Vegas Raiders
Plus, Pro Bowler and Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III (RG3) joins the show to break down Caleb Williams emerging as a legitimate franchise quarterback, and to preview the massive Ohio State vs. Michigan rivalry showdown
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh here we go on a Monday. We told you
it means not look like much on paper, but it
was gonna be a really good Sunday and it was
overtime games already got coordinators getting whacked one hour from now.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, always plenty
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of both.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So Cowboys Eagles, Jay mak it was on paper, we
think Dallas is floundering.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
But somehow Shoddy.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Has got this offense, at least in moments, playing out
of their mind, and it ended up being in wildly
incredibly entertaining games. So let's just start with that one.
I said it last week, and I've been a huge
critic of the Cowboys. They're not as far off as
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you think since they've made these trades. Okay, a lot
of us may own apology to Gerald Wayne Jones because
Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams deals.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Now suddenly you can't run on the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
The Micah Parsons trade well didn't have much of an effect.
There's still top three in quarterback rushes. The George Pickens move,
I mean, that's one of the heists. Poor Steelers can't
throw the ball down the field. George Pickens third in
the NFL in touchdowns. To Marvin Overshown, that dude was
great at Texas with the Longhorns. He is healthy, he
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is super athletic. Two first round picks. They're going to
get an edge to replace Micah, probably a corner. I
don't know. The offense works man number one in the
league and toad offense number one in passing, number four
in scoring. It works, and because of Pickens and CD Lamb,
you can't cheat on the run game. So the Cowboys
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are running the ball now better than they have since
Zeke in twenty nineteen. Now the old line is hot
and cold, better run blocking than pass blocking. Satistically, I know,
I know they're only five to five and one. I
know I know they're playing Kansas City and it may
not turn out well. But I would rather be Dallas
today and have the offense figured out than be the
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Steelers for the fifth year in a row, paying of
fortune for a defense that can't stop anybody. You say
what you want about Dallas, two first round picks, Overshown's healthy,
George Pickens, heist a real run game for the first
time in forever. And say this for Jerry or Jerald
Wayne Jones Sr. He has always been one hundred percent
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committed the DAK. He has said he's the best leader
I've ever had, and yesterday that unflappable leadership trailing twenty one,
nothing throwing. You know he can throw a red zone pick,
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's DAK. It's just noise.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
A lot of that win was DAK, and Jerry said
DAK was indispensable. Micah was great, but he was tradable.
And guess what, the Cowboys are still getting pass rush.
The Cowboys defense right now is better than it was
last year. And with Micah it is you can't run
on them. Now with Kenny Clark and Quinnin Williams, yeah,
I have questions about Shoddy. I didn't think it was
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the strongest hire. I thought they should have gone heavy
into Mike Brabele or the year before into Jim Harbar
Sean Payton, and they didn't. And Jerry doesn't necessarily want
to pay coaches big money. But I'll say this for Shody.
When teams play hard and don't quit gets something. I mean,
I thought they were very I mean, that's twenty one
nhing and I'm like, oh, come on, I wanted.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
A good game. It's the late window. Give me a game.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't want to have to watch Jacksonville and Arizona.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Give me a game.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And it was and it's dacked and it's leadership and
it's no quit and it's over shown.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Philly's been tempting fate four weeks and nobody can quite
beat him. And then the Cowboys do to score twenty
four unentered points against a really really good defense. Credit
to everybody, even Maddie Flues. Everybody gets credit for this one.
But more than anything, it is Dak, a lot of noise, unflappable,
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Jerry's always been committed to him. We all own an apology.
You know, it's funny you start looking at these first
round deals and you're like, oh, they're losing Micah. They
couldn't defend the run when they had Micah. Now you
can't run on them. So who made the good deal?
Who made the bad deal? I said during the Micah
deal good for green Bay, not terrible for Dallas.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Dallas will be fine.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
They just got to get healthy. They got to get
some draft picks. So here was Dak and Jerry after.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Down twenty one. What did this team draw upon to
get this win? Our brotherhood one another?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
You know we got that that touched down before having
when halftime and we talked about it like we've only
been hurting ourselves.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
We know what we're capable of doing.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Come out, stay focused, stick together, and we can win
this thing.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Nobody believed. Everybody believed it.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
We got it done.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
George has been such an integral part of our story,
and he has his story to a degree that that's
our story.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And I'm so proud for him.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Everybody on this team is, and he certainly has absolutely
been the difference as we've played over the last two weeks.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I'll say this, sometimes you have unintended consequences or
unintended benefits of a.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Trade, right.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I don't think they thought when George Pickens arrived it
would help the run game so much. But you got
pickings on one side, CD on the other. You can't
just do single coverage. You got to do some bracketing.
You got to play honest. You can't have your safeties
two up. So the reality is now the run games working,
the old line's getting better. Two elite receivers dacks on fire.
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Two first round picks don't need a quarterback, so it
could turn two first round picks into five total picks.
The great thing about the NFL, it's the league of hope.
You can be absolutely awful one year New England and
be a number one seed the following year. Potentially, New
England can't do that in baseball. You can't do that
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in the NBA. It takes time and acquisitions. That is
what is great if you have a reasonable quarterback, and
Dak is more than reasonable. Look at Dallas from hopeless
to hopeful this morning.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
All right.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
He used to be a saying how about them Cowboys?
How about them Bears? First place? Now, Chicago was missing
six defensive starters, so let's just.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Start with that.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Their entire linebacking corps was out. So suddenly you go
into this game with Pittsburgh thinking, oh, we can't be boring.
We've got to actually, we got to move the ball
down the field. And Caleb Williams, in my opinion, played
his best game as a pro. Yeah he had a
bad strip sack for a touchdown. Yeah he misses open receivers. Yeah,
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four straight game under sixty percent completions. But Ben and
Caleb is a marriage and both are helping each other out.
Ben has provided creative play design and creative play calling,
and he's created some structure and focused on the run game.
And Caleb is given Ben Johnson the horsepower that Jared
goffin Detroit could have only dreamed of. It is a
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marriage not of convenience. It works, It's never going to
be perfect. Caleb gives you all this horse power, but
he does miss some throws. It's just you know, it's
just part of his game. And I said this, I'll
always take the upside for some struggles and accuracy. And
Ben and Caleb were both incredibly gifted. Right now, they're
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the number one big play offense in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
This is Chicago.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
That's something Green Bay does, or McVey does, or Shanahan does,
or Buffalo and Josh Allen does.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, it's Chicago. And here's the thing about Caleb.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
If he's your quarterback, there's two or three guarantees, big,
big mobility, playmaker loves the big play. And Ben Johnson
is providing the structure and the running game to allow
that much easier to throw downfield on second and four
when you don't have negative plays. That's the one thing
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about Caleb. There's two or three things we all know
about him. But I have said this for years about Caleb.
He doesn't get hurt and he doesn't throw picks. If
you provide him with a decent structure to play within
and a foundational running game, then those big plays are easier.
It sucks the linebackers and it gives him more space.
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He's gonna make plays with his feet. And he's got
a huge arm, but he just needs structure, he needs
a run game. And he's obviously coachable because he's completely
eliminated the negative plays. Eleven games, he's been sacked eleven times,
And just think about that. That's not because pass rush
has died. It's not just because they improved the offensive line.
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If your sacked sixty eight times and it's down to eleven,
you are coachable, and a lot of great athletes in
all sports aren't. And Caleb is. So this marriage works.
I don't think it's a perfect fit. They're facing a
very angry Philadelphia team next.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That's not a place I'd want to be.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But Ben and Caleb addressed the number one issue. What
did Ben say, no negative plays? We can't have these
second twenty two's, third and nineteens. We can't do that
where everybody knows what we're doing. So they're doing play action,
they're doing under center. It really works. And here's with Caleb.
You don't get the picks. It's very rare in the
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history of the NFL that you get all this upside
and you don't get a lot of downside. I mean
Marino through picks, lway through picks, name It through picks,
Peyton through picks, Look picks, Camp pigs, Josh Allen picks.
When you get the massive upside, there's usually a downside.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
He doesn't draw them. So it's it's working. They're winning.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It's a little uneven, it's not always a perfect fit.
But when you're missing your entire linebacking crew and you're
going up against the team in Pittsburgh, don't forget hammer
the Patriots. The red hot Patriots hammered the Colts who
went toe to toe with Mahomes and Andy Reid.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So wins are wins. Here's Ben after hell.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Yeah, tell you what, I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It takes a village. It takes a village.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
And I'm talking about players, I'm talking about coaches, I'm
talking about training staff, I'm talking about everybody in this building.
And here we are towards the back half the season
and our depth is being tested.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
All right, It would have been so easy to want.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Man, how are we gonna win this game? We got
no line going on and on and on. Man, crazy you.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Guys, that's number eight?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
In a day?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
How about them Cowboys? And how about them Bears? In
one weekend.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Caleb this season through eleven games, through eleven games has
been sacked seventy five percent less than he was last
year at this time. We all talked about it before
the season. I don't care about wins. You gotta eliminate
the negative plays in sacks. Ben Johnson and Caleb in
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Unison have and that's the difference. It's what Brady talked
about in Belichick. They asked Belichick favorite part of Brady
and that set down interviewees. No negative plays. We always
stayed ahead of the chains. He didn't talk about not
throwing interceptions or a big arm or Brady's you know,
Tom got rid of the ball quickly yesterday.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Caleb Williams the fastest he's ever second fastest release time
as a pro.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So Caleb all the games he's played.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yesterday against the Steelers, and we talked about it Friday.
Don't don't don't don't tease TJ. Watt.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
He did once and got burned. You gotta get rid
of the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yesterday the second fastest getting rid of the ball in
Caleb Williams's career. So again it comes back to working with.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
The coach being coachable.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
And for the record, Ben's got to work with Caleb
because Jared Goff didn't give you this. Jared Goff didn't
have this jet fuel really interesting stuff. You know, people say, listen,
eight games are ugly. Who cares coaches?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Sean McVay said it last week on analytics. Everybody's got
all the answers, none of the accountability. You gotta win games.
You need w's otherwise you get fired. We got two
guys getting fired today. Giants got rid of their DC,
Raiders got rid of their OC. Gotta win games. If
the Raiders win, Chip Kelly still working. Okay, if the
Giants win that DC, who's not doing a great job,
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probably still retains his gig. Gotta get double's. Bears are
j Mack What a Sunday.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Four overtime games, I think, and I just love the
glee that I hear from you in the Chicago Bears
get another awesome victory beating of Mason Rudolphia. That's right,
Mason n nice nice dub for the Bears. Did you
see the line for Bears Eagles this week?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You told me to look at the line. Let me guess,
Let me guess.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Let me guess. I don't think you can even get
within Okay, Okay, So Philadelphia is at home, awful loss.
That's a tough spot for Chicago, feeling a tough one.
I would say Philly minus.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Five and a.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Half, seven open at seven. Now, listen, I was expecting
him four and a half something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Bears are playing good.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Maybe they'll get one of the linebackers back.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I'm stunned at that. And the Eagles, I don't know
what the problem is are. They're not Jalen Hurts, but
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Speaker 1 (15:44):
Where Colin was right, Well, I've been saying for weeks
the Eagles are tempting faith. It's not right, say Quon's
falling off a cliff. You keep telling me Nick Sirianni's
a great coach, but the Philadelphia Eagles someone isn't working.
And to have twenty four straight unanswered points against a
rival is completely, absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
But don't tell me everything is fine and we'll just
keep figuring it out. Because I saw two years ago
a really good Eagles team circle the drain.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Where Colin was rowed.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I thought Chip Kelly was a solid choice, lots of
experience to be an offensive coordinator for Pete Carroll College
and pro. The run game absolutely nonexistent. Now, the O
line not very good, but the Raiders continue to look
backwards through the rearview mirror Chip and Pete Carroll and
Gino Smith.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I don't want to be mean, but the JJ McCarthy thing,
I don't know if he's even a backup three turnovers
and four yards in the second half. You could watch
how Green Bay was coaching. You could tell look at
their game plan in green Bay, it's like, we're just
gonna run it. We don't need to take any big
swings here. So the second half against Green Bay is
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I mean, you can't just throw when you have all
day and you're leading. I mean, yesterday is NFL quarterback
playing on the road, trailing to a very good team
and a very good defense. Everybody kept telling me, this
is the guy you got a draft and he was
the only quarterback in his class.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I said, I don't see it. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I think I was right on that where Colin was
raw four years in. I'm not sure what USC is,
but when they play Notre Dame or in Oregon, the
defense is below average and the special teams are a wreck.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I mean, that's just the reality is.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And the offense now feels like basically Malik Malachai Lemon,
McKay lemon.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's a one man offense.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
They got a you know, they're down to walk ons
on the offensive line. Did not recruit Southern California well enough.
The first three years they spend a lot of money
on nil and not all of it. Well, I don't know.
I don't think they're close. When you have twenty seven
carries and run for fifty two yards in the biggest
game in.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
A couple of years, that's not close.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Oregon was missing their top three receivers, didn't seem to
bother them.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I's wrong. Where Colin was right once.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Again, I said, Pittsburgh, look at their schedule. Steelers will
get hot early four and one, and now they're two
and three in their last five games. One of my
picks of the week was anti Steeler, Go Chicago. They
no longer lead the division. I mean, Baltimore's not even
playing well. In a month, They've flown past them. They're
not creative, very rarely, very infrequently on offense. They spend
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a forts on defense, and their defense isn't very good.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's twenty eight right now.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
This defense with the Steelers is the worst in franchise history.
That's how and it's the most expensive again, so they're
spending all the money, they're paying all the attention to defense.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
It's still bad. Where Colin was right once again.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
The Bills are to Josh Allen reliant Buffalo is now
one in four unless Josh Allen has three touchdowns. That's ridiculous.
I mean, at this point, I don't like their offensive line.
They don't have a deep threat. Again, Josh is creating
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more turnovers because he's pressing, he's forcing. Good news for
them is their run game. Run games are valuable as
the weather gets cold. So I do think they're sort
of built to go on a little bit of a
mini streak here at the end of the season. But
I've been preaching this for years. They're not clever offensively,
and they're just simply too reliant on Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Brent Venables has been a hit at Oklahoma and he's
gonna make the playoffs before Lincoln Riley. What I like
about Oklahoma they look like an SEC team. USC still
doesn't feel like a Big ten team. They lack toughness. Oklahoma,
you would have never known they were in the Big twelve.
They're tough, they're physical, They're good enough at quarterback. I
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always judge coaches on their side of the ball. Venables,
this is his first head coaching job. That defense is money.
I have watched it disassemble Bama and again this weekend.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
They don't even need an offense.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
That defense is so good, it's very sec I was wrong.
I just didn't think Venables was going to succeed as
quickly as Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh, Brandon Staley, apparently the Niners, the stories. He's on
his way out. I never understand. I don't understand Kyle Shanahan,
his insistence to pay every wide receiver in the building.
They paid Debo, they paid Brandon Ayuk. He's rarely been available.
I mean again, Pay Trent Williams, pay Kittle, Hey, Christian McCaffrey,
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you gotta pay, pay bron. But they're getting burned on this,
and this relationship is soured, and I never understood the
financial commitment.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
He's talented.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'll never deny that with Brandon Auk, but I didn't
get the money thrown at it.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
John Moran, NBA reporters love small, poor shooting, athletic guards.
This weekend. He's never going to grow up. Another embarrassing moment.
He's now a bench player, talking trash. Last two years,
the Grizzlies are better defensively and offensively. When John doesn't play,
and he was yapping again, this time to Klay Thompson,
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who said this afterwards.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
He's running his mouth for a long time.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
And it's funny to run your mouth when you're on
the bench.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It's kind of the story of his career so far.
Just leaving us once more. We need that in the NBA.
We need our best players to be out.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
There and.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Comes with a great responsibility and I hate to.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
See that called the waste.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
There is more to being a star in the NBA
than having hops. It's about leadership and commitment and dedication
and galvanizing egos. Joe's never had that.
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Speaker 1 (22:24):
He can do equally well NFL Discussion or college football.
He's always a treat on our show, Robert Griffin. The
third RG three called BYU Cincinnati on Saturday. There's so
many topics here.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Let's just get that. I mean, let's just get it
out of the way.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
When Tim Tebow came into the league, I was like,
come on, give me a break. You know. It's just
it's it's fun, it's a great story and there's some
of that with Shador. The difference is Shador can play,
Schador can make an NFL throws. My take is I
think he needs a little bit more self awareness.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I think a little more maturity.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But he grew up. I mean he does, but he
grew up as a rich kid with his famous dad.
It's it's not it's not a normal life like the
rest of us live, right, So but I will say this,
he provides something.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Dylan Gabriel, in.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
My opinion, did not big downfield throws. That's and to me,
I would just let him run the seat. I've seen Dylan.
He stabilized the offense. I kind of like I'd give
I'd give shit or the season.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
What say you?
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Yeah, I would do the same and listen, I had.
I have a relationship with every quarterback that has been
there this season for the Clan Browns. Joe Flack was
teammates with him in Baltimore. No Canny Pickett really really well,
no Dylan Well and no sheder Well. And when you
watch the game, the Browns played with more energy, more purpose,
and more excitement than they have all season long because
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of his ability to make the extended play and with
that comes mistakes. He'd do a bad interception, but he bounced.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Back really well off of it.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
And when I watched him playing, you saw Miles Garrett's
reaction on the sideline when he throws that deep shot
tied da bomb. They weren't reacting like that with any
other quarterback in the game. So I think he has
the pulse of the team, the pulse of the city,
and some of that self awareness you're talking about. He
is self aware that he believes he is going to
be successful, so he speaks confidently, he walks around confidently,
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and that is why he's not afraid to make those
types of throws deep down the field because he is
not afraid of the potential mistakes, which you can't say that.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
For every other quarterback that's been under center.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
There.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, and there is something Robert about.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
The locker rooms.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Like I remember talking to players who played with Michael
Vick and they were like, man, Michael made you feel
bigger and faster. Like Michael was like, you know, Michael,
in the fourth quarter, you'd play better defense because you're like,
just get Michael, just give Michael one more possession. You're saying,
that's a real thing with certain players.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I think it is.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
And the reason Dylan Gabriel is so beloved by coaches
is because he is going to do what you ask
him to do and he's gonna get it done right.
But coaching the difference. I always believe this colin. The
difference between coaching and playing is the players know how
to do it in a way that sometimes might feel unconventional.
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They never drew up that play that deep shots Isaiah
Bond and said, all right, Shade, what we want you
to do is when they pressure escape the pocket, immediately
run to your right and throw a fifty two yard
bomb down the field.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
That was not in the game plan. Okay, but great players,
guys who have a.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Good feel for the game, they find their ways into
those types of plays.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Even the Jerry Judy pass.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Where I don't know what he was doing with the
hop skip and a jump trying to do a high
step in.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
The middle of the field. But those are plays that
Dylan Gabriel isn't making.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Because he is such like a coaching one on one
type of player. You have to live with the good
and the bad. From Shadeur, that screen path for a
touchdown was exactly.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
How they drew it up.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
But you got to take those plays with some of
his unconventional playmaking as well, because he will make the
team feel bigger and brighter about themselves. He the defense
had ten sacks. I think that's a byproduct if they
were excited to have SHIRER. Sanders out there on the
field with them.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
A team I think is really good is Seattle.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Now. They didn't eat the Rams, but nobody I mean
the Rams haven't trailed in weeks, and the Rams don't
have penalties, they don't turn it ont. Rams are playing
at a level right now. You only worry is do
they peak. JSN is about to break an all time
NFL record if he keeps it up.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So I want you to.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Tell me, you do college and pro what makes him
so special? If it was easy, everybody could do it.
He doesn't run a four two five. He's not the
biggest guy. What is he doing that other receivers who
are bigger, who are faster, aren't doing.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yeah, I think you know.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
I do love to quote this person because the hips
don't lie.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
And that's what Shakira told us.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
All right, And I look at JSN, I say he's
a hipconnoisseur. You talk about his ability to feel leverage
and work guy's leverage against themselves. We talked about this
off air. He has a knack for finding open space.
But I think his next level trait is he is
not worried about catching the football. He's so confident in
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that regard that when the ball is in the air,
he's already thinking, how can I make the next play.
He caught that pass down the field this past weekend,
and most guys would fall as soon as they feel contact,
just to make sure they can secure the catch.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
He's not worried about it. You just saw it right there.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
He's catching the ball, He's like, how do I get
to the end zone? To me, his ability to do
those things is what makes him a quarterback's best friend.
He's going to be on time, he's going to be
in rhythm, he's going to be open, he's going to
use your leverage against you as a dB, and he's
going to score touchdowns when you least expect him to
score touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Okay, so the thing with Caleb is great games under
sixty percent. I always feel like the bigger ceiling you have,
I don't need you to be Kirk Cousins. If you
can throw him or run like Cam don't. I don't
need sixty eight. If you're Drew Brees, I don't get
the deep ball. If you're Kirk Cousins, I don't get
the movement. So Caleb hit sixty one and a half
percent and I got the big plays.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I'm good with it.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
He does miss stuff. Let me ask you, is accuracy?
How correctable is it? Some things some guys in the NBA,
John Morant was a never a great shooter. Russell Westbrook,
it's worked his tail off. He's not but right like,
some things are correctable, and some guys are never great shooters.
When you look at Caleb's accuracy issues, can we just
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say he listen, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You're getting so much upside.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
If he gets sixty one percent, that's gravy on top
of everything else.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
How do you view that?
Speaker 7 (28:51):
I view it as I'm gonna say this and sew
them out.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Love it.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
But accuracy is a myth, all right? If I you
just that ball he threw behind the tight end. But
if he throws that and puts that ball in the
right place, the right place might be on the guy's shoelaces.
The right place might be his back shoulder when he's
running full speed, to in his front shoulder being the
right side of his body. Accuracy, to me is always
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dependent upon where the defense is and what you're trying
to get the receiver to do. So where I think
his sixty one percent completion percentage comes from is more
so the fact that he is willing to take more
chances to have big plays occur, which drives down his
completion percentage. Do you want a guy that's going to
be a checkdown Charlie. Do you want a guy that
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is not going to take those risks deep down the
field because he's afraid to make mistakes. I don't think
that's who Caleb Williams is. I think he's aggressive by nature,
and what Ben Johnson has been able to accomplish with
him is eliminate those negative plays that I heard you
talking about earlier on this show. I think their relationship
is perfect because what Caleb gives him. You mentioned this
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about Jared Golf. Jared, if it's there and you scheme
it up, he's going to hit it. Caleb gives you
the ability that when you get into the playoffs, it's
no longer about just the exes and the ods.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
It's about the jimmies and the Joe's, and.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
Caleb Williams is one of those Jimmies and Joe's that
is going to make a play that is going to
make your jaw hit the ground and you need that
at the quarterback position. And I think they just have
that perfect match of Okay, let me get into my
WUSAU moments and make sure I do what I need
to do, and then when it's time to be superman,
Caleb Williams can do that as well.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
All Right, A couple of college questions, because you're so
good at this, I said, I said, if you don't
have regulations, then aggressive people on Wall Street, in Silicon
Valley or in college football are going to be aggressive.
In the NFL, I can't go poach Andy Reider, Sean Payton,
weak pet, but encourage in college I can. And LSU
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didn't give a rip about Ole Miss. If you don't
have if you don't have stipulations, regulations or roadblocks, I'm
just going to go buy your coach. I don't blame
the individual, I blame the sport or Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Is their loyalty? Am I being? You know?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I don't. I don't want to be Pollyanna about it,
but it's like I I just think in life, smart
aggressive people, if you don't have regulations, are going to
be aggressive.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
And I'm not gonna blame Lane.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
How do you view it? No, I think you're one
hundred percent right there, Colin.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
It's loyalty comes into effect in college football when the
price is similar.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Okay, if all misses.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Coming to lang Kiffin saying hey, you've done a great
job here, You've built this program back up, We're a
national title contender year after year.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Now with you being at the Helm, and we're going
to offer.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
You eighty five million dollars to be our coach, well,
then I think Lane Kiffin would be an idiot to
leave and go to LSU or go to Florida. But
if they're saying, hey, here's ninety million dollars over here
at another school and the school you're currently at is
going to give you sixty, yeah, there's no loyalty there.
And I think anyone that is claiming that they would
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take the sixty over the ninety is lying to you
and you should never trust them in anything. So I
understand what Lane Kiffin's history that people say, oh, well,
he's done this. He did this with the Raiders, he
did that over at Alabama, did this at Tennessee, at USC,
whatever it may be. But in this situation, if ole
Miss isn't going to match with the other schools they're
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willing to pay him, or at least get close within
a couple million, then he should leave. And he would
be right to do that by his family, because although
it might be more risky to go to LSU and
more risky to potentially go to Florida, if they're going
to pay him significantly more, he knows, Hey, man, if
they fired me in four years because of the buyouts,
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I'm going to the bank with ninety million dollars, I
might never have to coach ever again in my life,
and I can take care of my family.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
So I think that part of it. He is a
human being.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
He has a family to take care of, and he
has to look out in the best interests of his family,
especially when the dollars don't match.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Okay, finally, it's not that USC lost. Winning at Otson
is really hard. Buckeye's lost there last year. After the loss,
Lincoln Riley says, oh, we're close, and I'm like, timeout,
twenty seven carries fifty two yards. If Kirby's smart had
a team that ran for fifty two yards on twenty
seven carries, he would be furious. He would be outraged.
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I mean, it would be laps on the track after
the game. And my take is this whole thing about
we're close. You got whacked at Notre Dame, you got
whacked at Oregon. I mean a couple of years ago,
whacked at Michigan. You gotta beat Illinois. I think it's
the mindset four years in in big games against the
best teams, Penn State, doesn't matter where it's at Notre Dame, Michigan.
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Last year, Illinois Oregon, you can't make stops and your
special teams are a wreck. Yeah, I mean that it's
not that you lose so or Oregon didn't play well.
Hey mean, Oregon had it in the first happening like
seven penalties, Oregon was missing three receivers. I just think
to myself, nobody wants to hear that. You gotta understand,
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this is when Pete was here. There was no NFL.
It was next to the Lakers. It's the biggest show
in town. Correct, So how what do you take from well,
we're close, How does.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
That land for you?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Well, Conn, I do think they are close, And the
thing is what you just brought up is probably the
thing that's weighing heaviest.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
On Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
They brought him in to bring back the show, and
in order for the show to really be there, you
have to win the big games on the field. No
one cares if you beat Northwestern, right, they care if
you can beat Oregon. And I think what this team
has been going through over the last couple of seasons
is adjusting to playing in the Big Ten. Even though
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I know Oregon is an old Pac twelve opponent and
an old Pac twelve rivalry, They're adjusting their style of
play to having to play against the bigger, medior offense
and defensive lines that they're facing in the Big Ten.
And when I say yes, they are close, they have
the quarterback. They're down there starting two running backs. King
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Miller is a great story, but he wasn't their starter
going into the season. For a reason. It's because way Moo,
Jordan and Sanders and Elis Sanders were better running backs.
So I don't look at this to make excuses for
Lincoln I do think Lincoln Riley is a great coach.
I think that him leaving Oklahoma the way that he
did rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I
think he is feeling that pressure, knowing that he's on
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a ten year deal and they haven't gotten to where they.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Need to be quite yet. I do think they there.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
I think his answers in the media are to not
add more pressure and more backlash to what he's already
receiving from the media itself. So he has to be
confident and he has to say I think we're close.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Otherwise, if he gives up.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Then everyone's really gonna start calling for him to get fired,
more so than they already are.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I know nobody wants to throw it out there. I
think Ohio State is gonna bury Michigan this weekend in
an arbory.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
I think they.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Bury him.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
You think they're gonna bury him.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I think this defense you have to go back about.
Maybe the Jalen Carter Georgia defense. Maybe one of Knicks.
I'm telling you, linebacker secondary, the windows are tiny. It's
a freshman quarterback. I'm with you, and I like him.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
He is nineteen.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I can't say I'm with you that they're gonna bury them.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
I do think the fact that Michigan is one of
the last four meetings does mean something. I think when
you have this rivalry, the records go out the window,
and there's two big factors. One how healthy is Jeremiah
Smith and Carnell Take going to be if they play
in this game?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Because if they don't play, I think.
Speaker 7 (37:13):
That that's not just a big factor, it's it's also
gonna hurt the defense because this defense is extremely talented.
But the one thing you can never truly account for
is Underwood and his ability to make extended plays. Every
defensive coordinator when they face a guy that can make
plays with his arm and his legs, stay up all
night about it. So that to me are the two
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biggest factors. How are they going to keep him bottled up?
And then are they going to have their full arsenal
weapons on the offensive side. This is a really great
game to watch because of the magnitude of it, and
I believe this Colin. If Michigan beats Ohio State, I
think the Big Ten gets four teams, four teams into
the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Who I know that's a one way in the show
is you're.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Saying it like you gave it a big old possibility, that.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
It's always a possibility.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
And listen, I got no bias, I got no dog
in the fight when it comes.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
To who who are you more loyal to Ohio.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
State or Michigan. I just know that this game means everything.
And we've seen Michigan beat Ohio State when they weren't
very good. So now Michigan has clawed their way back
into the at least somewhat of a conversation of having
a chance to make the College Fotball Playoff. This is
their super Bowl, and if they win it, I think
they get in.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Robert, always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Appreciate you, brother,
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh here we go on a Monday. We told you
it means not look like much on paper, but it
was gonna be a really good Sunday and it was
overtime games already got coordinators getting whacked one hour from now.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, always plenty
(01:15):
of both.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So Cowboys Eagles, Jay mak it was on paper, we
think Dallas is floundering.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
But somehow Shoddy.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Has got this offense, at least in moments, playing out
of their mind, and it ended up being in wildly
incredibly entertaining games. So let's just start with that one.
I said it last week, and I've been a huge
critic of the Cowboys. They're not as far off as
(01:51):
you think since they've made these trades. Okay, a lot
of us may own apology to Gerald Wayne Jones because
Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams deals.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Now suddenly you can't run on the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
The Micah Parsons trade well didn't have much of an effect.
There's still top three in quarterback rushes. The George Pickens move,
I mean, that's one of the heists. Poor Steelers can't
throw the ball down the field. George Pickens third in
the NFL in touchdowns. To Marvin Overshown, that dude was
great at Texas with the Longhorns. He is healthy, he
(02:28):
is super athletic. Two first round picks. They're going to
get an edge to replace Micah, probably a corner. I
don't know. The offense works man number one in the
league and toad offense number one in passing, number four
in scoring. It works, and because of Pickens and CD Lamb,
you can't cheat on the run game. So the Cowboys
(02:49):
are running the ball now better than they have since
Zeke in twenty nineteen. Now the old line is hot
and cold, better run blocking than pass blocking. Satistically, I know,
I know they're only five to five and one. I
know I know they're playing Kansas City and it may
not turn out well. But I would rather be Dallas
today and have the offense figured out than be the
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Steelers for the fifth year in a row, paying of
fortune for a defense that can't stop anybody. You say
what you want about Dallas, two first round picks, Overshown's healthy,
George Pickens, heist a real run game for the first
time in forever. And say this for Jerry or Jerald
Wayne Jones Sr. He has always been one hundred percent
(03:36):
committed the DAK. He has said he's the best leader
I've ever had, and yesterday that unflappable leadership trailing twenty one,
nothing throwing. You know he can throw a red zone pick,
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's DAK. It's just noise.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
A lot of that win was DAK, and Jerry said
DAK was indispensable. Micah was great, but he was tradable.
And guess what, the Cowboys are still getting pass rush.
The Cowboys defense right now is better than it was
last year. And with Micah it is you can't run
on them. Now with Kenny Clark and Quinnin Williams, yeah,
I have questions about Shoddy. I didn't think it was
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the strongest hire. I thought they should have gone heavy
into Mike Brabele or the year before into Jim Harbar
Sean Payton, and they didn't. And Jerry doesn't necessarily want
to pay coaches big money. But I'll say this for Shody.
When teams play hard and don't quit gets something. I mean,
I thought they were very I mean, that's twenty one
nhing and I'm like, oh, come on, I wanted.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
A good game. It's the late window. Give me a game.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't want to have to watch Jacksonville and Arizona.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Give me a game.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And it was and it's dacked and it's leadership and
it's no quit and it's over shown.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Philly's been tempting fate four weeks and nobody can quite
beat him. And then the Cowboys do to score twenty
four unentered points against a really really good defense. Credit
to everybody, even Maddie Flues. Everybody gets credit for this one.
But more than anything, it is Dak, a lot of noise, unflappable,
(05:08):
Jerry's always been committed to him. We all own an apology.
You know, it's funny you start looking at these first
round deals and you're like, oh, they're losing Micah. They
couldn't defend the run when they had Micah. Now you
can't run on them. So who made the good deal?
Who made the bad deal? I said during the Micah
deal good for green Bay, not terrible for Dallas.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Dallas will be fine.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
They just got to get healthy. They got to get
some draft picks. So here was Dak and Jerry after.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Down twenty one. What did this team draw upon to
get this win? Our brotherhood one another?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
You know we got that that touched down before having
when halftime and we talked about it like we've only
been hurting ourselves.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
We know what we're capable of doing.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Come out, stay focused, stick together, and we can win
this thing.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Nobody believed. Everybody believed it.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
We got it done.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
George has been such an integral part of our story,
and he has his story to a degree that that's
our story.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And I'm so proud for him.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Everybody on this team is, and he certainly has absolutely
been the difference as we've played over the last two weeks.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I'll say this, sometimes you have unintended consequences or
unintended benefits of a.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Trade, right.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I don't think they thought when George Pickens arrived it
would help the run game so much. But you got
pickings on one side, CD on the other. You can't
just do single coverage. You got to do some bracketing.
You got to play honest. You can't have your safeties
two up. So the reality is now the run games working,
the old line's getting better. Two elite receivers dacks on fire.
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Two first round picks don't need a quarterback, so it
could turn two first round picks into five total picks.
The great thing about the NFL, it's the league of hope.
You can be absolutely awful one year New England and
be a number one seed the following year. Potentially, New
England can't do that in baseball. You can't do that
(07:10):
in the NBA. It takes time and acquisitions. That is
what is great if you have a reasonable quarterback, and
Dak is more than reasonable. Look at Dallas from hopeless
to hopeful this morning.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
All right.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
He used to be a saying how about them Cowboys?
How about them Bears? First place? Now, Chicago was missing
six defensive starters, so let's just.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Start with that.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Their entire linebacking corps was out. So suddenly you go
into this game with Pittsburgh thinking, oh, we can't be boring.
We've got to actually, we got to move the ball
down the field. And Caleb Williams, in my opinion, played
his best game as a pro. Yeah he had a
bad strip sack for a touchdown. Yeah he misses open receivers. Yeah,
(08:00):
four straight game under sixty percent completions. But Ben and
Caleb is a marriage and both are helping each other out.
Ben has provided creative play design and creative play calling,
and he's created some structure and focused on the run game.
And Caleb is given Ben Johnson the horsepower that Jared
goffin Detroit could have only dreamed of. It is a
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marriage not of convenience. It works, It's never going to
be perfect. Caleb gives you all this horse power, but
he does miss some throws. It's just you know, it's
just part of his game. And I said this, I'll
always take the upside for some struggles and accuracy. And
Ben and Caleb were both incredibly gifted. Right now, they're
(08:45):
the number one big play offense in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
This is Chicago.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
That's something Green Bay does, or McVey does, or Shanahan does,
or Buffalo and Josh Allen does.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, it's Chicago. And here's the thing about Caleb.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
If he's your quarterback, there's two or three guarantees, big,
big mobility, playmaker loves the big play. And Ben Johnson
is providing the structure and the running game to allow
that much easier to throw downfield on second and four
when you don't have negative plays. That's the one thing
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about Caleb. There's two or three things we all know
about him. But I have said this for years about Caleb.
He doesn't get hurt and he doesn't throw picks. If
you provide him with a decent structure to play within
and a foundational running game, then those big plays are easier.
It sucks the linebackers and it gives him more space.
(09:38):
He's gonna make plays with his feet. And he's got
a huge arm, but he just needs structure, he needs
a run game. And he's obviously coachable because he's completely
eliminated the negative plays. Eleven games, he's been sacked eleven times,
And just think about that. That's not because pass rush
has died. It's not just because they improved the offensive line.
(10:01):
If your sacked sixty eight times and it's down to eleven,
you are coachable, and a lot of great athletes in
all sports aren't. And Caleb is. So this marriage works.
I don't think it's a perfect fit. They're facing a
very angry Philadelphia team next.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That's not a place I'd want to be.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But Ben and Caleb addressed the number one issue. What
did Ben say, no negative plays? We can't have these
second twenty two's, third and nineteens. We can't do that
where everybody knows what we're doing. So they're doing play action,
they're doing under center. It really works. And here's with Caleb.
You don't get the picks. It's very rare in the
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history of the NFL that you get all this upside
and you don't get a lot of downside. I mean
Marino through picks, lway through picks, name It through picks,
Peyton through picks, Look picks, Camp pigs, Josh Allen picks.
When you get the massive upside, there's usually a downside.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
He doesn't draw them. So it's it's working. They're winning.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It's a little uneven, it's not always a perfect fit.
But when you're missing your entire linebacking crew and you're
going up against the team in Pittsburgh, don't forget hammer
the Patriots. The red hot Patriots hammered the Colts who
went toe to toe with Mahomes and Andy Reid.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So wins are wins. Here's Ben after hell.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Yeah, tell you what, I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It takes a village. It takes a village.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
And I'm talking about players, I'm talking about coaches, I'm
talking about training staff, I'm talking about everybody in this building.
And here we are towards the back half the season
and our depth is being tested.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
All right, It would have been so easy to want.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Man, how are we gonna win this game? We got
no line going on and on and on. Man, crazy you.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Guys, that's number eight?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
In a day?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
How about them Cowboys? And how about them Bears? In
one weekend.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Caleb this season through eleven games, through eleven games has
been sacked seventy five percent less than he was last
year at this time. We all talked about it before
the season. I don't care about wins. You gotta eliminate
the negative plays in sacks. Ben Johnson and Caleb in
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Unison have and that's the difference. It's what Brady talked
about in Belichick. They asked Belichick favorite part of Brady
and that set down interviewees. No negative plays. We always
stayed ahead of the chains. He didn't talk about not
throwing interceptions or a big arm or Brady's you know,
Tom got rid of the ball quickly yesterday.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Caleb Williams the fastest he's ever second fastest release time
as a pro.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So Caleb all the games he's played.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yesterday against the Steelers, and we talked about it Friday.
Don't don't don't don't tease TJ. Watt.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
He did once and got burned. You gotta get rid
of the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yesterday the second fastest getting rid of the ball in
Caleb Williams's career. So again it comes back to working with.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
The coach being coachable.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
And for the record, Ben's got to work with Caleb
because Jared Goff didn't give you this. Jared Goff didn't
have this jet fuel really interesting stuff. You know, people say, listen,
eight games are ugly. Who cares coaches?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Sean McVay said it last week on analytics. Everybody's got
all the answers, none of the accountability. You gotta win games.
You need w's otherwise you get fired. We got two
guys getting fired today. Giants got rid of their DC,
Raiders got rid of their OC. Gotta win games. If
the Raiders win, Chip Kelly still working. Okay, if the
Giants win that DC, who's not doing a great job,
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probably still retains his gig. Gotta get double's. Bears are
j Mack What a Sunday.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Four overtime games, I think, and I just love the
glee that I hear from you in the Chicago Bears
get another awesome victory beating of Mason Rudolphia. That's right,
Mason n nice nice dub for the Bears. Did you
see the line for Bears Eagles this week?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You told me to look at the line. Let me guess,
Let me guess.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Let me guess. I don't think you can even get
within Okay, Okay, So Philadelphia is at home, awful loss.
That's a tough spot for Chicago, feeling a tough one.
I would say Philly minus.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Five and a.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Half, seven open at seven. Now, listen, I was expecting
him four and a half something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Bears are playing good.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Maybe they'll get one of the linebackers back.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I'm stunned at that. And the Eagles, I don't know
what the problem is are. They're not Jalen Hurts, but
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Speaker 1 (15:44):
Where Colin was right, Well, I've been saying for weeks
the Eagles are tempting faith. It's not right, say Quon's
falling off a cliff. You keep telling me Nick Sirianni's
a great coach, but the Philadelphia Eagles someone isn't working.
And to have twenty four straight unanswered points against a
rival is completely, absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
But don't tell me everything is fine and we'll just
keep figuring it out. Because I saw two years ago
a really good Eagles team circle the drain.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Where Colin was rowed.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I thought Chip Kelly was a solid choice, lots of
experience to be an offensive coordinator for Pete Carroll College
and pro. The run game absolutely nonexistent. Now, the O
line not very good, but the Raiders continue to look
backwards through the rearview mirror Chip and Pete Carroll and
Gino Smith.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I don't want to be mean, but the JJ McCarthy thing,
I don't know if he's even a backup three turnovers
and four yards in the second half. You could watch
how Green Bay was coaching. You could tell look at
their game plan in green Bay, it's like, we're just
gonna run it. We don't need to take any big
swings here. So the second half against Green Bay is
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I mean, you can't just throw when you have all
day and you're leading. I mean, yesterday is NFL quarterback
playing on the road, trailing to a very good team
and a very good defense. Everybody kept telling me, this
is the guy you got a draft and he was
the only quarterback in his class.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I said, I don't see it. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I think I was right on that where Colin was
raw four years in. I'm not sure what USC is,
but when they play Notre Dame or in Oregon, the
defense is below average and the special teams are a wreck.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I mean, that's just the reality is.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And the offense now feels like basically Malik Malachai Lemon,
McKay lemon.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's a one man offense.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
They got a you know, they're down to walk ons
on the offensive line. Did not recruit Southern California well enough.
The first three years they spend a lot of money
on nil and not all of it. Well, I don't know.
I don't think they're close. When you have twenty seven
carries and run for fifty two yards in the biggest
game in.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
A couple of years, that's not close.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Oregon was missing their top three receivers, didn't seem to
bother them.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I's wrong. Where Colin was right once.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Again, I said, Pittsburgh, look at their schedule. Steelers will
get hot early four and one, and now they're two
and three in their last five games. One of my
picks of the week was anti Steeler, Go Chicago. They
no longer lead the division. I mean, Baltimore's not even
playing well. In a month, They've flown past them. They're
not creative, very rarely, very infrequently on offense. They spend
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a forts on defense, and their defense isn't very good.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's twenty eight right now.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
This defense with the Steelers is the worst in franchise history.
That's how and it's the most expensive again, so they're
spending all the money, they're paying all the attention to defense.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
It's still bad. Where Colin was right once again.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
The Bills are to Josh Allen reliant Buffalo is now
one in four unless Josh Allen has three touchdowns. That's ridiculous.
I mean, at this point, I don't like their offensive line.
They don't have a deep threat. Again, Josh is creating
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more turnovers because he's pressing, he's forcing. Good news for
them is their run game. Run games are valuable as
the weather gets cold. So I do think they're sort
of built to go on a little bit of a
mini streak here at the end of the season. But
I've been preaching this for years. They're not clever offensively,
and they're just simply too reliant on Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Brent Venables has been a hit at Oklahoma and he's
gonna make the playoffs before Lincoln Riley. What I like
about Oklahoma they look like an SEC team. USC still
doesn't feel like a Big ten team. They lack toughness. Oklahoma,
you would have never known they were in the Big twelve.
They're tough, they're physical, They're good enough at quarterback. I
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always judge coaches on their side of the ball. Venables,
this is his first head coaching job. That defense is money.
I have watched it disassemble Bama and again this weekend.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
They don't even need an offense.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
That defense is so good, it's very sec I was wrong.
I just didn't think Venables was going to succeed as
quickly as Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh, Brandon Staley, apparently the Niners, the stories. He's on
his way out. I never understand. I don't understand Kyle Shanahan,
his insistence to pay every wide receiver in the building.
They paid Debo, they paid Brandon Ayuk. He's rarely been available.
I mean again, Pay Trent Williams, pay Kittle, Hey, Christian McCaffrey,
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you gotta pay, pay bron. But they're getting burned on this,
and this relationship is soured, and I never understood the
financial commitment.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
He's talented.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'll never deny that with Brandon Auk, but I didn't
get the money thrown at it.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
John Moran, NBA reporters love small, poor shooting, athletic guards.
This weekend. He's never going to grow up. Another embarrassing moment.
He's now a bench player, talking trash. Last two years,
the Grizzlies are better defensively and offensively. When John doesn't play,
and he was yapping again, this time to Klay Thompson,
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who said this afterwards.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
He's running his mouth for a long time.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
And it's funny to run your mouth when you're on
the bench.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It's kind of the story of his career so far.
Just leaving us once more. We need that in the NBA.
We need our best players to be out.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
There and.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Comes with a great responsibility and I hate to.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
See that called the waste.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
There is more to being a star in the NBA
than having hops. It's about leadership and commitment and dedication
and galvanizing egos. Joe's never had that.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
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Speaker 1 (22:24):
He can do equally well NFL Discussion or college football.
He's always a treat on our show, Robert Griffin. The
third RG three called BYU Cincinnati on Saturday. There's so
many topics here.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Let's just get that. I mean, let's just get it
out of the way.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
When Tim Tebow came into the league, I was like,
come on, give me a break. You know. It's just
it's it's fun, it's a great story and there's some
of that with Shador. The difference is Shador can play,
Schador can make an NFL throws. My take is I
think he needs a little bit more self awareness.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I think a little more maturity.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But he grew up. I mean he does, but he
grew up as a rich kid with his famous dad.
It's it's not it's not a normal life like the
rest of us live, right, So but I will say this,
he provides something.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Dylan Gabriel, in.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
My opinion, did not big downfield throws. That's and to me,
I would just let him run the seat. I've seen Dylan.
He stabilized the offense. I kind of like I'd give
I'd give shit or the season.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
What say you?
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Yeah, I would do the same and listen, I had.
I have a relationship with every quarterback that has been
there this season for the Clan Browns. Joe Flack was
teammates with him in Baltimore. No Canny Pickett really really well,
no Dylan Well and no sheder Well. And when you
watch the game, the Browns played with more energy, more purpose,
and more excitement than they have all season long because
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of his ability to make the extended play and with
that comes mistakes. He'd do a bad interception, but he bounced.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Back really well off of it.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
And when I watched him playing, you saw Miles Garrett's
reaction on the sideline when he throws that deep shot
tied da bomb. They weren't reacting like that with any
other quarterback in the game. So I think he has
the pulse of the team, the pulse of the city,
and some of that self awareness you're talking about. He
is self aware that he believes he is going to
be successful, so he speaks confidently, he walks around confidently,
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and that is why he's not afraid to make those
types of throws deep down the field because he is
not afraid of the potential mistakes, which you can't say that.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
For every other quarterback that's been under center.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
There.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, and there is something Robert about.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
The locker rooms.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Like I remember talking to players who played with Michael
Vick and they were like, man, Michael made you feel
bigger and faster. Like Michael was like, you know, Michael,
in the fourth quarter, you'd play better defense because you're like,
just get Michael, just give Michael one more possession. You're saying,
that's a real thing with certain players.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I think it is.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
And the reason Dylan Gabriel is so beloved by coaches
is because he is going to do what you ask
him to do and he's gonna get it done right.
But coaching the difference. I always believe this colin. The
difference between coaching and playing is the players know how
to do it in a way that sometimes might feel unconventional.
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They never drew up that play that deep shots Isaiah
Bond and said, all right, Shade, what we want you
to do is when they pressure escape the pocket, immediately
run to your right and throw a fifty two yard
bomb down the field.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
That was not in the game plan. Okay, but great players,
guys who have a.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Good feel for the game, they find their ways into
those types of plays.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Even the Jerry Judy pass.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Where I don't know what he was doing with the
hop skip and a jump trying to do a high
step in.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
The middle of the field. But those are plays that
Dylan Gabriel isn't making.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Because he is such like a coaching one on one
type of player. You have to live with the good
and the bad. From Shadeur, that screen path for a
touchdown was exactly.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
How they drew it up.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
But you got to take those plays with some of
his unconventional playmaking as well, because he will make the
team feel bigger and brighter about themselves. He the defense
had ten sacks. I think that's a byproduct if they
were excited to have SHIRER. Sanders out there on the
field with them.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
A team I think is really good is Seattle.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Now. They didn't eat the Rams, but nobody I mean
the Rams haven't trailed in weeks, and the Rams don't
have penalties, they don't turn it ont. Rams are playing
at a level right now. You only worry is do
they peak. JSN is about to break an all time
NFL record if he keeps it up.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So I want you to.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Tell me, you do college and pro what makes him
so special? If it was easy, everybody could do it.
He doesn't run a four two five. He's not the
biggest guy. What is he doing that other receivers who
are bigger, who are faster, aren't doing.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yeah, I think you know.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
I do love to quote this person because the hips
don't lie.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
And that's what Shakira told us.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
All right, And I look at JSN, I say he's
a hipconnoisseur. You talk about his ability to feel leverage
and work guy's leverage against themselves. We talked about this
off air. He has a knack for finding open space.
But I think his next level trait is he is
not worried about catching the football. He's so confident in
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that regard that when the ball is in the air,
he's already thinking, how can I make the next play.
He caught that pass down the field this past weekend,
and most guys would fall as soon as they feel contact,
just to make sure they can secure the catch.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
He's not worried about it. You just saw it right there.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
He's catching the ball, He's like, how do I get
to the end zone? To me, his ability to do
those things is what makes him a quarterback's best friend.
He's going to be on time, he's going to be
in rhythm, he's going to be open, he's going to
use your leverage against you as a dB, and he's
going to score touchdowns when you least expect him to
score touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Okay, so the thing with Caleb is great games under
sixty percent. I always feel like the bigger ceiling you have,
I don't need you to be Kirk Cousins. If you
can throw him or run like Cam don't. I don't
need sixty eight. If you're Drew Brees, I don't get
the deep ball. If you're Kirk Cousins, I don't get
the movement. So Caleb hit sixty one and a half
percent and I got the big plays.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I'm good with it.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
He does miss stuff. Let me ask you, is accuracy?
How correctable is it? Some things some guys in the NBA,
John Morant was a never a great shooter. Russell Westbrook,
it's worked his tail off. He's not but right like,
some things are correctable, and some guys are never great shooters.
When you look at Caleb's accuracy issues, can we just
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say he listen, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You're getting so much upside.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
If he gets sixty one percent, that's gravy on top
of everything else.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
How do you view that?
Speaker 7 (28:51):
I view it as I'm gonna say this and sew
them out.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Love it.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
But accuracy is a myth, all right? If I you
just that ball he threw behind the tight end. But
if he throws that and puts that ball in the
right place, the right place might be on the guy's shoelaces.
The right place might be his back shoulder when he's
running full speed, to in his front shoulder being the
right side of his body. Accuracy, to me is always
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dependent upon where the defense is and what you're trying
to get the receiver to do. So where I think
his sixty one percent completion percentage comes from is more
so the fact that he is willing to take more
chances to have big plays occur, which drives down his
completion percentage. Do you want a guy that's going to
be a checkdown Charlie. Do you want a guy that
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is not going to take those risks deep down the
field because he's afraid to make mistakes. I don't think
that's who Caleb Williams is. I think he's aggressive by nature,
and what Ben Johnson has been able to accomplish with
him is eliminate those negative plays that I heard you
talking about earlier on this show. I think their relationship
is perfect because what Caleb gives him. You mentioned this
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about Jared Golf. Jared, if it's there and you scheme
it up, he's going to hit it. Caleb gives you
the ability that when you get into the playoffs, it's
no longer about just the exes and the ods.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
It's about the jimmies and the Joe's, and.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
Caleb Williams is one of those Jimmies and Joe's that
is going to make a play that is going to
make your jaw hit the ground and you need that
at the quarterback position. And I think they just have
that perfect match of Okay, let me get into my
WUSAU moments and make sure I do what I need
to do, and then when it's time to be superman,
Caleb Williams can do that as well.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
All Right, A couple of college questions, because you're so
good at this, I said, I said, if you don't
have regulations, then aggressive people on Wall Street, in Silicon
Valley or in college football are going to be aggressive.
In the NFL, I can't go poach Andy Reider, Sean Payton,
weak pet, but encourage in college I can. And LSU
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didn't give a rip about Ole Miss. If you don't
have if you don't have stipulations, regulations or roadblocks, I'm
just going to go buy your coach. I don't blame
the individual, I blame the sport or Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Is their loyalty? Am I being? You know?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I don't. I don't want to be Pollyanna about it,
but it's like I I just think in life, smart
aggressive people, if you don't have regulations, are going to
be aggressive.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
And I'm not gonna blame Lane.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
How do you view it? No, I think you're one
hundred percent right there, Colin.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
It's loyalty comes into effect in college football when the
price is similar.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Okay, if all misses.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Coming to lang Kiffin saying hey, you've done a great
job here, You've built this program back up, We're a
national title contender year after year.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Now with you being at the Helm, and we're going
to offer.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
You eighty five million dollars to be our coach, well,
then I think Lane Kiffin would be an idiot to
leave and go to LSU or go to Florida. But
if they're saying, hey, here's ninety million dollars over here
at another school and the school you're currently at is
going to give you sixty, yeah, there's no loyalty there.
And I think anyone that is claiming that they would
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take the sixty over the ninety is lying to you
and you should never trust them in anything. So I
understand what Lane Kiffin's history that people say, oh, well,
he's done this. He did this with the Raiders, he
did that over at Alabama, did this at Tennessee, at USC,
whatever it may be. But in this situation, if ole
Miss isn't going to match with the other schools they're
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willing to pay him, or at least get close within
a couple million, then he should leave. And he would
be right to do that by his family, because although
it might be more risky to go to LSU and
more risky to potentially go to Florida, if they're going
to pay him significantly more, he knows, Hey, man, if
they fired me in four years because of the buyouts,
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I'm going to the bank with ninety million dollars, I
might never have to coach ever again in my life,
and I can take care of my family.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
So I think that part of it. He is a
human being.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
He has a family to take care of, and he
has to look out in the best interests of his family,
especially when the dollars don't match.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Okay, finally, it's not that USC lost. Winning at Otson
is really hard. Buckeye's lost there last year. After the loss,
Lincoln Riley says, oh, we're close, and I'm like, timeout,
twenty seven carries fifty two yards. If Kirby's smart had
a team that ran for fifty two yards on twenty
seven carries, he would be furious. He would be outraged.
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I mean, it would be laps on the track after
the game. And my take is this whole thing about
we're close. You got whacked at Notre Dame, you got
whacked at Oregon. I mean a couple of years ago,
whacked at Michigan. You gotta beat Illinois. I think it's
the mindset four years in in big games against the
best teams, Penn State, doesn't matter where it's at Notre Dame, Michigan.
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Last year, Illinois Oregon, you can't make stops and your
special teams are a wreck. Yeah, I mean that it's
not that you lose so or Oregon didn't play well.
Hey mean, Oregon had it in the first happening like
seven penalties, Oregon was missing three receivers. I just think
to myself, nobody wants to hear that. You gotta understand,
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this is when Pete was here. There was no NFL.
It was next to the Lakers. It's the biggest show
in town. Correct, So how what do you take from well,
we're close, How does.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
That land for you?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Well, Conn, I do think they are close, And the
thing is what you just brought up is probably the
thing that's weighing heaviest.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
On Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
They brought him in to bring back the show, and
in order for the show to really be there, you
have to win the big games on the field. No
one cares if you beat Northwestern, right, they care if
you can beat Oregon. And I think what this team
has been going through over the last couple of seasons
is adjusting to playing in the Big Ten. Even though
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I know Oregon is an old Pac twelve opponent and
an old Pac twelve rivalry, They're adjusting their style of
play to having to play against the bigger, medior offense
and defensive lines that they're facing in the Big Ten.
And when I say yes, they are close, they have
the quarterback. They're down there starting two running backs. King
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Miller is a great story, but he wasn't their starter
going into the season. For a reason. It's because way Moo,
Jordan and Sanders and Elis Sanders were better running backs.
So I don't look at this to make excuses for
Lincoln I do think Lincoln Riley is a great coach.
I think that him leaving Oklahoma the way that he
did rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I
think he is feeling that pressure, knowing that he's on
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a ten year deal and they haven't gotten to where they.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Need to be quite yet. I do think they there.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
I think his answers in the media are to not
add more pressure and more backlash to what he's already
receiving from the media itself. So he has to be
confident and he has to say I think we're close.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Otherwise, if he gives up.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Then everyone's really gonna start calling for him to get fired,
more so than they already are.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I know nobody wants to throw it out there. I
think Ohio State is gonna bury Michigan this weekend in
an arbory.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
I think they.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Bury him.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
You think they're gonna bury him.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I think this defense you have to go back about.
Maybe the Jalen Carter Georgia defense. Maybe one of Knicks.
I'm telling you, linebacker secondary, the windows are tiny. It's
a freshman quarterback. I'm with you, and I like him.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
He is nineteen.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I can't say I'm with you that they're gonna bury them.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
I do think the fact that Michigan is one of
the last four meetings does mean something. I think when
you have this rivalry, the records go out the window,
and there's two big factors. One how healthy is Jeremiah
Smith and Carnell Take going to be if they play
in this game?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Because if they don't play, I think.
Speaker 7 (37:13):
That that's not just a big factor, it's it's also
gonna hurt the defense because this defense is extremely talented.
But the one thing you can never truly account for
is Underwood and his ability to make extended plays. Every
defensive coordinator when they face a guy that can make
plays with his arm and his legs, stay up all
night about it. So that to me are the two
(37:34):
biggest factors. How are they going to keep him bottled up?
And then are they going to have their full arsenal
weapons on the offensive side. This is a really great
game to watch because of the magnitude of it, and
I believe this Colin. If Michigan beats Ohio State, I
think the Big Ten gets four teams, four teams into
the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Who I know that's a one way in the show
is you're.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Saying it like you gave it a big old possibility, that.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
It's always a possibility.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
And listen, I got no bias, I got no dog
in the fight when it comes.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
To who who are you more loyal to Ohio.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
State or Michigan. I just know that this game means everything.
And we've seen Michigan beat Ohio State when they weren't
very good. So now Michigan has clawed their way back
into the at least somewhat of a conversation of having
a chance to make the College Fotball Playoff. This is
their super Bowl, and if they win it, I think
they get in.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Robert, always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Appreciate you, brother,
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